**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 06 02:59:58 2011 May 06 03:19:03 GOP debate candidates endorsing drug legalization and military non-interventionism on a national debate. These are exciting times. May 06 06:25:51 it would be very important for me to open a pdf now May 06 06:26:20 but the built-in pdf viewer will say "not enough memory to open document" for all pdfs May 06 06:26:27 could anyone help? May 06 06:27:22 tried with evince, but that opens them crappily May 06 08:26:24 i got an out of pizza error May 06 08:31:30 pupnik_: as long it's no entirely out of food error May 06 08:34:18 :D May 06 08:34:28 my wall-of-ramen is till there May 06 08:34:40 OUT OF CHEESE ERROR. REDO FROM START. May 06 08:35:06 been out of cheese since march May 06 08:41:28 * phryk has cheese but his box-o-ramen is empty… May 06 08:43:10 i bought 13 different varieties and found an awesome one May 06 08:43:32 vifon - Mi Lau Thai (huong vi tom) May 06 08:44:17 really good, with lemon grass, tapioca, roasted onions May 06 08:44:52 actually I got a still no breakfast error :D May 06 08:44:57 gotta fix that asap May 06 08:45:58 lunch time :D May 06 08:54:10 Cor-Ai: that's going to be soon too :D May 06 08:54:28 haha May 06 08:54:52 I was only a lil late for breakfast :P May 06 08:55:14 lunch, breakfast, same shit different name! :p May 06 08:56:12 I guess that depends on where you life .) May 06 08:56:46 in my case it's 2 completely different things :D May 06 08:57:33 haha May 06 08:57:55 breakfast at 05, lunch 10 dinner 17 :D May 06 08:58:27 breakfast anywhere between 08 and 13, lunch somewhere 13 to 15 May 06 08:58:31 and dinner 20+ May 06 08:58:32 :D May 06 08:59:02 lol! you youngsters! no rutin! :p May 06 09:00:58 ohh a little frenchboy :D May 06 09:01:57 what where? May 06 09:03:08 you! :D May 06 09:03:18 what? :D May 06 09:03:33 notihng... me stupid... May 06 09:04:05 nothing* May 06 09:04:05 as long as you're ready to admit it ;) May 06 09:04:30 haha why wouldn't I? :D May 06 09:04:57 X-Fade: ping May 06 09:51:41 OMG! qml map api with qt mobility 1.2! It's it's it's awesome! May 06 09:54:54 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/06/apple_arm_laptops/ <-- hmm May 06 10:03:13 hey May 06 10:03:19 morning May 06 10:03:26 morning :) May 06 10:03:28 anyone here reading the -community list? May 06 10:05:06 lardman: I don't, why do you ask? May 06 10:05:23 Just wondering who Cosimo Kroll is May 06 10:05:56 and whether he has links to Nokia in any way, as he was hinting about the new device being released soon, and I was wondering if he knows what he's talking about May 06 10:06:01 I recall his nick from TMO May 06 10:06:29 what did he write? can you post a link to the mailing list archive? May 06 10:06:50 yeah let me find a link, I'm subscribed May 06 10:07:09 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/ May 06 10:07:12 this morning's thread May 06 10:07:29 thx, I'll look at it May 06 10:08:05 lardman: zehjotkah May 06 10:08:21 lardman: He's working/sub-contracting for Intel at the moment, I think May 06 10:08:43 so he probably doesn't know what he's talking about then? May 06 10:09:33 lardman: spreading MeeGo-related "News"/FUD is a popular thing nowadays May 06 10:09:41 lardman: He's doing a lot of teasing and leading questions on Twitter about how fantastic the Intel-based products are going to be. May 06 10:10:09 I hope their price is going to be fantastic too... :P May 06 10:10:19 hmm, I had hoped simply that he had dropped a hint that Nokia were going to do something in the near future, but apparently not May 06 10:10:40 lardman: Is there a way to get mbarcode to simply output recognised barcodes to a file - fsynced so it's up-to-date, or output on dbus - I'm trying to avoid writing a plugin. May 06 10:10:40 who cares about Nokia? May 06 10:10:41 Jaffa: yeah well fantastic and Intel, where batteries are involved, don't currently go hand in hand, so we'll see May 06 10:10:42 intel'll do better May 06 10:11:12 hahahaha May 06 10:11:15 lardman: I downloaded the 'oak trail' datasheet. It looks quite interesting low-power wise. May 06 10:11:22 intel is still trapped in the x86 land... May 06 10:11:25 this the 3D thing? May 06 10:11:29 lardman: no. May 06 10:11:30 lardman: that's what they've been working on for the past x years. they'll get it right. May 06 10:11:31 3D etching May 06 10:11:43 ruskie: Well, at least it'll mean being able to play old x86 games natively... May 06 10:11:43 lardman: It's the new 'we can do low-power x86, really' chipset. May 06 10:11:56 I'd be quite happy with Intel, as long as the form factor is right and it will last the day May 06 10:11:59 robbiethe1st, cause that worked so well from 386 -> latest cpus... May 06 10:12:02 lardman: It even has the display directly connected to the CPU! May 06 10:12:11 lardman: Though not anything else much. May 06 10:12:16 :) May 06 10:12:26 ruskie: Uh, yes. Thanks to Wine or Dosbox, I can play loads of old games. May 06 10:12:51 Also - intel not being able to do mobile is bullshit. May 06 10:12:52 so basically what you need is an x86 emulator... May 06 10:13:05 I have a portable x86 device trhat uses 4 AA cells, and gets 12h battery life. May 06 10:13:14 (garmin GPS-12, 386ex) May 06 10:13:23 b&w lcd screen? May 06 10:13:32 greyscale even May 06 10:13:34 I was at one point contemplating porting linux to it, but I got sane. May 06 10:13:36 B+W May 06 10:13:38 ruskie: Sort of; though our arm processor simply doesn't have enough power to emulate x86 at a decent rate... May 06 10:13:44 64*64 pixels? May 06 10:14:04 ruskie: And, of course, dosbox will do "light" emulation on a true x86 proc, so... that'd be nice. May 06 10:14:12 in which case the display power draw is very low, so only 12h from the thing isn't so great May 06 10:14:35 lardman: Sure - I wasn't being completely serious. 386ex will struggle running firefox. :) May 06 10:14:53 :) May 06 10:15:09 lardman: Just need bigger batteries! :D May 06 10:15:12 12h isn't a good use case for me May 06 10:15:20 robbiethe1st: lol May 06 10:16:00 I'd be really happy if someone came up with a decent dual-battery model(tablet, probably), so you could hotswap the battery without shutting down or even stopping. May 06 10:16:07 2 seconds and you've got hours more life. May 06 10:16:48 robbiethe1st: You can in principle do that with the n900, with the right software, and plugged into a USB charger. So you'd need 3 batteries. May 06 10:17:28 SpeedEvil, I thought the n900 power goes through the battery... irrelevant of the usb port having power... May 06 10:17:49 SpeedEvil, why would you need 3 batteries? May 06 10:17:52 Ruskie: Yes, but the charger /can/ power the cpu in one mode May 06 10:18:07 SpeedEvil, ah right, to hold charge while changeing May 06 10:18:09 Yes, but it's that second bit that's the problem; you basically have to "standby" things, as well as having a usb port handy. May 06 10:19:12 Indeed - hence the 'software' comment May 06 10:19:37 If you had a second small battery(something larger than the clock battery), it might be possible - flip the screen off, pull the battery out, and stick a new one in. easy. It'd be even easier if such a device had the backplate being part of the battery like old Nokia dumbphones May 06 10:20:09 SpeedEvil: Which means(among other things), shutting down a game or w/e that's taking loads of power. Very sub-optimal. Oh well May 06 10:20:21 It doesn't actually. May 06 10:20:32 It means - sort-of - suspending to RAM May 06 10:20:39 And then coming back again May 06 10:20:46 It does mean offlining the modem. May 06 10:22:22 You get what I mean, though, right? May 06 10:22:37 Well - it's not really sub-optimal. May 06 10:22:59 Seriously? Having to have a usb port or charger handy isn't sub optimal? May 06 10:23:07 If you have the software right - it does rthis when the battery cover is opened - before you can get to the battery - when it's gor power from USB, and then you plug in the other batery May 06 10:23:12 I mean - yes - other than that May 06 10:23:20 Also - I was planning a mini charger May 06 10:23:30 Keyring May 06 10:23:39 Maby. May 06 10:25:38 why is MyDocs read-only on my system? May 06 10:25:46 fs issue maybe? May 06 10:25:51 maybe check dmesg May 06 10:26:46 ah, there is indeed some stuff there May 06 10:27:12 Umount it, run fsck, remount it May 06 10:27:18 any idea? fat_bmap_cluster: request beyond EOF (i_pos 19709960) May 06 10:27:53 robbiethe1st: is ordinary umount / mount using fstab OK? May 06 10:28:20 Uh, sure. May 06 10:29:02 only asking because a bunch of "normal" linux stuff behaves oddly May 06 10:31:15 huh, two files sharing clusters. how does that happen? May 06 10:36:00 No clue May 06 10:36:30 Filesystem corruption. May 06 10:37:44 Filename record getting written, then FART not updated, so file header points to allocated block, or FAT getting updated, and power removed before FAT is fully updated. May 06 10:39:09 not sure what FART is, but does that basically mean poweroff (or USB disconnection) before proper sync? May 06 10:40:17 well, on the plus side i now know that my application will tell the user nicely if it can't save... May 06 10:42:21 FAT May 06 10:42:26 BCMM: probably May 06 10:44:19 fixed, thanks May 06 10:50:24 ~ping May 06 10:50:24 ~pong May 06 10:50:27 eh... my N900 is lying to me May 06 10:50:41 "No recent calls" - an obvious lie May 06 10:59:04 Venemo_N900: date wrong? May 06 11:00:18 what are the criteria for calls to show in the phone app anyway? May 06 11:07:50 FART looks about right May 06 11:08:13 ~fart May 06 11:08:14 * infobot farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" May 06 11:09:11 infobot: idiot! Sulfur dioxide??? May 06 11:20:10 how can one temporarily disable the possibility to close a QDialog on maemo5? May 06 11:20:44 dominikb: umm? May 06 11:22:24 dominikb, override its closeEvent() and ignore the event May 06 11:22:44 Venemo_N900: i am opening a QDialog which allows to fetch updates. while these updates are running the user shall no be able to close the dialog. May 06 11:22:51 mind you, that's a bad UI thing, besides the incoming call dialog May 06 11:22:56 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/06/3g_connection_from_top_of_mount_everest/ May 06 11:22:57 dominikb: http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/q-extras/q-extras/qeunclosablemessagebox.h May 06 11:23:04 dominikb: http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/q-extras/q-extras/qeunclosablemessagebox.cpp May 06 11:23:23 dominikb, see http://gitorious.org/slide2answer May 06 11:23:57 be sure the dialog is parented, otherwise the user can't do anything to see other windows May 06 11:24:18 indeed May 06 11:25:07 Venemo_N900, MohammadAG: thanks a lot for your help! May 06 11:33:59 http://www.raspberrypi.org/ cool tiny computer May 06 11:34:53 saw that earlier May 06 11:35:04 would certainly buy a few if they become available May 06 11:36:08 I emailed them saying what I'd use it for May 06 11:36:11 pupnik_: that is ADORABLE May 06 11:36:46 i have ideas too May 06 11:36:58 the specs aren't at all bad either... May 06 11:37:14 wonder about the camera module May 06 11:38:46 hello everyone May 06 11:39:21 does anyone know when will be the release of NOkia N8 PR 2.0 May 06 11:39:35 nokia does May 06 11:39:49 but when itwill be? May 06 11:40:19 my friend, do you know where i can ask for help to look for firmware 2.0 May 06 11:40:23 for nokia May 06 11:40:24 what'll be special about a new n8? Even worse user interface? May 06 11:41:03 my friend, i want to know if nokia's will going to release the firmware 2.0 May 06 11:41:23 ray27mon: is that linux based? I thought that'd be symbian May 06 11:41:25 QtM1.2 is sweet! May 06 11:42:43 yes my friend..is not linux May 06 11:42:44 whoever updated dosbox thanks May 06 11:42:46 it is sympbian May 06 11:42:53 symbian May 06 11:43:00 ray27mon, then why are you in here? May 06 11:43:08 this has nothing to do with nokia really May 06 11:43:23 maemo does May 06 11:43:29 not anymore ;) May 06 11:43:30 symbian? Symbian?! THIS - IS - MAEMO! *kicks ray27mon down a well* May 06 11:43:44 oh my May 06 11:43:47 :D May 06 11:43:47 im sorry guys May 06 11:44:02 ray27mon, no problem :) anyway, no idea when "anna" is out. May 06 11:44:12 ahh okies May 06 11:44:16 thanks for info. May 06 11:44:48 doh, he left. I was just about to give him some actual info. May 06 11:44:49 oh well. May 06 11:49:25 \o/ sybian May 06 11:49:48 drive-by askers, I *love* those May 06 11:50:04 well, he's been definitely in wrong channel anyway May 06 11:50:51 * DocScrutinizer wonders what in #channel or /topic makes people join here and ask about N8 May 06 11:52:24 DocScrutinizer: "Oh, I have a vague memory that had something to do with Nokia. They *must* know everything about my question!" May 06 11:53:11 well, given the enormous population in #nokia it isn't completely weird a thinking May 06 11:59:09 does #nokia even exist? May 06 12:01:42 MohammadAG: sure May 06 12:01:44 :-D May 06 12:04:49 yo Venemo May 06 12:06:02 Now I am the only population in Nokia May 06 12:06:38 see? you scared all the other users out of that great channel ;-P May 06 12:11:37 yo DocScrutinizer May 06 12:13:39 DocScrutinizer, what's up? May 06 12:14:01 [13:34] I emailed them saying what I'd use it for -> any what is that then? May 06 12:21:36 Making mapping apps with pure qml! So sweet! May 06 12:22:10 wut? May 06 12:22:39 QtMobile 1.2 May 06 12:22:52 I made a 140 chracter howto :) http://twitter.com/mece66/status/66465259262713856 May 06 12:24:54 mean you can make apps with maps and location based stuff in pure qml May 06 12:25:01 s/mean/means/ May 06 12:25:02 mece meant: means you can make apps with maps and location based stuff in pure qml May 06 12:38:18 mhm May 06 12:39:40 mece, nice May 06 12:40:36 Venemo: just saying hi May 06 12:42:51 :) May 06 12:42:59 DocScrutinizer, I did a new puzzle-master release May 06 12:43:18 DocScrutinizer, just in case you (or your "tester" :P) wanna give it a try May 06 12:43:37 * DocScrutinizer curses Qt. The missing hotkeys to set focus to a treeview selector (like e.g. in Konversation - config_screen left side) and the idiocy you can only toggle checkboxes but not SET or CLEAR them May 06 12:45:21 DocScrutinizer, sure you can May 06 12:45:30 Venemo: I already updated yesterday, but haven't tested yet May 06 12:45:43 Venemo: how? May 06 12:46:04 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qcheckbox.html#setCheckState May 06 12:46:33 meh, I meant user, not code May 06 12:46:35 dunno about tree views (haven't used them in qt yet) May 06 12:46:41 aah. well, idunno May 06 12:46:54 hotkeys to be precise May 06 12:47:06 no way to automatise things May 06 12:47:41 as you got no defined origin, so you can't guarantee what any sequence of hotkeys will really do May 06 12:47:51 mhm May 06 12:48:04 unless you actually look at the screen May 06 12:48:43 I can jump to a checkbox, I can *toggle* it by spacebar, but I have no way to define a hotkey sequence that definitely SETS a checkmark May 06 12:49:28 same for friggin treeviews, like in KDE systemsettings, or Konversation, or whatever May 06 12:49:46 well, maybe it would worth a feature request May 06 12:49:46 you can't select the needed "tab" May 06 12:49:56 yeah, definitely May 06 12:50:22 I think that noone though about this kind of use case. May 06 12:50:42 I usually use the mouse on GUIs (sometimes spacebar to toggle), so it never occoured to me either May 06 12:50:43 NB you actually CAN navigate in a treeview once focus is set, but there's no hotkey to set focus May 06 12:51:02 can't you tab-select the tree view? May 06 12:51:23 sure, IF I knew where my focus is right now ;-P May 06 12:51:43 hehe May 06 12:51:50 well then, just use the mouse May 06 12:52:19 khotkeys knows no shit about mouse May 06 12:53:39 khotkeys? May 06 12:53:39 and even if it did, there's still the toggle checkmark problem May 06 12:53:57 wut's khotkeys? May 06 12:54:17 umm, a component of KDE settings? May 06 12:54:37 mhm May 06 12:56:52 usecase example: I often need to switch on/off the Konversation "hide join/part/nick events" option. There's definitely no other way than use the mouse and ~6 clicks to do this May 06 12:57:17 why do you need to switch it? May 06 12:57:32 or, why don't you ask Konversation devs to make a shortcut for this? May 06 12:57:39 it is trivial to make a shortcut in Qt May 06 12:57:41 becuase I usually don't want those rubbish lines spam my IRC May 06 12:58:02 I know it's trivial to make a shortcut May 06 12:58:23 the anoying thing is there's no generic way May 06 12:58:34 there is a class named QShortcut May 06 12:58:57 anyway, you could head on to #konversation and ask for this - they are pretty friendly fellows there May 06 12:59:10 or use another irc client May 06 12:59:16 as this is a) hidden behind a treeview to select a subscreen from settings, and b) there's no set/clear key for checkboxes May 06 12:59:45 Venemo: I already did and they even offered to make an interim version just for me May 06 13:00:02 but I think this is a flaw in Qt GUI specs May 06 13:00:25 so, take their offer May 06 13:00:35 then open an enhancement request at Qt's bugzilla May 06 13:00:46 now we're talking May 06 13:01:10 exactly, pester Qt bugzilla May 06 13:01:50 once there has even been a generic scripting language and API to Qt May 06 13:02:57 alas discontinued before I noticed the existence May 06 13:03:08 l8r o/ May 06 13:04:49 :) May 06 13:04:55 anyway, I'm gonna take a nap now May 06 13:04:58 can u recommend some email client for n900, gmail acc ? May 06 13:04:58 pupnik_: on wow, just saw that mini-computer thing on slashdot. it's fantastically cheap... May 06 13:05:00 will be back later :) May 06 13:06:17 Juozapas: i use webmail May 06 13:06:30 since 1998 i don't bother with mail clients May 06 13:07:12 that's one of the few obvious things that belongs online imo May 06 13:13:17 pupnik_, paul kicked ass during the debate last night. May 06 13:13:25 Gary Johnson looked good, too. May 06 13:15:14 oh i totally missed that May 06 13:15:28 but they were both in the debate? that's great :D May 06 13:15:57 i think it's gonna be hard for repubs to ignore the message as much this time May 06 13:19:43 Unfortunately Hannity came on after with a Frank Luntz Patented Stacked Focus Group May 06 13:19:50 is there any way to show the phone number in terminal? May 06 13:19:55 Totally different takeaway. May 06 13:20:02 They lurv the statist assholes! May 06 13:20:51 pupnik_, they had a series of questions bringing up past gaffes for each candidate. May 06 13:21:30 Paul got to field one on him be against laws against prostitution and drugs. May 06 13:21:54 He went radical libertarian on it and didn't try to pander to socons like he did in 08. May 06 13:24:18 woohoo May 06 13:28:48 Something along the lines of: "Come on, if heroin were legalized today, how many of you would start using it just because the government says it's legal." May 06 13:29:04 When asked the "Oh nooo, drugzzzz!" follow up May 06 13:29:26 pupnik_, reason.com's blog has an excellent snarky summary. May 06 13:33:23 latest blogpost 'Two Heads Are Better Than One' sums up my view quite well May 06 13:42:34 Double the trouble, triple the fun? May 06 13:51:17 derf, I hope so. May 06 13:52:12 HELO ladies and gentlemen May 06 13:52:51 Why are you discussing such sad libertarian topics, when ayatollas just delivered the latest batch of lulz? =) May 06 13:54:58 I was discussing terrible 80's music. May 06 13:55:04 s/terrible/awesome/ May 06 13:55:05 derf meant: I was discussing awesome 80's music. May 06 14:05:29 derf: does not sound all that bad nowadays, when the new benchmarks or "terrible" are available =) May 06 14:05:30 RST38h, I had about 5 minutes of optimism last night. Don't bring me down. :P May 06 14:06:01 It's bad when South Park covers of modern music sound better than the originals. May 06 14:06:21 GAN900: Here, have fun: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/05/ahmadinejad-allies-charged-with-sorcery May 06 14:06:35 Goddamn wizards May 06 14:58:03 is there any way to show the phone number in terminal? May 06 14:59:50 bye chaps May 06 15:15:33 Natanaiel: which phone number? You can show arbitrary phonenumbers in terminal by `echo 00190045634523` May 06 15:33:03 DocScrutinizer: no, I mean the phone number of SIM card that the phone uses! May 06 15:36:08 not all SIMs do actually have that afaik May 06 15:36:35 Jaffa, ping? May 06 15:36:39 DocScrutinizer: What is you employed as? May 06 15:36:52 there's some AT comand to send to modem via pnatd, to get that number if there's any (might also be up to 4) May 06 15:37:18 lolcat: your entertainer? May 06 15:37:40 DocScrutinizer: I dont think so. I am just curious May 06 15:47:27 well, I'm a freelancer looking for a new intriguing task/contract May 06 15:49:04 lolcat: now you're any wiser? May 06 15:50:08 DocScrutinizer: Yes, yes I am May 06 15:50:18 How much would the fee to eliminate to persons be? May 06 15:50:50 duh, that's not one of my main professional domains May 06 15:51:08 two* May 06 15:51:24 though some might think I'm looking like that May 06 15:52:01 My neighboer is so annoying May 06 15:54:44 I'm used to apply more subtle methods for such cases May 06 15:57:21 I am not sure I follow May 06 15:57:26 Poison? May 06 15:59:07 Drive them insaaaaaneee May 06 15:59:10 Natanaiel: -->> May 06 15:59:33 bash-3.2$ pnatd May 06 15:59:35 AT+CNUM May 06 15:59:37 +CNUM: ,"+49179609****",145 May 06 15:59:38 +CNUM: ,"0000000",129 May 06 15:59:39 OK May 06 16:00:20 and for god's sake somebody tell me how to kill that friggin pnatd May 06 16:00:28 tnx DocScrutinizer May 06 16:01:16 killall pnatd May 06 16:01:55 IroN900:~# killall pnatd May 06 16:02:06 meh, been aware of THAT May 06 16:02:11 thanks anyway May 06 16:02:29 a ~. works as well May 06 16:02:42 (on ssh) May 06 16:03:31 friggin pnatd however seems to be ignorant even about ETX May 06 16:03:40 errr EOF May 06 16:03:55 ^D May 06 16:03:57 whatever May 06 16:04:19 probably they need that property for transparent data May 06 16:04:38 but it's soooooooo annoying May 06 16:05:27 AT%POFF ;-P May 06 16:06:33 lolcat: see? GAN900 is more on my wavelength May 06 16:07:03 GAN900: How do I become worse than them? I'd have to shit on the floor, and piss in their food May 06 16:08:05 If I am worse than them, Id get evicted May 06 16:09:01 order 10 metric tons of instant concrete at next supply shop. Fill their apartment, by opening a window and tagging it with "fill in here please, throw invoice in letterbox" May 06 16:09:32 http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/06/qt-creator-2-2-released May 06 16:09:33 time seems to go by faster because your brain changes less quickly May 06 16:09:35 woo May 06 16:10:15 DocScrutinizer: That won't work in most construction May 06 16:10:26 DocScrutinizer: the concrete hydrostatic pressure will blow out the walls May 06 16:10:39 there's a zillion similar "pranks" May 06 16:10:39 GAN900: pong May 06 16:11:18 Bah May 06 16:11:22 Was going to suggest: May 06 16:11:22 which I'm not going to discuss here and now May 06 16:11:51 achipa: Would be really good to see some docs about using that with Nokia Qt SDK and/or MeeGo SDK to a) not have too much installed; b) target Symbian, Maemo & MeeGo from one IDE May 06 16:12:13 lo Jaffa May 06 16:12:29 Actually, it seems the "Maemo target" in Qt Creator 2.2 can target MeeGo :-) May 06 16:12:45 As well as autobuilder tarballs (which I'd read before) May 06 16:12:46 'lo DocScrutinizer May 06 16:12:49 well. moo. May 06 16:13:20 (maemo target can meego) it damn better does. It's the suggested migration path after all May 06 16:15:16 and my suggestion from beginning been to test this particular property of the whole meego SDK/IDE from day one, so we won't lose the maemo folks on meego while the migration path is bitrotting May 06 16:19:06 from a maemo POV the sourcecode and building compatibility maemo->meego for at least plain Qt based sourcecode is the most important property of whole meego project. Alas after meego folks convinced enough of maemo folks, that migration path requirement silently banished in oblivion May 06 16:20:03 my uneducated 2 cents May 06 16:20:38 no, notreally :) May 06 16:23:30 yesterday I' ve read somewhere here that meego is 95% moblin and 2% maemo (3% random noise), and so isn't really what maemo community expected meego to be May 06 16:24:53 Jaffa, looking to organize a dinner Sunday night as a segway into dragooning for mwkn. May 06 16:25:29 I'd love to compile for Symbian from Linux May 06 16:25:48 meh May 06 16:26:09 (or to get some people together for a nice dinner) May 06 16:27:10 Jaffa, slightly related, Will you have a US number? May 06 16:29:21 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/06/q1_smartphone_sales_europe_world/ <_- fun... May 06 16:32:54 GAN900: No, will probably still use my UK number. May 06 16:33:05 GAN900: Actually, I'll have my Blackberry with me a lot too so work can pay ;-) May 06 16:34:04 ruskie: predictable May 06 16:34:06 Well, you could argue maemo is 95% debian :-) May 06 16:34:19 ShadowJK: Which is just fine May 06 16:34:45 No, Mohammad, you will still have to have your WinXP for Symbian compilation =) May 06 16:35:36 Or use the Remote Compiler May 06 16:35:40 Which isn't *too* bad May 06 16:35:46 (better than a VM) May 06 16:36:05 Would be cool if someone made a hack which used an instance of the SDK running in a VM be invoked from my Linux one May 06 16:36:20 MohammadAG: There's also the stuff people have done to get the SDK running in gnupoc May 06 16:36:42 MohammadAG: http://tourschall.com/2011/02/compiling-qt-mobility-apps-for-symbian-on-linux May 06 16:39:56 hi, anyone use these guy's firmware to jailbreak the ps3? http://www.ps3tuts.com/cfw360test.html May 06 16:43:13 as far as pop memes go, unrecognizable anime ponies isn't the worst imaginable May 06 16:44:05 ponies are notproper anime afaik May 06 16:45:30 hmm, #meego* is lame, so here: is GPRS on N900 meego working? May 06 16:48:47 I get a compile error for navit for maemo5. Can anybody check http://pastebin.ca/2054618 ? Am I doing something obviously wrong? May 06 16:50:35 Jaffa, I don't think I could compile libraries then use them for compilation May 06 16:50:36 Can I get more details on "skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libQtDeclarative.so when searching for -lQtDeclarative"? May 06 16:52:10 rd, file /usr/lib/libQtDeclarative.so.?.?.? May 06 16:52:13 and paste the output May 06 16:52:15 Hmm....I get an armel library in x86 configuration. May 06 16:52:20 [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/20110506/navit-0.2.0+dfsg.1] > file /opt/lib/libQtDeclarative.so.4.7.0 May 06 16:52:21 /opt/lib/libQtDeclarative.so.4.7.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped May 06 16:52:23 [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/20110506/navit-0.2.0+dfsg.1] > May 06 16:54:55 http://pastebin.ca/2054622 May 06 16:55:27 From package management it clearly looks like it should be x86 (?). May 06 16:59:35 apt-get remove libqt4-declarative and apt-get install libqt4-declarative solved the problem. May 06 16:59:53 Now I am wondering, if I missed something.... May 06 17:00:51 ....I always thought I can switch with "sb-conf select FREMANTLE_X86|FREMANTLE_ARMEL" between the two architectures. May 06 17:01:15 But not it seems that I see armel libraries inside x86, is that expected? May 06 17:08:34 evening,wazd May 06 17:26:41 rd, no, it's not May 06 17:26:56 switching should switch targets, and libraries live in two different targets for each arch May 06 17:51:36 hm .. wonder if it's possible to make the N900 stop popping up with "mass storage/pc suite" selector when inserting the usb cable from the computer... 19 out of 20 times I just use it to charge it... May 06 17:55:48 haj: yes thats possible May 06 17:56:11 one of the tweak apps, i forgot which one can do that May 06 17:56:21 at least i disabled it for me :) May 06 17:57:18 ah i think 'powatool' is it May 06 17:58:02 @MohammadAG: Do you plan to upgrade the kernel power source package to v47? May 06 17:58:22 NIN101, don't have time atm :/ May 06 17:58:30 hm, ok. May 06 18:03:06 cehteh: hmm .. i can't really see an option for that in powatool.. May 06 18:03:17 cehteh: what would it be called? May 06 18:05:26 cehteh: ah.. i can remove the status applet.. but then i can't make it go to mass storage when i need it ;) May 06 18:05:38 one of the usb things .. try it out "USB sync" or so May 06 18:05:46 mhm May 06 18:06:06 well i dont use usb sync at all and turned it entirely off May 06 18:06:58 but iirc some time ago i configured it only not to nag automatically but still be able to manually switch it May 06 18:07:42 try disabling 'sync plugin' May 06 18:10:58 Just did.. didn't do any different.. May 06 18:13:52 well dunno you have to play a bit around May 06 18:14:22 i once configured that but i cant remmeber how exactly May 06 18:14:29 could also systemui.conf May 06 18:16:09 calvaris: it is the usb status bar that does the popup.. May 06 18:19:23 cehteh: even May 06 18:47:57 Scientists Afflict Computers With Schizophrenia! May 06 18:49:42 Anybody home? May 06 18:54:04 Answer me! May 06 18:54:37 N900 or motorola xoom May 06 18:54:46 what would you choose?? May 06 18:55:38 ok im going May 06 18:55:52 :/ May 06 18:56:00 wow May 06 18:56:09 * Sicelo knows nothing of xoom.. but n900 any day May 06 18:56:17 my first indication this actuall works May 06 18:56:25 yesss n900 May 06 18:56:31 lol.. this your first time on irc? May 06 18:56:33 yesss n900! May 06 18:56:38 Yes lol May 06 18:56:48 ok. kewl May 06 18:56:58 I just downloaded Xchat off of extras dev May 06 18:57:11 one lesson you will soonest learn is that patience pays here May 06 18:57:19 :) May 06 18:57:28 lol you sound like a wise man.. May 06 18:57:34 you're on n900 atm? May 06 18:57:39 yup May 06 18:57:41 you? May 06 18:58:25 not wisdom :) but the thing is that people here are just contributing of their time freely... the only price you must be willing to pay is a bit of waiting time May 06 18:58:28 :) May 06 18:58:43 true true May 06 18:58:48 i have no N900, unfortunately.. but working towards getting myself one May 06 18:58:48 I can wait May 06 18:59:08 Kool May 06 18:59:31 why do you choose to buy one this 'late' May 06 18:59:34 user_, what is 'motorola xoom'? May 06 19:00:35 brb May 06 19:00:36 as far as i know, its the first decent tablet running honeycomb May 06 19:00:40 ok kool May 06 19:00:49 and what is your question? May 06 19:01:20 whatmisma ctcp version May 06 19:01:55 anyone here using Maemo Mapper? I am wondering if it can build a track that also includes time stamps. May 06 19:02:02 honeycomb looks like it could be good May 06 19:02:31 maemo mapper was so good on n810 May 06 19:12:13 people of maemo May 06 19:12:24 do you know what happens May 06 19:12:48 if you upload a source to the builder, it builds the source May 06 19:13:05 and then you try to find your package, find it May 06 19:13:08 get a link May 06 19:13:16 and - there's another maintainer May 06 19:13:24 it means there was a package with the same name May 06 19:13:56 ? May 06 19:14:10 what package May 06 19:14:15 i hadn't heard of this May 06 19:15:37 may be by any chance marcello mansueto is here? May 06 19:15:50 pupnik_: I've just uploaded file to the autobuilder May 06 19:15:54 it created the package May 06 19:16:01 lightmeter-1.0-1 May 06 19:16:13 but there were another package with the same name May 06 19:16:18 but doing different thing May 06 19:16:23 I just found it out May 06 19:16:32 Writing letter to the maintainer of the package May 06 19:16:39 will change the name of mine, obviously May 06 19:16:50 but... how to solve it quicker? May 06 19:17:26 rename and upload again? May 06 19:17:44 Of course May 06 19:17:54 But I am afraid for his project May 06 19:18:11 I hope mine wouldn't replace his in the repo May 06 19:18:11 you're already in wiki! May 06 19:18:13 how do you know it was built? May 06 19:18:17 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_light_meter May 06 19:18:28 minute May 06 19:18:37 http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ May 06 19:18:39 here May 06 19:18:43 On the right side May 06 19:18:56 I can see that just couple of minutes ago it was build May 06 19:19:02 built May 06 19:19:17 and if I click on the link name May 06 19:19:27 it may still reject the build May 06 19:19:28 it appears there's another project May 06 19:19:31 as in not import it May 06 19:19:39 I hope so. May 06 19:19:43 hmm May 06 19:19:45 no it wont May 06 19:19:51 you used higher version number May 06 19:19:55 yes May 06 19:19:59 Jaffa: we have a customer for you May 06 19:20:04 :) May 06 19:20:14 Jaffa: I was using your wiki explanations :) May 06 19:20:39 May it possible to find some maintainer of the whole repository? May 06 19:20:52 So he can delete the package, and I can upload it again with the different name May 06 19:20:56 yeah May 06 19:21:01 it's Jaffa May 06 19:21:03 wow May 06 19:21:05 nice :) May 06 19:21:16 Jaffa: hey May 06 19:21:34 thing is that if it get's importent May 06 19:21:36 imported* May 06 19:21:41 old version will be cleaned up May 06 19:22:18 norayr: download old source for that package May 06 19:22:29 norayr: and reupload it with never version number May 06 19:22:34 newer* May 06 19:22:34 okay May 06 19:22:49 that's option one May 06 19:22:56 option two wait for Jaffa May 06 19:23:10 but having copy of sources may help May 06 19:23:21 yes May 06 19:23:30 Jaffa would be the best solution May 06 19:23:48 because the package maintainer may not want to change the version number May 06 19:23:55 and then jaffa will be needed again May 06 19:29:38 ...In accordance with SCP-775 containment protocols, Overwatch has been notified of the restocking of the 'Selective Genocide' service... May 06 19:30:54 norayr, then you overwrote that package May 06 19:30:57 I wish blemaemo was fully supported May 06 19:31:11 and it'll be shown as an update to users of the old package May 06 19:31:18 X-Fade, ping May 06 19:32:05 also, I'm lagging like shit May 06 19:32:43 jacekowski, I think only X-Fade can change repo stuff May 06 19:32:44 Yeah, I see, I desperately need Jaffa May 06 19:36:26 can you transfer files on this thing? May 06 19:36:40 on n900? May 06 19:36:42 many ways May 06 19:37:00 nice May 06 19:37:24 i was just taght the ctcp command so... May 06 19:38:28 so how would one transfer say... a screemshot May 06 19:38:48 oh.. May 06 19:39:05 and i know many ways to send files using my n900 May 06 19:39:15 but, not on XCHAT May 06 19:40:00 norayr: then you need X-Fade May 06 19:40:27 X-Fade: I need you May 06 19:41:12 IHateHayfever: to send to an irc chatter, look up how to do a DCC SEND May 06 19:42:23 ok May 06 19:42:56 The browser in the HTC Desire seems smoother than with the N900 May 06 19:43:07 the sending client's firewall needs to open/forward a specific port for DCC May 06 19:46:13 When using an extra mmc card, is that also supported to be shared when using usb mass storage? May 06 19:46:29 s/supported/supposed/ May 06 19:46:30 Wizzup meant: When using an extra mmc card, is that also supposed to be shared when using usb mass storage? May 06 19:46:42 yes May 06 19:47:02 hm, I formatted it ext2 and it isn't shared ;_; May 06 19:47:08 Probably because of that May 06 19:47:18 It was shared if the main care was ``in use'' May 06 19:47:18 i think so May 06 19:47:23 so it does work May 06 19:47:29 It just doesn't export both at the same time May 06 19:48:00 main card? May 06 19:48:08 you shoved two cards into the n900? :) May 06 19:48:23 well, it has support for an extra one, right? May 06 19:48:29 I guess I should call it microsd May 06 19:48:36 that's the one I formatted to ext2 May 06 19:48:43 so mmcblck1 May 06 19:48:48 'extra' means what May 06 19:49:02 if you open the cover, there's room for an microsd card May 06 19:49:03 right? May 06 19:49:08 one, yes May 06 19:49:12 that's what I call extra May 06 19:49:24 extra implies a second one May 06 19:49:44 not in my book, extra because it isn't shipped with two, just one :) May 06 19:49:58 Aside from the miscommunication, it is supposed to advertise both? May 06 19:51:12 i found an eaisier way May 06 19:51:12 partitions from mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 should be visible from PC over usb, if i recall correctly May 06 19:51:16 :) May 06 19:51:28 you don't have to accept May 06 19:51:43 this x chat is pretty good May 06 19:51:52 okay, I'll try to write a private message to jaffa May 06 19:52:33 ok May 06 19:52:40 someone send me somthing May 06 19:52:45 anything May 06 19:52:49 im that bored May 06 19:53:08 how do i change my font to white.. or black May 06 19:55:18 jacekowski: is this that Jaffa? http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=15155 May 06 19:55:25 the right Jaffa May 06 19:55:48 oh sorry IHateHayfever - i missed your dcc send May 06 19:55:49 is the n950 really going to happen? May 06 19:55:56 thats kool May 06 19:56:05 just one of my desktops May 06 19:56:26 finaly got that htc widget May 06 19:58:48 im trying to download yours and upload mine but both are frozen... May 06 20:00:21 norayr, he'll reply here when he's on, no need to PM him May 06 20:00:29 and again, X-Fade manages the repo, not Jaffa May 06 20:00:56 pupnik try again May 06 20:01:38 Jaffa: hey, hey May 06 20:01:44 X-Fade: hey hey May 06 20:02:22 hey! listen! May 06 20:05:08 k trying IHateHayfever May 06 20:06:33 hmmm May 06 20:09:23 MohammadAG, can you post your output of ls -l in the scratchbox root dir? May 06 20:10:26 /scratchbox or the target's /? May 06 20:11:10 im off May 06 20:11:11 by May 06 20:11:16 and thanks :) May 06 20:11:19 bye IHateHayfever May 06 20:11:21 :) May 06 20:11:59 bi guys May 06 20:12:04 the one from /scratchbox May 06 20:12:04 or girls May 06 20:12:08 i assume guys May 06 20:12:15 but its just text May 06 20:12:27 how the hell am i supposed to know May 06 20:12:42 (I think somehow /opt was created by some utility and replaced the link to /targets for /opt) May 06 20:12:57 then sb-conf select is not updateing the link /opt anymore (?) May 06 22:34:22 IA@$^BF(Q*(#)BOV&#)(*&^$)V#*(%&)GBNOIUW$O I AM BACK May 06 22:34:39 fscking windoze May 06 22:40:45 Homeland security seizes domains. Firefox provides add-on that circumvents this. Homeland security demands that Firefox remove the add-on. Firefox responds to demand with list of inconvenient questions http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110505/14444714170/homeland-security-demands-mozilla-remove-firefox-extension-that-redirects-seized-domains.shtml May 06 22:40:50 hey rm_you May 06 22:41:13 hey pupnik_ May 06 22:42:19 DocScrutinizer: http://public.pipapo.org/Germany%20(Big).squash 3.9GB btw May 06 22:42:33 (anyone else here using monav?) May 06 22:43:41 cehteh: what's that? May 06 22:43:50 http://monav.openstreetmap.de/ May 06 22:43:59 vector maps and insanely fast routing May 06 22:44:20 That sounds too large. May 06 22:44:57 quote from christoph: "the bad thing about it is, that you dont even notice when you took the wrong way because it instantly reroutes" May 06 22:45:06 too large for what? May 06 22:45:38 cehteh: Is that in PBF? May 06 22:45:48 thats the german OSM maps with a very big windows into its neighbour countries May 06 22:46:09 monav format (thats a some dirs with a lot preprocessed files) May 06 22:46:20 i just squashfs'ed it May 06 22:46:26 ah May 06 22:46:38 nice cehteh May 06 22:46:58 works on n900? May 06 22:46:59 normally unpacked its about 6GB May 06 22:47:02 yes May 06 22:47:06 Seems large -as all of europe in PBF is 5.6G May 06 22:47:17 (needs power kernel for squashfs and loopback) May 06 22:47:28 (8G in bz2) May 06 22:47:36 SpeedEvil: can that insanely fast route? May 06 22:47:43 It's the raw data format. May 06 22:47:53 so thats something completely different May 06 22:48:42 monav uses some new algorithm which packs the routing logic into the file data and then the device can just access the file in some special way to *have* the routes without expensive computations May 06 22:48:43 cehteh, 403 May 06 22:48:55 moment May 06 22:49:04 :) May 06 22:49:25 Compurtations are not that expnsive with properr heirarchies. May 06 22:49:30 try now May 06 22:49:45 working May 06 22:49:56 SpeedEvil: yes but i am not aware of any other software for the n900 which does that May 06 22:50:33 any other mapping thing on the n900 uses either online routing or sucks May 06 22:50:40 possibly both May 06 22:50:51 you dont have good bike or pedestrian routing May 06 22:51:43 To be fair, germany is probably unusually well served with OSM May 06 22:51:52 well works for me :) May 06 22:52:21 wonderful stuff cehteh May 06 22:52:28 ty May 06 22:52:32 There seems to be something in the German mapper that is a little bit completist. May 06 22:53:06 well thank the monav people, not me, i only had the idea to squashfs the german map because i dont want to conserve some space on my sd card May 06 22:53:43 christoph also saied that there may be file format changes in the future, internet updates and so on .. lets see May 06 22:54:35 i wonder how big a europe map would be compressed :P May 06 22:58:42 cehteh: thanks. Still wondering if I really need it May 06 22:59:45 oh yeah and thanx cehteh :) May 06 22:59:49 hehe dunno .. i just made it available for fun and because you have to install a backported squashfs gor compress it May 06 23:00:28 of course you can d/l the maps from the official site and use them uncompressed or squash them by yourself May 06 23:00:41 cehteh: should I mirror it on my box? May 06 23:01:11 dunno May 06 23:01:35 thats my hetzner box so traffic isnt a big problem May 06 23:01:48 I'd do that "just for you" to have a second source you can link to May 06 23:01:57 no need May 06 23:01:59 (hetzner) I know May 06 23:02:23 it will prolly be outdated sometime soon when the monav people provide newer maps May 06 23:02:47 i then generate a new one for me personally and if anyone asks me i can upload it again May 06 23:03:11 how about generating the new one on your box ;-) May 06 23:03:22 if you want to .. feel free May 06 23:03:50 you saied you played with monav .. how about a whole europe map? May 06 23:04:07 and canary islands please :P May 06 23:04:24 nah, just thought your box probably idles anyway, and you'd have to dl it locally anyway as well, while your box has a better backbone probably May 06 23:04:52 i am very lazy at this and will only care as much i need it by myself May 06 23:05:32 just was suggesting about a way to avoid dog slow upload May 06 23:05:51 i also asked christoph about putting the squashed maps on the osm server, but he replied that they then have to do that for all maps and for all squashfs versions which is a maintenance burden as well as the format will likely change soon May 06 23:06:25 that was my fault, otherwise i try to work on the server and only download then May 06 23:06:48 bittorrent on the hetzner server rocks ... getting a (free!) movie in 5 minutes down :P May 06 23:06:55 that's what I meant :-D May 06 23:07:04 yeah i can do that on my server too May 06 23:07:51 i just had the idea about squashing the cruft after i downloaded it to my home box, squashed it there and then uploaded it over serveral days :P May 06 23:08:25 hetzner backbone indeed rocks May 06 23:09:00 when I did a wget of some MB, I thought "wtf went wrong??" when the cmd returned in NO time May 06 23:09:15 yeah May 06 23:10:16 faster than my local HDD ;-D May 06 23:11:32 anyway, booztime May 06 23:11:49 l8r May 06 23:25:26 cehteh: 5 minutes? May 06 23:25:38 cehteh: i can do it in less than 60s May 06 23:25:42 cehteh: in ovh in france May 06 23:25:57 cehteh: on gigabit link May 07 00:16:17 Hello May 07 00:16:23 Perhaps. May 07 00:53:57 MohammadAG, on your poll, the "Other" entries have 17%, are they listable somewhere? May 07 00:53:58 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/?p=42 May 07 00:55:56 lcuk, they violate facebook's rules, so I didn't include them May 07 00:56:13 (and one violates Apple's rules) :P May 07 00:57:34 lol May 07 01:07:35 also, I'll include the iOS icons for now May 07 01:07:46 hopefully some designer will help me replace them asap May 07 01:09:56 MohammadAG: Cisco iOS or Apple iOS? May 07 01:11:00 Apple iOS May 07 01:15:22 I think it is confusing they named them the same May 07 01:15:29 They should have made a better name May 07 01:15:53 they need a poll to choose names! :P May 07 01:16:36 lcuk: Nah, their name would just end up being: "Other" every single time May 07 01:23:52 lcuk, nope, they can sue cisco May 07 01:34:25 oh crap May 07 01:34:44 just overwrote /etc/modules accidentally May 07 01:35:12 copypasta from website and copied terminating > May 07 01:35:40 so ended up executing nano > /etc/modules May 07 01:35:45 :/ May 07 01:36:20 would someone mind pastebinning what the contents of this file should like please May 07 01:36:35 llook* May 07 01:37:01 Empty is functioanlly equivalent. May 07 01:37:09 It's got nothing but comments May 07 01:37:26 ah jolly good May 07 01:37:30 thank you May 07 01:41:20 wtf May 07 01:41:34 Google forced me to change my Youtube password due to suspicious activity May 07 01:41:47 o.0 May 07 01:48:21 hahaha May 07 01:49:17 MohammadAG: I wouldn't have expected anything else than suspicious activities when *you*'re using youtube ;-D May 07 01:51:58 just make sure it's not been this request that was the real suspicious activity - I.E. a phishing hoax May 07 01:53:56 hey, that's cool! freenode now filters your password, so you can't type it accidentally, like '****' May 07 01:54:12 ;-D May 07 01:54:52 whenever I type my password ******, it comes to channel as **** May 07 01:54:58 see? May 07 01:55:02 ;-P May 07 01:55:21 now please change your facebook password, there's been suspicious activity! May 07 01:55:42 old password: May 07 01:56:34 Please enter your old password: May 07 01:57:38 May 07 01:57:48 wannawrite a script to make the n900 keyb leds do a knightrider thing when slid out :) May 07 01:58:15 duh, isn't that just *too* simple? May 07 01:58:22 i doubt its single leds under each key... May 07 01:58:33 there are 6 May 07 01:58:33 no, but 6 LEDS May 07 01:58:38 ah May 07 01:58:49 doc im a shell noob :) May 07 01:59:20 fusi[n900], easy is making the script to do it. hard is integrating it into a complete app to make use of it - MohammadAG will show you the scripts to do KR May 07 01:59:57 was hoping there was smt like init.d but for keyb events or smt May 07 02:00:01 :D May 07 02:00:05 for I in 1 2 3 4 5 6; do echo 100 >LED$I/brightness; sleep 1; echo 0>LED$I/brightness; done May 07 02:00:15 i have little grasp of linux :( May 07 02:00:30 kewl May 07 02:00:40 so to light a single led you have a bit of a learning curve! May 07 02:00:51 * lcuk understands that dilemma May 07 02:00:55 for linking to slider-open, search tmo for keyword playswoosh May 07 02:01:07 cool thanks doc May 07 02:03:37 fusi[n900]: anyway you'll run into race problems with mce, which is controlling kbd LEDS May 07 02:04:11 could i pause/block mce? May 07 02:04:25 mm May 07 02:04:55 you may want to assume all leds are 'on' and rather temporaray set /current to 0 and then back to it's original value May 07 02:05:24 fusi[n900]: stopping mce is possible but highly troublesome May 07 02:05:24 are the led levels readable? May 07 02:05:31 mwaha May 07 02:05:40 ok May 07 02:05:56 sure, just cat kb-led$I/brightness May 07 02:06:14 or /current for this purpose May 07 02:06:16 im thinking mce would only turn them on/off when ambient light thesh is passed May 07 02:06:20 cool May 07 02:06:25 yes May 07 02:06:34 but also only when slider opened May 07 02:06:45 i could just store them, do the lil anim then restore May 07 02:06:49 yea May 07 02:06:59 im seeing things about dbus May 07 02:07:20 so whenever ambient light is low enough so you see your KR light, it will just get ramped up by mce the moment your slide open trigger fires May 07 02:08:04 aye thers only 1 tevent May 07 02:08:07 mm May 07 02:08:16 exactly, wait 1s for mce to finish its cruft, store values, do your thing, then restore values to original May 07 02:08:25 but first, he'll paste a link to his facebook app http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1001474#post1001474 May 07 02:08:36 ill have a play and let u know :) May 07 02:08:54 KR.sh, good times, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/KR.sh May 07 02:09:18 thanks for the help :) May 07 02:09:36 lcuk, I actually modified the vumeter app to pulsate the keyboard, just never released it (I think?) May 07 02:09:43 fusi[n900]: just don't mess with current too much. It's unclear how much current the LEDs really can cope with. So you might kill them by setting ledN/current to a too high value May 07 02:09:58 eep May 07 02:10:07 kk May 07 02:10:47 they really do give you full controldont they :D May 07 02:11:01 sometmes they do, yes :-P May 07 02:11:08 on the plus side, the hot leds will be nice finger warmers May 07 02:11:24 i came from a winmo touchpro >.< May 07 02:11:27 lcuk: not really May 07 02:11:28 lol May 07 02:12:05 lcuk, a better finger warmer; get kernel sources, while true; do make -j 9 && make clean; done May 07 02:12:15 lcuk: the flash LEDs will, not the kbd LEDs though May 07 02:12:16 hrhr May 07 02:12:27 MohammadAG: exactly May 07 02:12:36 I use it as a room heater more than a finger warmer though May 07 02:12:44 it's cheaper than gas these days May 07 02:13:05 yer savecpu is warning me regularly May 07 02:13:10 :F May 07 02:13:27 my laptop goes up to 80C when compiling May 07 02:13:50 I'm pretty sure that shortens its life span, but by the time it dies I'm sure we'll have i12s and i20s around May 07 02:13:57 i had a p3 1ghz that i topped 100c with :D May 07 02:14:04 aah the good ol days May 07 02:14:25 abit vp6 mobo <3 May 07 02:14:56 P3 pff May 07 02:15:06 I had a dual G5 May 07 02:15:06 heh May 07 02:15:16 One of the liquid cooled models. May 07 02:15:42 So hot Apple had to replace it with a Mac Pro for fear of lawsuits. *g* May 07 02:15:43 i had a stock fan Mwah May 07 02:15:50 lol May 07 02:16:04 oh dear May 07 02:16:12 win4u May 07 02:16:26 What was everybody's takeaway from Intel's "3D" chip process announcement? May 07 02:16:47 wasnt listening ;o May 07 02:17:49 GAN900: next week meego meeting in Paris?? May 07 02:17:58 i can has to write script me go now byebye! May 07 02:18:02 Paris? May 07 02:18:53 [2011-05-07 00:44:26] I'll be at their dev event next week in Paris May 07 02:19:13 [2011-05-07 00:44:53] yeah during solutions linux May 07 02:19:44 Dunno. Is it an AppUp thing? May 07 02:19:52 a wut? May 07 02:20:30 aah May 07 02:20:37 [2011-05-07 00:45:00] intel appup May 07 02:20:57 nfc May 07 02:48:35 hi i have n900 May 07 02:50:50 Congratulations. May 07 02:58:47 enjoy! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 07 02:59:58 2011