**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 08 02:59:58 2011
May 08 03:11:16 * GeneralAntilles dies.
May 08 03:30:22 <xd13> can i remove the ovi and system updates repos ? because i realized today the other nokia repo is quite important for deps
May 08 03:49:44 <pauly> hi anyone want to buy a n900 with broken usb port?
May 08 04:13:15 <doc|home> how would a person charge it in that case? o.O
May 08 04:14:38 <DocScrutinizer> how much?
May 08 04:15:01 <doc|home> he left
May 08 04:15:16 <DocScrutinizer> meh
May 08 05:47:15 <lsolano> Hi. After installing any app on my n900, app icon is not show, until reboot. Is there any other way to see the icon without rebooting?
May 08 06:55:32 <etorix_> hi shitheads!
May 08 06:57:48 <etorix_> your dumb ass brain is full of shit!
May 08 06:57:49 <etorix_> LOL!
May 08 07:07:38 <doc|home> erm
May 08 07:07:38 <doc|home> ok
May 08 07:32:46 <kerio> etorix_: that's mean :(
May 08 08:06:57 <lbt> X-Fade: ping ... pmo down ?
May 08 08:38:28 <etorix_> lololol
May 08 08:38:36 <etorix_> who owns the federal reserve, doc|home ?
May 08 08:38:38 <etorix_> you CUNT
May 08 08:38:41 <etorix_> you COCK SUCKER
May 08 08:38:43 <etorix_> you BITCH
May 08 08:38:46 <etorix_> suckers of satan's cock deserve no better
May 08 08:38:48 <etorix_> that means you kerio
May 08 08:38:51 <etorix_> sperm slurper
May 08 08:38:53 <etorix_> you are a fucking idiot
May 08 08:38:56 <etorix_> doc|home's throat is too full of satan's sperm to type anything
May 08 08:38:58 <etorix_> jizm gobbler
May 08 08:39:03 <etorix_> lol at fuckheads
May 08 08:39:06 <etorix_> how the fuck are we going to kill these shits at nokia
May 08 08:39:08 <etorix_> especially this elop demon
May 08 08:39:11 <etorix_> there are a lot of good poisons
May 08 08:39:13 <etorix_> that motherfucker needs to go DOWN
May 08 08:39:16 <etorix_> like BIN LADEN
May 08 08:39:18 <etorix_> and doc|home
May 08 08:39:21 <etorix_> hows the sperm slurping going for you doc|home
May 08 08:39:23 <etorix_> gobble gobble gobble
May 08 08:39:28 <etorix_> smack smack
May 08 08:39:31 <etorix_> dribble dribble
May 08 08:39:33 <kerio> 2/10 for the effort
May 08 08:39:33 <etorix_> doc|home, lapping up satan's cum
May 08 08:39:36 <etorix_> like a cunt
May 08 08:39:38 <etorix_> a fucking cunt
May 08 08:39:43 <etorix_> hi shit
May 08 08:39:53 <etorix_> doc|home sucks jew cock
May 08 08:39:56 <etorix_> doc|home: is a CUNT
May 08 08:39:58 <etorix_> 'fuck me, i'm yours'
May 08 08:40:01 <etorix_> satanic baby eaters
May 08 08:40:03 <etorix_> that's who this motherFUCKER serves
May 08 08:40:06 <etorix_> and several of them are involved
May 08 08:40:07 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: *poke*
May 08 08:40:08 <etorix_> in open source projects
May 08 08:40:11 <etorix_> so you need to learn who is who
May 08 08:40:13 <etorix_> do you understand shitheads
May 08 08:40:16 <etorix_> evil people have a motive to infect open source
May 08 08:40:18 <etorix_> you dumb idiots
May 08 08:40:21 <etorix_> ,k,
May 08 08:40:50 <HRH_H_Crab> hello all
May 08 08:40:59 <HRH_H_Crab> i wonder if someone can give me some guidance,
May 08 08:41:58 <HRH_H_Crab> my phone tells me that it wants to upgrade "Linux kernel for power user (boot image)" but the upgrade fails because of the "3rd party package policy" or something like that.
May 08 08:42:24 <HRH_H_Crab> im not sure whether i should be doing something to remove a block so that it can install, or whether i have to do something to stop it from trying to install that.
May 08 08:52:53 <robbiethe1st> Um
May 08 08:53:37 <robbiethe1st> try opening a terminal, typing 'sudo gainroot', then 'apt-get upgrade'  and tell me what it says?
May 08 09:06:56 <HRH_H_Crab> robbiethe1st: yeah i found this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879&page=27
May 08 09:07:15 <HRH_H_Crab> did a manual install and it looks like its all behaving now.
May 08 09:07:16 <HRH_H_Crab> thanks.
May 08 09:07:22 <robbiethe1st> NP
May 08 09:09:11 <HRH_H_Crab> the package manager freaks me out sometimes
May 08 09:09:15 <HRH_H_Crab> it can be a bit clunky.
May 08 09:10:12 <HRH_H_Crab> also, i find it confusing to understand what some of these packages are sometimes. i suspect that i might not even need that one. i experimented a bit with dual booting maemo / android but i didnt think much of android.
May 08 09:10:15 <robbiethe1st> HRH_H_Crab: I always use the command-line tool; can't stand the slow gui one
May 08 09:10:38 <robbiethe1st> You can always google the name of a package; it'll let you know
May 08 09:11:05 <robbiethe1st> power-kernel's the "custom kernel" various people have come up with; it's always a good thing even if you don't want to OC
May 08 09:11:12 <HRH_H_Crab> yeah
May 08 09:11:17 <HRH_H_Crab> i use it for stuff like ipv6
May 08 09:12:05 <HRH_H_Crab> but im not sure what the "boot image" part is. i would think that would actually install the new kernel and sort out the bootloader and all but it doesnt reboot the phone or anything when it installs.
May 08 09:14:44 <robbiethe1st> Hm... Well, the kernel's got it's own partition on the disk
May 08 09:14:54 <robbiethe1st> could be something to do with that
May 08 10:24:33 <iPeter-> Hello
May 08 10:24:40 <iPeter-> I got some issues with my n900
May 08 10:24:59 <iPeter-> i did remove everything from /
May 08 10:25:14 <iPeter-> including /user/MyDocs
May 08 10:25:56 <iPeter-> i tried to reflash my n900 emmc and firmware, but when booting up i get "Missing image" and some square boxes. Help!
May 08 10:26:31 <SpeedEvil> That happens if you've got a screwed up emmc I think
May 08 10:26:36 <SpeedEvil> reflash?
May 08 10:27:15 <iPeter-> SpeedEvil: That happened already when mydocs etc did get removed..
May 08 10:27:35 <SpeedEvil> What did you do?
May 08 10:27:36 <iPeter-> Have tried flashing emmc 2 times and getting successfully flash..
May 08 10:27:45 <iPeter-> umm
May 08 10:28:20 <iPeter-> mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /and
May 08 10:28:30 <iPeter-> cd /and/
May 08 10:28:40 <iPeter-> rm -rf *
May 08 10:29:09 * SpeedEvil ponders
May 08 10:29:13 <iPeter-> :D
May 08 10:29:14 <SpeedEvil> Sorry - not awake enough
May 08 10:29:59 <iPeter-> i was installing nitdroid to my device, triple checked that mmcblk is right but then i did do something wrong and then it werent righ.
May 08 10:30:02 <iPeter-> right*
May 08 10:30:30 <iPeter-> SpeedEvil: Any ideas?
May 08 10:30:32 * DocScrutinizer votes for banning nitdroid
May 08 10:31:25 <DocScrutinizer> if I haven't missed some, this been the 5 complaint about nitdroid killing N900 in 24h
May 08 10:31:38 <iPeter-> :D
May 08 10:31:44 <iPeter-> DocScrutinizer: Can you help me?
May 08 10:32:15 <DocScrutinizer> reflash, first rootfs-COMBINED, then emmc-VANILLA
May 08 10:33:46 <iPeter-> DocScrutinizer: Is this correct: Rx-51 2009SE 20.2010.36-2 pr combined mr0 arm.bin
May 08 10:34:04 <DocScrutinizer> looks about right
May 08 10:34:45 <DocScrutinizer> err, sorry - first vanlla, then combined, is the more safe method
May 08 10:35:13 <iPeter-> DocScrutinizer: Tried that few times, still nothing.
May 08 10:35:30 <DocScrutinizer> you're missing the vanilla image
May 08 10:35:33 <iPeter-> multiboot is coming etc, i select maemo, it boots up but has squares and no images
May 08 10:36:01 <iPeter-> DocScrutinizer: I have flashed emmc vanilla and then firmware combined
May 08 10:36:39 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, then sth went wrong, otherwise you should be back to facotry state
May 08 10:37:14 <RST38h> Doc: Is it just me, or are we really getting a flood of newbies with bricked devices lately?
May 08 10:37:27 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 08 10:37:40 <iPeter-> DocScrutinizer: I do: flasher-3.5 -F emmc.bin -f when finished i do flasher-3.5 -F firmware.bin -f -R, correct?
May 08 10:37:44 <DocScrutinizer> not unhappy about that
May 08 10:38:11 <DocScrutinizer> looks about right, iPeter-
May 08 10:38:17 <RST38h> Doesn
May 08 10:38:26 <iPeter-> RST38h: ?
May 08 10:38:36 <RST38h> t this mean there might have been a rogue package bricking those devices?
May 08 10:39:12 <DocScrutinizer> nitdridiot always been rogue
May 08 10:39:41 <DocScrutinizer> actually multiboot
May 08 10:39:50 <RST38h> ah, these are nitroid/multiboot victims...
May 08 10:40:31 <RST38h> Yea, you are right: "Go to first new post [How To] Nitdroid-Installer: install GingerBread N12 UMay" <== at the top of tmo topics
May 08 10:41:03 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
May 08 10:41:13 <iPeter-> DocScrutinizer: Its writing tow the emmc.bin and its done. Image(s) flashed successfully in 26.976 s
May 08 10:41:34 <DocScrutinizer> I repeat, I suggest banning nitdroid
May 08 10:41:58 <DocScrutinizer> ok, now flash rootfs
May 08 10:42:25 <DocScrutinizer> aka fiasco / COMBINED
May 08 10:45:54 <iPeter-> DocScrutinizer: I did, it was almost instantly done
May 08 10:46:07 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, is rather quick
May 08 10:46:30 <DocScrutinizer> dunno, like 8s or sth
May 08 10:46:49 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
May 08 10:47:04 <DocScrutinizer> (been a while since... ;)
May 08 10:47:30 <DocScrutinizer> next boot should take noticably longer than usual
May 08 10:47:57 <iPeter-> this asks what to boot maemo or nitdroid
May 08 10:48:02 <iPeter-> i select maemo
May 08 10:48:06 <DocScrutinizer> ohnoes
May 08 10:48:35 <iPeter-> it rebooted and got alot squares
May 08 10:48:41 <iPeter-> and 2 buttons with squares
May 08 10:48:48 <iPeter-> with grey background
May 08 10:49:02 <DocScrutinizer> your flashing of rootfs went wrong
May 08 10:49:29 <iPeter-> well i did as i said
May 08 10:49:45 <DocScrutinizer> tell iPeter- about flashing
May 08 10:49:52 <DocScrutinizer> ~tell iPeter- about flashing
May 08 10:50:05 <iPeter-> and no errors during flashing.. i have done it few times but this time seems to be little hard..
May 08 10:50:22 <iPeter-> using laptop eee 901 and ubuntu 11.04
May 08 10:51:00 <Sicelo_> hi evryne
May 08 10:51:20 <iPeter-> DocScrutinizer: If i install openssh and make account for you etc, could you do it?
May 08 10:51:29 <Sicelo_> /s/evryne/everyone
May 08 10:54:53 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, no
May 08 10:55:35 <DocScrutinizer> iPeter-: please look carefully at the part >>If you cannot establish a connection with N900, do following steps:<< in the wiki page
May 08 10:55:51 <DocScrutinizer> at
May 08 10:55:54 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
May 08 10:55:54 <infobot> i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 08 10:56:43 <Sicelo_> s/evryne/everyone/
May 08 10:56:44 <infobot> Sicelo_ meant: /s/everyone/everyone
May 08 10:56:50 <Sicelo_> yay
May 08 10:59:30 <DocScrutinizer> iPeter-: reading that passage also will tell you why I can't do that for you, even with a ssh account
May 08 10:59:52 <iPeter-> DocScrutinizer: Now it did flash it, had to remove battery after emmc flash
May 08 11:01:33 <DocScrutinizer> \o/
May 08 11:12:41 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo_: you didn't know this infobot fun? :-D
May 08 11:23:30 <Wisso> hello
May 08 11:23:35 <Wisso> anyone around?
May 08 11:23:51 <SpeedEvil> maybe
May 08 11:24:34 <Wisso> is it possible to run the flasher on slitaz?
May 08 11:24:58 <SpeedEvil> on what?
May 08 11:25:08 <Wisso> Slitaz OS
May 08 11:25:14 <SpeedEvil> what?
May 08 11:25:22 <Wisso> bootable live unix operating system
May 08 11:25:32 <SpeedEvil> Probably
May 08 11:25:51 <SpeedEvil> It should work like on any other linux
May 08 11:26:02 <SpeedEvil> the flasher doe s not require any more than just hte flasher itself.
May 08 11:27:51 <DocScrutinizer> .oO(?¿wtf!!)
May 08 11:29:01 <Wisso> ok got it running
May 08 11:29:31 <DocScrutinizer> seems it's up to anybody's guess how many linux distros are around today^H this minute
May 08 11:30:02 <Wisso> DocScrutinizer it was the smallest unix os i could get to boot live
May 08 11:30:07 <Wisso> 30MB only
May 08 11:30:38 <DocScrutinizer> aah, ok. That reduces the crop to sth like maybe 20
May 08 11:30:50 <Wisso> i cannot install unix on my system
May 08 11:30:54 <DocScrutinizer> DSL, knoppix...
May 08 11:31:59 * DocScrutinizer changes wallpaper of fedora desktop to pink and call that shelux, new distro \o/ ;-D
May 08 11:32:33 <DocScrutinizer> no offense to you, Wisso
May 08 11:32:47 <kerio> knoppix is big
May 08 11:32:55 <dm8tbr> DocScrutinizer: that's the ubuntu way, change the desktop theme and call it a new distro
May 08 11:33:26 <DocScrutinizer> yeah but nobody else got such a cute name for his distro ;-P
May 08 11:34:00 * DocScrutinizer runs to (R) shelux trademark
May 08 11:34:28 <dm8tbr> :D
May 08 11:36:07 <DocScrutinizer> "only genuine with the pink theme"
May 08 11:36:35 <DocScrutinizer> don't mess this one with hanna barbera
May 08 11:36:50 <DocScrutinizer> ;-D
May 08 11:37:42 <dm8tbr> ask Myrtti for some tips. she's got the whole pink linux thing figured out :)
May 08 11:39:16 <DocScrutinizer> errr hanna montana of course
May 08 11:39:24 <DocScrutinizer> http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html
May 08 11:40:51 * DocScrutinizer wondes who's hanna barbera - prolly a p0rnstar somebody mentioned here
May 08 11:41:42 <DocScrutinizer> aaah toons
May 08 11:42:08 <DocScrutinizer> william hanna, joseph barbera
May 08 11:42:52 <DocScrutinizer> now you all know what I do in me off-time :-P
May 08 11:49:15 <Wisso> DocScrutinizer SpeedEvil: im getting an error "Unable to enumerate USB buses!" when running the flasher
May 08 11:49:22 <Wisso> what does that mean
May 08 11:50:50 <DocScrutinizer> errr, sth is interferring the data transmission. Prolly a driver (modprobe -r *usb*), but may also be a USB hub, bad cable, poor hardware in PC...
May 08 11:50:57 <DocScrutinizer> for all I know
May 08 11:51:39 <Wisso> ok ill check
May 08 11:51:59 <DocScrutinizer> sometimes dmesg/syslog helps a lot
May 08 11:52:16 <DocScrutinizer> on linux :-D
May 08 11:53:07 <Wisso> ill join back from the unix station
May 08 11:53:08 <Wisso> brb
May 08 11:53:13 <DocScrutinizer> o/
May 08 11:55:06 <tux_> ok i ran modprobe -r *usb*
May 08 11:55:52 <tux_> module *usb* not found
May 08 12:02:31 <WiSso> DocScrutinizer u still there
May 08 12:02:40 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, this been a pattern
May 08 12:03:07 <WiSso> what does that mean
May 08 12:03:07 <DocScrutinizer> meta-pattern
May 08 12:03:38 <DocScrutinizer> the modules are cdc_ether, phonet, g_ether, dunno what else
May 08 12:03:50 <DocScrutinizer> esp phonet is notorious
May 08 12:04:15 <DocScrutinizer> ofono as well, if there's such a module with ofono in its name
May 08 12:05:58 <DocScrutinizer> any module that *uses* some module realted to USB is suspicious
May 08 12:06:39 <DocScrutinizer> and especially those that get loaded when you plug in the N900
May 08 12:06:55 <DocScrutinizer> those are definitely rogue (in this context)
May 08 12:08:13 <DocScrutinizer> since a module usually stays loaded once it got loaded, you'd have to start over with a freshly booted system, lsmod, then plug in N900 for flashing, lsmod again, then compare which new modules
May 08 12:09:33 <DocScrutinizer> also 64bit linux is known to cause trouble frequently (but not always)
May 08 12:22:51 <cehteh> rofl http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/05/07/1936221/Sony-Encourages-Linux-On-Their-Phones   .. didnt i yesterday explicitly exclude sony from the list of my next phone vendors :P
May 08 12:23:04 <BCMM> i kinda want details on that
May 08 12:23:29 <BCMM> i mean, as a valid alternative, or as a neat trick where you reboot if you want to actually make calls?
May 08 12:29:09 <DocScrutinizer> or as a marketing trick, I mean it's a Sony
May 08 12:30:53 <DocScrutinizer> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=sony
May 08 12:46:44 <SpeedEvil> cehteh: I think it's just the android patched kernel they're using + how to boot it, and nothing else.
May 08 12:46:57 <SpeedEvil> cehteh: Which is positive - but not a working phone system
May 08 12:47:09 <SpeedEvil> Though you can possibly put android on it.
May 08 12:56:43 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: where "it" is stuff they've released?
May 08 12:56:55 <BCMM> so, no xorg...
May 08 12:57:09 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: See the above blog
May 08 12:57:21 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: what, slashdot?
May 08 12:57:39 <SpeedEvil> As I understand it the official release is simply how to get your kernel (provided source) booting.
May 08 12:57:43 <SpeedEvil> And nothing more.
May 08 12:57:44 <SpeedEvil> The blog
May 08 12:58:03 <BCMM> why can't i find it?
May 08 12:58:32 <BCMM> ah, there it is
May 08 13:02:55 <DocScrutinizer> honestly, I for a short while considered to get the Sony P1 (long time ago) - I was just lucky I didn't rush so it became obvious they need a reboot every 24h before I got trapped by that shit
May 08 13:17:12 <nusse> hi
May 08 13:17:49 <nusse> i'm trying to compile the example data-sharing plugin and receive 'configure.ac:12: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_ENABLE_SHARED', any hints how to survice the autotools-hell? whats missing here?
May 08 14:02:42 <nusse> for the record: install libtool and the correct automake version should fix it
May 08 14:09:08 <BCMM> i have a slight problem with the packaging guide - what's the correct way to make the next version of your application?
May 08 14:09:51 <BCMM> i have a checklist-0.1 dir and can successfully create and install checklist_0.1-4_armel.deb
May 08 14:10:28 <BCMM> do i just cp -r checklist-0.1 checklist-0.2, modify the sources, and rerun dh_make?
May 08 14:22:21 <Corsac> BCMM: no, you run dch -i, update the changelog entry, then run dpkg-buildpackage
May 08 14:25:51 <BCMM> Corsac: gah, sorry - messed up dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage
May 08 14:25:57 <BCMM> and yeah, i know i need to fix the changelog too
May 08 14:26:50 <BCMM> i was really asking, is it sufficient to copy the directory, make modifications to sources, dch -i for the changelog and then build the package, or does one need to do dh_make or something?
May 08 14:27:02 <Corsac> why copy the directory?
May 08 14:27:08 <Corsac> (no need for dh_make)
May 08 14:27:11 <DocScrutinizer> for archive
May 08 14:27:21 <BCMM> Corsac: well, copy or move
May 08 14:27:35 <Corsac> not needed anyway
May 08 14:27:41 <BCMM> i'm not using any kind scm yet
May 08 14:27:43 <Corsac> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ might give you some help on debian packaging
May 08 14:27:49 <Corsac> it'd be worth it
May 08 14:28:25 <BCMM> oh my, there's a lot of that...
May 08 14:28:30 <BCMM> i'll have a stab at it anyway
May 08 14:29:31 <BCMM> Corsac: actually, i already had a look at that. it kind of assumes there is an upstream...
May 08 14:29:45 <BCMM> i'm wondering if there's anything wrong with basically working in the directory i build packages in
May 08 14:30:04 <BCMM> i mean, for a new version, cp the directory and edit the sources where they are
May 08 14:30:11 <BCMM> or is there a reason to not do that?
May 08 14:30:22 <BCMM> (or a more common way of doing something similar)]
May 08 14:33:05 <BCMM> oh i see, i don't really need to keep the old dir because it's been stored in the .orig for me...
May 08 14:33:19 <Corsac> BCMM: if there's no upstream you can make a native package
May 08 14:33:31 <BCMM> yes, just got to that bit
May 08 14:33:38 <Corsac> but in the usual case there's an upstream, even if he's the same person as the packager
May 08 14:34:01 <DocScrutinizer> cp -al
May 08 14:34:34 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: link instead of copying?
May 08 14:34:57 <DocScrutinizer> quite nice, saves all the space for the unaltered files
May 08 14:35:38 <DocScrutinizer> just make sure your editor etc doesn't modify files, rather renames/deletes the old copy and creates a new file
May 08 14:35:57 <DocScrutinizer> I think most editors do
May 08 14:36:00 <BCMM> that sounds unpredictable...
May 08 14:36:57 <DocScrutinizer> I'm using this scheme to get snapshots of my rsync'd copy of N900 on PC
May 08 14:37:10 <BCMM> still not sure i let it know i'm moving from version 0.1 to 0.2
May 08 14:37:35 <BCMM> dch -i has filled in (0.1-6) for me (up from -5 for the last one)
May 08 14:37:55 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, I think there's some catch for that
May 08 14:39:00 <BCMM> ah, --fromdirname, -d
May 08 14:39:13 <DocScrutinizer> ask somebody who really knows about that stuff
May 08 14:39:44 * DocScrutinizer doesn't
May 08 14:40:25 <BCMM> thanks, think i've worked out making new version now
May 08 14:40:36 <BCMM> what about building but not bothering with packaging?
May 08 14:40:57 <BCMM> (so i can just scp the binary to the device to check it works)
May 08 14:41:53 <DocScrutinizer> there's no problem with that, no?
May 08 14:43:01 * DocScrutinizer afk
May 08 14:46:22 <BCMM> ah, debian/rules build
May 08 15:04:51 <Sicelo> :/
May 08 15:19:58 <moo> hi
May 08 15:20:06 <moo> talk to me about bme
May 08 15:20:31 <Guest82429> if i stop it what are the consequances?
May 08 15:20:34 <SpeedEvil> moo: See http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/200-Solar-vacuum-water-heater-tube-boil-water-sun-/320661439683?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa8e944c3
May 08 15:20:38 <SpeedEvil> err
May 08 15:21:17 <moo_> what will happen if i plug in the charger with bme stopped.
May 08 15:21:19 <SpeedEvil> moo: te device gets confused as to battery state, does not charge, and will not shut down till the hardware cutroff hits
May 08 15:21:27 <moo_> ok
May 08 15:21:43 <SpeedEvil> Nothing - unless rthe battery voltage is very low - in which case it will enter a slow hardware charge mode.
May 08 15:22:00 <SpeedEvil> Which is not fast enough to charge the device if it's used at all.
May 08 15:22:06 <moo_> ok
May 08 15:22:26 <SpeedEvil> And will take about 14 hours to charge, if idle.
May 08 15:22:36 <SpeedEvil> (But won't charge beyond about 10%)
May 08 15:22:51 <moo_> is voltage updatedok
May 08 15:23:58 <moo_> is voltage info provided anywhere else? i.e will lshal still work?
May 08 15:24:33 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure. Yoiu can query the battery voltage direcytly over I2C
May 08 15:24:38 <moo_> ok
May 08 15:24:42 <SpeedEvil> Why are you asking?
May 08 15:25:10 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME
May 08 15:25:49 <moo_> becuse i just found out what is irq 56 that is responsible for over 40% of my hw wakeups
May 08 15:26:01 <moo_> it is bme btw
May 08 15:26:26 <moo_> if it provides nothing more than 'reporting' battery charge...
May 08 15:26:30 <moo_> fuck it
May 08 15:26:35 <jacekowski> it's charging battery
May 08 15:27:03 <moo_> I can monitor dbus for 'charger connected' message
May 08 15:27:30 <moo_> then start dbus when charger is connected, stop it when disconnected
May 08 15:28:03 <moo_> I have the script that i think was written by dr scrutiniser
May 08 15:28:10 <SpeedEvil> moo_: It's monitoring the charge process - it means little.
May 08 15:28:19 <SpeedEvil> moo_: Check it with the USB lead off
May 08 15:28:46 <moo_> check what?
May 08 15:28:52 <SpeedEvil> Unplug the USB lead.
May 08 15:28:55 <SpeedEvil> powertop
May 08 15:29:14 <SpeedEvil> You should see several seconds between wakes - average c4 residence time - with all radios off
May 08 15:29:24 <pauly> any one want to buy n900 with broken usb port and no stylus
May 08 15:29:37 <moo_> what country?
May 08 15:29:42 <Sicelo> hey ya pauly
May 08 15:29:51 <pauly> usa
May 08 15:29:58 <moo_> bleh
May 08 15:31:16 <moo_> SpeedEvil: I was suggesting ONLY running bme when plugged into charger.  start and stop of bme controlled by the charger plugged/unplugged dbus message.
May 08 15:31:25 <pauly> sicelo want to buy it
May 08 15:31:25 <moo_> SpeedEvil: you understard.
May 08 15:31:28 <moo_> ?
May 08 15:32:47 <moo_> or even better...
May 08 15:32:55 <SpeedEvil> moo_: BME does nothing when unplugged - pretty much
May 08 15:33:05 <SpeedEvil> moo_: It does not significanrtly wake the device.
May 08 15:33:05 <pauly> hmmm
May 08 15:33:12 <moo_> EXACTLY!
May 08 15:33:16 <moo_> it does
May 08 15:33:40 <moo_> it generates around 250 hw wake ups over 30s
May 08 15:33:43 <SpeedEvil> Pastebin powertop please.
May 08 15:33:50 <SpeedEvil> This is with the screen off?
May 08 15:34:12 <moo_> yes
May 08 15:34:17 <pauly> Sicelo: ?
May 08 15:34:25 <SpeedEvil> Pastebin your powertop output
May 08 15:34:26 <moo_> i am not asking help with power issues
May 08 15:34:51 <SpeedEvil> Do you have any battery monitoring software running?
May 08 15:34:58 <moo_> no
May 08 15:35:22 <moo_> there is nothing wrong with my setup just now
May 08 15:35:28 <SpeedEvil> moo_: There is.
May 08 15:35:28 <moo_> battery is fine
May 08 15:35:39 <moo_> orly?
May 08 15:35:43 <SpeedEvil> BME should not b significantly active when device is unplugged.
May 08 15:35:58 <moo_> ok, il give you a ptop then
May 08 15:36:24 <SpeedEvil> device unplugged - offline mode - with device locked
May 08 15:37:29 <moo_> with device unplugged, offline mode+ locked i get around 500wakups/s with around 2seconds in c4
May 08 15:37:54 <moo_> which is about the same as a freshly flashed n900
May 08 15:38:11 <moo_> which is normal
May 08 15:38:35 <SpeedEvil> Wakeups/second is misleading.
May 08 15:38:40 <SpeedEvil> You almost don't care about it.
May 08 15:38:58 <SpeedEvil> You care about wakeups from C4 lots more than you care about wakeups from C1
May 08 15:39:04 <SpeedEvil> But they are all reported the same
May 08 15:39:08 <moo_> agree
May 08 15:43:23 <moo_> ok here is what im gonna do
May 08 15:44:49 <moo_> when the dbus inactivity message is sent i will underclock, undervolt and stop bme.
May 08 15:45:11 <moo_> when the phone is unlocked bme starts again.
May 08 15:45:36 <moo_> bme will only be stopped IF the charger is unplugged.
May 08 15:46:11 <moo_> that way when phone is in pocket (most of the time) bme will not be running
May 08 15:46:46 <moo_> thus saving me ~250 hw w/s
May 08 15:47:09 <SpeedEvil> Pointless.
May 08 15:47:19 <moo_> pointless?
May 08 15:47:38 <SpeedEvil> I've had 8 days battery life, with logged into wifi, with BME running.
May 08 15:47:52 <SpeedEvil> And cell modem on
May 08 15:47:54 <moo_> 8 days?
May 08 15:47:56 <Sicelo> wow!
May 08 15:47:57 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 08 15:47:58 <moo_> what?
May 08 15:48:00 <Hukka> SpeedEvil: How?
May 08 15:48:08 <moo_> i dont believ you!
May 08 15:48:08 <Hukka> Is your phone just magical?
May 08 15:48:13 <moo_> how.
May 08 15:48:16 <moo_> ?
May 08 15:48:18 <SpeedEvil> Leave the device idle - have a properly powersaving AP.
May 08 15:48:30 <SpeedEvil> And not have any software that's doing bad stuff.
May 08 15:48:37 <moo_> agree
May 08 15:48:55 <moo_> don't believe 8 days though
May 08 15:49:08 * SpeedEvil checks.
May 08 15:49:16 <SpeedEvil> It was around that.
May 08 15:49:17 <Corsac> well, if you leave the device idle battery life doesn't really matter, you could switch it off and it would last weeks :)
May 08 15:49:32 <moo_> ha!
May 08 15:49:43 <moo_> n900 sucks a paperweight
May 08 15:50:04 <kerio> i didn't know paperweights needed a battery
May 08 15:50:27 <SpeedEvil> I regularly get power consumption rates in the 6-8mA range. This equates to about 8 days.
May 08 15:50:40 <SpeedEvil> And I did a test over about 6 days of minimal usage
May 08 15:50:44 <moo_> if i wanted crazy batterylife i would have a monochrome nokia
May 08 15:51:08 <SpeedEvil> Installing powerrtop again to check.
May 08 15:51:34 <moo_> pt doesnt tell you the discharge current
May 08 15:51:48 <SpeedEvil> No. it doesn't.
May 08 15:51:51 <moo_> where are you getting that 6-8 figure from.
May 08 15:51:53 <moo_> ?
May 08 15:52:14 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management
May 08 15:52:20 <SpeedEvil> Read that - which I mostly wrote.
May 08 15:54:02 <moo_> that looks like an interesting read SpeedEvil
May 08 15:54:07 <moo_> thank you
May 08 15:54:10 <moo_> brb!
May 08 15:56:19 <DocScrutinizer> 100% same page with SpeedEvil
May 08 15:57:07 <SpeedEvil> What would be truly awesome would be a powertop that gave the pid/activity/name chart - but *12 - for each state to each other state
May 08 15:57:34 <SpeedEvil> What you really care about is what woke it from C4.
May 08 15:57:44 <SpeedEvil> Not what the system chose to do while it was awake.
May 08 15:58:53 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: there are no 12 state transitions. The state machine diagram has pointers *from* c1..c5 ->c0 only
May 08 15:59:07 <SpeedEvil> hmm
May 08 15:59:08 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 08 15:59:09 <DocScrutinizer> there's never a c5->c3 transition
May 08 15:59:28 <derf> I've always found powertop to be mostly useless.
May 08 15:59:29 <SpeedEvil> I suppose so.
May 08 15:59:33 <SpeedEvil> Obvious really.
May 08 15:59:50 <SpeedEvil> derf: It's mostly uselss - if you read it like top.
May 08 15:59:57 <SpeedEvil> derf: You need to understand what it means.
May 08 16:00:09 <derf> As the vast majority of the wakeups it reports are "kernel timer", and doesn't give any obvious way to associate those with processes, or even any specific activity.
May 08 16:00:25 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
May 08 16:00:31 <SpeedEvil> Also see the comedic 'awk' reference.
May 08 16:01:49 * Sicelo never knew there is screen for N900. wow!
May 08 16:02:23 <trx> damn i lost my stylus :/
May 08 16:02:44 <trx> i dont even use it but i hate looking at the empty slot :/
May 08 16:03:52 <Hukka> trx: Bubble gum :?
May 08 16:03:58 <DocScrutinizer> chewinggum
May 08 16:04:03 <moo_> trx: go on deal extreme they are lie $1
May 08 16:04:04 <DocScrutinizer> heh
May 08 16:04:05 <trx> haha :)
May 08 16:04:15 <trx> moo_ tnx
May 08 16:04:27 <moo_> DocScrutinizer: what ever became of jr_bme?
May 08 16:04:37 <DocScrutinizer> riping
May 08 16:04:39 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 08 16:04:41 <Hukka> Though if color matters, I'm sure there's children's molding wax too
May 08 16:05:08 <moo_> DocScrutinizer: what like fruit?
May 08 16:05:18 <DocScrutinizer> more like brandy
May 08 16:05:42 <trx> lol
May 08 16:05:48 <moo_> so i gotta wait for jr_bme XO edition?
May 08 16:06:18 <DocScrutinizer> look at http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge.sh.txt
May 08 16:06:44 <moo_> I have seen the script
May 08 16:07:09 <DocScrutinizer> there are details in bme that are a pita to emulate, like hal_addon_bme for proper battery charge reporting
May 08 16:07:39 <DocScrutinizer> monitoring of sysfs for detecting plug in of charger without polling
May 08 16:07:57 <moo_> charger has a dbus signal
May 08 16:08:07 <moo_> no polling required
May 08 16:08:09 <DocScrutinizer> only when bme is running ;-P
May 08 16:08:20 <moo_> orly?
May 08 16:08:25 <DocScrutinizer> afaik yes
May 08 16:08:28 <moo_> dang
May 08 16:08:47 <moo_> gotta check this...brb
May 08 16:10:59 <DocScrutinizer> charger plugin is detected in musb_hdrc.ko (the part where you can find the "some asshole called chargerdetect" comment in hostmode enabled kernel) and that's what bme does and why we needed to stop it (among other reasons) for h-e-n to work properly
May 08 16:11:06 <ShadowJK> bme is the one that generates the dbus signal
May 08 16:13:15 <DocScrutinizer> actually that function in musb_hdrc gets called when you read /sys/*/charger
May 08 16:13:19 <DocScrutinizer> bme does that
May 08 16:13:57 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, what you want to detect is /sys/*/vbus
May 08 16:14:13 <DocScrutinizer> dunno who does that, guess it's bme as well
May 08 16:14:20 <moo_> there is a dbus message there
May 08 16:14:53 <moo_> ok
May 08 16:15:23 <DocScrutinizer> of course there's hulda as well
May 08 16:15:25 <moo_> /quit
May 08 16:15:32 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it plays the game
May 08 16:16:46 <gn00b> anyone have an N900 that suddenly won't charge? i've always used the usb > computer to charge my phone, but now it doesn't work. tried the wall charger and that doesn't work either.
May 08 16:17:08 <Hukka> Has the usb socket come off the board?
May 08 16:17:11 <DocScrutinizer> bad news
May 08 16:17:23 <gn00b> does nokia make a charger just for the battery?
May 08 16:17:30 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 08 16:17:36 * RST38h yawns widely
May 08 16:17:40 <gn00b> Hukka, no. it works for other devices
May 08 16:17:56 <DocScrutinizer> eh?
May 08 16:18:17 <DocScrutinizer> gn00b: we're talking bout N900 USB receptacle
May 08 16:18:30 <gn00b> yes
May 08 16:18:34 <Hukka> Time to ask again: Does anyone know if there's a way to programmatically disable the proximity sensor? More precisely I'd like calls to be visible and enable the touchscreen even when in a pocket
May 08 16:19:02 <DocScrutinizer> that's a function of dialer I guess
May 08 16:19:10 <DocScrutinizer> can't get changed easily
May 08 16:19:24 <MohammadAG> unless you disable it in mce
May 08 16:19:31 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
May 08 16:19:38 <Hukka> MohammadAG: Could you elaborate?
May 08 16:19:38 <DocScrutinizer> good point
May 08 16:20:08 <MohammadAG> edit /etc/mce/mce.ini
May 08 16:20:10 <DocScrutinizer> head /etc/mce/mce.ini
May 08 16:20:15 <MohammadAG> line Modules=
May 08 16:20:18 <MohammadAG> remove callstate
May 08 16:20:29 <MohammadAG> stop mce && sleep 1 && start mce
May 08 16:20:44 <MohammadAG> that will also keep ts vibra active during calls
May 08 16:20:57 <DocScrutinizer> nice :-P
May 08 16:21:16 <MohammadAG> right now haptic feedback is disabled in calls, for some reason...
May 08 16:21:30 <Hukka> Hm?
May 08 16:21:34 <Hukka> I do get vibra when called
May 08 16:21:45 <MohammadAG> Hukka, after answering
May 08 16:21:57 <DocScrutinizer> touchscreen feedback kick
May 08 16:21:58 <MohammadAG> during calls, you don't get vibra feedback when you touch the screen
May 08 16:22:08 <MohammadAG> of course, you could have that disabled all in all
May 08 16:22:08 <DocScrutinizer> usually
May 08 16:22:23 <Hukka> Ah, yeah I have touch vibra off all the time
May 08 16:22:28 <Hukka> Haven't ever noticed :)
May 08 16:22:38 <MohammadAG> so it shouldn't matter to you :p
May 08 16:23:10 <Hukka> Hm? FAM want's to remove my flac support in upgrade
May 08 16:23:13 <Hukka> I wonder why
May 08 16:23:13 <DocScrutinizer> but watch your earlobes then :-D
May 08 16:23:19 * MohammadAG ponders removing the homekey module
May 08 16:23:22 <MohammadAG> it's not like we have a homekey
May 08 16:23:24 <Hukka> DocScrutinizer: ?
May 08 16:23:37 <MohammadAG> he means touchscreen will be active in call
May 08 16:23:46 <Hukka> Ah, doesn't matter
May 08 16:23:49 <MohammadAG> tbh, Nokia's current solution sucks
May 08 16:23:52 <Hukka> I'll use handsfree or speaker
May 08 16:23:57 <MohammadAG> they could just disable the screen
May 08 16:24:03 <MohammadAG> rather than turn it off
May 08 16:24:21 <Hukka> MohammadAG: Sorry, what's the difference?
May 08 16:24:26 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: it makes for 35% increased call time
May 08 16:24:40 <pupnik> http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/obama-internet-kill-switch-proposed-20100618-yln6.html
May 08 16:25:03 <MohammadAG> echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/omap2_mcspi.1/spi1.0/disable_ts
May 08 16:25:11 <MohammadAG> that disables the touchscreen
May 08 16:25:19 <MohammadAG> but keeps it on
May 08 16:25:21 <DocScrutinizer> wow
May 08 16:25:25 <DocScrutinizer> didn't know
May 08 16:26:15 <MohammadAG> there's also keypad disable somewhere
May 08 16:26:22 <MohammadAG> basically, that's what mce does
May 08 16:26:24 <Hukka> I was hoping for something like that for the proximity sensor, but I'll try the mce thing
May 08 16:26:32 <MohammadAG> it disables the screen and blanks it
May 08 16:26:36 <MohammadAG> that's the "lock"
May 08 16:27:01 <Hukka> MohammadAG: You woudln't happen to know if there's a way to change the autolock feature from command line?
May 08 16:27:11 <MohammadAG> gconf
May 08 16:27:18 <Hukka> I'd also like the screen to react to touch after blanking in two minutes
May 08 16:27:34 <MohammadAG> hmm?
May 08 16:27:47 <Hukka> But would like to make a small applet on home screen  that can change this, so I wouldn't have to go to the settings all the time
May 08 16:27:49 <MohammadAG> isn't there an option for that?
May 08 16:27:55 <MohammadAG> ah
May 08 16:27:58 <MohammadAG> yeah, gconf
May 08 16:28:12 <Hukka> Any hints where to find the right toggle?
May 08 16:28:28 <MohammadAG> you can find the gconf keys here http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-applet-display
May 08 16:28:33 <Hukka> Ok, thank you
May 08 16:28:39 <MohammadAG> under src, should be in the #define-s
May 08 16:28:59 <moo_> yo
May 08 16:29:02 <moo_> ok
May 08 16:29:04 <moo_> oy
May 08 16:29:30 <Hukka> Great, I think this should cover it
May 08 16:29:31 <DocScrutinizer> moo_: ??
May 08 16:29:35 <moo_> will turning off watchdog timers reduce number of hardware wakups.
May 08 16:29:44 <moo_> ?
May 08 16:29:50 <DocScrutinizer> not significantly
May 08 16:30:24 <DocScrutinizer> actually not at all
May 08 16:30:30 <Hukka> MohammadAG: I have a transparent pocket in my bikes handlebar bag, but it prevents access to the side keys, and proximity sensor doesn't think it's that transparent. Now I can create a "bikemode" applet that in one click makes the phone operatable through the pocket plastic
May 08 16:30:52 <Hukka> And once I'm done, another press would make it work ok in my trouser pocket again
May 08 16:31:03 <MohammadAG> ah, should be easy
May 08 16:31:12 <DocScrutinizer> Hukka: sounds good
May 08 16:31:46 <moo_> how can i have right click with prox sensor covered?
May 08 16:32:02 <Hukka> Though when I asked before I only got the usual "Why do you want to use it in a pocket? Make a hole in the pocket or something. I hear that some fabrics can make the sensor think it's outside"
May 08 16:32:04 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, nice idea
May 08 16:32:29 <moo_> DocScrutinizer: me?
May 08 16:32:35 <DocScrutinizer> yo
May 08 16:33:01 <Hukka> Also I think the applet should change the status lights so that I don't leave it on accidentaly and make pocket calls
May 08 16:33:31 <DocScrutinizer> Hukka: np, you can change mce.ini for that
May 08 16:33:37 <moo_> finally, everyday i spend literally minutes inventing schemes to suggest in here under different user names just to impress you doc.
May 08 16:33:41 <Hukka> DocScrutinizer: Yeah, that I already knew
May 08 16:33:46 <moo_> now i can sleep
May 08 16:33:48 <MohammadAG> well, he can't change mce.ini dynamically :P
May 08 16:34:35 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: huh, he can't?
May 08 16:34:39 <Hukka> I can't?
May 08 16:34:54 <moo_> you have to restat mce AFAIK
May 08 16:34:59 <DocScrutinizer> pattern editor can
May 08 16:35:01 <Hukka> But is that a problem?
May 08 16:35:05 <DocScrutinizer> no
May 08 16:35:11 <MohammadAG> he has to restart it
May 08 16:35:16 <Hukka> MohammadAG: Any downsides?
May 08 16:35:40 <MohammadAG> no, but do it over 5 times quickly and it locks for 5 minutes
May 08 16:35:46 <Hukka> Oh, why?
May 08 16:35:54 <DocScrutinizer> not really, except losing any special state of indicator light, like blue blinking
May 08 16:35:58 <MohammadAG> stupid upstart safety feature
May 08 16:36:08 <jacekowski> you probably can modify patterns live
May 08 16:36:10 <Hukka> How quickly is quickly?
May 08 16:36:14 <jacekowski> i mean it's all in memory
May 08 16:36:19 <MohammadAG> 5 times under a minute
May 08 16:36:27 <Hukka> MohammadAG: No problem at all
May 08 16:36:30 <moo_> so which driver detects touchscreen input? and how is a 'click' detected?
May 08 16:36:32 <jacekowski> and there is nothing stopping you from modyfying of process memory
May 08 16:37:03 <MohammadAG> I guess
May 08 16:37:18 <Hukka> Moving on in the list of "perfect cycle phone", is there a good portrait mode clock application?
May 08 16:37:26 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: evil hax0r
May 08 16:37:39 <Hukka> Using the alarm clock app is a bit annoying, since the phone pocket is in portrait
May 08 16:37:40 <MohammadAG> tsc2005.ko
May 08 16:37:41 <MohammadAG> the touchscreen is a glorified mouse
May 08 16:38:06 <MohammadAG> Hukka, not that I know of, but one should be easy to make with Qt
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May 08 16:38:08 <RST38h> If you reside in this area and are still experiencing difficulties, please contact your television provider."
May 08 16:38:22 <RST38h> (and then they complain about people using torrents...)
May 08 16:39:01 <Hukka> Hm, although maybe a talking clock would be even better...
May 08 16:39:13 <Hukka> I'll check that app too
May 08 16:39:17 <DocScrutinizer> now THAT is simple
May 08 16:39:18 <moo_> where is the source? and is it feasible to put a condition that reports the click 'check proxitity sensor, if 1, right click. else left.
May 08 16:39:24 <Hukka> MohammadAG: Does the order of modules in mce.ini matter?
May 08 16:39:35 <MohammadAG> nope
May 08 16:39:39 <Hukka> Would be easier to programmaticly add the callstate back as the last in line.
May 08 16:39:40 <Hukka> Ok, great
May 08 16:40:34 <MohammadAG> moo_, not sure how easy that'd be
May 08 16:40:44 <jacekowski> moo_: not so easy
May 08 16:40:55 <moo_> bah
May 08 16:40:57 <MohammadAG> you'd need to connect two drivers together, or modify X's config
May 08 16:41:26 <DocScrutinizer> hmm layering issues
May 08 16:41:37 <moo_> my dreams of a rightclick evapourate like spirit of christmas past@3am
May 08 16:41:50 <MohammadAG> I also think there's a way of modifying UX toolkits
May 08 16:42:03 <MohammadAG> you might be able to modify Qt and Gtk's sources to do that
May 08 16:42:11 <Hukka> MohammadAG: Hm, removing the callstate module didn't really do what I was hoping for...
May 08 16:42:30 <MohammadAG> they're already modifed to have hold to right click
May 08 16:42:30 <MohammadAG> Hukka, hmm?
May 08 16:42:30 <Hukka> MohammadAG: If the screen is blanked, it won't activate it at all, no matter what the proximity sensor says
May 08 16:42:50 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
May 08 16:42:51 <MohammadAG> you mean when a call comes in?
May 08 16:42:51 <Hukka> I'd like the screen to get activated all the time, no matter whether it thinks it's in a pocket or not
May 08 16:42:55 <Hukka> MohammadAG: Yes
May 08 16:43:01 <DocScrutinizer> it's not aware of callstate anymore ;-P
May 08 16:43:01 <MohammadAG> make a quick script for it
May 08 16:43:11 <MohammadAG> just listen to dbus
May 08 16:43:21 <MohammadAG> com.nokia.csd.Call or something
May 08 16:43:33 <Hukka> Ok, and how to activate the screen?
May 08 16:43:37 <MohammadAG> then tie that to unlock the screen with mce
May 08 16:43:38 <MohammadAG> mce
May 08 16:43:58 <MohammadAG> dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_tklock_mode_change string:"unlocked"
May 08 16:44:01 <Hukka> Is there a howto page on the mce somewhere?
May 08 16:44:15 <DocScrutinizer> nah
May 08 16:44:37 <MohammadAG> dbus-scripts can help, but I suck at it so I'd rather make a Qt daemon
May 08 16:44:39 <DocScrutinizer> but we got source of *something* \o/
May 08 16:44:58 <Hukka> dbus-scripts is an app, or something?
May 08 16:45:02 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 08 16:45:08 <DocScrutinizer> a nice app
May 08 16:45:16 <moo_> hey mo, what is gps callback in 'phone-control'?
May 08 16:45:20 <Hukka> How would the Qt daemon differ, it needs to bind to the dbus anyway?
May 08 16:45:25 <DocScrutinizer> to monitor dbus for certain patterns and then start arbitrary scripts
May 08 16:45:29 <MohammadAG> it ties dbus events to dbus methods afaik
May 08 16:45:36 <moo_> Hukka: dbus-scripts is the n900 swiss chainsaw
May 08 16:45:48 <moo_> Hukka: of scripting
May 08 16:45:57 <Hukka> Maybe I'll see that first
May 08 16:46:09 <DocScrutinizer> I strongly recomend to do that
May 08 16:46:29 <Hukka> Might be that I never even bother to make a desktop app, instead just run the mode change from terminal every time ;)
May 08 16:46:30 <MohammadAG> phone-control --gps?
May 08 16:46:37 <moo_> Hukka: dbus-scripts-settings is also useful for getting started too.
May 08 16:47:04 <Hukka> Would it make sense to have my script to change the indicator colors "manually", or would it be better to use another app for that (I know there are some for changing the colors)?
May 08 16:47:05 <DocScrutinizer> Hukka: queen-beecon widget?
May 08 16:47:16 <Hukka> DocScrutinizer: Never heard of that, I'll check it
May 08 16:47:34 <moo_> MohammadAG: in the source for PC there is an 'experimental' function for gps that is not listed
May 08 16:47:45 <DocScrutinizer> moo_: dbus-scripts-settings is kinda PITA and buggy
May 08 16:47:45 <Hukka> DocScrutinizer: Seems like it might be nice too
May 08 16:47:51 <moo_> i was wondering what it does
May 08 16:48:11 <pupnik> what's the command to make a screenshot
May 08 16:48:13 <pupnik> on n900
May 08 16:48:18 <moo_> DocScrutinizer: agree, however it helped me understand what was going on
May 08 16:48:42 <moo_> with dbus-scripts
May 08 16:48:59 <Hukka> Where can I find the dbus-scripts? FAM doesn't find it
May 08 16:49:01 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, I think I looked at an own homemade example of -settings, then edited the file to match what I needed
May 08 16:49:17 <Hukka> Hm, found the wiki page
May 08 16:49:41 <Hukka> Weird, I thought I still have extras-devel on
May 08 16:50:00 <Hukka> Yeah, I do. Still no hit
May 08 16:50:44 <DocScrutinizer> use HAM!
May 08 16:50:54 <SpeedEvil> Hukka: I would try putting a small bit of foil and black insulation tap over the sensor, and see if it doesn't see either
May 08 16:51:21 <Hukka> SpeedEvil: I'm more of a sw than hw hacker ;)
May 08 16:51:21 <SpeedEvil> Is there a 'right' way to stop dsme?
May 08 16:51:26 <pupnik> The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The 'Liberty' was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander William McGonagle.
May 08 16:51:40 <DocScrutinizer> stop dsme? err no, maybe not
May 08 16:52:18 <SpeedEvil> I only know that name from: http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/poems/pgbridge.htm
May 08 16:52:18 <Hukka> SpeedEvil: But I don't quite get it, the foil reflects so isn't that exactly what the sensor sees as the pocket?
May 08 16:52:26 <SpeedEvil> Hukka: I don't know
May 08 16:52:34 <Hukka> At least someone said that it uses reflections
May 08 16:52:36 <DocScrutinizer> Hukka: yes
May 08 16:52:45 <SpeedEvil> BEAUTIFUL Railway Bridge of the Silvery Tay !
May 08 16:52:45 <SpeedEvil>      With your numerous arches and pillars in so grand array
May 08 16:52:46 <SpeedEvil>      And your central girders, which seem to the eye
May 08 16:52:46 <SpeedEvil>      To be almost towering to the sky.
May 08 16:52:55 <DocScrutinizer> you could try black velvet or similar
May 08 16:54:25 <DocScrutinizer> o/
May 08 16:54:38 <DocScrutinizer> this time and today for real
May 08 16:55:29 <moo> lol random reboot due to all my crap scriptz
May 08 16:56:13 <moo_> what is the entry in /sys/ that details charger?
May 08 16:57:22 <moo_> musb_hdrc
May 08 16:57:24 <moo_> gotcha
May 08 17:19:01 <nusse> where do the ULOG_DEBUG_L() logs go to?
May 08 17:28:43 <MohammadAG> who knows curl?
May 08 17:28:59 <Corsac> ask?
May 08 17:29:31 <nusse> never heard of it
May 08 17:29:37 <nusse> ULOG_* goes to syslog, btw.
May 08 17:30:26 <nusse> is there a special maemo-dev channel?
May 08 17:30:33 <ruskie> yup
May 08 17:30:35 <ruskie> -devel
May 08 17:30:37 <MohammadAG> variable= {variable2=value, variable3=anothervalue }
May 08 17:30:48 <MohammadAG> what do the {} brackets do?
May 08 17:31:03 <DocScrutinizer> rather dead over there at -devel
May 08 17:31:08 <nusse> ruskie: thx
May 08 17:31:47 <nusse> DocScrutinizer: i didn't receive any answers here either
May 08 17:32:27 <DocScrutinizer> well, maybe because nobody knew an answer?
May 08 17:33:44 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: looks like python?
May 08 17:34:17 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, nah, curl
May 08 17:34:39 <DocScrutinizer> no idea
May 08 17:35:05 <DocScrutinizer> I think it's caled curl because of the curly brackets
May 08 17:35:37 <nusse> i'm wondering if the sharing-infrastructure always needs an account, i receive "sharing_account_store_add_account need to create new last added id"
May 08 17:35:56 <DocScrutinizer> looks like a definition of a dict/struct instance
May 08 17:36:51 <DocScrutinizer> what makes you all think anybody here knows what you're talking about?
May 08 17:38:06 <DocScrutinizer> feels like
May 08 17:38:29 <DocScrutinizer> shall I use a better word for 'people' in line 7 of this letter?
May 08 17:38:45 <DocScrutinizer> (sic!)
May 08 17:40:57 <nusse> well, this is the #maemo channel and i'm asking maemo questions
May 08 17:41:04 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: python uses : to delimit keys and values in dict literals
May 08 17:42:50 <RST38h> Doc:using "puny humans" always makes it sound more official
May 08 17:43:58 <DocScrutinizer> ~question
May 08 17:43:59 <infobot> methinks question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
May 08 17:44:16 <Sicelo> :)
May 08 17:44:25 <dashavoo> anybody have problems tethering N900 in the latest Ubuntu?
May 08 17:45:22 <nusse> dashavoo: pand didnt work for me but it might be a problem on my laptop
May 08 17:46:26 <dashavoo> nusse: I can't tether using USB on the latest Ubuntu.. I knew I should have installed alongside my old version insead of a fresh install... now I have no software, and no internet cconnection
May 08 17:46:37 <dashavoo> I would be really screwed if I didn't have my laptop
May 08 18:07:05 <kr1shnak> hi. I have an old N800 device which I would like to so some hobbyist hacking on. I just want to play around, not spend a lot of time on any particular language or APIs. Could anyone recommend tools, libraries for this kind of fun hacking?
May 08 18:07:51 <kr1shnak> basically I want to put the minimal amount of time into this, but want to make use of the hardware. Maybe create some kind of pimped out alarm clock from it or something like that
May 08 18:10:55 <pupnik> use it
May 08 18:11:53 <dangergrrl> hey DocScrutinizer and MohammadAG thanks for the pointer on the modified fmtxd, i can transmit on illegal freqs while charging now :)
May 08 18:12:45 <dangergrrl> of course the xmit on illegal freqs part isn't all that useful i only have legal receivers :)
May 08 18:12:48 <pupnik> dangergrrl: did you download the guantanamo detainee list
May 08 18:12:52 <pupnik> from google spreadsheets?
May 08 18:13:14 <dangergrrl> no, why should i look for myself in case they think i am there? :)
May 08 18:13:29 <pupnik> there are still people locked in that dungeon
May 08 18:13:32 <pupnik> we should free them
May 08 18:13:54 <dangergrrl> yes and usa and uk and the others need to leave afghanistan
May 08 18:14:13 <pupnik> this needs to be forcefully said
May 08 18:14:19 <dangergrrl> osama bin laden was the goal, he is reportedly dead
May 08 18:14:25 <dangergrrl> fait accompli
May 08 18:14:42 <pupnik> i agree
May 08 18:14:49 <pupnik> now is the excuse to go home
May 08 18:14:51 <dangergrrl> well, i voted for the guy who promised those things
May 08 18:14:59 <dangergrrl> so far he hasn't kept his word
May 08 18:15:10 <pupnik> should have supported ron paul
May 08 18:15:15 <dangergrrl> but i did my part
May 08 18:15:21 <pupnik> you have another chance
May 08 18:15:34 <pupnik> to not be stupid this time
May 08 18:15:39 <dangergrrl> and i voted for my gay congresscreep
May 08 18:16:07 <dangergrrl> so i don't bother writing him letters to repeal DOMA
May 08 18:16:24 <pupnik> there is one good man in congress
May 08 18:16:27 <dangergrrl> you would think he knows his constituents support that
May 08 18:16:29 <pupnik> he is only there
May 08 18:16:31 <dangergrrl> rol paul?
May 08 18:16:33 <dangergrrl> ron
May 08 18:16:40 <pupnik> because he delivered most of his constitutents
May 08 18:16:42 <pupnik> yep
May 08 18:17:09 <dangergrrl> i voted for him for president on the libertarian ticket
May 08 18:17:19 <pupnik> suddenly i love you
May 08 18:17:20 <pupnik> :)
May 08 18:17:44 <dangergrrl> if i hadn't been scared stiff of sarah palin i would have voted for nader last time tbh
May 08 18:18:04 <dangergrrl> i believe in the green party agenda
May 08 18:18:16 <dangergrrl> but mccain/palin was scary
May 08 18:18:21 <dangergrrl> mccain is OLD
May 08 18:18:22 <pupnik> i agree
May 08 18:18:35 <pupnik> please check out scott horton's show every day
May 08 18:18:52 <pupnik> he is truly great
May 08 18:19:02 <dangergrrl> i should listen to a recent art bell or alex jones show
May 08 18:19:11 <pupnik> noo
May 08 18:19:15 <dangergrrl> both of them are certifiable crackpots
May 08 18:19:16 <pupnik> dumb dumb
May 08 18:19:22 <pupnik> scott horton
May 08 18:19:28 <dangergrrl> but some of what they say has to be true
May 08 18:19:29 <pupnik> smart smart
May 08 18:19:37 <pupnik> don't waste your time
May 08 18:19:47 <pupnik> how the hell do you not know antiwar radio
May 08 18:19:53 <pupnik> how are you so... uninformed
May 08 18:19:54 <dangergrrl> i don't buy the orbital mind control satellites
May 08 18:20:09 <dangergrrl> or the reptiallian shadow government conspiracy
May 08 18:20:14 <pupnik> i am angry and dismayed at you
May 08 18:20:24 <pupnik> you are talking about stupid things
May 08 18:20:29 <dangergrrl> someone would know if our leaders were secretly snakes
May 08 18:20:38 <pupnik> shut the fuck up
May 08 18:21:28 <dangergrrl> but the govt is feeding 9/11 conspiracy theory by not releasing proof of obl's death in a timely fashion
May 08 18:21:54 <pupnik> dumb bitch
May 08 18:21:57 <pupnik> learn
May 08 18:22:00 <pupnik> antiwar.com
May 08 18:23:05 <trx> o_O
May 08 18:23:32 <dangergrrl> i like the www he linked
May 08 18:23:58 <dangergrrl> i still believe there is value in listening to nutjobs
May 08 18:24:28 <trx> you shouldn't talk about topics that can lead to exactly this anyways..
May 08 18:25:15 <dangergrrl> i think mentioning illegal broadcasting led to this :)
May 08 18:25:37 <trx> lol
May 08 18:26:16 <dangergrrl> in practice the part of the band that my n900 can now transmit to is being used for greyspace internet in some cities
May 08 18:26:38 <dangergrrl> i wouldn't want to interfere with those signals
May 08 18:27:11 <MohammadAG> but FM stations already interfere with your music, so the effects' downsides are canceled out :P
May 08 18:27:17 <dangergrrl> if i had another n900 it could be useful for point to point
May 08 18:28:02 <dangergrrl> i'm wanting a way to enable the mic and fm transmitter from ssh if it's stolen
May 08 18:29:15 <trx> why the transmitter?
May 08 18:29:39 <dangergrrl> so you can hear around the n900 from a fm radio if you are nearby
May 08 18:30:09 <trx> haha, the small chance that you will be in 3 meters of your stolen n900
May 08 18:30:16 <dangergrrl> i think the n900 may make a fairly handy spy device also other than short battery life
May 08 18:30:19 <dangergrrl> oh
May 08 18:30:19 <trx> its a*
May 08 18:30:23 <dangergrrl> maybe not :P
May 08 18:30:49 <dangergrrl> actually it only works for about a meter on my bike radio
May 08 18:31:04 <dangergrrl> didn't think of that
May 08 18:31:09 <trx> even better :)
May 08 18:31:10 <dangergrrl> never mind
May 08 18:31:14 <dangergrrl> i'm a blonde
May 08 18:31:30 <trx> it would be easier to just play music via the speakers :)
May 08 18:32:03 <dangergrrl> but i'm guessing that's partially the ignition rf noise
May 08 18:32:59 <dangergrrl> n900 works on the motorcycle if it's closer to the radio than my spark plugs
May 08 18:33:04 <dangergrrl> probably in my head
May 08 18:33:37 <trx> probably :)
May 08 18:33:41 <iluminator101> Hey, How Do I Import Public Holidays to n900 main calender?
May 08 18:34:01 <dangergrrl> uhm
May 08 18:34:08 <dangergrrl> i bet they are in cal format somewhere
May 08 18:34:57 <dangergrrl> oh wow
May 08 18:35:13 <dangergrrl> the bl-5j stores 1320 mAh
May 08 18:35:31 <dangergrrl> my new jump pack 12Ah
May 08 18:35:47 <dangergrrl> so it should be able to fully charge n900 like 9 times
May 08 18:36:40 <dangergrrl> but it's usb port won't charge n900, have to use a car charger with it
May 08 18:36:54 <SpeedEvil> 'jump pack' ?
May 08 18:37:16 <SpeedEvil> If that's 12V@12Ah - that is more like 25 times.
May 08 18:37:19 <dangergrrl> portable battery booster for starting a car or motorcycle
May 08 18:37:36 <dangergrrl> 25 times... even better
May 08 18:38:04 <dangergrrl> i was thinking of buying a powermonkey extreme solar charger for camping at the beach
May 08 18:38:55 <dangergrrl> this thing needs a vehicle or grid power to recharge
May 08 18:40:01 <dangergrrl> but it was only $60us, powermonkey extreme isn't shipping for several weeks and costs 100gbp
May 08 18:43:58 <SpeedEvil> You can get solar thingies that will recharge it
May 08 18:45:11 <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SOLAR-12W-12V-POWER-GENERATOR-CHARGER-PANEL-PORTABLE-/190466890893?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item2c58b61c8d
May 08 18:47:24 <dangergrrl> it's one of these: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/8iOx0WirtIeGqfXrYATATGBiq5frSBLUYp7dIeyT-UI?feat=directlink
May 08 18:47:53 <dangergrrl> nice camping equipment but i wish i had a trailer
May 08 18:48:53 <SpeedEvil> Caveats - if you discharge it deeply, and then leave it, it's probably wrecked. It needs to be recharged promptly if you discharge it under 10.6V
May 08 18:49:30 <dangergrrl> if i use it camping i'll be hiking to charge it when it gets low
May 08 18:49:50 <dangergrrl> i bought it because i was stranded with a dead battery yesterday
May 08 18:50:11 <dangergrrl> it was a jump pak or cables and sit around looking dumb holding cables
May 08 18:50:38 <dangergrrl> i'd have gotten a jump i'm sure but the jump pak is more useful
May 08 18:51:25 <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/12V-12W-Polycrystalline-Household-Car-Solar-Power-Panel-/130441557699?pt=AU_Solar&hash=item1e5eec36c3 - or similar - would charge it in 2-3 days of good sun
May 08 18:51:31 <dangergrrl> i presume it's a dry cell battery or there would be warnings about charging it indoors
May 08 18:52:23 <dangergrrl> https://powertraveller.com/iwantsome/primatepower/powermonkeyextreme/
May 08 18:52:31 <dangergrrl> looking at that one lustfully
May 08 18:52:33 <SpeedEvil> It's not.
May 08 18:52:39 <SpeedEvil> It'll be a sealed lead-acid.
May 08 18:54:15 <dangergrrl> been shopping for an agm one for my motorcycle i think the walmart lead acid one i have is dieing
May 08 18:54:56 <dangergrrl> but i guess if i carry a jump pack i won't care that much
May 08 18:55:08 <SpeedEvil> As context - the battery you have is 4-5 times that capacity.
May 08 18:55:20 <SpeedEvil> (though admittedly a bit heavier than 5*)
May 08 18:56:04 <dangergrrl> 4-5* the powermonkey extreme?
May 08 18:56:11 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 08 18:56:40 <dangergrrl> but the powermonkey comes with the solar charger
May 08 18:56:58 <RST38h> No, you cannot charge your car or bike battery with solar power.
May 08 18:57:02 <dangergrrl> and it's rated better than the solio
May 08 18:57:08 <RST38h> -- Sincerely Yours, Cpt Obvious
May 08 18:57:33 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: Err - yes, you can.
May 08 18:57:44 <RST38h> Speed: Ok, theoretically you can/
May 08 18:57:55 <SpeedEvil> See the above link
May 08 18:57:57 <RST38h> Practically, you are screwed there
May 08 18:58:14 <dangergrrl> actually i bet i could charge this jump box enough to get er started if i were camping anyhow
May 08 18:58:24 <dangergrrl> might take a day or three
May 08 18:58:25 <SpeedEvil> The above panel will work - if in good sun and pointed right - to charge it in about a day or two
May 08 18:59:11 <dangergrrl> that panel with what i already have would be a great combo for camping at the beach
May 08 18:59:16 <RST38h> Or a week, yes
May 08 18:59:48 <RST38h> Forget it, it is snake oil
May 08 18:59:51 <SpeedEvil> A week of bad weather, yes
May 08 19:00:16 <RST38h> month of bad weather
May 08 19:00:36 <jacekowski> is official repository blocked in iran or something?
May 08 19:00:50 <dangergrrl> oh hai jacekowski
May 08 19:00:50 <jacekowski> i've had recently quite a lot of traffic to my repo mirror from iran
May 08 19:00:59 <dangergrrl> thanks for the fmtx hack
May 08 19:01:35 <jacekowski> who are you?
May 08 19:02:09 <ShadowJK> Yeah I think it's blockdd in iran
May 08 19:02:10 <dangergrrl> someone who was referred to your page yesterday when i lamented not being to charge my n900 with using the fm transmitter
May 08 19:03:24 <dangergrrl> getting ready for an epic motorcycle trip, need my pandora on the road :)
May 08 19:04:00 <SpeedEvil> If you're on a motorbike trip - driving lots - then you can tap the bike power
May 08 19:04:08 <trx> what motorcycle do you have?
May 08 19:04:20 <dangergrrl> a gold wing gl1500
May 08 19:05:11 <trx> nice
May 08 19:05:15 <trx> not a fan of those bikes tho
May 08 19:05:27 <dangergrrl> i was gonna hack my own secondary power system
May 08 19:05:46 <dangergrrl> but i think the jump pak is a superior solution if i have room for it
May 08 19:06:10 <trx> bikes usually get 12V from their generator
May 08 19:06:17 <trx> why don't you use that?
May 08 19:06:51 <jacekowski> dangergrrl: are you a female?
May 08 19:07:06 <dangergrrl> yes
May 08 19:07:26 <dangergrrl> key cylinder is blown and it's supereasy to take the key out in on position
May 08 19:07:27 <jacekowski> hmm, unusual
May 08 19:07:40 <dangergrrl> battery drains and you can't start
May 08 19:07:45 <jacekowski> do you have any photos to prove it
May 08 19:07:57 <jacekowski> like you holding a piece of paper with text like "maemo ftw"
May 08 19:08:00 <jacekowski> and current data
May 08 19:08:02 <jacekowski> date*
May 08 19:08:03 * SpeedEvil notes jacekowski wants pics of a loose cylinder.
May 08 19:08:07 <trx> lol
May 08 19:08:28 <nox-> haha
May 08 19:09:02 <RST38h> current datE, jacekowski
May 08 19:09:22 <jacekowski> RST38h: i've corrected myself in next line
May 08 19:09:36 <RST38h> and something is telling me, you are not getting one
May 08 19:09:45 * RST38h laughs satanically
May 08 19:10:20 <dangergrrl> maybe i'm ugly and self conscious :P
May 08 19:10:34 <RST38h> or REALLY interested in loose cylinders!
May 08 19:16:32 <trx> haha
May 08 19:34:05 <nusse> can anyone point me out how to debug sharing-plugsin?
May 08 19:34:31 <RST38h> printfs?
May 08 19:34:38 <nusse> where do they go to?
May 08 19:34:58 <RST38h> wherever you direct them to
May 08 19:36:26 <nusse> i'd like to use ULOG_ then
May 08 19:36:31 <nusse> or gdb
May 08 19:38:41 <RST38h> You can use GDB if you figure out the PID of the process that runs your plugin
May 08 19:38:56 <RST38h> I.e., use printfs :)
May 08 19:40:58 <Arkenoi> http://www.unxisco.com/faqs/ wow, aren't that drugs on controlled substances list? or do those guys have a prescription?
May 08 19:43:21 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Lawyers. They have all got prescriptions.
May 08 19:44:00 <MohammadAG> didn't this channel have about 500 users last year?
May 08 19:44:03 <nusse> RST38h: i don't even know which methods are being called and i don't see why i shouldn use ULOG
May 08 19:45:24 <RST38h> nusse:ULOG will probably work
May 08 19:45:49 <nusse> maybe i have to define OSSOLOG_COMPILE
May 08 19:54:43 <mc_teo> any html/css peeps here?
May 08 20:03:45 <Arkenoi> RST38h, they invested $25M in SCO! I wonder who owns that money and how do they feel about it.
May 08 20:08:23 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Some mutual funds. And they do not "feel" about it.
May 08 20:13:57 <Arkenoi> RST38h, something is damn wrong with economics if things like that are allowed and no one cares or questions the competence of people who manage other people's investments
May 08 20:16:12 <RST38h> Arkenoi: people who care do not invest into mutual funds.
May 08 20:19:17 <norayr> X-Fade: hey?
May 08 21:06:16 <pupnik> o/
May 08 21:06:22 <pupnik> be strong, people
May 08 21:23:21 <compengi> this is a second time happens that the virtual keyboard stops to popout
May 08 21:23:32 <compengi> it never happened before
May 08 21:24:03 <compengi> i use cssu version
May 08 21:31:51 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik: Iwarn you officially now, the 1.5th time
May 08 21:33:51 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik: next insult will cause action to be taken
May 08 21:35:02 <kerio> he's probably drunk
May 08 21:35:10 <pupnik> ok
May 08 21:35:13 <kerio> he's been talking shit all evening on #liqbase
May 08 21:35:30 <pupnik> i'm very angry right now
May 08 21:35:57 <pupnik> angry at the people who cause wars
May 08 21:36:13 <kerio> also his back hurts
May 08 21:36:45 <pupnik> you should see my fists
May 08 21:36:48 <Venemo> poor pupnik :(
May 08 21:36:49 <pupnik> they are so fast
May 08 21:37:08 <pupnik> come visit me Venemo
May 08 21:37:42 <Venemo> pupnik, I'm not comfortable around angry people
May 08 21:38:30 <pupnik> you're an ok guy, i think... maybe confused
May 08 21:38:44 <GAN900> pupnik, hush now. :P
May 08 21:39:20 <pupnik> bombs are lame GAN900
May 08 21:39:24 <compengi> very weird
May 08 21:39:52 <GAN900> pupnik, yes, but OT here if there've been complaints.
May 08 21:40:03 <DocScrutinizer> ack!
May 08 21:40:11 <DocScrutinizer> was pondering how to say it
May 08 21:40:34 <pupnik> i'm just saying i do NOT make bombs... that's LAME.
May 08 21:40:52 <jacekowski> i made a bombs myself
May 08 21:41:02 <jacekowski> not as efficient as i expected
May 08 21:41:12 <jacekowski> but it was very neat project
May 08 21:41:14 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: you did nothing there
May 08 21:41:21 <kerio> oh, there you go
May 08 21:41:30 <jacekowski> but hydrogen+oxygen reaction wasn't as powerfull as i wanted it to be
May 08 21:41:49 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik: another 12h do get sober
May 08 21:42:16 <kerio> jacekowski: it made water?
May 08 21:42:28 <jacekowski> yeah
May 08 21:42:35 <kerio> see that's your problem
May 08 21:42:47 <jacekowski> but hydrogen and oxygen is used to propel rockets and stuff
May 08 21:42:51 <kerio> you should've gotten for hydrogen + hydrogen
May 08 21:43:08 <jacekowski> i had H + H + O
May 08 21:43:15 <jacekowski> most explosive mix
May 08 21:43:18 <kerio> remove the O
May 08 21:43:24 <kerio> go for H + H => He
May 08 21:43:40 <Venemo> hahah
May 08 21:43:55 <BCMM> jacekowski: you had monatomic hydrogen?
May 08 21:44:09 <jacekowski> BCMM: for couple seconds
May 08 21:44:20 <jacekowski> during reaction
May 08 21:44:32 <jacekowski> well maybe milliseconds
May 08 21:44:40 <jacekowski> i'm not sure how long it takes for it to recombine
May 08 21:44:53 <SpeedEvil> ISTR it's of the order of the mean free path time
May 08 21:45:05 <SpeedEvil> Which is a few nanoseconds at STP IIRC
May 08 21:45:57 <jacekowski> but it's still explosive
May 08 21:46:03 <jacekowski> but not enough
May 08 21:46:27 <jacekowski> i think they have it at much higher pressure than i did
May 08 21:46:35 <SpeedEvil> Take liquid hydrogen, liquid oxygen, and then blend them.
May 08 21:46:38 <jacekowski> in liquid form
May 08 21:46:42 <SpeedEvil> Where di you get your H2 and O2 from
May 08 21:46:42 <jacekowski> i had them in gas form
May 08 21:46:51 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: water
May 08 21:47:09 <SpeedEvil> Made how?
May 08 21:47:19 <SpeedEvil> With what lectrodes?
May 08 21:47:19 <jacekowski> electricity
May 08 21:47:28 <jacekowski> don't remember now
May 08 21:47:32 <jacekowski> i think i've tried copper
May 08 21:47:33 <SpeedEvil> Platinised nioibum is the shizzle.
May 08 21:47:34 <jacekowski> and steel
May 08 21:47:44 <jacekowski> and aluminium
May 08 21:47:55 <SpeedEvil> You may in some cases get almost no O, as that will react with the electrode.
May 08 21:48:15 <jacekowski> aluminium should be ok
May 08 21:48:35 <DocScrutinizer> not at all
May 08 21:49:07 <jacekowski> anyways it did blow up
May 08 21:49:12 <jacekowski> made a loud bang
May 08 21:49:21 <jacekowski> but not big enough to blow up my school
May 08 21:49:28 <DocScrutinizer> aluminium tends to build up a passivating protective coat of AlO2(?) even at plain air
May 08 21:49:53 <Venemo> jacekowski :D:D:D
May 08 21:49:54 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: yeah and then it's not oxidising anymore
May 08 21:50:09 <DocScrutinizer> but that coating is instable
May 08 21:50:21 <DocScrutinizer> and probably isolating
May 08 21:51:20 <DocScrutinizer> I'd think Al could be fine for the hydrogen, but probably not for the oxigen
May 08 21:54:27 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: you know Al is oxidizing like mad at seaside?
May 08 21:55:22 <SpeedEvil> http://www.ti-shop.com/ti-anodes-electrodes/pt-ti-anode-electrode/1micron-pt-ti-rod-anode/1mm-dia-1-m-pt-ti-rod-anode.html
May 08 21:58:25 <Sazpaimon> whats a decent n900 screen protector
May 08 21:58:58 <Sazpaimon> not too rubbery, makes scratches less noticable, you know the deal
May 08 21:58:59 <kerio> Sazpaimon: a slab of steel, 8 inches wide
May 08 21:59:10 <kerio> it'll protect the screen
May 08 21:59:32 <Sazpaimon> herp
May 08 22:00:14 <Venemo> lol kerio
May 08 22:00:55 <SpeedEvil> I got a pack of 10 cheap ones - working for me.
May 08 22:01:54 <jacekowski> i have insurance
May 08 22:01:59 <Sazpaimon> does it work well with the stylus and touch?
May 08 22:02:01 <jacekowski> insurance with my bak account
May 08 22:02:05 <jacekowski> bank*
May 08 22:02:14 <jacekowski> it works out cheaper than screen protectors
May 08 22:02:39 <SpeedEvil> Would never work out for me.
May 08 22:03:01 <SpeedEvil> Consider also that if the n900 bites it, at some point in the near future, you won't get a repair.
May 08 22:03:17 <SpeedEvil> I destroy protectors quite regularly.
May 08 22:12:51 <DocScrutinizer> dangergrrl: please excuse the offense, I wasn't monitoring the chan back when
May 08 22:15:29 <kerio> s/w/t/
May 08 22:16:15 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: there's some timeout
May 08 22:17:01 <kerio> what timeout?
May 08 22:17:04 <kerio> i was correcting you
May 08 22:17:09 <DocScrutinizer> ooh
May 08 22:18:22 <DocScrutinizer> and you're sure about that?
May 08 22:21:29 <kerio> no
May 08 22:22:29 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/mcgraw-tim/back-when-13621.html
May 08 22:23:14 <DocScrutinizer> or meant you to say it's "tasn't" instead of "wasn't"
May 08 22:23:28 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: of course i did
May 08 22:23:44 <kerio> regular expressions are deterministic
May 08 22:24:17 <DocScrutinizer> I tasn't - that sounds like nonsense to me
May 08 22:24:50 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it should've been "I weren't"
May 08 22:25:28 <DocScrutinizer> nevermind, I got too old 23min ago
May 08 22:25:40 <kerio> is it your birthday?
May 08 22:53:50 <DocScrutinizer> nevermind
May 08 23:18:52 <cityLights> hi all
May 08 23:19:10 <cityLights> can I pls get help to anser a dbus signal every time
May 08 23:19:13 <cityLights> not only once
May 08 23:19:22 <cityLights> my code: http://dpaste.com/540186/
May 08 23:19:47 <cityLights> I reffer to line 23
May 08 23:19:54 <cityLights> sorry 32
May 09 00:02:14 <dangergrrl> DocScrutinizer: no offense, figured you would see the highlight later :)
May 09 00:02:55 <DocScrutinizer> highlight?
May 09 00:03:39 <DocScrutinizer> aah, fmtx. yw
May 09 00:03:49 <DocScrutinizer> I meant pupnik
May 09 00:05:23 <dangergrrl> i know it works now i just have to wire it up
May 09 00:10:20 <dangergrrl> rode to harbor freight and back think i  rode like 70 miles
May 09 01:13:35 <GeneralAntilles> More confusing social networking services.
May 09 01:13:38 <GeneralAntilles> Makes me feel old.
May 09 01:44:01 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: believe me, that's relative. And as long as it's only a feeling...
May 09 02:15:18 <iluminator101> how do import holiday calender into n900 main calender
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