**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 09 02:59:58 2011
May 09 03:53:47 <cityLights> can I pls get help to anser a dbus signal every time
May 09 03:53:52 <cityLights> my code: http://dpaste.com/540186/
May 09 03:54:23 <cityLights> in line 32 I hook the signal
May 09 03:54:33 <cityLights> but get it just once
May 09 04:51:12 <krayon> cityLights: Only speculation but some environments require you to re-hook every call.  I have no idea about this however.
May 09 04:52:55 <doc|home> is there any word on a replacement for the n900?
May 09 04:54:03 <dm8tbr> nokia promised to bring out their maemo6^wMeeGo device still this year...
May 09 07:20:46 * timeless_xchat sighs
May 09 07:21:06 <timeless_xchat> oh, in case people didn't notice, i'm no longer @nokia
May 09 07:21:20 <chx> sad :(
May 09 07:21:21 * timeless_xchat needs to file a bug about mfe
May 09 07:21:34 <chx> what's mfe?
May 09 07:21:40 <chx> Mail For Exchange?
May 09 07:21:51 <timeless_xchat> yes
May 09 07:25:17 <mece> timeless_xchat, so what do you do now?
May 09 07:28:26 <chx> timeless_xchat: WebOS maybe :) ?
May 09 07:29:46 <timeless_xchat> mece: sit around Wayne's coffee
May 09 07:29:56 <timeless_xchat> chx: i'm joining RIM actually
May 09 07:30:04 <chx> WOW
May 09 07:30:34 <timeless_xchat> but right now i'm syncing my n900 to gmail
May 09 07:32:11 * timeless_xchat gently pokes MfE
May 09 07:32:58 <timeless_xchat> it has synced mail, seems to be done w/ calendar, but hasn't started address book...
May 09 07:33:59 <timeless_xchat> anyway, i'm going to MeeGo conference, so i'll see people there
May 09 07:34:12 <timeless_xchat> afterwards, i'm pretty much going to disappear
May 09 07:34:21 <timeless_xchat> it's been a fun ride
May 09 07:34:40 <timeless_xchat> and i'll miss the people from #maemo
May 09 07:35:18 <chx> so is thee rumor true that MS buys RIM?
May 09 07:35:39 <timeless_xchat> dunno
May 09 07:35:46 <timeless_xchat> i'm not working for rim yet
May 09 07:35:59 <timeless_xchat> so i'm pretty much ignoring any news about it
May 09 07:36:07 <chx> heh
May 09 07:36:08 <timeless_xchat> too much stress
May 09 07:36:19 <timeless_xchat> i need to focus on selling my apartment
May 09 07:36:32 <chx> oh you are moving as well?
May 09 07:36:36 <timeless_xchat> note that i won't be working on blackberry
May 09 07:36:39 <timeless_xchat> yep
May 09 07:36:46 * timeless_xchat is going to toronto 
May 09 07:37:31 <timeless_xchat> woohoo, sync is almost done!
May 09 07:37:37 <timeless_xchat> grr
May 09 07:37:45 <chx> oh immigration?
May 09 07:37:51 <timeless_xchat> sync is done - #UIfail
May 09 07:38:01 <chx> i sympathise with that i did it in 2008
May 09 07:38:10 <chx> size down to three (and a half) suitcases
May 09 07:38:11 <chx> and go.
May 09 07:38:57 <timeless_xchat> nah, this includes a relocation package
May 09 07:39:23 <timeless_xchat> my biggest task after selling my apartment is inventoring for shipping insurance
May 09 07:39:43 <timeless_xchat> which will involve (literally) counting shot glasses
May 09 07:41:16 <timeless_xchat> hrm, anyone here try the j2me gmail app on their n900?
May 09 07:44:42 <timeless_xchat> grr
May 09 07:44:53 <timeless_xchat> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/microedition/midlet/MIDlet
May 09 07:52:53 <cityLights> I hooked my function to be called when the calender is changed and a msg appears in the dbus
May 09 07:53:06 <cityLights> but this is only called once, why?
May 09 07:53:54 <cityLights> I hooked my function to be called when the calender is changed and a msg appears in the dbus
May 09 07:53:58 <cityLights> but this is only called once, why?
May 09 07:54:40 <dm8tbr> stop repeating yourself, stop repeating yourself
May 09 07:54:56 <timeless_xchat> dm8tbr++
May 09 07:59:16 <cityLights> dm8tbr: sorry
May 09 07:59:24 <cityLights> had a few disconections here
May 09 07:59:33 <cityLights> and didnt see an answer
May 09 07:59:51 <cityLights> I guess I need to wait
May 09 08:00:20 <dm8tbr> yep, most likely
May 09 08:00:20 <timeless_xchat> so, the actual dbus hook you used would be worth mentioning
May 09 08:00:43 <timeless_xchat> or your code (pastebin ), or a ref to the docs you're reading..
May 09 08:01:39 <cityLights> yes: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72876
May 09 08:02:10 <cityLights> I published this as it works , but it is not finished
May 09 08:05:02 <timeless_xchat> so you mean the dbChanged thing?
May 09 08:05:11 <timeless_xchat> i'd try dbus-monitor
May 09 08:05:46 * timeless_xchat kicks java
May 09 08:07:42 <cityLights> timeless_xchat: thanks a lot
May 09 08:07:59 <cityLights> do you mean the dbus monitor program
May 09 08:08:13 <cityLights> I have the msg of the calender change
May 09 08:08:24 <cityLights> and I do catch the signal pnce
May 09 08:08:26 <cityLights> once
May 09 08:08:41 <cityLights> need I end the main loop and restart it?
May 09 08:10:10 <timeless_xchat> eep
May 09 08:10:24 <timeless_xchat> your 'start' method is confused
May 09 08:10:31 <cityLights> eep?
May 09 08:10:37 <timeless_xchat> it's mixing control flow logic
May 09 08:10:44 <timeless_xchat> with ui logic
May 09 08:10:55 <timeless_xchat> split it into "update_ui"
May 09 08:11:25 <timeless_xchat> and "event_loop"
May 09 08:11:44 <timeless_xchat> the __main__ would call both
May 09 08:11:49 <cityLights> but the start() has no UI in it
May 09 08:12:04 <timeless_xchat> but i'm pretty sure you want everyone else to just call "update_ui"
May 09 08:12:21 <timeless_xchat> the active user profile is a "ui"
May 09 08:12:33 <timeless_xchat> it isn't *your* ui, but it is a ui
May 09 08:12:43 <cityLights> o ok
May 09 08:12:53 <cityLights> pls show me what you mean
May 09 08:13:06 <cityLights> I also need to add a UI to run this
May 09 08:13:20 <cityLights> and I am new to pygtk , but it seems easy
May 09 08:14:17 <Termana> good morning
May 09 08:14:43 <cityLights> hi
May 09 08:16:55 <timeless_xchat> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1221527
May 09 08:18:50 <timeless_xchat> it /looks/ like you were nesting event loops
May 09 08:19:00 <timeless_xchat> which is unlikely to do the right thing
May 09 08:19:45 <cityLights> when the calender is changed, I need to terminate all and restart
May 09 08:20:18 <cityLights> so I need self.loop.quit() at the start of calender_chaged()?
May 09 08:22:43 <timeless_xchat> err
May 09 08:24:10 <timeless_xchat> wow
May 09 08:24:18 <timeless_xchat> i think i might have gmail working
May 09 08:24:30 <cityLights> what is all the noise about?
May 09 08:24:47 <cityLights> everyone has gmail - no?
May 09 08:25:15 <timeless_xchat> the java version?
May 09 08:25:25 <timeless_xchat> gmail has about a dozen ui's
May 09 08:25:42 <timeless_xchat> x, h, ui=2 (+buzz)
May 09 08:25:50 <timeless_xchat> pop, imap, mfe
May 09 08:25:54 <timeless_xchat> java
May 09 08:26:05 <cityLights> o ok
May 09 08:26:06 <timeless_xchat> + iOS
May 09 08:26:20 * timeless_xchat is probably missing a couple 
May 09 08:31:57 <timeless_xchat> of course microemulator is available from the repos....
May 09 08:36:39 <edheldil> timeless_xchat:  there are slight differences, though
May 09 08:37:34 <edheldil> i.e. some app working on dumb phones does not work in Microemu
May 09 08:38:06 <dashavoo> :q
May 09 08:38:11 <dashavoo> ah shit, sorry
May 09 08:38:26 <dashavoo> I wanted to close my screen session... not awake yet... thought it was vim
May 09 08:39:22 <timeless_xchat> heh
May 09 08:39:48 <timeless_xchat> edheldil: well... something is better than nothing
May 09 08:40:07 <timeless_xchat> and something someone else packages is better than me wasting time packaging
May 09 08:41:45 <timeless_xchat> i don't suppose you can suggest some apps that work?
May 09 08:43:42 <edheldil> I have tried only one app I was interested in and it did not work (due to loading gauge), but I have not (yet) bothered to try deleting it and recompile
May 09 08:45:27 <MohammadAG> sigh
May 09 08:45:50 <timeless_xchat> gmail doesn't seem to load
May 09 08:45:51 <MohammadAG> no one knows what curly brackets in curl means
May 09 08:46:04 <timeless_xchat> gmaps gets stuck @license screen
May 09 08:46:10 <timeless_xchat> mohammadag: ?
May 09 08:46:32 <mece> MohammadAG, LOL
May 09 08:46:49 <MohammadAG> timeless_xchat, something like curl -F variable={variableX=value, variableY=value}
May 09 08:47:37 <timeless_xchat> -sh: curl: not found
May 09 08:47:41 <timeless_xchat> :)
May 09 08:47:57 <mece> MohammadAG, is there a question in there somewhere?
May 09 08:48:02 <timeless_xchat> braces are often handled by shells
May 09 08:48:38 <Corsac> and my curl manpage doesn't have anything about braces in -F paragraph
May 09 08:48:40 <MohammadAG> not if they're in between quotes (which I forgot above)
May 09 08:49:19 <MohammadAG> hmm, I'm surprised that qxmpp has headers but no .so files
May 09 08:49:23 <MohammadAG> is that even possible?
May 09 08:50:11 <timeless_xchat> ooh, i should use hermes!
May 09 09:09:37 * timeless_w7ip kicks icd2 + hermes
May 09 09:09:48 <timeless_w7ip> hermes forces a network connection
May 09 09:09:55 <timeless_w7ip> if it doesn't get a connection, it asks again
May 09 09:10:01 <timeless_w7ip> and it keeps asking until you kill it
May 09 09:10:46 <timeless_w7ip> and if you're stupid enough to try to go offline, you get pestered to go online
May 09 09:11:15 <timeless_w7ip> and that dialog seems to be system modal
May 09 09:13:56 <MohammadAG> timeless_w7ip, same happens with the media player
May 09 09:30:47 <jacekowski> same happens with anything
May 09 09:31:00 <jacekowski> i've had gps do it
May 09 09:31:04 <jacekowski> when i was abroad
May 09 09:31:17 <jacekowski> in my pocket
May 09 09:31:34 <jacekowski> i've ended up paying quite a bit roaming charges
May 09 09:31:39 <edheldil> the reliance on network connection is ugly, especially with gps :/
May 09 09:46:47 <timeless_w7ip> media player?! why!?!!
May 09 09:57:06 <mer_ge> is there lightning for icedove in easy debian?
May 09 10:02:29 <khertan> Morning
May 09 10:23:45 <MohammadAG> timeless_w7ip, no idea, but it annoyed me a lot at one point I switched to mplayer that day
May 09 10:24:50 <timeless_w7ip> heh
May 09 10:24:54 * timeless_w7ip sighs
May 09 10:24:57 * timeless_w7ip kicks facebook
May 09 10:25:06 <timeless_w7ip> it keeps rolling me over onto http instead of https
May 09 10:25:20 <MohammadAG> so switch to https in settings?
May 09 10:26:32 <chem|st> morning
May 09 10:26:41 <MikaT> MohammadAG: mediaplayer does not need network connection by itself. Have you by any chance used some Last.FM scrobbler or some other MAFW plugin that wants the connection?
May 09 10:27:49 <MohammadAG> Not sure MikaT
May 09 10:27:53 <MohammadAG> probably yeah
May 09 10:29:56 <MikaT> That might be it. I use mafw-lastfm and works without connection too. I think it has a cache and spits all the scrobbled tracks when the device is in network afterwards.
May 09 10:40:33 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_w7ip: hi!
May 09 10:41:38 <DocScrutinizer> I deplore to hear you stopped working for Nokia/maemo
May 09 10:41:50 <DocScrutinizer> but then...
May 09 10:42:03 <DocScrutinizer> when's your NDA expiring?
May 09 10:42:50 <DocScrutinizer> moin chem|st
May 09 10:44:58 <timeless_w7ip> mohammadag: it keeps resetting to http
May 09 10:44:58 <timeless_w7ip> and the settings actually claim to be using https
May 09 10:44:58 <timeless_w7ip> afaict
May 09 10:45:18 <timeless_w7ip> docscrutinizer: yep. i resigned
May 09 10:45:33 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_w7ip: actually I would think you probably mustn't work on crackberry for the next year or so
May 09 10:45:57 <DocScrutinizer> assuming you got a standard contract with Nokia
May 09 10:46:29 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, probably my freelancer biased POV
May 09 10:49:00 <timeless_w7ip> i'm not working on Blackberry
May 09 10:49:26 <timeless_w7ip> i couldn't find anything exciting in my contract
May 09 10:49:28 <timeless_w7ip> we did look
May 09 10:56:44 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_w7ip: normal employee's contract then. Freelancers tend to find some § in their contracts forbidding any knowledge transfer by excluding a number of jobs for next few years (or months)
May 09 10:57:40 <DocScrutinizer> in your case this might have been browser development for embedded
May 09 10:59:18 <DocScrutinizer> my question about your NDA was from similar POV
May 09 10:59:29 <merlin1991> I think I remember someone using hostmode on the n900 and also charching it at the same time, how was that done, or is that just wishfull thinking on my side?
May 09 10:59:46 <DocScrutinizer> ~hostmode-charging
May 09 11:00:02 <DocScrutinizer> ~hostmode-powered
May 09 11:00:04 <infobot> rumour has it, hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203
May 09 11:00:42 <merlin1991> thx Doc
May 09 11:00:51 <DocScrutinizer> yw
May 09 11:01:07 <DocScrutinizer> tell me if it works for you
May 09 11:01:39 <merlin1991> or if it burns the device ;)
May 09 11:01:46 <DocScrutinizer> nah!!!
May 09 11:02:20 <DocScrutinizer> dn't mess with things you got no clue, follow my advice, and nothing bad will happen
May 09 11:02:45 <merlin1991> so I shouldn't use the press all buttons untill something happens approach? :D
May 09 11:03:30 <DocScrutinizer> you're free to do that, my instructions and apps/scripts always are fool safe to that degree for sure
May 09 11:04:50 <DocScrutinizer> and I always STRONGLY DISCOURAGE all things that might potentially do any harm
May 09 11:05:29 <cityLights> ok, now that all you guys are here , I may get some help in design
May 09 11:05:35 <DocScrutinizer> I STRONGLY DISCOURAGE to edit the involved scripts unless you know *exactly* what you're doing
May 09 11:05:58 <cityLights> DocScrutinizer: hi
May 09 11:06:24 <DocScrutinizer> cityLights: hi, and no - I'm no developer :-)
May 09 11:06:32 <SpeedEvil> I on the other hand strrongly encourage - but only if you take video for youtube.
May 09 11:06:43 <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXJgAmft2jI&feature=player_embedded - how to solar power your n900.
May 09 11:06:46 <DocScrutinizer> and got no friggin clue neither about python nor about dbus
May 09 11:06:50 <cityLights> my main loop in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1221527 chks for a meeting then sleep untill then
May 09 11:07:15 <cityLights> DocScrutinizer: ok ok
May 09 11:07:51 <cityLights> I am seeking advice about gobject and callbacks
May 09 11:08:21 <cityLights> is there anyone that can help me call a method while I am in a timeout event?
May 09 11:09:14 <DocScrutinizer> I can help you ask smarter questions :-D
May 09 11:09:47 <DocScrutinizer> post a link to your pastebin, with a ref to the particular line, so others really know what's your problem
May 09 11:09:57 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: the first paragraph in your post had me confused untill I spottet the double negative :D
May 09 11:10:14 <DocScrutinizer> mompls
May 09 11:11:55 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, I'm poor at writing good texts. My brain works like that
May 09 11:12:28 <DocScrutinizer> there's not really any double negation in there
May 09 11:13:52 * DocScrutinizer considers backus-naur
May 09 11:14:17 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: link to the article
May 09 11:14:24 <merlin1991> it's a double negative to my twisted mind, where you go on about then plugging the charger -> if after -> not before
May 09 11:14:30 <DocScrutinizer> I doubt that'd be any easier to understand
May 09 11:15:03 <chem|st> in english double negative form is not positive but more negative
May 09 11:15:05 <DocScrutinizer> do NOT apply 5V to N900 before hitting vboost
May 09 11:15:06 <cityLights> SpeedEvil: very nice idea that solarfire
May 09 11:15:36 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: I said it had me confused, I realized it after reading it for the 5th time :P
May 09 11:15:41 <DocScrutinizer> do NOT plug unpowered charger to the Y-cable when that Y-cable already is attached to N900
May 09 11:17:33 <DocScrutinizer> so there are TWO valid modes: either plug charger to wall, to y-cable, then plug in y-cable to N900 after hitting vboost
May 09 11:17:35 <DocScrutinizer> or
May 09 11:18:33 <DocScrutinizer> plug y-cable to N900, plug charger to wall, then plug charger to y-cable after hitting vboost
May 09 11:18:50 <DocScrutinizer> first variant is better
May 09 11:19:45 <merlin1991> the setup i have in mind is external hdd -> n900 -> tv
May 09 11:19:57 <DocScrutinizer> np
May 09 11:20:52 <merlin1991> looking at the charcher script though is scary
May 09 11:20:59 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
May 09 11:21:11 <DocScrutinizer> you must not look at the charger script ;-P
May 09 11:21:16 <trx> haha
May 09 11:23:01 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: link? ~hostmode-powered  Double negation? I know the diff from German to English and because of that diff never do that noways :-P
May 09 11:24:02 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: double negation in german is boring, the fun starts when the twisted mind writing the text actually does triple negation :D
May 09 11:24:16 <cityLights> DocScrutinizer: ok , let me see if I took you advice:
May 09 11:24:26 <cityLights> my code is here: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1221611
May 09 11:24:42 <DocScrutinizer> my advice ? o.O
May 09 11:25:11 <cityLights> I seek advice with line 31
May 09 11:25:29 <merlin1991> yep that last line is appling your advice doc ;)
May 09 11:25:29 <cityLights> I need to understand why it is triggered only once
May 09 11:25:33 <cityLights> and how to fix it
May 09 11:26:05 <DocScrutinizer> aah, that advice, yeah excellent :-D
May 09 11:27:12 <DocScrutinizer> now you only need to make sure this wasn't to me but to all knowledgeable users in this channel ;-D
May 09 11:27:31 <merlin1991> ping * ? :D
May 09 11:27:50 <DocScrutinizer> please anybody can you help cityLights with above problem ^^^
May 09 11:28:11 <merlin1991> cityLights: so you only get that dbChange signal once?
May 09 11:28:54 <cityLights> fixed: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1221612
May 09 11:29:26 <cityLights> I forgot to fix all of the places I was asked to use event_loop()
May 09 11:29:41 <cityLights> ok, now its ok, but my problem is not solved
May 09 11:29:52 <cityLights> merlin1991:yes
May 09 11:30:03 * merlin1991 looks at new class based code now
May 09 11:30:18 <cityLights> I agree that I am getting the signal when I am in a loop
May 09 11:31:09 <cityLights> so do I first need to loop.quit() in calender_changed() ?
May 09 11:31:52 <cityLights> is there any more thing I need to fix so it will be easy to read?
May 09 11:34:28 <cityLights> is he still drunk?
May 09 11:34:36 <DocScrutinizer> dunno
May 09 11:40:06 <DocScrutinizer> well, I hope infobot will tell him
May 09 11:41:27 <DocScrutinizer> please PING me if he's going mad again
May 09 11:43:36 <merlin1991> cityLights: I think I found the problem
May 09 11:43:44 <cityLights> YES!
May 09 11:43:47 <merlin1991> in calender_changed
May 09 11:43:53 <merlin1991> you for some reason stop the mainloop
May 09 11:44:13 <merlin1991> taking from the pygobject docs: The quit() method stops the mainloop from running. Any subsequent calls to the run() method will return immediately.
May 09 11:44:54 <merlin1991> hm wait
May 09 11:45:10 <cityLights> ok, I added it as without it , this method is only called once
May 09 11:45:12 <merlin1991> you do create a new mainloop on each call of event_loop
May 09 11:45:20 <cityLights> even if I change the calender twice
May 09 11:45:29 <cityLights> right
May 09 11:46:23 <DocScrutinizer> sounds weird
May 09 11:47:43 <cityLights> I am new to gobjects so I ask
May 09 11:48:09 <cityLights> should I kill the main loop and create a new one when the calender is chnaged?
May 09 11:48:24 <cityLights> this has more to do with gtk then python
May 09 11:49:36 <merlin1991> there are a few things odd in your code
May 09 11:50:00 <merlin1991> for instance, the timer_callback, why does it start the event_loop again?
May 09 11:53:16 <cityLights> merlin1991: hmm maybe I dont need to restart the event_loop
May 09 11:55:20 <merlin1991> you shouldn't need to start teh event loop in the timer callback since it should be still running in the bg
May 09 11:55:39 <cityLights> merlin1991: thanks I removed lines 104 and 106 and now its ok
May 09 11:56:17 <merlin1991> I'd get rid of the former line 113 in timer_callback
May 09 11:56:19 <cityLights> how to quit this program? is stop() correct? just self.loop.quit() ?
May 09 11:56:44 <merlin1991> where you also start the even_loop from a call that came from the event loop
May 09 11:56:51 <cityLights> ok,
May 09 11:58:10 <cityLights> my second question is: is the design right: one class doing the work and one for the ui?
May 09 11:58:38 <merlin1991> I can't answer the second question, since I've never done anything but hobby work on my own :D
May 09 11:58:46 <merlin1991> but about the quit
May 09 11:58:53 <cityLights> how should the UI know is the backend is running? should it keep its own self.running_flag ?
May 09 11:58:54 <merlin1991> you should stop the backend event loop
May 09 11:58:58 <merlin1991> -> self.loop.quit
May 09 12:00:52 <merlin1991> and the gtkmain quit too
May 09 12:04:16 <cityLights> that is on the ui side
May 09 12:04:22 <cityLights> ok
May 09 12:04:30 <cityLights> thanks a lot
May 09 12:04:49 <cityLights> this place helps when one is too lazy
May 09 12:05:13 <merlin1991> also to know if the backend is running
May 09 12:05:27 <merlin1991> you're using python -> self.backend.loop.is_running()
May 09 12:07:08 <merlin1991> also I see you have a status funciton in the backend too
May 09 12:07:45 <merlin1991> ps, never say you asked here because you're lazy some souls in here don't like that at all ;)
May 09 12:12:59 <mece> MohammadAG, ping
May 09 12:16:57 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: indeed
May 09 12:17:01 <DocScrutinizer> ~question
May 09 12:17:01 <infobot> methinks question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
May 09 12:18:02 <DocScrutinizer> lazy==luser
May 09 12:18:58 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: do you have your lart ready?
May 09 12:22:08 <DocScrutinizer> I got infobot doing that for me. She's good at lart
May 09 12:24:20 <DocScrutinizer> however cityLights is a funny fool, claiming he's lazy while he actually is quite interested in learning, and not at all asks for spoonfeeding solutions to him
May 09 12:26:22 <DocScrutinizer> reading smart-questions doesn't hurt anyway. I do it regularly, like twice a year
May 09 12:29:33 <DocScrutinizer> of course everybody tends to be 'lazy' in the way cityLights probably meant, but you better think twice about stating it, and also you better limit that habit to a reasonable amount
May 09 12:31:47 <cityLights> I agree
May 09 12:32:06 <cityLights> but when one invokes on concoring a new skill
May 09 12:32:53 <cityLights> one usually asks for googles help
May 09 12:32:54 <cityLights> and after some irelevent reading gets stock
May 09 12:33:03 <cityLights> then I got a working skelaton , and become lazy
May 09 12:33:05 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 09 12:33:27 <cityLights> in the sense that I just need to go past a certain point , to continue working
May 09 12:33:46 <cityLights> and this is where IRC is the best companian
May 09 12:34:05 <DocScrutinizer> there's nothing wrong in asking more experienced developers to give advice
May 09 12:34:57 <merlin1991> the only problem here is with me being "more experienced" :D
May 09 12:35:15 <cityLights> IMHO
May 09 12:38:30 <cityLights> where should i ask next time?
May 09 12:43:31 <DocScrutinizer> cityLights: here of course
May 09 12:44:45 <cityLights> ok , so I will wait for shapeshifter or other python developpers
May 09 12:46:27 <renato> Hi, Who I can ask to remove a broken package from the maemo repository?
May 09 12:48:46 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade
May 09 12:53:54 <renato> X-Fade, I have uploaded the new pyside packages but for some reason the i386 packages is broken ("Size mismatch"). Can you remove these packages ("pyside-1.0.2-1maemo2")?
May 09 13:07:42 <MohammadAG> where is X-Fade?
May 09 13:09:27 <X-Fade> renato: Maybe 2 builds have been running at the same time. Due to the way our caching network works, things break when you 'update' a file with something else.
May 09 13:10:10 <X-Fade> renato: The quick fix is to increment the epoch and resubmit. I can clean the old version but it takes a long time for it to expire from cache.
May 09 13:28:15 <LuisCarlos> Hi Everybody. Does anyone knows where is the config for HAM update interval? I do not want HAM to look for updates, I'd like to do it manually.
May 09 13:29:07 * GAN900 catches up on the MeeGo/Maemo and Harmattan thread.
May 09 13:29:12 <GAN900> What a mess.
May 09 13:29:50 <MohammadAG> I'd assume updates are done by the applet
May 09 13:30:04 <MohammadAG> removing the applet should stop updates
May 09 13:30:49 <chem|st> LuisCarlos: there is no thing as stopping it
May 09 13:31:03 <chem|st> LuisCarlos: the interval is set in gconf
May 09 13:31:52 <MohammadAG> /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/ham-notifier.desktop /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/ham-updates.desktop
May 09 13:31:55 <MohammadAG> one of those
May 09 13:32:00 <MohammadAG> or both
May 09 13:33:19 <chem|st> MohammadAG: that doesn't stop the update but the msg, does it?
May 09 13:33:31 <chem|st> LuisCarlos: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check
May 09 13:35:35 <MohammadAG> chem|st, probably does
May 09 13:36:34 <MohammadAG> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/lib/hildon-desktop] > grep /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval *
May 09 13:36:34 <MohammadAG> Binary file ham-notifier-status-menu-item.so matches
May 09 13:36:34 <MohammadAG> Binary file ham-updates-status-menu-item.so matches
May 09 13:36:50 <MohammadAG> removing the plguins disables updates all in all then, rather than delaying them for a long time
May 09 13:42:01 <Arkenoi> "Select connection" dialog is damn stupidiest thing in maemo UI. If there is NO connection available, a) WHY ASK b) WHY ASK AD NAUSEAM?
May 09 13:43:45 <SpeedEvil> On a related matter - is there any way to say 'connect automatically only to this wifi network' ?
May 09 13:45:15 <LuisCarlos> chemlst: thanks for the answer!
May 09 13:46:38 * Arkenoi wishes software updates could use FAM
May 09 13:50:53 <LuisCarlos> Curious thing is that, now that I check, I changed that parameter a while ago, but still I receive update notifications.
May 09 13:51:11 <LuisCarlos> Maybe, it is when I've removed/added a new repository.
May 09 14:09:55 <joga> is there some way to make the n900's camera appear as /dev/videoX on a remote host? gstreamer loopback or something?
May 09 14:10:42 <joga> ie. I could use its camera as a webcam with stuff like opencv etc
May 09 14:11:00 <SpeedEvil> Well - you can run opencb on the n900 in principle.
May 09 14:11:12 <SpeedEvil> Also, in principle, you could code a USB video driver.
May 09 14:11:17 <SpeedEvil> This would be quite handy.
May 09 14:11:25 <SpeedEvil> However, I don't think such exists already.
May 09 14:11:33 <SpeedEvil> USB video class gadget driver
May 09 14:11:41 <SpeedEvil> So the n900 would appear as a UISB webcam
May 09 14:13:12 <joga> I don't have the time nor the skills to code such a driver right now :) I'm just trying to find simple and cheap way for a moving robot to see. I already found smartcam which seems great, but doesn't run on maemo (it runs on symbian/winmo/bada/android though)
May 09 14:13:46 <SpeedEvil> There should be no great problems getting opencv to run on teh n900
May 09 14:13:51 <joga> it's not that big of a problem, I tried smartcam with my symbian work phone and it worked nicely, but the phone has a poor camera
May 09 14:14:04 <joga> yeah I have it running
May 09 14:14:12 <joga> its performance is just not enough
May 09 14:14:16 <SpeedEvil> I've also used mencoder to do something similar
May 09 14:14:31 <SpeedEvil> Just encode the stream to a pipe, and shove it over the network.
May 09 14:14:39 <joga> or, well, it might be for fiducials, but I'm not sure if all the stuff I want exists for maemo
May 09 14:14:42 <SpeedEvil> There can be a fair bit of delay if you do that though.
May 09 14:15:13 <joga> yeah that sounds the simplest, I have some vague memory of doing some loopback stuff with gstreamer which was kind of like that, but can't remember how
May 09 14:33:24 <N900_VcfCards> hello..:)
May 09 14:33:53 <N900_VcfCards> trying to find where under Xterm, i could see/modify VcfCards
May 09 14:42:13 <N900_VcfCards> quit
May 09 14:59:52 <GAN900> PSN relaunching May 31st.
May 09 15:00:25 <GAN900> They must be working to 3 or 4 in the afternoon everyday to meet that deadline. . . .
May 09 15:02:25 <GAN900> "Yes, the service will have been down for 41 days, but we'll give you a free month for your trouble!"
May 09 15:07:23 <RST38h> GAN: Ain't you happy, punk? =)
May 09 15:17:57 <GAN900> RST38h, oh tickled. It's so much fun to watch.
May 09 15:37:10 <BCMM> is there a way to open a URL in the web browser, from the command line?
May 09 15:46:31 <MohammadAG> dbus
May 09 16:05:52 <chem|st> MohammadAG: the correct answer is "yes" ;)
May 09 16:07:11 * RST38h moos at wazd evilly
May 09 16:08:11 <MohammadAG> chem|st, lol
May 09 16:08:21 <RST38h> wazd: what is with that extra pompous provider domain? =)
May 09 16:11:47 <RST38h> yahoo: http://gizmodo.com/#!5655514/want-to-know-if-the-fbi-is-tracking-you-look-for-one-of-these
May 09 16:12:12 <RST38h> and the same gadget, disassembled: http://gizmodo.com/#!5799948/heres-what-that-fbi-tracker-looks-like-when-you-tear-it-apart
May 09 16:14:47 <Corsac> hmhm, links don't work here
May 09 16:15:25 <Corsac> gizmodo.com redirects to .fr, somehow
May 09 16:22:18 <GAN900> Ron Paul's car? Classy.
May 09 16:26:54 <Arkenoi> wow, worth getting one for batteries, they must be expensive.
May 09 16:27:57 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Should get yourself onto terrorism watchlist first!
May 09 16:28:11 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Hack CIA or something
May 09 16:37:37 <Arkenoi> RST38h, there is urban legend about KGB guys whining to a "target" asking to get their equipment (microphones and recorder) back because they are going to be punished for losing it :-)
May 09 16:38:06 <Arkenoi> late 70s i think
May 09 16:38:54 <joga> heh back in the soviets our car and home was tapped
May 09 16:40:26 <joga> in the summers when we went bacj to finland for a while there was a mandatory car inspection where they removed their devices, and sometimes left some wires hanging
May 09 16:40:30 <joga> *back
May 09 16:40:37 <d1b> ha!
May 09 16:41:13 <Arkenoi> why not remove it yourselves (and keep it)? :-)
May 09 16:41:24 <chem|st> who wasn't tapped?
May 09 16:41:28 <joga> I don't think they would have liked that
May 09 16:41:37 <Arkenoi> joga: did you really care?
May 09 16:41:44 <joga> nah, I was a small child
May 09 16:44:09 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Yeah, I know this one
May 09 16:44:20 <RST38h> Arkenoi: And it does sound authentic enough, ironically
May 09 16:48:46 <DocScrutinizer51> damn, a radio studio on wheels, for free, plus guaranteed audience. I for sure would get lyric
May 09 16:51:15 <DocScrutinizer51> "hey Marge, have you noticed thst blue van? You know that Lada with those two guys standing in our road all the time. Last night I've seen guys in a blue van watching that Lada"
May 09 17:00:22 <RST38h> Doc: Actually,there is a 70-80s joke about
May 09 17:01:01 <RST38h> Doc: With KGB officer calling some dissidents during a home concert and asking them to pause, because he has run out of tape
May 09 17:01:32 <RST38h> Doc: And the dissidents telling him not to worry, as they will give him their own tape to copy
May 09 17:01:48 <jaska> :D
May 09 17:02:05 <DocScrutinizer51> hehe
May 09 17:43:25 <LarsN> if the application manager has run into apt-get dependancy hell.  is there a link on how to un-stick it?
May 09 17:45:22 <MohammadAG> the app manager ignores all warnings
May 09 17:45:28 <MohammadAG> and can ruin the system
May 09 17:45:34 <MohammadAG> I'm pretty sure it can't unruin it
May 09 17:48:32 <LarsN> alright then
May 09 17:48:35 <LarsN> re-flash it is :)
May 09 17:48:45 <LarsN> well, going to start with some command line foo.
May 09 17:48:50 <LarsN> if that fails then I'll reflash.
May 09 18:11:12 <LarsN> apt-get remove for the win!
May 09 18:21:30 <Pillum> hey, when trying to create a egl context on N900 all I get is a bad config on Pillum eglCreateWindowSurface
May 09 18:21:32 <Pillum> this is my code
May 09 18:21:33 <Pillum> http://pastebin.com/ztLhUWqD
May 09 18:43:15 <Vanadis> hai thar
May 09 18:43:28 <Vanadis> someone using symfonie on the n900 here?
May 09 18:43:59 <Vanadis> i'm encountering serious stuttering-bugs here
May 09 18:45:16 <vi__> yo
May 09 18:45:58 <vi__> how can I re-arrange the icons in the menu of the n900? i.e. force them all to alphabetical order
May 09 18:47:02 <RST38h> http://images57.fotki.com/v139/photos/5/1738335/9557424/ipoo-vi.jpg
May 09 18:47:12 <joga> SpeedEvil, for the record, got it working hackily using "gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! udpsink host=... port=..." on N900 and "gst-launch-0.10 udpsrc port=5000 ! jpegdec ! ffmpegcolorspace ! v4l2loopback device=/dev/video0" on PC
May 09 18:47:42 <joga> had to try like three different video loopback thingies and hunt around the forum posts :)
May 09 18:48:06 <joga> after that I can use for example the opencv facedetect sample and it finds the n900 as a webcam
May 09 18:48:31 <joga> but unfortunately reacTIVision didn't work with it, I'll need to check if there's some setting I can do with it
May 09 18:49:21 <joga> also had to get v4l2loopback and gst-v4l2loopback from here  https://github.com/umlaeute
May 09 19:37:49 <DocScrutinizer> joga: nice find anyway
May 09 19:39:21 <DocScrutinizer> joga: and I don't think it's particularly hackish
May 09 19:56:27 <SpeedEvil> joga: neat!
May 09 20:42:12 <thomas_sch> hey I installed nitdroit without adding an entry for maemo in multiboot can I force booting maemo using flasher?
May 09 20:54:53 <Sicelo_>  thomas_sch... better not use nitdroid in the first place
May 09 20:56:17 <Sicelo_> multiboot reportedly breaks devices..
May 09 20:57:41 <thomas_sch> I like having android as my second os and up till now multiboot never failed on me (the one time it failed was my fault)
May 09 21:04:33 <DocScrutinizer> hah
May 09 21:05:06 <DocScrutinizer> last week we had an average of >2users(day who got fsckd by multiboot
May 09 21:05:55 <DocScrutinizer> meanwhile I'm considering to not only ask for ban of multiboot pkg on maemo, but also to ban multiboot topic on this channel
May 09 21:10:20 <DocScrutinizer> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=multiboot  ENJOY! :-P
May 09 21:14:53 <thomas_sch> I think I will reflash the init
May 09 21:20:15 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: how about a MaemoWeekly column "WTF app of the week (/month/whatever)" - multiboot definitely qualifies for that title for 2010Q4 and 2011Q1
May 09 21:27:46 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: there've been sound remarks about multiboot being dangerous to the device and thus MUST get removed from extras and extras-testing
May 09 21:28:40 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: I support that notion
May 09 21:29:35 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: multibot wears out NAND by way too many useless flashing of kernel, and it breaks all "normal" upgrade procedures
May 09 21:30:26 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: uninstalling it is nonsense as you'll have to flash afterwards anyway... So you can start over with flashing right away
May 09 21:31:17 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, hit up the Packages interface.
May 09 21:31:23 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: and it's causing nothing but trouble to talk users out of their borked system
May 09 21:32:00 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: elaborate please
May 09 21:32:07 <GAN900> Extras QA has a process in place for complaints.
May 09 21:32:16 <DocScrutinizer> aaah OK
May 09 21:32:21 <GAN900> Easier to get the right eyes on it through there.
May 09 21:32:41 <GAN900> The package instance page for it should have a comments section.
May 09 21:32:54 <GAN900> And there may be a tracker you can file a bug under.
May 09 21:34:11 <DocScrutinizer> duh, not going to file a bug for a prog I don't dare to touch ;-D
May 09 21:35:02 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: see what you did ;)
May 09 21:36:49 <piggz> lo, does anyone know what im missing in my debian/ files to fix the following error im getting on the auto builder, but not locally
May 09 21:36:53 <piggz> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libQtLocation.so.1 needed by debian/pgz-latitude-widget/usr/lib/hildon-desktop/pgz-latitude-widget (ELF format: 'elf32-littlearm'; RPATH: '').
May 09 21:38:46 <piggz> locally, that error is just a warning
May 09 21:51:30 <Venemo> piggz, does your control file have correct build dependencies?
May 09 21:53:31 <MohammadAG> in this case libqtm-dev
May 09 21:53:47 <MohammadAG> also it seems you're providing a binary to the builder
May 09 21:58:58 <piggz> Venemo: MohammadAG: yes, it was a dep, but i found that because it is in a non standard location (/opt/qtm...) you have to export LD_LIBRARY_PATH in the control file
May 09 21:59:31 <Venemo> piggz, hm, interesting. I use only libqtm-sensors, but I didn't have such an issue
May 09 21:59:40 <piggz> MohammadAG: sure?? the build just suceeded, and i used -sa -S
May 09 22:00:16 <piggz> Venemo: yeah, i didnt have a problem with -sensors in space-invaders
May 09 22:01:05 <Venemo> piggz, the trick for -sensors is that I needed to add it to build depends too, because libqtm-dev didn't bring it in
May 09 22:02:30 <piggz> Venemo: i'll look at that trick tomorrow...gnight
May 09 22:02:45 <Venemo> piggz, good night
May 09 22:02:58 <GAN900> No Fear Shakespeare is the required edition. What is this world coming to.
May 09 22:13:43 <BCMM> i had a problem with the MyDocs filesystem, which seems to be fixed since doing a fsck on it
May 09 22:13:49 <BCMM> however, tracker seems to be broken now
May 09 22:14:05 <BCMM> i can't see any photos in the photos app, or any music in the media player
May 09 22:14:16 <BCMM> (opening music or photos from the file manager works fine)
May 09 22:15:07 <BCMM> how can i get tracker to forget everything and just redo its DB
May 09 22:15:52 <SpeedEvil> rm
May 09 22:16:02 <rm_work> ?
May 09 22:16:03 <rm_work> :P
May 09 22:17:41 <SpeedEvil> ~/.cache/tracker/
May 09 22:17:42 <MohammadAG> tracker-processes -r
May 09 22:18:00 <SpeedEvil> nuke file*
May 09 22:18:02 <SpeedEvil> IIRC
May 09 22:20:13 <BCMM> MohammadAG: is that a command to run, and is it an alternative or in addition to what SpeedEvil said?
May 09 22:26:54 <BCMM> MohammadAG: thanks, i read tracker-processes --help and did -r
May 09 22:33:12 <BCMM> what does tracker do apart from photos and music?
May 09 22:33:22 <lcuk> tracks things
May 09 22:34:13 <BCMM> lcuk: i know, but which things?
May 09 22:34:29 <BCMM> i mean, if i tell it to monitor only my photos and music directory, will i notice?
May 09 22:34:59 <BCMM> i have a suspicion that tracker is part of why fcamera hangs up when shooting lots of photos in quick succession
May 09 22:38:59 <SpeedEvil> ~/.config/tracker/
May 09 22:39:06 <SpeedEvil> you can tell it what dirs to watch
May 09 22:41:13 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: yes, i'm doing that
May 09 22:41:26 <BCMM> just wondering which features i could miss from limiting it
May 09 22:44:22 <BCMM> ok, it appears to be building me a brand new tracker DB now
May 09 22:44:32 <BCMM> thanks
May 09 23:23:38 <merlin1991> khertan: ping
May 09 23:29:00 <compengi> how can i activate the phone lock on startup, as before or after it asks for the sim pin
May 09 23:29:20 <lolcat> compengi: I did that once,  in the menu
May 09 23:31:19 <compengi> lolcat, how
May 09 23:36:04 <compengi> and btw, does anyone has issues with playing videos from topgear.com? when i click to play on any video, it tell me that it's currently not available. on iphone 4 the video plays though. and when i select a second video from that page at the botton, the browser freezes
May 09 23:37:27 <lolcat> compengi: Security? It is at the bottom of the settings menu. I don't have my N900 here so i can't know
May 09 23:39:03 <compengi> lolcat, well.. to activate that, i need to set a time interval to lock the phone. i don't want that. i want to have the phone locked when it starts
May 09 23:40:53 <lolcat> ah
May 09 23:42:43 <SpeedEvil> compengi: I would wonder if it's a flash version issue.
May 09 23:42:49 <SpeedEvil> (topgear)
May 09 23:44:09 <compengi> SpeedEvil, did you experience the same thing?
May 09 23:45:01 <SpeedEvil> I have never looked at topgear.com - I use iplayer
May 09 23:45:05 <SpeedEvil> well - get_iplayer
May 09 23:45:42 <DocScrutinizer> either flash version, or even browser-id
May 09 23:45:58 <DocScrutinizer> or JS sh*t
May 09 23:46:23 <DocScrutinizer> no, I don't even know topgear
May 09 23:46:52 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer: You never heard of topgear?
May 09 23:46:56 <SpeedEvil> Topgear is a remake of Desperate Housewives - loosely remade around cars.
May 09 23:47:54 <SpeedEvil> compengi: Oh. Where are you?
May 09 23:48:30 <lolcat> SpeedEvil: Desperate Housewives started 2007, we've had topgear since '01
May 09 23:48:42 <nox-> he was joking :)
May 09 23:48:55 <SpeedEvil> compengi: It's working 'fine' for me.
May 09 23:49:30 <SpeedEvil> Quotes as it hits 7fps or so
May 09 23:50:08 <compengi> DocScrutinizer, i never visited that website too, but we were in a voodafone shop today to check out some new phones out there, there was this samsung 2 core on android, it was sooo laggy on that website. htc on android was fine with it. so i was just curious how it works on maemo. the loading is pretty cool.. and it doesn't lag even when the site isn't fully loaded, but the flash and the freeze..
May 09 23:50:15 <compengi> SpeedEvil, oh really?!
May 09 23:50:24 <SpeedEvil> compengi: Where ar eyou?
May 09 23:50:31 <compengi> SpeedEvil, germany
May 09 23:50:36 <SpeedEvil> If you are outside the UK, it likely won't work.
May 09 23:50:43 <compengi> oh?
May 09 23:50:50 <SpeedEvil> Does it work on your desktop?
May 09 23:51:00 <compengi> SpeedEvil, but it does on iphone4
May 09 23:51:03 <compengi> yup
May 09 23:51:07 <SpeedEvil> Umm...
May 09 23:51:30 <SpeedEvil> Odd.
May 09 23:51:38 <SpeedEvil> Over the same net connection as the desktop?
May 09 23:51:49 <compengi> yeah
May 09 23:51:54 <compengi> same network
May 09 23:52:28 <SpeedEvil> I've got no idea. I diddn't try playing all the videos, just the top on.
May 09 23:52:29 <SpeedEvil> e
May 09 23:52:53 <compengi> SpeedEvil, try clicking on any video at the bottom
May 09 23:53:05 <compengi> does your browser freeze?
May 09 23:53:31 <SpeedEvil> I've stuck the n900 on charge now - so I can't reach it.
May 09 23:54:31 <DocScrutinizer> I just notice every time I try to open a hit of google search via context menu in "new window", I end with a second window showing google search result list rather than the linked site
May 09 23:54:49 <DocScrutinizer> seems that's clearly some JS bug
May 09 23:56:41 <compengi> SpeedEvil, i get "the video you are trying to watch is currently unavailable. please come back soon."
May 09 23:56:43 <DocScrutinizer> or even a bug in microb/hildon/dbus/whatever
May 09 23:57:10 <compengi> SpeedEvil, are you using gssu update?
May 09 23:57:22 <SpeedEvil> compengi: no
May 09 23:57:37 <compengi> SpeedEvil, aha..
May 09 23:57:38 <compengi> i do
May 09 23:57:58 <DocScrutinizer> what's gssu update?
May 09 23:58:12 <compengi> cssu*
May 09 23:58:15 <compengi> :(
May 09 23:58:16 <DocScrutinizer> aah
May 09 23:58:30 <SpeedEvil> I watched the 458 thingy at the top of the topgear.com/videos/ page
May 09 23:59:00 <compengi> SpeedEvil, pretty cool, right?
May 09 23:59:27 <compengi> idk where is the second episode of it
May 09 23:59:34 <compengi> it must be a race
May 10 00:01:04 <DocScrutinizer> plays here, Germany, microb, cssu
May 10 00:01:12 <SpeedEvil> I diddn't watch all of it, as I'm waiting on a video stream starting.
May 10 00:01:41 <compengi> DocScrutinizer, do you think it has something todo with the community update? because i'm feeling more like i have more issues rather than noticable fixes. and the virtual keyboard issue wasn't present before
May 10 00:01:45 <compengi> DocScrutinizer, oh
May 10 00:01:48 <compengi> :/
May 10 00:02:23 * GeneralAntilles chuckles.
May 10 00:02:51 <GeneralAntilles> I found the 1st American edition Harry Potter #1 I've had since elementary school.
May 10 00:03:14 <compengi> DocScrutinizer, then why it doesn't work here?
May 10 00:03:33 <DocScrutinizer> dunno, bottom ones as well play here
May 10 00:03:33 * SpeedEvil looks at his wand.
May 10 00:03:55 <compengi> very weird
May 10 00:04:37 <compengi> i will try tomorrow at the university
May 10 00:04:40 <DocScrutinizer> I'd prefer it would open in mediaplayer though
May 10 00:05:12 <compengi> DocScrutinizer, cutetube is a nice application. high quality flash and really fast
May 10 00:05:34 <compengi> not a 240p in original format :P
May 10 00:05:45 <DocScrutinizer> aah yes, I see - friggin flash
May 10 00:06:36 <GeneralAntilles> Goes for about $1500 in good shape, but mine's a little water damaged: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5704882727/
May 10 00:06:48 <nox-> too bad get_iplayer suffers from geoblocking (even tho i dont watch that particular show :)
May 10 00:07:53 <compengi> DocScrutinizer, can you imagine 2 core 1ghz per core and laggy on this website? i looked at my phone and felt better :P
May 10 00:09:40 <DocScrutinizer> since flash11 I can't watch 60% of youtube on my pentium-dualcore 1.6GHz
May 10 00:10:11 <nox-> haha
May 10 00:10:16 <compengi> lol
May 10 00:10:29 <DocScrutinizer> that's when I started to hate flash, nah actually adobe
May 10 00:10:35 <nox-> flash is fail in soo many ways...
May 10 00:10:39 <compengi> DocScrutinizer, but on htc with same android version, it works very smoothly
May 10 00:11:18 <nox-> DocScrutinizer, http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1063323&cid=26128419
May 10 00:11:21 <compengi> DocScrutinizer, it was even laggy on the desktop
May 10 00:12:04 <DocScrutinizer> or maybe it was when the 3rd month in a row I got a warning from cert.de about vulnerabilities in flash, and had to learn this doesn't bother Nokia nor adobe, for the N900
May 10 00:13:16 <nox-> yeah `security' is the other big fail
May 10 00:13:20 <nox-> of flash
May 10 00:13:43 <nox-> there was a jawdropping chaos congress talk about that...
May 10 00:13:58 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, seen that
May 10 00:14:04 <nox-> :)
May 10 00:14:07 <DocScrutinizer> flash, the hidden OS
May 10 00:14:41 <DocScrutinizer> or was it pdf?
May 10 00:14:47 <nox-> yeah and with ugly old code kept for backwards-compatibility
May 10 00:15:06 <nox-> pdf is similar i guess now
May 10 00:15:13 <nox-> (that was a later talk)
May 10 00:16:03 <nox-> and excel sheets can embed flash too, the madness never ends...
May 10 00:16:22 <nox-> (and the exploits :)
May 10 00:16:24 <DocScrutinizer> hail apple for banning flash from iphone
May 10 00:16:47 <DocScrutinizer> seems I said that 2 days ago, when someone called me mad
May 10 00:16:48 <nox-> yeah thats one of the few good things about apple
May 10 00:18:06 <nox-> this was the flash talk:  http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3494.en.html
May 10 00:18:17 <nox-> http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/26C3/mp4/26c3-3494-de-defending_the_poor.mp4
May 10 00:20:08 <DocScrutinizer> look at this: http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?obj=24821- seems video without flash can be done
May 10 00:21:02 <DocScrutinizer> works nicely on my N900
May 10 00:21:18 <DocScrutinizer> even via 3G
May 10 00:21:33 <DocScrutinizer> in mediaplayer
May 10 00:22:04 <nox-> looks like embedded mediaplayer plugin
May 10 00:22:26 <nox-> i.e. what ppl did before flash video became popular
May 10 00:22:55 <nox-> (and i had to drop the last - from your link)
May 10 00:23:42 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?obj=24821&mode=play
May 10 00:23:53 <DocScrutinizer> c&p error
May 10 00:24:34 <nox-> yeah same one
May 10 00:29:36 <DocScrutinizer> what puzzles me is it doesn't work for settings h264
May 10 00:38:10 <DocScrutinizer> well, on my laptop it doesn't play at all, as does your link above. Video is borked on this laptop
May 10 00:41:35 <fusi[n900]> hmm
May 10 00:42:43 <fusi[n900]> oc'd @ 1ghz - stable in every way apart from transferring large files from sd to mydocs :(
May 10 00:43:12 <DocScrutinizer> so what?
May 10 00:43:36 <fusi[n900]> even just setting to lv with no speed increase causes reboots :(
May 10 00:44:07 <DocScrutinizer> running my incandescent bulbs @ 300V. Totally stable, except for heat
May 10 00:44:31 <fusi[n900]> weird that its only cpying files fails
May 10 00:44:39 <fusi[n900]> thts all
May 10 00:45:28 <DocScrutinizer> wait a short while, other permanent irreversible fails will follow soon
May 10 00:45:49 <fusi[n900]> mm
May 10 00:46:32 <DocScrutinizer> ~oc
May 10 00:46:33 <infobot> oc is probably an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s
May 10 00:46:42 <DocScrutinizer> ~overclocking
May 10 00:46:43 <infobot> "OK, listen up.  This is your CPU."  apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan.  "This is your CPU on overclocking.  Any questions?"
May 10 00:46:48 <DocScrutinizer> and
May 10 00:46:52 <DocScrutinizer> ~omap-oc
May 10 00:46:53 <infobot> hmm... omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05  read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11
May 10 00:47:34 <fusi[n900]> :)
May 10 00:55:15 <fusi[n900]> hehe ok
May 10 00:55:25 <fusi[n900]> point understood
May 10 00:56:01 <fusi[n900]> understood doc
May 10 00:56:36 <DocScrutinizer> sorry
May 10 00:56:47 <DocScrutinizer> and haha, got banned on some channels
May 10 00:57:34 <fusi[n900]> :)
May 10 00:58:12 <fusi[n900]> im thinking the kwiki should be updated
May 10 00:58:18 <fusi[n900]> -k
May 10 00:58:31 <fusi[n900]> if it rly is that bad
May 10 01:10:01 <fusi[n900]> reboot
May 10 01:13:59 <cehteh> btw i got my bicycle dynamo recharge thing today ... of course i had to solder a micro usb cable since there was no adapter with it
May 10 01:14:11 <cehteh> but after that it works really nicely
May 10 01:14:13 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 10 01:14:25 <SpeedEvil> It is a regulated 5V out?
May 10 01:15:19 <cehteh> http://www.miniwiz.com/products/energy/dynamo-reecharge
May 10 01:17:24 * SpeedEvil has been pondering getting a rather larger battery for his bike.
May 10 01:17:47 <SpeedEvil> (10Ah, 48V)
May 10 01:18:01 <cehteh> with a dynamo hub i dont really need a big battery, its just for buffering
May 10 01:18:21 <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/48V-20AH-LiFePO4-Battery-Rechargeable-Electric-Bike-Kit-/130502832653?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6293320d
May 10 01:19:20 <SpeedEvil> Maybe not quite that large.
May 10 01:20:18 <SpeedEvil> Above would run the n900 for most of a year. :)
May 10 01:20:36 <cehteh> yes and its fun to carry along :P
May 10 01:21:05 <cehteh> besides you certainly forget to recharge after 350 days ... :P
May 10 01:22:29 <SpeedEvil> The idea would be more that it carries me along. :)
May 10 01:22:48 <cehteh> mhm this small nokia charger adapter which came with the n900 .. has really some second use as heating and pizza oven :P
May 10 01:23:03 <cehteh> thats not biking anymore :P
May 10 01:23:03 <SpeedEvil> It is reportedly quite warm
May 10 01:23:27 <cehteh> i just testing it
May 10 01:23:37 <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately health means that it's problematic to bike normally.
May 10 01:23:44 <SpeedEvil> I get tired way too easily.
May 10 01:23:49 <cehteh> ok
May 10 02:41:42 <pauly_> hi i have n900 anyone want to buy it
May 10 02:42:11 <pauly_> broken usb port
May 10 02:42:13 <lolcat> heh
May 10 02:42:24 <pauly_> i in usa
May 10 02:42:27 <lolcat> I am getting a refund for mine because of that
May 10 02:42:52 <pauly_> lolcat do u like android
May 10 02:43:01 <lolcat> Nope
May 10 02:43:04 <lolcat> It is shit
May 10 02:43:24 <lolcat> If I want a tablet/gaming-device, I'll buy one
May 10 02:43:34 <lolcat> I want my phone to handle communication well
May 10 02:43:38 <lolcat> The N900 does that
May 10 02:43:42 <pauly_> idk im thinking of galaxy s 2
May 10 02:43:57 <lolcat> I am stuck with a HTC Desire now
May 10 02:44:02 <lolcat> It is BOOORING :P
May 10 02:44:12 <lolcat> And it sucks for texting/chatting
May 10 02:44:41 <pauly_> i like n900 but the microB is slow compared to webkit
May 10 02:44:49 <pauly_> idk what to do
May 10 02:44:52 <lolcat> Tried firefox?
May 10 02:45:01 <pauly_> worse
May 10 02:45:12 <pauly_> no real twitter app
May 10 02:45:15 <lolcat> And yeah, surfing is faster on a new phone with 1ghz cpu, and shitloads of ram
May 10 02:45:50 <pauly_> the galaxy s II is dual core arm
May 10 02:46:02 <pauly_> 1080p video recording
May 10 02:46:32 <pauly_> but android is werid you cant close an app
May 10 02:47:26 <lolcat> 1080p video recordin sux with a that small lence unless it is really good ligth
May 10 02:47:32 <lolcat> lense*
May 10 02:47:43 <lolcat> And you don't have windows in the same sence
May 10 02:48:09 <pauly_> idl im stuck inbetwwen i found a my touch 3g htc android phone
May 10 02:48:15 <pauly_> for free
May 10 02:48:41 <pauly_> and like andoird
May 10 02:49:14 <xd13> i love n900 but its getting old quick
May 10 02:49:39 <xd13> i hope nokia pulls through makes an n950 running meego
May 10 02:49:42 <pauly_> same
May 10 02:49:55 <xd13> i'm even considering leaving a hardware keyboard for a faster phone now
May 10 02:50:07 <pauly_> idk i installed meego on aspire one and it seems boring
May 10 02:50:26 <lolcat> I'd rather have Maemo than Meego
May 10 02:50:30 <xd13> anyone know if you can put a super clean rom on the android phones
May 10 02:50:37 <xd13> ya i'm lovin maemo on n900
May 10 02:50:45 <lolcat> I think I migth go with three phones xD
May 10 02:51:01 <pauly_> anyone know of an usa carrier with unlimited web
May 10 02:51:04 <lolcat> N900, N97 mini, and a fast android phone
May 10 02:51:18 <xd13> i'm on unlimited web on tmobile
May 10 02:51:37 <pauly_> dont they cap u
May 10 02:51:41 <lolcat> Like you can dowload a TB on your phone?
May 10 02:51:44 <pauly_> im on tmobile
May 10 02:51:46 <xd13> i pay 60/month
May 10 02:51:55 <xd13> i've never gotten capped
May 10 02:52:08 <xd13> maybe there is one but when i log onto my acct online it says unlimited
May 10 02:52:22 <pauly_> they say 2gbs and after that it goes to EDGE
May 10 02:52:29 <xd13> hmm
May 10 02:52:43 <xd13> i'm not goign 2 purposely start download something just to give it a test
May 10 02:52:50 <pauly_> so im like wtf and they want $30 for 5gbs
May 10 02:53:19 <xd13> because all the companies are getting super greedy
May 10 02:53:28 <xd13> no one is using their minutes anymore
May 10 02:53:32 <pauly_> im in baltimore and glaxy s hspa+ got 15 mbps down
May 10 02:53:37 <xd13> they already profit so much from txting because it costs them nothing
May 10 02:53:58 <xd13> and all the companies want to end net neutrality and control it
May 10 02:54:09 <pauly_> i think n900 is 10 down
May 10 02:55:05 <pauly_> i want to switch but im scared
May 10 02:56:16 <pauly_> maybe if theres nice webkit browser for maemo and real twitter app
May 10 02:56:33 <pauly_> i would stay
May 10 02:57:46 <pauly_> anyone want to buy my n900 with broken usb port
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