**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 13 02:59:58 2011 May 13 06:53:52 hi , anyone awake? May 13 07:08:57 cityLights: I'd be in trouble if I wasn't, being at work an' all :P May 13 07:09:19 I worte a program that needs to stay resident May 13 07:09:32 I now want to add a UI to start and stop it May 13 07:10:09 should my program be a class and I create an instance in the UI May 13 07:10:19 or should it be a stand alone May 13 07:10:44 I mean - I am new to UI May 13 07:11:08 I would basiclly runthe program from a shell and use ctrl-c to kill it May 13 08:32:44 back, May 13 08:33:01 can anyone pls help me with the UI issue I asked about? May 13 09:30:14 hey guys, i have some understanding problems with python and dbus. code: http://pastebox.de/OPs34ahihF/ both console commands and openBrowser() works fine, but the request in mafwNext() can not be found. can someone give me a hint whats going wrong? May 13 09:32:43 I think your call is somwhat different May 13 09:33:19 I've never used dbus really, but it looks like there's differences in format between the two calls - that dest option looks like it's missing in your call May 13 09:33:32 Hukka: is tracker aware of flac? if not it wont show in media* May 13 09:35:49 @robbiethe1st yes you are right, but this missing text part came from try-and-error coding :D May 13 09:36:09 try putting "com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer" in there somewhere May 13 09:36:56 Probably as the first string in bus.get_objexct May 13 09:39:16 same here: The name com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer was not provided by any .service files May 13 09:39:45 Keep trying, messing with that and removing chunks May 13 09:39:52 I've no clue really May 13 09:43:34 hmh... when i add "--system --type=method_call" to the console command (like the browser command line) then it fails too... now whats the python code difference between "--system --type=method_call" and "" May 13 09:52:18 chem|st: It used to be May 13 10:00:44 ruskie, ping May 13 10:03:35 aww dbus.SessionBus() instead dbus.SystemBus() :D May 13 10:08:28 chem|st: (tracker aware...) depends on what codec support is installed, I think May 13 10:08:58 chem|st: iirc my tracker is aware of flac May 13 10:08:58 ruskie, disregard the ping, I've found an alternative :) May 13 10:09:42 but only after I installed some codecs-extended support pkg May 13 10:10:09 psycho_oreos, erm May 13 10:21:09 Morning May 13 10:31:25 morn May 13 10:32:38 Hukka: apt-cache search flac May 13 10:33:54 Hukka: I think you need: decoders-support, tracker-extractor-flac May 13 10:34:44 pick others as you feel may fit May 13 10:42:46 I m playing currently with qml and the rss demo, while it s load on desktop, it didn't load rss item on my Maemo n900. How can i debug that and understand what happen ? May 13 10:47:45 http://aa.net.uk/telecoms-mobile.html - wow. May 13 10:47:52 * SpeedEvil wishes all ISPs were this awesome. May 13 10:48:09 (unfortunately, they charge a bit highly too) May 13 10:48:35 I mean - allowing you to setup your APN to (effectively) point to a random internet IP. May 13 10:50:37 Hukka: chem|st: http://paste.debian.net/116846/ HTH May 13 10:51:11 SpeedEvil: duh, what? May 13 10:51:52 they allocate arbitrary IPs for you? May 13 10:52:19 for sure not in public IP space, i.e. globally visible May 13 10:52:39 You connect to - effectively - 'your' APN May 13 10:54:50 wow May 13 10:55:11 I actually wonder how that's implemented May 13 10:55:18 relayed? May 13 10:56:08 darn, I wish coffee would kick in - I seem to have forgotten how IPs are assigned in internet :-o May 13 10:57:29 isn't that a strictly hierarchical system where your "backbone switch" has to allow you some particular IP? May 13 10:59:06 so if range 10.0.0.0 - 10.0.255.255 is of provider A and I get assigned a particular IP out of that range, how is this SIM service going to "steal" that IP? May 13 11:01:21 sure the SIM APN could tunnel via VPN to 'my' APN, but that defeats the purpose of "backup hot standby" as they suggested in that website May 13 11:02:25 if im reading it right you're conjoining 2 different options for the service May 13 11:02:52 you can simply get a data connection using a fixed block of ip addresses, *or* you can route the connection through your own l2tp server May 13 11:02:53 >>and can have your block of IPv4 addresses as DSL backup over 3G<< May 13 11:02:56 if i'm reading it right May 13 11:03:46 I'm really lost on how that works May 13 11:04:34 I get the >> Our data SIMs all have fixed IPv4, and can hav..." part May 13 11:05:01 but that's an IP out of their assigned IP range May 13 11:05:27 not possible to mimic the IP I get for my DSL May 13 11:05:59 yes, yes, OT: is the someplayer doing fine, does it work with the mediaplayer widget or does it have it's own, is managing playlists easier? May 13 11:06:38 why does that service sound like we offer VoIP on a cell phone? May 13 11:06:52 I tested it, found it somewhat obfuscated, and forgot about it May 13 11:07:03 ok so NO May 13 11:07:41 it's versatile but somehow inconsistent non-intuitive GUI May 13 11:07:41 that 'home'IP fallback is considered to have your home internet on that provider so they manage it,no? May 13 11:08:24 well, if my DSL and that SIM are same provider, then it's no problem May 13 11:08:58 back to init5 May 13 11:09:10 init5? May 13 11:09:13 :-D May 13 11:09:43 rc5.d ? May 13 11:10:22 chem|st: are you looking for a better player than the default one? Me too ... May 13 11:10:45 edheldil: actualy something to manage playlist properly would be fine May 13 11:10:59 (and why oh why can't that damned widget start player if it is not running already???) May 13 11:11:16 ??? May 13 11:11:29 it is capable of doing that, but in a obscured way similarly non-intuitive to most other players I know of May 13 11:11:31 had no problems with the widget since 1.3 May 13 11:11:33 maybe even worse May 13 11:12:05 edheldil: widget starting player works fine here May 13 11:12:35 (it is capable) was about someplayer May 13 11:12:45 give it a try, YMMV May 13 11:13:19 seems it has all you possibly want, if you manage to figure how to do it May 13 11:14:07 also iirc it's no real FOSS May 13 11:14:35 DocScrutinizer: thanks ... strangely it started it now, so I was talking BS :) May 13 11:14:43 np May 13 11:15:29 Maybe I should create a table comparing different players, feature by feature May 13 11:15:44 the pocketsphinx PoC- pythonscript also is doing weird controstions to start mediaplayer May 13 11:16:34 while there's a staightforward dbus-way to pop up mediaplayer on "playing now" tab May 13 11:16:45 without any errormsgs May 13 11:17:24 DocScrutinizer: the mediaplayer or a mediaplayer? May 13 11:18:06 the 'mediaplayer' May 13 11:18:15 actualy both May 13 11:18:34 afair there is some start-default-player May 13 11:19:06 don't know if it came through to pr1.3 as there was not made use of May 13 11:21:57 of course you can have some mimetype assignment to start arbitrary apps on "clicking on" a *.mp3 May 13 11:22:27 but I'm talking about thatdbus mafw thing May 13 11:26:45 actully: dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer open_mp_now_playing #(hail bash history!! \o/) May 13 11:28:14 mmmpf May 13 11:28:32 >>dbus-send: Data item "open_mp_now_playing" is badly formed<< May 13 11:29:30 MohammadAG: au secours May 13 11:29:52 hey, i have the same problem :D May 13 11:30:25 Papayawhip: which of the 365? May 13 11:30:39 mafw May 13 11:30:52 that the buttons do not work? May 13 11:31:11 yep May 13 11:31:17 ok May 13 11:31:18 and dbus May 13 11:31:53 which dbus May 13 11:31:57 the cmd May 13 11:32:18 com.nokia.mafw.renderer.play May 13 11:32:25 ? May 13 11:33:05 no, i mean the dbus call to check if the mediaplayer ist actually playing May 13 11:33:06 afaik that needs a fle to play as argument May 13 11:33:22 *is May 13 11:33:36 DocScrutinizer: Already had those installed May 13 11:33:44 hmm May 13 11:34:10 DocScrutinizer: .play starts the current selected track from the beginning May 13 11:34:11 then some reset cmd to tracker should make it re-index and consider flac as well May 13 11:34:18 DocScrutinizer: Doesn't help May 13 11:34:20 First thing I tried May 13 11:34:25 playing a file: dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.mime_open string:"file:///..." May 13 11:34:27 weird May 13 11:34:30 Yeah May 13 11:34:31 works good May 13 11:36:07 I'm trying to downgrade next, I saw a tip for that on t.m.o May 13 11:36:48 you might run into some weird mimetype conflict when you got multiple players installed (only wild handwaving) May 13 11:37:12 check your .desktop files (grep flac) May 13 11:37:30 I don't have any... May 13 11:37:35 hmm May 13 11:37:39 And opening from file manager works fine May 13 11:37:51 And the mediaplayer notices the metadata May 13 11:37:59 It just isn't in the album or artist index May 13 11:38:01 that suggests you actually have a mimetype for .flac May 13 11:38:40 I once have seen a lengthy list of file extensions tracker is looking at, forgot where though May 13 11:38:56 some cfg or whatever file May 13 11:39:23 or a cfg.d/* May 13 11:39:26 or whatever May 13 11:39:42 Papayawhip: when your "what is playing now" doesn't work something else is wrong and th widget cannot handle a IDK state May 13 11:39:44 output of some tracker-* cmd May 13 11:39:59 I really fail to recall May 13 11:40:43 "apt-get install --reinstall ogg-support=1.0.5" worked fine May 13 11:41:01 chem|st: I'm DAMN sure I tested that dbus cmd and it opened player on "now playing" 'tab' May 13 11:41:06 chem|st: i know wich media file is selected (artist, album and so on) but i dont know if its playing... (to render a play or pause button) May 13 11:41:54 Hukka: \o/ though :-o May 13 11:42:42 pretty please consider to file a ticket on bugtracker May 13 11:43:03 (I can't ATM as I fsckd up my tracker completely lately) May 13 11:44:33 Hukka: /usr/share/tracker/services/default.service must have flac for music... May 13 11:44:47 hah!!! thanks chem|st May 13 11:45:07 DocScrutinizer: I bow down to fgrep May 13 11:45:31 heh May 13 11:45:42 Good old Unix tools save the day May 13 11:46:39 every single day May 13 11:46:47 yeah and I am sitting on a windows machine having pendrivelinux running in a qemu 2 putty windows open... May 13 11:47:22 DocScrutinizer: did you mean dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.open_mp_now_playing ? there is a missing "." May 13 11:47:25 ohm my mocp died... May 13 11:47:59 where? May 13 11:48:06 debian qhezzy May 13 11:48:11 whezzy May 13 11:48:20 weird May 13 11:48:38 DocScrutinizer: last param, last section May 13 11:48:43 something is wrong with the playlistfile it seems May 13 11:50:13 Papayawhip: so can't you paste the correct call here? May 13 11:50:59 i did May 13 11:51:13 ooh May 13 11:51:26 Yo guys. I'm looking at a web page that has an SVG image. Works fine in firefox, IE and iphone, but the image doesn't show up in my browser on the N900. Any ideas why the SVG option is disabled? May 13 11:52:15 Coke: link pls May 13 11:52:18 sorry i meant "there _was_ a missing.." my fu**ing english :D May 13 11:52:42 Papayawhip: you tested that? May 13 11:52:54 I think it looks wrong May 13 11:53:14 yes, it works May 13 11:53:25 o.O May 13 11:53:35 bj-n900:/opt/lv# dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.open_mp_now_playing May 13 11:53:35 method return sender=:1.237 -> dest=:1.307 reply_serial=2 May 13 11:53:40 thanks, will test in 5min May 13 11:54:13 Coke: ? May 13 11:54:24 hang on May 13 11:54:39 chem|st: http://lohmanders.se/test/index.sv.html May 13 11:56:12 http://palita.net/wiki/Datei:Tux.svg just tried that one and it worked... May 13 11:57:01 or http://palita.net/w/images/3/35/Tux.svg as direct link May 13 11:57:09 chem|st: that doesn't help me though May 13 11:57:22 I want my SVG to show, I can't use another SVg. May 13 11:57:48 just validated the page and the SVG, it's all valid. May 13 11:57:54 Coke: you send a link to a page and not to an svg... where do I go there? May 13 11:57:54 Even IE 8 shows it, albeit no animation May 13 11:58:08 chem|st: that page is supposed to contain an SVG May 13 11:58:32 http://lohmanders.se/test/images/decor/comp_animation.sv.svg May 13 11:58:35 that's the actual SVG May 13 11:58:44 and how can I tell if it is missing if the page looks normal to me? May 13 11:59:28 chem|st: because I wrote the page May 13 11:59:29 Tävla&vinn... shows May 13 11:59:39 yeah its supposed to show in the lower right corner May 13 11:59:46 as it is rendered in every other browser ive tried May 13 11:59:51 mhh May 13 12:00:07 ff 3, 4, ie 8 and 9 and iphone May 13 12:00:28 ff 3 was tested on linux and windows, both work nice even animates May 13 12:00:42 maemo browser has some issues where pages end May 13 12:00:46 chem|st: haha, what's the sound of a falling tree, when nobody listens to it? May 13 12:00:58 DocScrutinizer: ^^ May 13 12:00:59 maemo has some issues, period. can't be 4 years behind the rest of the world. May 13 12:01:42 Coke, does it work in fennec? May 13 12:02:01 maemo FF does render it May 13 12:02:09 Coke: file a bug May 13 12:02:25 auenf: yes May 13 12:02:27 chem|st: it's hard to tell if sth looks odd when you never looked at the right thing before May 13 12:02:37 so its probably fixed by using a newer build of microb May 13 12:02:42 chem|st: nah. i guess n900 owners just wont be able to compete then May 13 12:02:48 or get a real browser May 13 12:02:58 Coke: there is fennec... May 13 12:02:58 chem|st: thanks for verifying tho May 13 12:03:12 write a bug report pls May 13 12:03:28 microb buildconfig does have --enable-svg May 13 12:03:31 chem|st: yeah, I just wanted to verify that it is indeed broken on N900, I'm good with 99.9999% accessibility May 13 12:03:43 Papayawhip: indeed, it works :-D May 13 12:03:54 wasnt sure if it was the SVG, the HTML or maemo's browser, but now I know. May 13 12:03:55 that page really doesn't look like any thought has been given to mobile browsers anyway May 13 12:04:01 but its gecko 1.9.2b6 May 13 12:04:16 Trewas: works fine on my N900 except for the SVG not showing May 13 12:04:18 but fennec is brkóke too May 13 12:04:19 wonder if a firefox of that same gecko will fail the svg... May 13 12:04:53 Coke: may work, but very big 1024xsomething page is not exactly phone-friendly May 13 12:05:25 Trewas: my phone has a zoom May 13 12:05:25 Coke: I would say if you are sure it is not the code... as the svg can be loaded in the browser May 13 12:05:42 it just does not load on that page May 13 12:05:43 chem|st: works fine on every other browser I've tried May 13 12:05:44 fennec is unusable :( May 13 12:05:48 and that covers 99.99999% of the users May 13 12:05:52 Coke: that is not important May 13 12:05:57 Yes it is. May 13 12:06:04 Coke, which version of firefox did you try? May 13 12:06:11 I can quite comfortably ignore myself and the three other N900 users in this country. :) May 13 12:06:21 (i know both of them so I can just tell them) May 13 12:06:29 opera update for diablo \o/ May 13 12:06:30 auenf: 3 and 4 on win and lin May 13 12:06:39 3 or 3.5? May 13 12:06:48 3.6 even i think May 13 12:06:58 Coke: if you want it on M5 microb it doesn't matter and as I am able to load that svg with microb I would say there might be something wrong at your side May 13 12:07:19 chem|st: it is validated 100% on W3C May 13 12:07:20 but as I do not know your code... May 13 12:07:35 chem|st: and it work in browsers that do use gecko. May 13 12:07:40 and whatever it is MS is using May 13 12:07:45 and iphone, i think webkit? May 13 12:07:57 Coke: I can write websites w3c valid without anything loading in i.e opera... May 13 12:07:57 I might try it on opera just to be safe and include the 0.1% that use opera. May 13 12:08:03 hmm, pester timele... *cough* May 13 12:08:24 * SpeedEvil sighs. May 13 12:08:29 oh yeah May 13 12:08:31 DocScrutinizer: \o/ :D May 13 12:08:34 * DocScrutinizer too May 13 12:08:39 Coke: again THE DAMN SVG loads in microb just not on the website May 13 12:08:59 chem|st: works fine in Opera too May 13 12:09:10 so microb has no problem with the svg but how it is called May 13 12:09:23 chem|st: I replaced the SVG with an animated GIF, still missing on N900 May 13 12:09:24 :nod: May 13 12:09:26 but it's ok May 13 12:09:28 and it shows "alternative" May 13 12:09:39 I see the text instead May 13 12:09:46 i dont even see that May 13 12:09:55 using the default browser of N900 anyway May 13 12:10:09 I gotta split and pick up a case of beer before they close. May 13 12:10:17 there's a zillion ways to fsckup a html page, even a w3c tested one May 13 12:10:21 Coke: would you mind to pastebin the lines?! May 13 12:10:31 DocScrutinizer: +5 May 13 12:10:46 chem|st: can't you watch the 'source' e.g in konqueror? May 13 12:10:51 DocScrutinizer: if this is indeed a case of really bad rendering options in my HTML, then so be it May 13 12:10:56 works fine on all the browsers that matter May 13 12:11:03 DocScrutinizer: I am a lazy BOFH May 13 12:11:10 :-D May 13 12:11:13 I'm also not sure it's not a problem with the default browser May 13 12:11:26 for instance, default mail client can't handle attachments properly May 13 12:11:39 so I'm sort of skeptical that everyone else got it wrong and maemo default browser got it right May 13 12:11:55 if a .gif is not loading as well there is even more pointers that the call is w3c "true" but just wrong... May 13 12:11:57 these are all well known standards. May 13 12:12:19 chem|st: it works on every browser I've tried now. maybe I should try midori also just in case May 13 12:12:44 odds are if there's e.g. a js line saying "if browser=*gecko* then load SVG" then all the browsers are right, and still some not showing it May 13 12:12:46 pdf is well known but have you ever tried to find a line of anything in a pdf-code? May 13 12:12:57 DocScrutinizer: there's no such thing in there May 13 12:13:11 chem|st: how does that relate to anything? May 13 12:13:21 The bottom line is: works in every browser on the planet except N900 default one May 13 12:13:35 just like nested attachments work in every mail client I've used except the default one on N900 May 13 12:13:54 also, animations were turned off for the SVG so I'm gonna have to stick with gif. May 13 12:14:01 Coke: that's a long known problem May 13 12:14:13 (microb and nested attachments) May 13 12:14:23 DocScrutinizer: im ok with it May 13 12:14:32 I mainly use my phone for chatting and SSH. May 13 12:14:44 to be precise attachements in only one part of alternative/text May 13 12:14:46 ok, the final 3.5.2pre nightly should tell us if svg is 100% working... May 13 12:15:19 ala that's exactly what iPhone does when sending picture attachments May 13 12:15:33 alas* May 13 12:15:41 DocScrutinizer: I think OSX might do that too, not sure May 13 12:15:56 iirc it's attaching the picture to the html subpart only May 13 12:16:00 the gif works btw May 13 12:16:01 worked fine in midori too, I think it's the latest webkit it's using May 13 12:16:02 1.4.0 May 13 12:16:19 chem|st: you see it on the site? May 13 12:16:24 Oh, I do too May 13 12:16:40 So the default browser just can't handle it. May 13 12:16:46 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.2pre) Gecko/20100315 Namoroka/3.6.2pre May 13 12:17:04 and it shows up May 13 12:17:13 OK. well, IE doesn't animate the SVG anyway (nor does iphone or n900) so I guess I'll have to stick with the patented, non-free, non-standard image format to be compliant with modern browsers. May 13 12:17:15 err s"alternative/text"multipart" May 13 12:17:17 so really need a new microb build ;) May 13 12:17:44 MS says IE 9 has animated SVG support, but I dunno. May 13 12:17:58 GIF89a it is· May 13 12:18:16 Coke: the gif shows May 13 12:18:22 on n900 May 13 12:18:25 microb May 13 12:18:26 Yeah. Ofcourse it does, it's non-standard May 13 12:18:34 2011 non-standards still work better than the standards. :) May 13 12:19:13 I'll have to add "inferior non-standard" since GIF really sucks ass. May 13 12:19:30 Thanks for testing it guys. May 13 12:20:24 Does animated SVG work on OSX at all? May 13 12:20:45 anyway gotta rush to buy booze already May 13 12:20:47 bb May 13 12:21:41 DocScrutinizer: w3c gives 20 Errors on his page... that much about "it is all w3c proof" May 13 12:22:17 :-P May 13 12:22:55 words are cheap May 13 12:22:57 DocScrutinizer: the html is fine... May 13 12:23:34 * DocScrutinizer scrolls up to find the URL May 13 12:23:48 only the css is screwed, and thats the way I would turn off IE ;) May 13 12:24:00 http://lohmanders.se/test/index.sv.html May 13 12:24:51 hmm, and where's the svg May 13 12:25:27 what does the SVG look like? May 13 12:25:49 http://lohmanders.se/test/images/decor/comp_animation.sv.svg May 13 12:25:50 * DocScrutinizer might consider "open in firefox" May 13 12:26:14 the svg opened in microb solely but not within the page... May 13 12:26:16 lol, konqueror shows empty page May 13 12:26:25 hehe May 13 12:26:55 windows FF4 doesnt animate it.... May 13 12:27:24 it just converts to png haha May 13 12:27:56 I open the picture and look at details and it shows as png, link on top says svg May 13 12:29:09 "optified for Win IE8"... ROFL May 13 12:30:32 I already wondered about the friggin *.sv.png links in source May 13 12:30:45 auenf: btw some of those closed-partly open only distributed things solely by nokia need some upstream love May 13 12:31:08 firefox just converts the svg to png May 13 12:31:16 to display May 13 12:31:22 chem|st: congrats for finding another well designed sneaky bomb of M$ to 'conquer the world (of internet)" May 13 12:32:02 they love to do that on all their "cute" tools like frontpage at al May 13 12:32:09 bomb in terms of browsers always reminds me of the safari carpetbomb May 13 12:32:50 chem|st, theoretically you can build microb off one of the newer mozilla trees May 13 12:32:52 "cut(e)" tools May 13 12:32:56 but i havent got around to doing it May 13 12:33:03 and i'd probably add mng back in if i bothered ;) May 13 12:33:38 ~carpetbomb May 13 12:33:43 ~safari May 13 12:33:44 methinks safari is ORA (plus others) books online (http://safari.oreilly.com/) or Apple's web browser (http://www.apple.com/safari/) May 13 12:33:56 ~safaricarpetbomb May 13 12:34:04 ~safari-carpetbomb May 13 12:34:08 ~useless May 13 12:34:09 * infobot starts crying and hides from chem|st in the darkest corner of the room. :( May 13 12:34:13 ~wiki safaricarpetbomb May 13 12:34:16 I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=safaricarpetbomb&go=Go May 13 12:34:28 ~wiki carpetbomb May 13 12:34:30 I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=carpetbomb&go=Go May 13 12:34:42 ~+listkeys carpet May 13 12:34:44 Factoid search of 'carpet' by key (5): red-carpet ;; the_carpet's mailadress ;; redcarpet ;; redcarpet (a redhat product) ;; carpet. May 13 12:35:12 ~botsnack May 13 12:35:13 DocScrutinizer: :) May 13 12:35:58 safari carpet bomb was that safari downloads runlevel windows dlls to the desktop without asking the user, and windows looks on the desktop first for those dlls (instead of just system32) May 13 12:36:27 hehe May 13 12:37:00 safari been designed for a sane real OS May 13 12:37:06 so you build a page for safari injecting dlls to the desktop and then you tell the gui that he has to start IE to see this page BOOM! May 13 12:37:49 hm wtf is up with kernel-power? http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ tells me 2.6.28-maemo46 is the latest, but ham shows me an update for 2.6.28-10power47 May 13 12:38:26 hmm May 13 12:39:31 Version table: May 13 12:39:33 1:2.6.28-10power47 0 May 13 12:39:34 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages May 13 12:39:36 2.6.28-maemo46 0 May 13 12:39:37 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages May 13 12:40:04 are there any other voip clients for the n900? May 13 12:40:41 sezuan: yes May 13 12:40:58 Candidate: 1:2.6.28-10power47 May 13 12:41:05 sezuan: the question is funny as if you are asking for a "second" May 13 12:41:19 there are actualy many May 13 12:41:19 chem|st: can you recommend one? May 13 12:41:24 DocScrutinizer: how did you get that version table? May 13 12:41:24 looks thoroughly messed up May 13 12:41:38 apt-cache policy kernel-power May 13 12:41:39 well there is skype there is jabber/xmpp there is SIP May 13 12:42:10 I mean another SIP client. May 13 12:42:48 none integrated into dialer that nicely May 13 12:42:49 sezuan: don't know if you get twinkle to work but that is a good one (easy debian not integrated to telpathy) May 13 12:43:13 actually noone succeeded in building twinkle for embedded May 13 12:43:29 I'm not very happy with audio quality. A desktop softphone and the Nokia E71 works perfect in the same network with the very same server. May 13 12:43:29 needs too many unsupported libs, or sth, also qt3 May 13 12:43:46 sezuan: uh got no problems May 13 12:43:47 mayben a try linphone-cli May 13 12:44:19 and of course audio of twinkle has no pukeaudio support, and alsa support of maemo PA is flaky at best May 13 12:45:05 chem|st: at least every few minutes, it seems some rtp gets lost, or sometimes there seem to be bursts of several seconds. I've seen no special pattern. May 13 12:45:10 sflphone May 13 12:45:28 seem to have seen it ported to fremantle May 13 12:45:48 It also seems almost codec independed. So far, g729 seems to be the most robust codec. May 13 12:46:46 sflphone-common - SIP and IAX2 compatible softphone - Core May 13 12:47:55 I have to say I'm not too happy with that implementation of SIP in maemo via telepathy-sofiasip May 13 12:49:57 it nicely integrates into telepathy-based dialer framework, but same time does way too much abstraction and hides away many of the nicer features/setting-options of SIP from user May 13 12:51:28 audio problems however are usually caused by connectivity problems, like WLAN issues with AP and PSM May 13 12:51:28 what I'm also missing is a proper callerid handling. May 13 12:51:38 that as well May 13 12:51:42 anyone know where the 1:2.6.28-10power47 power kernel came from? May 13 12:52:01 DocScrutinizer: What is PSM? May 13 12:52:14 some guy pipin? took over maintainership of PK May 13 12:52:20 power savings mode May 13 12:52:40 ah yes. I've read about it. May 13 12:53:22 hmm... sflphone-client-gnome is too new for sflphone-common. May 13 12:53:34 also I guess there could be done more to ToS in IP packets and to bandwidth management than what sofiasip and maemo wifi does May 13 12:54:17 ~wtf ToS May 13 12:54:19 Gee... I don't know what ToS means... May 13 12:54:25 ~ToS May 13 12:54:25 tos is probably type of service, or the operating system for the Atari ST.. Terms of Service May 13 12:54:26 type of service May 13 12:55:00 a header byte of IP packets, to priorize etc May 13 12:55:04 mhmm May 13 12:55:17 see man ping for example May 13 12:55:19 Which many ISPs ignore. May 13 12:55:39 SpeedEvil: sure, but many APs obey it May 13 12:56:16 ping -Q tos May 13 12:57:49 i assume the most critical part is the connection to the ISP. After that, the should be enough bandwidth. May 13 12:58:20 sure May 13 12:58:48 and of course net neutrality of ISP May 13 12:59:24 some deliberately add jitter to packets identified as RTP by stateful packet inspection, to mess up VoIP May 13 12:59:44 maybe someday they artificially disturb rtp traffic and charge for stop doing it. May 13 12:59:56 they do now May 13 13:00:16 except for the chargeing part May 13 13:00:36 bastards May 13 13:01:22 of course way more common on GPRS data connections than on DSL May 13 13:01:31 yes. May 13 13:01:35 for obvious commercial reasons May 13 13:01:54 ~RTP May 13 13:01:54 in germany you pay an extra fee to use voip on mobile networks... May 13 13:01:54 from memory, rtp is The Internet-standard protocol for the transport of real-time data, including audio and video. RTP is used in virtually all voice-over-IP architectures, for videoconferencing, media-on-demand, and other applications. A thin protocol, it supports content identification, timing reconstruction, and detection of lost packets. May 13 13:02:01 ah May 13 13:02:48 end of neutrality. *sigh* May 13 13:03:47 DocScrutinizer, chem|st: So... upgrading the ogg-support removes flac from the default.services? May 13 13:05:14 Hukka: is this a find of yours, or a question? May 13 13:06:01 I'd like to know for sure if it is the root cause for that problem May 13 13:06:11 Question, since obviously downgrading the package helped, and chem|st mentioned that file May 13 13:06:19 can't duplicate right now here May 13 13:06:25 Well, you have the new version of ogg-support, right? May 13 13:06:39 I have the downgraded version, I'll check what tha file says May 13 13:06:41 I don't even know which version I have May 13 13:07:09 Hukka: you could check mdate/cdate of that file May 13 13:07:18 re May 13 13:07:29 GAN900: Was good. Glad to be back and get a proper cup of tea, though May 13 13:07:36 GAN900: iPad 2 exchange rate is shiny May 13 13:07:53 Not so much if you have to pay import and VAT May 13 13:08:21 SpeedEvil: *cough* May 13 13:08:55 DocScrutinizer: Well, based on time stamp downgrading did write to that file May 13 13:09:13 MohammadAG: (& Jaffa ?) could you have a short look at kernel-power v47 please? there's something severely fishy May 13 13:09:15 (I have not, for the purposes of avoiding doubt - purchased an ipad.) May 13 13:09:28 Though I am actually looking at purchasing an ipad screen - sortof. May 13 13:09:36 It would make a silly upgrade to my old laptop. May 13 13:09:52 Hukka: then you could do community a favour, copy that file to a backup now, then update and diff the both files May 13 13:10:05 ipad screen (which fits beautifully), beagleboard type processor, and reuse the shell. May 13 13:10:18 hm I just realized flac playback in the mediaplayer stopped working for me May 13 13:10:31 but it works as a ringtone May 13 13:10:33 wtf? May 13 13:10:51 DocScrutinizer: Hm. why not, yeah May 13 13:11:25 Jaffa, Detroit looks like a warzone these days. Bored with the iPad yet? :P May 13 13:11:57 Weid, apt doesn't suggest upgrading the ogg-support May 13 13:12:01 Every iOS product I've ever handled goes something like this "Damn. Shiny. ... Bored now." May 13 13:12:07 Does it remember my old command to use the older version? May 13 13:12:08 merlin1991: see Hukka May 13 13:12:22 DocScrutinizer, merlin1991: I never had problems with flac playback May 13 13:12:30 I could play them from the file manager May 13 13:12:36 The problem was purely with tracker May 13 13:13:10 Hukka: nevertheless it adds more mystery to that whole flac issue May 13 13:13:35 I have a hard time thinking it's mere coincisdence May 13 13:13:40 every flac file has a duration of 59:59 an unkown artist / unkown album May 13 13:13:49 and the file name as title in the playlist May 13 13:13:53 that's tracker May 13 13:14:03 and doesn't play May 13 13:14:10 merlin1991: Have you tried playing from file manager? May 13 13:14:15 yes May 13 13:14:30 but I think that's no implemented in openmediaplayer atm May 13 13:14:35 But do you see the files in the album view in the media player? May 13 13:14:36 GAN900: Not bored yet, no. For the use cases I want it (web browsing at home, device at conferences with decent battery life) it works well :-) May 13 13:14:40 so I'm trying to revert to the stock player atm May 13 13:14:50 merlin1991: Err, so you have a problem that something that never has worked, isn't working? May 13 13:14:53 Hukka: I see them under unkown artist May 13 13:15:01 I've never used anything but the stock player with addons May 13 13:15:03 Hukka: it worked just fine May 13 13:15:06 some time ago May 13 13:15:17 (with open mediaplayer from the album view) May 13 13:15:20 Oh, ok. You said it wasn't implemented May 13 13:15:28 Ok, so only the file manager doesn't see that May 13 13:15:45 there's obviously a rogue/broken new version for flac support out there somewhere May 13 13:15:52 yea May 13 13:16:14 but I'll revert my mediaplayer now and see if it works from file manager then May 13 13:16:16 merlin1991: Hukka fixed his issue May 13 13:16:33 by downgrading some ogg-support May 13 13:16:46 see backscroll May 13 13:16:52 yea I read it May 13 13:16:59 but that fixed a tracker issue for him May 13 13:17:04 but playback still worked May 13 13:17:11 yours as well is a tracker issue May 13 13:17:18 so I want to narrow my problem down May 13 13:17:29 DocScrutinizer: I'm not sure if ogg-support has been pulled... May 13 13:17:48 Because I can't find a version higher than 1.0.5 anymore May 13 13:18:23 you should've checked what's your installed version prior to downgrade - maybe merlin can help out May 13 13:18:43 DocScrutinizer: That's true May 13 13:19:38 at least the package interface says that there's still 1.0.7~rc1 see http://maemo.org/packages/view/ogg-support/ May 13 13:19:52 merlin1991: Yeah, that's right May 13 13:19:57 I don't know why apt doesn't see it May 13 13:19:58 IroN900:/home/user/.config/tracker# dpkg -l ogg-support ->>ii ogg-support 1.0.7~rc1 Ogg/Vorbis/Flac support for n900 May 13 13:20:34 and the file is still in the repo: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/o/ogg-support/ May 13 13:21:06 Err May 13 13:21:07 also: apt-cache policy ogg-support May 13 13:21:13 I only have extras-testing enabled now May 13 13:21:26 ah that's it May 13 13:21:33 testing and extras only have 1.0.5 May 13 13:21:34 That is, my extras-devel has disappeared from the sources.list completely May 13 13:22:02 DocScrutinizer: it seems that disabling the power saving mode helped. May 13 13:22:04 merlin1991: Yeah, but that makes it really interesting how my mediaplayer got updated just a few days ago May 13 13:22:16 sezuan: \o/ May 13 13:22:21 Anyway, if you or DocScrutinizer can upload your default.service, I'll make a diff May 13 13:22:26 Or I can just upload mine May 13 13:22:35 * sezuan looks for his additional battery. May 13 13:22:41 * merlin1991 needs MohammadAG May 13 13:22:47 where's the .service file for mediaplayer? May 13 13:23:23 [2011-05-13 13:42:13] Hukka: /usr/share/tracker/services/default.service must have flac for music... May 13 13:23:54 Here's mine: http://pastebin.com/my9tq1Mz May 13 13:24:11 DocScrutinizer: I mean another .service file May 13 13:24:46 /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.nokia.mediaplayer.service is what I was looking for May 13 13:25:03 aah May 13 13:25:20 Hukka: (duck and cover, 6 lines paste!) May 13 13:25:25 IroN900:/home/user/.config/tracker# grep -C1 flac /usr/share/tracker/services/default.service May 13 13:25:26 TileMetadata=Audio:Title;Audio:Artist;Audio:Album;Audio:Genre;Audio:Duration;Audio:ReleaseDate; May 13 13:25:28 Mimes=audio/ogg;application/ogg;audio/x-flac;audio/x-flac+ogg;audio/x-vorbis+ogg;audio/mpeg;audio/x-mp3;audio/x-mpeg;audio/mp3;audio/x-wav;audio/wav;audio/x-m4a;audio/x-mp2;audio/mp2;audio/x-amr;audio/AMR;audio/x-ms-wma;audio/basic;audio/mp4;audio/AMR-WB; May 13 13:25:29 ShowServiceFiles=true May 13 13:25:47 hmm, only 4 May 13 13:25:49 ffs ofc I didn't back it up, can you paste me the exec line from that one ? :$ May 13 13:26:11 DocScrutinizer: Same as mine May 13 13:26:25 So I suppose that wasn't the problem May 13 13:26:36 DocScrutinizer: Btw, do your flacs show in album lists? May 13 13:26:57 Exec=/usr/bin/mediaplayer May 13 13:27:08 Hukka: I killed my tracker lately May 13 13:27:25 merlin1991: actually May 13 13:27:29 [D-BUS Service] May 13 13:27:31 Name=com.nokia.mediaplayer May 13 13:27:32 Exec=/usr/bin/mediaplayer May 13 13:27:48 I only needed the exec part :) May 13 13:27:51 (3 lines in that file) May 13 13:28:08 I have the problem that I am not even sure what was updated when the problem happened May 13 13:28:31 I did it via the official application manager, and that's always very sneaky May 13 13:28:35 yeah, that's our recent problem right now May 13 13:28:43 Told me that it's updating my "media player", nothing else May 13 13:29:18 But at least the package "mediaplayer" hasn't been updated since last october May 13 13:29:24 media can't be played, media format not support May 13 13:29:35 tells me the stock player May 13 13:29:44 how on earth does it work as my ringtone then? May 13 13:30:28 merlin1991: can you do a full backup (maybe via sftp://) of rootfs, then downgrade to ogg-support1.0.5 as Hukka suggested? May 13 13:31:06 merlin1991: ringtones are converted to a hidden .wav file somewhere in your home May 13 13:31:16 it never uses the original file May 13 13:32:31 it'd take way too long to set up the needed gstreamer pipe for all the random mediafile formats May 13 13:32:47 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39299&page=18 also mentions that removing packages is essential May 13 13:33:03 so dialer is using the always same hidden auxilary f.wav file May 13 13:33:03 so I still have a .wav file from back when it still worked May 13 13:33:09 For me they got autoremoved, but someone claims that if that doesn't happen, you need to remove them yourself May 13 13:33:26 merlin1991: exactly May 13 13:33:50 (Though I only had the tracker-extractor-flac, not the gstreamer packages) May 13 13:34:54 what's the apt command to install a specific version again? May 13 13:35:07 nm found it May 13 13:35:26 another question, any way to poke tracker to rebuild it's db? May 13 13:35:32 (other than rebooting the n900) May 13 13:36:08 err, you can purge the old db, but no idea how to force tracker to do a new one *now* May 13 13:36:30 Hukka: I'll try reverting to 1.0.6~rc1, because I think I had that one working stable May 13 13:36:38 (and it does flac tags) May 13 13:36:41 stop trackerd;rm;start trackerd May 13 13:36:55 SpeedEvil: there's a tracker-* cmd May 13 13:37:01 ah May 13 13:37:36 mentioned in this chan like 1 week ago May 13 13:38:49 DocScrutinizer, merlin1991: tracer-processes -r May 13 13:39:00 +k ;-D May 13 13:39:56 -r, --hard-reset This will kill all Tracker processes and remove all databases May 13 13:40:24 It actaully also restarts them, and then it starts rebuilding May 13 13:40:39 downgrading ogg-support now May 13 13:42:01 hell, I really fscked my tracker. It's not reindexing since I tracker-processes -r'd last week May 13 13:42:49 should restore my /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg.ORIG May 13 13:44:02 LMAO May 13 13:44:20 dpkg -l gstreamer0.10-flac May 13 13:44:25 status pn May 13 13:46:56 hm seems like the install of ogg-support takes care of tracker May 13 13:47:04 it restarted it and touched all .flac files May 13 13:48:53 is there an example python code to get the mafw player state? May 13 13:49:00 hm May 13 13:49:15 downgrade to 1.0.6~rc1 brought me back tracker infos May 13 13:49:17 mafw.Rederer has no usefull methods.. May 13 13:49:38 but I still can't play flac files? May 13 13:53:53 DocScrutinizer: any ideas on why I can't play flac? mediaplayer tells me mediaformat isn't supported, but gstreamer0.10-flac is installed? May 13 13:56:31 re May 13 13:56:52 merlin1991: not really, I assume you rebooted? May 13 13:57:02 yes May 13 13:57:58 iirc I had to install ogg-support to make mediaplayer aware of flac May 13 13:58:11 merlin1991: Do you decoders-support? May 13 13:58:18 yeah May 13 13:58:56 I installed ogg-support May 13 13:59:15 (reinstalled to 1.0.6) May 13 13:59:22 I gather it pulls in dependencies that aren't downgraded properly May 13 13:59:28 apt-get install --reinstall gstreamer0.10-flac libflac8 May 13 13:59:39 chem|st: nope May 13 13:59:39 :-D May 13 13:59:43 apt-get autoremove May 13 13:59:46 hehe May 13 13:59:47 + reboot May 13 13:59:48 NO!!!!! May 13 14:00:03 apt-get autoremove kills quite some other bits May 13 14:00:09 DocScrutinizer: my autoremove isn't broken :D May 13 14:00:16 merlin1991: if you want no audio till reflash proceed May 13 14:00:23 it only removed gstreamer0.10-av gstreamer0.10-maemo-xiph May 13 14:00:30 then it still didn't work May 13 14:00:34 --> reboot May 13 14:00:35 then you did it before May 13 14:00:36 works now May 13 14:00:54 my autoremove for example kills SIP May 13 14:01:02 autoremove is a lazy bitch and there is a reason why it is not in bash_completion May 13 14:01:13 :D May 13 14:01:21 works fine on my device May 13 14:01:23 flac works? May 13 14:01:28 yes now it works May 13 14:01:34 downgraded to 1.0.6 May 13 14:01:40 removed the leftover packages from 1.0.7 May 13 14:01:41 reboot May 13 14:01:42 sure, fool! autoremove works, but your system breaks May 13 14:01:43 and it worked May 13 14:01:57 DocScrutinizer: autoremove works like it should here! May 13 14:02:08 yes it does!!!! May 13 14:02:17 because I have a flashed 1.3 and not upgraded May 13 14:02:20 merlin1991: nope autoremove works like it should on a non-embedded system May 13 14:02:36 autoremove totally is broken when you did a ota upgrade May 13 14:02:40 on a non-messed up system like maemo May 13 14:02:47 ROFL May 13 14:03:05 having directly flashed pr 1.3 keeps your system debs around when autoremoving :) May 13 14:03:18 mhm May 13 14:03:32 it prolly uninstalled some libs you didn't try to use yet May 13 14:04:05 chem|st: He just said what it uninstalled... May 13 14:04:16 gstreamer-av and -maemo-xiph May 13 14:04:26 Hukka: he prolly used the cmd before so... May 13 14:04:30 anyway, to keep all the info in 1 place ogg-support 1.0.7~rc1 is broken May 13 14:04:42 1.0.6~rc1 works May 13 14:05:03 and to downgrade sucessfully you need to remove gstreamer-av and -maemo-xiph after the --reinstall May 13 14:05:11 merlin1991: and I have a flashed 1.3 too... May 13 14:05:42 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools >># autoremove kills rtcom-accounts-voip-support May 13 14:05:42 chem|st: maybe I'm just lucky, or it is indeed the fact that there are some libs wich I simply don't try to use May 13 14:06:02 merlin1991: maybe both ;) May 13 14:06:45 DocScrutinizer: I checked with dpkg -l rtcom-accounts-voip-support it is still installed May 13 14:06:54 amazing May 13 14:07:08 I'm still wondering where I got a newer ogg-support if my extras-devel is not enabled May 13 14:07:18 Though I'm pretty sure I installed something from -devel last week May 13 14:07:20 that's indeed weird May 13 14:07:48 btw Hukka 1.0.6~rc1 works just fine and has tag extractor as opposed to 1.0.5 May 13 14:08:00 merlin1991: tag extractor? May 13 14:08:02 DocScrutinizer: you need to do some apt magic to get it removed by autoremove... but flicking in apt on cli is just enough magic to get some flags changed May 13 14:08:40 chem|st: I'm absolutely sure I didn't anything except apt-get install May 13 14:08:59 as I'm an apt noob May 13 14:09:15 DocScrutinizer: apt-get install on apps already removed changes prolly more than just the "installed by user" flag May 13 14:09:16 Depending on what apt you use some packages are marked as "automatic" and some not May 13 14:09:33 I mean in some frontends all the dependencies autoinstalled are marked like they were manually installed May 13 14:09:40 s/removed/installed/ May 13 14:09:40 chem|st meant: DocScrutinizer: apt-get install on apps already installed changes prolly more than just the "installed by user" flag May 13 14:10:09 ~lart merlin1991s wireless ap May 13 14:10:09 * infobot decapitates merlin1991s wireless ap conan the destroyer style May 13 14:10:14 mhm May 13 14:10:29 Hukka: autoremove removes only apps installed with some other stuff May 13 14:10:29 can't use powersaving with the n900 May 13 14:10:32 New or old conan? May 13 14:10:33 or ssh doesn't work May 13 14:11:12 means install something by hand and the flags change from system to pulled-in-from-app and get recognized in autoremove May 13 14:11:15 chem|st: Yeah, but depending on what front end is used to install, different stuff is marked as autoinstalled May 13 14:11:17 get a decent AP May 13 14:11:31 DocScrutinizer: Are there any? May 13 14:11:38 Well, I suppose there are decent, if not good May 13 14:11:42 :shrug: May 13 14:11:53 I mean --reinstall does that for sure and if the program you try to install is already installed the flags change as well May 13 14:12:01 seems my d-link mostly works May 13 14:12:06 at least as long there is only one dependency May 13 14:12:10 with PR1.3 ;-P May 13 14:12:32 chem|st: scary May 13 14:12:39 DocScrutinizer: apt is indeed scary May 13 14:12:56 merlin1991: DocScrutinizer: if you know why the 1.0.7 rc1 didn't work for you, please send me a mail May 13 14:13:11 mail??? ll May 13 14:13:14 lol even May 13 14:13:20 I'm planning to put it to testing later but it should work for everybody by then May 13 14:13:30 kulve: I have no idea why it didn't work May 13 14:13:32 watch your hdd buffer on your local machine for stuff getting touched... May 13 14:13:39 but with it I neither had tags in tracker May 13 14:13:43 nor playback in mediaplayer May 13 14:14:01 DocScrutinizer: well, you can complain here too, if you wish but don't expect it to magically repair itself. Bugzilla works too. May 13 14:14:20 well, I'll try /whois May 13 14:14:44 no mail addr in your /whois May 13 14:15:07 DocScrutinizer: use the bugzilla then May 13 14:15:10 [Notice] -NickServ- Flags : HideMail May 13 14:15:58 I'm sure merlin1991 will do, once he finds out - or Hukka May 13 14:16:12 * DocScrutinizer has no waorking tracker at all ATM May 13 14:16:34 so I can just help, but no way open up a proper ticket May 13 14:16:48 kulve: is there anything I can do to find out why it didn't work for me? May 13 14:16:58 atm I can just tell you what symptoms I had :D May 13 14:17:41 merlin1991: first thing: diff your downgraded working system rootfs to the backup you made May 13 14:17:49 merlin1991: you can try from the command like with gst-launch but it takes a bit work and knowledge to get good reports about what's happening May 13 14:17:55 so you get a list of affected files May 13 14:18:41 somebody with apt/dpkg knowledge probably also can tell you what files actually come with 1.0.7 May 13 14:19:03 and which dependencies get pulled in May 13 14:19:20 that part I can even manage myself May 13 14:19:21 kulve: So, did tracker work fine with flac for you? May 13 14:19:40 with such a list it should be easy to make a qualified diff and see what looks suspicious May 13 14:19:48 kulve: The only symptoms I had was that I couldn't see my flac tracks via mediaplayer, worked via file manager May 13 14:19:53 DocScrutinizer: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=ogg-support May 13 14:20:31 Hukka: yes, the flacs worked too, but I did only quite a quick testing.. May 13 14:21:04 this usually tells quite a lot what's happening: gst-launch -v playbin2 url=file:///foo/bar.ogg May 13 14:21:22 Shouldn't that only show problems with playback? May 13 14:21:22 and that's close to what the Media Player does as well May 13 14:21:26 or .flac here May 13 14:21:32 have someone an idea howto get the playing state from the mediaplayer? May 13 14:21:38 Hukka: yes, the tracker is a bit different May 13 14:21:58 kulve: Yeah, because playing did work, media player even showd the right album and artist info May 13 14:22:07 But the tracks just weren't in the media database May 13 14:22:20 Papayawhip: MohammadAG should know, and source of mediaplayerwidget should show some example May 13 14:22:22 "tracker-files -m audio/x-vorbis+ogg" should list all ogg files with that mime type May 13 14:22:34 "tracker-files -s Music" should list all music files May 13 14:22:55 "tracker-info file.ogg" should list what tracker can find out about the file May 13 14:23:01 we're talking about .flac still May 13 14:23:15 DocScrutinizer: Well, we can extrapolate the commands ;) May 13 14:23:20 DocScrutinizer: ok thanks, but the widget is written in c. the c library has a documentation, but the python-bindings are useless -.- May 13 14:23:28 DocScrutinizer: yeah, just replace those parts. I had those in my notes, so I just cut'n'pasted them May 13 14:23:38 mhm May 13 14:24:05 just felt like mentioning it to save anybody's time May 13 14:25:50 hell, I know why I don't accept any 1st level helpdesk jobs :-D May 13 14:27:10 "please type: dir" May 13 14:27:29 ": dir : command not found" May 13 14:28:08 DocScrutinizer, cause you cant read the level 1 script you have to work off? May 13 14:28:38 nah, I just get headache when reading it May 13 14:29:02 but it is unreadable May 13 14:29:39 I don't speak japanese in chinese translated english May 13 14:29:42 work colleague was trying to get his isp to finish installing his adsl May 13 14:30:07 aparently the pair was connected to the MDF, but not to his unit/apartment May 13 14:30:30 major fail May 13 14:30:55 went thru the whole page with level1, and then the guy actually said 'you have reached the end of all that TPG can help you with' May 13 14:31:00 they need to find a second pair, and need to start over with a new job to do so May 13 14:31:17 it was worse than that May 13 14:31:33 aparently the tech that did it, didnt tag the pair cause he hooked it up to a unit May 13 14:31:50 and someone else made a call to it ;) May 13 14:31:55 err, call on it May 13 14:31:56 haha May 13 14:32:35 had that some 6 months ago, at the bar of a friend May 13 14:33:18 he's been waiting like 10 weeks for some dude to come and connect the last mile to the feed from cellar to his bar May 13 14:33:20 trying to explain the problem to the l1 guy was impossible May 13 14:33:30 he kept insisting to reset the modem May 13 14:33:53 I called a friend at telekom and asked him which are the numbers on the pair, and fixed it in like 30min May 13 14:34:56 gave the line a call and checked the multiplexer connector block in cellar, to find the line ringing proper May 13 14:35:37 well, of course I wasn't supposed to touch that sh*t May 13 14:35:43 of course May 13 14:35:53 but it saved my friend another 3 months of waiting May 13 14:36:05 if the line was tagged properly, i would have hooked it up to the unit May 13 14:36:13 which reminds me, he tried to ring his number May 13 14:36:20 and someone 3 suburbs over answered May 13 14:36:30 lol May 13 14:36:35 DocScrutinizer: cable company decided we need to get another modem for phone so guy came installed new modem, everything fine May 13 14:36:45 besides the fact, that the number was wrong after that May 13 14:36:53 calling support May 13 14:36:53 hahahaha May 13 14:37:04 "no we don't change numbers, that's impossible" May 13 14:37:14 where the fuck am I calling you from then? May 13 14:37:18 ... May 13 14:37:19 oh May 13 14:37:23 SILENCE May 13 14:37:24 :D May 13 14:37:44 VoIP? May 13 14:37:48 it took them a week to fix that May 13 14:38:22 phone over "telekabel" however that's called May 13 14:38:33 mhm, yeah May 13 14:38:55 sheds some light about their security policies and vulnerability May 13 14:39:30 I bet if you connect any modem to the line with some random id, you'd still get a line May 13 14:39:46 talk about telco privacy May 13 14:39:47 probably you could use arbitrary numbers of your country, as long as you manage to find a number that'S hosted by them and you break the credentials May 13 14:40:03 ex boss had about 6 mobiles on a group plan, so single bill May 13 14:40:17 hi everyone May 13 14:40:20 then some other number showed up one month May 13 14:41:03 when he rang up to sort it out, they couldnt tell them anything cause it was a different password to see those details May 13 14:41:21 but this other person could ring up and see all the details for all the numbers on the group May 13 14:41:34 hehe May 13 14:41:51 and its not like the addresses were similar May 13 14:42:20 nah, database reused the index primary key, or sth May 13 14:42:48 2785km between the addresses too May 13 14:42:59 the 2 different states dont even share a border May 13 14:43:01 doesn't matter for the index :-D May 13 14:43:29 nope, its just the crappy telco ;) May 13 14:44:14 kulve: what do you want me to add to the bug report when I do my 10.0.7~rc1 doesn't work rant? May 13 14:45:47 merlin1991: well, getting the bug about it is the first thing. You can add all the info you thing might be relevant. Others can then ask questions or add more details May 13 14:45:56 s,bug,bug report, May 13 14:46:44 merlin1991: add the hotfix at very least! May 13 14:46:56 "hotfix" :P May 13 14:47:02 detailed instructions May 13 14:48:00 will serve both for others dealing with same problem, and for devels narrowing down the issue May 13 14:52:45 hm theore is the video and vorbis is the audio codec, right? May 13 14:52:45 btw the ringtone aux file is ~user/.local/share/sounds/*..wav May 13 14:52:47 when i try to fix samba, with apt-get -f install, returns this http://pastebin.com/6Q0kbFbP, someone can help? May 13 14:53:25 merlin1991: afaik yes May 13 14:53:32 theora May 13 14:53:55 nitpicker ;) May 13 14:56:22 when i try to fix samba, with apt-get -f install, returns this http://pastebin.com/6Q0kbFbP, someone can help? May 13 15:01:35 RMCampos: are you sure you're root and don't use some weird shell? May 13 15:02:19 I don't think my root on maemo talks to me in any locale other than C May 13 15:02:39 I.E. english May 13 15:04:16 umm, actually LANG=de_DE, so this was not a correct statement May 13 15:05:34 anyway a 'LANG=C ' would help a lot May 13 15:06:42 also pastebinning your cmdline as well, instead of only the cmd's stderr output also helps May 13 15:07:05 DocScrutinizer: yes, /bin/sh I try with bash4 also, but the problem persist May 13 15:08:36 nota bene you got busybox as your default shell on maemo May 13 15:09:00 /bin/sh doesn't mean much May 13 15:09:22 ls -l `which sh` does though May 13 15:09:38 hm May 13 15:10:15 DocScrutinizer: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Apr 13 16:38 /bin/sh -> busybox May 13 15:10:21 looks ok May 13 15:10:26 what's 'id' May 13 15:10:44 id? May 13 15:10:47 id May 13 15:11:07 DocScrutinizer: where? May 13 15:11:15 in xterm May 13 15:11:42 DocScrutinizer: uid=0(root) gid=0(root) May 13 15:11:55 what's 'echo $HOME" May 13 15:12:00 what's 'echo $HOME' May 13 15:12:22 DocScrutinizer: /home/ricardo May 13 15:12:28 weird May 13 15:12:38 that doesn't look like maemo May 13 15:13:13 DocScrutinizer: hm May 13 15:13:23 should be /root May 13 15:13:48 there's no /home/ricardo on maemo/N900 May 13 15:14:30 HTH May 13 15:14:33 DocScrutinizer: the user "ricardo" is for ssh, is an user only ssh May 13 15:14:34 gotta go May 13 15:15:24 DocScrutinizer: look: May 13 15:15:30 you need to use 'root' for proper login to root, never use 'sudo gainroot' May 13 15:15:31 DocScrutinizer: echo $HOME: May 13 15:15:38 DocScrutinizer: /root May 13 15:15:59 DocScrutinizer: yes, i see that now May 13 15:16:23 DocScrutinizer: but the problem is the same May 13 15:16:44 then you have to check the postrm file in that .deb May 13 15:17:00 seems there's some odd command in there May 13 15:17:17 bbl May 13 15:17:19 o/ May 13 15:17:30 ok, thanks May 13 15:20:11 DocScrutinizer: where is the postrm file? /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? May 13 15:29:58 seems there's also /home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives May 13 15:30:16 sorry, I'm a noob with all this dpkg/apt stuff May 13 15:33:39 nevermind: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2010-06-23 06:03 /var/cache/apt -> /opt/var/cache/apt May 13 15:37:32 hey all \o May 13 15:38:41 i'm performing a big dd operation on n900, what i am looking for is a way to make the device beep several times to get my attention when the dd operation is done. Any ideas? May 13 15:39:16 meh, in ogg-support:postrm -> dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"Updating icons, mime, and desktop file caches" May 13 15:39:41 this doesn't usually work from root, without run-standalone.sh May 13 15:40:03 rcg: your problem might be similar May 13 15:40:10 RMCampos: ^^^ May 13 15:40:21 sorry rcg - ETAB May 13 15:41:29 RMCampos: this might actually be a case where you need to do 'sudo gainroot', but *from user account* May 13 15:42:03 or do 'run-satndalone.sh apt-whatever-you-did' May 13 15:43:29 kulve: see my last 5 lines May 13 15:43:42 7 actually May 13 15:45:02 Hukka: merlin1991: ^^^ May 13 15:50:45 kulve: -->rationale: root's session-dbus is not what you'd expect it to be, so calls like those to session dbus will most likely throw an error when run under proper root account May 13 15:52:41 kulve: -->fix: afaik, doing "/path/to/run-standalone.sh dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org..." should work May 13 15:53:31 though it's still kinda deprecated as you won't see what's going on on your N900 screen when logged in via remote ssh May 13 15:53:58 * GAN900 needs to find a good backpack for SF. May 13 15:54:02 we hat that topic like <24h ago, not for the first time May 13 15:55:27 GAN900: how would a script find out about real file/device-type of stdout (i.e. if it runs in a xterm, on console, or as a subprocess of e.g. HAM)? May 13 15:56:04 For a .deb? May 13 15:56:12 for anything May 13 15:56:24 What's the goal here? May 13 15:56:30 I know shell itself has a notion about it being 'interactive' May 13 15:57:29 the goal is to figure if we have a proper stdout that can show stderr May 13 15:58:17 e.g. to decide if there's any sense in output of "echo "continue (Y/n)?" 1>&2" May 13 15:59:17 a lot of programs/scripts have a notion about this, and behave differently depending on it May 13 16:00:38 the particular goal here however is for preinstall/postrm scripts May 13 16:03:34 of course something like 'dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"Updating icons, mime, and desktop file caches" || :' would help a bit as well May 13 16:04:28 or 'if dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"Updating icons, mime, and desktop file caches"; then :; fi' if you like that better May 13 16:05:31 DocScrutinizer: that has been working for the past 18 months. Why wouldn't it work now? May 13 16:06:18 depends on what you call 'working'. It works from HAM, but usually fails from a root xterm apt-get foo... May 13 16:06:53 if the dbus-send fails, does the whole postinst fail? May 13 16:07:22 NB only fails on a true root shell, not a "fake" one that you get by "sudo gainroot" May 13 16:07:36 yup, afaik it aborts May 13 16:07:51 I guess it should be then like: dbus-send ... | true May 13 16:07:59 had that problem iirc with starhash May 13 16:08:26 or : which is a lil bit shorter than true May 13 16:09:12 btw || if I'm not mistaken May 13 16:12:13 maybe a 'dbus-send .... || echo "dbus failed, so I'm telling you this way about X" 1>&2' could work nicely May 13 16:15:43 s/had that problem iirc with starhash/had a bugreport with starhash that is still unfixed/ May 13 16:16:31 Hey guys, is there package for the haskell computer? May 13 16:16:34 I think fapman also doesn't care about run-standalone.sh to cal apt, as HAM obviously does May 13 16:17:39 so iirc uninstalling or updating *# broke when a user tried it via fapman May 13 16:18:43 DocScrutinizer, ah, I see. No idea. :P May 13 16:18:45 Surjikal: search for haskell? May 13 16:19:59 Surjikal: http://maemo.org/packages/ May 13 16:22:13 DocScrutinizer, thanks May 13 16:22:31 GAN900: echo $TERM ?? May 13 16:24:09 hmm, no May 13 16:24:17 Shouldn't something tell you whether it's interactive? May 13 16:24:29 sure, *sth* should May 13 16:26:11 that's what I asked ;-D May 13 16:27:20 Teehee May 13 16:27:30 Yeah, dunno what specifically, though. May 13 16:27:59 well, so I don't feel that much stupid anymore at least May 13 16:28:44 Seems like that's got to be a common thing. May 13 16:29:25 sure May 13 16:30:38 how can I find the cpu architecture of my device (n900)? May 13 16:32:12 Surjikal: slide kb out, turn n900 screen back from you and read what you see May 13 16:34:06 uname -m in console will also work May 13 16:35:21 slonopotaus, LOL thank you May 13 16:35:28 echo $MACHTYPE ->arm-unknown-linux-gnu May 13 16:36:14 Surjikal: it will work on other N900 phones as well May 13 16:36:25 Surjikal: however results will be the same every time May 13 16:36:47 DocScrutinizer: that doesn't work May 13 16:38:29 err, doesn't work? May 13 16:38:59 of course May 13 16:39:31 :shrug: WFM May 13 16:39:56 if it's what he's interested in is of course another wuation May 13 16:40:02 question even May 13 16:40:03 MACHTYPE isn't set in almost all distros (except the exotic one you use, i guess) May 13 16:40:24 yeah, the exotic one called maemo, or opensuse May 13 16:40:43 there is no such env variable in maemo May 13 16:41:02 uhuh May 13 16:41:09 yep May 13 16:41:14 IroN900:/home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives# echo $MACHTYPE May 13 16:41:15 arm-unknown-linux-gnu May 13 16:41:34 oh, i see that, it's bashism May 13 16:42:56 btw, that string isn't very useful, it doesn't say what arm variant it is May 13 16:44:10 but then it says it's linux-gnu ;-D May 13 16:44:17 friggin usefull May 13 16:45:19 I never claimed it's the answer to the question about live, universe, and all. That'd be 42 May 13 16:45:28 life* May 13 17:19:57 blessn900 does a wonderful job with exposure May 13 17:35:39 http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers_years/2011_1/linux-world-map-large.png May 13 17:35:45 even has the meego island :D May 13 17:36:52 there should be a huge penguin playing the role of the turtle and elephants May 13 17:39:33 where is maemo? May 13 17:39:55 stallman sea, owowowowwwww May 13 17:39:57 not on there :/ May 13 17:40:50 love it how small the gpc sea is :D May 13 17:41:18 buntkuhstan hehe May 13 17:43:25 GPL sea? May 13 17:45:02 noob desert \o/ May 13 17:47:13 ~lart Logitech, for using such crappy switches May 13 17:47:13 * infobot shoots Logitech, in the head for using such crappy switches May 13 17:49:30 yea gpl sea May 13 17:52:42 btw re twinkle: you probably should find less problems to get a cmdline-only version of twinkle built on maemo May 13 17:53:48 at least original author michel de boer put much effort into making it truly platform/arch independent May 13 17:54:31 that's btw the reason why twinkle uses named pipes rather than dbus May 13 18:08:53 alright guys May 13 18:09:16 i cannot for the life of me get this usb networking to work on my n900 May 13 18:09:52 i plug my device into the pc, and feed it the rndis drivers May 13 18:10:21 it installs, but then gives me "device cannot start (code 10)" May 13 18:10:31 what am I doing wrong May 13 18:17:37 Saz|Mobile: what OS does the pc run? May 13 18:28:26 50/60s in SF May 13 18:28:36 It'll be like a vacation from the heat May 13 18:46:55 anyway for put extension number May 13 18:46:59 in contacts ? May 13 18:51:06 DocScrutinizer: Didn't read all the backlog, but I originally updated my N900 on the device itself May 13 18:51:17 I only did the downgrade via ssh May 13 18:57:19 your mothers all suck cocks in hell May 13 19:02:02 Well your mother sews socks that smell! May 13 19:02:48 Teth: you mothers suck cocks now in life May 13 19:08:50 GAN900: aren't you canop? :-D May 13 19:08:58 chanop even May 13 19:11:56 * DocScrutinizer frowns about -NickServ- Information on Teth (account Teth): -NickServ- Registered : May 02 08:29:14 2010 (1 year, 1 week, 4 days, 10:37:50 ago) May 13 19:14:32 well, I like to think of it as another case of "sorry, my little drunken brother grabbed my N900" May 13 19:31:51 E0x: my mother only sucks my father's cock May 13 19:32:24 homofags May 13 19:32:34 that is what you think May 13 19:32:56 hey, what i think: is truth May 13 19:33:14 the only truth is my /ignore May 13 19:33:19 lol May 13 19:33:31 cehteh has just admitted he's a pussy May 13 19:33:35 who's next? May 13 19:37:34 FAGS May 13 19:49:47 Lame troll. May 13 19:50:05 It's a competitive market out there these days. Gotta step it up. May 13 19:51:52 hi, i'm new to maemo and i have a problem setting up the qt-sdk. i always get "cannot execute binary file" for qmake. i googled a bit and found out that it might have something to do with the target, but what exactly do i have to do? can anyone help me? May 13 20:06:43 peace to all of you May 13 20:07:38 hi May 13 20:08:55 for the (chan)record: [Whois] Teth ist noway@cpe-184-58-4-1.woh.res.rr.com (caius@fu.org) May 13 20:13:27 for the (chan)record: cpe-184-58-4-1.woh.res.rr.com. 86393 IN A 184.58.4.1 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: woh.res.rr.com. 33630 IN NS dns-sec-01.ohiordc.rr.com. woh.res.rr.com. 33630 IN NS dns-pri-01.ohiordc.rr.com. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: dns-pri-01.ohiordc.rr.com. 3313 IN A 65.24.0.164 May 13 20:17:50 GAN900: weird, a troll on a years old nameserv account May 13 20:19:54 err nickserv of course May 13 20:20:21 ] -NickServ- Registered : May 02 08:29:14 2010 (1 year, 1 week, 4 days, 10:37:50 ago) May 13 20:45:41 why does my fremantle (N90) not see the emmc, just the memory card after launching the pdfreader ? May 13 20:46:04 Is it plugged into USB? May 13 20:46:11 I am trying to click on the open option there, but it does not see the emmc meaning that it does not see the /home/user directory either May 13 20:46:20 it is not. May 13 20:46:41 Is this a n900 which has never been over-the-air upgraded, and is still on PR1.0? May 13 20:46:59 yep May 13 20:47:20 I vaguely recall that this is the symptom you see if the emmc has failed. May 13 20:47:40 However, it could also be that reflashing will fix it, as it's merely corrupt. May 13 20:48:03 I'd start looking at dmesg to see if there are any errors listed. May 13 20:48:21 I am at the airport and the route map is in pdf May 13 20:48:38 I would like to take a look at it somehow, is there a possible workaround ? May 13 20:48:41 ah. May 13 20:48:44 Umm May 13 20:48:49 from cli ? May 13 20:49:13 does /home/user appear in the cli? May 13 20:49:18 yep May 13 20:50:03 In that case - ignore above comments. First I'd try rebooting. Then I'd try copying the pdf over - cp - from the home dir to the SD card May 13 20:50:27 it writes the sd card format is not supported. May 13 20:50:32 so I am afraid the copy would not help May 13 20:50:47 cannot I just run the pdfviewer from cli ? May 13 20:51:05 what is the name of the pdfviewer binary ? May 13 20:51:46 ah May 13 20:51:54 osso something May 13 20:52:01 It may be tricky May 13 20:52:09 Much stuff doesn't work well from CLI May 13 20:52:38 true, osso_pdfviewer May 13 20:52:42 If you can find the pdf on a google search, you can click on the 'quick view' link to get it to render as pdf May 13 20:52:47 however, it does not open any pdf May 13 20:54:34 seems this system is completely broken somehow May 13 20:54:51 there is no even error message on the stdout/err May 13 20:55:39 Most of the included programs don't reallyu do normal stfout May 13 20:56:01 well I have no idea how to fix it May 13 20:56:43 should I reinstall the pdfviewer ? May 13 20:57:55 The pdf viewer is working as normal. May 13 20:57:57 osso_pdfviewer opens it for me May 13 20:58:04 You need to work out why it's not mounting the emmc May 13 20:58:17 Or that. May 13 20:58:27 cat /proc/partitions - does it list the emmc? May 13 20:59:00 However - first - if the web browser is working - I'd be looking for some service I cnn use to convert pdfs to html May 13 20:59:03 pr1.0 ??!? o-O :-o May 13 20:59:50 I doubt anybody here still remembers all the quirks it had May 13 20:59:59 SpeedEvil what is the name of the emmc that I should see there ? May 13 21:00:06 That was 1997 or so, right? May 13 21:00:18 mmcblk1p* I see May 13 21:00:23 * GAN900 wonders how many are left who remember OS2005. May 13 21:00:49 /dev/mmcblk1p* May 13 21:01:03 yes, it it is there May 13 21:01:18 They should be listed with sizes - 32 million blocks or so May 13 21:01:33 yep it is May 13 21:01:49 ?? /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat May 13 21:02:41 SpeedEvil: however it is not mounted according to the "mount" output. May 13 21:02:42 but that might change on PR1.0 when no uSD is inserted May 13 21:02:49 or a defect one May 13 21:02:52 iirc May 13 21:02:55 I am guessing the /home/user/MyDocs is the memory then May 13 21:02:58 (rename bug) May 13 21:03:25 MyDocs is the largest part of eMMC May 13 21:03:48 sure May 13 21:03:54 but not in this case, just in normal case May 13 21:04:07 eeh? May 13 21:04:42 "eeh?" ? May 13 21:04:53 sorry you lost me May 13 21:04:57 thanks. May 13 21:05:28 SpeedEvil: do you have any idea how to fix this issue ? May 13 21:06:15 if you'd a bit more precisely explain the issue, it would help May 13 21:06:47 what is not clear ? May 13 21:07:58 e.g if you see both mmcblk0* and mmcblk1* in output of mount, and what exactly they show May 13 21:08:10 ofc I do not see. May 13 21:08:13 as I said above May 13 21:10:10 http://paste.kde.org/65851/ May 13 21:10:53 ev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 May 13 21:11:10 so your eMMC seems to work on a hw level May 13 21:11:28 but I don't see neither MyDocs nor the uSD May 13 21:11:52 tbh it looks like a system in mass storage mode May 13 21:12:12 docscrutinizer, where can i find a list that details the numbers of all the interrupts. May 13 21:12:12 however it is not May 13 21:12:34 SpeedEvil's suggestion to reboot was a reasonable one May 13 21:12:50 then watch dmesg output if there are any errors May 13 21:12:59 it happened almost 1000 times in the last months May 13 21:13:08 also after that saying tbh May 13 21:14:01 you *might* try to run fsck.vfat on the /dev/mmcblk* devices May 13 21:14:05 very fragile system /me sighs sighs May 13 21:14:15 you *might* try to run fsck.vfat on the /dev/mmcblk0p1 particularly devices May 13 21:15:01 djszapi: PR1.0 is obsolete like hell, and should've been updated since like a year or so May 13 21:15:35 who cares about update, if the pdfreader is supposed to work on that May 13 21:15:48 I do not need the bleding edge features, just a simple pdf read... May 13 21:15:50 hell, PR1.0 wasn't even optified May 13 21:16:32 yeah, and odds are the pdf viewing process opens a 200MB file in /tmp, then you're screwed on PR1.0 May 13 21:16:39 and as said, I do not have time for it at the airport, anyway May 13 21:16:54 hell I remember the first n900 I got May 13 21:16:54 sorry, I can't help any better May 13 21:16:58 had pr1.0 May 13 21:17:04 crashed every 20 mins May 13 21:17:08 yeah May 13 21:17:18 and after a fixed amount of crashes was bricked May 13 21:17:21 most likely I do not even have PR1.0..... May 13 21:17:23 unless you go r&d mode May 13 21:17:48 merlin1991: "houston, we have a problem!" ;-P May 13 21:18:04 I got the n900 May 13 21:18:06 was uberhappy May 13 21:18:07 those were the gamnes May 13 21:18:11 went to university May 13 21:18:18 logged in to wireless May 13 21:18:22 fsck did not help either... May 13 21:18:25 had some fun and crashes for about 1hr May 13 21:18:31 and after that it didn't boot anymore May 13 21:18:45 "houston, we have a problem" May 13 21:18:50 merlin1991: please stop using enter after each 2-3 words. May 13 21:18:54 djszapi: I am afraid nobody can help you instantly right now May 13 21:19:27 yeah, it seems a very difficult issue to me as well. May 13 21:19:42 I even called nokia support, but they were no help at all, but I found the solution on nokia forums some time later May 13 21:20:00 indeed, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see somebody help you out. But I think it's a hopeless case May 13 21:20:19 I'd suggest a full reflash May 13 21:20:25 Version: 20.2010.36-2 May 13 21:20:33 but that obviously doesn't help you right now May 13 21:20:54 djszapi: that would be pr 1.3 o_O May 13 21:21:15 djszapi: so try to mount it May 13 21:21:36 try to mount what into where ? May 13 21:22:07 /dev/mmcblk0p1 into /home/user/MyDocs May 13 21:22:36 mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs/ failed: Invalid argument May 13 21:22:53 from 'mount': /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat May 13 21:23:16 ls -l /dev/mmcblk0* May 13 21:23:54 do you see that device at all? May 13 21:24:06 http://paste.kde.org/65893/ May 13 21:24:06 even May 13 21:24:11 ls -l /dev/mmcblk* May 13 21:24:22 erm.... May 13 21:24:37 mhm good enough May 13 21:24:39 a laptop is very unhandy without a mouse May 13 21:24:51 ls -l /hoem/user/M* May 13 21:24:54 http://paste.kde.org/65905/ May 13 21:24:58 ls -l /home/user/M* May 13 21:25:15 that is the MyDocs May 13 21:25:20 and its content May 13 21:25:43 mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs/ May 13 21:25:43 mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs/ failed: Invalid argument May 13 21:25:52 well, that's your eMMC content then May 13 21:25:57 should be May 13 21:26:06 most likely not May 13 21:26:14 since emmc is not mounted May 13 21:26:47 IroN900:/home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives# df -h /home/user/MyDocs/ May 13 21:26:48 dmesg: http://paste.kde.org/65911/ May 13 21:26:49 Dateisystem Size Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf May 13 21:26:50 /dev/mmcblk0p1 28G 21G 6,6G 76% /home/user/MyDocs May 13 21:27:06 so you are from Germany, nice to know, that is May 13 21:27:13 I am heading to Berlin ;) May 13 21:27:15 Finally: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/war/110513/osama-bin-laden-pornography May 13 21:28:03 DocScrutinizer: as you see in the output of mount more times, it is the memory card May 13 21:28:11 the emmc is not mounted at all May 13 21:28:47 http://paste.kde.org/65917/ May 13 21:28:54 17.339660] mmc1: new high speed MMC card at address 0001 May 13 21:28:56 [ 17.358123] mmcblk1: mmc1:0001 MMC32G 29.8 GiB May 13 21:28:57 [ 17.358459] mmcblk1: p1 p2 p3 May 13 21:29:41 there's a confusion about names of mmcblk0 vs mmcblk1 May 13 21:29:54 they get swapped during boot eventually May 13 21:30:15 so what ? May 13 21:30:16 \o/ nokia May 13 21:31:25 /proc/partitons shows my uSD: 179 0 15663104 mmcblk0 -- and my eMMC: 179 9 28315648 mmcblk1p1 May 13 21:31:33 /o\ Nokia May 13 21:31:37 okay, so what ? May 13 21:31:40 NB mount says different May 13 21:31:59 idea for a fix ? May 13 21:32:03 or workaround ? May 13 21:32:20 df -h /home/user/MyDocs/ May 13 21:32:47 you got it. May 13 21:33:17 http://paste.kde.org/65917/ May 13 21:33:27 sorry, hard to type without mouse, that is why it is hard to repeat :) May 13 21:33:27 ohh missed that May 13 21:33:34 it is not arrogance or something like that May 13 21:33:35 it's not mounted, definitely May 13 21:33:42 it is not. May 13 21:33:49 I wonder why not. May 13 21:33:55 me too May 13 21:34:14 especially I don't get it why mount barfs May 13 21:34:20 mmh...it is odd.... May 13 21:34:28 it is not even in the /etc/fstab... May 13 21:35:02 http://paste.kde.org/65923/ May 13 21:35:47 anyway, memory card or emmc, should not actually matter....I mean the pdfviewer should be capable to open both... May 13 21:36:17 however the settings/memory writes that my memory card is corrupted. May 13 21:36:23 no clue why May 13 21:37:01 DocScrutinizer: how about your /etc/fstab/ ? May 13 21:37:11 it is not a folder, that is just a typo :) May 13 21:37:14 I'm starting to shoot blind now, on your own peril: ke-recv-test m; ke-recv-test ej May 13 21:37:34 mh ? May 13 21:38:08 fstab: /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs vfat noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir 0 0 May 13 21:38:30 what about that line ? May 13 21:38:33 fstab is generated dynamically on boottime May 13 21:38:53 if it's missing in yours, it means something went wrong during boot May 13 21:39:09 well, I gave you the dmesg output. May 13 21:39:42 :nod: but it's been a bit lengthy to scan each single line May 13 21:39:49 anyway, why cannot I mount it "manually" now as a hackaround ? May 13 21:39:53 I'll give it a second glance now May 13 21:40:02 yeah May 13 21:40:21 try mount with all the parameters above May 13 21:40:29 then check *end* of dmesg May 13 21:40:40 can you give me the command ? May 13 21:40:50 otherwise I just modify the fstab and mount -a ... May 13 21:40:57 mompls, don't know off top of my head either May 13 21:41:08 fair enough, do that May 13 21:41:15 right, let me do it with fstab mod May 13 21:41:25 same May 13 21:41:27 invalid argument May 13 21:41:38 yay, you're fast :-) May 13 21:41:47 see at end of dmesg May 13 21:41:56 should show some errors May 13 21:42:11 sorry May 13 21:42:17 checkin soon to Berlin ;-) May 13 21:42:25 Thank you for your time :) May 13 21:42:28 yw May 13 21:42:33 good luck May 13 21:44:21 and have a nice flight May 13 21:45:25 * DocScrutinizer wonders if /home is r/o and needs a fsck.ext3 May 13 21:46:48 djszapi: just an idea: remove uSD and reboot May 13 21:47:01 whoo my LiveView is working with Maemo \m/ May 13 21:47:15 DocScrutinizer: the ogg-support issue is getting weird May 13 21:47:24 I reupgraded to 1.0.7 and it works May 13 21:47:29 need to find out why May 13 21:48:10 HAHAHA May 13 21:48:32 merlin1991: seen my comment about dbus-send in postrm? May 13 21:49:05 saw it, the difference is, last time I upgraded via ham, this time ssh as root May 13 21:49:29 it breaks exactly when you try to rm the pkg (or update, for that behalf, I guess) vie apt-get in a true rootsh, or via fapman May 13 21:50:52 last time I upgraded with ham, and it did break :/ May 13 21:50:55 kulve: ping May 13 21:51:00 yeah, so odds are you only think you updated to 1.0.7 but actually it errored out on postrm of 1.0.6 this time May 13 21:51:33 nope this time I used a ssh session May 13 21:51:35 and apt-get May 13 21:51:47 merlin1991: try run-standalone.sh apt-get foo bar May 13 21:52:17 rebooting atm May 13 21:52:41 apt may even tell you you got 1.0.7 installed ind still you have the old 1.0.6 still May 13 21:53:00 ogg-support left all it's 1.0.6 packages that aren't referenced by 1.0.7 May 13 21:53:15 s/referenced/depended on/ May 13 21:53:15 merlin1991 meant: ogg-support left all it's 1.0.6 packages that aren't depended on by 1.0.7 May 13 21:53:16 you only can tell for sure by looking at the binary you meant to install, I guess May 13 21:54:11 ah yes, removed the leftover dependencies and it broke May 13 21:54:16 aiui apt-get install first runs postrm of ld version, then preinstall of new one May 13 21:54:55 if postrm breaks due to dbus-send throwing error, you're quite screwed May 13 21:55:43 btw if I remove a gstreamer package, do I have to reboot to make sure it isn't loaded to mem somewhere, or can I assume it is / use some command towards gstreamer May 13 21:56:12 wouldn't dare to guess :-) May 13 21:56:40 rebuilding tracker db atm May 13 21:57:38 maybe I reduce the amount of media files on the n900 while I do that testing May 13 22:00:57 merlin1991: tracker* runs as user. You can change perms of dir May 13 22:01:25 cd /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds && mkdir .temp && mv * .temp May 13 22:01:27 does it too May 13 22:01:38 sure? May 13 22:01:42 yes May 13 22:01:42 ;-D May 13 22:01:51 tracker doesn't check in "hidden" folders May 13 22:01:56 well, when you do it as root, then sure May 13 22:02:01 nah May 13 22:02:11 I got rid of my album art that way May 13 22:02:15 definitely tracker checks a lot of hidden folders May 13 22:02:18 (album art in fotos) May 13 22:02:30 I moved all the album art into the .mediaartlocal folders May 13 22:03:52 .images, .sounds, .videos May 13 22:04:07 all typical dirs for tracker to index May 13 22:04:21 they are in the tracker config explecitely named afaik May 13 22:04:29 maybe May 13 22:05:17 chown root:root MyDocs/.sounds May 13 22:05:47 chmod go-rwx .sounds May 13 22:05:58 # List of directory roots to index and watch (separator=;) May 13 22:05:58 WatchDirectoryRoots=$HOME/MyDocs/.sounds/;$HOME/MyDocs/.documents/;$HOME/MyDocs/.videos/;$HOME/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/;$HOME/MyDocs/.camera/ May 13 22:05:58 is a safe way May 13 22:06:06 :nod: May 13 22:06:21 probably yours wors as well May 13 22:06:26 works* May 13 22:07:18 though there seems a diff between watchdirs and indexed dirs May 13 22:07:49 whatever, I fsckd my tracker by messing with those settings May 13 22:07:54 :D May 13 22:08:15 I'm in a manual reboot loop atm May 13 22:09:12 I'm in too-late-for-breakfast, too-early for-yawning mode (and I'm yawning like a dog) May 13 22:09:20 manual reboot loop? .. lol :) May 13 22:09:39 cehteh: remove 1 package reboot check, repeat May 13 22:09:58 ouch May 13 22:10:10 lrn2b-tree May 13 22:10:55 how often do you weigh to find the light screw out of 128? May 13 22:10:58 and there are about 15 packages apt marks as to be removed when upgrading from 1.0.6 to 1.0.7 but after you do that falc's dead May 13 22:11:24 fu doc ;) May 13 22:11:30 ;-P May 13 22:13:03 falc? May 13 22:13:10 ShadowJK: flac May 13 22:13:11 flac May 13 22:14:46 merlin1991: my suggestion wasn't correct. It's based on a false assumption of only one object to find in the crowd May 13 22:15:19 I'm actually starting to get the idea where the problem might come from May 13 22:15:20 odds are there are more than one file spoiling the game May 13 22:15:51 have to look at postinst of ogg-support 1.0.7 and postrm of gstreamer0.10-flac May 13 22:16:18 merlin1991: eager to earn the title today? :-) May 13 22:16:33 my bet is May 13 22:16:37 preinst? May 13 22:16:42 that 1.0.7 works just fine May 13 22:16:44 BUG May 13 22:16:46 *BUT* May 13 22:17:15 removal of 1.0.6 fails May 13 22:17:19 ? May 13 22:17:33 since gstreamer-flac stays around not depended on, so it gets removed later on, it propbably removes the the file type / mime association then May 13 22:17:35 so 1.0.7 can't install correctly May 13 22:17:49 haha May 13 22:18:00 that's be hilarious May 13 22:18:18 a race condition in the install process since it switched package names May 13 22:18:37 "race" in a broader sense here :P May 13 22:18:46 yeah May 13 22:19:05 kulve will owe you a booze eve May 13 22:22:05 IroN900:~# find /var -name '*mime*' May 13 22:22:06 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libhildonmime0.shlibs May 13 22:22:08 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libhildonmime0.postinst May 13 22:22:10 FWIW May 13 22:22:15 ... May 13 22:23:36 IroN900:/var/lib/dpkg/info# grep flac * May 13 22:24:02 IroN900:/var/lib/dpkg/info# grep flac *|wc -l May 13 22:24:03 45 May 13 22:25:31 ogg-support.postinst: /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -a audio/x-vorbis+ogg -a audio/x-flac+ogg -a audio/x-flac -a application/ogg -a audio/ogg May 13 22:25:33 ogg-support.postrm: /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d audio/x-vorbis+ogg -d audio/x-flac+ogg -d audio/x-flac -d application/ogg -d audio/ogg May 13 22:26:03 that's on the wrong package level though May 13 22:26:37 since at the point of 1.0.7 working ogg-support 1.0.7 is already installed May 13 22:26:53 it only breaks later on when I remove the packages not longer depended on May 13 22:27:47 decoders-support.postrm: /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d application/x-pn-realaudio -d audio/vnd.rn-realaudio -d audio/x-pn-realaudio -d audio/x-musepack May 13 22:27:49 ogg-support.postrm: /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d audio/x-vorbis+ogg -d audio/x-flac+ogg -d audio/x-flac -d application/ogg -d audio/ogg May 13 22:30:58 merlin1991: maybe you could test if a simple >> /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -a audio/x-vorbis+ogg -a audio/x-flac+ogg -a audio/x-flac -a application/ogg -a audio/ogg<< fixes everything May 13 22:32:42 if filemanager fails to playback .flac, then we probably need to check were the actual assignment of audio/x-flac+ogg=*.flac is done May 13 22:33:03 hm I broke it completely May 13 22:33:12 now 1.0.6 doesn't work either May 13 22:33:14 FFS May 13 22:33:22 mehehe May 13 22:33:24 sorry May 13 22:33:29 ah wait May 13 22:33:33 I did redowngrade May 13 22:33:43 but forgot to remove the 1.0.7 new packages May 13 22:33:50 yeah May 13 22:33:54 wich again are not here anymore but still here May 13 22:35:31 still not working, but it's reboot time May 13 22:35:58 there has to be some way to completely reload gstreamer without rebooting :/ May 13 22:36:41 you should mv /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype_real; echo -e "#!/bin/sh\necho borktest:"$@" \n/usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype_real "$@"' >/usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype May 13 22:37:01 stop mafw? May 13 22:37:34 /etc/init.d/pulsaudio reload May 13 22:37:36 ? May 13 22:37:59 I bet there's *some* way May 13 22:39:19 but you also want system to regenerate all the mimetype caches May 13 22:39:54 which I'm not sure it does on anything except boot May 13 22:40:24 so keep the manual rebooting it is then May 13 22:42:23 okay I just learned something the hard way May 13 22:42:38 tracker-processes -r as root doesn't kill the right cache May 13 22:49:00 it deletes $HOME/.tracker/whatever May 13 22:50:14 yep, the $HOME there is the problem May 13 22:50:48 btw MohammadAG does the openmediaplayer work with opening files from file manager, or is that still tbd? May 13 23:06:58 merlin1991: might be right - good find :-) May 13 23:08:20 okay removing tracker-extractor-flac didn't break it May 13 23:08:28 going on to gstreamer0.10-flac May 13 23:10:56 merlin1991, tbd May 13 23:11:11 or wtf is mime type in Qt May 13 23:11:26 I had such a nice uptime on the n900 May 13 23:11:32 just to break it with 30 reboots today :P May 13 23:12:08 tbh I can't stand the handshake nokia video anymore May 13 23:12:45 merlin1991: you can turn them off :P May 13 23:13:02 merlin1991, replace it with the Vista/7 startup logo May 13 23:13:08 for sure :D May 13 23:13:08 haha May 13 23:13:18 wp7? :) May 13 23:13:27 nah May 13 23:13:51 random clips from q3 fragmovies would be awesome May 13 23:13:56 KDE "startup video" :D May 13 23:14:10 FIQ|n900: I don't even know that one May 13 23:14:19 MeeGo crashed, yay May 13 23:15:07 merlin1991, it's not a video, just a loading screen after logging in with KDM May 13 23:18:11 MohammadAG: can it be that the current cssu takes really lowquality splashscreens? May 13 23:18:37 merlin1991, hildon-desktop takes those May 13 23:18:38 when I open the openmediaplayer, the splashscreen looks like a low quality jpeg May 13 23:18:46 and PVRs are low quality by design May 13 23:41:38 MohammadAG: "meego crashed" are you using the de version? May 13 23:52:06 HAH May 13 23:52:13 I FOUND THE EVIL PACKAGE May 13 23:52:24 what was in it? May 13 23:52:26 of it was the 10th out of 11, but still :D May 13 23:52:27 candy? May 13 23:52:51 for some reason gstreamer0.10-ogg has /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d audio/x-vorbis+ogg -d audio/x-flac+ogg -d audio/x-flac -d application/ogg -d audio/ogg in it's postrm May 13 23:53:08 wait May 13 23:53:09 no May 13 23:53:13 looked at wrong file May 13 23:53:26 but it still broke after I removed gstreamer0.10-ogg May 14 00:12:44 merlin1991: wasn't that (has /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -d ) exactly what I searched for? May 14 00:12:57 that was a mistake by me May 14 00:13:02 looked into the wrong deb when checking May 14 00:13:11 btw the issue is getting even weirder now May 14 00:13:36 I removed tracker-extractor-flac libvorbisfile3 gstreamer0.10-vorbis May 14 00:13:36 tracker-extractor-vorbis gstreamer0.10-flac libvorbisenc2 May 14 00:13:36 gstreamer0.10-theora libtheora0 libflac May 14 00:13:50 then I attempted to remove gstreamer0.10-ogg May 14 00:13:59 where after the reboot flac didn't work anymore May 14 00:14:07 but now I installed that package again May 14 00:14:11 and it still doesn't work May 14 00:21:45 * merlin1991 is stating to think the he might have done a apt-get autoremove at some point that broke the device May 14 00:22:17 for now I'll just revert to 1.0.6 and I'll flash as soon as I can to test that May 14 01:53:19 anything happening May 14 01:53:51 in thhe maemo world May 14 01:54:00 Not really. May 14 01:54:32 iv abanded ship im chating on a playbook May 14 01:55:00 not nearly as slick as the n810 May 14 01:55:07 It was a beautiful dream. May 14 01:56:25 no apps at all May 14 02:19:43 i'd like to read a doc on arm asm for the omap 3430, been looking around at ti.com, nothing i've gotten so far is that helpful May 14 02:19:46 still digging May 14 02:20:05 What do you mean 'arm asm for' May 14 02:20:20 like the processor reference May 14 02:20:31 instruction set, addressing modes, etc May 14 02:20:51 The general core docs are on arm.com I think May 14 02:20:59 ti doesn't have a 'databook' May 14 02:21:15 I don't recall seeing a programming databook May 14 02:21:20 and the other databooks seem more like sales brocures May 14 02:22:09 so cortex A8 and A9 are multivendor references from arm.com? May 14 02:22:38 (seem to remember nvidia has cortex A8 also) May 14 02:22:50 look up the omap 3530 May 14 02:23:12 this is the similar processor that's not 'OEM only'. May 14 02:23:26 http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3530.html May 14 02:25:21 was originally looking for docs for the pandaboard one(omap 4430) then decided i would like to read docs on both May 14 02:27:29 love my n900, looking at eventually integrating an n900 into my motorcycle May 14 02:27:37 er a pandaboard May 14 02:28:03 though dunno yet how i'll weatherproof it May 14 02:29:17 the n900 alone .. not at all May 14 02:29:27 but with some protection it works well May 14 02:29:40 btw you get arm docs at arm.com May 14 02:31:11 the n900 i would not consider permamounting May 14 02:31:38 maybe permanent velcro fuzzy side stuck to some portion the the back May 14 02:31:43 of May 14 02:32:07 http://www.christeck.de/wp/2009/02/28/nokia-n810-in-a-home-grown-bike-mount/ May 14 02:32:28 christoph made a geek pr0n box :) May 14 02:32:43 but no, i was going to mount a pandaboard inside my fairing and use some sort of augmented reality display May 14 02:32:48 bad for touchscreen use .. but a car can run over it :) May 14 02:33:36 i made a abs/neoprene pouch by myself, but its not weatherproof May 14 02:33:36 yes, the omap3503-hirel databook is pinouts and riming diagrams May 14 02:33:43 i'll look for stuff at arm.com May 14 02:33:50 (well i can put it in a ziplock bag) May 14 02:33:59 i plan on taking the n900 camping with me May 14 02:34:08 i do so too May 14 02:34:11 my strategy for poor weather was ziplock May 14 02:34:31 should work .. just needs some more protection against rough abouse May 14 02:34:52 gonna try to get a cheap toughbook next month too May 14 02:34:59 need something that will run madde May 14 02:34:59 there are a lot silicone rubber pouches meanwhile May 14 02:35:36 my compaq 2510p (with SSD meanwhile) is quite rugged .. and much cheaper than a toughbook May 14 02:35:53 i'm looking at doing some travel writing for extra income May 14 02:35:53 thinkpads as well May 14 02:36:10 and have some potential ideas for maperro enhancements May 14 02:36:29 * cehteh is amazed by monav now May 14 02:36:41 you can get a pentium M 256M toughbook for $200 May 14 02:36:47 i dont use mappero much anymore May 14 02:36:54 but it's a puny pc by today's standards May 14 02:36:59 ah yes ok May 14 02:37:06 and may as well do native development as to try to use that May 14 02:37:10 well i need bit more horsepower May 14 02:37:26 that one is too crippled for me May 14 02:37:36 must be expandable to 4G RAM May 14 02:37:45 1.2Ghz Dualcore 4GB ram isnt that much too .. but that works for me May 14 02:37:51 (and 64 bit) May 14 02:38:19 i'm using a supercheap minitower dekstop with only 2g ram May 14 02:38:39 i end up page faulting to limbo on occassion May 14 02:38:46 my desktop was less powerful than my laptop for quite some time May 14 02:38:52 like 20 minutes to get to a text console from X May 14 02:38:59 well and now my wife has the biggiest computer :P May 14 02:39:04 does anyone remember the name of that project to run android apps under maemo? any status update? May 14 02:39:24 i have a phenom 2 x4 945 8gb ram in storage... maybe May 14 02:39:27 alien dalvic? .. no idea about its state May 14 02:39:46 thanks May 14 02:40:07 it would be neat to be able to use the google voice recognition without the rest of android May 14 02:40:27 especially if you could use their cloud to do it :) May 14 02:40:52 i wonder if some vendor eventually releases an open android platform May 14 02:41:06 that would be partially nice May 14 02:41:15 (not exactly what i want but getting closer) May 14 02:41:21 some hacked android platforms seem to have some buzz around them May 14 02:41:34 hacked nook color are popular May 14 02:41:51 i dislike this jailbreaking .. i dont want to support a vendor which is nannying his users May 14 02:42:20 sadly by that view you shouldn't buy a new n900 even today May 14 02:42:31 vendors should become committed to open/free platforms May 14 02:42:41 nokia isn't supporting us and is discontinuing further development along these lines May 14 02:42:51 well the n900 is the closest you can get currently May 14 02:42:58 (freerunner aside) May 14 02:43:10 the pandaboard isn't a handheld May 14 02:43:29 yes i am after a smartphone/internet tablet May 14 02:43:30 but it looks like it could end up having a free handheld spring out of it's community May 14 02:43:33 well i ahve my n900 May 14 02:43:44 nothing else in sight which could replace it May 14 02:44:09 if it would die now then i take a dumb phone out of the drawer for the next time May 14 02:44:47 my poor friend had his truck looted recently and they got his n800 May 14 02:45:07 bet a pawn shop won't give the thief a thing for it May 14 02:45:11 not a cell phone May 14 02:45:17 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/herotab-8-touch-screen-lcd-google-android-2-3-tablet-pc-w-wi-fi-usb-host-hdmi-tf-cortex-a8-59631 May 14 02:46:02 * SpeedEvil idly wonders if dx does a referral program. May 14 02:46:38 http://picasaweb.google.ca/astrangelove/disassembled/ May 14 02:46:51 i have plenty of room to mount a pandaboard on my bike May 14 02:46:53 huge bike May 14 02:47:48 http://www.mauve.plus.com/fascia.jpg May 14 02:48:26 (above was the result of believing the repair manual, and attempting to change the heater control knobs. May 14 02:51:01 i started taking lots of pictures disassembling my bike because the pics in the manual for putting it back together and inadequate May 14 02:51:45 haha May 14 02:51:52 my bike you have to take that far apart just to0 do a normal tuneup May 14 02:52:09 That is a good plan, yes. May 14 02:52:13 Video also helps. May 14 02:52:17 well, i would be putting it back together and my memory isn't as good as when i was 20 May 14 02:52:20 For when you forgot to take pictures. May 14 02:52:44 when i disassemble a laptop or such you usually place the screws on a plate refering to the positions they where build in May 14 02:52:51 yeah May 14 02:52:56 and some of the parts are damned difficult to put back on May 14 02:52:58 cardboard can work well too May 14 02:53:01 but it sux when you thow that plate over May 14 02:53:05 draw little diagrams May 14 02:53:18 of the part, and put screws in the cardboard May 14 02:53:23 i used to have a photomimetic memory for the insides of machine May 14 02:53:25 s May 14 02:53:50 you are not 40 yet? :) May 14 02:53:54 all things pass with time :) May 14 02:54:00 i'm 43 May 14 02:54:00 haha May 14 02:54:02 ok May 14 02:54:27 not as easy as when i was young :) May 14 02:54:59 look at the bright side .. years ago i could go into cinema and would remember every movie in detail .. now i can watch and enjoy them a 2nd time :P May 14 02:55:07 lol May 14 02:55:09 hell May 14 02:55:15 i fall asleep watching movies May 14 02:55:21 they are new the 4th time May 14 02:55:27 haha May 14 02:55:44 i had a head injury an ever sense if i concentrate that long on one thing i sleep May 14 02:56:03 ok May 14 02:56:18 gotten better May 14 02:56:27 i can usually watch an hour at a time May 14 02:56:43 i've watched 8 episodes of cosmos in 2 days one at a time May 14 02:57:10 that's 30 years old and still a good science program May 14 02:57:33 but i swear he NEVER says: 'Billions and Billions' May 14 02:58:03 he does use large numbers an awful lot though May 14 02:58:15 anyone using the "latitude & buzz" app? May 14 02:58:21 the scale of the universe from small to large is boggling May 14 02:58:29 i use the lattitude app May 14 02:58:38 on n900? May 14 02:58:39 stopped working right a while back May 14 02:58:42 not tried recently May 14 02:58:45 yes May 14 02:58:55 yeah, it says it cant find my friends list May 14 02:59:09 was wondering if anyone knew what the problem was May 14 02:59:14 i think last time i tried it worked May 14 02:59:37 i'm gonna do my own geoloc sharing solution i think May 14 02:59:43 i have a friendly server **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 14 02:59:58 2011