**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 14 02:59:59 2011 May 14 03:00:19 latitude would be great if it allowed control to the level that picasa does May 14 03:00:35 sometimes i *want* my location to be public to anyone who knows the url May 14 03:00:52 sometimes i want only friends May 14 03:00:59 sometimes i want only some friends May 14 03:01:51 i have a broken package on my n900 and haven't bothered debugging to fix spkg May 14 03:01:53 dpkg May 14 03:02:21 i know fixing it starts with dpkg --pending --reconfigure May 14 03:02:53 and then i think if i reinstall the one that starts the huge cascade of failure i should be able to fix it May 14 03:02:57 too much like qwork May 14 05:35:19 morning DocScrutinizer May 14 05:35:43 I got stucked in Riga, Latvia, currently in a "Coffee Buffet" and all of us are waiting for the airline to provide a flight to Berlin. May 14 05:35:54 I can try to remove the uSD and reboot. May 14 05:36:06 there will be no other choice than the emmc then, good idea :) May 14 08:18:50 DocScrutinizer, btw, I just went over the hotswap thread again May 14 08:19:04 I forgot to say that hotswapping the sim works in the same way May 14 08:19:15 just put the device into offline mode before doing it May 14 09:17:25 meamo project is going on ? May 14 09:17:40 sweb: No. May 14 09:17:53 SpeedEvil, why Nokia do this ? May 14 09:18:26 all platform going to Linux, Nokia going on Windows mobile !?! May 14 09:52:19 sweb: because linux sucks May 14 09:52:47 on desktop linux has still same problems as it had 5 years ago May 14 09:52:50 graphics and sound May 14 09:53:28 jacekowski, yeah companies wants to tell you, you are our slave, follow us May 14 10:05:57 no, linux just sucks May 14 10:06:16 if nobody can fix same problem for 5 years then what is the point May 14 10:07:57 jacekowski: come on, we have added power management and wifi since to the problem list :p May 14 10:08:43 jacekowski: with a product lifecycle measured in months who would bother writing drivers for an obscure OS? May 14 10:08:58 it's just that i sort of help people sometimes on one of ubuntu channels May 14 10:09:14 and people have same problems as they used to have 5 years ago May 14 10:09:44 tbh most of those are probably the same problems they had 10 years ago on debian, suse, and redhat May 14 10:09:52 yeah May 14 10:10:05 wish there was a solution May 14 10:10:28 jacekowski, what's your problem exactly ? May 14 10:10:51 Erm... to be fair, I'm playing TF2 via Wine on my Linux desktop right now... and getting 40+fps at 1920x1080, 4x AA./// May 14 10:10:56 and perfect sound May 14 10:11:00 since i moved to windows i have no problems May 14 10:11:02 sweb: that noone writes even remotely proper drivers on Linux May 14 10:11:21 chx: well, nvidia makes proper drivers May 14 10:11:41 chx: but ubuntu people instead of packaging them in user friendly way decided to go noveau way May 14 10:11:52 jacekowski: very honest question. Not a jab. Malware? I have no idea of the malware situation on newer Windows versions May 14 10:12:15 malware's not hard to avoid. May 14 10:12:21 chx, wifi cards or etc ? May 14 10:12:24 chx: well, thing is that most of malware is using bugs in 3rd party apps May 14 10:12:34 chx: like firefox, flash or acrobat reader May 14 10:12:36 malware protection these days on windows is basically May 14 10:12:40 1) keep java up to date May 14 10:12:40 sweb: wifi, graphics, printer, power management, you name it. May 14 10:12:43 2) repeat step 1 May 14 10:12:46 chx: and most of these bugs are on linux May 14 10:12:58 yeah but noone exploits them on Linux May 14 10:13:03 :) May 14 10:13:06 chx: it's just that nobody bothers to exploit them on linux May 14 10:13:11 correct. May 14 10:13:14 that's totally correct. May 14 10:13:22 security by obscurity is a very risky game to play May 14 10:13:33 you tell me. May 14 10:14:00 I really dunno, these days i browse, watch movies, listen to music -- and webdevelop May 14 10:14:00 microsoft came up with nice thing, UAC virtualisation May 14 10:14:06 and the last gives me pause to go Windows May 14 10:14:08 which is sandboxing for applications May 14 10:14:43 not perfect and many apps have problem with it so it's disabled for most applications May 14 10:15:00 but maybe in windows 8 they will make it work for every application May 14 10:15:01 jacekowski, for example my laptop have NVIDIA GPU. so bad and awe full, so warm and reduce system performance but check ATI and check it. NVIDIA work with Microsoft and AMD and ATI supported by open architecture. so problem is for hardware not software May 14 10:15:32 Erm, Nvidia and ATI both have propretary drivers for Linux May 14 10:15:34 sweb: ati drivers are not half as good as nvidia drivers May 14 10:15:43 There are OSS drivers being worked on for both May 14 10:15:53 jacekowski: is the software uninstall nightmare solved in Windows 7? I am trying to judge wheher i should yield. May 14 10:16:15 chx: pretty much yes May 14 10:16:40 chx: and another thing, dynamic linking in linux is fubar May 14 10:16:50 jacekowski, ATI is sub of AMD. AMD is linux sponser. ATI and Intel graphic cards have open architecture May 14 10:17:01 sweb: so? May 14 10:17:05 sweb: drivers are still shit May 14 10:17:07 They're still crap May 14 10:17:27 sweb: open nouveau drivers for nvidia are shit as well May 14 10:17:49 intel drivers are not so bad but their cards are shit instead May 14 10:18:12 chx: upgrading single lib may take down whole system May 14 10:18:21 jacekowski: correct May 14 10:18:36 chx: and as some people tried, dynamic linking isn't really saving disk space May 14 10:18:52 chx: and it's slowing things down May 14 10:18:54 jacekowski: look, listen, i wrote a desperate blog post about how i am left without a usable OS May 14 10:19:29 jacekowski: i dread going Windows. I have used Windows for 10+ years from 3.1 to XP and the experience is horrendous May 14 10:20:00 jacekowski: at least on Linux the operating system does not do more than what i tell it to do. I went bonkers that Windows always made up its mind and i couldnt do jack shit. May 14 10:20:26 chx: windows 7 is lot more user friendly than xp May 14 10:20:33 jacekowski: yes, Linux is broken because of the drivers and more but Windows, man, i dunno. And web development? I *really* dunno. May 14 10:20:44 jacekowski: is it, however, more power user friendly? May 14 10:20:53 it is May 14 10:21:47 anyways May 14 10:21:50 i have stuff to do May 14 10:22:13 me too. it's called sleep. goodnight May 14 10:25:15 jacekowski, so have fun with windows. pay back to gates to get more slaves ;) May 14 10:26:20 bill is at least giving me usable os May 14 10:26:28 that works ootb May 14 10:28:01 * RST38h throws up at the mention of win7 being "friendly" May 14 11:01:56 hey what's the section called for the Network stuff in app manager? May 14 11:02:06 section: user/network May 14 11:14:49 H*, my 3g/2g doesn't show me status of my selection anymore (no highlight), even though clicking the buttons has the desired effect. Any ideas? May 14 11:15:13 http://baach.de/static/3g2g.png May 14 11:24:49 * MohammadAG wonders how to make a busy indicator in Qt May 14 12:25:41 hey guys! i am looking at the reflashing page on the maemo wiki May 14 12:25:51 and it says something about 'hacker edition' firmware. wahts that? May 14 12:29:24 trist4n, it's for Nokia 770 May 14 12:31:14 oh i see. what does it do? May 14 12:32:16 probably more features than the standard firmware provided for that tablet May 14 13:08:25 hello May 14 13:08:30 any developers around? May 14 13:08:35 MohammadAG, ping? May 14 13:08:50 pong May 14 13:09:42 MohammadAG, could you help me with a thing? Seems I'I'm not sure whic May 14 13:09:47 erm May 14 13:09:53 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/tweedsuit_0.6.1-3/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt May 14 13:10:05 seems I'm missing some builde deps. mce apparently. May 14 13:10:17 add mce-dev to Build Depends in the control file May 14 13:10:22 thanks May 14 13:10:49 yw :) May 14 13:11:45 another problem is that it can't find the qrc file. It's in the same directory as the .pro file, so what's up with that? May 14 13:12:36 check the path's correct in the .pro file May 14 13:12:48 RESOURCES += resourcefile.qrc I think May 14 13:15:31 Who wants to take odds on a hardware announcement from Nokia in SF? May 14 13:15:43 no it's correct. It's this problem: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/merge_requests/1881 May 14 13:17:03 GAN900, probably a 300-device giveaway as in Amsterdam May 14 13:17:31 MohammadAG, yes, and you wont be there. :P May 14 13:18:21 * MohammadAG grumbles May 14 13:18:33 ffs! May 14 13:18:37 GAN900, you can always pick up another device for me can't you? :P May 14 13:18:49 ok so I have to move the source tree within the source tree to make this fucking thing work! Dammit! May 14 13:19:18 patience is a virtue mece May 14 13:19:27 meh May 14 13:19:48 After 10 attempts to install the MeeGo SDK, I found out it simply puts Invalid instead of Ubuntu if it can't know the version May 14 13:20:01 heh May 14 13:22:10 also, dl speed is bad May 14 13:22:11 51% [1 arm-2009q1 22.7 MB/44.3 MB 51%] 30.0 kB/s 12min 2s May 14 13:22:24 I hope the repos/servers get better when MeeGo's functional May 14 13:23:05 whoa.. that was an easy move at least :) I'm actually starting to like using qmake :) May 14 13:23:17 compiles lokally at least :) May 14 13:23:23 let's see what it does. May 14 13:23:24 ls May 14 13:23:26 oops May 14 13:29:22 oops seem to have forgotten a whole bunch of stuff. May 14 13:29:28 MohammadAG, that's the one where I shave the beard and go back for seconds? :P May 14 13:29:35 dammit how am I supposed to know what packages contain t his stuff? May 14 13:34:14 GAN900, nah, just take a second one and put it in the package then ship it straight from SF :P May 14 13:35:19 I really hope I can get my filthy mittens on one of those devices.. May 14 13:35:45 ok.. autobuilding take 5 May 14 13:37:48 come on schwartz, come on schwartz! May 14 13:38:24 failed. But almost there! May 14 13:38:37 lmfao May 14 13:38:57 stupid mistake that time. May 14 13:38:57 why did you specify the dbg package when none is being built May 14 13:39:07 I don't remember May 14 13:39:17 I've rewritten that file 20 times or so. May 14 13:39:34 anywya May 14 13:39:41 I'll just comment that line May 14 13:40:08 NO May 14 13:40:15 keep dh_strip May 14 13:40:25 eh.. ok May 14 13:40:26 GAN900: don't forget the chelaba and hidschab May 14 13:40:31 remove the parameter May 14 13:41:46 GAN900: find some awful sunglasses and sb to step on your toes, then you can impersonate me and get me one as well ;-D May 14 13:42:11 MohammadAG, heh I was 1 second from moving to autobuilder :) May 14 13:43:41 comeon autobuilder gaddammit! I can hear the kids destroying stuff in the other room! May 14 13:43:51 woo! May 14 13:44:00 Success! the child does not want to swear! May 14 13:45:23 curious. the douchy builder says warning: dependency on libQtNetwork.so.4 could be avoided if "debian/tweedsuit/opt/tweedsuit/tweedsuit" were not uselessly linked against it (they use none of its symbols). , yet I'm pretty sure it's actually used. wtf? May 14 13:46:47 ignore that May 14 13:46:52 I am ignoring it. May 14 13:46:56 it also shows it for sociality May 14 13:47:04 doesn't happen locally though May 14 13:47:08 nope May 14 13:47:27 I guess autobuilder is just a bit of a douche that way :) May 14 13:53:52 anyway, thanks for the help MohammadAG :) May 14 13:54:10 you're welcome mece :) May 14 13:58:17 yay it seems to work :) May 14 15:11:14 Watch, Nokia's going to have some WP7 event in June after the MeeGoConf and give away the N950s there May 14 15:11:31 Along with free Will It Blend blenders. May 14 15:14:26 let me guess, free WP7 phones at the meegoconf? May 14 15:14:48 (Or then google shows up again and hands out free Samsung Nexus S) May 14 15:15:17 Ugh, kill me. May 14 15:18:39 Getting rid of that damn Nexus One was hard enough. May 14 15:18:41 * RST38h kills GAN ritually May 14 15:19:14 I don't know how people happily use Android. May 14 15:19:22 what is wrong with it? May 14 15:23:41 It's not Maemo May 14 15:24:20 For all of Maemo's warts, at its core is something I want to use. May 14 15:24:35 A guy at work has Samsug Galaxy something or other. flash doesn't work. upgrading os doesn't work. Other guy has a htc cheapo. Flash works, but 1GHz snapdragon is way underpowered for flash... May 14 15:24:45 Not only are both Android and Google perniciously evil, but Android just isn't something I want to use. May 14 15:24:49 Not being Maemo isn't a sufficient problem to hate it though May 14 15:24:52 Worse, it's covered in warts. May 14 15:25:17 ShadowJK: Just about any CPU is underpowered for flash =) May 14 15:25:28 true May 14 15:25:51 Seemed underpowered compared to flash on n900 is what I meant May 14 15:26:06 It's depressing. May 14 15:26:51 May 14 15:27:28 You should look at the bright side and start learning C#! writing C# apps for WP7 is really easy and you can sell them in the app store and make $$$! May 14 15:28:00 It just works! May 14 15:28:00 :P May 14 15:28:01 The only reason I want to code is to glue together missing bits May 14 15:28:01 And the phones are cool, they have got good specs, and integrate well with your Windows apps! May 14 15:28:06 May 14 15:28:27 I have a deep moral and philosophical disagreement with Google. May 14 15:28:33 Like gluing openvpn and openssh on so I can access my damn email May 14 15:29:20 GAN: Given that Google is a corporation which (not being sentient or even human) cannot have morals or philosophy, I think you should reconsider =) May 14 15:31:37 All the things I'd want to code are things that you couldn't do in wp7, and probably would never qualify as a MeeGo compliant app either May 14 15:36:08 ShadowJK: I am sure WP7 does all thesethings by default, there is noneed to code them! May 14 15:36:19 lol May 14 15:36:53 When is putty for WP7 coming May 14 15:36:59 and vnc May 14 15:37:15 that's the bare minimum :-) May 14 15:37:41 There is going to be RDP =) May 14 15:38:05 and what would you need putty for? typing commands into your windows7 desktop? =) May 14 15:38:34 for getting anything useful done May 14 15:40:50 Recently I did this, http://wiki.maemo.org/Disable_the_ambient_light_sensor . But apparently it also disabled blacking the screen when actually _calling_ with the phone. So my ear had pressed random buttons and actually send a mail. May 14 15:42:37 haha May 14 15:42:46 Explains why the mail was empty May 14 15:42:48 yeah, that's inevitable May 14 15:43:04 For a moment I thought the phone had been rooted, lol May 14 15:43:06 nah wait May 14 15:43:10 the ALS???? May 14 15:43:21 hm-hm, it no longer blacks the screen when calling May 14 15:43:35 what got ALS to do with blanking the screen during a call? May 14 15:43:43 I don't know, it just didn't. May 14 15:44:31 also I wonder why anybody would want to disanle ALS at all May 14 15:44:36 It's the only thing I've changed in a long time May 14 15:44:38 disable* May 14 15:44:46 Well, I disliked the way it changed the backlight May 14 15:44:55 fair enough May 14 15:48:33 RST38h, you know what I mean. May 14 15:49:27 http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/spraav2/spraav2.pdf - TI assembly guidelines for POP May 14 15:49:37 Somewhat randomly May 14 16:38:30 an other python dbus question :) -> bus=dbus.SessionBus(); x=dbus.Interface(getobject blabla); x.set_property('volume', 30); then i get an dbus timeout message, but the volume is set. what i need to change that no reply is expected? May 14 17:28:03 Samsung has unveiled a brand new 10.1-inch display that supports a maximum of 2560?1600 pixel resolution that could be ripe for next generation tablets. May 14 17:32:18 sounds nice May 14 17:33:08 Weee May 14 17:36:39 o rly? May 14 17:43:58 Is it true pixels or that "subpixels" fraud when 2 counts as 3? May 14 17:44:01 Pixel doubling for games will actually work there. May 14 17:44:13 Probably true pixels May 14 17:45:02 Pixel doubling as in "doubling" or as in "2xSAI"? May 14 17:51:03 As in playing at 1280x800 May 14 17:54:20 Ah, that... Good luck finding games that will do that. May 14 17:55:47 RST38h, cpu/gpu will need to improve drastically! May 14 17:56:42 lcuk: memory bandwidth will need to improve May 14 17:58:34 RST38h, many things will May 14 17:58:39 especially for modern titles May 14 17:58:44 hello. I seem to be locked out of my n900. I turned it off for a while and turned it back on and it asks for the lock code. 12345 doesn't work. I have found a solution at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808&highlight=lock+code but I can't figure out how to get into the device and run it. please provide assistance if you can. thanks. May 14 17:58:50 but I note, that will look awesome with line drawing May 14 17:59:11 no need for AA, super fast perfectly clear May 14 17:59:32 RST38h, where is the news article about it? May 14 17:59:44 lcuk: CPU/GPU may actually be ok, as strange as it sounds May 14 17:59:49 well May 14 18:00:02 I changed the N900 keypad with one of those chinese keypads you find in the web May 14 18:00:04 I understand I need to run echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): , but I don't know how to get to the device and run it :) May 14 18:00:07 they are terrible but at least they are complete. May 14 18:00:11 lcuk: As the physical screen size is the same 10", you won't be able to put morevisual elementsanyway May 14 18:00:33 Sc0rpius: BTW, found a way to fix Camel? May 14 18:00:51 it's hard if it never crashes on me May 14 18:00:57 oh May 14 18:01:18 RST38h, but the visual elements you have can be rendered clearer May 14 18:01:21 ie fonts lines etc May 14 18:01:35 Didn't crash on me for the last few days too, probably got afraid of retaliation =) May 14 18:02:01 heh May 14 18:02:02 VladNistor: have you a ssh deamon running? May 14 18:02:09 lcuk: Correct. But this doesnot require much CPU or GPU power, just memory bandwidth as more data is being transferred May 14 18:03:26 Papayawhip, nope, it asks for the lock code when I turn the device on for some reason May 14 18:03:38 VladNistor: step 1 is reflashing the device. May 14 18:04:14 VladNistor: when you have a ssh deamon installed then you can conntect through ssh to your device May 14 18:04:26 and then send a dbus call to unlock it May 14 18:04:39 nid0, yeah, I was hoping to escape that May 14 18:04:42 or reflash :) May 14 18:05:08 Papayawhip, it's not connected to a network, so even if ssh is running i couldn't connect to it May 14 18:05:36 i've tried usb networking via rescue initrd, but busybox won May 14 18:05:38 afaik reflash does not clear lockcode May 14 18:05:46 no it doesnt May 14 18:05:53 but it clears the requirement to enter it May 14 18:05:53 won't let me enter $ and : May 14 18:06:04 and the info VladNistor has found is the way to recover the current code May 14 18:06:17 but won't the phone still ask for the lock code after i reflash? May 14 18:06:20 no May 14 18:06:29 the current code will still be in place, but it wont be enabled May 14 18:06:53 alright, reflash it is then i guess :( thanks nid0, Papayawhip May 14 18:07:31 nid0, hm so user data will remain? May 14 18:07:43 but wait, isn't is possible to overwrite a single file with the flasher binary? May 14 18:08:20 reflash will kill the contactlist and more... May 14 18:09:20 i do regular backups of my contacts, so that's not a problem, but reinstalling everything is indeed a pain in the but May 14 18:09:51 don't you backup the software list? May 14 18:10:24 what's weird is the phone asking for the code out of the blue :( I may have a list but it's outdated, i don't do that backup that often :) May 14 18:10:31 it's included in regular backups, if you dont uncheck it May 14 18:11:10 haven't done one of those in a while unfortunately, i do export my contacts every once in a while :P May 14 18:11:28 VladNistor: backups backups backups! May 14 18:12:03 i know, i know :) but i never expected for it to ask for a lock code ;))) May 14 18:12:30 VladNistor: reinstalling via commandline isn't a pain :) May 14 18:12:55 yeah, aptitude does a good job, but I need to have the list May 14 18:14:27 so i only need to flash the rootfs, correct? May 14 18:15:09 jep May 14 18:15:52 thanks May 14 18:16:05 and thanks for the backup reminder :D May 14 18:19:42 my pleasure! May 14 18:45:10 Hi, anyone here knows what's happened to eCoach development? Website and SVN seems dead for more than one year now. May 14 18:54:31 ~seen timeless_xchat May 14 19:47:00 SpeedEvil: which brings me to my other weekend project, getting that MeeGo n900 MMC image working May 14 19:47:12 the silly flasher doesn't run properly or have source I can compile for my arch May 14 19:47:26 Sigh. May 14 19:47:30 heh May 14 20:48:29 where can I get the original busybox binary that came with the n900? May 14 23:19:21 any of you fine chaps know what packages I would need to install on my laptop to use mobile hotspot properly? I can pull an IP but I can't seem to get a route autoconfigured May 14 23:58:13 anybody using 0xffff instead of "silly flasher"? May 14 23:58:36 anybody still maintaining and developing it? May 15 00:10:01 nly one I ever heard actually using it lately been paul fertser May 15 00:14:46 * DocScrutinizer wonders where are the RE cracks of former times, when you could get a commented assembler listing (as a paperback) of Amiga kickstart WB. We'd love to see similar thing for NOLO May 15 00:38:49 DocScrutinizer, I use it all the time May 15 00:38:53 (0xffff) May 15 00:39:40 in fact I just used it to flash uboot for booting meego for finding the formats of the camera May 15 00:39:47 I think I got the pads right May 15 00:39:50 but not the format May 15 00:40:03 I've tried tried tried several days(not consecutive) May 15 00:40:28 and I still don't get the camera running with 2.6.37 that had media controller May 15 00:41:16 now I'm downloading newer meego since their camera app segfaulted May 15 00:43:41 DocScrutinizer, about nolo why not porting barebox to the n900 May 15 00:43:52 it's small enough to fit inside the required size May 15 00:44:00 uboot is too big May 15 00:44:04 bug barebox could fit May 15 00:56:09 Hi, I just got a nokia n800, and I'm looking to put a few pentesting tools on there, but I'm having trouble updating the operating system to OS2008 HE. I was wondering if anyone had a valid WLAN code to plugin, as mine doesn't want to work. May 15 00:57:52 what's that?(the valid wlan code to plugin) May 15 00:59:37 GNUtoo|laptop: I'm more interested in the way NOLO does secret crap like flashing cmt for example May 15 00:59:48 ok May 15 01:00:57 GNUtoo, at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php , it asks for a 12 digit wlan code. Mine doesn't want to work with it. May 15 01:01:58 ah ok, I've no n800 so I cannot help May 15 01:23:54 friggin check doesn't even accept WLAN MAC of N810 :-/ May 15 01:25:22 GAN900: you got a N800? May 15 01:33:47 hiya May 15 01:34:12 trying to run maemo sdk in vmware player May 15 01:34:16 w/e the most recent is May 15 01:34:24 in windows 7 x86 May 15 01:34:34 but the question is May 15 01:35:00 open vmware tools May 15 01:35:13 the script doesn't work May 15 01:35:30 is there something im missing May 15 01:35:35 looked in the documentation May 15 01:36:01 bridged May 15 01:37:04 yeah cause network isn't working May 15 01:43:07 ./install_open_vm_tools.sh: line 97: dialog: command not found May 15 01:51:17 nat works.. May 15 01:53:57 apparently it's missing the dialog program May 15 01:54:18 if it's debian/ubuntu, apt-get install dialog May 15 01:54:53 will give it a shot May 15 01:55:04 still gotta get a network going May 15 01:55:18 I gotta sleep, good night, or morning ;) May 15 01:55:23 not really sure whats up with bridged connection May 15 01:55:27 gnight man May 15 02:22:54 Can't open input file in dialog_tailbox(). May 15 02:22:56 :x May 15 02:24:51 does anyone here know where I can look if a book is in the public domain, or has some less restrtive copyright on it? That is it is legal to download the work for personal use? May 15 02:28:14 How old is the book/ May 15 02:28:45 In general, if it's earlier than ~1920 or so - maybe. May 15 02:28:59 Copyright extension is stupid. May 15 02:29:06 Where are you yig? May 15 02:36:13 SpeedEvil: US, I found out the answer for the book I was interested in the authors have expressly allowed download of the PDF version for personal use, for now that's enough May 15 02:36:30 :) May 15 02:38:07 http://www.math.jussieu.fr/~jabondy/ May 15 02:38:09 good morning May 15 02:38:30 evening, jk, well not really but good *, where ever your time zone May 15 02:48:21 DocScrutinizer: yes. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 15 02:59:58 2011