**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 16 02:59:57 2011 May 16 03:00:14 Sorry - no idea how to set it up 'normally' - I used pppd and /etc/pppd/peers/* May 16 03:00:34 seems this might work http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?p=560159#p560159 May 16 03:00:42 well I can try pppd May 16 04:17:02 well... maemo4 ftw May 16 04:17:13 back in the days where it was done right May 16 04:17:23 :) May 16 04:57:26 lo May 16 05:58:39 lo May 16 05:59:45 Macer: (maemo4 ftw) for tethering modem to mandrax linux? May 16 06:21:17 hey guys what's the cli command to turn to "phone mode" and to "tablet mode?" May 16 06:22:49 is there one? May 16 06:29:18 Dantonic: the app which does this switch issues serveral dbus commands iirc, figure out with the source May 16 06:30:21 (or dbus monitor) May 16 06:45:01 cehteh how do I monitor dbus? do I have to install an app? May 16 06:46:22 Dantonic, with dbus-monitor, iirc included in stock image May 16 06:48:34 inz not sure do I just call dbus-monitor in terminal and then select tablet mode? May 16 06:50:06 Dantonic, something like dbus-monitor --system type=method_call might do the trick May 16 06:50:27 Dantonic, google gives you man page for more options May 16 06:55:13 inz I entered that command and it shows changes when I change from tablet to phone or viceversa... I'm just not sure that those are commands May 16 06:55:32 I'm not too savvy with linux May 16 07:16:45 DocScrutinizer: hahah May 16 07:16:56 damn. i just found it and it took a dive May 16 07:17:21 i had it in my jacket pocket and it slid out.. slid down something... and smacked right into the ground May 16 07:17:36 the rails are a little messed up now :-( May 16 07:17:58 and it got a little scratched.. not the screen but the casing a bit May 16 07:18:05 are you talking about N8x0? May 16 07:18:12 yeah May 16 07:18:29 had it been my htc and not a nokia it would have shattered into pieces May 16 07:19:00 i hate nokia a lot nowadays.. but they do make sturdy stuff May 16 07:20:45 * DocScrutinizer throws a few Freerunner pucks at Macer May 16 07:21:43 used to drop them 180cm to concrete, just for fun May 16 07:22:46 i like my n810 tho May 16 07:22:53 even if it runs maemo4 May 16 07:22:56 :) May 16 07:23:05 (I probably wouldn't have done this if I hadn't built them and had to pay for each device) May 16 07:23:17 it is the only device that doesnt run symbian that works properly with my su8w May 16 07:23:40 i might just go ahead and get a new bt keyboard May 16 07:23:57 something that works properly with my g2 May 16 07:24:11 since the n900 doesnt seem to like my su8w May 16 07:24:15 I actually wonder how hard it can be to get fremantle on N8x0 May 16 07:24:32 * DocScrutinizer sips his second coffee May 16 07:24:41 probably impossible and not worth it May 16 07:25:17 im debating getting the meego phone when it comes out.. or if really May 16 07:25:20 ~su8w May 16 07:25:31 heh May 16 07:25:48 i got the su8w for my n95 back in the symbian days May 16 07:26:01 when symbian wasnt a bad os to have on a phone May 16 07:26:06 ~wiki su8w May 16 07:26:09 I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=su8w&go=Go May 16 07:26:35 ~wiki su-8w May 16 07:26:37 I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=su-8w&go=Go May 16 07:26:42 wow May 16 07:26:54 ~wiki nokia su-8w May 16 07:26:57 I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=nokia+su-8w&go=Go May 16 07:27:00 wtf May 16 07:27:02 meh May 16 07:27:06 ah well May 16 07:27:38 nfc May 16 07:30:21 hey any of u familiar with dbus send commands? May 16 07:30:54 trying to figure out how to send a command to turn off cellular radio May 16 07:34:20 phonecontrol wiki May 16 07:35:20 Dantonic: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control May 16 07:38:04 Dantonic: didnt dbus-monitor yield anything useable? May 16 07:40:55 cehteh it yields information of what's going on, just trying to figure out how to turn it into a command May 16 07:41:43 hm. looks like i found an actual android bt kb May 16 07:42:12 like this May 16 07:42:13 Dantonic: dbus-send May 16 07:42:15 signal sender=:1.19 -> dest=(null destination) serial=6787 path=/com/nokia/phone/net; interface=Phone.Net; member=cellular_system_state_change May 16 07:42:20 byte 0 May 16 07:42:20 wow. if i find a damn cups app and an office suite that does od then im in business May 16 07:42:42 so I need to change that setting to byte 0 for it to be turned off May 16 07:42:49 byte 1 is 2G May 16 07:42:55 byte 2 is 3g May 16 07:43:09 but idk how to turn that into a command May 16 07:43:24 * cehteh doesnt know the details, only the tools, i would have to figure out whats exactly going on too May 16 07:43:58 Dantonic: another way would be to get the source of the tablet/phone switching app and make a commandline tool out of it May 16 07:44:12 a bit C hacking i assume :) (i dont even know if its implemented in C) May 16 07:45:35 ya I'll probe around some more maybe I can find that code May 16 07:45:41 thanks for your help May 16 07:50:21 Dantonic: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=cell-modem-ui;a=blob;f=etc/systemui/cell-modem-ui.xml;h=bb4e9274d6c72355437b4fb18c26fa1d666d0b21;hb=26698f2fb1eb27989ce4a0cf53a7119fd780b771 May 16 07:50:42 not an app at all, just a config option for systemui May 16 07:50:59 but this can be easily turned into a dbus-send script May 16 07:52:56 Dantonic: you seen the link I gave you?? May 16 07:54:28 * DocScrutinizer wonders if he +q himself :-/ May 16 07:55:40 really, no more spoon feeding available here May 16 07:56:27 even the URL was exactly to the point May 16 07:56:52 cya May 16 08:26:00 thanks I saved those links, I'll check them out in the morning May 16 08:26:06 ty very much May 16 08:35:09 * RST38h moos for the moorning May 16 08:39:18 * DocScrutinizer remoos May 16 08:40:24 cehteh: why do you suggest some xml code when somebody is asking a simple dbus-send cmd question? Something missing that I missed to notice, on phone_control? May 16 08:44:43 hello ;) on n900 maemo. how do you do contacts like doctor? just first name "doctor and on lasname the lastname? May 16 08:45:26 btw what dantonic pasted here was a dbus-SIGNAL, which usually isn't worth anything for giving commands. Signals are 1 to many broadcasts without response, easy to tell by "signal" and "dest=(null destination) May 16 08:47:34 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Enable_cellular_radio: >>dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.SSC /com/nokia/phone/SSC com.nokia.phone.SSC.set_radio boolean:true<< May 16 08:48:43 soory folks, grumpy mood today May 16 08:50:11 eichi: good question. I'm still without any decent standard for that May 16 08:51:33 re May 16 08:52:06 eichi: luckily (at least pr1.3) contacts search does instring matches just fine, at least for first- and last-name May 16 08:53:57 eichi: what are you trying to achieve? May 16 08:54:03 so Dentist Smith, Dr. is found by searchstr "dr" May 16 08:54:10 Dr. Samuel Jackson May 16 08:54:38 can be found like Dr S too i think May 16 08:54:40 dunno if is searched as well May 16 08:55:29 I sort by surname and put anything sorting by in front of it May 16 08:55:38 alas number at least is NOT searchable (a PITA sometimes) May 16 08:57:02 in your case doctor who May 16 08:57:40 so you get in portrait mode all doctor sorted in "D" May 16 08:58:00 as there are no sub-addrbooks, I even got entries like ttt query account *103#, where ttt stands for "technical&admin" May 16 08:59:05 I'll find it nicely listed among other ttt, when looking at "t" in sort order, but also can search for "balance" May 16 08:59:18 company abreviations I use like DocScrutinizer uses his "ttt" May 16 08:59:20 DocScrutinizer okay thanks. but fact is, dr. or dr. dent. should be in the NAME ;) May 16 08:59:24 s/balance/account/ May 16 08:59:24 DocScrutinizer meant: I'll find it nicely listed among other ttt, when looking at "t" in sort order, but also can search for "account" May 16 09:00:09 DocScrutinizer: just put balance as firstname so you find both^^ as you get irritated by writing it here already! May 16 09:00:57 well, there's fieldname "profession" and "company", but no "title" May 16 09:01:36 mmh lmc if it searches for it May 16 09:01:42 chem|st: actually it's been a beautified makeup May 16 09:02:06 hehe May 16 09:02:19 nope it only searches for names May 16 09:02:40 actually it's firstname Konto, lastname ttt May 16 09:03:11 and the missing search in "comment" field is a real major flaw and PITA May 16 09:04:19 the whole contact app is so plain vanilla without any advanced functions, it could only get better when opening up the source May 16 09:04:33 +1 May 16 09:05:52 hm, and adress should be work with maemo mappers ;) i dont like the avi maps thing May 16 09:05:53 at least some functionality is available May 16 09:06:17 eichi: you can script that your own May 16 09:06:41 okay. is this python somewhere= May 16 09:06:43 ? May 16 09:06:53 yeah, like a nasty hack to get ringtone per contact into it, but only via app menu and not as a proper field in the contact May 16 09:07:10 idk but the location api does support all kind of extraction and conversion May 16 09:07:15 do you all use avi maps or maemo mappers? May 16 09:07:34 s/avi/OVI/ ? May 16 09:07:42 ops, yes ;) May 16 09:07:44 mappero - columbus May 16 09:07:58 mappero, marble May 16 09:08:02 onshore - offshore May 16 09:08:16 and yes, I'm missing the integration into contacts May 16 09:08:36 some setup defaults file would be nice May 16 09:09:16 like default browser default mplayer default maps-app etc May 16 09:10:20 oh, i should try marble too. only use it on desktop at the moment May 16 09:10:29 * DocScrutinizer wonders if there isn't such a thing already May 16 09:10:43 i just thought, marble would be very slow on n900 May 16 09:10:51 DocScrutinizer: I don't know about changing the dbus calls May 16 09:10:56 nach, it's quite nice May 16 09:11:11 k, i will give it a try May 16 09:11:18 might be related to mimetypes May 16 09:11:46 street address is a mimetype? May 16 09:11:54 no May 16 09:11:59 prolly not May 16 09:12:03 ;) May 16 09:12:24 its the dbuscall behind that button May 16 09:12:26 geo-coords might be though May 16 09:13:06 and afaik geo-coords is what contacts stores to a contact, to refer to map May 16 09:13:10 the location api is bound to ovi-maps afair May 16 09:13:54 chem|st: well, there are dbus policies ;-) May 16 09:13:57 no the address is stored in plain text and gets geo-coords via a dbus call May 16 09:14:27 forbid contacts to talk to location, and use dbus-scripting to fire up whatever you want instead May 16 09:15:45 chem|st: (stored plain text) right May 16 09:15:48 both ways should be made available in some tools, a workaround would be a "mapstarter" as the contacts ar readable May 16 09:16:44 so you read from contacts and whatever the map-tool you like reads gets converted by a dbus call May 16 09:17:09 the location api converts in both ways May 16 09:17:34 from coords to streetaddress and the other way round May 16 09:18:08 afair "show" starts the ovi-map May 16 09:19:26 "show"? May 16 09:20:36 * DocScrutinizer wonders where he seen the 'geo address' added as tuple of coords to the contact. Must've been winmoob6 May 16 09:20:49 ShowPlaceGeo on interface com.nokia.Navigation.MapProvider May 16 09:20:50 aka route66 May 16 09:20:58 yeah May 16 09:21:19 if you know how to change MapProvider May 16 09:21:21 navigation. is evidently OVI maps app May 16 09:21:46 you can try via .desktop edit May 16 09:22:06 not *exactly* mimetype, but close May 16 09:22:41 well we want to change the behaviour of the contacts address button right? May 16 09:25:01 meh May 16 09:25:17 less nokia-maps.desktop May 16 09:26:07 chem|st: thought we want to change the semantics/behaviour of a certain dbus message May 16 09:26:50 does it call from anywhere else than contacts? May 16 09:32:01 possibly May 16 09:32:06 chem|st: gconftool-2 -R /|grep -A10 '/apps/osso/navigation' May 16 09:33:48 chem|st: gconftool-2 -R /|grep -A4 '/apps/osso/navigation' May 16 09:36:21 thats the converters May 16 09:36:54 if we get another "service" it might work May 16 09:37:32 so replacing the location service with one more "configurable" May 16 09:37:53 well, messing up one gconf key and checking if opening ovimaps from contacts still works, that's simple enough May 16 09:38:02 hehe May 16 09:38:46 not for me ATM though, rather exhausted May 16 09:38:55 still? May 16 09:39:00 are you ill? May 16 09:39:08 kinda May 16 09:39:48 don't feel like messing with maemo system settings right now May 16 09:40:32 looking backwards in the irc history... it is again us two... May 16 09:40:50 :-) May 16 09:45:50 SpeedEvil: did you try this? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60947&page=3 May 16 09:59:08 afternoon May 16 09:59:41 how i can fix broken inode table when that goodamn crappy /home is mounted and no way to umount it? May 16 10:00:12 use a rescue kernel May 16 10:00:18 iirc meego has something like that May 16 10:01:03 ... May 16 10:01:12 Backupmenu'd do it, IIRC May 16 10:01:25 robbiethe1st your backupmenu fails May 16 10:01:42 So connect it to a PC, login via terminal, and run the command yourself? May 16 10:01:52 it says (translated) sorry i can't fix it. error code: 4 May 16 10:02:43 That'll be because FSCK won't fix it without user input, because it could destroy your data instead of fixing it May 16 10:02:51 sec, i copy&paste the full error code May 16 10:02:58 usb networking also doesn't works May 16 10:03:03 Uh, what? May 16 10:03:07 why not? May 16 10:03:30 if i would have any idea, i would know... but shortly: does it works under windows? May 16 10:03:36 Have you configured your host PC properly? May 16 10:03:46 Uh, it should... but it'd need some configuration. May 16 10:03:52 aaah damn headache... May 16 10:04:06 there's no network device for it so nothing to configure. May 16 10:04:38 I'd just boot your PC into a Linux LiveCD, then follow the Linux instructions May 16 10:04:38 (under windows) May 16 10:04:53 linux fails to load May 16 10:04:59 it crashes right after login May 16 10:05:08 Uh... Ubuntu LiveCD? May 16 10:05:13 yup May 16 10:05:19 Whjat version? May 16 10:05:28 uhm... 9.x :D May 16 10:05:43 Grab 10.10 May 16 10:06:24 Either that, or go in and edit Backupmenu to do what you want: Just edit /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenu.item (it's a shell script) May 16 10:06:36 search for fsck and add the options you want May 16 10:07:42 btw... fsck fails on directory structure May 16 10:08:08 Well, erm... I'm not sure what I can say May 16 10:08:09 when i tried to fix it when optFS was mounted, i killed everything (-> backupmenu -> restore -> happy) May 16 10:09:11 but it happened again -.- May 16 10:09:13 try the following: go into backupmenu, and use the Extra functions -> Wipe optfs May 16 10:09:22 then run fsck, then restore May 16 10:09:26 Might work May 16 10:09:42 i will see... May 16 10:09:47 Alternately, go in and find the fsck line, and add "-y" to it. May 16 10:10:04 #525 IIRC May 16 10:10:10 (line #) May 16 10:10:57 xD May 16 10:11:05 i'm so dumb that i just don't roll May 16 10:11:32 looking for the file while phone in backupmenu mode May 16 10:11:52 *sigh* Next version, yea, I'll add a format optfs section... May 16 10:12:19 that's not in extras already? (extras menu) May 16 10:12:49 I can't get it into Extras until all dependancies are there I think... May 16 10:12:59 and I have no clue how to actually /promote/ it either May 16 10:13:06 in extras menu under backupmenu May 16 10:13:12 Oh May 16 10:13:15 erm May 16 10:13:35 format? no. It just wipes it(rm /opt -rf basically) May 16 10:14:01 fdisk may be loaded now, but unless you've got a serial console... no way to run it May 16 10:16:34 fsck -p -v $backup_optFS_part_loc 2> /tmp/fsckstatus May 16 10:16:39 this is that line right? May 16 10:53:46 haj: yes - that did not fix. May 16 11:00:28 SpeedEvil: mine has just now started just saying that all communication is disabled when I boot it.... going to try another SIM later today, if that doesn't help it'll go to service... just annoying... :/ May 16 11:01:34 It diddn't ever do communication disabled for me. May 16 11:09:13 "communication disabled" sounds like post-boot flashing to me May 16 11:09:57 haj: do you by any chance use the USA version of fiasco image? May 16 11:10:16 when flashing the device May 16 11:10:49 I just read the n900 spec on the German Nokia page: it says 280h standby time for GSM, 250h UMTS (3G). Does anybody get close to that? May 16 11:11:02 sure May 16 11:11:17 how do you get that? May 16 11:11:25 What do you disable, switch-off? May 16 11:11:46 I get 4 days idle time May 16 11:12:06 with auto disconnect, and switch to 2g when not in use May 16 11:12:07 leaving device alone, on a place with good 2G signal, locked to 2G, no app or crap running, no APN configured, no data May 16 11:12:41 rd: it's like with car fuel consumption figures May 16 11:12:52 no autoconnectiong to any wlan or GPRS! May 16 11:12:57 but 10 days... I don't think so... May 16 11:13:14 how do you switch to 2g? May 16 11:13:33 you can select it someplace under settings iirc May 16 11:13:34 err, got some applet for that May 16 11:13:35 I think I can only choose between UMTS and GSM. May 16 11:13:42 gsm == 2g May 16 11:13:53 but there is an app that will keep it 2g until you initiate a data connectiong May 16 11:14:00 isn't gsm==2g or 2.5g ? May 16 11:14:01 then switch to 3.5/3g May 16 11:14:05 edge is 2.5 May 16 11:14:32 2.5 is data, you won't see it as long as not connected to an APN May 16 11:14:33 2g is less secure, though May 16 11:15:14 if you consider any phone network secure then you have other problems May 16 11:15:23 ah....ok. May 16 11:15:25 ruskie: +1 May 16 11:15:37 oh yeah, almost as insecure as your DSL wires running to the exchange, way safer than WEP though May 16 11:16:17 Look at a GSM hacking defcon video :-P May 16 11:16:33 I almost *did* that video ;-P May 16 11:16:56 How much difference is between auto-disconnect and no APN configured? May 16 11:17:06 a lot May 16 11:17:46 Is there an Applet which allows you to quickly deconfigure and re-configure an APN? May 16 11:18:24 fAPN, but it doesn't do with the ones provided by your telco May 16 11:18:31 With APN configured, GSM connected, in a not very good posiiton on the floor, I get 5 days or so. May 16 11:18:32 s/do/deal/ May 16 11:18:32 psycho_oreos meant: fAPN, but it dealesn't do with the ones provided by your telco May 16 11:18:55 s/doesn't do/doesn't deal/ May 16 11:18:56 psycho_oreos meant: fAPN, but it doesn't deal with the ones provided by your telco May 16 11:19:23 Anyone have experience with charges for nokia repairs if they fail to find anything wrong? May 16 11:19:27 warranty. May 16 11:19:50 SpeedEvil, what have you done to get such a long standby time? May 16 11:20:06 rd: nothing May 16 11:20:24 DocScrutinizer: ok :). How does having no apn configured makes difference against disconnected data? May 16 11:20:34 Don't install stuff that is active. May 16 11:20:34 (just asking) May 16 11:21:35 do you use auto-disconnect? May 16 11:26:22 I install auto-disconnect and disable jabber....let me check where that brings me to. May 16 11:26:46 jabber or any active IM will kill battery. May 16 11:26:47 What is the minimum-traffic volume for a GPRS/connection?? May 16 11:28:38 Hmm....can I configure the interval in which emails are checked in an imap account? May 16 11:30:39 yup May 16 11:31:27 How? Inside modest, I did not find anything. May 16 11:32:15 I found it, thanks. May 16 11:32:34 Needed to wait until if completed email check. May 16 11:45:21 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/16/nokia_kills_ovi_brand/ <-- hmm May 16 11:45:42 Well - they've been trying to do that for ages. May 16 11:46:43 well, i hadnt heard of ovi until someone mentioned it here May 16 11:47:12 they are actually rebranding it to nokia ;) May 16 11:48:17 damn May 16 11:48:30 i'm still a little sad inside my damn n810 took a damn dive May 16 11:48:41 at least it isn't too damaged.. i wonder if i can find some new tracks for it May 16 11:48:47 my n810 hung and had to be rebooted :( May 16 11:48:54 it barely had a year of uptime May 16 11:48:58 do they even have casings for it? May 16 11:49:10 if i wanted to replace the exterior of it since it got scratched May 16 11:49:35 probably could find some third party stuff May 16 11:49:56 i just got my su8w hooked up to it :) May 16 11:51:22 damn May 16 11:51:42 to replace the parts is just as expensive as just buying a new one May 16 11:51:53 isn't worth it just because it doesn't slide smoothly anymore heh May 16 11:53:00 nobody hasthe aliding assembly ins tock May 16 11:58:57 :/ May 16 12:05:45 SpeedEvil: no big deal.. i am ebaying a new used one for $50 May 16 12:05:47 heh May 16 12:06:05 no point in hunting down a slider assembly or parts that would make it a waste May 16 12:07:00 places charge $30 for just the slider assembly.. the front and back got scratched pretty bad too and the kickstand is out of place.. so buying new parts for this old ass thing would be p ointless May 16 12:07:41 the one thing that made me love the n810 was that my nokia bt keyboard worked with it out the box.. wtf happened with that option in maemo 5? May 16 12:07:57 then the devs were total pricks when it came to bugs May 16 12:08:24 i hope the whole lot of them got fired when ms took over the os May 16 12:16:06 Macer, then you would have more bugs because it would be more proprietary May 16 12:27:12 GNUtoo|laptop, that's stupid. May 16 12:28:19 I think it's more a company policy issue May 16 12:28:28 if the company(nokia) don't care about bugs May 16 12:28:31 what could user do May 16 12:28:38 if they don't have the source May 16 12:30:13 hi all May 16 12:30:24 cant find this obvius question May 16 12:30:44 does maemo check the rootfs on boot using fsck? May 16 12:30:56 Nokia finally gives Ovi brand a mercy bullet May 16 12:31:11 in case I had a suddun power failere - need I fsck rootfs? May 16 12:31:37 RST38h, seriously? May 16 12:31:46 cityLights, I doubt maemo even uses fsck by default May 16 12:31:49 Yes May 16 12:31:59 what? May 16 12:32:03 People at their Boston research center must be packing now May 16 12:32:06 no more Ovi? May 16 12:32:21 MohammadAG: hi there May 16 12:32:39 hi May 16 12:32:47 what can I do to check the rootfs in case I lost power? May 16 12:32:52 like taking the battary out May 16 12:32:59 RST38h, so it's Nokia App Store now? May 16 12:34:36 you don't need to do anything May 16 12:35:09 thanks mate May 16 12:35:30 did you see the wazes version for N900? May 16 12:37:30 waze May 16 12:37:30 seem a guy in the forum made it available for us May 16 12:37:30 in talk.maemo.org May 16 12:37:30 wish I knew QT like you and could help.... May 16 12:38:49 nope, haven't seen it May 16 12:38:51 Mohammad: It is Nokia Services Application Store :) May 16 12:38:58 And if you want to learn Qt, you can May 16 12:39:04 Mohammad: But I guess it will be Microsoft Live from now on May 16 12:39:45 I need a reason to learn QT May 16 12:39:50 cityLights: The "I wish I knew computer programming so I could help" thing is really lame, avoid it. May 16 12:40:12 Indeed, I used to say that :p May 16 12:40:19 If you can help, do so, otherwise keep quiet =) May 16 12:40:34 I whis I knew how to help so I could help May 16 12:40:39 ;) May 16 12:41:01 but what is waze? May 16 12:41:08 cityLights: plenty of other ways to help, too. May 16 12:41:20 some gps app May 16 12:41:34 If you can help, do so, otherwise keep quiet =) May 16 12:41:39 or learn how to help May 16 12:41:42 cityLights: what can you do, what kinda stuff? May 16 12:41:43 Qt is very easy May 16 12:42:21 Qt taught me C++ and C, in a way May 16 12:42:31 Looks liek Waze is pretty useless outside of some parts of the US where developers live May 16 12:43:12 tbh, all map applications are useless for me May 16 12:43:22 Mohammad: No .IL maps? May 16 12:43:35 I mean, NOT .IL maps at all??? May 16 12:43:39 Israel's maps are only available on iOS's google maps May 16 12:43:39 or maps.google.com May 16 12:43:41 the API doesn't show them May 16 12:43:47 ouch, according to waze I live 3 blocks from my actually house (I did put in the address) May 16 12:44:18 MohammadAG: o israel maps on openstreetmap? May 16 12:44:40 Mohammad: Weird. Why? May 16 12:44:56 no idea, the API returns a white map May 16 12:45:02 I am currently finishing up this: May 16 12:45:03 an applet to quiet the phone when the calender sees I am in a meeting May 16 12:45:04 then when the meeting ends - return the profile to normal May 16 12:45:07 Should I ask some giigkers? May 16 12:45:07 merlin1991, no idea about that, but I doubt it May 16 12:45:11 googlers, sorry May 16 12:45:21 would be helpful to know tbh May 16 12:45:36 only maps.google.com and the official iPhone maps can show them May 16 12:45:46 well May 16 12:45:52 no su-8w layout in extkbd :( May 16 12:45:56 even maps shown through Facebook for iOS return a white map May 16 12:45:59 wtf May 16 12:46:06 I made this run as a service May 16 12:46:06 and added a UI to start/stop it May 16 12:46:06 , but I still need to finish it up May 16 12:46:06 hope to publish this soon May 16 12:46:09 this is like the twilight zone getting these damn keyboards to work May 16 12:46:26 someone should sell a phone with an included bt keyboard :) May 16 12:46:41 Macer: there is May 16 12:47:05 I am so happy maemo is debian based, as start-stop-service is very helpfull May 16 12:47:07 chem|st: do you know how i can make my enter key work on this with the phone closed? May 16 12:47:09 two piece slider phone where you can detach the keyboard May 16 12:47:21 MohammadAG: using mappero with openstreetmap as map backend gives me maps on israel May 16 12:47:29 hitting enter on the keyboard brings up the vkb when the phone is closed May 16 12:47:31 waze = navigation with traffic updates, supplied from other users May 16 12:47:32 it's driving me nuts. May 16 12:47:40 disabling it makes enter do nothing at all May 16 12:47:42 MohammadAG: package name is maemo-mapper May 16 12:47:58 Macer: no idea May 16 12:48:06 but you'll have to edit the settings, I think it uses google maps by default, but that's in the ui so easily done May 16 12:48:11 Mohammad: got the answer May 16 12:48:15 remap the key to KP_Enter May 16 12:48:23 RST38h: where does it keep the layout? May 16 12:48:26 Macer: you are on a 810 right? May 16 12:48:29 no May 16 12:48:29 WHO? May 16 12:48:30 n900 May 16 12:48:37 mmh May 16 12:48:44 cityLights: the app sounds nice. Though it would backfire on me. May 16 12:49:07 Mohammad: The googler says they are restrcted by map data license May 16 12:49:08 WHO? was this the answer? May 16 12:49:10 cityLights: Example: my meeting starts. The other person is not there yet. They call about delay/cancel. May 16 12:49:11 :P May 16 12:49:20 RST38h, oh May 16 12:49:27 Mohammad: They simple do not have the license right to show this data through apps May 16 12:49:35 RST38h: RST38h there has to be two mappings May 16 12:49:40 one for opened qwerty and one for closed May 16 12:49:41 Mohammad: What about Ovi Maps data though? Is it any better? May 16 12:49:44 lynoure, wouldn't you typically take out your phone if the person doesn't seem to be there, though May 16 12:49:49 RST38h, why Israel though? May 16 12:49:51 Macer: Ah, that May 16 12:49:59 would you happen to know what exactly i would have to edit in order to get it to work with it closed? May 16 12:50:08 Mohammad: They are getting maps from different sources. The .IL ones were licensed this way May 16 12:50:08 Macer: I think it works with turned of vKB May 16 12:50:12 RST38h: yes. with the kb opened it works fine May 16 12:50:17 s/of/off/ May 16 12:50:17 chem|st meant: Macer: I think it works with turned off vKB May 16 12:50:19 chem|st: no. doesn't. tried to disable it May 16 12:50:26 #uhm May 16 12:50:28 Macer: Have to admit I no longer remember, been a while since I had to tweak it May 16 12:50:38 if i disable it the enter key won't work at all May 16 12:50:51 if the vkb is enabled the vkb opens when pressing enter May 16 12:51:08 sorry do not remember how that worked May 16 12:51:15 RST38h, nah, ovi's worse May 16 12:51:34 damn May 16 12:51:35 MohammadAG: use mappero with openstreetmap :D May 16 12:51:44 I just checked and it does give me maps for israel May 16 12:52:03 flux: not right away, I'm a patient person when it comes to others May 16 12:52:12 Lynoure: 1. nice handle 2. I can solve that issue May 16 12:52:13 flux: also, some of my meetings are phone conferences May 16 12:52:23 my next app will solve that issue too May 16 12:52:35 lynoure, ..even more so reason to take our your phone?-) May 16 12:52:37 (or rather, scheduled phonecalls) May 16 12:53:04 flux: two separate issues. and just because I take it 'out' does not mean I make a call, sometimes I expect one. May 16 12:53:22 ok, thanks MohammadAG , for the fsck advice May 16 12:53:29 lynoure, in any case, putting the phone on vibration would perhaps address that problem May 16 12:53:35 did anyone saw this issue I am having: May 16 12:53:46 flux: yes, probably :) May 16 12:53:56 when I open the N900 keyboard the screen dims and power is lost May 16 12:54:04 the N900 shuts down May 16 12:54:21 this happens when battry is half May 16 12:54:31 is the battry dead? its a new one May 16 12:54:39 RST38h: sucks searching tons of forums trying to find a solution May 16 12:54:39 :) May 16 12:54:43 there has to be an easy fix for this May 16 12:54:47 i bet it is a one liner May 16 12:54:47 I can't mount my n900 on my debian box. dmesg shows it as recognising 2 disks -sdb and sdc- but no partitions. the phone works fine and fsck on /dev/mmcblk0p1 comes in clean. any ideas? May 16 12:56:53 oh, and fdisk can't see it either. May 16 12:57:24 * Macer starts pounding his head on the desk May 16 12:57:27 ugh. i will find this later May 16 12:57:29 Mohammad: If you have a good scan of the Israeli map, it can be used for display May 16 12:57:37 Mohammad: Inside Mappero at least May 16 12:57:58 scoobertron: there is no partition table, it mounts directly as /dev/sdx May 16 12:59:44 Trewas: ok, now I feel like a fool. thanks, it worked right away. May 16 13:07:57 14:28 cityLights • in case I had a suddun power failere - need I fsck rootfs? -> only FAT filesystems needs such thing. In case of power faulire no files are corrupted, normally. However this is the 2-nd time when i suck with optFS, contains billions of errors and system goes slow like hell next day -.- May 16 13:08:30 if you want to use it, you can check manually by: fsck.ext2 /dev/mmcblk0pX -n -v May 16 13:14:40 omg you would think this would be the easiest thing to find May 16 13:14:56 but evidently there aren't any clear cut instructions on how to remap the fucking key! May 16 13:14:59 argh1@#!@ May 16 13:20:51 Necc: one needs to umount before fsck May 16 13:22:21 http://www.maemofrance.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Nokia-Handset-in-Real-Steel-Trailer-600x375.png May 16 13:22:22 :) May 16 13:22:31 a n950 ? May 16 13:24:18 http://youtu.be/T75j9CoBVzE <- 0:16 May 16 13:25:25 ok May 16 13:25:51 Looks fake. May 16 13:36:20 SpeedEvil: of course it s a movie :) May 16 13:36:31 SpeedEvil: like in tron the n8 was looking fake :) May 16 13:36:53 and the ui is surely fake :) May 16 14:05:19 can I use the internet of my phone on my laptop/desktop with no customized kernel somehow ? May 16 14:05:22 hi btw :) May 16 14:06:10 it was easily viable on Symbian, but it seems to be a bit harder action on fremantle and N900. May 16 14:06:18 Try Mobile Hotspot May 16 14:06:29 that requires custom kernel, actually. May 16 14:06:37 It makes your phone a little hot, but it works. Otherwise try USB Networking May 16 14:06:45 djszapi: I thought you meant kernel on the laptop/desktop ;p May 16 14:07:10 djszapi windows -> ovi suite May 16 14:07:14 djszapi: you mean USB tethering? May 16 14:07:20 * Wizzup was assuming he used Linux May 16 14:07:24 Wizzup: no, on the phone. May 16 14:07:25 Linux -> use as modem May 16 14:07:35 Plug in - select 'pc suite' - then configure it as a normal 3g modem May 16 14:07:48 Wizzup, you are right, linux on the desktop/laptop. May 16 14:07:54 * Wizzup should call himself merlin1990 May 16 14:08:06 Wizzup? May 16 14:08:15 Well, it's my name plus birth year. May 16 14:08:29 SpeedEvil: how to configure ? May 16 14:08:48 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking May 16 14:09:01 I am just reading it: http://www.nokian900applications.com/mobile-hotspot-for-nokia-n900/ May 16 14:09:08 in my case it's only the birthyear :P May 16 14:09:14 oh. May 16 14:10:04 mobile hotspot would be all kind of brilliand, if I had not to use this custom kernel... May 16 14:10:20 * Wizzup has no problems with power kernel May 16 14:11:12 djszapi: That's entirely a question about your distribution May 16 14:11:22 * merlin1991 remembers he still has to install power kernel after the last reflash May 16 14:11:23 djszapi: you configure it exactly as you would a 3G modem dongle. May 16 14:11:39 SpeedEvil: usb networking is a distribution independent thing May 16 14:11:51 same command everywhere I used it heretofore. May 16 14:12:12 Ubuntu has it in the ui afaik May 16 14:13:01 oh sure, ui solutions are different things, I meant the console way. May 16 14:13:22 finally May 16 14:13:30 Sts helped me out.. got it working May 16 14:13:42 it's working like a champ now .. typing from it now with the slider closed :) May 16 14:13:57 i need to try out abiword May 16 14:15:21 Wizzup: are you using this custom kernel with mobilehotspot ? May 16 14:16:09 It's a pretty known kernel, kernel for power users May 16 14:16:21 s/kernel/custom &/ May 16 14:16:22 Wizzup meant: It's a pretty known custom &, kernel for power users May 16 14:16:29 http://paste.kde.org/71515/ May 16 14:16:33 Wizzup: how about that output ? May 16 14:17:02 * Wizzup doesn't know what you're trying to do atm May 16 14:17:10 install mobilehotspot May 16 14:17:15 and this package is a dependency May 16 14:18:32 The flasher version would be the normal way May 16 14:18:33 http://paste.kde.org/71557/ -> that is also an output, actually. May 16 14:18:45 while the img is for uboot May 16 14:19:36 my sources.list is empty somehow. May 16 14:19:57 It's in sourses.lisdt.d/something May 16 14:20:12 While something is the only file in that folder May 16 14:20:35 afternoon May 16 14:20:39 * djszapi has no clue what is going on May 16 14:20:47 why cannot I install this mobilehotspot stuff ? May 16 14:21:30 Try installing the kernel for power users from the application manager May 16 14:21:42 * lardman is glad to hear Nokia are killing Ovi off May 16 14:22:26 does it mean there won't be ovi shop anymore? May 16 14:22:35 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13409318 May 16 14:22:41 that's all I know May 16 14:23:30 Wizzup: why May 16 14:23:36 console is just a fine interface. May 16 14:23:44 I would not like to use any gui, sorry. May 16 14:24:01 it is a simple apt-get install whatever, anyway... May 16 14:24:10 Yep May 16 14:24:27 If you want to do it the hard way then don't ask silly questions :) IMO May 16 14:24:39 silly questions ? May 16 14:24:49 hard way as in apt-get install whatever, huh ? May 16 14:25:09 Well it seems to be hard... May 16 14:25:26 Apt-get install kernel-power-flasher May 16 14:25:29 kernel-power - Flashable Linux kernel May 16 14:25:33 apt-cache search power May 16 14:25:38 nice to hear I am asking silly questions :( May 16 14:26:37 They're not particularly silly, but they seem silly to me if you insist on doing it with the console May 16 14:26:43 \o/ May 16 14:27:12 ~lart apt-worker May 16 14:27:13 * infobot flings poo at apt-worker May 16 14:27:39 ~botsnack May 16 14:27:40 :), chem|st May 16 14:27:43 * djszapi fails to see how it is a silly question if someone would like to use a cli for solving issue because he prefers it. May 16 14:28:04 I think it is arrogant to say it and not to respect it, actually. May 16 14:28:21 djszapi: console solves problems the time you know your way around on console May 16 14:28:29 merlin1991: sigterm after installing the power kernel: http://paste.kde.org/71593/ May 16 14:28:42 chem|st: yeah, I would like to know ofc. May 16 14:28:45 what is your point ? May 16 14:28:55 djszapi: solving "issues" or "problems" when you don't know what the way is gives even "more" problems May 16 14:29:35 please do not be tiring, if I would like to know how to solve it from cli, then that is my question, that is May 16 14:30:09 Uh oh did you have uboot installed djszapi? May 16 14:30:16 merlin1991: indeed May 16 14:30:23 I use maemo, meego dual boot with uboot. May 16 14:30:36 with this "run noloboot" command for maemo May 16 14:30:47 djszapi: you don't learn your way around by doing things from a list of cli lines but from proper how-to's May 16 14:31:10 time to ignore you ;) May 16 14:31:27 ~ignore djszapi May 16 14:31:27 * infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, djszapi!" May 16 14:32:24 merlin1991: so I should not use the flasher then ? May 16 14:33:21 Iirc then flashing a kernel while having uboot ruins your boot May 16 14:33:29 mmh, kernel-power-bootimg went fine May 16 14:33:55 http://paste.kde.org/71605/ May 16 14:34:34 merlin1991: still the same error while trying to install this mobilehotspot application. May 16 14:34:59 Docscrutinizer: was it uboot that broke kernel flashes? May 16 14:35:03 http://paste.kde.org/71629/ May 16 14:36:11 Djszapi did you read the error at the end? May 16 14:36:14 Could not resolve host: downloads.maemo.nokia.com (Could not contact DNS servers) May 16 14:36:29 yes, no idea what that means and how to solve it. May 16 14:36:32 that is why I am asking, really :) May 16 14:36:38 And then: : Unable to fetch some archives May 16 14:37:08 It fails todo a dns lookup for downloads.maemo.nokia.com May 16 14:37:13 apt-cache search wireless-tools May 16 14:37:14 wireless-tools - Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions May 16 14:37:33 Djszapi apt is fine you connection isn't May 16 14:37:34 yes, but no idea why May 16 14:37:45 nameserver 8.8.8.8 -> from the /etc/resolv.conf May 16 14:38:29 What does nslookup downloads.maemo.nokia.com give you? May 16 14:38:44 nslookup downloads.maemo.nokia.com May 16 14:38:44 Server: 8.8.8.8 May 16 14:39:08 Address 1: 8.8.8.8 May 16 14:40:35 merlin1991: nslookup: can't resolve 'downloads.maemo.nokia.com' May 16 14:41:13 Can you even ping 8.8.8.8 May 16 14:41:35 Because I did a dns lookup against it and it resolved fine May 16 14:41:48 no, I cannot, actually. May 16 14:42:01 Wich should work anyway, I made it just to be sure :D May 16 14:42:14 Well there's your problem May 16 14:42:21 No connection to dns May 16 14:42:29 that is fairly odd... May 16 14:42:58 no clue what is going on :o May 16 14:43:55 any idea ? May 16 14:45:04 How's your n900 connected? May 16 14:45:16 usb May 16 14:45:25 pc suite mode May 16 14:45:56 No I mean the n900 <> internet connection May 16 14:46:01 usb May 16 14:46:42 http://repository.maemo.org can be solved, but not the downloads.maemo.nokia.com, odd... May 16 14:48:23 actually com, not org, but still May 16 14:52:15 any idea May 16 14:52:56 Yeah, repository was still cached. Your DNS no work May 16 14:53:16 yes, obviously, why not May 16 14:53:45 * Wizzup shrugs May 16 14:55:04 Well I have no idea why you can't reach the dns May 16 14:55:10 try another one? May 16 14:55:20 another what ? May 16 14:56:59 ok, mobilehotspot is installed manually now. May 16 14:57:44 mh...just wep encryption...does not sound good... May 16 14:57:49 Another dns server I meant May 16 14:58:06 how to do that ? May 16 14:58:46 anyway, no need for that really after the installation was fine manually. May 16 15:08:29 I could start by using the button in the mobilehotspot application, but it cannot really be seen from the desktop/laptop, what do I do wrong ? May 16 15:10:49 or at least how to debug it, etc. May 16 15:28:41 or does this wep mean "wpa" in fact ? May 16 15:29:05 I always get "WPA Authentication/Association Failed", anyway May 16 15:30:12 it does not even work with open, odd stuff :) May 16 15:36:39 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48075&highlight=hotspot <-- for consideration, just in general --> http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ May 16 15:36:48 djszapi: ^^ thats for you May 16 15:36:51 well, read them May 16 15:36:56 both? May 16 15:37:01 yep May 16 15:37:45 listening to the backend should show whats wrong, there is no WPA or even WPA2... only WEP May 16 15:37:55 afair May 16 15:37:57 gtg May 16 15:38:00 bye May 16 15:38:30 o/ May 16 15:40:48 that is too bad... May 16 15:47:25 haha May 16 15:47:28 Ovi getting the boot May 16 15:47:43 that's probably one of the only Elocalypse actions that I don't mind May 16 15:49:37 hm? May 16 15:50:58 oh, just the brand May 16 15:51:15 mobilehotspot is not a working application here. May 16 15:51:17 this is too bad. May 16 15:51:29 how about the commercial tool, has anybody any experience about that ? May 16 15:51:37 Ovi Music is the only musicstore that is actually usable for me, excluding piracy which aren't stores :P May 16 16:21:23 djszapi: mobile HS needs PK May 16 16:21:28 afaik May 16 16:21:45 pardon ? May 16 16:21:54 powerkernel May 16 16:22:14 so what ... ? May 16 16:22:21 DocScrutinizer, did you watch eurovision? May 16 16:22:22 I could not install the tool without that really. May 16 16:22:34 so do you have PK installed? May 16 16:22:41 ^ May 16 16:22:47 :nod: May 16 16:23:29 crashanddie: nah, I'm already depressed May 16 16:23:46 DocScrutinizer, the german could've changed your mind May 16 16:23:48 DocScrutinizer: no idea what is going on really. May 16 16:23:55 DocScrutinizer, she was kinda good looking last year, hot this year. May 16 16:24:14 DocScrutinizer: this tool seems to be very hard to use to me. May 16 16:24:19 I think she's a stupid bitch May 16 16:24:21 nothing else I did then installing it. May 16 16:24:37 DocScrutinizer, hey, I'm taking about her looks, not her brain May 16 16:25:30 djszapi: really sorry I can't help, as I never gave MHS a shot May 16 16:25:44 DocScrutinizer: time to give :p May 16 16:25:53 there is a "business" reason for it ;) May 16 16:26:02 usually I resort to my friends ifconfig, route, and ping though May 16 16:26:09 it is odd really why it does not work. What bugs me is that, Symbian works like a charm, out-of-the-box. May 16 16:29:25 DocScrutinizer: and there are couple of bugs in this small application, fex. if I type a wep password, it inserts X zeros at the end. May 16 16:29:43 how i downgrade from cssu to stock maemo? May 16 16:32:39 anyone? May 16 16:37:12 * slonopotamus has the feeling that over time this channel gets less and less useful May 16 16:37:37 slonopotamus: sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F -f -R May 16 16:38:50 khertan: that's too bruteforce. you could even suggest buying new n900 or going back in time. May 16 16:39:12 khertan: is there any normal apt-get way? May 16 16:39:12 slonopotamus: it s not bruteforce it s the proper way ! May 16 16:39:38 the apt way is hackish, unstable and will bring more problem May 16 16:39:50 no, it isn't. maemo has a package manager after all. May 16 16:39:55 LOL May 16 16:40:14 slonopotamus: even debian warn about downgrade using apt May 16 16:40:45 meh May 16 16:40:57 gentoo gets +1 point again May 16 16:41:07 mouarf May 16 16:41:29 none gentoo couldn't be considered as Stable May 16 16:42:25 slonopotamus: remove the cssu repository and do a apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr May 16 16:42:55 slonopotamus: remove the cssu repository and do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr May 16 16:43:00 khertan: complains about unsatisfied deps, too new versions of packages installed May 16 16:43:24 which package exactly ? May 16 16:43:53 * khertan will probably remove it too too much qt problem May 16 16:44:05 * khertan and for testing apps with old qt version :) May 16 16:44:16 modest, qt, several hildon packages May 16 16:45:24 except qt i didn 't have other problem May 16 16:45:54 slonopotamus: so it s perfectly normal ... what s the problem ? May 16 16:46:53 nothing depends on newer qt packages, why this thingie cannot simply uninstall them? May 16 16:47:30 slonopotamus: let me try May 16 16:48:22 btw, what does "selecting previously deselected package X" mean? May 16 16:48:25 * khertan currently downloading new version of qt May 16 16:48:38 slonopotamus: that it s selection deselected package May 16 16:48:57 what is a deselected package? May 16 16:49:14 a package which hasn't been selected May 16 16:49:17 or installed May 16 16:49:33 selected == installed? May 16 16:49:43 The following packages have unmet dependencies: May 16 16:49:48 same problem here :) May 16 16:50:37 khertan: Nokia N01 :P May 16 16:50:54 ? May 16 16:50:55 Looks like iPhone 1 tho :) May 16 16:53:51 Anyway I'd watch Real Steel just because of Evangeline Lilly May 16 16:54:10 :) May 16 16:54:26 according to google, downgrade should be doable via apt-get dist-upgrade, but it is broken on maemo, wants to pull in coreutils for some reason May 16 16:54:28 http://pastebin.com/Te08dXtY May 16 16:54:31 ^^oups May 16 16:55:02 downgrade through dist-upgrade? I don't think so May 16 16:55:13 :) May 16 16:55:17 wazd, I would agree too May 16 16:55:27 has anyone used qtmobility 1.2 in qml yet? May 16 16:55:31 edit: it wants to pull in debianutils that conflicts with busybox and wants to purge half of maemo :) May 16 16:56:01 Corsac: that doesn't change the fact that dist-upgrade is broken in maemo May 16 16:57:09 khertan: nice :) May 16 16:57:22 smth like that here May 16 16:57:38 at least, it will free 234mb :) May 16 16:58:36 now i see why debian had to invent epoch number May 16 16:58:50 slonopotamus: don't use it May 16 16:59:01 Corsac: debian? okay May 16 16:59:16 what? May 16 16:59:46 no, i should ask "what", not you May 16 16:59:52 what? May 16 17:00:16 Corsac: loop? May 16 17:00:32 you don't make any sense May 16 17:01:10 Corsac: practice that for several years already :) May 16 17:01:26 okay, you said "don't use it". what "it"? May 16 17:02:11 the “it” which is broken in maemo? May 16 17:03:50 hi May 16 17:03:53 i've got a problem May 16 17:04:06 while installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic May 16 17:04:17 an unexpected reboot happend May 16 17:04:22 *happened May 16 17:04:37 and whenever i try to load any easy debian app May 16 17:04:53 i got error, for example, while running apt=get May 16 17:05:21 "error while loading shared library: libstdc++.so.6" May 16 17:05:25 what should i do? May 16 17:05:52 slonopotamus: honestly I don't think there's any proper clean way to downgrade from cssu to stock, other than flashing COMBINED May 16 17:06:21 or restoring a full image backup done by backupmenu May 16 17:12:12 while installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library: libstdc++.so.6". what should i do? May 16 17:13:19 could somebody help? May 16 17:18:07 while installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library: libstdc++.so.6: No such file or directory". what should i do? the library exist in /usr/lib May 16 17:18:33 any app run in debian chroot crashes from similar problem May 16 17:18:36 as if no libs were seen May 16 17:19:10 what should i do? May 16 17:19:59 DocScrutinizer: May 16 17:20:03 DocScrutinizer: indeed May 16 17:20:13 there is so many cross dependancies May 16 17:22:00 btw downgrading pr1.3->pr1.2 as well doesn't work. And apt-get dist-upgrade is notorious to break your system, even for upgrading May 16 17:24:01 LOL May 16 17:24:08 there is a really easy solution May 16 17:24:20 reinstalling all package with the previous version May 16 17:24:26 and the easiest way is : May 16 17:24:30 apt-get install aptitude May 16 17:24:56 apt-get remove mp-fremantle-community-pr May 16 17:25:07 aptitude install mp-fremantle-generic-pr May 16 17:25:54 while installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library: libstdc++.so.6: No such file or directory". what should i do? the library exist in /usr/lib May 16 17:26:00 as if no libs were seen May 16 17:26:05 any app run in debian chroot crashes from similar problem May 16 17:26:12 what should i do? May 16 17:26:16 even that is nonsense. What do you do with the arbitrary config file that got additional keys unknown to prior PR version? Downgrade KDE4->KDE3, enjoy! Downgrading has immanent issues that can't get fixed on a general basis May 16 17:26:20 is the version of libqtm-12 in extras the latest? May 16 17:26:32 (ie, final released) May 16 17:27:06 what should i do with easy debian May 16 17:27:06 version string looks like ~tp1-0fn~fremantle13 May 16 17:27:07 ? May 16 17:28:40 ah, i guess its in the process....build failed http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/qt-mobility/1.2.0-0fn~fremantle0/ May 16 17:29:33 khertan: you had to not only remove but also purge(?) all packages, and that's really silly as it will take hours and *at best* will result in a system you get via flashing in seconds May 16 17:30:36 what should i do with easy debian May 16 17:31:22 there simply is no such thing like downgrade, for a whole system. You can downgrade a single app, if you *completely* remove it - incl all config files, data and proj files etc - then nstall the lower version May 16 17:32:16 while installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library: libstdc++.so.6: No such file or directory". what should i do? the library exist in /usr/lib May 16 17:32:18 what should i do with easy debian May 16 17:32:22 any app run in debian chroot crashes from similar problem May 16 17:32:29 if you do that for each pkg of a whole system, then you for sure are better off with a fresh install May 16 17:32:30 as if no libs were seen May 16 17:33:07 is anybody familiar with easy debian here??! May 16 17:35:00 DocScrutinizer: in seconds not sure as it will take time to redownload applications package May 16 17:35:22 hm, granted May 16 17:35:54 restore a backuped image, best you can do May 16 17:36:03 DocScrutinizer: it s didn't take hours ... it s take 5 min May 16 17:36:28 because you didn't do it properly May 16 17:36:40 :) May 16 17:36:48 what should i do with easy debian May 16 17:36:59 smoke it? May 16 17:37:15 while installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library: libstdc++.so.6: No such file or directory". what should i do? the library exist in /usr/lib May 16 17:37:20 as if no libs were seen May 16 17:37:27 any app run in debian chroot crashes from similar problem May 16 17:37:36 any debian app, after all May 16 17:38:06 * DocScrutinizer starts to squint up/down May 16 17:40:01 DocScrutinizer: lol downgrade successful :) May 16 17:40:09 Darth_Root: avrg reply delay on this chan is from 5s...12h May 16 17:40:36 sh*t.... i'm frustrated with that easy debian, which ain't easy :P May 16 17:40:40 khertan: definitely not. You got no clean system May 16 17:40:48 DocScrutinizer: are you sure ? May 16 17:41:25 yes, as you can't tell for sure which config files were altered by a new version in a way the old version blows chunks at May 16 17:41:36 emphasis on "for sure" May 16 17:41:49 DocScrutinizer: which config does cssu change ? May 16 17:42:01 it just add optional option in config file May 16 17:42:14 except you'd do a md5 hash across your whole storage and compare to a virgin PRn-1 system May 16 17:42:21 my package seems to be stuck in the autobuilder, is there anyone in here who can help me with that? May 16 17:42:23 DocScrutinizer: of course ! May 16 17:42:55 DocScrutinizer: hum i'm not talking about pr n-1 downgrade May 16 17:42:57 both the armel and i386 build look finished (there are debs in the results/ folder), but the autobuilder hasn't completed the build process yet for some reason (it's 'building' for 1:15h+ now) May 16 17:43:17 but pr1.3 community testing ssu to pr1.3 May 16 17:43:22 not the same May 16 17:43:37 sure the same May 16 17:43:44 nope ... look at the package May 16 17:43:45 :) May 16 17:44:04 btw since when we got a cssu-testing?? o.O May 16 17:44:26 DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Cssu May 16 17:45:00 it s called testing ... but i ll more call that cssu-dev May 16 17:45:01 :) May 16 17:45:04 meh, ohmy May 16 17:45:14 this should be "unstable" May 16 17:46:49 we only could declare that "testing" when all the hacking would've been done outside cssu, in some private space like it's been before cssu May 16 17:46:59 Which app is the best at the moment for voice navigation? May 16 17:47:30 matan's H-D been tested for several month, hosted on some random webpage, when it finally got into cssu May 16 17:48:21 nowadays bleeding edge crap goes directly into cssu before it even ran on >10 systems May 16 17:50:24 DocScrutinizer: the worst part i think is the qt version 4.7.2 which is the official qt one, but the raster engine have some crappy bug May 16 17:50:50 DocScrutinizer: but some bug are fixed in this version ... and some new appears May 16 17:50:52 :( May 16 17:51:22 yeah, and it's evidently not been tested anywhere, prior to dumping that shitload to the enduser May 16 17:51:33 ok i found out what was the key to easy debian May 16 17:51:45 definitely bold May 16 17:51:55 i had to replace the .ext2.lzma and .ext2 with the original ones May 16 17:52:02 and now everything's allright May 16 18:01:09 khertan: when even the experienced hackers start to moan and swear and ask for a downgrade or alternatively please finally get a true testing based on the release 2 steps ago, then you know you are in severe trouble with your distro project. RST38h asks for a modest downgrade, everybody frowns and swears about qt4.7.2... - tell me how is cssu *ever* going to become the better alternative to a stock maemo5 that users know all the bugs it has May 16 18:01:11 and learned to live with them? CSSU is doomed if it continues that path May 16 18:04:16 I used to be afraid of Nokia's software updates. CSSU makes those seem like non-events :) May 16 18:04:28 indeed May 16 18:07:59 the aim of fixing bugs in stock fremantle got completely forgotten in favour of a featuritis that doesn't care about end users at all, neither about quality control May 16 18:08:12 (in cssu) May 16 18:08:52 true May 16 18:09:03 ieps.. Do any of you guys know where the files queued for upload using the "share" service are stored? May 16 18:09:36 i think everything relate to the share framework at maemo 5 May 16 18:09:41 is close source May 16 18:09:54 not really, I'd start searching in /var May 16 18:10:10 i looked inside /var for a few minutes already May 16 18:10:17 find nor grep show up much May 16 18:10:21 not in gconf eiter May 16 18:10:24 find is your friend ;-) May 16 18:10:32 i know, but not in this case :p May 16 18:10:46 i need to cancel one of those uploads, and the GUI just barks at me May 16 18:10:55 it shows the dialog and it immediately closes it May 16 18:11:07 share a file, look at clock, find for files changed/created at that time May 16 18:11:19 you are a genius /D May 16 18:11:50 heh, how could I know you already borked it? May 16 18:12:02 ow May 16 18:12:06 i did not mean sarcasm May 16 18:12:16 i'll schedule a new file May 16 18:12:24 and check for most recently modified files May 16 18:12:25 it makes sense May 16 18:13:05 wait May 16 18:13:10 ~/.sharing May 16 18:13:11 lol May 16 18:13:24 i just figured it might be in the user dir May 16 18:13:25 and it is:D May 16 18:13:45 hurray for me, and thanks DocScrutinizer;-) May 16 18:14:25 i found this chan to be weird before.. people actually trying to help out.. May 16 18:14:27 freaky stuff May 16 18:16:52 hmmm can any of you still use the facebook photo upload thing? May 16 18:17:00 that and flickr freak out on me May 16 18:17:02 never used it May 16 18:18:22 reminds me to ponder how long ovi share will work May 16 18:18:29 yeah trying that now May 16 18:18:33 wasn't that partly shut down already? May 16 18:18:39 yep May 16 18:18:48 heard some rumour today May 16 18:18:48 hmh it just hangs May 16 18:18:57 progress is "sending" May 16 18:19:01 0%. zip. May 16 18:19:07 but an incoming phonecall ;D May 16 18:22:06 mk share via service on ovi ain't working here May 16 18:22:20 ditto for flickr May 16 18:22:23 awesome May 16 18:23:38 FrieT: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10127 May 16 18:23:51 WFM May 16 18:23:56 dmd May 16 18:24:07 what did i bork May 16 18:29:34 ~wfm May 16 18:29:34 somebody said wfm was (Wired For Management Baseline) This is an Intel hardware specification that is designed to allow for compliance with easier management of desktop PCs in a networked environment. The specification calls for computers to be compatible with a pre-boot protocol that can be used to update the system or perform other management options. Also, the computer must be compatible with network/desktop management applications.. Works For Me May 16 18:29:41 hah May 16 18:30:09 ~hah May 16 18:30:10 i guess hah is everone's second favorte word (see bah, heh) May 16 18:30:10 ?.D May 16 18:30:12 :) May 16 18:30:14 lol. May 16 18:33:08 muhahaha, click on "HOME" upper left of a ovishare page. browser either explodes or spits a "recursive link!" at you May 16 18:33:43 is that the thing signups have been closed for for ages? May 16 18:33:53 Es liegt eine auf sich selbst verweisende VerknĂĽpfung vor Adresse: http://share.ovi.com/ May 16 18:34:22 http://share.ovi.com/home.aspx?SAMLart=AARnYoU6/ZbJFfjRP3cckEAJmxKhSmx8MHRlTVd1eXRYYlhh..... May 16 18:34:45 nice loop May 16 18:34:56 undercover apache benchmark? May 16 18:35:24 masochism - when your server helps create the DoS attack May 16 18:35:32 :) May 16 18:36:11 hmmm is there a way of exporting and importing all gconf entries? May 16 18:36:34 all of them? probably by copying and pasting gconf's data files May 16 18:36:56 --dump & --load ? May 16 18:36:59 Venemo May 16 18:37:01 no May 16 18:37:05 that's not what i'm looking for May 16 18:37:14 i think i'm lacking some entries May 16 18:37:26 i'd restore the old ones, and then reimport my current ones May 16 18:37:28 FrieT, I meant 'cp /usr/share/gconf.....' May 16 18:37:30 leaving the missing ones in place May 16 18:41:00 the builtin backup tool doesn't back up the full gconf tree does it? May 16 18:41:22 hey, is it possible to add more touch-buttons to xterm? May 16 18:41:24 (i'm assuming that since that'd make this too easy...) May 16 18:44:44 hmmm seems it just might do that May 16 18:46:57 --dump and --load sound just fine May 16 18:47:52 also restore isn't supposed to unset keys, as the backups might be partial May 16 18:48:08 that's what i was counting on May 16 18:48:12 load not unsetting keys May 16 18:48:25 so i can overwrite and keep current settings while restoring the ones that are missing May 16 18:48:52 or just fail miserably and roll back to a month ago :< May 16 18:48:52 : May 16 18:48:53 ) May 16 18:51:02 does anyone here still have omweather working properly? May 16 18:51:17 it broke down for me a month or 2 ago May 16 18:51:25 saying it can't fetch updates May 16 18:52:40 Wolli: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926 May 16 18:55:43 thanks madalu :) May 16 19:00:25 alas it seems impossible to add qualifier keys like AltGr May 16 19:02:41 anyone else here having trouble running the power kernel? A few releases ago worked just fine for me May 16 19:02:45 now all i get is ext3 corruption May 16 19:03:39 stock kernel does no such thing, and i'm not over/down/* clocking May 16 19:03:41 or volting May 16 19:06:32 My n900 is telling me there is a maemo update - is that from nokia or the community SSU I added? May 16 19:06:39 ssu May 16 19:07:13 when you see a microsoft update, it's nokia. May 16 19:10:20 LOL May 16 19:10:46 FrieT its also telling me I need to plug it into my computer to update it - does that mean there is an SSU image somewhere I need to download and flash? May 16 19:11:03 huh? you sur it's not telling you to plug in a charger? May 16 19:12:05 that's what it usually tells me.. "not enough battery to update", yadayada May 16 19:13:20 oh good call May 16 19:13:22 let me try that... May 16 19:14:43 kay guys i should be going.. thanks! May 16 20:02:22 Can someone PM me something? May 16 20:03:54 thanks all. May 16 20:04:34 haha May 16 20:11:56 SpeedEvil: how many pms did you get? :D May 16 20:14:33 Enough. May 16 20:19:22 The company is showing off a range of LCDs for cellphones that top out at an almost imperceptibly fine 367ppi on its 4-inch HD (720 x 1280) model. (Toshiba) May 16 20:29:47 well May 16 20:29:53 going to see if tablet-encode really works May 16 20:30:44 haha.. the damn mp4 is bigger than the avi :) May 16 20:49:35 Anyone know how I can use the power kernel with the multi boot menu? May 16 20:58:02 Jef91: http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Issues_after_multiboot_or_Nitdroid_installation May 16 20:58:21 just got there merlin1991 thanks :) May 16 20:58:30 googling as I post the questions here May 16 21:02:19 getting "can't flash kernel, required files not found" May 16 21:21:05 hi, how can i turn off keyboard led when i'm on r&d mode? thanks in advance May 16 21:23:15 Why do you think you want R&D mode? May 16 21:23:47 to see boot menu at startup and choice boot from sd or boot from flash May 16 21:25:02 why with r&d led must be turn on all time ? i don't understand this. :) May 16 21:32:44 hi May 16 21:33:53 Somewhat random. _ages_ ago, I got a BT VOIP box-thing. I still have it. Do BT still do a BOIP solution - SIP - I can't seem to find it on their website, I may be using the wrong keywords. May 16 21:34:25 wanna buy a N900 on ebay which isn't working (thats what the seller says). he said that he can'T turn it on.. it is just vibrating.. he hasn't said anything about what he can see on the display.. is that fixable via flashing? May 16 21:35:14 It's not impossible it might be. May 16 21:35:29 Could also be hardware fail. May 16 21:41:17 how much is this thopiekar ? May 16 21:41:41 SpeedEvil: k May 16 21:42:06 SpeedEvil: search for 3GN, NGN, or sth like that May 16 21:42:15 SIP in disguise May 16 21:42:20 Sicelo_: in Germany: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150604475408&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:DE:1123#ht_500wt_1156 May 16 21:42:34 I really would like to get one.. May 16 21:42:45 hmm May 16 21:43:21 I also would like to add software, even console applications from Ubuntu as I did for diablo May 16 21:43:36 streamripper for example May 16 21:43:43 and so on.. May 16 21:46:16 best wishes buddy :) May 16 21:46:57 what is that? May 16 21:47:27 thopiekar: what is that thing? May 16 21:48:01 Macer: what? streamripper? a internet radio recorder.. May 16 21:48:11 check sourceforge May 16 21:48:24 the ebay page you showed with the n900 lying on a suitcase heh May 16 21:48:30 :D May 16 21:48:38 is the n900 the detonator May 16 21:48:41 ? May 16 21:48:48 it was in ze german??C May 16 21:48:53 heh May 16 21:49:22 wish i could figure out how to get these su8w special keys to work May 16 21:49:27 like the email and menu key. that would be cool May 16 21:49:41 maybe later i will capture the codes and see if i can map them to something May 16 21:49:58 huh? I did get what you mean.. which keys? is something wrong with that device? May 16 21:50:10 no... i finally got it working correctly May 16 21:50:25 it can even type with the qwerty closed now :) but it has symbian special keys May 16 21:50:35 like the email key and the menu key May 16 21:51:06 also a left middle and right key... keys that you would normally use on an n95 May 16 21:51:39 i would love to figure out a way to map the menu key to the actual maemo5 menu May 16 21:51:47 where it would be like tapping the upper left corner May 16 21:52:07 has the N900 the application xev? May 16 21:52:27 it would show you how the button is called that is pressed.. May 16 21:52:29 don't know.. haven't looked into it much other than getting the mappings right and setting up bt hid on it May 16 21:52:47 i'm actually using it right now for irc .. it's great May 16 21:53:00 can't wait to just use abiword on my n900 instead of lugging around a laptop May 16 21:53:26 i wish there was a full blown openoffice for it... that would be awesome too.. or cups support May 16 21:53:38 if you know how the key is called you could use xbindkeys to do the trick.. May 16 21:53:40 if i could print from this thing i would ejaculate May 16 21:54:13 yeah... i will work on that later.. right now i am just happy it works at all and very well i might say May 16 21:54:21 lets say getting the menu is a dbus function, you could bind the menu key to the dbus signal May 16 21:54:48 do it ;) May 16 21:54:50 i need to find out how it is called though coming from the keyboard May 16 21:54:56 iirc, there's been some kind of success in printing from n900. check tmo May 16 21:55:05 lol. i don't even know where to start thopiekar May 16 21:55:16 but right now i need to sleep. i work tonight May 16 21:55:17 if you are lucky and I'll get a N900 you can expect Ill work on such tweaks :P May 16 21:55:29 lmao.. are you getting one? May 16 21:55:30 Macer: see yaaaa May 16 21:55:35 they're still pretty expensive May 16 21:55:41 i guess supply issues? May 16 21:55:47 Macer: can't get one for a low price atm May 16 21:55:58 no money issues May 16 21:55:59 :D May 16 21:56:11 yeah. they are rather expensive but honestly i think they will go up later if meego actually gets going on it May 16 21:56:25 sure? May 16 21:56:28 which is honestly doubtful that will happen any time soon but wishful thinking May 16 21:56:47 i think so.. lots of people might want to suck one up if meego doesn't totally suck May 16 21:57:02 hopefull not such a wishful thinking like N8x0's will get their §D driver May 16 21:57:04 *3D May 16 21:57:06 how is maemo development lately? i know they released the cssu stuff May 16 21:57:13 hahahah May 16 21:57:18 yeah that one will never happen either May 16 21:57:28 my n810 is just sitting on my desk collecting dust May 16 21:57:41 i am going to use it for carman May 16 21:57:45 I use my N800 for music in my car May 16 21:57:50 me too May 16 21:57:52 i have the obd2 bt transmitter May 16 21:58:10 i need the window mount for it :) May 16 21:58:14 bought for it also a transmitter > 20€ from china May 16 21:58:15 :D May 16 21:58:24 got one.. May 16 21:58:28 mine was around 50 May 16 21:58:41 i thought the pidgen friend tracking was kind of neat May 16 21:58:48 i'm not sure how well carman has been developed lately May 16 21:58:57 but it seems like one of the better reasons to have an n810 May 16 21:59:03 carman has many missing features.. May 16 21:59:10 heh May 16 21:59:17 well.. it gives you check engine status May 16 21:59:26 which is more than most.. :) May 16 21:59:30 tested another app for my N95... it was able to read many more values May 16 21:59:45 ah was it? May 16 21:59:55 mom May 16 21:59:58 so it is missing sensor information from the obd2 port? May 16 22:00:26 ODBscope May 16 22:00:29 i think May 16 22:00:53 there is no carman for n900 is there? May 16 22:01:01 carman is just using the minimal info from ODB May 16 22:01:13 there is as far as I know May 16 22:01:17 duh, canbus? May 16 22:01:25 it gets check engine codes for you May 16 22:01:41 doesnt it get a description of the code as well? May 16 22:01:59 canbus? May 16 22:01:59 carman isn't even checking which data is available.. the app on my N95 checks the data and tells ok can view you the following.. May 16 22:02:26 ~wiki canbus May 16 22:02:28 carman can't it just visualizes the data.. and if not available value=0 May 16 22:02:38 stupid app May 16 22:02:39 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canbus (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'Controller–area network' ('CAN' or 'CAN-bus') is a vehicle bus standard designed to allow microcontrollers and devices to communicate with each other within a vehicle without a host computer. CAN is a message-based protocol, designed specifically for automotive applications but now also used in other areas such as industrial automation and medical equipment. Development of the ... May 16 22:03:04 thats why I'm coding my own OBD system now May 16 22:03:20 heh... but carman lets you track your buddy that you are racing down the highway May 16 22:03:24 a mix of Carman, Canola and Meego IVI May 16 22:03:42 navit can do it, too May 16 22:04:03 navit does obd? May 16 22:04:05 the menu from Meego IVI and plugin'able UI May 16 22:04:11 written in PyQt May 16 22:04:25 navit can track other people.. May 16 22:04:49 heh.. that wou.d be good if meego worked May 16 22:04:49 just need to setup their GPS rfcomm as UDP-Server May 16 22:05:01 in navit May 16 22:05:18 did meego get the gps working? May 16 22:05:30 i thought the gps and cams were still a no go May 16 22:05:35 as is voice calling May 16 22:05:38 dunno May 16 22:06:28 why it code my own application I'll take care on os-independency.. it should work at the end on every os.. windows, linux and hopefully mac but haven'T got one so can't check May 16 22:06:29 :P May 16 22:06:50 heh May 16 22:07:07 k, need to get some sleep as well, Macer May 16 22:07:11 see you soon May 16 22:07:17 night May 16 22:07:23 it's 00:04 here May 16 22:07:59 voice calling on SHR is almost working May 16 22:08:22 partially working actually May 16 22:12:19 :) May 16 22:14:06 and they're implementing my alsa based PA killer \o/ May 16 22:15:05 Woo! May 16 22:15:55 "PA killer" ? May 16 22:16:25 the living proof ALSA is better than PA May 16 22:17:35 * merlin1991 realizes PA is pulseaudio May 16 22:17:53 pukeaudio May 16 22:17:57 :D May 16 22:18:34 or polypaudio (no kidding) May 16 22:18:46 I don't know much about pa vs alsa, only that everyone seems to be bashing pa, but what's the actuall drawback of pa, the system itself or the implementation? May 16 22:19:56 the idea why it's done, how it's done, and who done it May 16 22:21:33 a typical NIH thing May 16 22:21:44 ~nih May 16 22:21:44 nih is, like, \"Not Invented Here\" - a syndrome often suffered by developers and companies who tend to reinvent the wheel for no reason other than being able to put their name on it. May 16 22:30:24 PA claimed to be the inevitable improvement on ALSA, doing everything better. In fact they attributed problems to ALSA that were never existing, caused by pebkac, or simple to fix. Then their friggin implementation had exactly the problems they attributed to ALSA, just worse. Plus they shoved that shit down everybody's throat and en passant broke working ALSA systems by not providing a properly workng compatibility layer May 16 22:34:11 but the worst been the spreading of lies about ALSA - like 'alsa doesn't support per-app volume', 'alsa has no mixing' and similar BS May 16 22:38:54 in fact probably ALSA is more versatile than PA even today, and one thing's evident: PA still needs ALSA to work at all, while ALSA doesn't need PA for anyrhing (except audio over ethernet) May 16 23:02:11 Probably not the right place to ask this, but I just dug up my old n810 out of my drawer. Of course its taken apart (because the charger wasn't working) and the back side of the device is nowhere to be found! Anyways, my question is this: does anyone have a spare n810 they would mind selling for parts? May 16 23:30:07 * DocScrutinizer should send Lennart Poettering a copy of the nice Openmoko lis302dl.ko driver source. Best with GPL and (C) removed. Sure bet for getting it into linus kernel after 3 months, and kick out the braindead lis3lv02.ko joystick driver May 16 23:31:03 but, wait... Lennart never hyped and pushed anything tha looked nice. So probably that plan will fail epically May 16 23:34:01 meet DocScrutinizer the seasoned zynic ;) May 16 23:50:43 merlin1991: I tuned my ALSA for like 6 years to get an absolutely charming system working with concurrent audio, no latency, excellent quality and compatible to all apps no matter whether OSS, ARTS, ALSA... Then came PukeAudio and all distros' audio subsystem got fscj May 16 23:50:45 ked May 16 23:51:04 what do you think I feel about PA and Lennart May 16 23:51:18 love him like your son? May 16 23:51:26 yeah May 16 23:51:31 exactly May 16 23:51:52 btw I didn't get oss apps to run properly on a crappy soundcard on pretty basic ubuntu May 16 23:52:14 unless I used preload hacks to load alsa symbols into them :P May 16 23:52:19 no wonder, buntkuh is using PA May 16 23:52:44 did I mention PA doesn't care about working bugfree compatibility layers? May 16 23:54:29 you should feel happy the buntkuh PA crap was gracious enough to let your app work with ALSA-OSS compatibility layer May 16 23:54:46 wasn't alsa-oss May 16 23:55:02 actual ld_preload to replace oss calls with alsa calls in the app binarly May 16 23:55:05 *binary* May 16 23:55:08 duh? no ld_preload aoss ? May 16 23:55:47 for some reason even that didn't work :P May 16 23:55:52 aoss works usually flawlessly, on ALSA machines May 16 23:57:00 well, replacing oss by alsa janus stubs via ld_preload is exactly what aoss is doing May 16 23:57:22 the aoss stuff shipped with ubuntu didn't work May 16 23:57:29 then again, ubuntu :P May 16 23:58:02 LD_P LD_PRELOAD=${exec_prefix}/\$LIB/libaoss.so${LD_PRELOAD:+:$LD_PRELOAD} exec "$@"RELOAD=${exec_prefix}/\$LIB/libaoss.so${LD_PRELOAD:+:$LD_PRELOAD} exec "$@" May 16 23:58:14 ooops May 16 23:58:21 LD_PRELOAD=${exec_prefix}/\$LIB/libaoss.so${LD_PRELOAD:+:$LD_PRELOAD} exec "$@" May 16 23:58:49 cat /usr/bin/aoss May 17 00:00:36 libaoss.so does exactly that - provide open(), close(), read(), write() and intercept access to /dev/dsp and convert it to genuine ALSA calls May 17 00:02:30 the same shit shipped with PA for converting ALSA calls to PA doesn't work at all, and Lennart doesn't care (actually he can not fix it, as ALSA is way more versatile than PA, so some more exotic calls to ALSA can't get maped to PA API) May 17 00:04:38 so now users bitch and whine at all devels of formerly perfectly working (with ALSA) audio apps, to get PA support into those apps as the ALSA interface ceased to work with contemporary PA based distros May 17 00:05:02 is debian pa based? May 17 00:05:12 nfc May 17 00:05:38 judging by maemo, I'd say yes May 17 00:06:18 not even Nokia is mad enough to opt in deliberately for PA, esp on an embedded device May 17 00:08:50 I question that. May 17 00:09:10 The software in sseveral aspects doens't seem to have been designed taking an embedded perspective. May 17 00:09:25 I'm already asking "who said that?" May 17 00:10:16 SpeedEvil: that's quite obvious. The question is why we got it on maemo nevertheless May 17 00:12:17 * DocScrutinizer wonders what it is that Lennart got to convince everybody to adopt his BS. Sexy? mountains of money to bribe? Brutal? Just unbearable for longer than 5 min? yeah that's it :-P May 17 00:14:14 I watched a livestream of CCC last xmas, with ~180s of Lennart. I'm sure it's been tha last point that allowed him to push PA into every distro he found May 17 00:15:06 my firefox 4.0 doesn't update to 4.0.1 automatically. I use http://moff.mozilla.com/latest-beta/maemo/multi/dists/fremantle/release/binary-armel/ May 17 00:16:09 what's the right way to install firefox from the latest-beta repo? May 17 01:03:51 who in here still has the n900? May 17 01:04:01 Me. May 17 01:04:15 why? May 17 01:04:19 The vast majority of peeps here I imagine. May 17 01:04:32 megomaniak: Because it's basically the only openish linux phone. May 17 01:04:54 why is that important? May 17 01:04:54 Also, because I bought one, and it's not died yet, and I like it. May 17 01:05:20 Because I find it useful to me to be able to do some things that are tricky with other phones. May 17 01:05:42 i bought mine in Dec 2009 and the usb on broke May 17 01:05:49 Where are you? May 17 01:06:07 right now UK May 17 01:06:18 If it was bought in the EU, it's still under warranty. May 17 01:06:22 * ShadowJK has two, pessimistic about any other usable phones arriving anytime soon May 17 01:06:37 And you can ebay it once fixed if you don't want it. May 17 01:06:41 what other phone can run emacs? :) May 17 01:06:47 i called nokia and they basically told me to f-off May 17 01:06:58 megomaniak: Where was the phone bought? May 17 01:07:15 USofA May 17 01:07:32 Ah - US warranty sucks. :/ May 17 01:07:45 SpeedEvil - yes it does May 17 01:08:06 is the maemo OS dead? May 17 01:08:35 well, seems SpeedEvil , ShadowJK and me all have 2 May 17 01:08:39 In the US, retail stores and chains prefers shorter manufacturer warranties. They make lots of money on selling overpriced insurance, and there's no consumer protection laws regarding expected lifetimes May 17 01:09:23 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Black-Mobile-Phone-32GB-Smartphone-Faulty-/260778280475?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item3cb798c61b May 17 01:09:32 For example. May 17 01:09:37 i see May 17 01:09:45 megomaniak: Maemo is dead - long-live meego. Sort-of. May 17 01:09:45 msg from chanop: pupnik, please stay on topic and DO NOT INSULT OR GO XXX, this isn't #politics and (usually) a worksafe chan May 17 01:09:59 morning May 17 01:09:59 lol May 17 01:10:04 yeah but meego is POS May 17 01:10:06 no? May 17 01:10:21 nobody interested in it May 17 01:10:25 There has been no(?) meego device. May 17 01:10:35 Nokia has committed to releasing one meego device. May 17 01:10:43 i heard today that LG device is POS May 17 01:13:53 it will be hard for meego to win me over May 17 01:14:33 so maybe give SHR a try eventually, they just finish call voice audio May 17 01:14:48 SHR would be good. May 17 01:15:28 hehe, I bitched enough there May 17 01:15:30 * ShadowJK wonders where they're at with Nokia's "MeeGo-related device", is LF going to let them call it MeeGo? May 17 01:16:11 Who knows. May 17 01:16:23 heard rumours of giveaway develdevs on next event May 17 01:17:33 What does SHR consist of? May 17 01:17:56 might be about time, esp since they got no proper schematics review from a professional skeptic scrutinizer May 17 01:18:28 err May 17 01:19:05 ShadowJK: how to answer that? May 17 01:19:54 This is the Central Scrutinizer... It is my job to enforce the laws that haven't been passed yet. May 17 01:20:27 the white zone is for loading and unloading only May 17 01:21:41 * ShadowJK also heard that rumour that devel devices can't interoperate with Ovi^WNokia Store and other services, and if you do anything remotely interesting straying outside the straighjacket/sandbox your device gets permanently "downgraded" to devel device May 17 01:22:03 DocScrutinizer, X, no X, gtk/something else, etx May 17 01:22:04 etc May 17 01:22:41 E, X, FSO, up-to-date kernel May 17 01:23:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe's_Garage never realized it had so much background to it May 17 01:23:39 E? :-) May 17 01:24:01 enlightenment, edjie, e* whatever May 17 01:24:31 yeah it just surprised me May 17 01:25:14 tbh I haven't seen enlightenment since 1999 and my P133 32M ram. It was kinda sluggish May 17 01:25:17 and excessively pretty May 17 01:25:21 well, there has to be a reason Raster was our chief "desktop" developer at OM May 17 01:26:48 he was? May 17 01:26:56 sure May 17 01:28:00 was a funny time when we were both at TPE May 17 01:31:41 enlightenment was pretty good back in the day May 17 01:34:23 it's not getting worse :-D May 17 01:35:24 a bit dusty, but still... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI&feature=related May 17 01:36:37 "it looks just like a telefunken u-47" May 17 01:37:23 back then all the cool kids used E May 17 01:37:48 Nowadays E is not E, it's been replaced with much nastier drugs, with much worse side-effects. May 17 01:37:52 (though I've not done E) May 17 01:38:18 and enlightenment May 17 01:38:18 * ShadowJK drank coke and ran AfterStep May 17 01:39:03 nice choice May 17 01:39:21 :P May 17 01:40:10 it was so fun to read linux magazin back then May 17 01:40:50 i was giddy that i could buy it at the gas station May 17 01:42:05 back in my time Byte was the only magazine you could find in Germany, wit a lot of luck, on the main railway station May 17 01:43:24 then a new epoch started when I spotted the first c't mag there, right next to Byte May 17 01:43:46 when did ix come along? May 17 01:44:03 omg, laaaater May 17 01:44:09 Compute's Gazette May 17 01:45:33 bbl **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 17 02:59:58 2011