**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 22 02:59:58 2011 May 22 03:22:19 I have to admit I've never seen this notation, though it's pretty self explanatory. So usage of any known cmdline tools seems unlikely May 22 03:23:02 I honestly think this is some kind of "selfextracting archive" - with additional functionality May 22 03:43:35 i want to check out meego and nitroid can i triple boot? May 22 03:54:19 ok! May 22 03:54:36 let me see if i can get this keyboard going again May 22 03:54:50 is abiword only in devel? May 22 04:00:21 Wee, SF. May 22 04:01:42 Welcome to the left coast. May 22 04:04:01 Thanks! May 22 04:04:16 * GAN900 is going to freeze to death. May 22 04:06:23 uhm. i have a question May 22 04:06:45 considering that most dev for maemo is rather stunted... how does stuff go from devel to testing? :)| May 22 04:06:56 i mean there is a "human qa" according to the wiki May 22 04:07:17 so who is testing this stuff in order to have it moved to testing? May 22 04:07:22 and onward to extras? May 22 04:08:17 I thought you could promote anything you wanted from devel to testing. May 22 04:08:30 And then it needed votes from others to get promoted to extras. May 22 04:08:42 but who is voting for this stuff? :) May 22 04:08:50 People the author harasses. May 22 04:08:55 ah. i see. May 22 04:08:58 At least, AFAICT. May 22 04:09:15 i figure the testing phase must take years considering the lack of world involvment May 22 04:09:48 Oh, no, someone will come along and downvote you for "not having a bug tracker" (when you do) or some other silly nonsense, and then the package will be removed from testing. May 22 04:10:00 At least, this is my personal experience. May 22 04:10:29 That was about the point where I stopped publishing packages. May 22 04:10:33 can someone link me a tutorial to get latest android & maemo dual boot? May 22 04:10:34 i am only asking because in order to get my bt keyboard to work and abiword installed i need to use devel May 22 04:10:43 dimon_maemo: /topic May 22 04:10:58 go to #nitdroid and ask ;) May 22 04:11:15 Macer: Well, you need to find the authors of those packages, and about 10 friends. May 22 04:11:26 heh. ok. May 22 04:11:31 And then you can have everything in extras. May 22 04:12:02 sounds like something to work on May 22 04:12:10 would be nice ifi could get the stupid sdk installed May 22 04:12:11 ah ok May 22 04:12:23 omg what a horribly made sdk May 22 04:12:37 It sounded a lot like not writing code to me, which is why I never bothered. May 22 04:12:38 you can tell nokia slapped it together and just threw it out there May 22 04:12:50 The SDK is not that bad. May 22 04:13:04 derf: i can't get it to install on a natty box May 22 04:13:16 the install script starts but then i get a ton of dependency errors May 22 04:13:19 I got it to install on Gentoo. May 22 04:13:28 well.. all i have here is natty ;) May 22 04:13:31 With relatively little effort. May 22 04:13:40 There also used to be VMs floating around with it pre-installed. May 22 04:13:49 maybe if i use the scratchbox in the ubuntu repos May 22 04:14:02 did you use the nokia scratchbox or the one that is in the gentoo portage tree? May 22 04:14:21 Then Gentoo one was too old. May 22 04:14:31 It wasn't hard to make newer packages with more up-to-date versions. May 22 04:14:51 *The May 22 04:15:17 (This was also in 2007... I think the version in Gentoo now is fine) May 22 04:16:24 In any case, making something install on a variety of Linux distributions is insanely hard. May 22 04:16:50 So I wouldn't berate the Nokia guys too much for that part. _I_ certainly wouldn't want to have to solve that problem. May 22 04:18:00 well. it wasn't exactly like they were making an sdk that runs on a bunch of linux distros.. it was more like getting something to work across scratchbox May 22 04:18:09 but fair enough point May 22 04:18:11 ;) May 22 04:18:20 is there a windows sdk? May 22 04:18:22 * Macer hides May 22 04:18:35 i don't think bthid is required for the keyboard May 22 04:18:46 pairing and installing extkbd seems to do the trick May 22 04:19:05 and modifying the symbols/us file to get enter to work correctly May 22 04:21:24 As I said, best way to work on a Windows box is to get a VM with the SDK installed in it. May 22 04:23:29 well. i can use teh vm on my linux box as well May 22 04:23:31 i downloaded the vm May 22 04:23:41 but all i have is vbox. but i am sure it can load the image May 22 04:24:01 i'm still working on getting my phone back to a stable condition now anyways ;) May 22 04:25:30 Have you tried the little stand? May 22 04:29:45 it's kinda wtf to me that it needs root access May 22 04:52:07 ?? backupmenu May 22 04:52:16 not cool enough? May 22 04:52:50 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58633 May 22 04:52:52 lol May 22 04:55:52 you can swap the sd out while the phone is on right? May 22 04:56:22 i am right back where i started with a pretty clean maemo install May 22 04:56:40 keyboard works.. mail for exchange works.. abi etc works.. :) hopefully this backupmenu stuff works May 22 05:18:25 i have libacl/libattr issues with backupmenu May 22 05:18:40 i'm hoping that doesn't break anything if i have to restore but i am guessing it will May 22 05:29:21 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/backupmenu/0.61-1/ May 22 05:29:29 heh. go figure. guess i have to install these manually May 22 06:39:07 * GAN900 is drinking a friend's microbrew. Good times. May 22 08:13:33 d May 22 09:27:10 morning May 22 09:28:30 * lardman wonders what werewolf games are? May 22 09:28:36 http://sf2011.meego.com/program May 22 09:36:33 awesome May 22 09:36:45 got the sdk image running in vbox May 22 09:36:53 LET'S START BUILDING STUFF! :) May 22 09:37:29 i have no idea where to start May 22 09:37:30 robbiethe1st, in the future do you plan to make your backupmenu to let the user select the partition(s) to backup? because at the moment my optFS is in mz microSD card and can make backup May 22 09:37:39 is there like a maemo sdk for dummies book? May 22 09:37:43 Macer, build up the world trade center May 22 09:37:56 Well, it actually /does/ select the partition May 22 09:38:02 doesn't matter what your mount is May 22 09:38:23 optfs = first partition, EMMC, SD card = first partition, SD May 22 09:38:52 hi all May 22 09:39:20 I am going to munich this weekend and was wondering if there is a chance to by the N9 May 22 09:39:30 or meet any of the members here May 22 09:39:38 so ppl know I am nice May 22 09:40:14 how do you know the people here aren't serial killers? May 22 09:40:28 hmm so there is a way to copy back my data from SD -> eMMC May 22 09:40:30 well, some have helpped me May 22 09:40:39 and I would like to buy them beer May 22 09:40:43 cityLights: serial killers usually do :) May 22 09:40:51 Macer, 98% of us are either linux coders, developers or power users May 22 09:40:53 from sd to mmc? May 22 09:41:07 1% are ¨noobs¨ whose seek to learn May 22 09:41:18 the remaining 1% are politics and serial killers May 22 09:41:20 :) if i didn't know any better i would think that was a shot at me May 22 09:41:25 also, as I am not yet earning a leaving from developing to the N900 I was wondering how does May 22 09:42:48 maybe I could even meet that guy how wrote the openvpn-applet May 22 09:43:12 which I am currently study to make my own applet May 22 09:43:19 which btw doesnt work now May 22 09:43:25 damn UI May 22 09:43:31 heh May 22 09:43:56 cityLights: i tried to install the sdk on a natty box and it didn't turn out too well. your best bet would be to do like i did and download the virtual image May 22 09:44:02 when you write code used by so many ppl, its nice meeting some users... May 22 09:44:32 this is why I am using python May 22 09:44:40 and not #c May 22 09:45:00 i would rather learn c May 22 09:45:04 c++ May 22 09:45:11 any way I guess it will be another month before the N9 start selling May 22 09:45:12 i actually do have a dummies book for that but i never got into it May 22 09:45:25 I know c May 22 09:45:40 even wrote some stuff, but like python much better May 22 09:45:57 C/C++ > Python May 22 09:46:10 at least performance wise, if coded well May 22 09:46:16 hi MohammadAG May 22 09:46:22 hi May 22 09:46:43 o ya , I got a job offer in c++ that I cant take now, any good alsa coder here? May 22 09:46:53 MohammadAG: looking for work? May 22 09:47:06 do they take 17 year olds? :P May 22 09:47:16 oh ya , I also need advice for 3G in germnay May 22 09:47:26 * MohammadAG pokes DocScrutinizer for that May 22 09:47:39 pls pm me if you want to hear more May 22 09:48:14 can anyone recomend a good 3G pre paid provider in germany? May 22 09:52:19 btw, did anyone put out hebrew for the meego yet> May 22 09:52:20 ? May 22 10:03:50 cityLights: if you are in cities then eplus and its resellers are the cheapest, but they have bad coverage in rual areas May 22 10:09:48 thanks,cehteh May 22 10:23:00 well. let me see if i can see what i can do in this vm May 22 10:23:49 maybe i can build something useful May 22 10:24:51 cehteh: I was told to ask for fonic May 22 10:25:19 its 10 euro for the sim and 2.5 euro for each day unlimited access May 22 10:25:24 good? May 22 10:25:53 what network do they use, prolly e-plus? i dont know them May 22 10:26:23 2.5 euro/day? May 22 10:26:36 fonic seems to be 02 virtual May 22 10:26:36 o2 May 22 10:26:40 i have blau.de and can really recommend then, cheap is one thing, but no nagging "special offer SMS" and easy to use web interface and "just works" is priceless May 22 10:27:08 will you only be in munic or travel by train and go elsewhere? May 22 10:28:38 yes i see o2 .. dunno about how well it works, my wife has some other sims but iirc thats all mobilkom and t-online and she only uses phone, no net May 22 10:30:53 so how do i get to an xterm in this thing? May 22 10:31:04 when i double click on sdk it opens xephyr with no xterm May 22 10:31:14 /scratchbox/login May 22 10:31:29 ok May 22 10:31:37 I'm guessing you used the GUI installer, the scripted one doesn't do that May 22 10:31:44 i used a vm May 22 10:31:47 :) May 22 10:31:56 the sdk image May 22 10:32:02 i took the cheap way out May 22 10:32:27 haha May 22 10:32:30 weak :p May 22 10:32:37 pussie May 22 10:32:59 haha May 22 10:33:05 does it just pick up on the network? May 22 10:34:14 i guess you have to start the vm with network and configure resolv.conf in the guest at least May 22 10:34:17 earthquake, fun times May 22 10:39:06 Any news on N9= May 22 10:39:07 ? May 22 10:39:55 i got it May 22 10:40:11 so /scratchbox/login would be like running xterm on the virtual n900? May 22 10:48:14 yes May 22 10:48:19 except it's bash, not ash May 22 10:51:29 android platform is pathetic, they dont have a standard media-player which can play icecast streams May 22 10:51:32 boooo! May 22 10:53:04 yeah. that makes the whole platform bad. May 22 10:54:49 lxp: hello there May 22 10:56:55 my n900 won't respond to input, and when i ssh into it pretty much every command returns -sh: top: Too many open files in system May 22 10:57:10 is there a way i can kill those processes without rebooting? May 22 10:57:37 can't run ps, so i can't really know which process causes this May 22 10:58:59 how did you run into this state? May 22 10:59:08 i woke up to it May 22 10:59:12 and well .. you prolly have to reboot anyways May 22 10:59:21 logged in as root now, and now i can run top May 22 10:59:32 strange May 22 10:59:49 3247 root 2084 S sh -c /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server May 22 10:59:49 3248 root 3564 S /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server May 22 10:59:52 lots of those May 22 11:00:05 do you sshfs to the phone? May 22 11:00:19 so probably my ubuntu box scanning something on the phone May 22 11:00:26 yeah, that's probably it May 22 11:00:40 yes updatedb :) May 22 11:00:43 i have this script that auto-mounts my phone when it's on my lan May 22 11:00:55 exclude it from indexing May 22 11:03:50 will probably need to reboot anyway, at least i know what happened May 22 11:09:42 ok so... May 22 11:09:59 i am going to try to build foomatic-filters May 22 11:10:09 is there a guide on how i pkg this if i get it built? :) May 22 11:10:20 sorry to all , I didnt get to see the answer as I was disconnected May 22 11:10:44 what is the advice about german 3G carrior May 22 11:11:57 pasted you in pm .. well but i cant say much about others than i am using and i am not a heavy user May 22 11:12:58 when you are here just for a short visit, you can pick almost any one, just check for prices May 22 11:13:13 do you use voip ? May 22 11:13:37 skype rarely and most of the time over wlan not mobile May 22 11:14:09 I plan to buy a german number and still use my Israel number over voip May 22 11:14:21 so I pay local cost for german calls May 22 11:14:31 wow. this reminds me of gentoo May 22 11:14:43 haha.. or slackware back in the day where you had to build everything by hand May 22 11:14:45 well dunno how well it works, some providers dont allow voip and some even enforce it May 22 11:15:16 does your enforce it? May 22 11:15:19 i have no idea how to build a deb tho May 22 11:15:20 so you have to look at there terms of service May 22 11:15:48 ok May 22 11:15:49 iirc blau even allows it .. but i have to do a 2nd check May 22 11:16:22 must catch a rain now May 22 11:16:26 take care all May 22 11:16:35 hope to release my app soon May 22 11:16:44 catch a rain .. haha :) May 22 11:16:50 * cehteh gives cityLights a umbrella May 22 11:17:11 s/rain/train/ May 22 11:17:19 :) May 22 11:17:46 bye bye May 22 11:18:06 cu+ May 22 11:22:29 hi May 22 11:33:22 ugh May 22 11:33:25 how do i get root in this sdk?? May 22 11:38:41 i keep getting "must be setuid root" when trying to run sudo May 22 11:45:39 omg seriously May 22 11:45:44 it is like a rotating door May 22 11:45:50 can't ssh as root because i can't edit stuff as root May 22 11:45:57 i'm trying to setup pan between a n900 and a linux laptop, but after pairing there is no bnep0 on the n900, any ideas? May 22 11:49:02 Macer, read docs May 22 11:49:09 clearly, you're not doing that May 22 11:49:12 use fakeroot May 22 11:50:36 oh :) May 22 11:52:14 or setup scratchbox to use real root May 22 11:53:06 cehteh: fakeroot makes a little more sense ;) May 22 11:53:10 but thanks MohammadAG May 22 11:53:16 i just finished building foomatic-filters May 22 11:53:28 usually you don't need root May 22 11:53:34 you can apt-get without it etc May 22 11:53:41 i needed it for the cups configure May 22 11:53:44 because cups adds a grp May 22 11:54:12 and i needed to install the cups pkg to get foomatic to build May 22 11:54:13 ;) May 22 11:54:36 but it built.. all this is just to get a foomatic pkg on the n900 so i can print straight from it to my brother laser printer May 22 11:54:42 and i'm sure a lot of ppds use foomatic May 22 11:55:01 sure wish i had enough skill to build an abiword with printer support May 22 11:55:11 maybe i can try to build it and see if it just picks up the cups support May 22 11:55:15 FYI, you're probably in the X86 target May 22 11:55:17 just sayin May 22 11:55:50 MohammadAG: N9 is x86? May 22 11:56:03 ... May 22 11:56:08 wow May 22 11:56:09 i sure am May 22 11:56:10 wtf May 22 11:56:16 ugh May 22 11:56:28 sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL May 22 11:59:31 hello May 22 12:00:03 MohammadAG: i didn't even notice that May 22 12:00:16 so i was happy about foomatic for nothing May 22 12:00:22 it will probably fail when trying to build it for arm May 22 12:01:03 anyone here can help set my n900 back to factory defaults (wiki with flashing emmc and combined image dont work) May 22 12:02:47 MohammadAG: so after changing the target the xephyr sdk icon should be running the armel target right? May 22 12:02:52 it 'never' fails May 22 12:02:53 Itschue: that should set you back to factory defaults May 22 12:03:28 damn May 22 12:03:35 when i run fakeroot it switches over to x86 May 22 12:03:41 no rootfs befor flashing 56% used after flashing the same and device lock code isnt the default May 22 12:05:17 oh .. it is before i run the xephyr where it stays armel May 22 12:05:26 Macer, the icon is retarded May 22 12:05:32 and when i run it and get the maemo desktop in xephyr it goes to x86 May 22 12:05:36 actually, the whole GUI installer is retarded May 22 12:06:09 device lock code can't get reset May 22 12:06:43 it can, just write BS to the cal block May 22 12:07:33 * RST38h moos, greets May 22 12:07:59 (why did I know from beginning he'll go to complain about lockcode?) May 22 12:08:25 the script changes it to x86 May 22 12:08:31 i just edited the script so i stay armel May 22 12:08:53 the script fires up the UI May 22 12:09:00 the UI can only run in X86 May 22 12:09:05 omg wtf? :) May 22 12:09:12 so do the targets stay the same? May 22 12:09:12 so I'd keep it at X86 May 22 12:09:28 you can only compile with the ARMEL target May 22 12:09:41 so stop being lazy and type /scratchbox/login instead of some icon :p May 22 12:10:02 can anyone help me May 22 12:10:39 MohammadAG: i am May 22 12:10:43 but i want to see it working May 22 12:10:50 although i guess you are right.. i don't need to use the ui May 22 12:10:51 see what? May 22 12:11:01 i want to see if the pkgs go into the ui May 22 12:11:08 compile on ARMEL, test on (poor) device May 22 12:11:20 what's the worst thing that could happen :p May 22 12:11:28 Itschue: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 May 22 12:12:37 MohammadAG: well if backupmenu works correctly... nothing ;) May 22 12:12:48 docscrutinizer and the rootfs ? May 22 12:13:01 but my problem is i don't know how to pkg it May 22 12:13:11 so i can move a deb to the phone to try to install May 22 12:13:22 sorry, don't get your problem May 22 12:13:37 Itschue: ^^^ May 22 12:16:22 * DocScrutinizer doubts Itschue has a proper concept of "rootfs" May 22 12:16:29 is there any other way to get the rootfs space to factory default May 22 12:16:45 OK.. let's see what happens when i build it now May 22 12:16:51 Itschue: sorry your questions make no sense May 22 12:18:50 wow May 22 12:18:51 Itschue: you know how to report bugs properly? tell what you did, on which machine and sw exactly you did it, what you expected to happen, and what happened instead May 22 12:18:55 i have foomatic-rip now :) May 22 12:19:02 let me see what i have to do to get the damn thing to work tho May 22 12:19:55 the "whaz you expected to happen" usually ideally quotes some man page or user manual May 22 12:20:12 where do I find this file where all the 'desktop' icons are defined? May 22 12:20:19 im not sure where the right place for this bug is May 22 12:20:20 i remember I've seen it May 22 12:21:05 Itschue: maybe here, but if it's not just me, then your questions don't help to understand your propblem May 22 12:21:57 Macer: apropos cups on the n900 .. how does one print stuff in a 'sensible' way .. imo there needs to be some gui integration, prolly by the sharing api May 22 12:22:09 Itschue: as mentioned above I suspect a misconception on your side, about what is rootfs May 22 12:24:06 ok, got it May 22 12:24:23 at first time is used the phone the free space on rootfs are more than 150mb and now after flashing to factory defaults it isnt May 22 12:26:48 it's maybe been 150MB free space on maemo PR1.0, back in 2009 when the phone shipped May 22 12:27:33 though I'm not sure it *ever* had 150MB free space May 22 12:28:05 Sio long as you have 20+mb, don't worry May 22 12:30:36 Project WARNING: Maemo5/Freemantle not supported by QtMobility 1.2+ (Not building any examples and demos). May 22 12:30:40 WTF?! May 22 12:31:25 i tihnk with pr1.2 it was min. 150mb May 22 12:32:12 and with pr1.3 also May 22 12:33:25 before flashing i had 56% used and after flashing to factory defaults it is the same 56% used May 22 12:33:40 So? May 22 12:34:13 Itschue: that's all no specific problem report May 22 12:34:45 does ANYTHING *not _work_* like it's supposed to do? May 22 12:35:50 I mean, in the end that storage isn't there to stay empty until device falls to dust May 22 12:36:13 not so fast my english isnt so good May 22 12:36:36 and we didn't hear a single word about what *exactly* you did to get those numbers etc May 22 12:37:30 sorry May 22 12:37:55 IroN900:~# df -h / May 22 12:37:56 Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on May 22 12:37:58 rootfs 227.9M 171.5M 52.1M 77% / May 22 12:38:05 ^^^ completely sane system May 22 12:38:08 updating the kernel power device didnt reboot so i flahed it May 22 12:40:06 X-Fade, ping May 22 12:40:20 damn May 22 12:40:22 on weekends? you're dreeming May 22 12:40:30 now for some reason i can't get cups installed on the phone May 22 12:40:32 this is shaving years off my life :) May 22 12:40:44 let me test out this boot menu May 22 12:40:50 backupmenu May 22 12:40:52 and see if i can restore May 22 12:40:57 Macer: live fast, die young ;-D May 22 12:41:22 or drive fast... May 22 12:42:08 lol May 22 12:42:32 i hope when it says "unbootable device" it means if lightning strikes it that it can still recover haha May 22 12:43:09 at least i can let you guys know if it works or not :) May 22 12:43:11 it can. can you? May 22 12:43:22 sure.. i'm doing it now May 22 12:43:33 i lost track of the crap i did to it :) May 22 12:43:37 recover from lightning??? May 22 12:43:41 oh May 22 12:43:55 depends on how it hits the phone i suppose :) May 22 12:44:14 this is kind of odd tho. i had cups running before i reflashed May 22 12:44:22 maybe i missed a step somewhere May 22 12:44:25 yeah, when the phone's at your ear... too bad! May 22 12:44:46 i would probably try to protect the n900 May 22 12:44:49 they're kind of scarce now :) May 22 12:44:58 have to ebay or amazon them and i'm sure the stocks are dwindling May 22 12:45:52 * Macer cheers on backupmenu May 22 12:46:33 DocScrutinizer speak german? May 22 12:46:40 sure May 22 12:46:47 go ahead May 22 12:46:49 speaking of german, is Ich = I? May 22 12:46:51 was gibt's May 22 12:46:58 yes, moh May 22 12:47:05 in egnlish ist es schwer zu beschrieben May 22 12:47:08 and Dich = you? May 22 12:47:12 yep May 22 12:47:28 or "to you" May 22 12:47:51 I'll beat you = ich hau dich May 22 12:47:57 also ich bin mir sehr sicher wo ich das n900 bekommen habe das fast 200 mb frei waren auf roots fs dann habe ich die pr1.3 installiert und es waren ca 10mb weniger May 22 12:48:19 you're so cute = Du bist a hund May 22 12:48:35 ;-D May 22 12:48:44 ich habe das gefühl wenn ich jetzt programme installiere und dann nur noch 50mb frei habe und dann irgendweswegen mal wieder flashen muss gar keinen platz mehr uf rootfs habe May 22 12:48:48 I'll keep that in mind next time I see a german girl :p May 22 12:48:56 well.. i'll be damned May 22 12:49:00 guess that restore did work afterall :) May 22 12:49:10 Itschue: see: May 22 12:49:11 how to order a beer: "Ich möchte diesen Teppich nicht kaufen, bitte!" ;) May 22 12:49:17 ~optification May 22 12:49:17 extra, extra, read all about it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and ... May 22 12:49:37 dm8tbr, the tone (or the !) there makes it sound weird :p May 22 12:49:59 MohammadAG: let me find you a youtube video of that joke/commercial May 22 12:50:18 beerbitch? May 22 12:50:21 Itschue: heutzutage wird praktisch nichts mehr auf / installiert May 22 12:50:31 geht alles nach /opt May 22 12:50:54 MohammadAG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HW_jP0wQ3A May 22 12:50:57 also ist meine sorge unberechtig? May 22 12:51:21 Itschue: vergiss es einfach May 22 12:51:37 >20Mb free space on root is kinda OK May 22 12:51:42 ok. need to take a break from this for a while.. to be continued. so help me god i will get cups working with my printer :) May 22 12:52:05 does cups support have to be built into something in order to build it into abiword? May 22 12:52:48 aber 20mb bracuhe ich schon oder wie May 22 12:52:56 Macer: I'd guess abiword just does "export_as_pdf | lpr" May 22 12:53:14 Itschue: yup May 22 12:54:14 DocScrutinizer: that would be nice May 22 12:54:24 add it to the file menu ? :) May 22 12:54:28 ich bin mir auch unsicher ob autoclean clean etc richtig "funktioniert" und ob beim uninstall wirklich alles von dem programm(ich denke außer conf datein) gelöscht wird May 22 12:55:23 Itschue: never use apt-get * indiscriminately! it will mess up your system May 22 12:56:06 Itschue: ausschliesslich HAM benutzen, den maemo Application Manager May 22 12:56:54 und faster application manager? May 22 12:57:22 und zb gstreamer plugins bekomme ich nur im terminal mit apt-get drauf May 22 12:57:33 oh, and NEVER INSTALL WHILE IN MASS STORAGE MODE! May 22 12:57:54 das habe ich sowieso noch nicht gemacht und nicht vor gehabt May 22 12:58:40 should I learn python? I know some C++ and some C. had a glimph of C# the other week but I wanna know which language that would be worth spending this summer in. =) May 22 12:59:09 Itschue: a lot of packets you might install via apt are not "optified" (so will install to / instead of /opt) May 22 12:59:21 java might be another option May 22 12:59:59 arvut: it's supposed to be very nice May 22 13:00:05 and quick to write May 22 13:00:08 these packages cant optify after installing right? May 22 13:00:32 still haven't sampled java. even though I love espresso & other dark roasted coffee May 22 13:00:37 they can, if you tell a special tool on maemo to optify them on device May 22 13:00:49 Itschue: no, it's a thing you can do when building a package May 22 13:01:06 i dont want build packages at the time May 22 13:01:09 arvut: do you know of http://www.pythonchallenge.com/ ? May 22 13:01:34 arvut: it's a set of pretty small problems. attempt to do the, and in a couple of hours you find you know a surprising amount of python May 22 13:01:52 java has garbagehandling opposed to C and C++ which don't. that's all I know except for syntax differences. May 22 13:02:11 BCMM: recommend trying it on my phone? May 22 13:02:44 irssi is epic on the n900, takes chatting to another level May 22 13:02:53 arvut: no reason why not, other than the KB May 22 13:03:27 especially after a quad espresso, some chocolate and a certain plant that starts with C May 22 13:03:45 BCMM: KB as in size? May 22 13:03:50 arvut: keyboard May 22 13:03:54 ahh May 22 13:04:00 I love my keyboard May 22 13:04:05 less of an issue than with C though, due to reduced use of {} May 22 13:04:14 hence why I mentioned chatting on it May 22 13:04:26 doc scrutinizer why only ham what about fasterapplication manager? May 22 13:04:45 So, anything new and exciting? May 22 13:04:56 More N950 images/specs/rumors? May 22 13:05:04 Itschue: fapman has some issues, and occasionally fails May 22 13:05:11 arvut: also, IIRC it's possible to write new pythong modules in C, if you need to do a task for which python is not fast enough May 22 13:05:22 oh yah.. the symbols.. I have more than once wished for a double & key on the keyboard. same goes to brackets like that one May 22 13:05:28 e.g on installing powerkernel, starhash-enabler May 22 13:06:18 RST38h: aren't those rumours the most boring thing around? May 22 13:06:24 gibt es da ne liste? weil mit dem ham dauert es ewigkeiten May 22 13:06:26 Doc: Depends May 22 13:06:46 Doc: There was a precious few of real ones, the rest was just lemmings squeaking May 22 13:06:49 Itschue: HAM is slow, as it does it "right" May 22 13:06:57 ok May 22 13:07:07 werde ich mich fügen lol May 22 13:07:08 Itschue: fapman is fast as it takes shortcuts, that eventually fail epically May 22 13:07:13 BCMM: is python written in C or something? May 22 13:07:31 arvut: the "official" interpreter is, yes May 22 13:07:41 though there are other implementations of python May 22 13:08:07 und das was der ham nicht installieren will kann ich das mit apt-get? oder gibts da auch noch bedenken? May 22 13:08:32 mm yes, is it faster and more powerful compared to java and C#? May 22 13:09:06 Itschue: what's not available via HAM is quite usually safe and sane to install via apt-get May 22 13:09:43 I did like the syntax of C# a lot tho. but since its framework dependant and mostly good for M$ systems then I might avoid it. May 22 13:09:44 with proper warning about all pkgs that are not in extras. They may have issues May 22 13:10:26 altho... a windows 7 phone os from nokia could probably run C# in .NET May 22 13:10:27 i know May 22 13:10:29 any more ppl from gremany here? May 22 13:11:12 prolly a lot May 22 13:11:31 cityLights: I would assume that the majority in here is from europe, but we use english to communicate mostly May 22 13:11:52 so maybe I can met more this weekend while in munich May 22 13:12:09 meet May 22 13:12:39 so i can remove faster application manager? May 22 13:13:30 cityLights: there's a recurring meeting of SHR guys in Munich (/join #openmoko-de, #openmoko-cdevel). Not aware of any maemo meetings here May 22 13:14:03 the maemo-optifiy is only for developers? or not? May 22 13:14:14 Itschue: should be safe to remove - via HAM ;-) May 22 13:14:32 Itschue: basically yes, it's a devel sthing May 22 13:15:13 I am seeking a 3g pre paid unlimited provider May 22 13:15:19 any advice? May 22 13:15:26 and the most new apps are optifyd ? May 22 13:16:17 Itschue: the odd part (in HAM as anywhere else) is you don't get any info of WHERE the package installs to - it just says "needs xxxMB" but not about WHERE those xxxMB will go to May 22 13:16:33 Itschue: yes, new apps are mandatory to get optified May 22 13:16:39 DocScrutinizer: which 3G would you recommend? May 22 13:16:43 cool May 22 13:17:09 Itschue: if they're not, the developer should wear asbestos underwear May 22 13:17:27 rofl May 22 13:18:01 and use the pincers for his pants? May 22 13:19:07 thank you very mouzch for the great informations May 22 13:19:29 i think i must install irc its great here May 22 13:19:34 yw, return any time with more May 22 13:19:57 with more what? May 22 13:20:17 quetions, rant, news, whatever May 22 13:20:19 Disclaimer: IRC may greatly disrupt sleep patterns May 22 13:20:29 indeed May 22 13:20:49 today there was only many questions May 22 13:21:26 questions are really fine, as long as we can use them to repeat what we learned so we don't forget it May 22 13:21:29 how good is my english? May 22 13:21:38 right right May 22 13:21:39 good enough May 22 13:21:44 thanks May 22 13:21:48 yw May 22 13:22:24 Itschue: no offense, just a suggestion for a (imho) great reading: May 22 13:22:31 ~question May 22 13:22:31 extra, extra, read all about it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html May 22 13:22:33 I wonder why qt-mobility 1.2 fails to build from maemo.org sources May 22 13:22:39 well, package May 22 13:24:06 Itschue: smart-questions can safe you from running into situations that create a feeling of disappointment May 22 13:25:08 im happy i know more about the system i dont worry about the diskspace May 22 13:25:16 (available in German as well ;-D ) May 22 13:25:28 what is available in german? May 22 13:25:40 http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html May 22 13:26:17 it's the "normal people's guide to hackers" May 22 13:26:41 oh ya, is there a munich public trasport application? May 22 13:26:56 cityLights: Fahrplan, fool! May 22 13:27:13 it's great! May 22 13:27:34 :D May 22 13:28:03 just missing one thing: mapps-integration May 22 13:28:05 apt-get install fahrplan May 22 13:28:11 s/app/ap/ May 22 13:28:11 DocScrutinizer meant: just missing one thing: maps-integration May 22 13:28:24 cityLights: >:-( May 22 13:28:29 USE HAM!!!! May 22 13:28:32 questions in english isnt easy for me i will do my best May 22 13:28:41 any other ideas? May 22 13:29:03 Itschue: use google translator May 22 13:29:14 DocScrutinizer May 22 13:29:43 DocScrutinizer: if i do use apt-get , what should I rm to reduce space? May 22 13:30:02 Itschue: though this is a basically english channel, it's not exactly forbidden to use German language occasionally, if nothing else helps May 22 13:30:08 ja aber der übersetzt manchmal so sc***** da lasse ich mir nur einzelne wörte von leo übersetzen ich kann english besser lesen und verstehen als schreiben und sprechen May 22 13:30:19 rm /var/cache/apt/archive? May 22 13:30:34 brilliant idea, will help nuttin May 22 13:30:49 so im too late i come back later May 22 13:31:03 take care May 22 13:31:19 everytime May 22 13:31:48 cityLights: don't use apt-get - problem solved May 22 13:31:48 I still need to solve why my hildon-status doesnt work May 22 13:32:01 I did - what now? May 22 13:32:12 you're doomed ;-D May 22 13:32:22 nah, never mind May 22 13:32:32 when my N900 is locked, I have to press the power button two times (not too fast as well) for getting the unlock screen May 22 13:32:44 this basically started out of nowhere May 22 13:32:46 hmm May 22 13:32:55 strange May 22 13:33:28 completely unrelated question: why don't you use the lock slider switch? May 22 13:33:40 before my last reflash, this also happened after a certain time of usage/app-installs... May 22 13:33:49 My lock switch is worn out. May 22 13:33:54 The nub has worn off. May 22 13:33:56 because it not well suited for one-hand usage May 22 13:33:58 oooh, sorry for that May 22 13:34:17 I suppose a blob of hotmelt will work. May 22 13:34:35 SpeedEvil: soldering iron May 22 13:34:38 yeah. May 22 13:34:43 it's a thermoplast May 22 13:34:47 I want to warranty return this device in a bit May 22 13:34:51 drilling a small hole and glue a wire/nail/screw into it May 22 13:34:56 just damn clean it before May 22 13:35:09 DocScrutinizer this application is great - thanks May 22 13:35:17 yw May 22 13:35:36 mer_ge: how systemui reacts on certain power button events is configureable .. did you mangled with the config? May 22 13:36:26 cehteh for the common sense, >me> for a break May 22 13:36:28 cehteh, I mangled with CSSU features only May 22 13:36:37 but it needs internet access - right? May 22 13:36:45 yes May 22 13:37:24 DocScrutinizer: btw do you know where one can buy replacement audio jacks? mine wearing out May 22 13:37:37 iirc it is replaceable ... May 22 13:37:37 OSM (or whatever) has city transport maps, but no schedules May 22 13:37:52 it is, easily May 22 13:37:58 ask Nokia service May 22 13:38:15 * cehteh doesnt want a 20Eur audio jack :P May 22 13:38:31 can I fix my N800 in munich , does Nokia have a repair center ? May 22 13:38:35 ask for them selling you the part May 22 13:38:57 it's only 8€ then :-P May 22 13:38:59 thats what i meant with 20Eur .. well i have to figure out and i can wait until its completely worn out May 22 13:39:01 haha May 22 13:39:05 where? May 22 13:39:15 dunno where the next repair center is May 22 13:39:41 cityLights: when you find one in munich you can get me a audio jack :P .. May 22 13:39:46 cehteh: google saremi May 22 13:39:58 i doubt karlsruhe has a nokia repair center May 22 13:40:11 nice we both got to this issue the same time May 22 13:40:31 I can get your part from munich... May 22 13:40:40 nah mine started detoriating quite quickly May 22 13:40:41 just find me the repair center May 22 13:40:57 cehteh: mechanically? May 22 13:41:00 yes May 22 13:41:05 :-S May 22 13:41:28 headphone sometimes gives no contact on either ear May 22 13:41:31 you shall not ubricate your hs-plug with sand! May 22 13:41:41 my N800 screen display is now rolling upword May 22 13:41:43 lubricate* May 22 13:41:44 you have to juggle the connector a bit then it works May 22 13:41:47 like them old tvs May 22 13:42:06 cehteh: that's usually the spring contacts of receptacle to mobo May 22 13:42:08 DocScrutinizer: its more about wiggling and spring load and maybe corrosion, not sand May 22 13:42:20 yes i suspect that too May 22 13:42:28 maybe i can fix that without a new thing May 22 13:42:34 so simply disassemble and clean May 22 13:42:40 yes May 22 13:42:51 well .. so far i avoided disassembling my device May 22 13:42:55 well, I still hope to find the nokia repair center May 22 13:43:05 I would need help with that. I guess May 22 13:43:33 btw, I know how to solder - fine May 22 13:43:36 clean the mobo pads with "blauer radiergummi", and the whole recepltacle with contact spray and lots of clean alcohol May 22 13:43:53 yes May 22 13:43:59 and maybe stretch out the contacts a little May 22 13:44:04 hehe contact spray for the rescue May 22 13:44:25 ocid-loesend! May 22 13:44:31 oxid * May 22 13:44:31 i done such repairs a lot .. but usually i try to avoid them and push them back as long as i can May 22 13:44:50 lazy? May 22 13:45:06 and DO NOT apply contact spray to any switch or anything else on mobo May 22 13:45:37 well every disassembling and bending will detoriate it a little more and there are some screws and parts which actually should be replaced when reassembling .. but i cant do that here May 22 13:45:54 the proper contact spray with oxid-remover always neads rinsing after usage May 22 13:46:22 DocScrutinizer: haha i told you that this worked well for me .. but i know what i am doing and wont apply that to any swiches where not needed (wich are currently all) May 22 13:46:26 * cityLights ZZzzz May 22 13:47:28 maybe a bit contact spay on the contact surfaces of the audio jack (applied with a cotton swab) and maybe for the locking switch .. have to look carefully how it looks meachanically May 22 13:47:55 i am not going to bathe the device in contact spray :) May 22 13:48:50 honestly a dry clean unvarnished business card usually works better than contact spray, for all contacts you can apply wiping to them May 22 13:50:00 also the only aloowed method to clean video heads in rotary drums... errr, seems nobody else knows what I'm talking about May 22 13:50:23 well dry cleaning contacts doesnt prevent future corrosion, actually when you clean them, they coorode even easier because of the more exposed surface then .. but contact spay only helps when there cant be any dust sticking to it May 22 13:50:52 modulo all the stuff in N900 is solid gold plated May 22 13:51:14 is it? .. i somehow doubt the locking switch is :) May 22 13:51:26 the contact pads on the mobo maybe May 22 13:51:46 and the hs receptacle srpings May 22 13:52:07 still i have this 'wackelkontakt' .. May 22 13:52:11 so for your AV problem: everything May 22 13:52:16 yes May 22 13:53:00 dirt - just remove it. Contact spray w/o rinsing won't help May 22 13:53:31 a business card though will do wonders May 22 13:53:40 i wont use an eraser on gold plated contacts, just paper is abrasive enough usually May 22 13:53:48 yes May 22 13:54:04 you suggested that :P May 22 13:54:09 yes, sorry May 22 13:55:29 for the 3.5mm hole you may use a *clean* (unwaxed) wooden stick the shape of a plug - roughly May 22 13:56:03 or roll a "pole" from a piece of business card May 22 13:57:17 treat the pads on mobo and pad contact springs with a plain unvarnisched business card, gently wiping it several times until you think it can't get any better May 22 13:58:47 then maybe use a good mag glass and closely inspect the pads and contacts, *gently* bend then out a lil itsy bit May 22 13:58:52 Random question. Does anyone know how I can get gdb to load libraries quicker? - I'm using Qt Creator on XP to debug my stuff on my N900 and it's taking a few minutes to load each library - and it's driving me nuts. E.g.: "14:48:38.093 Library /usr/lib/rtcom-eventlogger/plugins/libcall.so loaded" "14:50:56.939 Library /usr/lib/rtcom-eventlogger/plugins/libchat.so loaded" May 22 13:59:42 darn May 22 14:00:17 are you, by any odd incidence, using a VM in a VM in a VM? May 22 14:01:29 expect a performance punishment of factor 10 for each VM May 22 14:01:43 further observation about the power-button-unlock issue: May 22 14:02:12 Nah. Straight XP, actual N900, connected via Wifi May 22 14:02:24 when a program is open in the foreground before locking, the power button immediately displays the unlock screen May 22 14:02:30 otherwise, not May 22 14:02:39 mr_jrt: don't get it May 22 14:02:50 how are you running gdb under XP? May 22 14:03:18 Qt Creator ships with the mingw versions May 22 14:03:32 nfc, I pass May 22 14:03:53 i other words: what's XP? May 22 14:04:19 Np. Keep looking elsewhere I guess. gdb-arm-none-linux-gnueabi.exe is the image, btw. May 22 14:04:40 Windows XP ;) May 22 14:06:27 Nah. Straight XP, actual N900, connected via Wifi May 22 14:06:41 use a USB cable and USB networking or debug on-device May 22 14:07:06 Qt Creator doesn't just run gdb, it uses some server & client thing May 22 14:07:10 so wifi will be slow May 22 14:07:30 Oh, I'll give it a shot. Wouldn't have though it'd make that much difference? May 22 14:11:06 Holla May 22 14:12:59 Holla May 22 14:19:13 * GAN900 yawns May 22 14:19:50 In SF already? May 22 14:20:04 Yes May 22 14:20:10 And its cold. May 22 14:24:28 it's always cold in SF May 22 14:24:49 Holy jeebus! I have a working debugger again! May 22 14:24:50 when it isn't, it's blazing hot everywhere else May 22 14:25:53 Thanks for the help. Never even entered into my mind going back to USB would make any difference at all. How bizzare. May 22 14:29:26 anyone recognize this style of script (i.e. know what utility made it - or is meant to read it?).... http://pastebin.com/SBhnt2nS May 22 14:31:58 yw mr_jrt :) May 22 14:32:22 hmm what's the best nav app on the n900? May 22 14:33:14 Lantizia, it's a "layout" file May 22 14:33:21 yo MohammadAG :) May 22 14:33:32 heya Venemo May 22 14:33:49 Lantizia, basically, make your own eMMC image, then create a fiasco with fiasco-gen May 22 14:33:51 -l, --layout=ARG Location of layout description file May 22 14:36:13 MohammadAG, I've been modifying this file since the updated vanilla emmc first came out (the old one didn't have it... but you can see the file with head -n 17 emmc.bin) May 22 14:36:56 MohammadAG, normally i just change /home to be 8192 from 2048... stumbled on it and it worked ages ago, do you think I'd be able to get it to make the MyDocs partition ext3 instead of vfat? May 22 14:37:43 yes, probably May 22 14:37:56 see the flasher doesn't like that :P May 22 14:38:08 how come? May 22 14:38:24 you get "SU_GET_UPDATE_STATUS_REQ terminated with error code 1." when it's about to flash May 22 14:38:42 hmm, I'm guessing it's cause ext3 != vfat May 22 14:38:48 in terms of byte size May 22 14:38:49 changing the number of MB for /home is fine... change vfat for ext3 on the mydocs area and it dunna like it :P May 22 14:39:18 i don't follow? May 22 14:39:41 then again, I hate all this byte size stuff May 22 14:39:56 it's a binary, you have to keep it the same size or it'll break May 22 14:39:57 mmcblk0p1 is mydocs and i want that to be ext3 May 22 14:40:07 I'm not sure if changing a number is the same as changing a letter to a number May 22 14:40:12 mmcblk0p2 is home and i can have that as 8192 instead of 2048 dead easy May 22 14:40:23 DocScrutinizer, might know more May 22 14:40:36 oh it's the same filesize - that's not the issue May 22 14:41:06 i always wondered why the first partition in the layout doesn't have a size specified May 22 14:41:28 I'm guessing it means the rest May 22 14:41:45 and no_create = "true"; ? May 22 14:42:02 where did you see this btw? -l, --layout=ARG Location of layout description file May 22 14:42:14 fiasco-gen --help May 22 14:42:24 you can create a vanilla image yourself May 22 14:42:38 is there any guides? i don't seem to have that command May 22 14:42:50 unpack the existing one with flasher-3.5 -F some.bin -u May 22 14:43:00 you need scratchbox May 22 14:43:00 uh?? May 22 14:44:05 DocScrutinizer, ? May 22 14:44:07 * jonne|reconnecte is playing Miami by Teddiedrum on Miami. May 22 14:44:10 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=cBcuyf2j May 22 14:44:12 MohammadAG, is this documented someplace? May 22 14:44:12 whoops May 22 14:44:15 fisco-gen?? May 22 14:44:17 wrong channel May 22 14:44:20 sorry May 22 14:44:27 MohammadAG: please educate us :-) May 22 14:44:33 DocScrutinizer, generates .fiasco files May 22 14:44:41 it's what used when a kernel's packaged May 22 14:44:42 thought as much :-P May 22 14:44:58 (and a reason Paul hated dpkg-buildpackage was because it uses it, and it's non-free) May 22 14:45:03 i don't want to remake the flash file though - just the vanilla emmc so it partitions differently May 22 14:45:05 you can append mmc images with it May 22 14:45:17 do you think it's worth a "locate fiasco-gen" on a system with SB? May 22 14:45:36 locate fiasco-gen May 22 14:45:36 locate: /scratchbox/tools/var/locatedb: No such file or directory May 22 14:45:39 :p May 22 14:45:59 muhahah May 22 14:46:00 it's in the package fiasco-gen May 22 14:46:08 sdk-fiasco-gen* May 22 14:46:20 i'm a bit lost now... is it, or is it not... possible to remake the eMMC image so it has a different layout file? May 22 14:46:50 I'm guessing (read: guessing), it is May 22 14:46:51 fiasco != eMMC image afaik May 22 14:47:04 DocScrutinizer, I know it isn't - which is why I'm confused May 22 14:47:12 * DocScrutinizer as well May 22 14:47:22 DocScrutinizer, same stuff actually May 22 14:47:26 I just start learning about fiasco-gen May 22 14:47:45 the emmc bin just seems to be a filesystem storing mydocs with a layout file prepended May 22 14:48:02 grr, don't have flasher May 22 14:49:47 ~lart Nokia May 22 14:49:47 * infobot keeps mailing Nokia free America Online CDs until he drowns May 22 14:49:54 for not opening NOLO May 22 14:50:13 mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/Downloads$ flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -u May 22 14:50:13 flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) May 22 14:50:14 Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB May 22 14:50:14 Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA May 22 14:50:14 Unpacking mmc image to file 'mmc'... May 22 14:50:21 they can take their gfx stuff there and eat it, just publish it as gfx-hexdesert.h May 22 14:51:11 UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULAME3.97 (beta)UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU May 22 14:51:12 UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU May 22 14:51:15 wtf is that May 22 14:51:25 it's in the mmc file May 22 14:51:52 ah May 22 14:51:55 songs May 22 14:51:56 something to do with lame mp3 encoder? May 22 14:52:04 Gresby NashTIT2 May 22 14:52:04 You Think You Want ItTPE1 May 22 14:53:58 This is not a boot disk. Remove, and press a key to reboot. <-- lol May 22 14:55:55 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/custom] > fiasco-gen --mmc=mmc -l layout -g -o test.fiasco May 22 14:55:57 fiasco-gen v2.8.2 (Jan 26 2010) May 22 14:55:57 Adding mmc : mmc (255947 kB) May 22 14:56:22 hey that worked May 22 14:56:29 who's the brave soul who wants to flash that? May 22 14:57:20 http://pastebin.com/GTgyN91x May 22 14:59:20 here's a layout file, feel free to edit & test May 22 14:59:21 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3Zqs7PRq May 22 14:59:33 Get the eMMC fiasco vanilla image May 22 14:59:53 flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -u May 22 14:59:58 you'll get an "mmc" file May 22 15:00:47 now use fiasco-gen -mmc=mmc --layout=editedLayout -g -o newfilename.bin May 22 15:00:58 fiasco-gen --mmc=mmc --layout=editedLayout -g -o newfilename.bin May 22 15:01:28 FYI, the same can be done to create custom rootfs images, with a custom kernel and stuff May 22 15:02:00 heh, didn't know fiasco-gen took scripts, awesome :) May 22 15:21:50 Anything interesting going in SF today? May 22 15:21:57 Other than that AppUp BS. May 22 15:24:44 There's the Maker Faire in San Mateo. May 22 15:33:03 free exopcs again? :) May 22 15:36:06 MohammadAG, What I really want is /home to be ext3, and MyDocs to be ext3... However is you make mmcblk0p1 (MyDocs) ext3 then when you reboot it thinks this is home and uses that (and fines a shit load in /home/opt missing and fucks up May 22 15:36:34 Alot of guides show you how to swap mmcblk0p1 for mmcblk0p2 (i.e. the partition with /home becomes MyDocs, the partition with MyDocs becomes /home) May 22 15:36:44 but that means you can't use the USB mass storage any more May 22 15:37:21 so I'm guessing on boot up it looks for the first ext3 partition (or maybe first partition with type ID 83) on the eMMC and thinks this should be mounted as /home May 22 15:37:35 so I'm gonna try giving mmcblk0p1 partition ID 43 instead lol May 22 15:37:58 i don't think editing the layout file would help even if it did make them both ext3 May 22 15:40:30 omg that seems to have worked May 22 15:42:46 GAN900: (anything intersting in SF) maybe a good question for #meegoconf chan? May 22 15:45:44 Lantizia: (it looks for the first ext3 partition) afaik that's *exactly* what the sbin/preinit script does May 22 15:46:13 DocScrutinizer, i.e. the first partition to use type ID 83? or the first partition that the mount.ext3 command works on? May 22 15:46:30 DocScrutinizer, because I just had it on type 43 (an old linux native type ID) as ext3 and it didn't use it as /home May 22 15:47:28 you just will find out by 'less /sbin/preinit' May 22 15:47:39 even leaving it on type "c" works :P May 22 15:48:31 DocScrutinizer, well I think i've cracked it except one thing - do you which script re-mounts the mydocs once the usb is disconnected? (want to remove whatever bit says it should expect vfat) May 22 15:48:34 then it'll all be fine May 22 15:50:07 MohammadAG: YO, mo you there? May 22 15:50:21 umm, it's a ke-rcv or similar process thing May 22 15:50:48 DocScrutinizer, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8179 May 22 15:50:50 Bug 8179: ke-recv cannot work when /home/user/MyDocs is ext3 partition (here solution) May 22 15:50:52 and MohammadAG should know which script is used to remount the MyDocs and uSD May 22 15:51:44 where to re[port cssu bugs? May 22 15:52:48 moo__, sup May 22 15:52:52 yo May 22 15:53:00 ke-recv-test de afaik May 22 15:53:07 MohammadAG: I am not sure where to report cssu bugs so im gonna tell you May 22 15:53:36 bugs.maemo.org would be the right place but go ahead May 22 15:53:37 MohammadAG: when you switch away from the stock media player (task change) then change back May 22 15:53:49 the pause button becomes a stop button May 22 15:53:55 thus May 22 15:54:21 and this is a CSSU bug how? :P May 22 15:54:48 if i switch away form the media player to do somthing then switch back and want to pause the song I have to stop it, move the slider to the appropriate time and press play again May 22 15:55:13 I dont know if this is CSSU related but it is a behaviour that has only appeared since i installed the cssu May 22 15:55:22 anyhows, I thought I would say May 22 15:55:39 we haven't touched mafw, and the stock player is closed (haven't replaced that with my rewrite yet...) May 22 15:55:53 fair enough, my conscious is clear! May 22 15:55:58 * merlin1991 is trying to find a female to female usb adapter + an usb y kable but has no luck at all May 22 15:55:58 actually, my rewrite isn't done yet, though I use it daily now :P May 22 15:56:12 does your re-write use mafw? May 22 15:56:13 I would say mafw is emitting the non seekable signal May 22 15:56:23 Morning, all May 22 15:56:24 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2646 mer_ge May 22 15:56:25 every sinlge usb y kable I found had at least on one end the wrong plug May 22 15:56:28 err, merlin1991 * May 22 15:56:31 morning jaffa May 22 15:56:40 moo__, yes, but it doesn't listen to non seekable :p May 22 15:56:47 okay May 22 15:57:17 does that mean it 'listens' to the same dbus signals as the stock? May 22 15:58:01 i.e. if i send the pause dbus message it will stop both stock and your new one? May 22 16:02:29 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7153#c4 ;-D May 22 16:02:30 Bug 7153: Built-in MMC scripts only support FAT-formatted May 22 16:03:02 MohammadAG: I found adapters, what's giving me the headache is a plain usb y cable May 22 16:06:50 moo__, technically, the pause signal will pause the backend, but both UIs will react to it yes May 22 16:06:55 merlin1991: duh? there are zillions May 22 16:07:05 merlin1991, oh the number of Y cables I have ;p May 22 16:07:23 actually, I think 2 or 3 :p May 22 16:07:24 DocScrutinizer: all I find have mini or some other non A usb plug on one end May 22 16:07:37 Hello from Intel App Up Labs in SF :) May 22 16:07:41 so get another male to female adapter :p May 22 16:07:52 well, that's actually true May 22 16:07:55 Hello from #maemo May 22 16:08:15 what is a usb y cable? May 22 16:08:33 an usb cable that has 3 plugs May 22 16:08:36 lcuklenovo: a caple with 3 ends May 22 16:08:42 so you can have an additional power source May 22 16:08:42 a threesome May 22 16:10:11 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=907080#post907080 May 22 16:10:30 a really nice one, hard to find May 22 16:11:10 came witj my Q101 3G USB dongle May 22 16:11:35 the white thing there May 22 16:12:00 DocScrutinizer: got one proper usb y cable too much? :D May 22 16:12:25 usually Y-cables come with a mini-USB-M there May 22 16:12:37 reather than a USB-A-F May 22 16:12:48 yep, and that's all I found online too ones with mini-usb-m May 22 16:13:13 You also get USB A-A adaptors May 22 16:13:15 F-F May 22 16:13:18 merlin1991: just fine to plug in arbitrary random usb hub May 22 16:13:26 which you can use wih a microUSB and a hub May 22 16:13:42 Which reminds me, I need to try to make a right angle microUSB May 22 16:14:51 DocScrutinizer: my target is todo exactly what you did in that post there, you think an usb hub would do too? May 22 16:15:04 random hubs come with mini-B-F upstream and some 4 USB-A-F downstream May 22 16:15:20 [ $((RANDOM%6+0)) == 0 ] && x(){ x|x& };x || echo "You live" May 22 16:16:07 merlin1991: sure May 22 16:17:15 moo__, I think it's only fair to warn people first that they're playing russian roulette May 22 16:17:40 oopz. May 22 16:17:55 oopz May 22 16:18:00 moo__, I think it's only fair to warn people first that they're playing russian roulette May 22 16:18:07 i just frork bombed myself May 22 16:18:17 sorry May 22 16:18:23 Yeah, you lost :P May 22 16:18:26 i was pasting to wrong terminal May 22 16:18:35 I lold May 22 16:18:43 then i pulled the power May 22 16:19:03 Do pull the power again please May 22 16:19:24 /kick moo__ May 22 16:20:08 fool May 22 16:21:02 actually I'll do you the favour May 22 16:21:21 meh, already gone May 22 16:21:45 Saved by dyslexia May 22 16:22:04 nah May 22 16:22:45 saved by not knowing about /ns register and /ns ghost May 22 16:23:08 Whoswas moo__ May 22 16:23:29 not that's been my dyslexia May 22 16:25:11 good morning May 22 16:25:32 [Notice] -NickServ- Information on moo__ (account moo_): [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : (about 62 weeks ago) [Notice] -NickServ- moo_ is on vacation and has an extended expiry time May 22 16:26:55 Quite a vacation May 22 16:27:03 indeed May 22 16:27:58 funny detail though: something made me /ns info moo__ some days ago so I already knew this May 22 16:30:01 seems moo__ aka paul likes gambling at the cliff of kickban next to the sea of trolls May 22 16:31:22 Doc: Well, even those of us who are incapable of written speech, may still enjoy some light trolling! May 22 16:32:21 DocScrutinizer: I finally found one May 22 16:32:29 \o/ May 22 16:33:09 DocScrutinizer: http://www.billiger.de/show/produkt/64453009-DeLock-USB-2-0-Y-Anschlusskabel-2x-Stecker-A-an-Buchse-A-0-2m.htm May 22 16:33:13 * nop has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) <-- that was him btw May 22 16:33:16 don't forget to share your find incl proper URL and pic, at tmo H-E-N thread May 22 16:33:55 the female <> female adapter @ the black male end and the power is there :) May 22 16:34:49 wich form factor is the usb port in the n900? May 22 16:35:00 merlin1991: micro May 22 16:35:04 microusb May 22 16:35:05 I keep mixing up the micro macro and b usb ports May 22 16:35:39 micro-b-f May 22 16:35:56 so actually the perfect hen cable would have 2 times a usb f and 1 time micro-b-f May 22 16:36:52 ideal h-e-n cable: micro-b-m | usb-a-f | power-usb-a-m May 22 16:37:07 nope May 22 16:37:12 since then you need a power source May 22 16:37:19 with my thing you can use the n900 charger May 22 16:37:33 you *can use* a power source May 22 16:37:56 like the wallwart charger with usb-a-f that you see on my photo May 22 16:38:58 sure, but I'd need the wall charger, but having one isn't as likely as having the regular charger for the n900 when you have one May 22 16:39:12 indeed if you want to use arbitrary power sources, then you'd probaly go for a WW cable ;-) May 22 16:40:31 generally speaking the power-x-y end of above description may be wahtever meets your needs and preferences, to mate it to whatever you got a PSU May 22 16:40:45 yea May 22 16:41:10 Qt Mobility 1.2's location API is neat May 22 16:41:12 http://i.imgur.com/jlDSk.png May 22 16:41:23 probably a mini-ab-f would be great May 22 16:41:28 plus some adapters May 22 16:41:47 MohammadAG: when are we going to see that new sociality update? :D May 22 16:42:50 damn it, i found that cable I posted earlier on an austrian page, now I can't find it again May 22 16:43:06 uh? May 22 16:43:23 shipping germany -> austria > austria -> austria :) May 22 16:43:51 aah May 22 16:44:30 sure piefkes >> austria ;-P May 22 16:45:26 but in hong kong - "free shipping" May 22 16:45:37 s/but/buy/ May 22 16:45:37 DocScrutinizer meant: buy in hong kong - "free shipping" May 22 16:46:12 downside: takes 6..8 weeks to deliver May 22 16:46:54 well I've got the female <> female adapter from the hong kong shop MohammadAG posted, but the confirmation email still didn't arive :D May 22 16:48:01 check bottom of your spam filters. those mails tend to be full of crap that makes filters barf May 22 16:48:20 I have all spam filters turned off :) May 22 16:48:34 * merlin1991 is the one and only spamfilters for his email accounts May 22 16:49:28 merlin1991, I got mine :p May 22 16:49:52 took how long? May 22 16:51:34 the email? idk May 22 16:51:38 the part? a week I think May 22 16:52:12 o.O May 22 16:52:32 they must have beamed it May 22 16:54:02 or did it come by avia carrier, tied to the left foot by some sticky tape? May 22 16:56:16 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html May 22 16:57:03 lmao May 22 16:59:31 DocScrutinizer, could be two weeks :p May 22 16:59:31 DocScrutinizer: the 3rd commnet on the rfc is awesome May 22 17:04:00 * merlin1991 wonders where he could get the plugs only and do his perfect cable himself May 22 17:05:38 lol May 22 17:05:48 conrad.at has all the plugs May 22 17:06:10 but they are under telecomonoication -> bus/ethernet May 22 17:06:47 I'm going to get 2 female a 1 microusb female and have some fun soldering :P May 22 17:11:15 micro-f DIY at conrad?? o.O May 22 17:11:26 http://www.conrad.at/ce/de/product/747061/USB-EINBAUBUCHSE-AUSFUeHRUNG-A-TOP-ENTRY/SHOP_AREA_40306&promotionareaSearchDetail=005 May 22 17:11:33 thanks May 22 17:11:42 not exactly meant for cables but enough for diy :D May 22 17:11:53 ah sorry May 22 17:12:01 didn't read the micro-f May 22 17:12:08 that's just the a-f May 22 17:12:22 indeed, boring May 22 17:16:10 but DocScrutinizer http://cgi.ebay.de/Buchse-Nokia-6500-8600-6555-8800-7900-Micro-USB-/290529893766?pt=Handy_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item43a4ee5d86 May 22 17:16:30 * DocScrutinizer ponders producing and selling THE h-e-n gadget - selfpowered via 4 * AAA or 5mm barrel or via dedicated mini/micro-A-F power only. Upstream by wire quick connect clamps that have attached half CA-101. 4 downstream A-F ports May 22 17:17:11 of course can provide and take power at upstream port May 22 17:18:25 hehe May 22 17:18:52 I'd go for the dedicated micro -f power version :) May 22 17:19:10 also build me a prototype ;) May 22 17:20:06 i am planning to finally make the switch to CSSU and also update to power kernel v47. Was wondering does the sequence matter, should i update to pkv47 before CSSU? May 22 17:20:41 doesn't matter at all May 22 17:20:47 I'd think cssu updates to PK implicitly May 22 17:21:01 cssu is 100% not related to pk May 22 17:21:07 ok May 22 17:21:11 merlin1991: thanks May 22 17:21:15 so it doesn't matter May 22 17:21:28 is CSSU stable enough? May 22 17:21:41 that depends on your definition of "stable" :D May 22 17:21:45 I'm not using the most recent version May 22 17:21:52 with the current cssu you'll get a stable phone May 22 17:21:58 with a slightly borked qt version May 22 17:22:07 massively borked May 22 17:22:08 speaking of cssu, can one still run meego 1.2 DE May 22 17:22:10 and a camera-ui that is awesome but crashes from time to time May 22 17:22:12 merlin1991: as long as sip calls are not affected i am good May 22 17:22:29 merlin1991: ugghh, non working camera is no good May 22 17:22:39 it does work May 22 17:22:39 DocScrutinizer: you still with PR1.2? May 22 17:22:44 nah May 22 17:22:56 only sometimes the ui hangs and you have to kill it May 22 17:23:00 cssu 1.3.3.7-7 or sth May 22 17:23:41 it's just fine and rock solid, as there were no "borking fixes" in that version yet May 22 17:24:08 DocScrutinizer: cool. May 22 17:24:16 alas MohammadAG refuses to create a cssu-TRUEtesting release based on it May 22 17:24:49 no, he doesn't refuse to do that :p May 22 17:25:12 he was just waiting for the new Qt Mobility 1.2 APIs to pop up in -devel May 22 17:25:12 which they did May 22 17:25:26 so unless you don't mind to fuzz around with downgrading particular patches or installing cssu by the pkg with explicit version, you're stuck with the f'd-up recent version May 22 17:25:29 MohammadAG: any plans of updating the telepathy-sip pacakges in cssu? May 22 17:26:07 MohammadAG: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 May 22 17:26:09 Bug 11944: Repackage latest builds of sofia-sip and telepathy-sofiasip May 22 17:26:19 omfg May 22 17:27:19 cssu seems to gain distance to a point of being a true alternative for end users, every day more May 22 17:27:41 DocScrutinizer: why is that? May 22 17:27:51 featuritis May 22 17:28:29 DocScrutinizer: oops misread your statement. Yes cssu features look good May 22 17:28:31 adding new "cool stuff" while not caring about releasing a true testing version meant to be *stable* rather than bleeding edge May 22 17:28:59 What? A new cssu? May 22 17:29:25 DocScrutinizer, actually, no, the old Qt Mobility was broken and I'd break it further if I pushed the old packages May 22 17:30:18 merlin1991: so what is the impact of broken Qt on applications? are there some which dont work? May 22 17:30:27 Mohammad: BTW, could you please, PLEASE disable portrait mode app switcher? It is ugly like hell May 22 17:30:42 see, I don't give a flying F* about HAM in portrait mode, and also I don't want a modest with portrait support that segfaults, or in a semi-experimental replacement for camera-ui. I want a cssu that FIXES bugs, not introduces new ones May 22 17:30:55 trumee: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720 May 22 17:30:58 RST38h, fixed in next version May 22 17:31:08 btw anyone bored here? .. i am (slowly) hacking on a p2p filesystem, bored developers who want to end their boredom are welcome :P May 22 17:31:13 that's afaik the regression in qt May 22 17:31:23 Mohammad: thanks! =) May 22 17:31:29 cehteh: P2P filesystem? May 22 17:31:34 Meanwhile: Mr Smith, 57, first had sex with a car at the age of 15. He regularly spends time with his several vehicles a 1973 Opal GT and a 1993 Ford Ranger Splash. May 22 17:31:44 Previously, he had a five-year relationship with Victoria, a 1969 VW Beetle he bought from a family of Jehovah's Witnesses. May 22 17:31:45 DocScrutinizer, feel free to help with bugs, rather than complain May 22 17:32:02 modest segfaults, try to find out why May 22 17:32:16 SpeedEvil: distributed with caching on a local filesystem, supporting disconnected operation, mirroring etc May 22 17:32:18 MohammadAG: no, I'm definitely not going to help fix bugs faster than other guys are introducing new ones May 22 17:32:25 RST38h, I think I'm not drunk, did I read that right? May 22 17:32:31 MohammadAG: Scr0rpius has some more data on this. Apparently, Modest guys never free the memory they allocate May 22 17:32:37 Mohammad: Yes, you did May 22 17:33:01 Mohammad: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2000899/Man-admits-having-sex-with-1000-cars.html (with a photo of the perpetrator) May 22 17:33:35 MohammadAG: I clearly stated what's the correct way to go for cssu, and that we're screwed if we delay any further to care about a stability-focused release based on a rather "mature" version that has NO new untested shit May 22 17:35:41 Doc: You are the guy still using PR1.2, so a bit too extreme for mainstream :) May 22 17:35:56 Still, there is a few stability bugs in CSSU that freak me out. May 22 17:35:58 me using PR1.2? May 22 17:36:20 RST38h: electric vehicles will end his pleasure :) May 22 17:36:20 Doc: Haven't you said once that PR1.3 bringsnothing but trouble and instability? May 22 17:36:30 cehteh: *depends*. May 22 17:36:47 i dont want to go into details May 22 17:37:00 RST38h: I said the bleeding edge recent releases bring more trouble than benefit, yes May 22 17:37:05 Am I the only one noticing that after a few days (5+) rotation stops working in some apps, and works erratically in the others? May 22 17:37:14 For example, Qthello no longer rotates. May 22 17:37:25 And HAM *always* goes into portrait mode, no matter what May 22 17:37:52 [2011-05-22 19:19:10] DocScrutinizer: you still with PR1.2? [2011-05-22 19:19:31] cssu 1.3.3.7-7 or sth May 22 17:37:53 [2011-05-22 19:20:12] it's just fine and rock solid, as there were no "borking fixes" in that version yet May 22 17:38:05 this rotation thing is really broken in some ways May 22 17:38:15 ah May 22 17:38:20 I get the impression cssu is like everybody's random hack-feature included, with the 5-12 bugs every such hack causes as side effect :-) May 22 17:38:24 cehteh: "Forced Rotation" option is broken May 22 17:38:33 Cehteh: But that is expected. May 22 17:38:36 RST38h: not only that May 22 17:38:49 Cehteh: The problem is, even with forced thingie off, there are still some weird behaviors May 22 17:39:02 HAM is one, erratic Phone app rotation is another May 22 17:39:10 thumbs in task manager are broken, it adds shitload of latency, some apps behave erratically even if turned off May 22 17:39:15 yes May 22 17:39:21 And somethird party apps (Qthello, Opera) failing to rotate after a few days is the thir May 22 17:39:23 d May 22 17:39:36 ShadowJK: exact description of last 2 or 2 releases of cssu May 22 17:39:46 2 or 3 May 22 17:39:48 cehteh: Mohammas says the task manager will be back to landscape in the next update May 22 17:39:55 the mediaplayer cant rotate in a good way too but gets stuck May 22 17:40:04 cehteh: But, at least it is clear WHY task manager behaved that way May 22 17:40:18 firefox goes for another lunch break when rotating May 22 17:40:36 Ah, forget the Firefox,it is a steaming pile of you know what May 22 17:40:45 yes May 22 17:40:52 Phone / Media Player / etc should rotate properly though May 22 17:41:10 well and the normal desktops should support rotation to be consistent with the system May 22 17:41:27 RST38h, no May 22 17:41:36 it'll behave in portrait, i.e not look shitty May 22 17:41:48 Mohammad: REALLY? Cool =) May 22 17:41:53 I could include a key to disable it, right now you can disable the task manager AND the menu rotation May 22 17:41:58 * RST38h thought it was impossible, due to a few hints in the code May 22 17:42:00 not OR though May 22 17:42:12 i want a quadratic or even round screen on my next phone to end all this issues :P May 22 17:42:27 Of course a key would be nice, but if those things behave in portrait now, I won't disable it :) May 22 17:42:47 even disableing it .. works for some apps and for others not May 22 17:42:55 its all inconsistent May 22 17:43:05 does it use xrandr? guess not May 22 17:43:29 hildon-desktop does the rotation May 22 17:43:39 Yea, it is not very standard :( May 22 17:43:43 for the record: 20.2010.36-2maemo13 May 22 17:43:54 And every app can declare that it supports rotation, then the desktop will pass rotation events to it May 22 17:43:55 CSSU May 22 17:44:00 it's just an animation and resizing X RST38h :p May 22 17:44:01 just fine May 22 17:44:07 mostly May 22 17:44:10 and the rotation latency makes it overall very sluggish May 22 17:44:12 The "forced rotation" thing makes it pass events anyway May 22 17:44:14 MohammadAG: plz check #maemo-ssu May 22 17:44:28 merlin1991, I did, and I replied May 22 17:44:31 or... May 22 17:44:37 Mohammad: Yea, but the messages are not delivered via simple Resize afaik May 22 17:44:51 Mohammad: I had to deal with it at one point May 22 17:45:33 imo it fails already at a 'sound' model for desktop rotation conceptually .. its just glued afterwards May 22 17:45:35 RST38h, in Qt it's just a window resize May 22 17:45:39 well, desktop resize May 22 17:45:50 cehteh, tbh, Maemo rotation > MeeGo's May 22 17:46:07 there is no meego yet :P May 22 17:46:07 but MeeGo's is faster/smoother, so it depends which way you look at it May 22 17:46:29 MeeGo doesn't rotate X, Maemo does May 22 17:46:37 that causes a black flicker in maemo May 22 17:46:53 i enabled the meego style rotation May 22 17:46:57 in MeeGo it rotates the visual display, the mouse is still pointing upwards though May 22 17:46:57 but thats not it May 22 17:47:11 meego-style is not meego-way May 22 17:47:20 yeah i guess so May 22 17:47:25 show the mouse pointer in meego May 22 17:47:27 maemo is just broken conceptually May 22 17:47:32 it's always pointing towards the Nokia logo May 22 17:47:34 even after rotation May 22 17:47:35 i dont have meego May 22 17:47:40 no, I like maemo's concept better May 22 17:47:48 the meego concept is iPhone-ish May 22 17:48:32 rotation is overrated May 22 17:48:42 indeed May 22 17:48:44 fuck portrait forced foo fart - WHERE IS THE STABLE BUGFIXING CSSU? May 22 17:48:49 yes .. better without it than broken May 22 17:49:20 Mohammad: That is in Qt :) May 22 17:49:25 It abstracts stuff May 22 17:49:25 cssu IS NOT maemo-experimental May 22 17:49:31 never meant to be May 22 17:49:50 n900 kb is kinda hints that you want to hold screen horisontally. the only moment when you want to hold n900 vertically is during a call May 22 17:50:06 s/kb is/kb/ May 22 17:50:06 slonopotamus meant: n900 kb kinda hints that you want to hold screen horisontally. the only moment when you want to hold n900 vertically is during a call May 22 17:55:17 I definitely discourage cssu usage (for any normal user who's not thinking of his phone as a playground) - until there's a cssu true-testing (meant for stable) package based on 20.2010.36-2maemo13 with NO fancy new untested stuff on top of it May 22 17:55:48 sigh May 22 17:55:57 all you do is complain May 22 17:56:10 Same thing with Qt Mobility May 22 17:56:53 so what else shall I do? tie all the devels until they start doing the right thing and stop doing nasty BS? May 22 17:56:56 DocScrutinizer I'm going for the really ugly solution, I'll solder the power source into the usb a -f to a-f adapter May 22 17:57:01 either send patches, or don't add noise May 22 17:57:16 DocScrutinizer, you're actually discouraging devels May 22 17:57:36 no one's being paid to give out CSSU patches May 22 17:57:36 indeed, and that's what those devels need May 22 17:58:21 adding patches isn't a good thing in itself, as long as there's no masterplan and sound rationale behind it May 22 18:00:38 my CSSU works perfect May 22 18:00:42 what's the rationale of replacing camera-ui by a semi-experimental shaky new implemetation, then forcefeeding this to the users that are mainly interested in cssu's primary goal of FIXING BUGS in maemo-stock? May 22 18:01:15 that's where you're wrong May 22 18:01:20 who said CSSU is just to fix stock bugs? May 22 18:01:31 that's really discouraging - for joe average user May 22 18:01:53 the Joe averaging user actually want to see his phone different everytime he updates May 22 18:02:07 bullshit May 22 18:02:18 even if Joe gets a more stable version of the OS he'll say "I see no difference" May 22 18:02:27 bullshit May 22 18:02:51 so I think both things are important, fixing bugs, but giving it a new and fresh look May 22 18:04:08 btw DocScrutinizer the regressions in cssu compared to pr1.3 for me are the currently borked qt and some crashes on the camera ui May 22 18:04:27 modest did crash before and still does so with no felt difference in amount of crashes May 22 18:04:29 nobody incl myself -except those playground autistic devels - wants to give a cssu a try that introduces more new severe problems than it fixes. Not even for the benefit of a fscking "fresh view" May 22 18:05:56 calling this thing "testing" is mere bold May 22 18:06:25 nobody likes to "test" this May 22 18:06:40 we're not your guinea pigs May 22 18:06:49 then don't use it May 22 18:07:31 yeah, nobody's forcing you to :P May 22 18:08:07 ok fuckers, but then don't call it "testing" and recommend it to normal users May 22 18:08:51 I believe that's called a ragequit May 22 18:09:02 so all this is because it's called "testing" and not "unstable" or something? May 22 18:09:24 http://i.solidfiles.net/1c1a.png work in progress May 22 18:09:51 It's mostly because of breaking stuff that works May 22 18:10:03 for example? May 22 18:10:13 because everything works for me pretty well May 22 18:10:34 look, I admit Qt's broken May 22 18:10:43 and that's getting reverted in the next version May 22 18:11:22 MohammadAG: Since I've been travelling a lot, could we make more use of maemo-developers rather than IRC? TVM :-) May 22 18:11:30 but the way he ALWAYS complains with no help whatsoever to fix things is annoying May 22 18:11:34 This goes for DocScrutinizer51 as well, so he doesn't need to keep making the same argument :-) May 22 18:11:38 merlin1991, no, it's not, the -51 version is there May 22 18:11:44 I'd call it "testing" if all changes were aimed at fixing bugs and the unknown factor was whether the bugfix has caused new bugs somewhere else as side-effect May 22 18:11:55 ShadowJK: And how do you "test" new features? May 22 18:13:33 First you start by not selling it as a fix :) May 22 18:13:35 actually DocScrutinizer has a valid point there, the term testing is misleading for the current way it goes May 22 18:14:20 Someone needs to come up with a roadmap to -stable May 22 18:14:55 Sc0rpius, can you look into the memory bug? May 22 18:15:05 Seems to me it's more like a chaotic playground for random cool hacks than a long-term maintenance project :-) May 22 18:15:40 ShadowJK: Patches to processes welcome. May 22 18:16:01 I've been looking into it, but it's hard to get May 22 18:16:05 is that a diff against /dev/null then? May 22 18:16:10 :) May 22 18:16:14 my next approach will be using dmalloc or something like that to see where the memory leak is May 22 18:20:08 mhm May 22 18:20:28 my debugging library going to get a memory checker .. but its not finished yet May 22 19:47:16 re May 22 19:54:34 rm680 May 22 19:55:23 rm680 -r May 22 20:11:56 how can I remove the "MMS" network entry I created with fMMS? May 22 20:14:58 switch to havoc mode in options May 22 20:19:01 debconf: (No usable dialog-like program is installed, May 22 20:19:15 anybody know what i have to install to fix that? May 22 20:29:17 MohammadAG i'm not sure what you mean. what options? May 22 20:29:40 fmms options May 22 20:29:52 oh, i removed it May 22 20:29:57 i'll bring it back May 22 20:30:23 got cups installed and foomatic-rip built :) May 22 20:37:01 thanks MohammadAG May 22 20:50:36 hello May 22 20:50:46 who here has experiance with el scratchbox May 22 20:51:21 wtf. why is my music skipping when i play it off the sd? May 22 20:52:02 becasue it is gabba? May 22 20:55:03 so i have compile my osurce code into a program May 22 20:55:14 and it appears to have worked May 22 20:55:33 so I have this xephyr screen session thing May 22 20:55:39 and my binary May 22 20:55:53 how do I invole my binary on the xephyr screen thing? May 22 20:55:57 how do I invoke my binary on the xephyr screen thing? May 22 20:56:57 vi__, May 22 20:57:04 there are a number of steps May 22 20:57:56 you first have to know the name of the application, then collect together the following things, eye of newt, hair of old woman and leg of an ostrich. put on your wizards hat and say aloud "[yourcommand] I SUMMON THEE!" May 22 20:58:23 or type the application name from where you ran make May 22 20:58:27 alternatively, ssh into the app and run it from there May 22 20:59:04 MohammadAG, I thought the first version was more dramatic May 22 20:59:11 YMMV though May 22 20:59:12 ssh 'into' the app? May 22 20:59:19 yu trollin' bro May 22 20:59:36 Im noob, not nube May 22 21:00:59 vi__: probably best to move it over to a phone and run it May 22 21:01:31 vi__, terminolgy, ssh into the running emulated system and run your command May 22 21:01:41 I was actually far from trolling and just pulling your leg May 22 21:01:44 ah, ok May 22 21:01:51 lcuk: how goes it? May 22 21:02:17 wtf is up with using the sd? May 22 21:02:31 i have just reflashed the device to PR1.3, how can i get cssu 1.3.3.7-7 with apt-get? May 22 21:02:40 macer it is good thanks May 22 21:02:53 the sd seems to completely screw my n900 up May 22 21:03:17 trying to move internally on the phone itself from the sd to the mmc and it is just frozen May 22 21:06:15 maybe the sd just sucks May 22 21:06:16 DocScrutinizer51: any idea? May 22 21:06:51 trumee: you have provided NO information. not even GOD knows May 22 21:06:54 Segmentation fault (core dumped) May 22 21:06:57 BAH May 22 21:07:17 vi__: i want to install cssu version 1.3.3.7-7 from cli May 22 21:07:42 trumee, add the repository and apt-get install community-ssu-enabler May 22 21:07:53 MohammadAG: thanks May 22 21:08:06 MohammadAG: what about specific version? May 22 21:08:29 that will install version 0 May 22 21:08:40 close HAM when it auto-opens May 22 21:13:11 HOLY FUCKING SHT May 22 21:13:16 IT COMPILED May 22 21:18:13 haha May 22 21:18:23 you sure you were in an armel target? May 22 21:18:55 vi__, ship it. May 22 21:27:56 while i said 'it compiled' I merley meant 'it compiled' May 22 21:31:48 MohammadAG: ok, i installed the community-ssu-enabler usin apt-get and accepted the notice. what next? May 22 21:33:20 trumee, run the icon so the signature's installed May 22 21:33:22 crap i clicked on the community-ssu icon and it has started installing May 22 21:33:28 then install mp-fremantle-generic-pr May 22 21:33:41 MohammadAG: i want specific version 1.3.3.7-7 May 22 21:34:44 MohammadAG: apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr=1.3.3.7-7 ? May 22 21:36:36 Version: 20.2010.36-2maemo13 May 22 21:36:40 not sure if that'll work May 22 21:38:17 MohammadAG: gave an error saying version 201.2010.36-2maemo13 for mp-fremantle-generic-pr was not found May 22 21:38:44 community-pr, sorry May 22 21:38:53 mp-fremantle-community-pr May 22 21:40:22 ok, now it is installing May 22 21:40:59 installed. do i reboot now? May 22 21:41:03 now where does one normally stick there SDL initialisation routines? May 22 21:41:08 ^their May 22 21:45:56 how do I search WITHIN a group of files for a word? i.e. if I wanted to find all instances of the word SCREENWIDTH? May 22 21:46:42 lol May 22 21:46:51 cat ./* | grep FINDME! May 22 21:46:53 grep SCREENWIDTH FILES May 22 21:47:03 that doesn't show filenames May 22 21:51:35 I most often use grep -rli word . May 22 21:51:52 (to find the files that say the word, though) May 22 21:56:48 ok so now that sucker compiles to 800x480 May 22 21:57:10 the author of the code has made the whole thing run at 800x600 May 22 21:57:21 shit falls of the bottom of the screen! May 22 21:57:24 BAH! May 22 21:57:32 >< May 22 22:02:46 ok so the maemo 5 dev env installer sure is a lot purdier than it used to be :) May 22 22:26:25 friggin vbox May 22 22:26:37 i want to try to copy this foomatic-rip over May 22 22:26:47 and see if i can print May 22 22:26:55 woooo May 22 22:52:49 damnit May 22 22:53:00 i got cups to get a green light May 22 22:53:09 but i am getting foomatic errors :( May 22 22:54:27 opt/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed May 22 22:54:48 :/ May 22 22:54:58 [22/May/2011:17:49:52 -0400] PID 2381 (/opt/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 1! May 22 22:55:22 maybe i need to pkg the build and install it May 22 22:55:39 i need instructions on how to make a deb... can someone direct me? May 22 22:55:48 i just copied the bin to the phone May 22 22:55:55 hoping that us all it needed May 22 22:58:15 plus the cups build that is in the repo peobably puts things in strange places May 22 22:58:34 maybe i should try building my own cups May 22 22:58:48 Macer, what env do you use for dev work? May 22 23:02:04 i am using the ubuntu lucid maemo5 sdk image May 22 23:02:13 in vbox May 22 23:02:25 i have never made a deb from src before May 22 23:02:52 i am trying to figure out how to make one so i can try installing all of foomatic into the proper paths May 22 23:02:57 hmmmm so you use eclipse? May 22 23:04:48 not really. i am May 22 23:04:54 just downloading src May 22 23:05:09 and trying to build it for my phone May 22 23:05:11 oh .... so ur doing mostly packaging? May 22 23:05:19 trying to May 22 23:05:21 :) May 22 23:05:25 :) May 22 23:05:25 never did it before May 22 23:05:35 i need a deb howto May 22 23:05:39 there is a great howto on the debian site somewhere May 22 23:06:13 well. i am going to restore my phone again May 22 23:06:29 backupmenu is great :) May 22 23:06:34 brb May 22 23:08:33 alrighty May 22 23:08:39 backupmenu ftw May 22 23:08:45 greatest thing ever made for the n900 :) May 22 23:08:46 heh May 22 23:09:16 im just getting used to my N900 May 22 23:09:21 had the N810 May 22 23:09:21 host mode is the greatest thing ever made for the n900 May 22 23:09:38 backupmenu is for people that screw up their n900 May 22 23:09:39 :) May 22 23:09:50 trx: yup May 22 23:09:53 ;) like me May 22 23:10:31 ;) May 22 23:10:31 breaking it over and over again trying to figure out how to get it to print to my laser printer May 22 23:10:56 how did you manage to do that :/ May 22 23:11:07 well.. didn't really break it May 22 23:11:13 i didnt screw it up trying to control stepper motors May 22 23:11:14 :/ May 22 23:11:15 but do 30 things to it totally mucking up the install May 22 23:11:26 then lose track May 22 23:11:41 so i have garbage all over the phone that doesn't work May 22 23:11:54 which makes backupmenu so great... glad someone made this May 22 23:12:13 the n900 version of android recovery :) May 22 23:12:26 whats android? May 22 23:12:30 :P May 22 23:14:31 heh May 22 23:19:17 ok. i'm giving up on this for a little while. gong out tonight :) May 22 23:19:20 later May 22 23:22:32 Wave. May 22 23:50:15 * MoonTiger sighs May 22 23:50:34 trying to install the dev env is very very slow May 22 23:50:39 still May 22 23:52:01 the setup wizard script fails completely May 22 23:52:11 and the manual steps dont work wither May 22 23:52:26 so much for trying to get back into dev for the N900 May 22 23:54:03 does anybody have a link t a page that actually explains how to get it up and running ... that actually works? May 22 23:55:12 oh well another time then May 23 00:00:39 wow, what a monologue.. May 23 00:05:23 Patient, too May 23 00:06:51 indeed May 23 00:06:57 that too.. May 23 00:07:04 :-S May 23 00:07:35 * DocScrutinizer wishes there'd be an antiban that forbids users to /quit May 23 00:07:51 haha May 23 00:07:57 that would be wierd **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 23 02:59:58 2011