**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 23 02:59:58 2011 May 23 04:29:28 hello May 23 04:30:18 hello May 23 04:30:46 hey men May 23 04:30:55 am i likely to be able to play 720p .mkv's on my n900 May 23 04:33:06 trist4n: certainly. while riding your unicorn under the rainbow. May 23 04:34:41 : | May 23 04:34:44 impossible then? May 23 04:45:47 actually I would expect it to be technically possible: http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_5it/specs.html?country=fi&lang=en (that's the _same_ SoC as on the N900) May 23 04:46:26 though it's just possible that nokia didn't buy those shiny codecs from $codec-vendor May 23 04:47:52 the question is rahter -- what will you do with the 1280x720 pixels once you decoded them? May 23 04:48:00 the screen is too small May 23 04:48:03 there is no hdmi out May 23 04:48:25 sure, that's the fun part where you throw away most of the info by resizing it to the screen :D May 23 04:48:30 :D May 23 04:49:44 the use case for such insanities is: the user can just torrent the latest episode of $fav_show and dump it onto $device and then watch it during his commute May 23 04:50:04 otherwise you'd need to add a transcoding step May 23 04:50:46 and on the n900 you could in theory torrent it directly to your device, if you have a pocket nuclear power plant that is ;) May 23 04:55:49 yeah well May 23 04:55:54 i want my annie may on the train home. May 23 04:55:56 dm8tbr: oh come on May 23 04:56:54 dm8tbr: there are excellent external batteries May 23 04:57:41 dm8tbr: i have seen some with stuff like 400wh May 23 05:02:28 chx: does it come with a complimentary cart? May 23 05:09:26 dm8tbr: lulz May 23 05:09:37 dm8tbr: store in the backpack, it's like 2kg May 23 05:11:52 * dm8tbr killed several backpacks by carrying around SLA cells May 23 05:12:19 and they were comparably small. sthg like 0,6kg each May 23 05:39:07 lol May 23 05:39:13 dm8tbr: actually May 23 05:39:34 i have a 12Ah 12v boost pack for my motorcycle May 23 05:39:45 that runs the n900 for a looong time May 23 05:39:53 * trist4n frowns May 23 05:51:39 I bet it does... Should last at least a month on that, if the normal battery lasts a day May 23 05:52:52 dangergrrl: sure does, no surprise there :) May 23 05:57:27 it's for camping May 23 05:57:58 or if my key slides out with the headlamps on May 23 06:17:47 any way to play flac files on da N900? May 23 06:18:41 Install ogg-support. May 23 06:18:42 install extra decoders May 23 06:18:43 extra decoder support May 23 06:19:09 you can probably also get away with things like vlc or mplayer ;) May 23 06:19:33 That doesn't seem to work at the moment. The whole decoders thing in devel is a mess May 23 06:19:59 in devel? May 23 06:20:30 Neither mediaplayer nor someplayer can do flac atm. May 23 06:20:35 extras-devel May 23 06:21:21 mediaplayer and someplayer iirc both depend on gstreamer which essentially is missing flac and other varied support May 23 06:21:36 Have tried every combination I could think of. Haven't gone back to ogg-support=1.0.5 yet though. May 23 06:21:47 I'm sure you don't need to enable extras-devel to get extra-decoders support May 23 06:21:49 I do gave ogg-support and decoders-support installed May 23 06:22:00 and I have -devel May 23 06:22:03 Venemo, same here May 23 06:22:10 are this stuff messed up in -devel only? May 23 06:22:17 I think so. May 23 06:22:35 GreatGonzo_, did you actually try or this is just speculation? May 23 06:22:55 I tried every bloody combination I could think of May 23 06:23:12 you removed -devel and reinstalled and it worked? May 23 06:23:50 Nope, sorry not that yet. I know though that it worked before ogg-support got chnaged in extras-devel a few eeks ago May 23 06:24:01 weeks as well May 23 06:24:11 aah, yeah, I think I can recall hearing something about that May 23 06:24:17 okay, I'll do this May 23 06:24:55 Does anybody know the dev who maintains these packages? May 23 06:25:59 ogg-support used to pull in flac etc, now it doesn't. Installing these retrospectively wotks for ogg but not for flac. May 23 06:26:33 Also oggs are no loner seekable (in someplayer at least for me) May 23 06:26:34 It used to be kulve. May 23 06:26:39 Dunno if he's still the one doing it. May 23 06:26:48 o/ May 23 06:27:03 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39299&page=20 May 23 06:27:18 see post #191 May 23 06:27:44 thanks that one slipped through the cracks May 23 06:28:59 heh May 23 06:29:02 latest Ogg Support should still support flac May 23 06:29:11 well it didn't work for me May 23 06:29:31 don't you guys _TEST_ your packages before uploading them? May 23 06:31:02 Isn't that what extras-devel is for ;-) May 23 06:31:32 its what extras-testing is for :þ May 23 06:31:34 and saying "This doesn't work" doesn't really help. It works for me. May 23 06:31:54 extras-devel -> extras-testing -> extras May 23 06:32:06 ogg isn't seekable - flac doesn't play May 23 06:32:07 kulve: You're still not shipping Theora support, right? May 23 06:32:45 at the moment no. 1.0.7 now depends on gst-av which brings in more optimized gst bits on top of ffmpeg May 23 06:33:06 kulve, Could you post the exact setup which worls for you in the thread mentioned above? May 23 06:33:23 I'd expect libtheora to be much faster than libav on the N900. May 23 06:34:19 and test with soemplayer and mediaplayer May 23 06:37:16 I'm using -devel a lot because of my development activities, but I'm always careful not to upload anything that is obviously broken or harms other people's experience May 23 06:56:21 hi all, why cant I see a widget I add to the status menu according to the wiki example? May 23 06:58:01 I added /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/switchProfByMeeting.py and /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/switchProfByMeeting.desktop May 23 06:58:33 but it doesnt appear . need I register the widget? May 23 07:07:03 after removing -devel and removing ogg-support and decoders support, then reinstalling them, flac files work once again May 23 08:35:46 morning May 23 08:37:34 moorning May 23 08:40:27 still mooring? May 23 08:40:41 ;) May 23 08:47:23 !morning May 23 08:47:33 psycho_oreos: ? May 23 08:47:35 ~morning May 23 08:47:35 Good morning! May 23 08:47:48 ~botsnakc May 23 08:47:52 ~botsnack May 23 08:47:52 thanks, chem|st May 23 08:47:55 ~fail May 23 08:47:55 FAIL. May 23 08:48:00 * psycho_oreos curses in silence May 23 08:48:04 ~coffee crashanddie May 23 08:48:05 * infobot steals some of zeltak's special coffee and gives it to crashanddie on a silver platter. May 23 09:17:59 \o May 23 09:21:17 `trolltech? lol May 23 09:46:46 MohammadAG, I have sociality installed but I don't see a sociality icon in my app menu May 23 09:47:28 Venemo_N900, "Facebook" May 23 09:48:47 MohammadAG, tried that, but it displays some weird web page thingy May 23 09:50:19 MohammadAG, when I click on the login button, nothing happens, it just clears the password field May 23 09:50:44 that's the login page Venemo_N900, I can't login via a GUI with OAuth May 23 09:51:05 Venemo_N900, it should log you in and redirect you back to the application... May 23 09:51:11 MohammadAG, mhm May 23 09:51:27 (after you give it permission) May 23 09:51:42 lemme paste you the auth link so you can do that in microB, though it works fine for me May 23 09:51:54 MohammadAG, why doesn't it accept my password? May 23 09:52:10 no idea, that's facebook's page not mine May 23 09:52:16 eh. May 23 09:52:22 the app doesn't know of your username or password May 23 09:52:28 only the token facebook returns May 23 09:52:29 maybe because I have special chars in it May 23 09:52:40 MohammadAG, what's "OAuth"? May 23 09:52:57 The new standard for web API logins May 23 09:53:21 twitter uses it too (they had XAuth which means custom login GUIs, but they pulled the plug on it) May 23 09:53:28 mhm May 23 09:53:39 MohammadAG, do you want me to help out with it? May 23 10:21:28 MohammadAG: *A* new standard ... :-P May 23 10:22:23 although for API it really might be THE May 23 10:44:40 back May 23 10:44:52 bad connection in my folks home May 23 10:45:37 I now seek help with thi FAQ : how to load my hildon-status widget without having to reboot the N900? May 23 10:46:19 kill hildon May 23 10:46:32 If you mean to load a widget you've just installed May 23 10:48:03 hi SpeedEvil, I change the /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/openvpn-applet.desktop May 23 10:48:05 SpeedEvil: Know how to completely disable tracker-indexer? May 23 10:48:07 I forget how May 23 10:48:26 ment to say: /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/MYAPP.desktop May 23 10:49:01 robbiethe1st: isn't it dsme? May 23 10:49:42 robbiethe1st: you can configure it to do nothing in the configuration file. May 23 10:49:51 hi chem|st , can I also see you this weekend? May 23 10:50:05 cityLights: yeah - I think all existing ones kjust kill it. Look at other applet installs. May 23 10:50:20 cityLights: you can tell by the decoration going away for a moment befroe it restarts May 23 10:50:21 I am looking at openvpn-applet May 23 10:50:26 dont see a kill line May 23 10:50:44 hmm... May 23 10:50:50 being new to UI... May 23 10:51:00 hildon-status-menu watches the desktop directory AND each desktop file May 23 10:51:17 if you open and close a desktop file, the applet is reloaded May 23 10:51:18 hi Mohammad May 23 10:51:25 no need to keep on killing hsm May 23 10:51:29 hey cityLights May 23 10:51:59 I changed the .desktop file a few times, yet only after a reboot, it picked up my changes May 23 10:52:23 and this took me lots of hours to figure out. as it is not mentioned in the wiki May 23 10:52:57 ...That explains it. So, out of the blue, tracker-indexer went crazy. I waited, no avail. Finally, I tried killing it with dsme and didn't get the command right, typed "pidof tracker-indexer" and the system rebooted! Went into backupmenu, ran fsck and... errors. May 23 10:53:29 anyone here from goldendelicius ? May 23 10:53:37 some openmoko firm - i guess May 23 10:54:01 i am using google street view now to get to now munchen May 23 10:54:07 munich May 23 10:54:39 It prooves hard for a non german speeker to find the nokia repair center to fix my N800 May 23 10:54:59 may any of you can help with German/ May 23 10:55:00 ? May 23 10:55:16 sure. May 23 10:57:38 GonzoTheGreat: where can I find a Nokia repair center in Munich? May 23 10:57:44 can I fix me N800 there? May 23 10:57:51 what number to call? May 23 10:58:01 (hope they speak english) May 23 10:58:50 pgrep -l hildon ... ok I see two pid for hildon-status-m May 23 10:58:58 Ah ok. I thought you need help with german. Since I am in Sydney local help is a bit harder. May 23 10:59:20 MohammadAG: need I kill them? will they be reborn May 23 10:59:34 I know you told me NOT to kill them May 23 10:59:36 bur May 23 10:59:37 but May 23 10:59:39 cityLights: Tel. 089 - 54505342 May 23 10:59:49 there's no need to kill them May 23 10:59:51 SWEET! May 23 11:00:25 MohammadAG: when I change a .desktop file it doesnt show up , only after a reboot May 23 11:01:57 chem|st: no answer.... May 23 11:02:01 cityLights, it should, not sure about python applets but it works fine for me May 23 11:03:59 in case it doesnt can I kill hsm and reload it? May 23 11:04:03 how? May 23 11:05:21 I went through hildon code and docs and still can't figure out how to place a (Qt) window above the task manager. So close to creating a custom lock screen.... May 23 11:08:45 hi *, it seems to me that smartreflex seemed to work better on power46 then power47 (bq27x00_battery is blacklisted). I'd like to downgrade to power46, but whenever I want to install hostmode-gui it goes back to power47. Any hints on how to go back to 46? May 23 11:10:54 you might want to have a look at the differences as to why hostmode-gui requires power47 rather than power46 May 23 11:11:10 there's ways to force it but that could also bring nasty side-effects May 23 11:12:32 if you havd an earlier version of hostmode-gui that depends on power46 you can 'apt-get install hostmode-gui=thatversion May 23 11:13:23 rather, the correct version May 23 11:13:40 of course if that depends on something else then you can get into dependency hell :) May 23 11:13:56 otherwise you could probably just dpkg -i if you have the debs but *shrugs* it doesn't hurt to be extra cautious May 23 11:14:20 GonzoTheGreat, psycho_oreos: thanks for hints. The only dependency I see is that hostmode-gui required kernel-feature-usbhost, and thats provided by kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo46 as well May 23 11:14:36 * jhb scratches his head May 23 11:22:53 * robbiethe1st crosses fingers: After ending up with a majorly corrupted filesystem, he backed it up via DD, created a new ext2 FS in it's place and is attempting to restore a backup image to it May 23 11:25:07 in case it doesnt can I kill hsm and reload it? May 23 11:25:08 how? May 23 11:25:11 killall hildon-status-menu May 23 11:26:01 as I planed, and how to reload it? May 23 11:27:41 psycho_oreos: it doesn't (h-e-n req 47) May 23 11:29:05 actually h-e-n depends on provides=usb-hostmode or sth like that, that's all May 23 11:29:28 ahh required kernel-feature-usbhost May 23 11:30:35 and blacklisting of bq27200.ko is a sane thing, as it breaks bme May 23 11:30:50 smartreflex never worked May 23 11:31:17 and quite probably is rather useless anyway May 23 11:31:50 DocScrutinizer: thats what I am trying to find out - I thing (not 100% sure) that after doing smartreflex my idle power consumption was only 50% of what is normally (by looking at batterygraph) May 23 11:31:59 aiui it's just enabling a sw-independent way the CPU can control the twl5030 regulators May 23 11:32:02 s/thing/thing/ May 23 11:32:06 s/thing/think/ May 23 11:32:06 jhb meant: DocScrutinizer: thats what I am trying to find out - I think (not 100% sure) that after doing smartreflex my idle power consumption was only 50% of what is normally (by looking at batterygraph) May 23 11:32:08 ahh May 23 11:33:00 but CPU can *always* control twl5030 regulators via sw - and does May 23 11:33:27 and batterygraph afaik is a broken-by-design app May 23 11:33:47 that mainly does one thing: monitor own rape of battery May 23 11:33:58 how about batteryeye? May 23 11:34:56 rhere's exactly ONE tool to get semi-decent figures for energy consumption (if you know to read the output): bq27200.sh May 23 11:35:12 well, it isn't pretty. May 23 11:35:44 well, it isn't refreshing silly gfx 20/s ;-P May 23 11:35:45 and you mentioned blacklisting bq27200 is a sane thing to do, but doesn't that script depend on that module? May 23 11:35:57 nope, definitely not May 23 11:36:07 most of the time I'm not looking at batteryeye, rather the graphs it has collected May 23 11:36:30 I designed it to use I2Ctools which don't neede and even conflict with that driver May 23 11:36:48 (I mean, it collects them periodically on the background, and I use it for short periods as a viewer) May 23 11:36:52 nice May 23 11:36:58 should get integrated into batteryeye then ;) May 23 11:38:29 DocScrutinizer: wasn't aware of bq27200.sh, will give it a go May 23 11:40:44 NB the conditional clause of my statement some lines up! it's not trivial to interpret the output correctly in all parts of it May 23 11:41:22 generally what you get for current is the average of last complete 5s probing window May 23 11:41:45 what you get for voltage is realtime May 23 11:42:05 thx May 23 11:42:10 what you get for battery capacity is sometimes complete BS when CI=1 May 23 11:43:01 all the other values (TTE etc) depend on battery capacity so if that's wrong they are as well May 23 11:43:25 voltage and current however are pretty accurate May 23 11:44:08 for the other values some common sense is needed May 23 11:44:16 DocScrutinizer: still can't get it to CI=0 May 23 11:45:36 chem|st: fully charge and then discharge battery, so it can complete a learning cycle May 23 11:46:05 err, charge, discharge, charge? May 23 11:46:11 let it die twice already May 23 11:46:53 all what happened was that the learning since changed to 0 May 23 11:46:54 if you got logs of bq27200.sh 60 >log.txt - I'll have a look May 23 11:47:20 maybe sth is invalidating your learning cycle May 23 11:48:03 you might want to read the bq27x00 datasheet May 23 11:48:29 it's really nontrivila May 23 11:49:49 I am at cycle 21 now... yesterday the battery was ~10% and I charged without further look, 10mins later got the green led showing already... May 23 11:50:32 can't comment without full log May 23 11:51:33 gimme a foll log of a learning cycle and I'll tell you what happened May 23 11:52:48 Hey guys, anyone know the correct options to format the optfs? May 23 11:52:54 chem|st: sometimes you need to disable bme, it seems May 23 11:53:11 to keep it from shutting down prematurely May 23 11:53:53 * DocScrutinizer mumbles "to format, to format" May 23 11:54:02 hmmm May 23 11:54:18 any options needed? May 23 11:54:43 mkfs.ext2 ? or ext3... May 23 11:54:51 3 May 23 11:56:24 robbiethe1st: I guess you can get the actual parameters of that fs with ... e2fstune or whatever it's called May 23 11:56:50 It's ext3? May 23 11:56:55 yep May 23 11:57:04 Ok, that's probably my problem May 23 11:57:06 according to my "mount" it is May 23 11:57:10 formatted it to ext2 May 23 11:57:28 e2fstune can easily convert ;-) May 23 11:58:44 tune2fs May 23 12:02:43 robbiethe1st: journal on and ready it is... May 23 12:02:49 yea May 23 12:03:24 robbiethe1st: http://paste.debian.net/117727/ May 23 12:03:53 Thanks, if this doesn't work I'll see what's different May 23 12:07:58 *phew*... I'm glad I didn't change much in the last month... May 23 12:08:52 (Used a month-old optfs image with the current rootfs image) May 23 12:10:59 robbiethe1st: btw did I mention backupmenu is one of the most useful apps ever? Thanks! May 23 12:11:46 :P I have to say, even if /noone/ else used it, I'd still have been worth my time. May 23 12:12:11 well, I need help with hildon status menu May 23 12:12:19 I'm off. Thanks all. May 23 12:12:25 o/ May 23 12:12:47 cityLights: ask MohammadAG - he's expert of status menu May 23 12:13:06 when I add my .desktop and openvpn-applet.desktop - my ui is missing May 23 12:13:35 but when I remove the openvpn-applet.desktop - my ui shows fine May 23 12:13:41 missing where? May 23 12:13:47 missing what? May 23 12:14:21 what's "my ui"? May 23 12:14:42 MohammadAG: any idea why my ui is missing when openvpn-applet.desktop is there? May 23 12:14:51 there are apps with UI that shows up when you start the app in applauncher May 23 12:15:14 and then there are button (sldiers, whatnot) in status menu May 23 12:15:15 DocScrutinizer: no button with my application name appears in the menu May 23 12:15:29 ok, that'S a proper description May 23 12:16:26 can't see any reason why the button vanishes when there's a *.desktop in */applications/hildon/ May 23 12:16:59 right May 23 12:17:17 MohammadAG might know May 23 12:17:48 ok May 23 12:19:00 cityLights, I'm not sure you can load a .py file directly May 23 12:19:10 see advanced-power-monitor, it's in python May 23 12:21:32 ok May 23 12:24:52 I see the same desktop content as in the wiki: May 23 12:24:57 Type=python May 23 12:25:02 X-Path=advanced-power May 23 12:36:11 MohammadAG: in advanced-power-monitor-0.5.3 there is no .desktop file May 23 12:36:15 is this correct? May 23 12:36:59 advanced-power - Battery (percentage, time left active, time left idle) status menu plugin May 23 12:37:06 -monitor is the backend, sorry May 23 12:44:03 Advanced Power 0.4.2-4 is dependend on advanced-power-common and advanced-power-monitor May 23 12:44:15 both of them dont have .desktop files May 23 12:45:08 I was looking in to openvpn-applet which is also python made May 23 12:45:20 must go , pls replay here May 23 12:54:47 hi May 23 12:54:47 is there a way to start a python status plugin as its own process? May 23 12:58:22 nusse, unlikely May 23 12:58:46 why? May 23 12:59:04 for home plugins its working fine May 23 13:09:16 yo DocScrutinizer May 23 13:09:27 o/ May 23 13:09:55 nusse, home plugins are different. every X window that has the necessary X property is displayed as a homescreen widget. for the status menu, I think it's different May 23 13:10:12 DocScrutinizer, I'd like to hear your perspective about a matter that has been troubling me May 23 13:10:22 shoot May 23 13:10:37 WHY JAVASCRIPT? May 23 13:10:49 while I go prepare me a coffee :-) May 23 13:11:12 I mean, last time I checked, Javascript was a braindamaged, webby language which everyone hated May 23 13:11:51 now both the Gnome guys promote it (or rather, their "GJS" implementation of it), and also the Qt guys promote it ("QML" is javascript) May 23 13:11:57 what's wrong with the world? May 23 13:14:19 * DocScrutinizer programs and starts "deep thought" May 23 13:14:33 but I guess we already know the answer: 42 May 23 13:14:54 DocScrutinizer, sure, but what portion of 42 answers the matter of javascript? May 23 13:15:15 DocScrutinizer, Guru Meditation error May 23 13:16:44 lol May 23 13:20:29 I think it's the consequent conclusion from the fact that those nerds love to cal themselves "web programmers" while they actually are designers with a cloudy idea of html, who eventually read a book about how to implement "nifty shiny eyecandy by using JS" May 23 13:20:32 * chem|st wonders why "deep thought 2.0" calculates 42.1337 May 23 13:21:14 DocScrutinizer: and never knew that CSS is faster but uses more bandwidth May 23 13:22:53 Venemo: see VBA and its absolutely screwed concept of *translating function names* - same mindset basically May 23 13:24:37 mhm May 23 13:25:46 hell that's been funny when you never knew whether your "," will be printed as "," or as "." or will just cause an exception May 23 13:27:34 same with parameter separation that one time been "a, b, c" and then "a; b; c" iirc May 23 13:29:22 I had a LOT of fun with these when I wrote XMLMaker for excel May 23 13:34:15 which is best? MD4/MD5/SHA1? May 23 13:38:13 http://www.google.de/search?q=XMLMaker+gsdc <-this XMLMaker (there are lots of others around now ;-D ) May 23 13:40:49 * RST38h yawns May 23 13:40:51 Any news? May 23 13:41:44 HTC Holiday comes with a 4.5" qHD display with 960 x 540 pixel resolution and boasts of a 1.2 GHz dual core MSM8660 chipset from Qualcomm. It has a 1 GB RAM and 8 MP camera. May 23 13:42:08 Eh... May 23 13:43:54 what about an Espoo NSeries Party in terms of Boston Tea Party if nokia brings no developer device after next May 23 13:44:54 chem|st: You want to get rid of your N900 in such a ghastly way? May 23 13:46:42 no the devel devices not suiting devel May 23 13:47:32 so developers deny use of those May 23 13:47:36 chem|st: please elaborate May 23 13:47:48 you know installing the maemo sdks is a pita May 23 13:48:12 i've been at it for a week with my 1995 internet May 23 13:49:36 never underestimate the evil sensibilities of a german held isp May 23 13:49:44 att would just charge me by the bit for my sdk May 23 13:50:40 DocScrutinizer: when devel peops would stick together they/we could obtain preasure on nokia, for some reason nokia thinks "the community will handle it" and actualy we do instead of denying to adopt new garbage they come up with May 23 13:52:01 hmm, while I sympathise with the general notion, I'm lost on the relation to any recent example May 23 13:52:20 it kinda sucks that nokia figured out hackers will buy it even if they don't support it :P May 23 13:52:29 no recent, I am talking futurative May 23 13:52:39 nokia? May 23 13:52:42 future? May 23 13:52:42 MohammadAG: why do you want an insecure algo? May 23 13:52:45 n900? May 23 13:52:49 like meego harmattan bastard? May 23 13:52:52 unlikely May 23 13:53:06 they want to sell capacitive screens to us... without keyboard May 23 13:53:15 sure, BS May 23 13:53:24 i like my resistive screen May 23 13:53:31 and my keyboard May 23 13:53:33 who doesn't? May 23 13:53:34 it works when i have motorcycle gloves on May 23 13:53:54 some people like capacitive May 23 13:54:05 for what reason May 23 13:54:14 those are rather narrow on their thinking May 23 13:54:17 multitouch May 23 13:54:21 I have a capa touchpad on my laptop and it sucks May 23 13:54:23 useless May 23 13:54:55 try using capa with motorcycle gloves on :P May 23 13:54:56 multitouch is no inherent exclusive feature of c-ts, though everybody seems to think that May 23 13:55:15 it is so unprecise that apart from gaming or ar-drone control I have no further use May 23 13:55:46 toughbook? May 23 13:56:00 DocScrutinizer: there is new thinfilm technology for MT resistive May 23 13:56:37 i remember the plato iv touchscreens May 23 13:57:08 you could see the wires between two plastic sheets crisscrossing the screen May 23 13:57:17 hehe May 23 13:57:18 there are those critters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc May 23 13:57:54 plato iv was pretty incredible for 1970s tech May 23 13:59:22 "11 finger pan" :) May 23 13:59:52 hildon makes no use of pressure sensitiy right? May 23 13:59:58 the statement that the screen isnt precise enough to show how precise the actual touchscreen is... is the best! May 23 14:00:02 only mypaint does May 23 14:03:47 ...and if Nokia was serious about community involvement - rather then doing this useless mynokiaphone "select screensize of your fav phone: 3.0" / 3.8" shit - they would listen and then tell if there are chances to get a stantum r-ts mt on next device, if no then why not May 23 14:07:45 mt would be nice May 23 14:07:54 i want it to still work with gloves :) May 23 14:07:56 mt is overrated May 23 14:08:27 like i said working with gloves is more important to me May 23 14:08:38 and worth nuttin without proper integration into the whole OS and UI-style guidelines May 23 14:09:08 DocScrutinizer: ack May 23 14:09:24 this loose glued together all throught maemo somehow sux May 23 14:09:29 so, is cortex A9 gonna be the next handset? May 23 14:09:38 had a hard laugh when I first tried the meego-netbookUX, was like "you need a touchscreen to use it" May 23 14:09:59 looks like nokia won't make it for us May 23 14:11:44 I want proper multitouch. May 23 14:11:50 btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnQHoCDxiRw&NR=1 1:53 cool stuff :-D May 23 14:11:51 ~400dpi. May 23 14:11:57 So it can do fingerprints. May 23 14:12:35 i'm glad i don't have clearance to anything May 23 14:12:53 no cutting my fingers off to unlock doors May 23 14:16:24 yeah you remember passwords .. so sorry, we have to disect your brain :P May 23 14:16:57 ..bll May 23 14:18:03 also there are way smarter technologies than mt r-ts nowadays, each with their own pros and cons. SpeedEvil knows a lot about it May 23 14:18:17 e.g surface wave May 23 14:18:58 obviously is an "active" method, so will eat "lots" of energy while sensing May 23 14:21:34 could build a stereoscopic cam in it (~5000€) and get gesture recognition working... May 23 14:22:31 DocScrutinizer: smarter != mature .. there are a lot new technologies which are not proven in the field yet, i dont trust them yet May 23 14:23:11 the n900 touchscreen is great, but its software handling could be better .. May 23 14:23:56 multitouch would be nice tough .. if only 2 or 3 fingers May 23 14:24:08 on screen virtual joypads! May 23 14:24:21 there was some video about fake MT May 23 14:24:23 * RST38h wants 4.5"-5" screen though May 23 14:24:25 RST38h: so 2 fingers for you May 23 14:24:36 chemist: 4 May 23 14:24:39 you can do a lot with pressure sensitivity if done right May 23 14:24:47 chemist: a diagonal direction + fire + bomb May 23 14:24:56 RST38h: ? holding it upside down or what? May 23 14:24:59 set up the bomb May 23 14:25:01 Oooh! May 23 14:25:05 cehteh: Can't do shit on the N900, due to its pressure readings being wrong May 23 14:25:11 Firebomb who is the question. May 23 14:25:14 Well... May 23 14:25:16 chem|st: Sitting on it! May 23 14:25:20 Pressure is really teh wrong term. May 23 14:25:29 It's an integrated conductivity measurement. May 23 14:25:30 lol May 23 14:25:33 RST38h: yes that what i saied, its software/driver sux .. should be done better May 23 14:25:36 it's more like area of touch May 23 14:25:37 vibration on! May 23 14:25:38 Which is related to pressure in only the loosest way. May 23 14:25:53 It's sort of area * fn(pressure) May 23 14:26:02 DocScrutinizer: area not .. you can do that with a sharp pen too May 23 14:26:10 yes it integrates all May 23 14:26:22 a sharp pen is barely pressure sensitive May 23 14:26:38 works somewhat May 23 14:27:06 the hw driver is checking the cunductivity from one plane to the other May 23 14:27:10 how do resistive displays work? scanning lines? May 23 14:27:31 for a pinpoint contact that's rather defined independently of pressure May 23 14:27:37 cehteh: There are two resistive planes. May 23 14:27:43 gradient May 23 14:27:51 ah ok May 23 14:27:58 cehteh: These have conductive electrodes down the X axis for one, and the Y for the other. May 23 14:28:07 yes got it now May 23 14:28:25 cehteh: measuring the resistance between X1 and Y2 and Y1 give you X position May 23 14:28:30 similarly for Y May 23 14:28:33 yeah May 23 14:28:39 err May 23 14:28:56 cehteh: N900 pressure readings are bad because of the hw issues May 23 14:28:58 rather - applying a voltage across X1 and X2, and measuring voltage out at Y1 May 23 14:29:15 cehteh: Mechanical even - the hard screen cover tends to distribute pressure over a bigger area May 23 14:29:21 you apply plus to x-up and - to x-down, and check the voltage at Y-* May 23 14:29:24 yes sure May 23 14:29:57 then you swap x vs y May 23 14:30:03 * cehteh thinks about 3 planes in 60° angle .. multitouch voila May 23 14:30:17 wll gtg really now bbl May 23 14:30:45 well, there are other designs of r-ts than the obove sketched 4-wire May 23 14:31:21 like 5 wire, which has a contact in each corner of one plane, and only one contact to other plane May 23 14:31:23 cehteh: IT's two planes that touch each other when pressed. 3 planes is technically impossible. May 23 14:32:16 if only for translucency May 23 14:33:38 a rather cool design would use pulse response. (C) J. Reisenweber May 23 14:34:11 it's an M.E.'s job :P May 23 14:34:44 as those 2 planes are a nice sufficiently complex "coaxial" system May 23 14:35:08 they give stuff to the EE May 23 14:35:18 he builds something broken May 23 14:35:31 with all properties of such a system (read: 50Ohm RG55 tin ethernet coax cable) May 23 14:35:42 then they expect the software folks to work around it May 23 14:36:30 dangergrrl: actually it's usually the other way round: EE builds nice stuff, but SW doesn't care to ask how to use it properly May 23 14:37:13 you must have worked different jobs from me May 23 14:37:20 they always gave me broken toys May 23 14:37:26 then when it sucks, the EE are the ones to take the flames May 23 14:37:31 and expected me to make them work anyway May 23 14:38:29 you can watch that effect all over meego-arm May 23 14:38:54 starting with the FDC on the TEI S-100 my high school principal had May 23 14:38:59 it would boot May 23 14:39:13 "EEEW, N900 *SUCKS* on power usage!!1!1!11eleven!" May 23 14:39:14 if you set a breakpoint in the floop initialization code May 23 14:39:19 floppy May 23 14:39:47 dangergrrl: 8272 or 1793? May 23 14:40:04 whoever wrote the boot code needed a delay loop May 23 14:40:18 seeeee?? SW sucks May 23 14:40:46 well, i got out of class for weeks May 23 14:40:53 I *bet* the EE knew and documented there is a mandatory delay May 23 14:41:04 special dispensation to the principal's office May 23 14:41:08 may well have May 23 14:41:30 you had to set a breakpoint with the toggle switches May 23 14:41:37 it's really always like this May 23 14:42:22 Doc: FDCs are like that, a lot of their timings are mechanics related. Not controller's fault. May 23 14:42:26 EE usually know their shit, just SW devels don't care, as they think hw has to work the way they expect it to May 23 14:42:30 someone's secretary mistyped 100ms as 1ms May 23 14:43:05 this was a computer designed in 1977 May 23 14:43:12 not sure if it had a fdc on a chip May 23 14:43:19 i think it was a whole board May 23 14:43:30 made by wd May 23 14:43:51 RST38h: I know, I tuned my Amiga1000 FD to use stepper rate *2 to give both better access times and lower noise May 23 14:43:52 who also made the lsi-11 boards for DEC May 23 14:44:33 DocScrutinizer: *some* documentation just plain lies May 23 14:44:45 both hw and sw May 23 14:44:56 yep, and EE will detect it *usually* May 23 14:45:28 i can usually tell when the docs are crap May 23 14:45:36 as experienced EE do their own test and PoC implementations May 23 14:45:39 but that doesn't tell you what the truth is May 23 14:46:06 MohammadAG: I took your advice and installed the advance power on my N900 May 23 14:46:26 I do see a .desktop belonging to the advance power pkg May 23 14:46:35 you have a vacuum advance on your n900? :) May 23 14:46:41 then they pass all that to SW and those nerds just say "meh, not my coding style, way too much cruft in there! I'll do it from scratch" May 23 14:47:01 I think that I used too much of the openvpn code, thus cant run my program and openvpn applet May 23 14:47:21 but I will examine advance power .py now May 23 14:47:59 cehteh: hi there May 23 14:48:01 try getting 4 serial ports running at 9600 baud on a 286 with intel uarts :P May 23 14:48:14 hehe May 23 14:48:28 chem|st: well i called the number you gave me May 23 14:48:35 those things are so broken May 23 14:48:35 they dont speek english... May 23 14:48:40 intel UARTs were mere BS iirc May 23 14:49:00 so I ask again May 23 14:49:07 I am new to germany May 23 14:49:34 assume i have a broken N800 and only speak english - how can I fix it in munchen? May 23 14:49:41 minchen May 23 14:49:51 muenchen :-D May 23 14:49:59 can I take it to any 02 shop? May 23 14:50:04 lol May 23 14:50:14 call golden-delicious, ask for nickolaus May 23 14:50:20 I preffer the german way of saying the name of the town May 23 14:50:30 deutsche well has some good online german classes May 23 14:50:39 welle May 23 14:50:42 golden-delicious ? ok,,, google .... May 23 14:50:56 goldelico May 23 14:51:11 join goldelico May 23 14:51:18 o.O May 23 14:51:31 i'm just dumb May 23 14:52:20 can only remember mein muttersprachen ist englitch and then my eyes get glassy May 23 15:04:11 I also need help in finding the advance monitor sources online - i did manage to install it fine May 23 15:07:58 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/diablo_extras_free_armel/advanced-power-src/0.4.1-6/ has no source files May 23 15:08:00 odd May 23 15:17:06 cityLights: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/a/advanced-power-src/advanced-power-src_0.4.1-6.tar.gz May 23 15:19:31 thank you very much May 23 15:23:19 NB it's diablo, not fremantle May 23 15:23:42 right May 23 15:23:49 which is what I am looking for May 23 15:23:53 k May 23 15:25:33 actually I adore advanced power monitor on diablo, unequaled and missing on N900 May 23 15:26:50 how to see color in my editor while writing code on the N900? May 23 15:28:29 what's the cli thing that shows power info? May 23 15:29:00 dangergrrl: bq27200.sh ? May 23 15:29:23 or powertop ? May 23 15:29:33 maybe powertop May 23 15:29:58 that show how much power i'm getting from usb and whether i'm charging or losing? May 23 15:30:13 powertop mostly is about CPU load, wakeups, etc May 23 15:30:25 that's bq27200.sh May 23 15:30:32 cityLights, well, it depends on the editor you use May 23 15:30:40 aha May 23 15:30:47 I like vim -- and the maemo vim package has full support for :syntax on and other goodies May 23 15:30:59 i thought there was something like that May 23 15:31:10 o ok May 23 15:31:13 i have no idea which vi i have installed on maemo May 23 15:31:22 i know i don't have emacs :( May 23 15:31:44 prolly messybox-vi May 23 15:32:04 emacs wont be started ever on a system of mine - I prefer to boot it^^ May 23 15:32:09 it works for what little i know of vi :) May 23 15:32:14 busybox vi comes preinstalled May 23 15:32:16 it's... painful May 23 15:32:31 ~messybox May 23 15:32:32 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils May 23 15:32:49 does hjkl dw dd a i and C May 23 15:33:20 doesn't do u, I think, which I find a bit limiting :) May 23 15:33:46 i installed bash and /usr/bin/gnu stuff May 23 15:33:57 * mgedmin somehow doubts "system integrators" have a goal of "decent user interactive shell plus unix utils" May 23 15:34:12 now if the n900 were developed and marketed in the 1970s... May 23 15:34:23 [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[5~ May 23 15:34:24 i didn't install gcc even though the 'how to connect to freenode on n900 on tmobile' doc i found suggests so May 23 15:34:29 I miss manpages... May 23 15:34:44 man 1 man May 23 15:35:01 apt-get install mandb-n900 May 23 15:35:18 oh May 23 15:35:37 Ehrm, sorry , typo May 23 15:35:37 i need to manually get a deb file i think May 23 15:35:51 coutesy MohammadAG whom I pesterd to do that pkg :-D May 23 15:35:56 dangergrrl: there's vim in repos too May 23 15:36:24 ah, sorry May 23 15:37:46 i can't ssh to the n900 May 23 15:37:52 it's a modem right now May 23 15:37:59 dangergrrl: gcc for connecting N900 to freenode, well THAT sounds *odd* May 23 15:38:30 freenode requires SASL auth on some ISPs May 23 15:38:40 tmobile in particular May 23 15:38:45 mhm May 23 15:38:52 there is a C SASL plugin for xchat May 23 15:39:03 need gcc to compile it May 23 15:39:06 still I wonder where gcc comes in May 23 15:39:22 tzztzz, compile on N900, how geeky May 23 15:39:40 yeah, he couldn't resist May 23 15:39:51 because he could May 23 15:40:17 must be a andridiot dude May 23 15:40:35 like one small .c file, likely doesn't take long even on n900 native May 23 15:41:08 but insatlling gcc will take a while May 23 15:41:10 i've done embedded work May 23 15:41:31 just because the target can run gcc does not mean it's the best plan May 23 15:41:40 indeed May 23 15:42:23 dangergrrl: you should use "ed" as an editor to really reenact the experience then, should not you? :) May 23 15:42:37 gcc could well alloca the n900's whole address space in one call without even considering May 23 15:43:16 teco May 23 15:43:25 make love not war you turkey May 23 15:43:30 It worked for compiling the kernel for me. IIRC about an hour. May 23 15:43:53 wut? May 23 15:44:13 actually my friend did do some native dev on n800 May 23 15:44:18 kernel took way longer on my dualcore 1.6GHz pentium, in SB May 23 15:44:29 but it's not preferable May 23 15:44:56 depends what you are compiling and how many dependencies it has May 23 15:44:57 an hour sounds short May 23 15:45:38 i'm compiling something to post live gps tracks for me May 23 15:45:46 haven't decided what yet May 23 15:46:01 either a gpsjinni mod or mappero May 23 15:46:02 o/ lcuk May 23 15:46:11 \o DocScrutinizer May 23 15:46:53 gpsjinni is probably smaller and easier to modify May 23 15:48:15 Oops - my bad - 3 hours, not one. May 23 15:48:16 check out columbus May 23 15:48:39 haven't tried columbus May 23 15:49:04 * DocScrutinizer neither May 23 15:49:10 mappero is pretty nice but confusing for what i've tried to use it for May 23 15:49:29 dangergrrl: columbus has various outputs... BT ether serial et al May 23 15:49:45 I gather columbus started as a nice GPS frontend rather than a mapper app May 23 15:50:54 it is basically a mapless gps plotter for sailing... you got waypoints distances speed direction and so on May 23 15:51:00 definately look at it then May 23 15:51:17 after i spend days waiting for the sdk to install..... May 23 15:51:35 works more like the garmin outdoor things without any maps May 23 15:52:24 i have 50mb out of 150 of scratchbox-devkit-doctools May 23 15:52:50 on a real internet connection i would be done in a minute or two May 23 15:53:24 19.6K modem? ;-) May 23 15:54:17 getting about 7.5kb/s so i think like 80k? May 23 15:55:40 dt i hate you, glad you're selling tmobile, but att is even worse May 23 15:58:29 all us providers are even worse May 23 15:59:34 apart from push-to-talk which is not available here we have a descent networkstructure and not so bad contracts May 23 15:59:51 can tell stories about dt all day... May 23 16:00:06 verizon still sells unlimited May 23 16:00:11 but it's cdma May 23 16:00:20 and it ends in a week or so May 23 16:00:58 claiming to be the most inovative country and beeing the most inovative country is a huge difference May 23 16:01:01 tmobile sells "unlimited*" data May 23 16:01:16 usb-modeswitch is available for N900? May 23 16:01:46 which means the first 5gb is fast then you go at dialup speed May 23 16:03:19 thats what they do here to May 23 16:04:19 i would hate them less if they used QoS instead of rate limiting May 23 16:04:37 who wouldn't May 23 16:05:33 chem|st: most innovative? USA? LOL! USA is third world of telco May 23 16:05:49 QoS would serve the purpose of not letting heavy users degrade the network for others May 23 16:05:56 DocScrutinizer: 4th May 23 16:06:04 * Sicelo_ is thinking in terms of cdma... perhaps a cdma modem could be used with N900 May 23 16:06:25 even africa got better nets May 23 16:06:34 Sicelo_: why would you want to? May 23 16:06:45 Sicelo_: h-e-n is what you're looking for May 23 16:07:26 you know the usa has a national infrastructure goal for 2020 of having 99% availability of 4/1mbps dsl May 23 16:07:40 which would put us dead last May 23 16:08:04 true doc, :) May 23 16:09:27 4/1... lol May 23 16:09:45 Morning, all May 23 16:09:50 in fairness, that's much better than the UK's goal May 23 16:09:50 good morning May 23 16:09:55 though it is 5 years longer May 23 16:10:00 I have 3/0.5 ATM May 23 16:10:12 Sicelo_: but N900 can't power CDMA dongles May 23 16:10:18 I could get 3/1 - if they would let me. May 23 16:10:41 im on 7.5/1 here, but I 2/0.25 is the uk's 2015 goal May 23 16:10:41 probably want a cradlepoint for that May 23 16:10:50 are we talking bits or bytes? May 23 16:10:55 bits May 23 16:11:03 lol May 23 16:11:38 au is doing gigabit anywhere May 23 16:11:46 25/1mbits currently May 23 16:12:02 dangergrrl: Which you can use for 8 seconds before going over quota. May 23 16:12:05 what is a shame as the whole town is darkfibre! May 23 16:12:18 chatanooga tn has gigabit now May 23 16:12:23 for $350/mo May 23 16:12:30 god im looking forward to our fttc/ftth rollout here :\ May 23 16:12:34 voluntary project in the early millenium May 23 16:14:23 could get 100/6 for 40€/month or 32/2 for 20€ May 23 16:14:45 or gbit sync for 250€ May 23 16:14:58 hah May 23 16:15:29 and 20km out the suburbs you can't get any DSL at all, still! May 23 16:16:06 thats not my fault May 23 16:16:29 most suburbs got cable allready May 23 16:16:32 sure it is ;-D May 23 16:16:38 well, the 4/1 plan is supposed to cover even people in alaska and wyoming where it's not profitable May 23 16:16:58 but still May 23 16:17:02 I used to live in the far end of nowhere and there in the only street without cable... May 23 16:17:16 they could skip the whole state of wyoming and hit the 99% goal May 23 16:17:20 doubt they got dsl yet but cable for sure May 23 16:17:50 dangergrrl: don't forget kansas and mississippi May 23 16:17:51 here in Germany the situation is: un cities everybody can get 16MB downstream, while at countryside we got a coverage of maybe 10..20% May 23 16:17:53 Live blog in #meegoconf starting in about 45 minutes. May 23 16:18:06 for DSL May 23 16:18:16 heya \o/ May 23 16:18:23 yeah cable is about 35% afair May 23 16:18:31 chem|st: the whole state of wyoming is like 150k people May 23 16:18:47 korea got gbit everywhere May 23 16:18:54 people actually live in kansas and mississippi May 23 16:19:09 thought so^^ May 23 16:20:05 bb lads and ladies May 23 16:20:22 best i've been able to get for DSL was 7/1 May 23 16:20:37 but i got 6 ip adresses for only $15 extra May 23 16:23:29 hmm... The droid 3 looks good. Wonder if maemo/mer/meego could be installed on it :-) May 23 16:23:33 (meego, probably) May 23 16:34:22 how can i add the repo Diablo Extras-devel free i386? or should i add the armel one for my n900? May 23 16:35:13 ? May 23 16:35:20 once again pls vith more detail May 23 16:35:21 i386 is for desktops May 23 16:35:25 well - and laptops May 23 16:35:33 you should never have it enabled on your n900 May 23 16:46:55 and diablo won't work for N900 anyway May 23 16:47:57 OK so I've scrapped my plans for an ext3 mmcblk0p1 (i.e. MyDocs)... it's insane, you need to replace two scripts just to get it to remount it after and even then they don't work May 23 16:48:36 So I'm thinking a buy real 32gb MicroSD card, ext3 it.. and maybe an nfs server on the n900 because I'll be sick of taking the back cover off... May 23 16:48:52 Only thing that annoys me about that is theres 27gb I'll barely use on the internal mmc.... grrrr May 23 16:49:41 so I'm left with either a) a loopback file that is ext3... crazy mofo idea - sloooooow.... or b) err... another additional partition on mmcblk0 and somehow pray filemanager/media-player sees it as an inserted microsd card? May 23 16:50:33 Objective: Use ext3 filesystem to to music files on instead of FAT as it can't handle like a shit load of unicode characters and symbols May 23 16:50:38 *to load music May 23 16:50:52 repartitioning is not an option? May 23 16:51:11 dm8tbr, depends - what are you repartitioning and in what way? May 23 16:51:44 I'd try this: resize the MyDocs partition to be 500M or so and create a new partition behind it May 23 16:52:11 (that's what I did for other devices) May 23 16:52:20 dm8tbr, ok - I can do that dead easy... but what do I get from that? will maemo apps even look at that partition like they look at MyDocs or an inserted MicroSD card for files? May 23 16:53:23 Lantizia: I just thought you wanted something that's ext3 formatted. so what would you like to do with the ext3 formatted space then? May 23 16:53:43 put music, movies, documents, my data on it May 23 16:53:58 also this wouldn't have the 4GiB limitation of the loopmount ext3 on vfat May 23 16:54:35 FAT is not acceptable... my desktop systems are linux and I don't name my files avoiding "unacceptable" characters that FAT doesn't like - some are even unicode (like classical music has russian names with russian symbols) May 23 16:54:38 you can mount it somewhere on the mydocs partition or elsewhere where it's accessible? May 23 16:55:21 I didn't suggest FAT, did I? May 23 16:55:22 dm8tbr, there is no point in trying to replace MyDocs to be ext3, looked at that already - everything expects it to be fat May 23 16:55:31 dm8tbr, no I'm just explaining why I can't use it May 23 16:55:32 learn reading... May 23 16:55:51 I didn't propose for mydocs to be ext3... May 23 16:56:04 then I don't understand what your proposing May 23 16:56:08 just _one_ directory in there could be the mountpoint May 23 16:56:23 ah I see where your going May 23 16:56:23 .../mydocs/ext3 May 23 16:56:38 doesn't fstab get re-generated though on every boot up? May 23 16:56:49 that would be accessible by other applications but wouldn't break whatever expects the partition to be fat for mydocs May 23 16:57:08 I am not familiar with the boot process of the n900 May 23 16:57:20 but I'd expect it to have something like rc.local May 23 16:57:47 also note that this might break (to an extent) the USB-mass-storage feature May 23 16:58:19 dm8tbr, probably won't, from what I know mmcblk0p1 is exported over USB like a block device May 23 16:58:23 the ext3 dir would be empty May 23 16:58:49 it wouldn't be exported as it can't unmount the fat partition until the ext3 partition is umounted... May 23 16:58:57 lol ah! May 23 16:59:38 just spinning some ideas here. you still have to find the one that suits your needs. May 23 17:00:05 it looks like work has been done on making MyDocs ext3 on the bugtracker - not perfect though May 23 17:00:17 that'd be ideal - then I can just use the mass storage to put files on/off May 23 17:01:43 "An HP exec says that his company's upcoming TouchPad will overtake the current tablet-market dominator, Apple's iPad." May 23 17:02:16 unless it costs half of what the ipad costs and gets heavily marketed, he's delusional May 23 17:02:51 Meanwhile: "Chinese army develop first-person shooter game... with U.S. troops as the enemy" May 23 17:08:59 http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Successful-timing-attacks-on-elliptic-curve-cryptography-1247772.html your ssl may be broken May 23 17:11:53 pupnik_: that's BS May 23 17:12:05 pupnik_: there are no timing attacks that can be executed in real life May 23 17:12:25 yet May 23 17:12:38 never May 23 17:12:54 in any modern OS timing depends so many random things May 23 17:13:02 that you can't really get usefull information May 23 17:13:07 cf May 23 17:13:58 it says they did it May 23 17:14:13 on localhost tho May 23 17:14:29 it's just a curious result May 23 17:14:36 but good point jacekowski May 23 17:14:39 but still, it might lead to remote attacks May 23 17:14:59 well, so far only timing attack that succeded was attack on modified version of openssl May 23 17:15:09 that was modified to report all timing information May 23 17:15:26 rdtsc timing information to be precise May 23 17:17:13 you need precise amount of clock cycles May 23 17:17:44 What are typically good places to start looking when the rootfs is full? May 23 17:17:51 / May 23 17:18:02 Very good May 23 17:18:50 I don't remember - find works though May 23 17:18:59 /dev/random is usualy a bad place to look May 23 17:19:08 What's the meego conf channel - I mislaid it May 23 17:21:25 Gyjf: why not? you can find anything in there May 23 17:21:59 yea May 23 17:23:29 as they say; with a milion computers doing cat /dev/random and infinite time eventually it will come up with the complete works of Stallman May 23 17:27:00 but... he's not dead yet! May 23 17:30:52 with an milion pcs and infite time you can tell the future :P May 23 17:33:39 MohammadAG: ok I compared the status menu code in advanced power its in the file maemo5.py May 23 17:33:51 and it looks like the code I used May 23 17:34:35 My problem is: when I put my program in /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ May 23 17:34:49 and a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/ May 23 17:35:05 I can see a button in the hildon status menu in my N900 May 23 17:35:37 however when I add the .desktop file of the openvpn-applet , my button disappears May 23 17:35:51 I have now idea why this happen May 23 17:36:43 here is my UI code: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1233053 May 23 17:51:09 what's in ##overflow? May 23 17:56:08 maybe any of the new members that joined can help me with maemo 5 status menu UI May 23 17:56:18 here is my UI code: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1233053 May 23 17:56:37 when I add the .desktop file of the openvpn-applet , my button disappears May 23 17:56:43 why? May 23 18:05:50 guys, anybody used sygic? i reflashed my device and dont know which is the latest version of sygic May 23 18:06:09 is it mobile-maps_8.1.2_armel.deb ? May 23 18:16:55 Nokia-N900:~# mount -t ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1 May 23 18:16:55 rmount: mounting /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 failed: Invalid argument May 23 18:17:00 Any ideas? May 23 18:17:11 (I just did mkfs.ext3...) May 23 18:19:29 Wizzup: try reinsert your sdcard May 23 18:19:44 ok May 23 18:20:37 * Wizzup accidentilly the battery as well :) May 23 18:21:02 oh :)) May 23 18:21:21 are you root? May 23 18:21:51 yes May 23 18:22:19 Still the same. ugh May 23 18:22:30 Worst thing is it doesn't show errors in dmesg either May 23 18:23:40 wuut. It's at the old fs still... May 23 18:23:41 oh wow. May 23 18:24:19 well that explains. May 23 18:26:30 Wow. Wait what. I just unmounted it; did mkfs.ext3 on it; I mount it again and the fs is still there. May 23 18:26:48 I'm lost. May 23 18:28:24 is there a guide how to package a python home applet? May 23 18:33:31 shhh.. everyone... conference in progress May 23 18:33:36 ;P May 23 18:37:46 what? May 23 18:38:06 * thomasjfox wonders why the maemo alarm clock always takes about three seconds to load May 23 18:38:15 if you find out, tell me May 23 18:38:28 that damn alarm clock May 23 18:43:27 guys.. most of the people who can help you are kinda occupied with SF MeggGoConf atm May 23 18:46:31 msg from chanop: pupnik, please stay on topic and DO NOT INSULT OR GO XXX, this isn't #politics and (usually) a worksafe chan May 23 18:47:01 ok, wtf. May 23 18:47:48 hi javispedro May 23 18:48:01 i sometimes get out of line :D May 23 18:48:30 hello pupnik May 23 18:49:00 so what happened with the meego conference, did you go? May 23 18:49:18 the satanists took over skype and nokia May 23 18:49:29 nope, sadly :( May 23 18:49:32 ah May 23 18:49:40 well they're inside intel too May 23 18:50:16 'intel inside' is a nice joke May 23 18:50:20 like IX XI May 23 18:50:50 connect the dots ;) May 23 18:51:13 heh May 23 18:51:32 seems that it is utterly impossible to find a freenode staffer May 23 18:52:31 i know some May 23 18:53:08 why do you need one May 23 18:53:37 my cloak is so outdated May 23 18:54:40 has your interest in free software expanded to the theory of freedom in a more general sense? May 23 18:55:52 it necessarily includes understanding threats to data privacy May 23 18:56:05 too many people pretend they don't exist May 23 19:14:15 ~seen X-Fade May 23 19:14:22 x-fade is currently on #maemo (3d 8h 49m 46s) #meego (3d 8h 49m 46s), last said: 'lbt: first.last @ nokia.'. May 23 19:24:50 ^^lol at the maemo topic : PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED, and keep clear of that shit! ( May 23 19:24:52 :) May 23 19:25:22 is Meego'suboot safe? May 23 19:25:42 afaik yes May 23 19:26:48 as long as you don't do power kernel stuff IIRC May 23 19:27:21 uboot works fine with pr1.3 for me May 23 19:42:03 is there anyone avail to help with python gtk on hildon here? May 23 19:42:21 i cant get a Ui simaler to openvpn-applet to work May 23 19:42:44 is there a release date for the N9 yet? May 23 19:57:47 hi lardman May 23 19:57:51 are you in SF? May 23 20:05:44 cityLights: hi, no I'm afraid not May 23 20:06:31 are you still in the open source sceane? May 23 20:06:49 yes, though I've not done much for a few months May 23 20:07:10 GAN900: Issue published May 23 20:07:17 are you in germany - by any chance? May 23 20:07:30 no, England May 23 20:07:55 damn May 23 20:08:04 why's that? May 23 20:08:13 wish someone here could help me with the UI May 23 20:08:24 I am at munich this weekend May 23 20:08:38 was hoping to meet ppl May 23 20:08:41 import ppl May 23 20:08:43 ah ok, sorry May 23 20:09:11 hrw, disappeared May 23 20:10:11 yeah I've not seen him in a while I agree May 23 20:10:25 uboot works great with powerkernel for me May 23 20:10:34 dm8tbr: ^^^ May 23 20:12:45 cityLights: when do you arrive in karlsruhe? May 23 20:13:22 30th May 23 20:13:28 16:00 May 23 20:13:41 hehe 20:00 is KaLUG meeting .. May 23 20:13:59 see you for dinner there then :P May 23 20:14:10 will it be interesting for me? May 23 20:14:31 I hope to meet my family when arriving May 23 20:14:42 there are few n900 owners .. christop who programmed the gui for monav May 23 20:14:42 and solve this ui issue May 23 20:14:48 some OSM people May 23 20:14:55 hmmmm May 23 20:14:59 and after all a lot nice linux geeks May 23 20:15:05 do you speak german? May 23 20:15:21 I understand little May 23 20:16:08 got an address? May 23 20:16:16 for KaLUG meeting May 23 20:16:31 meeting at a restaurant .. "Wacht am Rhein" .. very central in the city May 23 20:16:43 want coordinates? :) May 23 20:16:51 YES pls May 23 20:16:52 well its described on kalug.de May 23 20:16:56 great! May 23 20:17:48 DocScrutinizer: ah nice to know! May 23 20:18:06 DocScrutinizer: I only remembered there was some episode initially :) May 23 20:18:09 I hope that is indeed am not in May 23 20:18:27 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.004341&lon=8.397932&zoom=18&layers=M May 23 20:18:42 with Rhein following of course May 23 20:19:23 lardman: ?? May 23 20:19:43 watching in the Rhein sounds less pleasant May 23 20:20:14 hehe Wacht old name for toll-station May 23 20:20:36 ah I see the meaning now May 23 20:20:45 the owner formerly (years ago) had a restaurant close to the rhine river outside of the city May 23 20:21:00 they moved into the city but retained the name May 23 20:21:19 funny enough here in N we got all the same May 23 20:21:29 except any Rhein nearby May 23 20:21:36 N? May 23 20:21:45 Nbg May 23 20:21:50 ah ok :) May 23 20:22:04 very well May 23 20:22:11 you are in N center? May 23 20:22:16 yep May 23 20:22:19 I am going to dearm now May 23 20:22:20 a friend of me lives in Roth May 23 20:22:35 hope to catch you all tommorow May 23 20:22:40 have a good night May 23 20:22:41 o/ May 23 20:22:49 its long time overdue that we meet there to do some spirits black burning .. maybe we can once meet for a beer :P May 23 20:22:52 night cityLights May 23 20:23:08 (or a mikl, coke or whatever) May 23 20:23:11 bye lardman May 23 20:23:14 sure May 23 20:24:07 anyone coming to FrOSCon btw? .. i just added our project submission so i will be definitively there May 23 20:25:27 ~seen mikkov May 23 20:25:39 mikkov is currently on #maemo (4d 10h 35m 13s) #meego (4d 10h 35m 13s), last said: 'http://ecoach.garage.maemo.org/'. May 23 20:26:02 i am here May 23 20:26:09 hi there May 23 20:26:21 hi May 23 20:26:26 listen I really need your help with hildon UI May 23 20:26:41 I asked here since the morning and no one helped May 23 20:26:55 well MohammadAG helped but I need more May 23 20:27:14 about what? May 23 20:27:20 I am writing a new program to silent the phone when in a meeting May 23 20:27:49 I used your code to see how to write the hildon status menu UI May 23 20:28:12 cityLights, I thought n900 had a silent mode already? May 23 20:28:27 just tap power button and select "Silent" May 23 20:28:31 and I see a button in my N900 with the name I gave it May 23 20:28:33 BUT May 23 20:29:00 if I add YOUR openvpn-applet - my button disappears May 23 20:29:11 in the status menu, it is selectable by clicking "Profile" May 23 20:29:18 luck - I want the phone to do it by itself May 23 20:29:46 cityLights: you are probably registering your applet with openvpn-applet name May 23 20:29:48 lcuk - the calender allready shows I am in a meeting May 23 20:30:09 yes, I tought this may happen May 23 20:30:14 where can I see this? May 23 20:30:29 this is my code: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1233053 May 23 20:30:39 I am so glad mikkov is around May 23 20:30:58 I wasted a lot of time trying to figure this issue out May 23 20:31:14 most of the openvpn-applet code is easy to follow May 23 20:32:15 check the .desktop file May 23 20:32:44 can it be line 132: obj = gobject.new(hd_plugin_type, plugin_id="plugin_id") May 23 20:32:50 I need to check things a little bit, since I forgot how things work May 23 20:32:53 min pasteing it May 23 20:33:06 you are very kind May 23 20:37:06 mikkov: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1233106 May 23 20:43:18 difficult to give an answer, actually May 23 20:43:33 :-/ May 23 20:43:50 I tried : obj = gobject.new(hd_plugin_type, plugin_id="switch") May 23 20:43:56 got the same issue May 23 20:44:20 that code is inactive when run as plugin May 23 20:44:36 I don't know if it works otherwise either May 23 20:45:12 can you see any line similer to your code , that can cause overlap? May 23 20:46:24 what is your main class called? May 23 20:46:37 switchProfByMeeting May 23 20:47:30 What's this about qgil's talk getting rejected? What was it going to be out? May 23 20:48:53 ShadowJK: what? isn't qgil allowed to talk about anything he damn well pleases? :P May 23 20:49:04 ~ping May 23 20:49:06 ~pong May 23 20:49:19 cityLights: not really May 23 20:49:20 talk/presentation May 23 20:49:58 Are there any talks from Nokians at this conference??? May 23 20:50:46 timeless, but is he ex-? :) May 23 20:50:46 mikkov: what? pls explain May 23 20:51:26 answering to this cityLights: can you see any line similer to your code , that can cause overlap? :) May 23 20:52:22 there could be bug in openvpn-applet or even in hildon-desktop-python-loader May 23 20:52:59 even if I remove the if __name__ == "__main__": line May 23 20:53:07 i get the same problem May 23 20:53:30 so even if I register with a new plugin_id="switch" May 23 20:54:12 that code should be removed, it has no function May 23 20:54:16 yet advance power looks fine... May 23 20:54:25 here is the documentation http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/HildonDesktop May 23 20:54:43 advance power also uses python and hildon-status-menu May 23 20:55:10 ya I know mikkov, yet it doesnt work May 23 20:56:12 can you please test? May 23 20:56:20 I pasted both files May 23 20:56:46 /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/switchProfByMeeting.desktop May 23 20:57:02 and /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/switchProfByMeeting.py May 23 20:57:13 do you see the same issue on your N900? May 23 21:02:06 22:57 -!- #zoneminder Cannot send to channel May 23 21:09:30 can't really test anything now May 23 21:10:18 thnaks May 23 21:10:27 bye foe now, off to sleep May 23 21:22:18 do any of the n900 apps support exposure lock? it tends to be bundled with exposure lock in low digital cameras May 23 21:22:46 *low end digital cameras May 23 21:23:23 you have checked out blessn900? May 23 21:23:55 * Sicelo_ doesn't have N900, so can't really say for sure what is there camera-wise May 23 21:24:01 i'll check again but it didn't work on the buttton depress May 23 21:25:41 Is there a way to have the calender on N900 to have a schedule who repeats every second week? May 23 21:26:00 no May 23 21:29:49 u sure cityLights ? May 23 21:30:27 iirc blessn900 is postprocessing? May 23 21:30:40 yes May 23 21:38:27 Malin_: no May 23 21:38:56 tppercy: fcam can do fixed exposures. May 23 21:39:23 tppercy: Aso - you do know it's a rolling shutter>?\ May 23 21:43:10 SpeedEvil...was just playing with fcam...but exposure lock shouldn't be a problem...seeing manual exposure is supported...you'd just be 'locking' auto? May 23 21:43:57 Well - you set the exposure - you don't lock it as such. May 23 21:44:06 If you wanted - you could add that feature to fcam May 23 21:44:40 i mean partiall depress the shutter to lock exposure while shutter button is depressed May 23 21:45:23 can the shutter button support that? May 23 21:46:02 The shutter button supports nothing. May 23 21:46:22 It outputs either 0,1,2 - for the not pressed, half pressed, or fully pressed state. May 23 21:46:51 Making it do anything the hardware is capable of is a software problem. May 23 21:47:49 speedevil: cool thanks...yes...wasn't sure it supported the half pressed state May 23 21:48:10 the default app uses it for focus May 23 21:50:23 yeah thats what it felt like...but wasn't sure if i was assuming it was doing that May 23 22:24:23 hey when flashing from amd64 linux - can i just force-architecture install the deb package? May 23 22:24:33 yes May 23 22:24:51 jacekowski, no probs then I take it? May 23 22:25:34 in most cases no May 23 22:27:32 yeah it's working fine May 23 22:27:51 strange no one thought to build a 64bit version when the old n810 flasher had one May 23 22:39:47 Malin_: cityLights: SpeedEvil: I think I heard of imported from google biweekly appointments working just fine on N900 calendar May 23 22:39:53 hmm May 23 22:40:16 so it's probably a frontend limitation as usual May 23 22:41:24 wasn't there even a ticket for that? May 23 22:41:42 or a thread on tmo May 23 22:44:00 wow preenv is cool.. coolest games May 23 22:48:14 There was a bug, yes. May 23 22:59:14 MohammadAG: are we going to see a post pic option in sociality anytime soon? May 23 22:59:37 merlin1991, yes May 23 23:00:02 merlin1991, right now, I'm working on threading and I broke the app :p May 23 23:00:07 perfect :D May 23 23:00:31 last time I wanted to attach a pic i checked and found the attach vid button May 23 23:00:37 wtf vid but not pic? :D May 23 23:00:47 just attach a link to the pic :p May 23 23:01:40 that way I'd have to upload it somewhere though May 23 23:01:50 also whatabout infeed pics? May 23 23:02:01 atm you get links that open the browser if there's a pic in a feed May 23 23:04:36 merlin1991, the next version has a lot of stuff :p May 23 23:04:48 * merlin1991 wants it now May 23 23:04:51 I'll upload it in a bit, once I remove my password from the source May 23 23:05:07 your password in the source? oO? May 23 23:06:18 merlin1991, chat implementation :P May 23 23:06:35 there is fb chat for c&c already May 23 23:07:59 well, I'm not done with it so the button will just be hidden May 23 23:08:09 btw sources anywhere? May 23 23:08:24 gitorious, but I haven't committed since my password's there :p May 23 23:09:14 damn it I even looked there May 23 23:09:26 but you fooled me with the qtbook name :D May 23 23:13:51 merlin1991, pass removed May 23 23:14:21 MohammadAG: that's the unintresting part, gitorious pushed is more intresting ;) May 23 23:16:58 hey all May 23 23:17:00 merlin1991, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/sociality May 23 23:17:17 don't complain about speed :p May 23 23:17:34 MohammadAG: speed is so slow May 23 23:17:43 merlin1991, thanks May 23 23:17:54 I didn't even dl it yet :P May 23 23:17:58 I know May 23 23:18:00 xD May 23 23:18:04 where does the -devel package put the binary? May 23 23:18:08 I could've pulled a that's what she said... May 23 23:18:16 /opt/usr/bin/sociality May 23 23:22:23 Lo, where can I get the fiasco-gen utility from? (for i386 or amd64) May 23 23:22:39 just wanna merge a layout file and a custom mmc image together May 23 23:22:55 installing the SDK at the moment to see if it's in there - but it's taking forever to download May 23 23:23:02 WTF May 23 23:23:14 you can't, it's only available for armel May 23 23:23:33 oh :S May 23 23:23:34 I can't run a simple script that removes sociality and updates it May 23 23:23:40 permission denied, even as root May 23 23:23:41 so wait for the SDK to finish, "forever" isn't too long :p May 23 23:23:48 merlin1991, n00b May 23 23:23:50 :p May 23 23:24:39 MohammadAG: true, forgot to chmod +x it May 23 23:25:32 LMFAO May 23 23:26:19 hm it crashed May 23 23:26:44 interesting May 23 23:26:59 you going to lol even more May 23 23:27:10 fogot to chmod +x sociality in the update script too May 23 23:27:19 but funny that h-d shows me the spalsh May 23 23:27:21 and then the window dies May 23 23:28:09 I'm sure it never crashes May 23 23:28:15 only takes some time to parse the news feed May 23 23:28:58 ah now it's missing libQtFeedback.so May 23 23:29:01 wich package? May 23 23:29:30 umm May 23 23:30:20 I shouldn't be linking against that... May 23 23:31:02 merlin1991, get the new binary May 23 23:33:30 MohammadAG: now I'm missing libq-extras.so May 23 23:34:25 install q-extras May 23 23:37:43 msg from chanop: pupnik, please stay on topic and DO NOT INSULT OR GO XXX, this isn't #politics and (usually) a worksafe chan May 23 23:37:47 lol May 23 23:38:18 you fucks know the israelis made the 8088 May 23 23:38:33 and the centrino May 23 23:38:46 oh lawl May 23 23:38:57 they are pwning security May 23 23:39:07 your linux is hopeless May 23 23:39:15 your hardware is pent May 23 23:39:53 pupnik: you joined to hold one of your monologues ? May 23 23:40:42 i'm not going to live long May 23 23:40:56 MohammadAG: now I'm @ undefinded symbol: _ZTIN10QtMobility13QGeoMapObjectE May 23 23:41:17 merlin1991, apt-get install libqtm-12 May 23 23:41:22 the newest version May 23 23:41:51 you don[t understand what the whole maemo thing was about May 23 23:42:10 elop won May 23 23:42:17 he need to ... eh May 23 23:43:27 Maemo got killed before Elop. May 23 23:43:37 Intel killed it. May 23 23:43:48 That, and nokias interaction with Meego. May 23 23:44:11 SpeedEvil freedom May 23 23:44:37 * SpeedEvil ponders making a carbon fibre seat. May 23 23:44:57 MohammadAG: even with libqtm I have the same undefined symbol May 23 23:45:16 fuck the nazis May 23 23:45:39 pupnik: are you drunk or something? May 23 23:45:54 open your eyes May 23 23:47:21 we have lost May 23 23:48:07 you know what they are sucking up May 23 23:48:29 every phone call May 23 23:48:33 goes to israel May 23 23:48:53 lol May 23 23:49:05 fsk May 23 23:49:53 merlin1991, think I'm gonna have to complain to achipa about that May 23 23:50:25 merlin1991, can you try something? May 23 23:50:29 * DocScrutinizer too tired May 23 23:50:30 ls /usr/lib/libQtLocation* May 23 23:51:42 MohammadAG: /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1 /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1.0.2 /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1.0 May 23 23:51:56 why the fuck is 1.2 1.0.2 May 23 23:52:05 ls -l /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1 May 23 23:52:25 points to 1.0.2 May 23 23:52:52 ls -l that May 23 23:53:10 heh May 23 23:53:50 because nokia should have used qt to begin with and not try to piece qt into a gtk base after the fact May 23 23:54:03 goes to /op/lib/libQtLocations.so.1.0.2 May 23 23:54:19 qt wasn't available to the n770 May 23 23:54:51 merlin1991, is that a symlink? May 23 23:55:00 SpeedEvil, s/n770/770/ May 23 23:55:01 yes May 23 23:55:09 Nokia-N900:~# ls -l /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1.0.2 May 23 23:55:09 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Sep 10 2010 /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1.0.2 -> /opt/lib/libQtLocation.so.1.0.2 May 23 23:55:19 no, I meant /opt/lib/libQtLocation.so.1.0.2 May 23 23:55:38 lnot that one's a file May 23 23:57:02 Are ext2 or ext3 formatted MicroSD cards meant to work with the N900? May 23 23:57:15 No. May 23 23:57:15 i just get "Memory card format unsupported" on file manager May 23 23:57:22 You need to mount them manually. May 23 23:57:31 Or hack the mount scripts May 23 23:57:38 merlin1991, sec May 23 23:58:08 SpeedEvil, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7153#c10 May 23 23:58:10 Bug 7153: Built-in MMC scripts only support FAT-formatted May 23 23:58:24 y May 23 23:58:31 SpeedEvil, this guy aapo.rantalainen is claiming it works fine with pr 1.3 May 23 23:58:35 MohammadAG: I dl the .deb of libqtm-12-location May 23 23:58:43 and the file there is called libQtLocation.so.1.2 May 23 23:58:44 Lantizia: Well - bother him then. May 23 23:58:52 seems the apt install of it failed May 23 23:59:03 I have an ext3 mmc - and it doesn't automount. May 23 23:59:08 I don't know what he may be doing. May 23 23:59:26 this entirely sucks May 23 23:59:47 merlin1991, hmm May 23 23:59:49 mydocs can't be ext3 without hacking it, even the damned microsd can't be May 24 00:00:34 Lantizia: that's cause both are meant to get exported via mass storage May 24 00:00:46 did a apt-get install --reinstall libqtm-12-location and still missing the fiels May 24 00:00:50 ls May 24 00:00:59 DocScrutinizer, a ext3 mydocs does get exported as mass storage just fine May 24 00:01:20 defeats the purpose though May 24 00:01:22 merlin1991, yeah, complain to achipa when he's on May 24 00:01:27 I'll upload my self built lib May 24 00:02:40 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/libQtLocation.so.1.2.0 May 24 00:02:46 wait a bit May 24 00:02:48 it's still uploading May 24 00:02:56 Lantizia: but yeah, I agree the maemo stuff jas way too many hardcoded strange hacks May 24 00:02:59 just replace /usr/lib/libQtLocation.1 directly, for testing purposes May 24 00:03:50 Lantizia: and /opt(ification) is the worst of them May 24 00:04:21 MohammadAG: found out why May 24 00:04:29 merlin1991, why? May 24 00:04:34 it installs to /opt/qtm12/lib May 24 00:04:49 well yes, besides that May 24 00:04:55 no symlinks to /usr/lib/? May 24 00:04:55 you have to work for freedom of information May 24 00:04:56 I just don't want stone age FAT32 that can't handle files named with these characters! " * : < > ? \ | May 24 00:05:01 for /usr Nokia messed up A), which meant nobody noticed they messed several things in B), and finally they did C) to "fix" it, which as well is odd May 24 00:05:04 i have music that uses them! May 24 00:05:16 DocScrutinizer: you have to work for it May 24 00:05:19 and no symlinks to /usr/lib May 24 00:06:14 MohammadAG: the package only installs the libs to /opt/qtm12/lib May 24 00:06:25 merlin1991, could you try rm /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1 && ln -s /opt/qtm12/libQtLocation.so.1.2.0 /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1 May 24 00:06:28 but does no setup to add them to /usr/lib May 24 00:06:32 nah May 24 00:06:59 CONFIG += mobility12 is already messed up, can't it handle that crap properly... May 24 00:07:19 pupnik: you got no idea what I'm doing all day and night - maybe I'm already a great fighter for informational freedom. -- but I honestly doubt we're talking about your monologs here and that you'd attribute that as information May 24 00:07:23 I'll start sociality with a different LD_LIBRARY_PATH May 24 00:07:38 * merlin1991 goes to edit a few fileds May 24 00:09:16 merlin1991, could you try the new binary? I added QApplication::addLibraryPath("/opt/qtm12/lib") to it May 24 00:09:21 still upping May 24 00:10:07 tell me when it's up May 24 00:10:11 merlin1991, upped May 24 00:10:14 :p May 24 00:10:46 MohammadAG: still same stuff May 24 00:11:31 grr May 24 00:11:56 but adding "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/qtm12/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH" into your sociality startupscript fixes it ;) May 24 00:12:06 that's annoying... May 24 00:13:25 merlin1991, oh, did I mention profile images are cached now? May 24 00:13:37 say hi to /home/user/.cache/MohammadAG/sociality/ May 24 00:13:40 omg yay May 24 00:14:14 oh and notifications aren't reparsed unless they changed May 24 00:14:21 so you won't see the avatar disappearing bit May 24 00:14:35 you should resize the "like" buttons in the comments view May 24 00:14:46 especially in portrait they are too big May 24 00:15:00 add favorites (title bar menu) works now, hold icon to delete favorite May 24 00:15:20 merlin1991, the comments are a "hack", they're the same widget with "Comment" hidden :p May 24 00:15:31 that's why like stretches, it takes up the comment buttons' place May 24 00:15:34 button's* May 24 00:15:47 merlin1991, check out application settings May 24 00:16:19 MohammadAG: I didn't mean the horizontal size but the vertikal size May 24 00:16:41 hmm, that's new May 24 00:16:50 they should use the standard 70 size May 24 00:17:03 also go to app seting, bail out May 24 00:17:08 don't get it back anymore May 24 00:17:14 what? May 24 00:17:24 sry, was hitting account settings instead May 24 00:17:43 lol May 24 00:18:08 but I still don't see the attach pic button May 24 00:18:20 merlin1991, patience is a virtue :p May 24 00:19:24 on the other hand, whiping a dev can have astonishing results May 24 00:21:20 lol May 24 00:21:49 merlin1991, try hitting a youtube link May 24 00:21:53 that's right, it won't work May 24 00:22:00 * MohammadAG still can't figure it out May 24 00:22:02 don't have any :D May 24 00:23:20 merlin1991, lies, you do now May 24 00:23:30 don't know your taste, so I put two links :p May 24 00:23:46 porn and another type of porn? May 24 00:24:40 we both know that doesn't exist on youtube May 24 00:24:59 unless 4chan starts another youtoube porn operation May 24 00:26:30 MohammadAG: when you click on the link from profile it does *something* May 24 00:28:20 merlin1991, opens a phonon window May 24 00:28:28 that isn't streaming for some reason May 24 00:28:37 I tried using Qt Multimedia -> 403 forbidden May 24 00:29:30 phonon doesn't have error reporting apparently... May 24 00:35:29 phonon EEEEWWW May 24 00:36:43 at least it uses gstreamer... May 24 00:37:13 well, another layer over a layer over a soundserver over ALSA May 24 00:38:57 phonon might be nice for some of the advanced concepts, like unified media handling, but in the end it's just another fuckedup bit of KDE4 that replaces ARTS which never worked for me May 24 00:39:46 and phonon is acting up on KDE4 way more often than the old ARTS bae May 24 00:40:02 based concept that at least offered alternative audio May 24 00:42:23 I don't like the API tbh May 24 00:42:39 QtMultimedia seems to be better May 24 00:42:50 but it's not taking the damn cookie I pass to it May 24 00:45:48 what's the command to suspend a PC? May 24 00:48:27 echo ram >/sys/power/state May 24 00:48:30 Or is it mem May 24 00:48:33 I can never remember May 24 00:49:26 mem May 24 00:50:10 though you probably want to use a cmdline tool like s2ram or whatever it's called May 24 00:51:21 ol May 24 00:51:23 lol May 24 00:51:33 how fucking dumb can you be May 24 00:51:52 shit swallowers May 24 00:51:59 how does it feel DocScrutinizer May 24 00:52:10 om nom nom May 24 00:52:14 indeed how fsckng dumb can I be May 24 00:52:16 glug glug glug May 24 00:56:15 wtf is wrong with him May 24 01:02:30 nothing new, just getting worse May 24 01:04:36 mhm May 24 01:06:11 I installed Hildon UI on my ubuntu computer, But I can not find session for Hildon to startup . how to open Hildon ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 24 01:08:22 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 24 05:32:15 2011 May 24 06:16:35 Hello , when I want to use flasher , flasher said suitable usb device not found and can't detect my cell in ubuntu , how can I fixt it ? May 24 06:42:08 karname, have you set the maemo device into USB mode? May 24 06:42:25 s/USB/flashing/ May 24 06:42:25 psycho_oreos meant: karname, have you set the maemo device into flashing mode? May 24 06:42:33 yes May 24 06:43:02 is the ubuntu inside virtual machine? May 24 06:43:53 no May 24 06:44:05 real machine May 24 06:44:07 did you ran flasher as root? May 24 06:45:09 yes May 24 06:46:23 what is the lsusb output of the device in flashing mode? May 24 06:48:00 try this.. launch flasher with the device disconnected... then plug it in when it's waiting(also make sure the device is off) May 24 06:48:18 I second this May 24 06:48:20 usually works for me May 24 06:48:38 another option is hold u key while plugging in... May 24 06:49:23 I believe there is some difference whether the keyboard is open or not too. May 24 06:49:55 not for flashing iirc May 24 06:50:00 ^^ May 24 06:50:33 If the USB's plugged in when it first boots, it will attempt to connect to the flasher(usb icon for a second or so) May 24 06:50:45 No matter if the keyboard's in or out May 24 06:51:06 holding u while plugging in just forces it iirc May 24 07:24:25 good morning May 24 07:25:10 MohamadAG: awake? May 24 07:27:55 florian: hi May 24 07:28:13 well some oe ppl just came in , hi guys May 24 07:28:37 I am still seeking for help on the python hildon status menu issue May 24 07:28:54 it may be a bug, but i dout it May 24 07:29:37 hi cityLights May 24 07:29:44 morning May 24 07:53:38 still loving this keyboard on my n900 May 24 07:53:39 heh May 24 07:55:26 did anything exciting occur in the SF afternoon sessions? May 24 07:56:25 sf afternoon sessions? May 24 07:56:27 * lardman goes looking for the irc logs May 24 07:56:31 Meego conf May 24 07:56:32 heh May 24 07:56:34 oh May 24 07:56:36 probably not May 24 07:56:39 :) May 24 07:56:43 talk is cheap May 24 07:56:57 I know it's OT, but the meego channels are generally just filled with tumbleweeds May 24 07:56:59 need to decide on train May 24 07:57:45 Macer: I understand the council had a discussion of Harmattan with Quim May 24 07:57:50 s/of/about May 24 07:58:44 haha May 24 07:58:52 i wil believe in meego when i see it on thge n900 May 24 07:59:07 and i mean a functional one.. not the pre subalpha that i tried a month ago May 24 07:59:28 plus... my keyboard works in maemo... i don't think i really need anything else as long as the apps are updated May 24 07:59:41 i will work on trying to make debs if i can May 24 08:00:04 oh I agree, it would be good to see some new hw though May 24 08:00:26 any german ppl? May 24 08:00:46 lardman: i suppose. wasn't there some thing in eu they were selling with meego on it? May 24 08:00:53 what do I need to consider when booking a train online May 24 08:01:02 Macer: WeTab? May 24 08:01:08 any release dates for the N9? May 24 08:01:10 yeah May 24 08:01:16 mece: isn't that meego? May 24 08:01:21 oops May 24 08:01:26 i wonder if anybody has one May 24 08:01:30 cityLights: god i hope there is one soon May 24 08:01:32 i am salivating May 24 08:01:35 Macer, isn't that what you asked? May 24 08:01:39 and i need to pawn my n900 before prices tank further May 24 08:01:46 or do they even sell them yet? it kind of reminds me of the touchbook May 24 08:03:48 what a horrid invention that thign was May 24 08:03:56 total made in china cheap garbage May 24 08:05:58 Macer, you mean like all other electronic devices now-a-days May 24 08:15:04 Macer: I am seeking for the train station in frankfurt airport, what is the name of that station? May 24 08:15:19 how do I say air port in german? May 24 08:15:29 cityLights: there was a bigbrother award given for all the unneeded details DB catches for a ticket May 24 08:15:48 cityLights: flughafen but airport should work May 24 08:16:32 I see two flughafen options May 24 08:16:39 which? May 24 08:16:42 lmc May 24 08:17:14 one has a suffix of fernbf May 24 08:17:22 ah where are you coming from? May 24 08:17:32 what is ferbnf ? May 24 08:17:46 karlsruhe to frankfurt airport May 24 08:18:03 actualy both should work, the one fernbnf is for out of town May 24 08:18:06 is it a dffrent station for in coming and otgoing flight? May 24 08:18:13 no May 24 08:18:40 ok so flughafen is fine to board a flight May 24 08:19:04 Frankfurt(M)Flughafen May 24 08:19:05 they build up a huge thing just next to the airport, that is fernbf and looks like battlestar andromeda May 24 08:19:08 what is M? May 24 08:19:49 was this the niko from golden delicius ? May 24 08:19:51 "Main" a locations specifier as there are many Frankfurts in germany May 24 08:20:01 o ok May 24 08:20:51 Main is a river through it, the other larger Frankfurt is "Oder" and located just at the border to poland May 24 08:21:07 thanks May 24 08:21:21 I bother my SO enougth tring to book the first ticket May 24 08:21:41 munich -> karlsruhe May 24 08:21:44 kulve: around? May 24 08:22:03 figured I would rather spend 4hr more in munich May 24 08:22:22 if you search frankfurt (m) flughafen for from karlsruhe the trains listed end at Fernbf May 24 08:23:05 Isee May 24 08:23:18 now i see its 37 euro May 24 08:23:24 for a 1hr trip May 24 08:23:38 aint there any cheaper way May 24 08:23:40 gosh May 24 08:24:05 trains go every full clock the odd hours have a trainchange in mannheim May 24 08:24:27 exchange time is about 12mins May 24 08:24:45 cityLights: not if you are on a short schedule May 24 08:24:46 but 37 euro is very expensive imho May 24 08:24:51 right? May 24 08:25:00 when is your departure May 24 08:25:22 I aim to arrive at frankfurt airport at around 19:00 May 24 08:25:31 boarding starts at 20:00 May 24 08:25:32 tonight? May 24 08:25:37 31 May 24 08:26:38 oyu can have 27eur for 2.5h journey May 24 08:26:43 Compartment type? "-| May 24 08:26:45 help May 24 08:27:13 you want to just get a ticket right? May 24 08:27:19 uhm May 24 08:27:25 i live in chicago May 24 08:27:25 assume I dont have a laptop (got the N900) what is the diffrence May 24 08:27:33 nfc May 24 08:27:38 hi Macer, ok May 24 08:28:00 I forgot what german trains are like May 24 08:28:20 open saloon with table is good - right? May 24 08:28:25 n900 counts as mobile phone May 24 08:28:50 cityLights: you are booking seats for a 1h trip? May 24 08:28:59 will I have a power socket in the "Open saloon with table" May 24 08:29:00 ? May 24 08:29:04 ye May 24 08:29:06 yes May 24 08:29:09 yeah there is May 24 08:29:38 on top or beneath the table is a power socket May 24 08:29:42 no idea what Compartment is May 24 08:29:57 i guess that I would be stock with three other ppl May 24 08:30:20 but all I need is a socket May 24 08:30:21 little box 6-8 seats May 24 08:30:33 do you preffer it? May 24 08:30:51 we only have Open saloon with table in the israel trains May 24 08:31:04 and no quiet zones May 24 08:31:08 too bad May 24 08:31:10 twin seats over saloon table over compartment May 24 08:31:22 blah May 24 08:31:41 was sure the tablet ment socket May 24 08:31:45 and more space May 24 08:31:51 yeah right May 24 08:32:15 so why Open saloon better then Open saloon with table May 24 08:32:17 but ice is "more space" anyway May 24 08:32:39 or is twin seats != Open saloon May 24 08:32:44 I just prefer to sit with only one guy next to me instead of 3 on the table May 24 08:32:53 no twin seats is open saloon May 24 08:32:54 I agree May 24 08:33:26 ok I will choose a table just in case May 24 08:33:48 I just asked s/o for powersockets but there are several sockets in each saloon May 24 08:34:11 near every sit? May 24 08:34:24 some with some without May 24 08:34:31 afair May 24 08:35:17 last 10 times I hit an ICE I wasn't able to move one meter from the door so I'd stopped booking seats May 24 08:35:19 ok, seems I can place the order May 24 08:35:47 but that is mostly fridays rushhour May 24 08:35:50 2.5 euro commition? May 24 08:35:52 ice is a bad thing to hit. May 24 08:36:14 trist4n: well it is the best thing if you wanna go by train May 24 08:36:16 but this train is faster May 24 08:37:09 so you calim I may stand all the way? May 24 08:37:15 only 1hr... May 24 08:37:40 cityLights: well it's tuesday so no I guess you have an empty saloon anyway May 24 08:38:46 so no need to play an extra 2,5 euro.... ok May 24 08:39:21 TomaszD_: yes May 24 08:39:46 kulve: /msg May 24 08:40:35 cityLights: all circumstances may happen May 24 08:40:41 Moo all May 24 08:40:47 RST38h: moaning May 24 08:44:02 i hate season 5 of babylon 5 May 24 08:44:09 the oddball season May 24 08:44:34 does anyone know if Zaheer Merali is still around these parts? May 24 08:44:45 zaheerm was his nickname May 24 08:45:41 ~seen zaheerm May 24 08:45:51 zaheerm <~zaheer@93-97-43-61.zone5.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 325d 20h 47m 16s ago, saying: 'htc smart runs brew'. May 24 08:46:04 a year ago May 24 08:46:11 about... May 24 08:46:13 that doesn't bode well May 24 08:46:16 ok May 24 08:46:35 is anyone here competent and willing to take Extra Decoders Support over? May 24 08:52:57 anyone using youtube-dl? May 24 08:53:17 MohammadAG! May 24 08:53:23 hi May 24 08:53:23 was looking for you May 24 08:53:25 TomaszD_: you may ask that on the mailinglists May 24 08:53:30 I'm always around :p May 24 08:53:35 I checked with mikkov last night May 24 08:53:39 at least the bouncer is May 24 08:53:50 and he couldnt find anything wrong in my UI code May 24 08:54:20 why can advance power and openvpn applet live side by side in the status menu May 24 08:54:39 and my button disappers when I add openvpn applet? May 24 08:54:58 registering with the same name? May 24 08:55:11 dsmetook -k /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu May 24 08:55:20 DEBUG_OUTPUT=1 /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu May 24 08:55:24 that helps sometimes May 24 08:55:29 where is this registretion happening? the .desktop file? May 24 08:56:03 Not sure, but maybe osso or something in your code? May 24 08:56:06 where's your code? May 24 08:56:23 let me see May 24 08:57:19 is anyone here close to andre klapper? May 24 08:57:22 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1233106 May 24 08:58:53 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1233053 May 24 09:02:54 I dont see any register line in my code May 24 09:24:04 MohammadAG: there? May 24 09:30:17 ok, I am off to catch a train May 24 09:48:16 hm May 24 09:48:34 the mozilla repos I had enabled offered firefox beta upgrade May 24 09:48:44 this'll be interesting May 24 09:52:04 I'm running 6.0A1 nightlies, it works pretty well May 24 09:52:21 Occasional problems(Java can cause crashes), but overall it's fine May 24 09:53:10 um May 24 09:53:21 I don't want java on my n900? May 24 09:54:23 First impression is that it uses less ram than ff4 release May 24 09:54:39 the betas before used less ram than release too.. May 24 09:54:49 ok May 24 09:55:00 but there's corruption when entering text May 24 09:55:02 what are you rubbibg on java? May 24 09:55:51 i dont run java? May 24 09:56:03 oh, erm, I meant on my desktop. sorry. May 24 09:57:26 first crash :) May 24 09:58:50 no it's still a memory hog :) May 24 09:59:36 misses keystrokes.. May 24 10:12:46 ShadowJK, I crashed it when trying to write tmo post May 24 10:12:54 ShadowJK, if we're talking FF5 May 24 10:13:03 ya May 24 10:13:34 ShadowJK, semed marginally faster than ff4, but still checkerd all over :/ May 24 10:14:10 it crashed 9 times in 10 minutes for me :P May 24 10:14:17 good morning Maemo May 24 10:14:19 then N900 became so slow I closed it :) May 24 10:21:33 morning Venemo May 24 10:21:57 hey MohammadAG :) May 24 10:22:26 :-/ May 24 10:24:23 well I will move to learn how to package my applet May 24 10:24:34 hope to solve the UI issue May 24 10:28:40 ShadowJK: which repo have you active? I got no fennec upgrade May 24 10:31:08 deb http://moff.mozilla.com/latest-beta/maemo/multi/ fremantle release May 24 10:34:17 pressing update helps... May 24 10:34:33 s/update/refresh/ May 24 10:34:34 chem|st meant: pressing refresh helps... May 24 10:49:20 if only somebody could help me understnad why my code: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1233053 and openvpn applet are registrating under the same name in hildon status menu May 24 10:49:45 so when I run them both I can only see the openvpn applet button and not my May 24 10:51:25 brb May 24 11:01:15 citylights: no idea May 24 11:11:26 hmm does anyone know why my multiboot isn't showing up any more when i boot the n900? May 24 11:11:32 last time it showed up i had a choice of maemo, maemo power kernel, and nitdroid .......... chose maemo power kernel (could this be why)? May 24 11:12:28 Yes... May 24 11:12:33 erm May 24 11:12:35 wait May 24 11:12:36 i'd much rather use uboot to swap between maemo/android - but can't seem to find info on how May 24 11:13:09 If I had uboot and android, I'd use it in a heartbeat, but I personally refuse to use multiboot May 24 11:13:27 it does /bad things/ to the kernel partition: overwriting it each time you swap OS's May 24 11:14:04 well i'm googling - it seems someone has done uboot and droid, just can't find any cost hard howto May 24 11:14:11 *cold May 24 11:17:48 robbiethe1st, why can't you uboot android? May 24 11:18:44 You can, but noone's packaged it apparently May 24 11:18:52 at least, not that I've heard May 24 11:19:17 so you need to compile an uboot android image May 24 11:20:39 Probably... And I have no clue how either uboot or android works internally May 24 11:20:45 Nor know C May 24 11:21:53 MohammadAG had a trick on howto convert compressed kernel images into uboot based ones iirc May 24 11:23:44 symbian is actually not that stupid May 24 11:24:02 what an opening line May 24 11:24:05 * lolcat is installing skype on his N97 mini May 24 11:24:36 Can't wait for the N9 though May 24 11:25:57 lolcat: you cannot wait for anything new right? May 24 11:25:58 Disregard what I said about the N9 May 24 11:26:02 Symbian* May 24 11:26:17 chem|st: Like, that is going to revolutionatethe way I do phoning May 24 11:26:50 I use my n900 on a daily basis SIP skype GSM phoning May 24 11:28:24 until M$ says? what the hell is this linux client doing connecting :P May 24 11:28:48 chem|st: I have installed skype twice on my symbian phone, still no Skype icon, arrrgh May 24 11:28:48 get a wind0ze fone... DER FUN! May 24 11:28:53 Lantizia: they won't change skype services May 24 11:28:58 I have only used 173MB on my phone May 24 11:29:06 chem|st, nah they'd lose money - i was being sarcastic May 24 11:29:30 but if the libskype will come anytime soon the stars know May 24 11:29:50 i do expect skype usernames to become username@skype.com on the MSN network though May 24 11:30:07 Lantizia: won't happen anytime soon May 24 11:30:16 i.e. MS chooses their own protocol for text, but skypes for video/audio and merge May 24 11:30:25 question is... msn messenger for linux? May 24 11:30:41 and yeah i'd like the telepathy skype library for i386/amd64 May 24 11:30:55 Lantizia: sure how could I have msn without? (amsn) May 24 11:31:25 using skypes video/audio methods on msn though would break amsn's video/audio May 24 11:31:30 I think that maemo was the first tryout for bugtesting libskype May 24 11:31:52 plus if linux/mac/symbian/maemo users are paying for skypeout minutes then MS may release a msn mess client for them if skype becomes it May 24 11:31:57 I love the skype implemention in maemo May 24 11:32:28 as soon as there is a libskype or a skype.dll the services of msn will emerge into skype with noone noticing May 24 11:32:46 my worry of all the M$ skype nonsense... is what will happen to chan_skype (the asterisk skype trunk made between digium and skype) May 24 11:33:11 Have you seen MS Messenger? May 24 11:33:27 It is now 20% messenger, 80% advertising May 24 11:33:52 what do I care about digium? a proper SIP wrapper build in would be lovely May 24 11:34:14 lolcat: have you seen latest skype? it is just the same May 24 11:34:27 http://www.robinbenedict.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/windows-live-messenger-2011-wlm.jpg May 24 11:34:29 chem|st, skype already do sip trunks - but you can't call a skype username on them May 24 11:34:42 you can receive a call from a skype username using them though i think May 24 11:34:44 as I said: "proper" May 24 11:34:54 chem|st: Not really, I use debian May 24 11:35:35 lolcat: me to but it happens to be that I have it installed in my gaming-windows-setup May 24 11:35:49 lolcat: so how you know about msn then? May 24 11:36:22 chem|st: Is it as bad as the image I posted? A friend of mine runs Windows 7, I had a glance on his screen, then I puked and hit it with an axe :P May 24 11:36:45 you have rage indeed May 24 11:36:50 * lolcat isn't Linux-enugh to stop talking to windowzers May 24 11:36:53 lolcat: not even close May 24 11:37:17 chem|st: But I prefer debian May 24 11:38:05 lolcat: got my girlfriend to try out ubuntu-on-a-stick and she is just coming up with CLI questions as she isn't interested in the gui but how CLI works May 24 11:38:28 lolcat: which build are you at May 24 11:39:35 lolcat: the screen posted is the current version of messenger (though that image does only have 2 adverts on it and is configurable), but a *lot* of people using msn still use the 2009 v14, which is all-round a lot nicer May 24 11:39:40 2.6.32-5-amd64? May 24 11:40:32 nid0: I use emesene with NO advertising. I feel it is easier. Also I like skype better. But unfortunatly some ofthe people I like to talk to doesn't agree May 24 11:41:03 I use Pidgin(or, I used to anyway) for msn, yahoo icq etc. May 24 11:41:18 These days... IRC's all I log into on a regular basis May 24 11:42:04 Heh, I think I change my mind on Symbian May 24 11:42:26 lolcat, what was your previous state of mind, and what did it change to? May 24 11:42:31 Skype didn't appear, and it has been trying to log on to my gmail for the last 15 minutes May 24 11:43:14 mece: I thougth, this cheap and old phone can do the most important things my N900 did. THen I installed Skype, didn't work. Tried setting up email, and it is still loging in. May 24 11:43:55 symbian's mail abilities are and always will be infinitely better than the n900 thanks to 1 word May 24 11:44:00 profimail May 24 11:44:25 Symbian is umm, retarded May 24 11:44:45 Well, my N97 mini won't log in. I was using a HTC Desire for about two weeks. It worked quite well for reading emails, youtube and looking at images of celeberties May 24 11:44:58 ffffffffffffffffff my n900 is on a reboot loop, i got this _just_ the way i wanted last night May 24 11:45:00 psycho_oreos, no, not me, I only made a uboot-power package May 24 11:45:13 Lantizia, what caused it May 24 11:45:14 Lantizia, reflash kernel only May 24 11:45:27 mece, so i don't loose apps? May 24 11:45:29 Lantizia, if it's a uboot mess May 24 11:45:33 Mohammad: It has got drive C: though! May 24 11:45:36 Lantizia, yep. May 24 11:45:37 umm, a bootloop doesn't necessarily mean kernel May 24 11:45:38 mece, i think it's a multiboot mess May 24 11:45:50 Lantizia, do you get to the moving dots? May 24 11:45:55 MohammadAG, no May 24 11:46:03 how do i flash only kernel? May 24 11:46:06 MohammadAG, no, but it's a good idea to flash kernel first if you don't want to loose stuff May 24 11:46:20 --flash-only=kernel May 24 11:46:21 Lantizia, will wiki that for you hold up May 24 11:46:39 it's ok - got it on a forum post May 24 11:46:41 flasher-3.5 -F image.bin --flash-only=kernel -f May 24 11:46:42 Lantizia, http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing#Flashing_only_the_kernel_from_a_FIASCO_image May 24 11:47:03 if it's a messed up preinit on the other hand... May 24 11:47:10 RST38h, and Z:! May 24 11:47:25 * MohammadAG stabs Z:, caused me way too much problems in the symbian days May 24 11:47:40 s/much/many May 24 11:47:41 ok kernel reflashed May 24 11:47:41 these newer symbian devices work pretty well imo. May 24 11:47:51 they suck May 24 11:47:53 and multiboot is back - wtf May 24 11:48:03 MohammadAG, yes, but they work pretty well in comparison May 24 11:48:05 Lantizia, multiboot hooks onto /sbin/preinit May 24 11:48:10 mece, with what? May 24 11:48:16 multiboot is evil May 24 11:48:21 MohammadAG, S60 May 24 11:48:22 im starting to get the impression multiboot is bad - theres _no_ way of doing droid with uboot ?? May 24 11:48:28 Lantizia, you can recover actually May 24 11:48:29 sec May 24 11:48:37 mece, I meant in comparison with what May 24 11:48:48 MohammadAG, oh it's ok multiboot is offering maemo, maemo power, and nitdroid in the menu May 24 11:48:50 there is, but e-yes isn't exactly looking into it May 24 11:48:56 Lantizia, press 0 May 24 11:48:57 MohammadAG, symbian^1 or whatever May 24 11:49:08 Symbian^1 was the Vista of S60 May 24 11:49:08 but i'm not thrilled at the idea of multiboot reflashing every time May 24 11:49:20 that wears the NAND fyi May 24 11:49:29 MohammadAG, S60v5 or something like that. I don't know what they're called. 5800, N97 etc etc. May 24 11:49:41 yeah May 24 11:49:43 I had an N97 May 24 11:50:00 MohammadAG: I had one too May 24 11:50:08 MohammadAG, I never had at touch screen Symbian. I really liked my N95 though. Great camera! May 24 11:50:24 THinking about it, this N97 mini has 8GB of memory, but I only have 150mb to install programs on May 24 11:50:46 the N95 was better than the N97 May 24 11:50:55 best cameraphone too May 24 11:51:04 Lantizia, flasher-3.5 -F image.bin -u May 24 11:51:06 MohammadAG, yep. A good phone no doubt. May 24 11:51:12 that should get you a zImage file May 24 11:51:14 Woho, after a reboot I got Skype May 24 11:51:29 lolcat, :) May 24 11:51:31 MohammadAG, why do i want that? May 24 11:51:45 mece: Untill I clicked on it, got a black screen xD May 24 11:51:53 hehhe May 24 11:52:06 never go back! May 24 11:52:33 flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l --boot=init="init=/sbin/preinit_orig ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6" May 24 11:52:33 although, I should break out my ngage and give it to the kids. I have some cool games on there. Especially with Frodo :D May 24 11:52:35 mece: I don't want to pay a lot for a N900 when I can wait for the N9 announcment next month May 24 11:52:37 Lantizia, do that May 24 11:52:44 lolcat, so pay a little May 24 11:53:25 if that doesn't work May 24 11:53:38 flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l --boot=init="init=/sbin/preinit_backup ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6" May 24 11:53:42 lolcat, they cost < 200€ May 24 11:53:46 though I'm pretty sure the first one should let you boot May 24 11:54:09 lolcat, used.. May 24 11:54:10 mece: I am in Norway May 24 11:54:24 MohammadAG, no I was like already back in the phone ages ago - a simple kernel reflash worked May 24 11:54:33 I hate you :p May 24 11:55:06 MohammadAG, hmm damn I thought you had that one line command which will convert from one sort of image (zImage iirc?) to uImage or something May 24 11:55:07 awwwww :( May 24 11:55:52 mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 80008000 -e 80008000 -n "Maemo 5 - kernel-power-2.6.28 46" -d zImage uImage May 24 11:55:59 lolcat, ah, 100 stykker til salgs pa huuto.net i Finland, 0 stykker pa qxl... May 24 11:56:00 is what I used for uboot-power psycho_oreos May 24 11:56:12 lol i just read the topic May 24 11:56:34 Lantizia, hah yep. May 24 11:56:47 at least I've stayed clear of nitdroid on my n900 for like 1.5 years :P - i'm just curious about it, would prefer a uboot way if anyone knows of one May 24 11:56:52 mece: Norsk tastatur? May 24 11:57:17 MohammadAG, though shouldn't that in theory be a rough guideline for trying to convert nitdroid's kernel? May 24 11:57:54 lolcat, nei, men hvis du må ha norsk, kan du sikkert kjöpe tastatur etterpå. Sorry my norwegian is a bit rusty.. May 24 11:58:35 But then I'd need special tools to change the kb? May 24 11:58:53 psycho_oreos, yes May 24 11:58:54 only torx-5 I think May 24 11:59:04 6 mece May 24 11:59:11 6 May 24 11:59:12 :) May 24 11:59:19 it was a rough estimate :D May 24 11:59:27 Torx T6. May 24 11:59:49 but wait, finnish keyboard is same as norwegian May 24 12:00:26 lolcat, http://www.cs.hut.fi/~kirma/n900-nordic.jpg May 24 12:00:32 it's "nordic" May 24 12:01:05 mece: That is the same as what I had :D May 24 12:01:30 what happened to your phone? May 24 12:02:47 mece: I was drunk, so I dropped it on concrete floor. So I took it to the shop (it had allready been repaired twice) and said their repair of the charging port was faulty and got a refund (4900NOK). May 24 12:03:59 I actually paid more like 3000nok for it, but then I got a packagae price since the insurance company was paying. So I got a bluetooth handsfree and a 16gb microSD card and some other stuff to drive the price up. May 24 12:04:23 oh.. May 24 12:04:51 well here's a listing of used ones. As you can see they're pretty cheap. "osta heti" means by directly, so that is an actual price. May 24 12:04:51 http://www.huuto.net/fi/showlist.php3?tits=N900&ccat=505&ncat[]=505&odir=A&order=R&start=0&num=50 May 24 12:05:10 mece: But I'd prefer to use the 4900NOK for a N9 than to get another N900 May 24 12:05:49 ah yes May 24 12:05:55 lolcat, understandable :) May 24 12:06:10 guess you have to be patient then :) May 24 12:06:49 I think I can manage with the N97 mini untill june so I can see if tehre is an announcment May 24 12:06:55 by looking at that liist I think you can get one for around 150€ May 24 12:07:38 whoa! N9 thread is off active topics! \o/ May 24 12:08:05 Seriously, after two reboots and several minutes of frustration skype launches, I get to type in my login details and it freezes hafway :S May 24 12:08:16 I am starting to remember what was great about the N900 May 24 12:17:43 merlin1991, there? May 24 12:18:39 Can't we hack Nokia and steal their sourcecode? May 24 12:18:58 that's not a good idea if you're a contractor :P May 24 12:21:45 MohammadAG: Where is that guy who where going to give me my contractor cloak? May 24 12:23:06 And I think Nokia will cut down on the usage of us as contractors... May 24 12:23:46 Seeing as they will loose marked shares May 24 12:53:05 lolcat: weren't you clearly applying for a troll cloak? May 24 12:55:50 DocScrutinizer: Why would it be a troll cloak? May 24 12:55:55 hmm freenode should have a /troll cloak May 24 12:56:09 I wanted a /nokia/opensourceadvocate/lolcat cloak, or something like that May 24 12:56:45 err May 24 12:56:50 Someone has removed it from the list May 24 12:56:50 fax your contract with nokia and 'we' might consider it May 24 12:56:57 Number? May 24 12:57:39 911 666 666 May 24 12:58:27 1800-microsoft ;) May 24 12:59:06 I am setting up currency converet, does prices in germany include tax? May 24 12:59:15 0118 999 881 999 119 725 3 May 24 12:59:18 even better: ask your contact at Nokia to send the contract to X-Fade or GAN900 May 24 12:59:21 MohammadAG: here now May 24 12:59:25 citylights, all prices in EU include VAT May 24 12:59:35 unless they are business2business May 24 13:00:02 citylights, but why do you need to know that? May 24 13:00:08 indeed May 24 13:00:10 currency convert is just convert from foo to bar May 24 13:00:20 unless you mean a price convert May 24 13:00:26 how's VAT coming in there? May 24 13:00:41 btw, I have just found that my autocompletion file contains a ovi store in plaintext. Either it got there from the login form or from pwsafe entry May 24 13:00:42 in which case you also need customs fees not just VAT May 24 13:00:54 ovi store password May 24 13:01:24 merlin1991, wanna test the threaded version of sociality? May 24 13:01:28 at least in the firneds window May 24 13:01:37 firneds? May 24 13:01:40 but yea :D May 24 13:01:47 upped? May 24 13:01:55 not yet :p May 24 13:02:05 to know if I need to config the vat part May 24 13:02:22 seems wadges in munich are high May 24 13:02:42 2750 euro May 24 13:02:43 according to lonly planet... May 24 13:03:21 merlin1991, upped May 24 13:03:59 lolcat: I'll send you a link to the forms to fill for cloak, please fix your "hidemail" in nickserv, it should read x.ysdasy@nokia.com or sth May 24 13:04:21 you got a nokia mailaddr, no? May 24 13:04:46 I work for an independent Nokia contractor... May 24 13:05:23 microsoft? May 24 13:05:31 so ask your "boss" about cloak then, he must have a @nokia.com addr May 24 13:06:07 So if I change my email to a nokia.com addr I get the cloak? May 24 13:06:21 MohammadAG: should I notice any difference? May 24 13:06:34 so far I can say it's still working :D May 24 13:06:38 merlin1991, speed May 24 13:06:47 lolcat: no, you can't do that, as that addr has to be a working one, and it's nokia and your "boss" who will negotiate that May 24 13:06:50 merlin1991, click add as favorite May 24 13:06:52 it's instant now May 24 13:07:10 Hello all... May 24 13:07:49 but you have todo something on the Photos window May 24 13:07:54 DocScrutinizer: May I have a # Maemo/opensourceadvocate while I wait for my boss to process the request? Summer vaccation and all that slows things down here a bit... May 24 13:07:59 go into an album and watch crazyness on the screen May 24 13:08:27 lolcat: you should know you have to talk to council about that May 24 13:08:43 Maemo council? May 24 13:08:46 sure May 24 13:09:00 ~seen X-Fade May 24 13:09:03 x-fade is currently on #maemo (4d 2h 48m 2s) #meego (4d 2h 48m 2s), last said: 'lbt: first.last @ nokia.'. May 24 13:09:07 as long as the email header is valid... May 24 13:14:25 hello. i am trying to install mutt to maemo5 but it depends on slang1a-utf8 which apt-get reports as unavailable. is there a way to install this pgk? May 24 13:14:58 I guessing I need to examine more applets using the status menu and written in python May 24 13:15:35 pkg! May 24 13:16:20 lolcat: if you don't have access to Nokia intranet where probably there are pretty good docs about how to deal with all that mail add and cloak and whatnot, you quite likely don't qualify for any "nokia" related cloak or mailaddr or whatever May 24 13:16:59 DocScrutinizer: But a maemo cloak then? May 24 13:17:56 toldy, you need to talk to council about that, and probably there's quite some general rules stuff on wiki - afaik there's just maemo/contributor/* available May 24 13:18:08 and you need some karma for that May 24 13:18:51 or otherwise prove you are a valuable member and "VIP" of maemo May 24 13:19:30 as the cloak suggests, contributions help a lot May 24 13:19:36 lolcat++ May 24 13:19:47 !karma lolcat May 24 13:19:59 Oh, you ment on the forum? May 24 13:20:20 karma is not exactly a forum thing May 24 13:20:35 please refer to wiki about cloaks May 24 13:22:46 lolcat: definitely your acting here doesn't exactly help to get *any* cloak related to maemo/nokia May 24 13:23:28 I feel I contribute to the discussions that interests me May 24 13:23:33 as a cloak always is a lil bit about competence and merit as well May 24 13:26:07 I am competent with the N900! May 24 13:26:32 I helped a guy setup fMMS once May 24 13:27:13 GeneralAntilles: ping May 24 13:27:42 lolcat: you clearly qualify for the troll cloak May 24 13:28:31 I bet you can get /maemo/premium-troll in no time May 24 13:28:31 is it fireproof? May 24 13:29:50 phosphorus coated May 24 13:30:09 hey DocScrutinizer May 24 13:30:16 hey chem|st May 24 13:30:23 merlin1991: trying to wake him up? :) May 24 13:30:59 ah shit May 24 13:31:09 * merlin1991 forgot about sf May 24 13:31:11 DocScrutinizer: At least I am not mean May 24 13:31:16 meego-bar is not a very happening place, I prefer it here May 24 13:31:40 oh shit I'm not there May 24 13:31:46 merlin1991: well if we're lucky he has irc running, if we all highlight him perhaps we can annoy him! ;) May 24 13:32:03 MohammadAG: no comments about explosives May 24 13:32:16 lardman, what about riots? May 24 13:32:20 it is a bar afterall May 24 13:32:40 lolcat: that seriously qualifies for... wait... ehrm... nothing?! May 24 13:32:52 petting May 24 13:33:11 well I searched the wiki for cloaks, and found a pice of text saying to either contact him or X-Fade, and since X-Fade hasn't managed to find the time for my cloak I thought I'll try to contact GeneralAntilles May 24 13:34:56 GeneralAntilles isn't maemo GC afaik, X-Fade is, so only he can grant maemo cloaks May 24 13:35:28 and X-Fade does not react on anything in the meantime May 24 13:35:32 MohammadAG: I like your thinking May 24 13:36:10 X-Fade: promised me twice todo it, after the last time he went completely mia :/ May 24 13:36:17 now where is our council, I understand they had a meeting with Quim about Harmattan (I read a few lines of TMO), when will we hear the masterplan? May 24 13:36:46 merlin1991: he's been busy on the meego stuff hasn't he? May 24 13:36:56 merlin1991: indeed I'm a bit concerned about no proxy for x-fade exists May 24 13:37:13 I have no idea, but he's been worringly silent on irc May 24 13:37:23 yes May 24 13:38:04 if karma is a real matter we should implement a #maemo thanks... May 24 13:38:10 he can't grant cloaks May 24 13:38:14 he can ask staff to do so :P May 24 13:38:27 basically it seems as soon as X-Fade "retires", a lot of the maemo infra will get into an orphaned state May 24 13:38:39 chem|st: I think karma has been seen to be a difficult thing to measure accurately May 24 13:38:57 lardman: I was just a bit short for a devel device... May 24 13:39:31 and being mod on tmo gives no karma but bad karma May 24 13:39:34 ^^ May 24 13:39:41 lol May 24 13:39:48 chem|st: when was this? The last dev device set - N900s? May 24 13:40:16 yes May 24 13:40:48 karma is an interesting one, I would like to have another go at that May 24 13:41:17 would be good to have access to the raw stats to be able to experiment and see what sorts of different combinations could be produced May 24 13:41:31 btw what are "Itt post", or "groups" regarding karma? May 24 13:41:35 chem|st: look, IRC doesn't earn me karma as well ;-P May 24 13:41:49 merlin1991: iit post is iirc the # of posts on TMO May 24 13:41:51 luckily XP May 24 13:42:01 groups is to do with Garage afaicr May 24 13:42:09 my karma did't change much for the last 6 month May 24 13:42:28 I have no clue what mine is these days May 24 13:42:30 Internet Tablet Talk -old name for tmo May 24 13:42:39 I note that none of the proposals to count IRC lines has come to pass. May 24 13:42:41 * SpeedEvil sighs. May 24 13:42:51 * MohammadAG checks his karma May 24 13:42:59 also I have 6 karma from bugzilla, but don't remember posting anything on there May 24 13:43:03 SpeedEvil: that is a metric for meego though iirc May 24 13:43:04 1019 :( May 24 13:43:11 merlin1991, voting counts I think May 24 13:43:19 I didn't vote either May 24 13:44:37 maemo karma is about as useful as a hole in your belly nowadays May 24 13:45:17 I have 588 May 24 13:45:25 * SpeedEvil only 502. May 24 13:45:26 tzztzzz May 24 13:45:51 Kinda pointless. May 24 13:46:00 ok that's mean, SpeedEvil - you clearly own as much karma as I have, which is ~30 more May 24 13:46:18 difficult really, it doesn't count e.g. commits to garage projects, things that I do May 24 13:46:26 Indeed. May 24 13:46:41 it also doesn't cover help on irc May 24 13:46:45 Yeah. May 24 13:46:46 but then it is accepted that karma isn't really a good way to go now May 24 13:47:13 * SpeedEvil goes and votes on all the i386-extras-testing packages. May 24 13:47:21 600 now! Woo! May 24 13:47:30 I must have done something important! May 24 13:47:35 for all that matters it works, which nowadays is... errr nuttin really May 24 13:47:54 put thumbs on all the news items too, that will give you some more points for no effort May 24 13:48:44 fsckng useless competition for highscore on a silly useless game May 24 13:49:19 for all I can tell there's been some thresholds for karma that were like 10, 100, 300 May 24 13:49:38 everything beyond is useless May 24 13:51:12 there's no free night with Angelina Jolie for the the top ten karma of the month May 24 13:52:20 and it seems to me maemo karma gives undue bonus to tmo trolls May 24 13:52:54 And people who design 'new n900 mockups' May 24 13:53:01 eeeew May 24 13:57:21 angelina's old May 24 13:59:16 just started to give thumbs down to news about meego... May 24 14:00:43 mhm, are there any? May 24 14:01:04 docscrutinizer: sounds like a German insurance firm ;) May 24 14:01:46 meego? May 24 14:14:22 so klicked all thumbs down on meego topics I think... May 24 14:49:21 MaKa May 24 14:51:33 (misterc == abill_uk) ? scary : scarier May 24 14:53:12 docscrutinizer: sorry for the slow reply, no your comment about Angelina Jolie and the top karma holders - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13470731 May 24 14:54:17 and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13454160 May 24 14:56:41 is the hildon desktop responsible for the portrait rotation? May 24 15:13:03 lardman: they clearly have better benefit programme than I do :) May 24 15:13:17 lol May 24 15:13:21 s/do/have/ May 24 15:13:21 edheldil meant: lardman: they clearly have better benefit programme than I have :) May 24 15:15:10 Hey did anyone find out why Nokia changed the "Nokia_N900.mp4" file in "MyDocs/.videos" from the old 33.4MB one to the 34.4MB one with different music? May 24 15:19:50 Lantizia, perhaps to show some new features? May 24 15:20:10 mece, videos are identical May 24 15:20:17 just music that changed May 24 15:20:30 Lantizia, perhaps they had a new song and wanted people to hear it :) May 24 15:20:49 it's dreadful lol May 24 15:21:14 google opened their API to tasks two weeks ago, and already I see an app for maemo May 24 15:21:23 i think the video has changed.. May 24 15:21:31 i would like to get an original copy of this too... http://www.youtube.com/lantizia#p/f/6/Au_uRmoy8Fs May 24 15:21:49 LeakyPug, nope it hasn't... i put them both on simultaneously on two screens and watched both May 24 15:22:41 i see a new tagline at the end of this new video,"online as it happens-Nokia N900". May 24 15:23:00 LeakyPug, they both have tahat May 24 15:23:06 was it in the old one?.. May 24 15:23:11 yup May 24 15:24:12 oh but i don't have the old one to compare now.. but i just watched the video after flashing last month.. just after u told.. and found it new to me.. May 24 15:24:35 i think perhaps nokia made a cock up on the original music (copyright grounds or something) and had to change it May 24 15:24:40 just a guess May 24 15:25:40 also a new music track too "Closer To Where You Want Me.mp3" May 24 15:30:24 i lost portrait orientation after installing maemodder.. May 24 15:30:33 but i am not sure if it was lost there... May 24 15:32:26 long time since I scouted the applications for the N900 May 24 15:33:06 Qradio is far better then the python client I used to have May 24 15:33:23 fm radio May 24 15:35:40 oh ya, did anyone wrote a program for the N900 using ruby? May 24 15:47:44 oo, we've panned May 24 15:48:08 how's about moving the podium left towards the display screen, then zoom in on that? May 24 15:48:13 wrong chan May 24 16:31:51 any problems with Maemo devel on Ubuntu latest version (11.xx)? May 24 16:34:44 lardman, specifically? are you running in 64b mode May 24 16:34:59 yes May 24 16:35:08 I don't have any atm, just wondering whether to upgrade May 24 16:35:19 it keeps telling me about natty narwhals or the like May 24 16:35:32 and it might even make my 3rd monitor come back to life, who knows May 24 16:35:54 lol May 24 16:36:48 lardman: The last is not likely until someone resurrects xinerama in the X server. May 24 16:37:19 derf: oh yeah, forgot I had to manually patch xserver May 24 16:37:20 xinerama is dead? May 24 16:37:37 I don't really get it, surely people have more than two monitors these days? May 24 16:37:48 Sadly, no. May 24 16:38:14 People have laptops and tiny little touchscreens. May 24 16:38:21 rubbish May 24 16:38:26 No one uses desktops anymore. May 24 16:38:42 That's so last millenium. May 24 16:38:44 Perhaps it's time to start a one man crusade for multihead single Xserver support in mainline May 24 16:38:51 about the only place xinerama worked perfectly was intel laptops, handling lcd, vga and svideo :) May 24 16:38:57 * SpeedEvil wishes he could set on fire people that mandated widescreen. May 24 16:38:59 works for me May 24 16:39:21 3 monitors, non-stretch mode, only one is accelerated though May 24 16:39:38 SpeedEvil: I'll supply the kerosene. May 24 16:39:46 single x server though. Why anyone would want an x server per head I can't fathom May 24 16:40:22 yeah, best thing about multimonitor is dragging windows between them May 24 16:40:28 lardman: It made sense in the 80's. May 24 16:40:51 or resisizng browser across all 3 to read certain shitty websites that don't allow wordwrap nor scrollbars May 24 16:40:56 I mean, it didn't, really, but users were less demanding then. May 24 16:41:06 derf: phew May 24 16:41:25 ShadowJK: I have 23" monitors, doesn't happen too often May 24 16:42:07 though on a netbook the thing that gets me is the height of dialog windows, no way of even seeing the buttons at the bottom May 24 16:43:09 so do people run with Natty Narwhal without troubles then? I'm itching to upgrade for no real reason May 24 16:43:28 In any case, I think most of these problems stem from the fact that the people who actually want to get real work done on their computers is a dwindling minority. May 24 16:43:55 hey May 24 16:44:18 after the latest update of swappolube, I noticed that it also has now a power key menu entry May 24 16:44:33 derf I am more interested in using compute devices than spending hours coding them May 24 16:44:56 lcuk, coding can also be fun :) May 24 16:45:05 derf: I'm being offered a shiny upgrade and it's my home pc, so I'm tempted May 24 16:45:31 but I also remember the last time I blithely clicked "upgrade" and spend 3 days getting things working again May 24 16:46:01 lcuk: I actually mostly don't use any of the code I write. That's not the fun part. May 24 16:46:29 coding is usually fun May 24 16:46:55 (as long as you have a good idea to implement and a well-engineered API to use) May 24 16:48:06 Venemo_N900, people sit on the beach making sand castles May 24 16:49:15 Soo, what isnew? May 24 16:50:23 RST38h: N9 has been announced May 24 16:50:38 Wah! May 24 16:50:39 oh no sorry that was N900 and a year or two ago May 24 16:51:00 RST38h: no news I'm afraid :( May 24 16:51:25 oh well, none expected...=( May 24 16:51:40 This place is slowly becoming #amiga May 24 16:52:11 :) May 24 16:52:38 but it's not even 10am in SF, so there's still time! May 24 16:53:21 lcuk, developing an app is a very similar experience to building a sand castle May 24 16:56:24 Venemo_N900, why do you think I said that May 24 16:56:49 lcuk :) May 24 17:01:48 #amiga ? :-D May 24 18:11:10 Hi ! May 24 18:11:56 I ve try to run some qml example in qmlviewer, but complain it cannot import qtquick, does installing qtquickcompat package isn't enought ? May 24 18:18:43 never worked for me, I use import Qt 4.7\ May 24 18:19:46 MohammadAG: but will be a pain to modify all file just to see if it s run. there is so few things working currently May 24 18:26:21 lcuk, I still can't seem to install liqtutor May 24 18:26:40 I still have not done anything more with it May 24 18:26:57 the code is there May 24 18:28:37 "the code is there" is the worst excuse ever May 24 18:44:26 Venemo_N900, :P May 24 18:44:45 I will submit an updated set of packages asap May 24 18:44:56 no rush May 24 18:46:16 just most of the time when I ask something about an open source piece of software, they tell me, "the code is there, read it". but I rarely have time to read 1000s of lines of spaghetti code in order to find a single thing I'm looking for May 24 18:46:27 lcuk, your code is better than average May 24 18:46:52 nah May 24 18:46:56 but for example the meego-panel code was very annoying. suffering from the yo-yo effect heavily May 24 18:47:43 what is the yo yo effect? May 24 18:50:21 RST38h, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_problem May 24 18:51:20 Venemo: ah how familiar May 24 18:52:38 RST38h, it is even worse in GLib-based C apps May 24 18:53:00 because of GLib's way of "emulating" OOP in a non-OOP language May 24 18:55:10 yea,damn C++ haters :) May 24 18:55:18 indeed May 24 18:56:04 Venemo_N900, when you build a sandcastle, generally everything is at arms reach. May 24 18:56:19 when you turn it into concrete and build a town, you must drive to each location. May 24 18:56:32 if you look at any piece of software based on glib that is longer than an example, it is _very_ hard to comprehend May 24 18:56:56 for example hildon-desktop and meego-panel are both quite difficult to understand May 24 18:57:01 lcuk, yeah I agree May 24 18:57:09 understandable for what they have to do May 24 18:57:41 lcuk, but if you follow some design practices of building towns, and you make a few tramways, then it will be easier May 24 18:58:05 lcuk, not really. gnome-shell does the same and it's a lot easier to understand May 24 18:58:23 Venemo: Then each incoming city mayor will either remove the tram rails or lay them anew May 24 18:58:47 Venemo: endless entertainment for everyone, and very profitable for whoever does the construction work May 24 19:00:39 RST38h, hehehe :) May 24 19:01:24 usually the higher level the language and the more design patterns applied, the easier-to-understand code you will get May 24 19:02:30 Venemo: oh, don't start me on applying design patterns... May 24 19:03:13 well, it's more like "not applying anti-patterns" than "applying patterns" May 24 19:09:08 Meanwhile: TEPCO Confirms Partial Meltdown of No.2 and No.3 Reactors May 24 19:15:06 heh! May 24 19:15:13 RST38h: hey ignore the unimportant stuff, there's a Meego conference running! May 24 19:15:37 lardman: I would not mind these two getting together May 24 19:15:48 lardman: Would liven things upat the conference May 24 19:16:14 lardman: Radiactive fumes, people in the bunny suits, some radiactive lava, if we are lucky May 24 19:16:36 lardman: Definitely better than Meego Architecture Browser. May 24 19:17:20 Venemo_N900, I'll be honest, complicated code can only be understood properly by the one who wrote it May 24 19:17:37 Don't forget the neural-sensor controlled cat ears May 24 19:18:27 MohammadAG, yes, or the guys who spend equal amount of time reading it as those who wrote it May 24 19:19:51 RST38h: lol May 24 19:20:21 MohammadAG: if you are drunk you may find you can also understand complex code May 24 19:20:40 briefly, there's a window, it's like playing pool May 24 19:21:13 I doubt you'd be reading code while (very) drunk lardman May 24 19:21:26 and even if you were, you'd forget what you understood by the time you're sober :p May 24 19:21:44 indeed, but it's like writing a classic, can't be bettered the day after May 24 19:22:03 or something like that anyway :) May 24 19:22:16 * lardman goes to get a glass of vino May 24 19:33:51 hi all May 24 19:34:31 i need help to install dev tool kit in slackware May 24 19:34:43 somebody help me May 24 19:35:57 lnxslack, what's the issue? May 24 19:37:57 on n810/diablo, How does one access the log from VOIP accounts that fail to connect May 24 19:38:10 i need a txz package May 24 19:41:42 hey :) May 24 19:41:59 hey May 24 19:47:55 what should install? May 24 19:48:42 packages that are found to debian May 24 20:07:17 any one here now May 24 20:07:33 ? May 24 20:07:39 yes May 24 20:07:46 Sort-of. May 24 20:11:42 o , so speedEvil how can I solve the UI issue I have with my new applet? May 24 20:11:53 I regret I have no idea. May 24 20:11:56 I am using python and hildon status menu May 24 20:12:01 Have you considered asking Jesus? May 24 20:12:10 More seriously. May 24 20:12:10 how can I turn except MohammadAG ? May 24 20:12:24 I'd look for similar applets in python May 24 20:12:32 Isn't 'flashlight' in python? May 24 20:15:46 turn what? May 24 20:15:50 SpeedEvil, no, C May 24 20:22:30 I mean I ask here and no one knew why openvpn applet covers my button May 24 20:22:53 I am using meld to compare my code with openvpn applet and cant see a similer line May 24 20:23:26 What happens if you uninstall openvpn May 24 20:24:05 I only need to move openvpn-applet.desktop away and I can see my button fine May 24 20:24:22 I did use openvpn-applet.py to build my own UI May 24 20:24:25 I'd try the mailing lists. May 24 20:24:31 which? May 24 20:25:23 HAHA, coremelt on Fukushima block 1 happened *before* the tsunami hit May 24 20:26:05 and they were telling BS about block 2 and 3 too May 24 20:26:31 DocScrutinizer, url? May 24 20:26:45 TV news May 24 20:26:48 http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html May 24 20:26:48 most reputable news sources should have it by now May 24 20:27:57 they admitted that block 1 was headed for new zealand before the tsunami already a few days ago though. today came news about 2 and 3 May 24 20:29:24 I think google should geo target people that are in danger and insert an alert in search results May 24 20:31:38 The results of provisional analysis show that fuel pellets melted and fell to the bottom of reactor pressure vessel at a relatively early stage in the accident. May 24 20:31:55 "accident" started with tsunami hit or something else? May 24 20:32:00 hm .. anyone who knows if I can somehow sync a backup of the N900 to a Android-phone? contacts and calendar? May 24 20:33:46 haj: you traitor :( May 24 20:34:31 actually no... but my N900 seems to not like me since it's decided it needs to go to a repairshop for 30 days ;) May 24 20:35:05 And I just got a android-phone with my new job.... :/ May 24 20:35:22 :/ May 24 20:36:44 I'd like to have access to my calendar, and my contacts... May 24 20:37:48 Actually I'm not very impressed with this Android-phone... It's pretty fast, but it's weird to use compared to Maemo.. May 24 20:38:23 did you say you want to sync with n800? May 24 20:39:52 vldcnst: N900 to HTC something... but i only have a backup :/ May 24 20:40:04 oh, I misread n900 to n800 May 24 20:42:14 vldcnst: common mistake :) May 24 20:42:19 * haj misses his N900... May 24 20:43:01 Ovi Suite must be able to do something with the backups May 24 20:43:58 * Arkenoi syncs with google. sure when i tried to add e7 i got duplicate entries everywhere May 24 20:44:56 hey everyone with an n900 here ! right? May 24 20:45:08 rebel: except haj May 24 20:45:18 LOL May 24 20:45:28 rebel: A sizanle fraction of people, yes. May 24 20:45:30 vldcnst: evil! May 24 20:45:32 sizeable. May 24 20:46:50 i have problem with cssu configuration May 24 20:47:01 it dosen't read file? May 24 20:47:15 how to fix? May 24 20:48:18 people May 24 20:48:21 ????? May 24 20:48:28 anybooooodyyy? May 24 20:48:33 reboot phone? May 24 20:48:44 read http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features May 24 20:49:46 it had some problemo with theme cutomizer May 24 20:49:53 its finne nowz May 24 20:51:11 has anybody used gingerbread on n900? May 24 20:51:36 wana know if i can play games and apps? May 24 20:52:17 /topic May 24 20:52:22 hi May 24 20:52:33 why is there no debian/ in the ssu git repositories? May 24 20:52:33 yaya May 24 20:56:06 how i use this on n900??? May 24 20:56:12 this chatroom? May 24 21:08:33 old news? saw this link on reddit https://apachelog.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/kubuntu-11-10-mobile-devices-sneak-peak/ May 24 21:15:50 shanttu: it is old news, but new news for me :) May 24 21:16:14 i wonder if they will really deliver :-/ May 24 21:19:35 I'm far from expert, but afaik telephone functions are closed source. I doubt these devs can do more than nitdroid-group. May 24 21:21:02 that's same thing i'm thinking :) May 24 21:21:55 why, it's not smooth sailing for meego itself May 24 21:22:31 i think they just want to do something along these lines http://wiki.maemo.org/Alternative_desktop_environments May 24 21:27:56 also http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Ubuntu May 24 21:31:32 interesting May 24 21:33:42 helooo May 24 21:33:59 yo May 24 21:34:23 is it possible to use a swapfile on the n900 instaead of a partition? May 24 21:35:44 ? May 24 21:35:56 not with the default kernel iirc May 24 21:36:44 how about the power kernel (version 47)? May 24 21:37:17 dunno, try it. May 24 21:38:14 heh May 24 21:41:10 omg May 24 21:41:30 this rubber case i got is made in china horrible May 24 21:42:12 if condoms were made this way the world would be twice as populated May 24 21:43:35 heh May 24 21:43:43 well stone the crows May 24 21:43:53 swap file works with pk47 May 24 21:44:35 maybe a swapfile instead of swap partition will stop me from hosing my sd cards? May 24 21:46:12 why? May 24 21:46:22 and where do you buy your sd cards? May 24 22:03:55 anyone knows where conversation logs are write on N900 ? May 24 22:31:47 * DocScrutinizer YAAAAWNS May 24 22:32:23 * javispedro ponders if DocScrutinizer meant "going to #maemo and yawning" when he said he was going to do some real work May 24 22:32:39 exactly ;-D May 24 22:33:06 NOkIA they said the word... NOKIA May 24 22:33:27 meh May 24 23:24:27 i think i'm working on the world's longest install time for scratchbox May 24 23:24:37 been trying for three days so far May 24 23:27:33 dangergrrl, long way to go for records May 24 23:27:56 I think some guy is still trying to get his Maemo chinook SDK working May 24 23:28:07 oh May 24 23:28:14 then i suck less than i think May 24 23:28:16 lol May 24 23:28:21 lol lcuk May 24 23:28:42 was there an 'e' named maemo release? May 24 23:29:02 dangergrrl, elephanta May 24 23:29:15 there is a history of maemo bit somewhere I think May 24 23:29:21 * lcuk recalls such a thing May 24 23:29:22 there's chinook, diablo, fremantle May 24 23:30:06 [maemo-developers] Ideas for Diablo and Elephanta http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-September/011773.html May 24 23:43:03 Elephanta, WTF :-P May 24 23:45:16 bleb blagblagblag... what's next? May 24 23:45:32 Openembedded! May 24 23:46:49 I feel much better with ommaprojekt now May 25 00:13:43 "This newsletter contains confidential information and constitutes a valuable benefit provided by Nokia to you as a Forum Nokia Developer member. This newsletter should not be shared with or forwarded to persons who are not employees of your company. The content of this newsletter is subject to the confidentiality terms of the Forum Nokia Developer "Non-Disclosure Agreement" (NDA) signed by member companies. All Forum Nokia Developer members a May 25 00:13:56 Would Nokia send me confidential information if I werent a contractor? May 25 00:25:01 yes, they would May 25 00:31:59 But that proves I am a Nokia contributor? May 25 00:33:33 no May 25 00:33:47 it proved you don't know NDAs shouldn't be talked about May 25 00:34:01 What is a NDA? May 25 00:34:28 Non Disclosure Alligator. May 25 00:34:38 It's what they sic on you when you tell people about stuff. May 25 00:34:44 lolcat, you're either trolling or trolling May 25 00:34:51 you pasted what an NDA means May 25 00:34:58 how about reading what you paste next time? May 25 00:37:48 MohammadAG: Well, I couldn't disclose any of the very confidential information they sent me! May 25 00:38:33 riight May 25 00:38:44 that's why you asked what an NDA is May 25 00:38:54 lolcat, are you attending MeeGoConf? May 25 00:39:29 MohammadAG: It is in the US, it is a bit out of my way, I could buy a lot of N900'eds for the price of the airfaire May 25 00:42:56 MohammadAG: I wish it could be in dublin like last year May 25 00:45:04 not again!!! May 25 00:45:39 DocScrutinizer51: huh? May 25 00:46:28 btw correct wording is "what's PNG" May 25 00:53:46 lolcat: the whole cloak theme is definitely off topic from now on, in this chan (and) for you May 25 00:59:11 i've looked at meego conference schedule n all, when do guys think will be the unveiling of the new meego phone ? May 25 01:00:10 I think it's unlikely to happen. May 25 01:00:27 No Nokia speaker there. May 25 01:00:44 :(.........still love my n900 and get to save the $$$ May 25 01:03:59 I also think if there'd be anything *really* big to reveal then the6'd do this at beginning, to set an exited basic mood for whole conf May 25 01:05:24 so the only big thing at meegoconf prolly is the big hoax about sth BIG to happen there May 25 01:21:21 Who was mentioning bitcoins? http://idle.slashdot.org/story/11/05/24/1257229/Increased-Power-Usage-Leads-to-Mistaken-Pot-Busts-for-Bitcoin-Miners May 25 01:22:39 I metion bitcoins once in a while May 25 01:28:06 lolcat: are you Chinese, by any chance? May 25 01:34:19 DocScrutinizer51: I am afraid not May 25 01:35:38 DocScrutinizer51: why? May 25 01:35:57 just a weird thoughrt May 25 01:36:21 nm May 25 01:43:13 Weird May 25 02:19:01 Is there a way to explicitly trigger maps to download an area? May 25 02:24:04 Ah. /me finds Jaffas page. Thanks! May 25 02:41:20 SpeedEvil: http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/wt/rescue.html May 25 02:41:49 not exactly your hoverboard May 25 02:46:30 Eventually it is believed that the EAGLE aerial rescue platform could be mass-produced for about $ 500,000 per copy. May 25 02:46:43 Moller SkyCar anyone? May 25 02:47:18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moller_M400_Skycar **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 25 02:59:57 2011