**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 27 02:59:58 2011
May 27 04:01:29 <dangergrrl> uhm
May 27 04:01:39 <dangergrrl> mein headrspinnen
May 27 04:02:14 <dangergrrl> where do i find /etc/apt/sources.list for $(TARGET)?
May 27 04:02:56 <dangergrrl> i have an emacs running in the development guest
May 27 04:03:12 <dangergrrl> itś not /scratchbox/etc/apt
May 27 04:19:58 <dangergrrl> where is the scratchbox chroot? pls?
May 27 04:20:44 <dangergrrl> if you can ride a motorcycle to colorado iĺl marry you off to a friend if you help :P
May 27 04:21:43 <ds3> trying to raffle off Ogres?
May 27 04:25:51 <GonzoTheGreat_> cd /scratchbox/users/<YOU>/targets/FREMANTLE_<XYZ>/etc/apt
May 27 05:01:24 <GonzoTheGreat_> dangergrrl: that was for you of course
May 27 05:24:15 <dangergrrl> thank you
May 27 05:24:18 <dangergrrl> danke
May 27 05:27:39 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/26/bypassing_skype_crypto/
May 27 05:38:03 <dangergrrl> i am losing mental functions
May 27 05:38:10 <dangergrrl> hi KMFDM
May 27 05:38:37 <dangergrrl> not with the band i presume they are in seattle last i read
May 27 07:15:24 <mece> o/
May 27 08:10:55 <lolcat> The EEE Pad Transformer has a dual core Cortex cpu, does that mean it will be like the N900?
May 27 08:22:41 <psycho_oreos> I wonder how does it become like N900
May 27 08:26:43 <psycho_oreos> It doesn't run maemo, it doesn't have slide out keyboard, it doesn't have cellular capability, and I'm sure there's more other things missing compared to N900
May 27 08:30:04 <robbiethe1st> Speaking of other devices... I just saw one of those Motorola xoom tablets at Fred Meyer's today. Looks cool, UI's OK I suppose... But damn does it feel laggy!
May 27 08:30:24 <ccooke> robbiethe1st: an unfortunate name, then :-/
May 27 08:31:12 <ccooke> My n900 died last night. I may have to steal my wife's
May 27 08:31:17 <robbiethe1st> Webpages load fast, but pressing the "list program"/dashboard button(i.e. ctrl+backspace on the n900) takes like 200+ms before it starts to respond, then renders a beautiful animation for another couple hundred
May 27 08:31:34 <robbiethe1st> Meaning that it /feels/ sluggish.
May 27 08:35:17 <psycho_oreos> ccooke, what, how
May 27 08:35:54 <ccooke> psycho_oreos: pass. Won't turn on. I *is* one of the first retail ones, and has had the USB socket repaired twice.
May 27 08:36:00 <ccooke> It, even
May 27 08:36:32 * ccooke is now stuck on the desire Z, which... well, I *like* android in theory, but... 
May 27 08:36:58 <psycho_oreos> ah that, I guess you could try a nasty hack of using 3000mAh battery hack with mugen back cover and getting a 2mm charge port wired up
May 27 08:37:17 <ccooke> hmm. Hadn't heard that one.
May 27 08:37:38 <ccooke> I'll pass, I think :-)
May 27 08:37:45 <psycho_oreos> its nothing special, and you won't get your USB functionality back
May 27 08:37:54 <psycho_oreos> lol
May 27 08:38:01 <ccooke> I'm due an upgrade soon. Might have to look at the n9, see if it's decent
May 27 08:38:23 <psycho_oreos> that's if they do release it
May 27 08:38:39 <ccooke> well, it's looking more promising than it was a few weeks back
May 27 08:38:59 <ccooke> and Nokia did actually claim to be doing long-term meego work a day or two ago
May 27 08:39:06 <ccooke> which came as a surprise
May 27 08:39:13 <psycho_oreos> for now it is :D
May 27 08:39:18 <ccooke> Quite possibly to the meego people
May 27 08:39:52 <ccooke> psycho_oreos: thing is... I like the n900, and that is an orphan phone. If the n9 is a similar level of nice-to-use, I won't actually care much if it becomes an orphan
May 27 08:40:18 <ccooke> it'll give me another two years or so before I need to think of trying Android again, for a start :-)
May 27 08:40:34 <robbiethe1st> I may be interested, so long as it's still got a good old Xterm on it, with root available
May 27 08:40:38 <robbiethe1st> and an unlocked bootloader
May 27 08:41:18 <ccooke> indeed
May 27 08:41:38 <ccooke> It's a damn shame it won't be running maemo, though
May 27 08:42:13 <psycho_oreos> its partially a good thing that N900 is deemed as `rare' and `occult' for people who still hold onto theirs. However truth be told that it does get irritating seeing fancy addons not for N900 but for other common brands
May 27 08:42:13 <robbiethe1st> It.. may. Apparently, it's part maemo, with the MeeGo UI... at least, that was the plan 5 months ago
May 27 08:42:40 <ccooke> robbiethe1st: huh. That's not what the meego people were saying a few months back
May 27 08:43:11 <robbiethe1st> I'm just saying what I heard from one of my contacts, who left nokia about 5 months ago said...
May 27 08:43:13 <psycho_oreos> I'll see what people say about N9 (if it ever rolls) before buying one. For now I remain highly skeptical of what sort of hardware will be made available in N9. They really didn't combine the best of the technologies for the N900
May 27 08:43:39 <robbiethe1st> But what I /really/ want is something with all that(or even Android with unlocked bootloader) and a 1024x600 5" or so screen. High res like our N900, but slightly bigger.
May 27 08:43:54 <ccooke> psycho_oreos: I disagree. The N900 was a great phone for the time and lineage
May 27 08:44:14 <robbiethe1st> Very true.
May 27 08:44:42 <ccooke> robbiethe1st: if the n9 fails to pan out, I'll be looking at the droid 3. 4" screen, five row keyboard...
May 27 08:45:09 <ccooke> of course, it could be a larger keyboard like the n810...
May 27 08:45:15 <ccooke> (which was at best "okay")
May 27 08:46:09 <MohammadAG> morning
May 27 08:46:25 <psycho_oreos> ccooke, heh I don't agree to that. If it was such a great phone of its time then why was it not so popular and why weren't critical hardware flaws were quickly addressed? Nor was there any minor revision updates (apart from cpu rev changes) to keep holding the fort? :)
May 27 08:46:40 <psycho_oreos> morning
May 27 08:47:00 <robbiethe1st> MohammadAG: I haven't tried it yet, but is there anything in HEN that'd preclude the use of a  standard USB->serial adaptor(shows up on my Linux desktop as /dev/ttyUSB0)?
May 27 08:47:16 <ccooke> psycho_oreos: okay, let's answer that :-)
May 27 08:47:17 <MohammadAG> robbiethe1st, yes, someone did that in the hostmode thread
May 27 08:47:29 <robbiethe1st> Oh, good. thanks
May 27 08:48:03 <robbiethe1st> I'm gonna get an adaptor setup, and thanks to Minicom on easy debian, I'll be able to use my n900 to send/recieve data to my CNC Mill
May 27 08:48:04 <ccooke> psycho_oreos: 1) It wasn't popular because it was a "new" phone platform with very little marketing. Look how long it took android to get to the position it's in - everything has to start small, and Nokia did not push the n900.
May 27 08:48:57 <psycho_oreos> ccooke, more like Nokia frowned at the idea of turning maemo into a full fledged phone like they did with symbian. Hence it was probably released on a whim to test its fate
May 27 08:49:10 <ccooke> psycho_oreos: Nokia saw the n900 as a developer phone, for research purposes. More of a mainstream device than the NITs before it, but not actually something to push on that device.
May 27 08:49:46 <ccooke> psycho_oreos: and the hardware stuff that wasn't fixed? Because nokia saw the n900 as and r&d exercise. Why fix the thing, if it had already served its purpose?
May 27 08:50:22 <psycho_oreos> ccooke, then again, if it was a research phone its a bit weird to have it released to the public without all the necessary warnings? or were they there to sham the linux community by releasing a half assed device with fundamental hardware issues?
May 27 08:50:58 <ccooke> psycho_oreos: well, Nokia were clear that it was a research device to the community
May 27 08:51:16 <psycho_oreos> sure they've achieved their r&d purposes by turning their maemo fans into nothing more than guinea pigs and continues to despise them to this very day
May 27 08:51:16 <ccooke> psycho_oreos: it was said several times at the Maemo conference
May 27 08:51:44 <ccooke> the n900 was never planned to be the mainstream break-out device
May 27 08:51:45 <psycho_oreos> ccooke, not on the packaging box, an average joe wouldn't have picked that up if they wanted to tinker with something and didn't realise it was a test device
May 27 08:52:20 <ccooke> psycho_oreos: An average joe would have been no worse off using it than most phones, if they had no massive preferences
May 27 08:52:25 <ccooke> the n900 is a nice phone
May 27 08:52:29 <psycho_oreos> even so it shows the quality of how Nokia treated its fans, so they've axed their reputation because of that
May 27 08:53:00 <psycho_oreos> ccooke, I'm not saying N900 is a bad/crap/shit phone. Its just a let down how Nokia treated maemo right from the word go
May 27 08:53:02 <ccooke> psycho_oreos: you appear to be making an assumption that Nokia knew what it was doing. I think pas evidence shows that this was not the case
May 27 08:53:34 <ccooke> I believe that the maemo team at nokia did the best they could, from what I saw
May 27 08:53:35 <flux> "never attribute to malice that can be explained by incompetence"
May 27 08:54:22 <psycho_oreos> ccooke, I'm only making assumptions based on what you have said and how maemo was targeted. It was targeted for the niche market. Granted that it did get some of that effect. However an average joe would have still picked up the thing, saw all the flaws, gets pissed off and finds another phone.
May 27 08:54:37 <ccooke> psycho_oreos: so?
May 27 08:54:52 <psycho_oreos> and also free maemo devs are leaving rapidly :)
May 27 08:54:56 <ccooke> psycho_oreos: That would actually give Nokia valid data.
May 27 08:55:01 <psycho_oreos> community maemo devs actually
May 27 08:55:10 <ccooke> Well, of course they are. Maemo is *dead*
May 27 08:55:11 <flux> boohoo, they didn't make n900 for everyone?
May 27 08:55:27 <psycho_oreos> ccooke, don't know what you meant by Nokia valid data
May 27 08:55:42 <ccooke> well, a shambling zombie corpse kept mobile by the community that remains :-)
May 27 08:56:31 <ccooke> psycho_oreos: several things, actually. Firstly... the n900 is a decent phone for people who don't have a preference for phones.
May 27 08:56:34 <psycho_oreos> ccooke, for the time being though
May 27 08:57:37 <psycho_oreos> ccooke, more like those who knew what maemo was truly capable of kept the phone to this very day
May 27 08:57:53 <psycho_oreos> i.e. purpose built device
May 27 08:57:59 <flux> I know some non-developer n900 owners. they seem quite happy with it.
May 27 08:58:08 <flux> but they are technically aligned
May 27 08:58:25 <psycho_oreos> as one would have to be in general
May 27 08:58:27 <ccooke> I know non-technical people who like the n900
May 27 08:58:37 <chem|st> re
May 27 08:58:41 <ccooke> They don't make full use of it, but they wouldn't have made full use of any other phone
May 27 08:58:49 <ccooke> but it does the job for them very well
May 27 08:59:43 <chem|st> ShadowJK: it is not reading the hardware "fuel gauge" right but something gets messed up afaik
May 27 09:00:37 <chem|st> ccooke: the point is that there is no other "phone" alike device with it's capabilities
May 27 09:00:43 <psycho_oreos> the only cases I've came across with are those who don't use the device as a whole rather, they use it for whatever specific purpose they have on their mind. E.g. FM Transmitter + music player, pentesting wifi networks, or multibooting
May 27 09:01:36 <chem|st> psycho_oreos: wouldn't count multibooting as purpose in that case if you are not looking at devel for the other OS
May 27 09:02:26 <chem|st> my device is used for what I need if there is no other computer reachable or missing capabilities
May 27 09:02:44 <psycho_oreos> chem|st, though you gotta admit the youtube videos are feeding the crowd with whatever wants to show. I'm sure there's a fair few youtube videos with people multibooting other OS namely *droid
May 27 09:03:00 <chem|st> like my girl's mother's TV has no PC-in so I transfer the movie to the n900... batched
May 27 09:03:41 <chem|st> psycho_oreos: yeah and booting droid does what? nothing useful for now
May 27 09:04:17 <psycho_oreos> chem|st, to some people its a bit of boast factor to show off their device can do this and others can't easily
May 27 09:04:21 <chem|st> "look my device can even boot android" and crap is for showoffs
May 27 09:04:27 <dashavoo> My laptop hates my N900, because when I have my phone with me, my laptop goes unused for 6 months at a time
May 27 09:04:48 <chem|st> dashavoo: kind of
May 27 09:05:11 <psycho_oreos> that's what the non devs of other OS installed on N900 generally are ;) they just experiment, see the results and off it goes to presentation
May 27 09:05:27 <chem|st> my netbook was bought for testing and proof of concept and to increase my own linux learning curve
May 27 09:05:49 <chem|st> now it is server and skype station
May 27 09:06:20 <chem|st> once a year it is picked for vintage gaming at my sibbling's
May 27 09:07:43 <chem|st> and key element in watching youtube btw is to go fullscreen, as rendering in-site doesn't work that well
May 27 09:08:54 * psycho_oreos thinks instead the idea is to run a custom kernel (with BFS+200 `lines of miracle code) + custom transitions and other tweaks to make N900 go faster for viewing youtube videos
May 27 09:09:05 <psycho_oreos> but then again there's always apps like zoutube for instance
May 27 09:09:46 <chem|st> waht have transitions to do with youtube?
May 27 09:10:11 <chem|st> and I do not ahve any custom kernel parts...
May 27 09:10:15 <psycho_oreos> might shave off mem usage. Then there's the auto-orientation
May 27 09:10:31 <chem|st> and even FF does fine if going fullscreen
May 27 09:10:42 <psycho_oreos> you meant microB :)
May 27 09:11:02 <chem|st> microB and FF do fine with youtube
May 27 09:11:41 <psycho_oreos> FF as in firefox right? specifically you meant Nightly/Fennec
May 27 09:13:20 <dashavoo> Its a shame Opera doesn't do flash
May 27 09:14:30 <psycho_oreos> it can do flash, its just the devs aren't going to bother putting up with having to go through all that crap with adobe licensing
May 27 09:20:03 <dashavoo> psycho_oreos: it can do it as in I can do something on my phone to make it work?
May 27 09:20:34 <psycho_oreos> dashavoo, no
May 27 09:21:07 <psycho_oreos> though I haven't looked into it, I somewhat think it might be possible but if that were the case others would have beaten me to it
May 27 09:21:41 <dashavoo> psycho_oreos: then it doesn't do flash. My original statement stands.
May 27 09:22:40 <psycho_oreos> dashavoo, what I meant was had the opera devs went through the effort of making it to work then your case wouldn't stand :) its not exactly opera's fault
May 27 09:23:41 <dashavoo> That is like me saying that I can fly, because if I went through the effort of taking lessons I would be able to
May 27 09:24:06 <dashavoo> I don't blame Opera for it, I just think it is a pity, as being as Opera is the nicest browser on my N900 by far
May 27 09:25:55 <psycho_oreos> heh not the exact same analogy. Its a bit more like, I can fly but in order for me to fly I must comply with all these rules and regulations before I can actually fly :)
May 27 09:26:56 <dashavoo> hmm, maybe
May 27 09:31:49 <Ikarus> silly, not quite on topic question, but anyone know a store within Europe that still sells new N900s
May 27 09:32:02 <Ikarus> I send mine in for warranty for broke USB connector
May 27 09:32:18 <Ikarus> and they decided, can't fix, replacing with N8 (which isn't equivilent, nor run Maemo)
May 27 09:35:06 <psycho_oreos> lol ouch
May 27 09:35:29 <Ikarus> yeah, not funny
May 27 09:36:09 <psycho_oreos> so the warranty is void from Nokia but not from that store?
May 27 09:40:13 <Ikarus> psycho_oreos: hrm, the warranty isn't void
May 27 09:40:36 <Ikarus> but my warranty is with the store, not Nokia in the first place
May 27 09:40:48 <psycho_oreos> bah so its kinda pointless then :)
May 27 09:41:24 <Ikarus> psycho_oreos: I can still claim the Nokia warranty aswell
May 27 09:41:27 <Ikarus> but this is a bloody mess
May 27 09:41:35 <Ikarus> and I want to fucking beat them to a pulp for it
May 27 09:41:43 <Ikarus> N8, equivilent, what ARE they smoking
May 27 09:45:16 <Venemo> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73481 -> LOL
May 27 09:52:30 <chem|st> Venemo: lovely
May 27 09:53:06 <chem|st> Ikarus: amazon.de still ships it
May 27 09:53:46 <Ikarus> chem|st: cool
May 27 09:53:58 <Ikarus> but wrong keyboard
May 27 09:54:48 <chem|st> Ikarus: order a keyboard or make them ship your old device back to you, changing the kbd is 2mins
May 27 09:55:03 <Ikarus> chem|st: hmmm, k
May 27 09:55:43 <Ikarus> not amused with this vendor
May 27 09:55:48 <chem|st> Ikarus: gsmeasy in .nl has stock too
May 27 09:56:07 <Ikarus> chem|st: hah, going to demand them ordering one there :)
May 27 09:56:38 <chem|st> ok it doesn't...
May 27 09:57:14 <PolarFox> Ikarus: I got an N8 too..
May 27 09:57:30 <PolarFox> Ikarus: Out of replacement N900s and boards.. :(
May 27 09:57:44 <chem|st> amazon.de ships a qwerty for 557€
May 27 09:57:56 <Ikarus> PolarFox: I'm going to settle for either 650 euro back or a N900
May 27 09:58:00 <Ikarus> no other option
May 27 09:59:38 <lardman> that N9 hits FCC TMO thread really is full of crap, pardon my French
May 27 10:00:43 <psycho_oreos> Ikarus, the only reason why I laughed was the fact that I had faced a very similar sort of case when it came to me wanting to purchase another N900 in .hk. Of many retailers I've asked, they either said, "Out of stock", "Company ceased production", or "Would you be interested in N8?". It seems like N900 customers are getting slugged to switch to symbian and makes me wonder if this was Nokia's doing.
May 27 10:01:33 <Ikarus> lardman: if only the N9 would be out this month :)
May 27 10:01:37 <lardman> probably not and just a replacement for the top of the line N-series
May 27 10:01:40 <psycho_oreos> and no I don't live in Europe so I wouldn't have known where else to buy them over there
May 27 10:02:01 <lardman> Ikarus: indeed, well FCC timelimit for the photos expires in a month and a week or so
May 27 10:03:25 <Ikarus> meh, might have to bribe them into an Android phone
May 27 10:03:35 <Ikarus> if they really don't want to find a N900
May 27 10:03:51 <Ikarus> ofcourse I'll buy a used one aswell
May 27 10:03:53 <lardman> not much with a kb though
May 27 10:04:05 <chem|st> Ikarus: ebay got lots of
May 27 10:04:40 <Ikarus> chem|st: so does Marktplaats at quite decent prices
May 27 10:04:43 <dashavoo> yuck, Ikarus, don't do it
May 27 10:05:08 <chem|st> ehrm 150eur?
May 27 10:05:22 <dashavoo> Say "no!" to Android
May 27 10:05:53 <Ikarus> dashavoo: I fear that Symbian is the worse choice for me
May 27 10:05:56 <psycho_oreos> the alternatives isn't that much better if it isn't android
May 27 10:06:18 <lardman> Android does have a couple of good things - maps that work and sync with google calendar
May 27 10:06:35 <chem|st> Ikarus: I would go for E7+100€refund
May 27 10:06:37 <lardman> I would rather like either or both of those on my N900/future device
May 27 10:07:14 <Ikarus> lardman: neither of those I want
May 27 10:07:23 <Ikarus> Google is NOT my friend
May 27 10:07:36 <Ikarus> chem|st: perhaps, it's just so lame
May 27 10:07:38 <chem|st> lardman: you should start reading some threads! we have working maps... and google cal WFM
May 27 10:07:40 <robbiethe1st> Let me just say: DebianPhone > Maemo > Meego >  Android .....> Symbian > WP7
May 27 10:07:51 <Ikarus> robbiethe1st: exactly
May 27 10:07:59 <lardman> chem|st: Hmm, google cal sync has never worked for mwe
May 27 10:07:59 <dashavoo> psycho_oreos: I agree, the alternatives are not much better, but they are still better than google having your phone on a string
May 27 10:08:24 <Ikarus> dashavoo: problem is Symbian is just a pig
May 27 10:08:25 <chem|st> robbiethe1st: swap symbian with android and I agree
May 27 10:08:31 <psycho_oreos> lol no moblin, blackberry, iOS in sight there robbiethe1st
May 27 10:08:34 <robbiethe1st> Thing about Android is if I ever go with one, I'll go with one with an unlocked bootloader: Stick CM on it, and it can't be that bad
May 27 10:08:57 <psycho_oreos> dashavoo, I'd have no choice but to go with android if it isn't maemo/meego/moblin
May 27 10:08:58 <chem|st> motorola just releases one with unlocked BL
May 27 10:09:03 <robbiethe1st> iOS's about down there with WP7; blackberry about the same...
May 27 10:09:05 <Ken-Young> robbiethe1st, What is CM?
May 27 10:09:07 <dashavoo> I am bold enough to say that I will never have an android phone
May 27 10:09:07 <psycho_oreos> oh and there's bada
May 27 10:09:14 <chem|st> ah not motorola it is HTC
May 27 10:09:15 <robbiethe1st> CyanogenMod
May 27 10:09:26 <Ken-Young> robbiethe1st, THanks
May 27 10:09:28 <robbiethe1st> i.e. Pure Android, in a custom package
May 27 10:09:33 <psycho_oreos> dashavoo, so you'd rather have symbian? ew
May 27 10:09:36 <dashavoo> I intend to make my N900 last as long as I possibly can. If it ever dies, I will have to re-evaluate the market.
May 27 10:09:47 <robbiethe1st> So, rootable with some sort of terminal at least...
May 27 10:11:17 <psycho_oreos> Nexus branded devices (currently Nexus and Nexus S) have unlocked bootloaders, allowing one to freely install other OS of their choice
May 27 10:11:57 <psycho_oreos> the rest of android based devices are a bit of hit and miss when it comes to trying to install other OS and booting off it natively, some can do it, some can't
May 27 10:12:48 <dashavoo> psycho_oreos: what other OS can you install on them then?
May 27 10:13:17 <lardman> meego
May 27 10:13:24 <dashavoo> ah, cool
May 27 10:13:30 <psycho_oreos> dashavoo, and that's the one thing I like about android phones, if I really despised Google (I'm not a big fan either but at least Google did base their android platform on linux kernel to the very least) I can always install something like meego
May 27 10:13:51 <psycho_oreos> yeah what lardman said, or others (with some porting if the user desires)
May 27 10:14:03 <lardman> meego also requires porting though
May 27 10:14:47 <psycho_oreos> symbian phones afaik have signed bootloaders, apart from hearing one that N8 possibly does not have locked bootloader, you can't boot other OS of your choice on symbian based phones.. that to me is a nail in the coffin
May 27 10:15:17 <psycho_oreos> true but better than where other phone's OS are generally sitting at (minus the obvious maemo based devices + OM)
May 27 10:27:39 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, it's locked by default
May 27 10:27:43 <MohammadAG> you have to change it I think
May 27 10:28:23 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, you meant N8? meh well that's no different to other symbian devices then :D
May 27 10:32:59 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, yeah
May 27 10:59:08 <robbiethe1st> ...What's always struck me as funny about the n900 is that message about "be sure to unplug the charger" when you disconnect it's charging cord.
May 27 10:59:47 <Lynoure> robbiethe1st: chargers eat power too, most of them, even when they are not charging or connected to a phone.
May 27 10:59:51 <robbiethe1st> See, the default n900 charger is just about as effecient as they come: With my crude kill-a-watt meter, it shows 0W when it's not connected.
May 27 11:00:00 <Lynoure> robbiethe1st: oh, cool :)
May 27 11:00:22 <robbiethe1st> With an old transformer model, yea, I could see unplugging it. But with that one? It's probably not worth it.
May 27 11:11:35 <psycho_oreos> I guess its a friendly reminder to save power :)
May 27 11:13:26 <macmaN> yeah, that largely depends on the timezone
May 27 11:13:54 <macmaN> in quite many parts of the world, esp. nokias home region, it doesnt make one bit of difference what exactly heats your house
May 27 11:17:02 <psycho_oreos> for all we know it might be a thing to keep greenies happy :þ
May 27 11:18:57 <SpeedEvil> Of course it is.
May 27 11:19:00 <SpeedEvil> It's greenwash.
May 27 11:19:05 <SpeedEvil> Pure and simple.
May 27 11:28:46 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, btw I almost have two N900 working with USB networking :) I got a big hint from a bloke in #kernelnewbies on oftc
May 27 11:28:55 <macmaN> i wouldnt go to extremes with that claim either
May 27 11:29:20 <macmaN> its pretty clear that the ecosystem is getting fucked by the overpollution that comes from making gazillions of these beloved devices
May 27 11:29:52 <robbiethe1st> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260787649113 is what I want for a proper hostmode cable, isn't it?
May 27 11:30:09 <macmaN> yet inside that one still need to consider local conditions when trying to apply stuff like widespread energy policies
May 27 11:30:23 <macmaN> the LED lighting is another example of that
May 27 11:30:49 <robbiethe1st> Same witb CCFLs.
May 27 11:30:50 <robbiethe1st> er
May 27 11:31:07 <robbiethe1st> cfls
May 27 11:31:35 <psycho_oreos> the funny thing is that even though the organisations are largely responsible for polluting the environment and our heads. A greenie would probably be happy to be reminded to remain being `green', had they not been reminded they may pick that up elsewhere and then whinge at respective companies who did not remind them to be green imo
May 27 11:33:37 <psycho_oreos> robbiethe1st, never tried that but I'm not too big of a fan when it comes to having a cable of that length. I bought an adapter which is no longer (in length) than a small bluetooth adapter with one end being uUSB male on one end with USB female on the other
May 27 11:34:30 <robbiethe1st> I've heard, though, that you've got to be really careful with that lest you break something
May 27 11:34:39 <robbiethe1st> i.e. by strain on the conectors
May 27 11:35:02 <Ikarus> yup, the N900 internal USB connector is notorious *grmbls*
May 27 11:35:15 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, heh, stopped using USB networking for now
May 27 11:36:03 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, o.O going through wireless/bluetooth?
May 27 11:37:47 <psycho_oreos> robbiethe1st, *shrugs* apart from the `teeth' on the bottom of the uUSB connector on the adapter, the only other thing to worry about is dropping your device with that attached or being inconsiderate and somehow banged the device with the connector on something hard (and it is the connector being hit not the device)
May 27 11:37:48 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, wireless
May 27 11:38:58 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, I had that going initially but I had different thing in mind (especially now using USB networking, it all seems like there's less interference to worry about on the 2.4GHz network ;)
May 27 11:39:55 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, I don't get interference but USB Networking simply kills wifi on the N900
May 27 11:40:34 <psycho_oreos> Ikarus, I personally believe (and I could be wrong), that only certain revisions of N900 were affected by the improper implementation of uUSB socket. So far I'm assuming that revision 2101 are the ones heavily affected
May 27 11:41:02 <macmaN> MohammadAG: wdym kills?
May 27 11:41:17 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, weird, can't see how that would happen :) then again by me using USB networking I leave wireless free to do other things
May 27 11:41:34 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, I'm guessing the N900 tries to use the USB network instead of wifi
May 27 11:41:43 <MohammadAG> so telepathy keeps trying to connect, etc
May 27 11:41:52 <Ikarus> psycho_oreos: the problem is that the USB socket is a surface mount one in general
May 27 11:41:57 <Ikarus> that is just asking for trouble
May 27 11:42:24 <SpeedEvil> Non-surface-mount USB are very rare.
May 27 11:42:51 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, yeah that's routing and probably libicd-network-null affecting imo :). I've had before a `broken USB networking setup' where I could SSH into N900 through USB network but have N900 going through wireless to get internet access because host computer denies N900 access
May 27 11:44:01 <psycho_oreos> Ikarus, well that is true, however I haven't had my N900 uUSB socket falling out.. I guess it'll be a matter of time before it actually falls out. I have already bought a replacement socket (though I wouldn't know how to solder it on myself nor would I have the tools to do it properly)
May 27 11:44:25 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: uh, I've got a whole box of them, the connector is SMD, but it has two pins through the PCB to hold it in place
May 27 11:45:19 <Ikarus> microUSB
May 27 11:48:54 <SpeedEvil> Ikarus: I was just going off disgikey - they say that there are only 2 through-hole variants - of 86 SMD
May 27 11:50:27 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: it's still a design fault imo
May 27 11:50:33 <Ikarus> even if they are hard to get
May 27 11:50:37 <SpeedEvil> UI'm not arguing.
May 27 11:50:51 <SpeedEvil> I'm just saying that it's a fairly common design fault.
May 27 11:51:41 <SpeedEvil> IUt could be fairly easily fixed by them shipping: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NOKIA-CU-17A-DAB-RADIO-DIGITAL-RADIO-STEREO-HEADSET-NEW-/170637073342?pt=UK_Mobiles_Accessories_RL&hash=item27bac31bbe -
May 27 11:51:52 <SpeedEvil> or siilar as a connector
May 27 11:51:55 <SpeedEvil> (not the phones)
May 27 11:52:03 <SpeedEvil> (though they are not phoneS)
May 27 11:52:43 <Ikarus> I assume that is a more soft connector ?
May 27 11:53:03 <SpeedEvil> Right angle
May 27 11:59:16 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: not sure if that helps alot
May 27 11:59:25 <Ikarus> meh, come on, idiots give me a phone call
May 27 12:00:04 <SpeedEvil> The right thing would be an actual dock connector.
May 27 12:00:31 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: I actually designed a dock for tne N900, printable by makerbot
May 27 12:00:36 <Ikarus> but never got around to printing it
May 27 12:00:58 <SpeedEvil> The problem is that you can't dock microusb sanely
May 27 12:01:07 <SpeedEvil> where sanely = just slam it in the dock
May 27 12:01:15 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: true
May 27 12:02:16 <SpeedEvil> My best idea along those lines would be a key into the lanyard and speaker grille.
May 27 12:02:34 <SpeedEvil> Then extend the connector on a little servo when those are seated
May 27 12:23:39 <mece> gaah!
May 27 12:23:41 <mece> "Warning: Promotion of packages depending on hotfixes is blocked."
May 27 12:23:43 <mece> bleh
May 27 12:24:19 <mece> so I just have to replace all import QtQuick 1.0 with import Qt 4.7 if I want to promote this thing..
May 27 12:31:58 <MohammadAG> sed -i 's/QtQuick\ 1.0/Qt\ 4.7/g' * mece
May 27 12:40:06 <Ikarus> heh, they found a ex-demo N900 in their shop in Antwerp, with 2 minor scratches to the backplate, my old one had a huge crack there
May 27 12:44:11 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: thruhole is rare for micro-SB, but actually most of the smd varaints seem to have mechanical supports that are designed to at least snap into some holes on board, to fix against torsion
May 27 12:45:30 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer: yes, the type I have are like that
May 27 12:45:34 <DocScrutinizer> won't help when you're pressing down the plug 'lever'
May 27 12:46:11 <DocScrutinizer> pulling up is secrued by case, forth and back by those poles
May 27 12:46:55 <DocScrutinizer> I even considered drilling holes to N900 PCB for those posts
May 27 12:47:04 <Ikarus> heh
May 27 12:47:15 <Ikarus> someone should sell a securing kit
May 27 12:47:49 <DocScrutinizer> cradle with USB and charging via pads and pogopins
May 27 12:48:08 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer: heh, design one
May 27 12:48:15 <DocScrutinizer> already did
May 27 12:48:28 <DocScrutinizer> it's all ready in my head ;-)
May 27 12:48:48 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer: I've got a 3D model of the reverse of that side of the phone
May 27 12:49:00 <Ikarus> so you could use that if I can upload it
May 27 12:49:02 <Macer> hm
May 27 12:49:19 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer: I already designed a hackish  dock
May 27 12:49:22 <Macer> mail for exchange seems reluctant to sync a lot of calendar entries
May 27 12:49:25 <Macer> lame
May 27 12:49:27 <Ikarus> but if you can come up with a nicer design
May 27 12:49:34 <chem|st> ~hail DocScrutinizer
May 27 12:49:34 * infobot bows down to DocScrutinizer and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
May 27 12:49:49 <Macer> damn
May 27 12:50:01 <DocScrutinizer> I'm just a bloke technician
May 27 12:50:15 <Macer> blah
May 27 12:50:16 <DocScrutinizer> EE to be precise
May 27 12:50:34 <Macer> seems kind of silly to have to add one or two entries at a time then sync
May 27 12:51:42 <DocScrutinizer> I know how to build the electrical part of that, and I'd get an acryl glass bend to shape to hold the phone when dropped in
May 27 12:51:59 <billmania> DocScrutinizer: Can you read and display STL files?
May 27 12:52:19 <DocScrutinizer> no, no idea what it is
May 27 12:52:24 <billmania> A fellow N900 owner created a 3D model of an N900 "cradle" for me, which I plan to use on the dashboard of my car.
May 27 12:52:36 <billmania> It might be useful with your N900 docking station design.
May 27 12:52:45 <DocScrutinizer> of course
May 27 12:53:04 <billmania> DocScrutinizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STL_%28file_format%29
May 27 12:53:08 <chem|st> Macer: DocScrutinizer stereolithograph .stl
May 27 12:53:11 <DocScrutinizer> the changes needed to N900 are tiny
May 27 12:53:47 <chem|st> ehrm Macer for you I had something on my mind like adding MfE to the /topic exception!
May 27 12:54:02 <DocScrutinizer> just drill 4 small (1.2mm) holes to the back cover, above battery
May 27 12:54:15 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: a wireless charging system would be neat
May 27 12:54:28 <DocScrutinizer> indeed, but way too expensive
May 27 12:54:35 <chem|st> ?
May 27 12:54:54 <billmania> DocScrutinizer: The fellows at the local hackerspace create a lot with 3D printers and we're planning to "print" a few of these cradles. No modifications to the N900 required.
May 27 12:55:08 <chem|st> thought of using one of the toothbrush stands 30€...
May 27 12:55:12 <Macer> mfe?
May 27 12:55:27 <billmania> Mail for Exchange.
May 27 12:55:42 <Macer> haha
May 27 12:55:51 <Macer> no talking about mfe here? :)
May 27 12:56:01 <DocScrutinizer> billmania: no mods? so how are you going to chare the thing then?
May 27 12:56:23 <chem|st> billmania: friends try to get a reprap working... as soon as I will have a look at car mounts
May 27 12:56:26 <Macer> boo... it is good when it works
May 27 12:56:29 <billmania> DocScrutinizer: We plan to use the existing connections, through the micro USB.
May 27 12:56:36 <DocScrutinizer> ouch
May 27 12:56:37 <Macer> but it doesn't work that well with google
May 27 12:57:07 <billmania> Macer: I noticed that as well, the unhappiness between the latest MfE and Google calendar.
May 27 12:57:26 <DocScrutinizer> my major goal was to spare the USB, and have an alternative
May 27 12:57:28 <billmania> chem|st: Yes, there are several repraps in progress at Pumping Station:One in Chicago.
May 27 12:57:52 <chem|st> Macer: MfE is a thread in the forums started by the guy who hacked it by nokia, and NO there wont ever be proper google support
May 27 12:58:08 <chem|st> billmania: another idea for my 300€ spare o_O
May 27 12:58:46 <billmania> chem|st: Yes, no shortage of places to pour money. I also own a sailboat, which serves the same purpose. :-D
May 27 12:59:31 <chem|st> billmania: ouw what kind of boat is it
May 27 12:59:40 <jaska> i want a car cradle :|
May 27 12:59:51 <chem|st> jaska: then buy one!
May 27 13:00:10 <billmania> chem|st: 1981 C&C Landfall 38 sloop, masthead rig.
May 27 13:00:16 <jaska> not sure where to look
May 27 13:00:57 <chem|st> nice!
May 27 13:01:16 <chem|st> billmania: I started dreaming about ever owning a bavaria 55...
May 27 13:01:55 <billmania> chem|st: I think I've only seen photos of Bavaria's in Cruising World magazine. Nice looking yachts.
May 27 13:02:11 <chem|st> but a 30 year old boat is something you can put all your spare money in and be short anyways...
May 27 13:02:20 <billmania> We better be careful before we're banned from #maemo for being too off-topic.
May 27 13:02:38 * billmania searches for #guys-and-boats
May 27 13:03:05 <chem|st> billmania: yeah the smaller ones are not that of my type as they managed to have too much wasted space
May 27 13:03:06 <billmania> jaska: I haven't found a car cradle suitable for the N900 either.
May 27 13:03:33 <jaska> plus mine has a mugen battery cover, probably limits the options :)
May 27 13:03:37 <chem|st> billmania: then back to topic, last turn I used columbus and gps recorder to track and navigate
May 27 13:04:01 <billmania> Ah, a columbus user. I'm about to remove that package and re-install gpsrecorder.
May 27 13:04:08 <billmania> columbus seems way too unstable to be of any use.
May 27 13:04:14 <chem|st> billmania: jaska brodit active car mount
May 27 13:04:23 <billmania> gpsrecorded has been very stable for me.
May 27 13:04:53 <chem|st> billmania: yeah crashes a lot, used it to find the boat in the harbours again ;)
May 27 13:05:50 <DocScrutinizer> off-topic policy: nothing is off-topic unless somebody complains. After any complaint got raised, it's up to the chanops to honestly check and counteract OT discussions
May 27 13:05:58 <billmania> jaska: http://www.mountonus.com/Nokia-N900/Brodit-Active-Holder-With-Cig-Plug-512099-22991.aspx
May 27 13:06:05 <billmania> That's very nice, but a bit expensive.
May 27 13:06:42 <DocScrutinizer> billmania: I'm unsure if you seriously can complain about your own OT posts ;-D
May 27 13:07:07 * merlin1991 raises complain ;)
May 27 13:07:15 <billmania> DocScrutinizer: Wasn't complaining, just expressing fear of being censured. :-D
May 27 13:07:24 <cehteh> billmania: looks like it fixes the device with the usb jack .. not a brilliant idea :)
May 27 13:08:05 <billmania> cehteh: Yeah. I've never had trouble with mine, but many co-N900 owners have had their USB jack repaired.
May 27 13:08:21 <DocScrutinizer> we, well I, never censor for OT in itself
May 27 13:08:30 <cehteh> i dont have trouble with mine either yet .. but i take it quite careful
May 27 13:08:50 <cehteh> i wont mount the device using the usb jack :)
May 27 13:08:54 <merlin1991> yesterday night this chan turned into a notebook support chan xD
May 27 13:09:11 <DocScrutinizer> trolling yes, XXX yes, not listening to requests to stay on topic yes, but mere OT... meh
May 27 13:09:33 <billmania> Does anyone actually own one of these: http://www.mountonus.com/Nokia-N900/Brodit-Passive-Holder-With-Tilt-Swivel-511099-22965.aspx
May 27 13:09:45 <billmania> Are they worth the 23 Euros?
May 27 13:09:55 <merlin1991> the only on topic part of that was that somewhere on the borken piece of hw there was sb installed :)
May 27 13:11:36 <lardman|home> just a quickie, has anyone had any troubles with SB and Maemo development in general with Natty Narwhal?
May 27 13:13:56 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: is there anybody who had *no* troubles with SB? ;-D
May 27 13:14:19 <lardman|home> lol
May 27 13:14:30 <lardman|home> works ok for me
May 27 13:14:42 <lardman|home> but then I've probably blocked the bad bits out
May 27 13:14:51 <lardman|home> strange how I can't remember much of the past 2 years.....
May 27 13:14:55 <lardman|home> ;)
May 27 13:15:50 <DocScrutinizer> as Mr Freud, I think it's a common strategy of humans to cope with this :-)
May 27 13:15:56 <DocScrutinizer> ask*
May 27 13:16:19 <lardman|home> :)
May 27 13:16:20 <DocScrutinizer> though the typo made sense as well :-P
May 27 13:16:32 <lardman|home> :D
May 27 13:16:49 <lardman|home> so to reiterate, has anyone had any more troubles than usual with SB using Natty Narwhal?
May 27 13:17:07 <lardman|home> whatever the case I need to get rid of this version of Gnome, it's crap
May 27 13:17:28 <lardman|home> almost as bad as windows not letting you open a term in the current dir
May 27 13:17:35 <DocScrutinizer> does anybody even know what's natty narwhal and has used it with SB?
May 27 13:17:39 <lardman|home> and worse in that it has no way of searching in the current dir
May 27 13:18:00 <lardman|home> I thought it would be fairly well know, latest Ubuntu release and all that ;)
May 27 13:18:50 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: Thought as much, but <no answer> to your original question is a rather ambiguous result
May 27 13:19:01 <lardman|home> yeah
May 27 13:19:12 <Macer> mail for exchange isnt open src right?
May 27 13:19:46 <Macer> is there anything that is that does the same thing? like gpe that can sync with google?
May 27 13:20:24 <lardman|home> there is supposed to be something
May 27 13:20:42 <lardman|home> can't remember the name now though, should be searchable though, in Extras
May 27 13:20:52 <lardman|home> syncs the main calendar, not gpe though
May 27 13:21:30 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: ""has anybody tested to stick a steel nail into the holes of this wall mains outlet? Does it hurt?"" ... ""nobody, ok then - I'll try it""
May 27 13:22:08 <lardman|home> DocScrutinizer: I wasn't suggesting a null result was the same as a non-bad result!
May 27 13:22:15 <Macer> lardman... so just look for "calendar" ?
May 27 13:22:29 <lardman|home> Macer: erming?
May 27 13:22:43 <Macer> hm. let me see :)
May 27 13:22:55 <lardman|home> http://erminig.garage.maemo.org/
May 27 13:22:57 <lardman|home> yeah
May 27 13:23:04 <Macer> the calendar keeps making mfe stay stuck at sync when you add more than 4 entries
May 27 13:23:06 <merlin1991> lardman|home: my sb still runs on lucid
May 27 13:23:27 <lardman|home> merlin1991: same here, I'll just leave it be for the time being I guess
May 27 13:23:32 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: nah, just everybody who tried to run SB on natty now is in a health care facility that doesn't allow them to answer here ;-D
May 27 13:23:53 <lardman|home> Macer: I could never get the built-in exchange stuff to finish its first sync
May 27 13:23:57 <lardman|home> DocScrutinizer: lol
May 27 13:24:16 <Macer> lardman|home: i have
May 27 13:24:22 <Macer> but the email won't send
May 27 13:24:42 <merlin1991> Macer: it works fine for me, but I'm not syncing calendar nor contacts
May 27 13:24:43 <Macer> and the calendar get stuck with 4+ entries
May 27 13:24:44 <merlin1991> only mail
May 27 13:24:44 <lardman|home> ok, so not much of an improvement then
May 27 13:24:55 <Macer> merlin1991: the contacts work too
May 27 13:24:57 <merlin1991> I have it running mail only and that works
May 27 13:25:07 <lardman|home> hmm, not sure I'd want to suck mail onto the N900 if I could avoid it
May 27 13:25:10 <Macer> merlin1991: mail was the one messing me up
May 27 13:25:27 <lardman|home> it's funny, I have my N900, but try to avoid using the web browser, maps, mail and calendar
May 27 13:25:34 <Macer> lardman|home: i use imap for the mail
May 27 13:25:36 <lardman|home> must get writing some better apps
May 27 13:25:49 <lardman|home> Macer: ah I didn't know how the GMail stuff works
May 27 13:28:33 <Macer> lardman|home: yeah. that is what i am using it for
May 27 13:28:41 <Macer> the contacts are the most important
May 27 13:28:46 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: (natty&Q) that's "asking_smart_questions" master class level ;-)
May 27 13:28:53 <Macer> but i would like the calendar to work as well
May 27 13:29:19 <lardman|home> DocScrutinizer: I try to keep the questions simple to avoid scaring people ;)
May 27 13:29:39 <lardman|home> cal works, but just on device, but it could be so much better
May 27 13:29:50 <lardman|home> more usable
May 27 13:30:02 <lardman|home> and being able to share it with my wife would be a start
May 27 13:30:49 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: so first find people that have actually tried it. Then poll their notion about if there've been special problems
May 27 13:32:59 * lardman|home starts writing an online poll
May 27 13:33:21 <lardman|home> or probably better I should head back to work, and not upgrade just yet ;)
May 27 13:33:21 <SpeedEvil> For calendar, my main annoyance is that I can't schedule buiweekly 'appointments' on it. I want to set it up so I can tell when I need to put my bin out.
May 27 13:36:53 <lardman|home> I dislike the following: lack of multiple alarms on e.g. meetings; input with only date not day; poor presentation of the data full stop (blue lines, no text); fixed alarm reminder times
May 27 13:37:05 <lardman|home> probably more once I really start thinking :)
May 27 13:37:24 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: you ever have investigated the database format, and what happens if you edit an appointment to a different interval there?
May 27 13:37:29 <lardman|home> lack of sync with Google Calendar or some other online system is up there too
May 27 13:38:09 <lardman|home> DocScrutinizer: the backend probably allows arbitrary alarm times, just the ui that needs fixing
May 27 13:38:16 <lardman|home> probably, I'd need to check
May 27 13:38:27 * DocScrutinizer looks at bags of trash that are waiting to move out next Tuesday morning, as they already did since 4 weeks
May 27 13:38:53 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: (backend) my point
May 27 13:38:59 <lardman|home> urgh
May 27 13:39:12 <lardman|home> or ergh
May 27 13:39:54 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: ?? recycling - biweekly
May 27 13:40:11 <lardman|home> http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/calendar-backend/classCAlarm.html
May 27 13:40:22 <lardman|home> oh recycling not rubbish then
May 27 13:40:54 <Lantizia> What do we think of this purportedly 1500mah battery for n900? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/140492814936
May 27 13:41:01 <Lantizia> via hong kong :S
May 27 13:41:22 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer:  I have not. I understand it works.
May 27 13:41:51 <lardman|home> http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/calendar-backend/classCRecurrence.html is the recurrence stuff
May 27 13:41:55 <psycho_oreos> I wouldn't trust it, it might not even be 1500mAh, plus did you check out that thread on massive battery test? its in t.m.o.
May 27 13:41:56 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: It doesn't bug me that much - I just now have a web link on the desktop that I click, which takes me to my online collection calendar, that I hit any wednesday I'm confused
May 27 13:43:38 <dangergrrl> so this ljprm-680 is the mythical n9/950?
May 27 13:45:32 <dangergrrl> the docs on fcc.gov are not much help
May 27 13:45:53 <lardman|home> when does the 45 day confidentiality on some docs run from?
May 27 13:46:05 <lardman|home> date of the letter, or presumably date of the FCC granting a licence?
May 27 13:46:39 <dangergrrl> looks like maybe june 25th?
May 27 13:46:41 <DocScrutinizer> whatever - GAN900 (?) said it ends in june
May 27 13:46:48 <Lantizia> Anyone ever seen alternate back covers for the N900 (not the mugen one)... perhaps one with a longer stand so it doesn't wobble?
May 27 13:46:53 <lardman|home> so something like the 24th of June anyway assuming it was approved on 10th May?
May 27 13:47:06 <lardman|home> around then anyway
May 27 13:47:41 <dangergrrl> these documents were available may 11th
May 27 13:47:54 <dangergrrl> one of which says 45 day delay
May 27 13:47:54 <lardman|home> submitted on the 10th
May 27 13:48:03 <lardman|home> anyway, close enough
May 27 13:48:29 <dangergrrl> so the withheld ones should be available june 26th +/-
May 27 13:48:45 <lardman|home> 31 days in May
May 27 13:49:00 <dangergrrl> june 17 then :P
May 27 13:49:07 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: dirt cheap shellscript exploiting sqlite3 to edit interval of selectable recurring events in calendar?
May 27 13:49:08 <dangergrrl> 27
May 27 13:49:16 <lardman|home> no, subtract one
May 27 13:49:33 <dangergrrl> i just woke up
May 27 13:49:55 <lardman|home> at least we know it has a keypad
May 27 13:50:08 <lardman|home> what are all those people on TMO waffling on about it not having one?
May 27 13:50:08 <SpeedEvil> It's not worth the several minutes it'd take me to ...
May 27 13:50:14 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, and that's about all we know
May 27 13:50:39 <lardman|home> and wifi n and cdma as well as normal, etc
May 27 13:50:48 <DocScrutinizer> cdma??
May 27 13:51:13 <lardman|home> I thought someone said it had that
May 27 13:51:19 * lardman|home looks at the test report
May 27 13:52:07 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: echo "talk.maemo.org  0.0.0.0" >>/etc/hosts
May 27 13:52:16 <lardman|home> GPRS850, WCDMA850 WCDMA1700/2100 2-slot GPRS1900 WLAN2450
May 27 13:52:17 <DocScrutinizer> done, next
May 27 13:52:32 <DocScrutinizer> Wcdma
May 27 13:52:45 <lardman|home> not the same?
May 27 13:52:50 * lardman|home doesn't know
May 27 13:53:19 <DocScrutinizer> WCDMA == 3G, while CDMA == this weird US thing for cellphones, that's != GSM
May 27 13:53:39 <lardman|home> oh I see, my mistake, I thought it was going to support strange Americans
May 27 13:53:49 <lardman|home> ;)
May 27 13:54:03 <lardman|home> the difference a little W makes :)
May 27 13:54:55 <lardman|home> right, back to work, bbiabn
May 27 13:56:17 * DocScrutinizer evaluates the pros and cons of Aspirin vs electroshock
May 27 13:58:22 <cehteh> huh?
May 27 13:59:25 <cehteh> you mean you can shove a aspirin in the ass of a stallion to run faster?
May 27 14:04:28 <dashavoo> cehteh: no, that is ass-sprint, not aspirin
May 27 14:05:05 <dangergrrl> they have cdma in india too
May 27 14:05:30 <dangergrrl> though i hate to think the us is as backwards as india
May 27 14:05:48 <cehteh> DocScrutinizer: btw aspirin is a very good/aggressive flux when soldering ... ever tried to solder a oxidized copper cent? .. works without further cleaning with a bit aspirin
May 27 14:06:16 <Lantizia> Any ideas which git wrote this??? http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Custom_back_covers_to_replace_the_original
May 27 14:06:33 <Lantizia> no links or anything - I'm dying or an alternate kickstand (like the n810's)
May 27 14:11:00 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=N900_Accessories&action=history
May 27 14:11:23 <Lantizia> been scanning through that - but there is a lot of history
May 27 14:12:01 <dashavoo> Hmm... how difficult is it to replace the digitiser?
May 27 14:12:24 <dangergrrl> this doc does say gsm later
May 27 14:12:55 <lardman> re
May 27 14:13:02 <dangergrrl> gsm850/1900
May 27 14:13:25 <lardman> dangergrrl: they also have gsm in India
May 27 14:13:45 <Macer> word
May 27 14:13:54 <dangergrrl> and gsm900/1800 outside the usa
May 27 14:15:07 <dangergrrl> yes, but a cdma only device could be intended for india
May 27 14:15:23 <lardman> fair enough
May 27 14:15:32 <dangergrrl> it is a poor country but a LOT of people
May 27 14:15:41 <lardman> hmm, quite exciting really, thought of some new cool hw :)
May 27 14:16:14 <lardman> they are also mad drivers
May 27 14:16:47 <Lantizia> Does an "ezcola" ever frequent here? I HAVE QUESTIONS :P HE VILL TTTTAAALK!
May 27 14:17:06 <lardman> ~seen ezcola
May 27 14:17:16 <infobot> i haven't seen 'ezcola', lardman
May 27 14:17:24 <lardman> thanks infobot
May 27 14:17:53 <Lantizia> hmmmf... it seems it was him who put in the wiki that n810 style kickstands were available for the n900 - with nothing to back it up :(
May 27 14:17:56 <Lantizia> i hate false hope
May 27 14:18:49 <psycho_oreos> Lantizia, there isn't a kickstand that comes attached to N900 but there was this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43593
May 27 14:19:04 <Lantizia> psycho_oreos, seen it
May 27 14:19:29 <psycho_oreos> Lantizia, suppose you didn't like it? :)
May 27 14:19:50 <Lantizia> meh - you'd have to carry it around with you... would rather have it built in
May 27 14:20:24 <psycho_oreos> *nods* fair enough
May 27 14:22:24 <Macer> how do you use this google albums downloader thing?
May 27 14:22:33 <Macer> for the cover art
May 27 14:22:43 <Macer> there is no doc anywhere
May 27 14:22:55 <Macer> not even on google ironically enough
May 27 14:25:25 <dangergrrl> testing for phones is apparently called EMC also
May 27 14:25:44 <dangergrrl> same as for Class A computing devices
May 27 14:26:22 <lardman> is Reggie employed by Nokia these days?
May 27 14:26:24 <dangergrrl> we had an anechoic chamber at IBM and did our own FCC testing
May 27 14:27:14 <lardman> just thinking that in the past we used to see some logs of browser user agent strings around the time of the release of new hw
May 27 14:36:56 <dangergrrl> my n900 is still under warantee and i'm poor i can't replace it until at least the warantee is up
May 27 14:37:20 <dangergrrl> even if they had a new one with 1gb ram and dual core
May 27 14:38:54 <chem|st> is bada worth a try yet, how open is it?
May 27 14:39:16 <lardman> it looked terrible when I downloaded an SDK for it by accident
May 27 14:39:18 <lardman> :)
May 27 14:40:12 <lardman> infobot: name the council
May 27 14:40:34 <lardman> ~council
May 27 14:40:35 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, council is The Maemo Community Council is a five-person body chosen by the Maemo community. The Council's mission is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information." http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council
May 27 14:42:53 <lardman> achipa: are you about in your Council capability?
May 27 15:26:15 * lardman heads off for the day, catch you all later
May 27 15:57:35 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not exactly a karmawhore or too concerned about it at all (karma >300 is useless anyway) BUT: WTF is my karma *dropping* by one or two points every now and then? o.O
May 27 16:00:53 <SpeedEvil> blog posts being downvoted?
May 27 16:01:25 <SpeedEvil> People removing thanks?
May 27 16:02:49 <psycho_oreos> greed!
May 27 16:07:15 <DocScrutinizer> people removing thanks? wtf?
May 27 16:07:29 <DocScrutinizer> I got no blogposts
May 27 16:08:19 <psycho_oreos> bahahahaha I love my hacked attempt at comparing the previously installed packages (list being backed up by osso-backup) against the currently installed packages. It just seems as though HAM can only restore applications once. If user/owner tried to add/remove other packages or probably finishes restoring, they lose that list of packages that didn't get installed.
May 27 16:08:37 <DocScrutinizer> btw Itt-thanks are SQRT()*foo, so to drop karma by one, quite a number of thanks would need to get removed
May 27 16:09:45 <SpeedEvil> yeah
May 27 16:10:13 <SpeedEvil> Something that the karma calculator can't track anyumore?
May 27 16:10:19 <SpeedEvil> can bugs be deleted?
May 27 16:10:22 <dangergrrl> so iḿ not finding much in this SAR report
May 27 16:10:58 <dangergrrl> it is a quad band GSM device with wifi, bluetooth, mobile hotspot, camera, and slide keyboard
May 27 16:11:11 <psycho_oreos> maybe some really old thanked threads got moved into archive and probably karma are being reduced as a result
May 27 16:11:22 <dangergrrl> lots of pretty pictures of how much rf it will put into your skull
May 27 16:13:32 <SpeedEvil> dangergrrl: FMTX?
May 27 16:14:31 <DocScrutinizer> now that'd be funny if karma calculator would ignore closed bugs
May 27 16:14:45 <dangergrrl> hmm
May 27 16:14:52 <dangergrrl> will have to go back to the beginning
May 27 16:15:53 <dangergrrl> i'm 105 pages in and other than what bands it uses and that it has a slide and lens cover it doesn't provide much info
May 27 16:16:10 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: WUT? **MY** posts - even some that earned thanks - got moved to some obscure archive?? UNBEARABLE
May 27 16:16:13 <dangergrrl> and nokia did the testing theirself which is not suprising
May 27 16:16:14 <DocScrutinizer> ;-P
May 27 16:16:50 <dangergrrl> DocScrutinizer: i hacked the database and downvoted you!
May 27 16:16:54 * dangergrrl runs
May 27 16:16:54 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, I don't know :) I don't know how the site operates, its all black magic as far as I'm concerned ;D
May 27 16:17:02 <SpeedEvil> dangergrrl: Done any googling of the numbers?
May 27 16:17:12 <SpeedEvil> dangergrrl: numbers and ID strings in the report
May 27 16:17:26 <DocScrutinizer> dangergrrl: cam cover??? o.O
May 27 16:17:59 <DocScrutinizer> not the device we have seen so many sketches and prorotype photos of
May 27 16:18:09 <dangergrrl> hsupa is 4g?
May 27 16:18:17 <psycho_oreos> doubt it
May 27 16:18:18 <DocScrutinizer> nah. 3.5
May 27 16:18:21 <dangergrrl> aha
May 27 16:18:33 <DocScrutinizer> exactly what N900 does
May 27 16:19:32 <dangergrrl> i thought it said it had a camera cover maybe that was boilerplate
May 27 16:20:05 <psycho_oreos> isn't camera cover made of plastic? :þ
May 27 16:21:08 <dangergrrl> uhm
May 27 16:21:21 <dangergrrl> this may be some entirely different device
May 27 16:21:50 <dangergrrl> i didn't notice any of the tests with slide open
May 27 16:21:52 <psycho_oreos> oh.. that stillborn :þ
May 27 16:22:04 <timeless_xchat> help
May 27 16:22:07 <dangergrrl> in the beginning it says devices with a slide must be tested with it open
May 27 16:22:23 <psycho_oreos> help?
May 27 16:22:24 <timeless_xchat> how do i get *out* of meetup.com meetup groups?
May 27 16:22:37 <dangergrrl> but why would all the tests say slide closed if there was no slide
May 27 16:23:14 <dangergrrl> don't go?
May 27 16:23:55 <timeless_xchat> it spams me!
May 27 16:23:57 <timeless_xchat> a lot!
May 27 16:24:07 * timeless_xchat finds the way out
May 27 16:24:33 <SpeedEvil> dangergrrl: may mean keyboard slide
May 27 16:24:46 <psycho_oreos> timeless_xchat, under Account > Membership & Communication
May 27 16:25:33 <psycho_oreos> you should be able to set it in a way that meetup.com won't spam you I think
May 27 16:25:50 <timeless_xchat> i just tried that
May 27 16:25:59 <timeless_xchat> is meetup worth it
May 27 16:26:16 <timeless_xchat> or should i ask to kill my account, and if so, how?
May 27 16:27:28 <dangergrrl> i dunno :)
May 27 16:27:37 <psycho_oreos> heh I wouldn't know how to remove account, I know you can set it to leave group or not receive updates from a group, etc
May 27 16:27:52 <dangergrrl> this sar test report does not mention fm radio band testing
May 27 16:28:35 <psycho_oreos> there's an unsubscribe completely from meetup.com thingy on that same page.. it probably won't remove your account but maybe in theory it might stop all that spamming
May 27 16:28:44 <dangergrrl> presumably a device with an fm band transmitter would be subject to sar testing on that band but i don't know
May 27 16:29:12 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: btw the thanks are displayed on each post upper right, and never really dropped for me
May 27 16:29:31 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: maybe devels leaving my groups without me even noticing?
May 27 16:29:53 <DocScrutinizer> (not that there are that many ;-D )
May 27 16:31:36 <dangergrrl> https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=233837&fcc_id=%27LJPRM-680%27
May 27 16:31:57 <dangergrrl> the SAR report on that page on page 6 lists the bands it was tested on
May 27 16:32:16 <dangergrrl> wireless n-mode but single band like so many other devices
May 27 16:33:29 <dangergrrl> i looked at like 105 pages and all the stuff that looked interesting was at the beginning
May 27 16:35:07 <dangergrrl> linked from http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames
May 27 16:42:59 <timeless_xchat> ah, thanks for the hint about unsubscribe completely
May 27 16:43:31 <timeless_xchat> grr
May 27 16:43:43 <timeless_xchat> that requires me to know my password
May 27 16:43:46 <dangergrrl> which also mentions that osso is 'open source software operations'
May 27 16:44:01 <psycho_oreos> hope that works :)
May 27 16:52:19 <khertan> https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=233837&fcc_id=%27LJPRX-71%27 <<< RX-71 same report ?
May 27 16:52:50 <khertan> :)
May 27 16:57:42 <dangergrrl> rx-71 is an omap 3 device with possibly less keys according to the codenames page
May 27 17:00:48 <MohammadAG> yay timeless_xchat is still around
May 27 17:01:10 <MohammadAG> dangergrrl, wasn't that thing from N8x0 times?
May 27 17:02:02 <timeless_xchat> kinda, catching a plane out of SJC in ~2hrs
May 27 17:03:57 <dangergrrl> no idea
May 27 17:04:58 <dangergrrl> the tmo thread is 2009 though
May 27 17:13:46 <MohammadAG> dangergrrl, I doubt that thing still exists, it's way too old of a rumor
May 27 17:16:28 <Jaffa> RX-71 was coincident with N900, IIRC. RX-51 & RX-71.
May 27 17:19:40 <GAN900> Jaffa, can I send revisions this afternoon (PDT)?
May 27 17:23:24 <GAN900> Jaffa, nevermind. Sent now.
May 27 17:24:01 <Jaffa> GAN900: Sure
May 27 17:24:05 <Jaffa> GAN900: Ah, cool.
May 27 17:33:48 <dangergrrl> well, khertan linked the rx-71 report so i looked
May 27 17:34:00 <dangergrrl> but that is indeed old
May 27 17:43:05 <ZogG> MohammadAG hey
May 27 17:46:30 <MohammadAG> heya ZogG
May 27 17:47:39 <ZogG> MohammadAG sup
May 27 17:48:28 <ZogG> MohammadAG, when you used iphone4 how did you sync music on linux? as all i try to install wants hal and i don't have it and it makes conflicts // do not want to recompile everything with hal as got rid of it long time ago
May 27 17:49:23 <MohammadAG> ZogG, rythmbox should work fine
May 27 17:49:41 <MohammadAG> or Banshee
May 27 17:50:28 <ZogG> banshee is no go
May 27 17:50:42 <ZogG> when i use iphone flag it tries to get hal
May 27 17:50:58 <ZogG> [blocks B      ] sys-apps/hal ("sys-apps/hal" is blocking sys-power/upower-0.9.10)
May 27 17:51:07 <ZogG> same as rhythmbox
May 27 17:51:16 <MohammadAG> what system is this?
May 27 17:51:21 <ZogG> gentoo
May 27 17:51:21 <MohammadAG> cause no sane system uses hal
May 27 17:51:28 <MohammadAG> oh, no idea
May 27 17:51:32 <MohammadAG> hal is deprecated
May 27 17:51:33 <ZogG> haha that's what you think
May 27 17:51:48 <MohammadAG> hal isn't there on all new systems
May 27 17:51:53 <ZogG> MohammadAG yeah i know and i got rid of it a long time ago before bubuntu =)
May 27 17:51:59 <ZogG> that's why it's problem for me
May 27 17:52:26 <MohammadAG> then recompile rythmbox
May 27 17:53:08 <ZogG> sys-apps/hal required by (media-libs/libgpod-9999::local_overlay, ebuild scheduled for merge)
May 27 17:53:54 <ZogG> oh
May 27 17:53:59 <ZogG> i found the problem
May 27 17:54:15 <ZogG> i use /libgpod-9999 that is oooold =)
May 27 17:54:32 <ZogG> actually it's ironic but 0.8.0 is new one =)
May 27 17:56:00 <Itschue> docscrutinizer
May 27 18:08:27 <dangergrrl> aha
May 27 18:08:59 <dangergrrl> was gonna say USE="-hal" might help
May 27 19:03:58 <DocScrutinizer> nice read (recommended, and yes, please point *me* at it as well, whenever due :-D ): http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml
May 27 19:04:39 <piggz_> my latitude desktop widget seems more stable now (touch wood) ... hasnt crashed all day, anyone wanting to update their position, feel free to use it :)
May 27 19:14:51 <joga> meh..my latitude (dell d630) bugged out again during lecture...kernel says drm nouveau blabla cursor brokensomething and awful slowdowns all the time, I hope my desktop recording didn't get botched up because of that but I'm afraid it did
May 27 19:14:56 <joga> still encoding
May 27 19:15:14 <joga> I lost my cursor from the laptop screen but it showed up on the projector :)
May 27 19:41:34 <blizzow> I re-flashed my n900 but left the 32GB intact.  The media player doesn't see any songs now.   I've rebooted the phone and even seen the "please wait while media player searches for files" dialog.  But nothing is showing up.  Does anyone know what I can do to fix this?
May 27 19:45:45 <Itschue> hello i need help flashing my n900 few days ago it shutdown and dont start only the white nokia screnncomes up and then it shutdown. i flashed fiasco but didnt help. then i want to flash vanilla but the usb symbol goes away when i tried to flash and the flasher is waiting what can i do now?
May 27 19:46:04 <kerio> blizzow: wait
May 27 19:46:08 <kerio> or tracker-processes -k
May 27 19:46:14 <kerio> (or something like that)
May 27 19:48:04 <MohammadAG> blizzow, it should show a timer
May 27 19:48:13 <DocScrutinizer> pleae help Itschue with flashing, and be gentle with his english.
May 27 19:48:18 <MohammadAG> if that doesn't work, check that /home/user is writable, and check it has space
May 27 19:48:41 <MohammadAG> Itschue, try flashing fiasco then vanilla without -R
May 27 19:48:53 <MohammadAG> I realize this isn't the "right" way, but it's flasher that's retarded
May 27 19:50:01 <Itschue> ok i flash fiasco wihout -r than vanilla and then ?
May 27 19:50:30 <DocScrutinizer> thne you should be done if all works well
May 27 19:50:46 <MohammadAG> Yep, just unplug the USB
May 27 19:50:46 <DocScrutinizer> o/
May 27 19:50:57 <MohammadAG> I'm interested in what else MkII flashing mode can do, but meh
May 27 19:52:11 <Itschuee> i am back
May 27 19:52:20 <Itschuee> disconnect
May 27 19:52:34 <MohammadAG> <DocScrutinizer> thne you should be done if all works well
May 27 19:52:34 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> Yep, just unplug the USB
May 27 19:52:39 <DocScrutinizer> Itschue: prohint: pastebin your flasher cmdline and reply of flasher program
May 27 19:53:41 <DocScrutinizer> we can tell by a single glance if all worked smooth
May 27 19:54:15 <DocScrutinizer> bbl
May 27 19:55:26 <DocScrutinizer> ~pastebin
May 27 19:55:27 <infobot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.
May 27 19:56:10 <dangergrrl> the sdk doesn't support talking to Xephyr over tcp/ip
May 27 19:56:46 <DocScrutinizer> or use 'cat [filename] | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234
May 27 19:56:52 <Itschuee> doc in german plz
May 27 19:57:58 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, there's pastebinit :p
May 27 19:58:01 <DocScrutinizer> kopiere deine commandozeile im terminal (die mit flasher-3.5 dideldumdidum...) und die antwort von flasher nach http://www.pastebin.com
May 27 19:58:24 <DocScrutinizer> doesn't work here MohammadAG
May 27 19:58:43 <DocScrutinizer> all pastebin services changed their API
May 27 19:58:51 <MohammadAG> antwort = output? :P
May 27 19:58:55 <DocScrutinizer> got no new version
May 27 19:58:58 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 27 19:59:01 <DocScrutinizer> answer
May 27 19:59:35 <MohammadAG> sure about that?
May 27 19:59:36 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# echo sometest | pastebinit
May 27 19:59:36 <MohammadAG> http://pastebin.com/Mq4MC08X
May 27 19:59:53 <DocScrutinizer> Itschuee: then give us the URL you got from http://www.pastebin.com
May 27 20:00:15 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: that's true on N900, but not for my PC
May 27 20:00:52 <MohammadAG> Guessing translations is fun, "Copy the command into terminal (the ??? flasher-3.5 ???...) and the output from flasher on pastebin.com"?
May 27 20:01:15 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, copy the pastebinit from the N900 to your PC, it's python :p
May 27 20:01:24 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 27 20:02:02 <DocScrutinizer> anyway I know "cat | paste.dyndns.org 1234" by heart
May 27 20:02:06 <Itschuee> http://pastebin.com/DH4wnjBp
May 27 20:02:14 <Sicelo> this might be ot... but i have 90% linux knowledge i have was gleaned from this chan :) .. like this one just now 'cat [filename] | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234
May 27 20:02:26 <Sicelo> thanks DocScrutinizer
May 27 20:02:32 <Itschuee> same error as befor want flash vanilla usb symbol goes away and flasher is waiting
May 27 20:02:44 <MohammadAG> Itschuee, says unknown paste ID
May 27 20:02:48 <DocScrutinizer> Itschuee: ^^^
May 27 20:03:16 <Itschuee> mom
May 27 20:03:49 <Sicelo> /s/but i have/but/
May 27 20:03:51 <Itschuee> http://pastebin.com/DH4wnjBb
May 27 20:06:10 <DocScrutinizer> empty?
May 27 20:07:50 <Itschuee> and why shows my laptop it?
May 27 20:08:04 <dangergrrl> wgetpaste doesn't work anymore?
May 27 20:08:50 <Itschuee> i can dowbnload it
May 27 20:10:52 <Itschuee> i can it only see on my laptop on my desktop not why?
May 27 20:11:19 <DocScrutinizer> you haven't sent it yet?
May 27 20:12:16 <Itschuee> i configured public etc and klick on submit
May 27 20:12:21 <DocScrutinizer> "submit"
May 27 20:12:38 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, so it should give you  a new URL
May 27 20:12:45 <Itschuee> no i tri it from my desktop
May 27 20:15:01 <MohammadAG> looks empty to me too
May 27 20:15:32 <DocScrutinizer> either submit failed, or he missed the new URL, or he set even "private"
May 27 20:15:49 <DocScrutinizer> http://pastebin.com/2nhmR4fc
May 27 20:16:15 <DocScrutinizer> click on "CREATE NEW PASTE"
May 27 20:16:32 <DocScrutinizer> edit, click "SUBMIT"
May 27 20:16:45 <DocScrutinizer> post NEW url here
May 27 20:17:00 * DocScrutinizer is definitely gone now o/
May 27 20:17:02 <Itschuee> i set public
May 27 20:17:18 <Itschuee> the txt from linux to windows didnt work
May 27 20:18:17 <Itschuee> http://pastebin.com/b9gLZi7B
May 27 20:18:17 <DocScrutinizer> Itschuee: in your terminal highlight all the relevant text with left mousbutton
May 27 20:18:38 <Itschuee> and prees ctrl+c
May 27 20:18:39 <DocScrutinizer> or just that :-)
May 27 20:18:53 <Itschuee> ct..?
May 27 20:18:57 <DocScrutinizer> ctrl-c doesn't work for copy in terminal
May 27 20:19:09 <Itschuee> then it was the mouse
May 27 20:19:14 <DocScrutinizer> anyway you found your way
May 27 20:19:21 <Sicelo> lol.. knoppix too, like me :)
May 27 20:19:27 <DocScrutinizer> it's here now, and I'm gone now
May 27 20:19:42 <Itschuee> i had my way but i dondt why it isnt visible to you
May 27 20:20:00 <DocScrutinizer> it is now
May 27 20:20:02 <DocScrutinizer> o/
May 27 20:20:37 <Itschuee> pastebin is it?
May 27 20:21:25 <Itschuee> oh jyes there is it fine
May 27 20:21:33 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, private means no one sees it in pastebin logs, but anyone can see it with a link
May 27 20:21:34 <MohammadAG> CTRL+C doesn't copy, it sends a terminate signal
May 27 20:21:40 <DocScrutinizer> one *last* note (I'll never get away from here...): seems this is the known linux distro related problem
May 27 20:22:15 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: modprobe crap
May 27 20:22:55 <DocScrutinizer> Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204
May 27 20:22:56 <DocScrutinizer> NOLO version 1.4.14
May 27 20:23:06 <DocScrutinizer> Booting device into flash mode.
May 27 20:23:08 <DocScrutinizer> Suitable USB device not found, waiting.
May 27 20:23:27 <DocScrutinizer> modprobe -r phonet etc pp
May 27 20:24:08 <DocScrutinizer> also : http://www.absolutelytech.com/2010/04/18/solved-unable-to-enumerate-usb-device-disabling-ehci_hcd/
May 27 20:24:33 <Itschuee> soll ich irgendwas mit modprobe machen?
May 27 20:24:44 <DocScrutinizer> I'm GONE now, somebody might help Itschuee with this
May 27 20:25:56 <DocScrutinizer> also don't forget 'U'
May 27 20:26:41 <Itschuee> what for a U ?
May 27 20:30:42 <Itschuee> so i diasbled ehci now flash vanilla or fiasko first?
May 27 20:31:47 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, even though you have gone, I tried to take a photo of liqbase on my ideapad http://liqbase.net/2011-05-24-231851.jpg
May 27 20:33:33 <trumee> seems like Phonet module is broken in kernel power v47
May 27 20:34:20 <trumee> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1017020&postcount=649
May 27 20:34:45 <trumee> Its a pity i will have downgrade to v46.
May 27 20:35:06 <trumee> Phonet unknown PEP type :1
May 27 20:35:30 <trumee> is what i get if i start sharing wifi of my N900 with laptop
May 27 20:36:16 <Itschuee> where can i vind v46?
May 27 20:37:10 <Itschuee> mohammanAG same error as befor and now?
May 27 20:46:37 <Sicelo> while you wait for help, Itschuee, is your battery charged?
May 27 20:47:47 <Sicelo> from wiki, If the USB logo does not appear, and the device turns off - ensure the battery is charged by connecting to the wall charger for an hour and try again
May 27 20:48:48 <DocScrutinizer> Itschuee: make sure your battery isn't too low - try *)boot your PC *)start flasher command for VANILLA *)plug in N900 with battery removed *)insert battery to N900 (while holding 'u' key on N900) - flashing of VANILLA img should start instantly
May 27 20:49:35 <DocScrutinizer> read the wiki page completely, incl troubleshooting section
May 27 20:49:41 * DocScrutinizer is gone again
May 27 20:49:51 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
May 27 20:49:51 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 27 20:50:52 <DocScrutinizer> (do NOT attach N900 to frashly booted PC until flasher cmd is started!)
May 27 20:51:00 <DocScrutinizer> freshly*
May 27 20:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> after that do same procedure for COMBINED
May 27 21:25:57 <Arcueid_> Excuse me
May 27 21:26:22 <Arcueid_> I'd like to have a word with a native english speaker, or at least someone who's fluent in the language.
May 27 21:26:54 <Arcueid_> It's about a simple language test, two questions at most.
May 27 21:26:57 <Arcueid_> Anybody?
May 27 21:28:14 <SpeedEvil> Arcueid_: what?
May 27 21:28:17 <SpeedEvil> pm
May 27 21:28:20 <SpeedEvil> If it's not maemo
May 27 21:35:48 <MoonTiger> hi guys :)
May 27 21:36:31 <MoonTiger> is there a crypto api available doing c/c++ dev on maemo5?
May 27 21:50:31 <dashavoo> Arghhhh
May 27 21:50:46 <dashavoo> bloody usb thing just came out :(
May 27 21:51:41 <SpeedEvil> Where ar eyou dash?
May 27 22:00:10 <MoonTiger> dashavoo, the charger socket?
May 27 22:04:53 <dashavoo> SpeedEvil: UK
May 27 22:05:26 <SpeedEvil> Well - then - you're in luck.
May 27 22:05:35 <SpeedEvil> You have another several months of warranty.
May 27 22:05:41 <dashavoo> my warranty is void I think
May 27 22:05:43 <SpeedEvil> It's 2 years - and  years isn't up yet.
May 27 22:05:45 <SpeedEvil> Why?
May 27 22:06:41 <dashavoo> my screen smashed, and so I had it repaired by the insurance company. I am guessing that, since they aren't Nokia, that voided the warranty.
May 27 22:08:39 <DocScrutinizer> nope
May 27 22:09:02 <dashavoo> DocScrutinizer: it didn't?
May 27 22:09:20 <DocScrutinizer> a manufacturer can't reject warranty just beause somebody else fixed an unrelated part of a unit
May 27 22:09:35 <dashavoo> hmmm, that is great news
May 27 22:09:51 <rzr> hi
May 27 22:10:29 <dashavoo> In that case, I suppose I need to send it to Nokia?
May 27 22:10:47 <DocScrutinizer> if they'd claim the defect is caused by prior repair done by sb else, then they might face a lawsiut where they had to prove that
May 27 22:11:55 <DocScrutinizer> dashavoo: in the end they probably don't care or even don't realize
May 27 22:12:46 <DocScrutinizer> afaik a broken USB is a lightswap, means new mainboard. OR nowadays maybe even completely new device
May 27 22:13:49 <DocScrutinizer> (send to...) dunno who's your service parter in UK
May 27 22:14:26 <DocScrutinizer> usually the shop where you bought it, or an arbitrary other certified nokia dealer
May 27 22:14:52 <cehteh> does nokia repair all broken usb ports meanwhile or do they reject (iirc there where reports about being rejected at least)
May 27 22:15:13 <DocScrutinizer> I guess it depends
May 27 22:15:41 <DocScrutinizer> if half the case is in pieces as well, I'd think they tellya to ....***
May 27 22:15:54 <cehteh> yeah "my usb port got loose while an elephant stomped on the device" might be a bad call
May 27 22:16:06 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
May 27 22:16:16 <DocScrutinizer> o/
May 27 22:16:23 <DocScrutinizer> (back to my beer)
May 27 22:16:28 <cehteh> have fun
May 27 22:17:17 <dashavoo> DocScrutinizer: I bought it from the nokia shop websi
May 27 22:17:22 <dashavoo> enjy your beer
May 27 22:17:37 <SpeedEvil> I don't see how you can sanely repair the USB port.
May 27 22:17:48 <SpeedEvil> The pads are usually pulled off the board.
May 27 22:18:05 <SpeedEvil> It is possible to hack it up with epoxy, and soldering to nearby points on the board.
May 27 22:18:14 <SpeedEvil> But I'd hesitate offering that up as a reliable repair.
May 27 22:18:41 <cehteh> thats something you can do on your own if the repair gets rejected .. but nothing nokia would do
May 27 22:21:40 <dashavoo> SpeedEvil: if they refuse to repair it, it might fall to that
May 27 22:21:42 <dashavoo> thanks
May 27 22:22:12 <SpeedEvil> Good luck.
May 27 22:40:43 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ping
May 27 22:40:45 <infobot> ~pong
May 27 23:34:39 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: you know what's a linux BSP? (hardware related sw)
May 27 23:35:00 <SpeedEvil> Board Support Package
May 27 23:35:18 <DocScrutinizer> yeah!! I was afraid nobody ever heard of that
May 27 23:36:20 <DocScrutinizer> obviously nobody at Nokia ever heard of that, or they simply didn'T consider shipping BSPs with their new devices
May 27 23:36:45 <SpeedEvil> Would be awesome.
May 27 23:36:53 <DocScrutinizer> and so simple
May 27 23:36:57 <SpeedEvil> Especially the w7 ones. :)
May 27 23:37:02 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 27 23:39:05 <DocScrutinizer> can't cost Nokia more than a tiny few manmonths to get a BSP out for a new device
May 27 23:39:31 <DocScrutinizer> and it'd be BOLD HEADLINES
May 27 23:41:00 <DocScrutinizer> and waaay better than that semi-closed maemo crap, probably even better than what ever they might plan for meego
May 27 23:42:00 <DocScrutinizer> in the end Nokia meego is nothing more but just an extremely bloated BSP, at least in my book
May 27 23:43:09 <DocScrutinizer> if only Nokia could loose the notion they were in control of the whole OS
May 27 23:43:46 <DocScrutinizer> they never really got the catch of FOSS and community driven development it seems to me
May 27 23:46:29 <cehteh> orly
May 27 23:46:39 <cehteh> well some yes ..
May 27 23:46:44 * DocScrutinizer heard somebody next block shout "BME!!"
May 27 23:47:05 <cehteh> but the problem is that nokia is big
May 27 23:47:33 <cehteh> marketing thinks in revenue terms not in commuity/share/giveback
May 27 23:47:47 <cehteh> and upper management prolly too
May 27 23:47:56 <DocScrutinizer> revenue == sold devices - own expense
May 27 23:48:06 <cehteh> well yes but they dont get it
May 27 23:48:08 <SpeedEvil> Not quite.
May 27 23:48:22 <SpeedEvil> They almost don't care about sold devices on a model-by-model basis.
May 27 23:48:34 <SpeedEvil> But on how it impacts on future sales.
May 27 23:48:40 <DocScrutinizer> meh
May 27 23:49:19 <cehteh> SpeedEvil: but then still they dont get the free software community and how it works and riding the horse backwards
May 27 23:49:29 <DocScrutinizer> what could have a more longterm more exciting impact on future sales than promising to ship BSPs with *all* their new devices for the next 5 yeras
May 27 23:49:43 <SpeedEvil> cehteh: Indeed.
May 27 23:50:23 <cehteh> with more commitment and opening up maemo, good communication and not a turn in directions every few month they could have major platform now
May 27 23:50:31 <DocScrutinizer> NB *in addition* to any redmond crap for mass market they might decide to roll out their new stuff with
May 27 23:50:41 <pauly> hi
May 27 23:51:08 <cehteh> selling 3 or 4 maemo 5 based devices ... dont need to care overly much for in house development except for drivers and kernel support
May 27 23:51:26 <DocScrutinizer> ""comes with WinP7 *and* support for linux developers""
May 27 23:51:31 <pauly> i have n900 with broken usb any way to re-install or reflash rootfs without usb?
May 27 23:51:55 <SpeedEvil> pauly: yes, but it's tricky.
May 27 23:52:02 <MohammadAG> pads on the back
May 27 23:52:19 <cehteh> no warranty anymore?
May 27 23:52:20 <SpeedEvil> pauly: And there are no FAQs, you basically need to understand how to boot meego on the device, and use it to flash the image over.
May 27 23:52:21 <DocScrutinizer> pauly: extremely tricky
May 27 23:52:23 <pauly> yes
May 27 23:52:25 <pauly> ugh how to do that without taking out battery
May 27 23:52:51 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, or use the pads
May 27 23:52:52 <cehteh> pauly: you have a external charger?
May 27 23:53:01 <cehteh> if not, then you are doomed sooner or later :)
May 27 23:53:02 <pauly> yes
May 27 23:53:07 <pauly> external charger
May 27 23:53:09 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: he can't boot meego
May 27 23:53:20 <DocScrutinizer> or do we have kexec now?
May 27 23:53:23 <SpeedEvil> pauly: Does your device boot maemo normally?
May 27 23:53:29 <pauly> yes
May 27 23:53:29 <cehteh> do we have an actual kernel?
May 27 23:53:39 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: you install the meego bootloader package whatever it's called - I forgot
May 27 23:53:46 <DocScrutinizer> aah yes
May 27 23:53:54 <DocScrutinizer> good luck with that
May 27 23:54:01 <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, the one person that's done it that I know of hasn't written a FAQ.
May 27 23:54:02 <DocScrutinizer> a no-tolerance route
May 27 23:54:11 <cehteh> repairing the usb might be easier :P
May 27 23:54:23 <MohammadAG> no one's mentioning pads under the battery, am I missing something?
May 27 23:54:24 <SpeedEvil> pauly: IIRC yesterday you said you were in hte states?
May 27 23:54:30 <pauly> yes
May 27 23:54:38 <pauly> usa woohoo
May 27 23:54:48 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: my initial comment was an aswer to you
May 27 23:55:02 <pauly> i would do that but how do i keep phone on without the battery being on it
May 27 23:55:19 <cehteh> MohammadAG: didnt we just talked about nokia should open up some (or all, wishful thinking) specs
May 27 23:55:44 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: as I thought SpeedEvil talks about that
May 27 23:55:49 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, your initial comment was?
May 27 23:55:59 <MohammadAG> oh, extremely tricky?
May 27 23:55:59 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-05-28 01:51:53] <DocScrutinizer> pauly: extremely tricky
May 27 23:56:05 <MohammadAG> just get some wires in there
May 27 23:56:16 <MohammadAG> I might do it some time, as practice
May 27 23:56:18 <pauly> yeah okay :)
May 27 23:56:21 <DocScrutinizer> basically yes
May 27 23:56:32 <MohammadAG> but in the end, it's just USB port pinouts
May 27 23:56:44 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: first read my comment on that tmo thread, please
May 27 23:56:47 <pauly> makes sence use wires for connectio to usb
May 27 23:56:58 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, link? on the N900 atm
May 27 23:57:05 <DocScrutinizer> meh, closed it
May 27 23:57:25 <DocScrutinizer> no longer interesting as nobody answered during 6h
May 27 23:57:38 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, got the title or keywords?
May 27 23:57:51 * DocScrutinizer scratches head
May 27 23:58:00 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: check my recent posts
May 27 23:58:08 <MohammadAG> oh, that'd work too
May 27 23:58:11 <DocScrutinizer> 2 or 3 back
May 27 23:58:35 <MohammadAG> timeless_xchat, btw, did you ever notice bookmarks disappearing?
May 27 23:58:46 <MohammadAG> I lost all 20 bookmarks from microB
May 27 23:59:18 <DocScrutinizer> :-S
May 27 23:59:45 <DocScrutinizer> restore form backup?
May 28 00:00:15 <MohammadAG> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1016358#post1016358
May 28 00:00:18 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders where microB holds its bookmarks
May 28 00:00:27 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I'm hardcore, no backups
May 28 00:00:32 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
May 28 00:00:57 <MohammadAG> I just boot up some custom image, copy importrant stuff, then flash when something bad happens
May 28 00:01:12 <MohammadAG> of course, that's after trying to fix that thing...
May 28 00:02:43 <pauly> thanks!
May 28 00:03:37 <MohammadAG> woah, using - as GND is...
May 28 00:12:30 <DocScrutinizer> bat minus as GND? is a really goofy idea
May 28 00:14:35 <cehteh> it works on cars :P
May 28 00:15:14 <DocScrutinizer> pauly: you can use those testpads for an occasional flashing, if you make sure you got no statical charge etc, and keep device under close supervision (no more protective fuse etc)
May 28 00:15:32 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: not on all though ;-P
May 28 00:16:05 <cehteh> with some wires you could put the battery externally and access the pads
May 28 00:16:13 <DocScrutinizer> I think especially some UK cars second half of last century had chassis=+
May 28 00:16:18 <pauly> yeah
May 28 00:16:31 <pauly> i can do that!
May 28 00:16:44 <cehteh> ah because they drive on the left side i guess :)
May 28 00:17:37 <DocScrutinizer> on N900 neither + nor - is GND
May 28 00:17:41 <cehteh> so if a uk car has an accident with a continental car, does that give a short-circuit? :)
May 28 00:17:56 * cehteh runs
May 28 00:18:29 <cehteh> DocScrutinizer: is usb gnd == device gnd?
May 28 00:18:59 <cehteh> (can we even speak about a common ground potential anymore on such a device?)
May 28 00:19:01 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: better run when you just kickstart the - car from a + car with wires, and some fool opens the door and slams it ito the other car
May 28 00:19:48 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: common GND is -, but that's not battery's -
May 28 00:19:48 <cehteh> haha the biggier car batteries suffice for welding :)
May 28 00:20:26 <DocScrutinizer> the battery charge gauge shunts are in bat-minus to GND
May 28 00:20:55 <DocScrutinizer> USB GND is plain GND
May 28 00:22:10 <DocScrutinizer> AV GND is NOT plain GND, it's an antenna
May 28 00:23:42 <DocScrutinizer> well, part of an antenna
May 28 00:24:50 <DocScrutinizer> connecting N900 to PC with USB and a AV cable can result in "funny" effects
May 28 00:25:56 <DocScrutinizer> like magic blue smoke escaping from L4086/7 and your AV out dead after that
May 28 00:27:30 <cehteh> outch
May 28 00:27:50 <cehteh> isnt that halfway common that somone would try that?
May 28 00:28:32 <DocScrutinizer> halfway common and haldway unlikely to cause drastic effects
May 28 00:29:49 <DocScrutinizer> but those 2 chokes are between USB GND and AV GND, and if the PC decides to have a strong potential (i.e. some volt) between his USB and mic/lin-in connectors then those will heat up and blow
May 28 00:30:32 <DocScrutinizer> uckily most PC don't do such nasty things. Car however, and their car stereo...
May 28 00:30:59 <DocScrutinizer> l*uckily
May 28 00:31:24 <DocScrutinizer> plus the notorious crappy carcharger
May 28 00:31:36 <cehteh> .. charging n900 over 48V phantom power line :P
May 28 00:31:44 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, yeah
May 28 00:34:07 <DocScrutinizer> anyway you shouldn't touch the battery + with your AV cable when pugged in to N900 ;-)
May 28 00:35:00 <DocScrutinizer> you probably also should stay away from any device powered from mains as long as N900 is connected to a random charger or PC via USB
May 28 00:39:41 <DocScrutinizer> or you get one of these: http://www.henri.de/audiotechnik/verstaerker/audiokonverter/4097/trenntrafo-audiotrafo-nf-trafo-cinchstecker/cinchbuchse.html?c=610 and are on the safe side of fence, also with hum that frequently is caused by multiple earth like what I've described above. If you get hum or even next shortwave-broadcast station on your home stereo when using N900 as a mp3player and hooked it up to charger, then get one of those
May 28 00:40:17 <DocScrutinizer> it's called a GND-loop
May 28 00:41:00 <DocScrutinizer> (not the device, the problem) and it causes current to flow from one GND thru N900 to the other GND
May 28 00:41:23 <SpeedEvil> Or the other way:
May 28 00:41:56 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, yeah
May 28 00:42:06 <SpeedEvil> USB isolator
May 28 00:42:29 <DocScrutinizer> aaah, thought you meant from GND to GND, instead of from GND to GND
May 28 00:42:43 <SpeedEvil> http://www.analog.com/en/interface/digital-isolators/adum3160/products/product.html
May 28 00:42:50 <DocScrutinizer> USB isolator - how does it work for charging?
May 28 00:42:54 <SpeedEvil> It'd be really, really cool, as opposed to just cool.
May 28 00:42:59 <SpeedEvil> If it did USB2
May 28 00:44:04 <DocScrutinizer> YAY, that's a monster
May 28 00:46:44 <SpeedEvil> They also have som other really cool parts - like isolated gate drivers with power for the gate driver.
May 28 00:50:59 <DocScrutinizer> well this one at least doesn't even mention power transfer from VBUS1 to VBUS2
May 28 00:51:08 <SpeedEvil> yeah - it doesn't.
May 28 00:51:13 <DocScrutinizer> no charging while using this part ;-)
May 28 00:54:01 <DocScrutinizer> btw Nokia wallwart charger is semi-safe as it has no "GND"
May 28 00:55:35 <DocScrutinizer> with PC as power supply for N900 that's an entirely different story
May 28 00:59:15 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: for things like AD/DA converters with drivers (motors, other 'dirty' stuff) this usb isolator is just fine, even with 12Mb/s
May 28 00:59:23 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
May 28 00:59:44 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: devices needing 480Mb/s can afford more expensive stuff
May 28 01:00:39 <SpeedEvil> True - I diddn't say it wasn't useful - just that usb2 would be much cooler.
May 28 01:01:17 <DocScrutinizer> :nod: but you know about the insane PHY requirements of USB2
May 28 01:01:24 <SpeedEvil> yeah.
May 28 01:01:43 <DocScrutinizer> you even have to use selected low capacity tranzorbs
May 28 01:02:18 <DocScrutinizer> the usual ones have up to 50pF which is too much (or sth like that)
May 28 01:02:21 <GAN900> See the new tweet from Forum Nokia"
May 28 01:02:24 <GAN900> ?
May 28 01:02:36 <DocScrutinizer> eh?
May 28 01:04:08 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: what is it about? link?
May 28 01:07:29 <cehteh> http://www.asymco.com/2011/05/27/microsoft-has-received-five-times-more-income-from-android-than-from-windows-phone/
May 28 01:07:32 <cehteh> rofl
May 28 01:08:16 <GAN900> How do I link tweets?
May 28 01:08:39 <DocScrutinizer> I got nfc, I don't even know exactly what's a tweet
May 28 01:09:17 <GAN900> http://twitter.com/#!/forumnokia/status/74158222302380032
May 28 01:10:06 <DocScrutinizer> ummm
May 28 01:10:13 <DocScrutinizer> rather blank page
May 28 01:11:08 <DocScrutinizer> meh
May 28 01:12:01 <DocScrutinizer> I guess "optimized for MS Explorer"
May 28 01:12:26 <DocScrutinizer> loading like 70 pics and showing a tiny bird and a huge blank screen
May 28 01:12:51 <cos^> "What’s your lucky number? We think it might be 18. Stay tuned for more info coming on 1 June. Tell a friend."
May 28 01:13:06 <DocScrutinizer> uhuh
May 28 01:13:53 <DocScrutinizer> now if this would make any more sense that the empty page....
May 28 01:14:02 <cehteh> haha
May 28 01:14:04 <DocScrutinizer> thanks anyway
May 28 01:14:31 <cehteh> i miss the twitter manual page too .. and prolly i dont want to read it either
May 28 01:15:26 <DocScrutinizer> reminds me at liqtorch - 5mb for a completely white screen
May 28 01:15:43 <cehteh>  failed in write on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb during `./scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/objdump': No space left on device
May 28 01:15:45 <cehteh> grr
May 28 01:19:27 <cehteh> __download_dest=/tmp
May 28 01:19:31 <cehteh> hardcoded nice
May 28 01:19:39 <DocScrutinizer> hah
May 28 01:19:56 * DocScrutinizer hands cehteh the lart
May 28 01:20:04 <cehteh> (not hard enough)
May 28 01:20:13 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 28 01:20:16 <cehteh> the scratchbox installer
May 28 01:20:47 <DocScrutinizer> ohnoes, the py gui crap?
May 28 01:20:58 <cehteh> __download_dest=/tmp
May 28 01:21:02 <cehteh> nope the .sh
May 28 01:21:06 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
May 28 01:21:18 <cehteh> Saving to: `/var/tmp/scratchbox-devkit-doctools_1.0.13_i386.deb'
May 28 01:21:21 <cehteh> fixed
May 28 01:22:00 <DocScrutinizer> kickit
May 28 01:22:04 <cehteh> good to have a caching proxy here .. else i would need to D/L all the crap again
May 28 01:22:23 <DocScrutinizer> sounds exactly like py gui
May 28 01:22:39 <cehteh> nope  http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0/maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh
May 28 01:23:20 <cehteh> installing it remotely over ssh .. i hope it doesnt try to open a window
May 28 01:24:15 <DocScrutinizer> yo maan, looks *cool* with all those __*
May 28 01:30:54 <DocScrutinizer> I think you could fix line 128 to not dl files that are already there
May 28 01:33:37 <cehteh> proxy works well
May 28 01:34:22 <cehteh> at least as long my internet connection is slower than my rusty proxy
May 28 01:34:50 <cehteh> but we may change to cable internet in a few months, guess that would obsolete my old via C3 :)
May 28 01:47:02 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: umm, see #252
May 28 01:47:25 <DocScrutinizer> and #272
May 28 01:50:47 <DocScrutinizer> well, #82 finally
May 28 01:55:01 <cehteh> eh what bugs? .. i dont care about bugs :P
May 28 01:56:31 * cehteh wonders what the people smoked who created the fuse api :P
May 28 01:57:25 <cehteh> anyways .. very basic filesystem works
May 28 02:06:40 <SpeedEvil> What're you doing?
May 28 02:07:19 <GAN900> Sleeping
May 28 02:07:23 <cehteh> hacking on my old idea about a distributed filesystem
May 28 02:08:42 <n00bn900> hey there, anyone here capable of running skype video calls on PR 1.3 ? I can do everything with skype except for video calls..not showing up. was wondering what the culprit for that is
May 28 02:08:48 <SpeedEvil> cehteh: Ah.
May 28 02:09:13 <SpeedEvil> cehteh: I'm doing something fairly pointless - I am refactoring my script that sorts my local supermarket by price/Kg
May 28 02:09:14 <cehteh> n00bn900: what connection 3G, wlan, gsm?
May 28 02:09:25 <n00bn900> cehteh: wifi
May 28 02:09:33 <n00bn900> yeah wlan
May 28 02:09:58 <n00bn900> i don't see any option for video calls..checked with faps to see if i was missing a video call package or something but none there either
May 28 02:10:01 <cehteh> sometimes works unreliable, but i had it working once
May 28 02:10:04 <n00bn900> i thought i've seen people do video calls
May 28 02:10:22 <n00bn900> do i have to do anything? or is that because recipient may not be using up to date version of skype?
May 28 02:10:35 <n00bn900> like i can set up skype IM and Skype Call but no video call
May 28 02:10:37 <cehteh> could be
May 28 02:10:39 <n00bn900> hm
May 28 02:10:55 <cehteh> video-call me :P
May 28 02:11:44 <n00bn900> lol
May 28 02:12:00 <cehteh> (haha planning to cancel my skype account sometime soon .. i can now give anyone my ID ... soon to be dead :P
May 28 02:17:05 <acidjazz> is it possible to do a hard reset of the OS on an n900 ?
May 28 02:17:29 <cehteh> OS? Device?
May 28 02:17:56 <cehteh> you mean rebooting or back to factory state?
May 28 02:18:10 <n00bn900> cehteh: thanks for the invite to do video call. I think I know..the other person has to have webcam and video enabled on their account and using one of the latest skype versions.
May 28 02:18:32 <n00bn900> and i know she's using an old version and perhaps doesn't even have webcam...so i'll see what i need to do to get her on video call. Thanks again though hehe
May 28 02:18:50 <cehteh> haha 'she' :P ...
May 28 02:19:19 <n00bn900> it's my wife on international travel :)
May 28 02:19:46 <cehteh> ah ok (yes yes we all believe you)
May 28 02:20:00 <n00bn900> :)
May 28 02:21:10 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: which bugs?
May 28 02:22:15 <cehteh> the # numbers you gave what was that?
May 28 02:22:23 <DocScrutinizer> line#
May 28 02:22:51 <cehteh> ah .. i didt looked at the script .. just fixed the /tmp and go
May 28 02:23:10 <DocScrutinizer> you as well might try -h ;-P
May 28 02:23:17 <cehteh> i did
May 28 02:23:29 <cehteh> (looking for a --tmp or similar option)
May 28 02:23:31 <DocScrutinizer> so you noticed -c, no?
May 28 02:23:52 <cehteh> that was no problem
May 28 02:23:59 <DocScrutinizer> I know
May 28 02:24:05 <cehteh> i have a proxy .. so refetching is no problem
May 28 02:24:10 <DocScrutinizer> probably even useless when you changed /tmp
May 28 02:24:11 <cehteh> the tmpdir was the problem ..
May 28 02:24:26 <cehteh> why shall i fix a no-problem .. have better things to do
May 28 02:24:42 <DocScrutinizer> lol, maybe for mere speed?
May 28 02:25:17 <acidjazz> cehteh: yes .. n900 maemo
May 28 02:25:27 <cehteh> nah .. i just thought "would be nice to install the sdk on my desktop" .. thats running in a screen session and if i dont forget it i may complete that next fays
May 28 02:25:29 <cehteh> days
May 28 02:25:51 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
May 28 02:26:02 <cehteh> acidjazz: there are some/different ways to reset most (but not all) user data ..
May 28 02:26:09 <cehteh> but the easiest is just to reflash the device
May 28 02:26:17 <DocScrutinizer> duh, I might isntall that moster on my centOS box
May 28 02:26:29 <acidjazz> cehteh: and i need to do that w/ a computer?
May 28 02:26:44 <cehteh> yes and usb cable
May 28 02:27:06 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: the easiest is "reset to factory defaults" in settings menu :-)
May 28 02:27:15 <cehteh> what do you want to archive? ..cleaning the device before selling it?
May 28 02:27:28 <cehteh> DocScrutinizer: that doesnt wipe all and everything
May 28 02:27:52 <DocScrutinizer> I never said it would
May 28 02:28:12 <cehteh> well i dont know what acidjazz exactly wants
May 28 02:28:23 <acidjazz> i dusted off my n900
May 28 02:28:28 <acidjazz> i need to use it when i travel southeast asia
May 28 02:28:39 <acidjazz> and last i had it i put all this crap on it it doesnt even have enough room to update maemo
May 28 02:28:48 <DocScrutinizer> that's clearly a reflash then
May 28 02:29:07 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
May 28 02:29:08 <infobot> i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 28 02:29:11 <cehteh> at least reflashing is the easiest way
May 28 02:29:29 <acidjazz> are most ppl usually using meego w/ their n900 now?
May 28 02:29:29 <cehteh> clean up all manually is a bit pita
May 28 02:29:35 <cehteh> nope
May 28 02:29:35 <DocScrutinizer> nah
May 28 02:30:04 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: also useless, as it seems PR1.1 or sth
May 28 02:30:06 <cehteh> is there a meego scratchbox install?
May 28 02:30:27 <acidjazz> and is the n900 the top maemo device still?
May 28 02:30:31 * cehteh completely ignores meego so far
May 28 02:30:38 <DocScrutinizer> top and only
May 28 02:31:00 <DocScrutinizer> well, for maemo5 at least
May 28 02:31:02 <cehteh> only? .. only maemo5
May 28 02:31:04 <cehteh> :)
May 28 02:31:10 <acidjazz> is there 6 now?
May 28 02:31:13 <DocScrutinizer> no
May 28 02:31:35 <DocScrutinizer> there's been 4 though
May 28 02:31:37 <acidjazz> ah
May 28 02:31:47 <cehteh> acidjazz: at what state is your device? how long was it out of service?
May 28 02:32:02 <cehteh> well just reflash thats the easiest
May 28 02:32:04 <acidjazz> year or so
May 28 02:32:15 <acidjazz> yea i have a mac now though is there even software i can use to reflash it?
May 28 02:32:20 <acidjazz> im trying to uninstall apps and do a maemo update..
May 28 02:32:43 <cehteh> is there a flasher for macos?
May 28 02:32:51 <cehteh> prolly yes .. but i dont know
May 28 02:33:00 <cehteh> see the link DocScrutinizer gave above
May 28 02:33:12 <DocScrutinizer> not afaik
May 28 02:33:21 <cehteh> http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Mac_OS_X
May 28 02:33:30 <DocScrutinizer> could your mac boot a linux?
May 28 02:33:38 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
May 28 02:33:56 <cehteh> haha
May 28 02:33:59 <acidjazz> ah http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php
May 28 02:34:07 <acidjazz> which one?
May 28 02:34:50 <psycho_oreos> depends on what you want, obviously
May 28 02:35:29 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: sounds a lil tad obsolete though
May 28 02:35:43 <DocScrutinizer> 770flasher c'mon
May 28 02:36:06 <cehteh> macos X .. c'mon :)
May 28 02:36:06 <acidjazz> maemo desktop?
May 28 02:36:07 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it's been so good they didn't have to update it
May 28 02:36:40 <cehteh> hehe can you flash between 2 devices one in hostmode? ..
May 28 02:37:12 * DocScrutinizer suddenly starts to wonder about all the *-mbp nicks here, and what they did to flash
May 28 02:37:28 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: I think MohammadAG did it
May 28 02:37:45 <acidjazz> ohwell im over it
May 28 02:37:48 <acidjazz> &
May 28 02:38:39 <DocScrutinizer> whatever that means ... :-)
May 28 02:42:34 <DocScrutinizer> acidjazz: wouldn't that depend on what's your mac precisely? (<acidjazz> which one?)
May 28 02:43:22 <DocScrutinizer> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.dmg looks nice
May 28 02:44:08 <DocScrutinizer> unless you got a ppc
May 28 02:44:44 <GAN900> Seems like when you set the mouse pointer to be black it should be black
May 28 02:44:54 <GAN900> and not switch randomly back and forth between black and default.
May 28 02:45:22 <DocScrutinizer> acidjazz: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Readme_Maemo_Flasher-3.5.txt also might help
May 28 02:48:14 <cehteh> n8
May 28 02:54:05 <DocScrutinizer> maemo-flasher.tgz for linux: 48kB  - - maemo-flasher.exe for windows: 3.6MB  -- LOL
May 28 02:56:37 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: probably you got a race
May 28 02:57:38 <DocScrutinizer> some other process thinks mouse should be default - sigstop may help
May 28 02:58:14 <DocScrutinizer> not though if it's a driver
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