**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 30 02:59:59 2011 May 30 03:00:19 best thing of some Nokia departments must have been their drug dealer ;-P May 30 03:05:15 I was hoping for a clear cut to clean this up on PR1.2, then again on PR1.3 - now it's clear they love it the way it is, and this is one of the batshit crazy things of maemo that never is going to change again for the better May 30 03:06:01 unless we roll it up again in CSSU May 30 03:08:26 IroN900:~# ls -l /usr/bin|wc -l May 30 03:08:28 748 May 30 03:08:29 IroN900:~# ls -l /usr/bin|grep lrwx|wc -l May 30 03:08:31 358 May 30 03:09:51 = ~390 pkg NOT optified in /usr/bin May 30 03:09:55 WHY? May 30 03:10:40 meh May 30 03:10:51 useless effort May 30 03:13:02 just a last word, in case there's been something not as utterly clear as it should've been: this rationale applies to ALL /usr/* May 30 03:13:49 I.E. /usr has to be a mountpoint, nothing else May 30 03:23:52 usr = Unix Sharable Resources May 30 03:24:34 sharable implies it might not be available on local machine all the time, as it's shared from elsewhere May 30 03:25:04 holy May 30 03:25:11 so even the name *implies* it's a mountpoint May 30 03:25:16 I've been using Unix since like 1979 and I never knew usr meant that May 30 03:26:03 you got a better definition of what this TLA means? May 30 03:27:55 http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEUSRHIERARCHY May 30 03:28:49 not even there it says usr means that May 30 03:29:05 no, it just says "shareable" May 30 03:29:11 yup May 30 03:29:24 it's actually not easy to spot exactly where it came from May 30 03:30:01 might also be "unix/shareable/readonly" or whatever May 30 03:30:14 so May 30 03:30:22 I've heard the Unix-Shareable-resources explanation though May 30 03:30:23 would you buy an N9 if it comes with MeeGo? May 30 03:30:36 and those 64 GB and dual 1GHz processor? May 30 03:30:42 'MeeGo' is a hard definition. May 30 03:30:46 prolly not May 30 03:30:51 hmm May 30 03:31:07 It seems likely that what it will come with is nokias fork of meego, as it forked 12 months ago or so. May 30 03:31:18 a) meego handset-UX is premature May 30 03:31:23 With some maemo bits jammed in. May 30 03:31:34 b) this device for sure comes with a capacitive touchscreen May 30 03:31:50 and you want a resistive screen? May 30 03:32:06 every single day, yes May 30 03:32:17 N900 is resistive? May 30 03:32:20 yes May 30 03:32:26 but not multitouch May 30 03:32:28 :( May 30 03:32:31 bah May 30 03:32:49 I'd like to be able to touch _one_ spot accurately, before I worry about more than one. May 30 03:33:13 I just care it supports multitouch May 30 03:33:15 a) mt is worthless without proper integration into OS , and b) resistive can do mt as well May 30 03:33:16 like the N8 May 30 03:33:21 N8 is capacitive? May 30 03:33:26 because that's the screen I like May 30 03:33:45 I have a friend that has an N8 and the screen is really gorgeous and responsive, and it's multitouch May 30 03:34:41 but the bad news would be what SpeedEvil said that the Meego it has is a weird Nokia's fork of it May 30 03:35:06 yeah N8 is capacitive just checked. May 30 03:35:13 my laptop is not multitouch, so given the paradigm my smartphone should be as much like a normal PC as possible, I'd probably not even *want* mt May 30 03:36:12 N900 is heavy and bulky. If N9 comes around the thickness and lightness of an N8, I'd think about buying one May 30 03:36:14 It sounds like - from what I've heard - that the N9 or whatever it's called - has been around at least in prototype form for 9 months or so. May 30 03:36:40 I want a screen though that I can operate with toothpicks, styli, fingernail, biker gloves May 30 03:36:45 oh May 30 03:37:01 you need a finger for capacitive, like (btw) the touchpad of your laptop! May 30 03:37:10 I'm not sure about the state of the software. May 30 03:37:20 * SpeedEvil uses trackpoints exclusvely. May 30 03:38:08 SpeedEvil: you'd be happy with the Samsung Omnia - it has an inverted otical mouse May 30 03:38:33 quite nifty May 30 03:41:07 kinda feels like a apple-mouse micro-trackball May 30 03:41:20 just solid-state May 30 03:42:43 I meant to look at implementing that ages ago on a hp uipad thingy May 30 03:42:47 ipaq May 30 03:42:51 with finger-reader May 30 03:44:21 I just can't get used to it, for a pointer device May 30 03:44:38 it's somewhat anti-natural May 30 03:45:07 same with trackpoints May 30 03:45:44 actually trackpoints are even worse, like F' May 30 03:46:12 I tend to use my keyboard under the blankets, so using a trackpoint is great. May 30 03:47:15 next step to drive me mad: make the cursor ballistic, so you can accelerate it and them have to decelerate aka "break" it May 30 03:47:40 that's F'' then May 30 03:51:52 I want to *move* my hand to move the cursor. I don't like spinning wheels or rolling balls or remote controlling this spinning of wheels (trackpoint), to move the cursor where it belongs. Basically the less chance you have to operate the cursor 'blindly' (without constant feedback from screen) the less ergonomic the HID May 30 03:52:16 sleep now. Night! May 30 03:52:23 night SpeedEvil May 30 03:54:24 nice test: try drawing a circle with a trackball or a trackpoint. Try even writing May 30 03:56:10 now try it with your eyes closed ;-D May 30 03:56:41 do same with a mouse, a touchscreen, a digitizer tablet May 30 03:57:21 you'll get my point May 30 04:06:29 Sc0rpius: (multitouch) see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc May 30 04:09:54 THAT is a really good touchscreen May 30 04:10:07 *multi*touch May 30 04:10:12 sensitive May 30 04:10:22 and *precise* May 30 04:11:07 works with all touching objects, not just fingers and wiener sausages, like capacitive ;-) May 30 04:46:13 DocScrutinizer: I was beginning to think I was the only person not drooling and getting excited by all the capacitive screen devices :P May 30 04:47:41 indeed you can start to feel somewhat depressed when listening to the general public. Here's a realm of r-ts fans though May 30 05:08:06 hmm... new cssu says it will "upgrade" qt from 4.7.2 to 4.7.0. how's that? May 30 05:08:22 libqt4-dbus (4.7.2~git20110302-0maemo2+cssu2 => 4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0cssu1) May 30 05:29:58 qt4.7.2 is borked - we downgrade to 4.7.0 with patches backported May 30 05:30:46 slonopotamus: ^^^ May 30 05:31:39 okay, but why it says it is an upgrade then? and didn't you say one cannot do downgrades with apt? May 30 05:31:56 don't ask *me* May 30 05:32:14 I'm a noob to all packaging and apt things May 30 05:32:56 actually I myself am musing how this works May 30 05:33:48 but that's what MohammadAG told me some 6h ago May 30 05:37:55 that all sounds like a dark voodoo :) May 30 05:51:49 good morning! May 30 06:15:16 Venemo: moo May 30 06:15:51 MohammadAG: wake up voodoomaster! :-D May 30 06:16:25 moo DocScrutinizer May 30 06:16:49 hmm fun... May 30 06:17:03 ruskie: ? May 30 06:17:15 I couldn't get a GPS lock at home no matter what I tried with either the N95 or the N900 May 30 06:17:19 and that was on the balcony May 30 06:17:43 ruskie: US airstrike pending, no doubt May 30 06:17:44 now that I'm @work inside the office... I got a lock like instantly May 30 06:18:30 I wonder if the bazillion wifi APs in the building have anything to do with it May 30 06:18:53 wifi shouldn't - wrong freq May 30 06:19:40 will have to test once I get home again to see if things work May 30 06:20:16 your home BTS might be messed up May 30 06:21:09 BTS? May 30 06:22:49 I guess when rrlp can speed up GPS fixes, then it for sure can mess up GPS as well May 30 06:22:55 ~rrlp May 30 06:22:55 rumour has it, rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP May 30 06:23:27 well the N95 is sim-less so I was thinking it might be that May 30 06:23:39 :nod: May 30 06:23:47 but adding a working sim... no diff May 30 06:23:57 it's questionable if rrlp works without SIM May 30 06:24:23 well it should since it's supposed to be abused for emergency calls May 30 06:24:30 and a sim-less phone should be able to make those May 30 06:24:32 maybe it's also questionable if it does *with* SIM ;-P May 30 06:25:14 ruskie: indeed, but seems this isn't actually the case at least for N900 May 30 06:25:25 ow? May 30 06:26:12 I thought it was part of the GSMA spec? May 30 06:26:14 I found *significant* reproducible differneces between a N900 with non-registered SIM, and a reference model without any SIM May 30 06:26:58 and the issue moved together with the SIM, from DUT A to DUT B May 30 06:27:19 well, actuall in the opposite direction :-) May 30 06:27:50 both devices sitting at same place, same moment started GPS May 30 06:29:01 I think a device without SIM doesn't usually communcate at all with any BTS, unless you do a 911 call May 30 06:29:19 no idea how the unregistered SIM comes in May 30 06:29:45 and LLRP is an active protocol May 30 06:29:55 well I'll see again today... May 30 06:30:02 means your device has to transmit May 30 06:30:19 RRLP May 30 06:30:23 and will even try taking the n95 to a diff part of the building just to see if maybe that might be a remote posibility May 30 06:30:38 and I know I can get a GPS lock with any device where I was testing it last night May 30 06:31:01 I'd guess some random local interference spoiled your GPS May 30 06:31:12 possibly May 30 06:31:15 it was sunset time May 30 06:31:18 so that might be it May 30 06:31:24 lol May 30 06:31:38 don't think so May 30 06:31:54 it might have been a defect microwave or whatever May 30 06:32:34 though those also are usually wrong frequency - not if defect maybe May 30 06:32:48 I'm still wondering what kind of intereference 7 wifi APs could cause May 30 06:33:08 and even that probably aren't all that are in the area May 30 06:33:14 also a microwave on wrong freq will as well leak like hell, as the lambda/2 seals won't work May 30 06:33:46 but wouldn't it need to be operational for that to actually occur? May 30 06:34:03 wifi, like BT, and usual microwaves, have the wrong frequency for interference with GPS May 30 06:34:25 note: anything with holes larger than lambda/10 will start to leak substantially May 30 06:34:40 not lambda/2 seals :-) May 30 06:35:16 look at an arbitrary modern microwave - does that lok like a SEAL? May 30 06:35:20 look* May 30 06:35:55 it's just they have exactly the right dimensions so the standing wave that builds up seals the thing May 30 06:36:07 the door frame that is May 30 06:37:33 while a microwave usually seals well @ 2.4(?)GHz, it evidently didn't really stop my cellphone from working inside the closed MW-oven @ 1.8GHz May 30 06:46:08 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikrowellenofen >>Die Wellenlänge darf nicht geändert werden können, weil sonst die Resonanzdichtung des Türspaltes unwirksam wird.<< May 30 06:46:43 sorry, the english wikipedia article is quite a bit different and not as good as the german one May 30 06:47:43 lol I was about to say `ja das ist gut, aber ich kanst nicht sprech sie Deutsch' May 30 06:47:47 :D May 30 06:47:56 it says: "the frequency must not change, otherwise the resonance seal of the gap between door and housing will fail to work correctly" May 30 06:51:04 DocScrutinizer: that's why EM cells for testing have completely different seals :) May 30 06:52:32 yeah, the microwave ovens of stone age also had 'real' seals, and I guess that's quite a part of why they were so expensive May 30 06:56:59 ruskie: nevertheless I don't see how a MW-oven rsp the magnetron in there could change its frequency May 30 06:57:28 well something happened that caused issues... will see if it happens again today May 30 06:57:28 if it did, for some weird reason, odds are the user won't realize a difference May 30 06:57:55 of course I'm not discounting that someone is running some jammer around as well May 30 06:58:28 easily possible. They used to do that in Iraq all the time May 30 06:59:17 well around here I would assume it's some hobbyist May 30 07:00:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_analysis_for_the_Global_Positioning_System#Artificial_sources_of_interference May 30 07:08:48 mmpf, phrack.org dead May 30 07:17:15 DocScrutinizer: you read phrack? May 30 07:17:28 occasionally May 30 07:17:57 were you hacking into stuff in the 80s too? May 30 07:18:03 yep May 30 07:18:44 so no, I'm really no kid ;-D May 30 07:18:46 check out osuny May 30 07:19:10 it is ressurected May 30 07:19:14 at laest judging by my ID card May 30 07:21:11 i never asked your age May 30 07:21:12 i guessed ~40 by context May 30 07:21:12 and laughed at you called a kid May 30 07:21:13 it was funny May 30 07:22:06 i suppose you could have been a child genius and likely were May 30 07:22:09 but if a child genius had been behind openmoko i would have heard about it May 30 07:22:51 Phrack, huh? May 30 07:22:58 Wonder if 2600 still works somewhere. May 30 07:23:21 I still remember how I cursed the day I found out my country had switched to ccitt-7... May 30 07:23:50 I still can't believe I marched in, as a kid, May 30 07:24:01 dangergrrl: http://www.osuny.com/ May 30 07:24:04 ? May 30 07:24:23 into the local telecom, asking people about frequencies. They bought it when I told it was about school homework. May 30 07:24:53 Vanity's still a decent exploit. Guess it'll be till kingdom come. May 30 07:25:48 maybe in indonesia May 30 07:25:48 or nigeria May 30 07:25:48 land of scamsters May 30 07:25:54 that web site seems true May 30 07:26:04 exploits are fun May 30 07:26:15 and generally help the exploited May 30 07:26:21 if they are not morons May 30 07:27:25 Yeah, back in the day, 2600'd work in a few african countries. May 30 07:27:33 back then i exploited the heck out of primos May 30 07:27:43 pr1mo? May 30 07:27:54 Sorry, not that savvy. May 30 07:28:02 I was mostly a kid back then. May 30 07:28:18 i used it to play with NASA May 30 07:28:44 Tell me more, though don't cover all the bases. May 30 07:28:45 I May 30 07:28:59 Some researching is good. May 30 07:29:34 it was the only phone exchange in houston you could blow off May 30 07:29:52 but you could only pulse dial it May 30 07:29:53 713 44 May 30 07:29:53 itÅ› a NT switch now i think May 30 07:30:00 http://www.2600.com/ May 30 07:30:11 ;-) May 30 07:30:41 I wouldn't know. I'm way out of the civilized world. May 30 07:30:52 i think +1 713c 440 4050 is NASA information May 30 07:30:59 a voice messagwe May 30 07:31:14 I think my country never actually had operators, btw. May 30 07:32:26 It just... Inherited the system. A few switches, god he knows where in the bloody countryside, May 30 07:32:35 where people still worship trees, you know, May 30 07:32:47 in the 80s May 30 07:33:03 likely still work with standard frequencies, but honestly, don't ask me where's that. May 30 07:33:11 there was still a plugboard in death valley ca May 30 07:33:42 LOL May 30 07:33:54 there was May 30 07:34:00 and itr was a big joke May 30 07:34:02 s May 30 07:34:11 genius6 May 30 07:34:13 to ask for directory assistance May 30 07:34:21 for death valley california May 30 07:34:38 i actually got it once May 30 07:34:48 there were like 14 lines May 30 07:34:52 all payphones May 30 07:34:58 isn't it the area of those errr mormons(?) who refuse to even have electricity May 30 07:34:58 no direct dial May 30 07:35:14 mormons like electricity May 30 07:35:21 and making money off sinners May 30 07:35:35 which i think means you and me May 30 07:35:39 amish? May 30 07:35:46 amish May 30 07:35:52 Last I heard they also like same-sex companionship, May 30 07:36:01 a bit too much for their own tastes, actually. May 30 07:36:30 the mormons excommunicated my exgirlfriend for being transsexual and cutting her balls off May 30 07:36:32 Weren't they building some sort of underground fallout shelter, or somethig? May 30 07:36:57 she did use a doctor May 30 07:37:16 but she was excommunicated for being trandgender May 30 07:37:36 she's better off that way May 30 07:37:44 i do not understand her May 30 07:37:54 she was still married to her wife as a man May 30 07:38:24 and got her balls chopped and was taking estrogen and the mormon wife sis not notice May 30 07:38:28 did May 30 07:38:39 lol May 30 07:38:50 true story May 30 07:39:02 Doesn't ring false, May 30 07:39:17 someone i personally knew May 30 07:39:21 you know, most couples, especially long time ones, don't really do the work, you see. May 30 07:39:21 now I know for sure getting excumunicated was the best thing to happen to her May 30 07:40:04 well the mormons are better than other xtians in some ways but they still refuse to see truth May 30 07:40:29 we are part of an information system May 30 07:41:41 if you want to call me that i am just a complicated program interacting on the global web to produce intelligence May 30 07:41:48 we are just generation 100 or less of a somewhat beginning to see the truth biological deviation May 30 07:42:06 what we call sentience now is a joke May 30 07:42:24 we are amazing May 30 07:42:42 Ok... May 30 07:42:45 we have thumbs May 30 07:42:56 Now I'm really not sure what you're talking about, May 30 07:42:57 i use that one on the dogs all the time May 30 07:43:04 though you really have me hooked. May 30 07:43:21 Please, further that. May 30 07:43:30 the dogs would like to go outside May 30 07:43:37 they have no thumbs May 30 07:43:49 need a human to turn the locks and knob May 30 07:43:53 I'm talking about religion and human awarenes/mind/spirit/consciousness at large May 30 07:44:05 i am too May 30 07:44:34 but is belief in the singularity religion? May 30 07:44:49 we got science that earns that name at all, since like 200 years May 30 07:45:12 a lot of our species hasn't even realized we're on that way May 30 07:45:26 do we need someone with thumbs to turn then next key? May 30 07:45:34 -n May 30 07:45:59 dogs are clearly intelligent to an extent May 30 07:46:09 they have motives May 30 07:46:22 * Arcueid_ 's following May 30 07:46:49 they pursue access to outside May 30 07:46:53 for a dog we're either dogs, or Gods May 30 07:46:58 and access to inside May 30 07:47:28 are not dogs and gods the same May 30 07:47:42 i doubt in german it makes sense May 30 07:47:44 for a dog probably yes May 30 07:47:46 :-D May 30 07:48:07 dangergrrl, ok, I'm following, but.. May 30 07:48:16 If we're dogs, than's who's god? May 30 07:48:22 the maddest guy i respect May 30 07:48:35 Sure, most people don't even get what's rationality, they're mostly emotional... May 30 07:48:40 says we come from sirius May 30 07:48:56 i actually believe in panspermia May 30 07:49:00 But who's gonna let us out of the dog pen? I didn't get that. May 30 07:49:06 only theory that makes sense May 30 07:49:13 we are May 30 07:49:31 I'm kinda fan of "there is no spoon" May 30 07:49:46 i know you know eris May 30 07:50:16 concept of religion is strange to me May 30 07:50:51 you have not read "Illuminatus"? May 30 07:51:30 it is a useful false abstraction May 30 07:51:49 they try to take our toys and make us zombies May 30 07:51:51 Ok... May 30 07:51:59 Let's go outside of the box. May 30 07:52:14 we fight back by increasing information May 30 07:52:19 We're all living in a world that only exists because, somewhere along the line, May 30 07:52:34 mr. Conan the Barbarian, the hyperborian, May 30 07:52:45 thought... May 30 07:52:45 now you are going to challenge my solipsism May 30 07:53:16 "Ok, so... Rather than kill every damn weakling my way, what if I make them work for me?" May 30 07:53:21 So, society was born. May 30 07:53:35 "dear Mr God, in the instruction manual we clearly advices users of our simulation >Universe< *not* to turn the afinity parameters of rhibonukleoid acids above the level of 45. You mustn't be surprised now when there are strange things happening in your simulation run..." May 30 07:54:03 but there are infinite universes May 30 07:54:23 there is one where you are the leader of the reich May 30 07:54:24 I don't quite challenge solipsism, I'm actually pretty sure we live in meat sacks. May 30 07:54:45 meat sacks are sucky May 30 07:55:07 The thing is... How do we, as a group, transcend current limitations? We're still a bunch of wild penned monkeys, in a sense. May 30 07:55:40 Can't argue with you there, but still, I'm all too dependant on my mine to complain about it. May 30 07:55:59 mine has a liver that could fail May 30 07:56:08 i love beer May 30 07:56:48 i with the help of obviously non engineers got my bike in maintenance mode May 30 07:57:19 used a floor jack and lack of mathematical knowledge May 30 07:57:51 sorry i had republicans to deal with May 30 07:58:23 i am expected to go away soon May 30 07:58:44 i need my n900 to be the linux pc i bought May 30 07:59:26 Got a keyboard and mouse? May 30 07:59:48 not for n900 May 30 07:59:52 It does fulfill that role, as long as you have some bluetooth human interface devices. May 30 08:00:20 i am trying to port miro May 30 08:00:32 i want democracy now May 30 08:00:38 and rt.com May 30 08:00:58 i am soviet May 30 08:01:43 You're russian? May 30 08:01:54 Or from somewhere up there? May 30 08:02:13 I'm not too linux savvy. I'm also afraid I missed a joke. =x May 30 08:02:59 an american societ May 30 08:03:09 it was a song in the 80s May 30 08:03:17 by a band named CCCP May 30 08:03:41 I want a unix cmd named like that ;-) May 30 08:04:02 good morning May 30 08:04:03 but we are the cccp May 30 08:04:41 how do i stop the fighting in bahrain? May 30 08:05:23 the suni deserve representation May 30 08:05:52 and iraq only wants to become dine May 30 08:06:10 You don't. May 30 08:06:18 (din a long) May 30 08:06:35 You gather like-minded people, May 30 08:06:49 and then, go around challenging consensus. May 30 08:06:59 i live with wrong minded people May 30 08:07:00 That's what you do. May 30 08:07:16 one of which i created May 30 08:07:28 I considered going to the middle east, you know, earning a few thousand bucks as a mercenary. May 30 08:07:48 i doubt they would hire me May 30 08:07:55 I chickened out, mostly because... Well, that place is a bloody warzone. lol. May 30 08:08:04 you know blackwater is native american owned May 30 08:08:14 Blackwater? May 30 08:08:26 burrp May 30 08:08:39 the biggest private army in the world May 30 08:08:56 Just read a bit on it. May 30 08:08:57 biggest club of morons May 30 08:09:00 Scary. May 30 08:09:09 DocScrutinizer: you know this May 30 08:09:15 help me May 30 08:09:25 i need some weed May 30 08:10:39 so how do we get devices to the inteligensia and also to the masses? May 30 08:11:08 Err... May 30 08:11:24 Somebody please tell me that I wasn't klined for swearing. May 30 08:11:30 is blackwater mormon? May 30 08:11:36 nope May 30 08:11:52 they let me say fuck May 30 08:11:59 sorry May 30 08:12:14 Let's cover some moral ground... May 30 08:12:32 where do you get your morals May 30 08:12:36 Honestly, would any of you have a problem with killing people? May 30 08:12:41 let us start there May 30 08:12:46 of course May 30 08:13:11 i could not kill george walker bush May 30 08:13:23 though he is a war criminal May 30 08:13:35 and guilty of crimes against humanity May 30 08:13:43 well, I had a problem with killing a bird when I was 16. Never tried how that works for me with humans May 30 08:13:44 he belongs in an ape house. May 30 08:13:50 i could not kill him May 30 08:13:57 jaska May 30 08:14:04 you win May 30 08:14:10 that is lulz May 30 08:14:25 i could put him in an ape house May 30 08:14:29 :D May 30 08:15:13 so how do i extract myself May 30 08:15:40 the n900 would have my world with 2gb of ram May 30 08:15:58 dual core 1.5 ghz a9 May 30 08:16:18 Wait for the n950. May 30 08:16:36 and a hmm.. miniature atomic battery?:) May 30 08:16:37 Whatever the fuck's Elop planning on. May 30 08:16:50 my sleepin like a baby days are over May 30 08:16:56 i must leave here May 30 08:17:13 Honestly, as soon as I can code something, I'll code some app called "Let's Elop". May 30 08:17:24 It'll be a heterossexual grindr-like app. May 30 08:17:29 you can not code? May 30 08:17:51 Humans? Been doing it since birth. May 30 08:17:58 Computers? Still too lazy to do it. May 30 08:18:24 my first language is C May 30 08:18:46 muttersprachen May 30 08:19:10 Well, your platform is way ahead of mine May 30 08:19:25 MIne's still has a lot of trouble compiling simple code. May 30 08:19:35 You can still whip it into shape though. May 30 08:19:43 Take that however you like. lol May 30 08:21:09 main(){char*msg="hello world¨; printf(msg) ;} May 30 08:21:31 Wanna learn "hello world" in human? May 30 08:21:49 i already know human May 30 08:22:09 Maybe, all of us know that... May 30 08:22:15 We just don't know that we know. May 30 08:22:23 unless you know where my mj went May 30 08:23:06 Sorry, I don't get the MJ. May 30 08:23:43 hemp? May 30 08:24:15 better than fermentation May 30 08:24:16 Oh, grass and whatnot. May 30 08:24:45 Nah, I don't know grass. May 30 08:24:55 Last time I tried making some sense out of it, May 30 08:25:01 i had a wonderfully rolled fag of it May 30 08:25:12 I smoked some and went to a bar. May 30 08:25:24 bad idea May 30 08:25:46 smaok and write code May 30 08:25:46 I still recall the distinct sensation of drinking beer, and... Listening to the beer echoing, as it hid my stomach. May 30 08:26:37 I don't recall listening to anything else as it hit that area, but well, strange things happen. May 30 08:26:37 it gives you coprocessors May 30 08:27:12 I'd say, computer-wise, it just messes the instructions... May 30 08:27:33 did you know frank zappa and george carlin are saved mormons? May 30 08:27:35 And given that humans have no error codes, well, you get what you get. lol. May 30 08:27:43 ZAPPA!? May 30 08:27:55 posthumous May 30 08:28:05 Godamnit. May 30 08:28:24 the mormos church says you can save nonbelievers May 30 08:28:34 That's profanation. May 30 08:28:45 it is funny May 30 08:28:59 like roflmao May 30 08:29:19 They better not save me :~ May 30 08:29:25 and they claim alexander the great May 30 08:29:36 in heaven willing or not May 30 08:30:21 well if they grabbed dr sagan it might not suck May 30 08:31:03 * dangergrrl contemplates heaven with dr sagan May 30 08:31:34 What's mormon heaven like? May 30 08:31:34 carl would tell them that it did not fit objective data May 30 08:31:45 i dunno May 30 08:32:02 Maybe it doesn't suck. May 30 08:32:04 maybe you get virgins and stuff like moslim heaven May 30 08:32:16 Heavy emphasis on the Maybe part. May 30 08:32:41 they think they get 13 virgins forever for killing infidel May 30 08:33:07 What's the big deal with virgins, anyway? May 30 08:33:16 how do they stay virgin if the guy gets to have his way with them? May 30 08:33:21 They perform in bed, like... May 30 08:33:22 Well... May 30 08:33:25 i dunno May 30 08:33:27 Virgins, anyway. May 30 08:33:43 i had one experience with one May 30 08:33:44 Maybe they're tight. May 30 08:33:52 but i was too May 30 08:34:09 What was your experience like? May 30 08:34:35 you don' t want to know May 30 08:34:52 Sounds nasty. May 30 08:35:06 it was ok May 30 08:35:32 ZZ Top "pearl necklace"was playing loud in the next room May 30 08:35:52 Have yoy heard the translation thing on the "virgin" stuff? May 30 08:35:58 i was in the closet floor May 30 08:36:18 Pearl necklace... May 30 08:36:22 Virgins... May 30 08:36:29 It does sound interesting. May 30 08:36:31 with a girl who chased me around astroworld for hours May 30 08:37:28 Was it nice? May 30 08:37:36 I've never had a same sex experience, so far. May 30 08:37:44 i was listening to a band called "rock goddess"that day May 30 08:37:51 Not in bed. I've had a few good times with boys. May 30 08:38:00 But not down there. May 30 08:38:08 it was dissasociative May 30 08:38:36 How so? May 30 08:39:05 i imagined how she might feel and went with that May 30 08:39:28 i had body parts i should not have May 30 08:40:04 You know what I'm gonna ask next. May 30 08:40:10 Just go ahead. lol. May 30 08:40:17 what i am trans May 30 08:40:23 duh May 30 08:40:35 mtf, or ftm? May 30 08:40:49 mtf and maybe ftm too May 30 08:41:04 genderqueer May 30 08:41:29 Well... While I'm all for that, psychologically, May 30 08:41:48 you know, bodies just don't quite work that way, usually. May 30 08:42:30 well a penis is convenient if you want to unf girls or be a top in general May 30 08:42:47 iḿ not a top May 30 08:43:26 Things are tough in the homefront, shall we say. May 30 08:43:50 I don't quite care what people want to do with their bodies. I really don't. May 30 08:43:57 anyhow what can you compile? May 30 08:44:02 I actually have a few female online identities May 30 08:44:25 Honestly? Computerwise, nothing. May 30 08:44:35 i have an almost oerfect female body May 30 08:45:00 excvept for a substantial thing in the middle May 30 08:45:24 I could spend all day talking to you about human psychology, but I'm not too much of a computer programmer. Not sure you ask about that, though. lol May 30 08:45:43 Well... Let's get down to it... May 30 08:45:50 what? May 30 08:46:09 I actually like the whole 4chan anonymous philosophy. May 30 08:46:17 i want to go out with the cute blonde chick who digs my bike May 30 08:46:29 she works at the gas station May 30 08:46:51 We should all be able to weave identities out of the thin air. May 30 08:47:14 Hmmm... And what's keeping you? May 30 08:47:39 There's the whole PUA thing going on... May 30 08:47:58 Maybe you could adapt that "rooting" method to you situation... May 30 08:48:00 uhm i would have to act really butch to ask her out May 30 08:48:33 Most people are as dumb as rock. May 30 08:48:38 i mean i wear leather and ride a big bike May 30 08:48:44 but i am very femme May 30 08:48:54 I'd let you do me, or honestly, I'd do you. May 30 08:49:07 I ride an old two stroke, btw. May 30 08:49:11 Rz 350. May 30 08:49:18 you don't lmow me May 30 08:49:22 know May 30 08:49:41 You're right, you just don't sound like a brick, though. May 30 08:50:08 I like non-brick people. May 30 08:50:11 i am severely brain damaged May 30 08:50:17 and tested to 142 May 30 08:50:52 Not sure what does that mean. May 30 08:51:01 not bad for losing head vs concrete May 30 08:51:23 it means 4 stddev above "normal" May 30 08:51:54 but i need safety May 30 08:52:01 and i need girl power May 30 08:52:35 i ride a 6 cylinder gold wing 1520 May 30 08:52:53 Society relies on deviants to make it grow. May 30 08:53:34 Everywhere else, it relies on open market to work. But mostly, deviants are really the ones pushing it forward. May 30 08:53:42 iam not a deviant just a rather vanilla girl who likes bikes and leather and code May 30 08:53:44 How fast can you goldwing go? May 30 08:53:54 only like 130 or so May 30 08:54:14 0-60 it is fun May 30 08:54:45 Well, I like fast bikes which make blue smoke and require a shitton of maintenance, but still give me a hell of a ride. May 30 08:55:04 i want to see the world May 30 08:55:18 Why don't you? May 30 08:55:27 because it costs money? May 30 08:55:40 Nuff said, can't argue with you there. May 30 08:56:41 Still, honestly, I guess that if you're born in the US or in Europe, you've got a free pass to the rest of the world... May 30 08:57:26 really? May 30 08:57:57 not true May 30 08:58:18 my income is way more than nigerians May 30 08:58:39 but less than retired europeans May 30 08:59:01 hmm May 30 08:59:05 last night May 30 08:59:06 depends on the EU country May 30 08:59:09 i dreampt May 30 08:59:17 somebody loved me May 30 08:59:23 around here one doesn't really get all that money May 30 08:59:45 i doubt i could live reasonably in eu for 1400 us/mo May 30 09:00:04 homeowning or renting? May 30 09:00:14 i would rather live in stalingrad anyhow May 30 09:00:30 sy petersburg May 30 09:00:38 or whatever it is called now May 30 09:00:48 that's 980 eur/month... my net sallary is 1100 eur/month but I'm lucky that I'm a homeowner not a renter May 30 09:01:09 how could i own a home in eur for that? May 30 09:01:22 you inherit it from parents/grandparents/etc... May 30 09:01:57 my ancestors murdered native americans instead of leaving me a legacy May 30 09:02:57 anyways lunch... May 30 09:03:11 Lunch sounds funny. May 30 09:03:17 It's late late night in here. May 30 09:03:31 Oh well. It's a big world. May 30 09:03:49 i expect the germans to put me in my place soon May 30 09:04:08 Btw... May 30 09:04:18 whut? May 30 09:04:29 While my ancestors didn't get the change to murder native americans, May 30 09:04:53 they sure had their way in... Domesticating african people, shall we say. May 30 09:05:05 I'm of english/spanish brazilian coast ancestry. May 30 09:05:09 well, they failed to be honest May 30 09:05:14 we are all guilty of crimes of ancestry May 30 09:05:21 In other worlds... Slavers. May 30 09:05:25 african people spread around the world May 30 09:05:40 and now keep living on benefits May 30 09:06:03 Somewhat. Btw, hi there jacekowski. I think I know you from talk, and I like your contributions there. May 30 09:06:06 and aryan people are often arrogant May 30 09:06:54 In brazil we don't have a race card... There's stirring for a sex card, from gay people, May 30 09:06:59 if it had not been for kepler May 30 09:07:29 descartes was a weenie it turns out May 30 09:07:47 says you can not understand culculus without god May 30 09:07:51 but mostly, gentlemen of color, shall we say, were mostly incorporated into society as second class citizens. May 30 09:07:55 cal May 30 09:08:20 in brazil i would make good money in film May 30 09:08:24 i would be a slave May 30 09:08:36 but they would keep me drugged May 30 09:09:28 where are you now? May 30 09:09:46 Not quite, I'm afraid. May 30 09:09:59 In soviet brazil, govermnent owns you. May 30 09:10:46 I'm sure the president's computer runs a pirated windows copy, but digital freedom is as far as we'll go. May 30 09:13:47 Well.. May 30 09:13:57 Time for me to hit the sheats. May 30 09:14:21 Thanks for the good conversation, all, and hope to see you soon. May 30 09:14:32 Stay free. May 30 09:15:05 nn May 30 09:15:28 me May 30 09:15:36 in texas May 30 09:16:21 a captive of myself May 30 09:34:31 re May 30 09:34:50 who likes capa MT? May 30 09:42:00 Lol topic May 30 09:42:39 Don't fix problems - just put your head to safeplace May 30 09:42:49 So May 30 09:43:54 Is there any alternative for users? May 30 10:44:13 ? May 30 10:44:36 e-yes loves to talk in riddles May 30 10:48:18 DBus driving me nuts May 30 10:48:42 I need to connect method call sender=:1.32 -> dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr serial=444 path=/com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr; interface=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr; member=LaunchApplication May 30 10:48:43 string "sociality" May 30 11:07:41 loltopic May 30 11:09:12 most pointless thread ever http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73590 May 30 11:09:54 has anyone made the ' my phone is on its face, reject all calls ' program? May 30 11:10:12 He kinda reminds me of Portal 2's wheatley in chapter 4 May 30 11:10:24 ham5, nope, not that I know of May 30 11:10:50 dont even rember those bots names in that game letalone what chapter was what May 30 11:11:21 you can't forget wheatley if you played through portal 2... May 30 11:11:43 im telling ya May 30 11:17:29 wheatley is burned into my head May 30 11:17:30 :D May 30 11:22:13 merlin1991: spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace May 30 11:22:40 this is the part ... WHERE I KILL YOU May 30 11:23:22 pluged him right in at the begging, but at the end you needed 3 cores ;\ May 30 11:23:35 ham5: glados was already corrupted May 30 11:23:44 she had been dead for quite a while after all May 30 11:23:54 riiiight May 30 11:25:05 "Corrupted core, are you ready to start the procedure?" "What do you think?" "Interpreting vague answer as yes" "No no no no no no no no" "Stalemate detected" May 30 11:37:59 anyone know if fcamera is at all maintained? May 30 11:38:19 cant check when the last update was? May 30 11:39:15 september '10, but maybe they haven't had any bug reports since then? :) May 30 11:39:52 yea or hes not developing May 30 11:44:46 MohammadAG: those nitdroid people are puppets aren't they? May 30 11:44:56 ehrm droids... May 30 11:54:53 those are not the droids you are looking for May 30 12:36:40 whats the best way to get an audio line-in on the n900? bluetooth soundcard? May 30 12:37:05 If you need stereo, it's the ony way May 30 12:37:21 Well - USB audio and host-mode too. May 30 12:37:21 what about mono? May 30 12:37:37 In principle, you can do mono in through a headset-like thing. May 30 12:37:49 true May 30 12:37:52 using the mic channel May 30 12:37:54 However, I don't know of any cabling to do this. May 30 12:38:18 I suspect that the composite in cable can do this - but you would need to setup the hardware in unexpected-to-the-software ways. May 30 12:38:32 And it may expect quite a low audio level. May 30 12:38:39 i guess ya could also streem it to the n900 over wifi May 30 12:39:37 how is the n900's bluetooth system, does it support most bluetooth devices a normal linux box does? May 30 12:42:17 Not played with bluetooth much. May 30 12:42:44 thanks anyway May 30 12:48:28 Psi: it's standard bluez stack May 30 12:48:40 cool May 30 12:48:55 Psi: with some features disabled May 30 12:53:23 QML question: how do you change the title of the window from the package name? May 30 12:54:37 regarding bluetooth and my N900, I can not use it with my BT ear pice. The sound is terrible, sometimes static, sometimes robot voice, and sometimes a little of both. Same earpiece works crystal clear with other phones though. :( May 30 12:55:05 I had a similar issue with one bluetooth. well, not that bad. I guess there are some subtle compatibility issues. May 30 12:55:17 Ah, viewer.setWindowTitle("Attitude"); May 30 12:58:03 well, bluez isn't the best bluetooth stack around May 30 12:58:11 but it's only linux stack May 30 13:02:11 the only foss one that is. at least ericsson used to have a stack for their chips. May 30 13:02:52 (but I know that it was discontinued, so bluez might just as well be the only one left :)) May 30 13:18:59 X-Fade: ping May 30 13:22:11 X-Fade: I know you're here, so whatabout my cloak? May 30 13:23:39 merlin1991: lol May 30 13:23:53 "I know you read me!" May 30 13:24:09 chem|st: yea :P May 30 13:24:42 merlin1991: what about your cloak?! what about my access list entry... May 30 13:25:00 a cloak would be nice to May 30 13:25:12 actualy I do not care much for both May 30 13:25:31 chem|st: cloak is approved, all it needs is him to poke some freenode staff afaik May 30 13:25:59 and I keep waiting for that :P May 30 13:26:22 what is cloak good for? May 30 13:27:03 show that you belong to some group / company / whateveritsaysinyourcloak and cloaks your ip May 30 13:27:07 edheldil: your reverse-dns entry or IP get cloaked with some status in a group May 30 13:27:22 hi May 30 13:27:39 edheldil: like 15:09 -!- Thierry_ (New Now Know How) [~chatzilla@nat/trolltech/x-rdaldwtqqxvhllaz] has joined #maemo15:09 -!- Thierry_ (New Now Know How) [~chatzilla@nat/trolltech/x-rdaldwtqqxvhllaz] has joined #maemo May 30 13:27:51 ty. I thought there's more to it :) May 30 13:27:57 edheldil: nope May 30 13:27:57 anybody knows a good dictionary for english chinese - with pinyin and chinese symbols? May 30 13:27:57 if your web presense is very strong, and you come from a static ip, don't trust the IP hiding, it's not doing you any good if someone hates you :) May 30 13:28:08 and I do not realized they show in login/parting messages May 30 13:28:23 s/do/have/ May 30 13:28:23 edheldil meant: and I have not realized they show in login/parting messages May 30 13:28:24 http://www.androidpit.de/de/android/market/apps/app/com.embermitre.hanping.app/Hanping-Chinese-Dictionary <= i think that describes it very good May 30 13:28:32 Lynoure: dcc request... May 30 13:29:10 PBeck: wrong channel for droid questions May 30 13:29:32 chem|st: is just one possible way. May 30 13:29:54 chem|st: or do you mean cloaked people can still be dcced somehow? May 30 13:30:06 chem|st: you have to read the complete question. I want only to show what i mean. I searching of course for maemo May 30 13:30:39 Lynoure: the latter May 30 13:30:40 chem|st: but i think maemo is here not the right os ;) Symbian has here more potential ;) May 30 13:30:48 PBeck, maybe MStarDict? Don't know if there's files around May 30 13:31:08 PBeck: what andre__ said... May 30 13:31:52 andre__: i have not found any usefull dict file. Perhaps i am to stupid for searching. All link in the maemo forum goes into a 404 ;) May 30 13:32:09 PBeck, http://stardict.sourceforge.net/Dictionaries.php ? May 30 13:32:14 first hit on google. May 30 13:32:30 andre__: yes of course, but now pinyin to english May 30 13:32:42 i cant read the chinese characters ;) May 30 13:32:50 PBeck, Pinyin is not a language, is it? May 30 13:33:09 I guess you want to look for a language instead of a script. May 30 13:33:39 plus there are clickable links on that website I just posted. May 30 13:33:52 andre__: pinyin is chinese in latin characters May 30 13:34:04 urgh May 30 13:34:29 ? May 30 13:38:48 PBeck: are you looking for chinese english or what? May 30 13:42:09 PBeck: you are looking for a character map not a dictonary May 30 13:53:13 chem|st: both - englisch - pinyin with chinese characters - for showing May 30 13:53:35 no idea May 30 13:53:53 you can make your own... May 30 13:54:39 chem|st: hanping has a collegue and its very useful ;) In china you can forget english ;) May 30 13:54:54 chem|st: yeah of course ;) May 30 14:12:33 Hello : May 30 14:12:34 ! May 30 14:14:50 hello May 30 15:03:47 so apparently the N95 is completly useless in offline mode... May 30 15:04:31 are you surprised May 30 15:04:36 not really May 30 15:05:08 well I guess I'll keep it as an alarm clock... that's the only real use it's meant for I guess... May 30 15:07:36 and sadly the bluetooth gps magic doesn't seem to work as well May 30 15:08:33 atleast the n900 to n95 bt May 30 15:08:48 maybe if I spend some cash on an actualy bt gps it might actually be usable May 30 15:11:36 n900 has bugs accessing certain bluetooth gps receivers May 30 15:12:03 it drops speed and heading data, making ovi maps always point north and update slowly May 30 15:12:12 well it's not for the n900 May 30 15:12:19 it's for the n95 May 30 15:12:53 hmm used nokia LD-3W for 30 eur May 30 15:13:09 doesnt it have its own gps? May 30 15:13:20 which doesn't work in offline mode May 30 15:13:24 apparently May 30 15:13:26 lol May 30 15:13:32 the n900 will get a fix like in a couple of seconds May 30 15:13:40 the n95 won't even after a long time May 30 15:13:46 if it has been recently online May 30 15:13:52 or recently had a gps fix May 30 15:17:45 well put my sim in... now waiting to see if it'll get any lock... May 30 15:17:57 and enabled agps and network May 30 15:22:49 do we have a c64 emulator for n900? May 30 15:23:03 or do I have to port one May 30 15:24:26 http://maemo.org/packages/search/ - reveals null result for commodore, and c64 May 30 15:24:43 dRbiG: vice May 30 15:24:51 i did check via the appmanager but i don't have extras/devel repos May 30 15:24:59 so i'm asking May 30 15:25:12 vice, frodo what else May 30 15:25:29 peetah: .deb anywhere? May 30 15:26:07 in one of the official repositories, don't remember which one though May 30 15:26:28 okay, so i'll look first :) May 30 15:28:39 here is the tmo thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48171 May 30 15:29:05 extras-devel, thank you! May 30 15:30:04 ruskie: waited the 12 mins? if cache download is aborted in between it takes another 12 minutes... May 30 15:30:31 chem|st, probably left it untouched for 30 minutes May 30 15:30:46 ruskie: weird... May 30 15:31:05 but atm letting it see what it can May 30 15:34:18 ruskie: google says it depends on the software used, remember n900 ovi maps getting no connection when offline?! May 30 15:34:44 never used n900 ovi maps May 30 15:35:04 but atm trying to get the n95 in online mode to actually work... still no lock on gps May 30 15:35:06 was one of the first n900 gps bug reports May 30 15:37:48 uh, "no connection"? May 30 15:38:49 the only thing they changed in ovi maps was to not switch gps immediately off when screen blanked May 30 15:43:24 ovi maps is hugely annoying without network connection, every time the screen has been blanked for a minute it asks if the I allow roaming data use (no) and then that internet connection failed, retry? (no)... and the same thing again a minute later May 30 15:43:58 * ruskie gives up on n95 for anything but alarm clock use May 30 15:47:56 ShadowJK: that prolly was the first ^^ May 30 15:50:07 @ruskie Poor N95. May 30 16:07:52 MohammadAG, most pointless thread ever is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73419 May 30 16:12:18 Venemo: +1 May 30 16:12:29 Jaffa :) May 30 16:13:22 * SpeedEvil realises he would get karma for starting a brainstorm to add 'dislike' buttons to TMO. May 30 16:14:14 SpeedEvil, there is already such a brainstorm May 30 16:14:19 Ah. May 30 16:14:26 Damn! Foiled again. May 30 16:14:39 SpeedEvil, I think I saw it ~1 year ago, but nothing has came out of it May 30 16:17:23 Jaffa, btw I voted on "no" at that thread May 30 16:18:14 I want meta likes May 30 16:19:15 like, "I dislike the ramifications of the facts brought to light in this post"-dislike and a "This author made a good post about the dislikeful topic" May 30 16:19:48 ShadowJK, then it gets fun May 30 16:19:55 meta-meta-moods May 30 16:20:15 "I liked the fact this guy liked the topic but for the wrong reasons :P May 30 16:21:45 lol May 30 16:22:54 Venemo: you're no better than those that voted yes :-P May 30 16:24:14 DocScrutinizer, what do you mean? :P May 30 16:24:16 and btw at least stskeeps agreed on non-PR-bound binary updates, aiui May 30 16:24:35 Venemo: voting on this poll is useless, no matter what you vote for May 30 16:24:58 DocScrutinizer, indeed, but voting for "no" and seeing abill whining about it is more fun May 30 16:25:24 the thread itself however is kinda fun and actually brought some small bits to a wider audience May 30 16:25:35 small bits, for example? May 30 16:27:31 stskeeps' notions on some bits - the long lawyer queue at maemo and the fact it's overloaded atm - the still widely common misconception of hw drivers being our biggest problem at maemo... May 30 16:28:05 mhm May 30 16:28:07 Open gfx would be nice. May 30 16:28:32 won't happen until hell freezing over May 30 16:29:02 at least that's what I got from it May 30 16:29:07 open gfx hasn't even happened on the desktop yet May 30 16:29:16 exactly May 30 16:30:20 I'd say it's less likely to happen on the desktop May 30 16:31:02 maybe, but eternity / 2 is still a long time ;-) May 30 16:31:21 DocScrutinizer :D May 30 16:36:25 Hello, does symbian store texts in ram? May 30 16:36:29 from this PoV we didn't perform THAT bad at OM with glamo May 30 16:36:43 lolcat, how should we know May 30 16:36:57 it's just glamo performs terribly bad ;-P May 30 16:37:29 Venemo: Thihs is the channel with the highest density of Nokia Fanboys May 30 16:37:42 lolcat, I wouldn't say so May 30 16:37:45 lolcat, this channel is not about Symbian May 30 16:38:54 It is about the mythical N900 May 30 16:44:08