**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 02 02:59:56 2011 Jun 02 02:59:59 I don't know if windows will recognise the n900 as a mass storage device if you just plug it in. Jun 02 03:00:28 SpeedEvil: It does if you select mass storage mode but I think it only gives you access to /home/user/MyDocs then Jun 02 03:00:43 I need the n900 to let me use the laptop keyboard and screen Jun 02 03:00:58 I don't think pc-suite does that does it? Jun 02 03:01:01 it should... Jun 02 03:01:02 there's probably a modem driver download which would be tiny... Jun 02 03:01:03 Or do you mean for tethering? Jun 02 03:01:41 * timeless_xchat hates the term "tethering" Jun 02 03:01:55 I already can access the filesystem by mass storage device, but I need to havea browser in them XPlaptop online Jun 02 03:02:05 different groups use it to mean different things Jun 02 03:02:25 so... you don't need pcsuite for that Jun 02 03:02:41 one approach is to install BT DUN on your n900 Jun 02 03:02:51 much much tinier Jun 02 03:02:53 I suppose I want the n900 as a modem Jun 02 03:03:28 timeless_xchat: what is that? Jun 02 03:03:35 there should be a download on nokia.com for a usb modem driver Jun 02 03:03:49 does your PC have bluetooth? Jun 02 03:04:48 can you link me to that download please? Jun 02 03:05:25 I use the nokia usb cable... not bluetooth Jun 02 03:05:53 * timeless_xchat is walking around w/ just an n900 Jun 02 03:10:10 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking is one approach that might work... Jun 02 03:12:32 * jpinx stopped download PCSuite..... Jun 02 03:13:01 cool, that page explains why my mac was constantly growing usb ethernet interfaces each time it met my n900 Jun 02 03:13:11 if only everyone used linux, you would have it working OOB :D Jun 02 03:14:01 um Jun 02 03:14:10 nothing works OOB w/ Linux :) Jun 02 03:14:20 timeless_xchat: that page does not fix my problem Jun 02 03:14:24 take my exopc for instance Jun 02 03:14:38 it doesn't support usb sticks OOB Jun 02 03:14:56 (usb keyboard required and not included) Jun 02 03:15:34 timeless_xchat: do you have a link for me for that bto** whatever it was ? Jun 02 03:16:36 BT DUn ? Jun 02 03:18:25 I don't see it in the applications list Jun 02 03:21:23 anyone able to help here please? or am I in the wrong timezone ;) Jun 02 03:23:37 it's in extras-devel at least Jun 02 03:23:45 I have an XP laptop, a n900 with nokia usb cable and a gprs connection. Iwant theN900 to act as a modem for the XPlaptop Jun 02 03:25:03 At least on linux - you can do this by just selecting 'pc suite' mode - and then setting the n900 up as a modem. Jun 02 03:25:12 jpinx: You could probably create a SOCKS proxy on the N900 using ssh but that's probably not the ideal solution. Jun 02 03:25:16 I don't know how you'd tell XP to do this though. Jun 02 03:26:08 krayon: is that workable with XP? Jun 02 03:26:57 SpeedEvil: which takes me back to downloading 87Mbs of PCsuite over grps :( Jun 02 03:27:34 There has to be a way to get just an '.inf' file (are they still called this? Jun 02 03:27:46 It's a 'standard' 3g modem Jun 02 03:27:59 jpinx: I dunno, I don't do Windows, but I think PuTTY can do that. Jun 02 03:32:28 jpinx: I'm no winman, but for all I know you have to: #)connect N900 to XP #) select pc-suite mode #) on XP create new device GPRS-modem Jun 02 03:32:36 should work OOTB Jun 02 03:33:46 jpinx: N900 should act exactly like arbitrary other USB-GPRS-modem dongles Jun 02 03:34:24 (the thing with "number: *99#" etc...) Jun 02 03:35:48 Finally getting out of California. Jun 02 03:36:31 all just hearsay, but seems close enough to what you'd expect it to work like Jun 02 03:36:51 GAN900: what's wrong with california? Jun 02 03:37:30 DocScrutinizer, it's cold, expensive, full of collectivists, and I want to be home. Jun 02 03:37:42 Been here since Saturday before last. Jun 02 03:37:54 cold?? :-o Jun 02 03:38:47 * jpinx tries DocScrutinizer solution Jun 02 03:39:45 seems we finally managed to messed up climate fubar. Nice to see it hits where the cause been. Jun 02 03:41:09 jpinx: this seems to work so naturally most of the time, you hardly find any howto about it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 02 03:41:39 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 02 03:42:14 2011 Jun 02 03:42:19 Funny when science becomes religion. Jun 02 03:42:51 even more funny when dogmatism and religion replaces science Jun 02 03:43:19 not to forget the massive industrial and political interests Jun 02 03:44:46 heard you first time got >100 tornadoes concurrently this year, over there. Isn't this a reason to reconsider? Jun 02 03:45:47 Yes, the irony in your first statement is golden. Jun 02 03:45:50 maybe it's been slightly different numbers, I just didn't follow anymore, as "meh USA" Jun 02 03:46:24 The environmental interests have so politicized the issue nobody on either side can see it rationally anymore. Jun 02 03:46:39 indeed Jun 02 03:46:43 DocScrutinizer, funny, I feel the same about the EU. *g* Jun 02 03:46:54 * DocScrutinizer too Jun 02 03:47:26 Politicized science is politicized science, whether it agrees with your particular world view or not. Jun 02 03:47:52 in fact it stops to be science Jun 02 03:48:27 Bingo Jun 02 03:49:42 but honestly, a country where 50(?)% believe the world is 6800 years old, and Norwegian fjords aren't made by Slatibartfas but by a man with a similar long white beard.... :-x Jun 02 03:50:13 DocScrutinizer, polls like that are pretty meaningless Jun 02 03:50:33 and don't try to claim there aren't plenty of idiots anywhere you go Jun 02 03:50:45 or that the US is the worst of the bunch Jun 02 03:51:25 at least they explain how wino clowns that believe they hear God's voice each morning on the phone can get US-president Jun 02 03:51:25 I submit the EU and its collective penchance for collectivism as a fine example. Jun 02 03:51:53 Ah, yes, political charicatures. Jun 02 03:52:27 I can tell it's time for the nausea meds again. :( Jun 02 03:52:36 * GAN900 goes to buy a bottle of water. Jun 02 03:56:02 * DocScrutinizer waits for OVI upload (aka 'share') finally blows chunks and aborts with "unknown error" @ 230 of 244MB Jun 02 04:02:19 ~dict penchance Jun 02 04:02:22 could not find definition for penchance Jun 02 04:02:38 ~spell penchance Jun 02 04:02:39 possible spellings for penchance: pen chance pen-chance perchance penance penchant penchants penchant's Pynchon's Jun 02 04:03:24 hmm, penchant seems to fit Jun 02 04:03:32 Yes. Jun 02 04:03:40 DocScrutinizer: my XP does not see any device when I connect in PCsuite mode Jun 02 04:03:43 infobot fail. Jun 02 04:03:43 FAIL. Jun 02 04:05:59 jpinx: that's a bit strange but not a real obstacle I guess. Last time I touched a redmond borne OS, it had that hw wizard that allowed to create new devices by selecting from a list. Maybe that helps. There are laso some .inf or dunno "config" files that help in autodetecting new devices and the right drivers for them Jun 02 04:07:17 jpinx: try creating a new modem, type USB subtype GPRS Jun 02 04:07:44 but honestly you might get generic advice from a true windows user rather than me Jun 02 04:08:59 penchance is the likelyhood of the stylus being in the hole. Jun 02 04:09:13 hehehehe Jun 02 04:10:08 also vulg. ;-) Jun 02 04:12:14 is there any way to get a proper percentage or absolute MB value from that "sharing" system applet dialog? Jun 02 04:12:47 DocScrutinizer: XP sees the n900 but wants the software to add it Jun 02 04:13:01 or can sb tell me how long that (blue) bar will grow until reaching 100%? Jun 02 04:13:35 jpinx: tell XP it's a usual USB modem Jun 02 04:16:00 * DocScrutinizer starts to swear as in 15min his DSL will disconnect and upload of those 244MB to OVI will inevitably stall and fail then :-S Jun 02 04:16:16 I don't expect it to finish until then Jun 02 04:18:54 isn't it incredible there's still no video editing app on N900, to split/trim/join .mp4 recorded by the camera? Jun 02 04:28:17 DocScrutinizer: thanks, but it appears that my XP will not do that Jun 02 04:29:26 * jpinx has XP home pre-installed ... and in spanish :) Jun 02 04:30:45 jpinx: good god why Jun 02 04:31:09 why what? Jun 02 04:31:25 xp home Jun 02 04:31:58 that is what it came with ... cheap eeepc Jun 02 04:32:47 ah Jun 02 04:33:02 the objective is to install debian on it, but that is going to be a painful network install over gprs Jun 02 04:33:18 it'll run win7 quite nicely too Jun 02 04:34:25 maybe but I am developing a bad rash from trying to get XP to work ;) Jun 02 04:34:51 allergy to MS :) Jun 02 04:34:59 haha Jun 02 04:36:03 wblaze: so any suggestions ow to sort it will be greatly appreciated. but the n900 on gprs is my only connection to the internet from here Jun 02 04:36:08 \o/ the 244MB upload didn't abort, it simply started at 0% again after reconnect of my DSL - WAAAAAHAHA Jun 02 04:36:56 this OVI sharing service on maemo is really smart and great *cough* Jun 02 04:37:10 DocScrutinizer: be glad it wasn't over gprs :P Jun 02 04:37:50 actually my 3G is way faster than the DSL upstream Jun 02 04:37:57 jpinx: no clue, and unfortunately no xp machines left here - I am curious now too Jun 02 04:38:35 DocScrutinizer: 2G here :( Jun 02 04:38:50 jpinx: but, didn't that eeepc come with wifi? Jun 02 04:39:26 tether that way? Jun 02 04:39:29 wblaze: no wifi siganl for 100 kms of me :) Jun 02 04:39:39 no Jun 02 04:39:57 connect to the phone with wifi Jun 02 04:40:35 * DocScrutinizer sighs Jun 02 04:40:58 wblaze: please elaborate Jun 02 04:41:24 sec, looking for link capable of explaining properly Jun 02 04:41:36 k Jun 02 04:44:18 jpinx: http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org Jun 02 04:44:59 thanks :) looking.... Jun 02 04:46:25 ouch... that looks drastic Jun 02 04:46:51 No way can I risk crashing the n900 Jun 02 04:47:09 it does, more than I expected... only saw the description previously Jun 02 04:47:24 turns the n900 into a wireless ap Jun 02 04:48:31 is there not a way to do the smame more simply overthe usb cable connnection? Jun 02 04:50:19 jpinx: http://www.infdump.com/download-inf-files_new.php/inffiles/W/wpdmtp.inf/5.2.0.0/download.html try this Jun 02 04:51:22 joiku.com seems to have a (inexpensive, not free) easier solution for wifi Jun 02 04:51:47 mmpf seems there's a download error on that link, sorry Jun 02 04:51:48 DocScrutinizer: what is that? Jun 02 04:52:29 supposed to be the mentioned .inf file to make XP recognise the N900 as a usual USB-modem Jun 02 04:53:03 ah ok ... but download fails :( Jun 02 04:54:29 or is it that textfile thatcomes up in the browser? Jun 02 04:57:17 * jpinx saved it Jun 02 05:02:24 jpinx: alternative method: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Starting_USB_network_mode_with_Windows >>(actually MADDE for Windows is not required, but just files maemo_usbnet.inf and maemo_usbnet.cat for installation network device Linux USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget). Jun 02 05:08:19 are those files available seperately? Jun 02 05:17:28 jpinx: what's your system? XP SP2? Jun 02 05:18:30 wblaze: hotspot eating battery like mad Jun 02 05:19:24 DocScrutinizer: if you use hotspot, odds are you're near enough to a power source Jun 02 05:20:31 and usually takes fewer driver installs to use Jun 02 05:25:51 good morning Jun 02 08:37:11 DocScrutinizer: I gave u and got the PCsuite donloaded and working mow ... thanks for the help Jun 02 08:54:08 jpinx: good. Nice it works for you now :-) Jun 02 08:54:58 thanks a lot for the poingters,,, we live anmd learn ;) Jun 02 08:56:21 currently installing new antivirus on the XPlaptop ready to start getting debian downloading, all thanks to gprs2.5 on the N900 Jun 02 08:57:30 only question is what will happen when I get a phonecall during the download :/ Jun 02 08:58:31 call yourself and test it ;) Jun 02 08:59:10 heh Jun 02 09:00:43 yo Jun 02 09:00:52 is there a flashlight program that doesnt blow? Jun 02 09:01:32 flashlight-extra just causes an extra 200 wakeups per second Jun 02 09:02:11 is there some dbus command or or somthing i can use instead? Jun 02 09:06:47 * Arkenoi tries to figure out WHAT causes my n900 to be several times slower than it was. RAM and swap usage is quite low, as well as cpu, but every user action causes it to lag and load indicator to raise for serveral seconds. Top io is claimed by "innocent" programs like hildon-status-menu, telepathy-gabble and rtcomm-call-ui, Jun 02 09:24:21 Texas Instruments announces multi-core, 1.8GHz OMAP4470 ARM processor for Windows 8 Jun 02 09:24:28 Good moorning all Jun 02 09:24:40 \o/ Jun 02 09:26:52 Meanwhile: A Russian computer programmer who believed that spending the night buried alive would bring him good luck didn't survive the subterranean ritual. Jun 02 09:30:02 And, finally: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/the-oh-sh_t-moment-that-nokia-decided-to-abandon-meego/ Jun 02 09:32:08 RST38h, that is just a bunch of bullshit sprayed out of the CDOs mouth, frankly. Jun 02 09:33:00 How does reverse ssh connection works in smscon? Did anyone use it? Jun 02 09:33:34 "We are only going to release three MeeGo phones by the end of 2014" "oh shit... I know the solution, let's change to Windows Phone 7!" Jun 02 09:34:34 Yea... Jun 02 09:34:40 Termana: Who knows Jun 02 09:34:55 Oh well, hopefully Intel'll come out with a decent offering before I have to give up my n900 Jun 02 09:35:17 and heck, with an intel proc I'd be able to run nice fast Wine and old Windows games! Jun 02 09:35:28 Termana: It is also quite possible that he has been purposedly making it look worse than it was Jun 02 09:36:04 He did say a clear "no" about Nokia's buyout by MS Jun 02 09:57:20 errr, M$ earning $$$$$ from *android* (I heard [citation needed]) - so who's foolish enough to think one of Elop's premises been to make sure Nokia doesn't grow up to compete? Jun 02 10:06:13 morning Jun 02 10:07:43 I just read something about Elop saying he wouldn't confirm a tablet is being developed.... Jun 02 10:07:47 or was I dreaming? Jun 02 10:08:11 Woo, ATL. Jun 02 10:09:21 morning Jun 02 10:14:32 http://www.nasa.gov/topics/aeronautics/features/big_picture_facet.html is quite interesting Jun 02 10:14:39 totally OT mind you Jun 02 10:22:09 lol @ khertan's comment in the TMO script kiddle thread Jun 02 10:24:26 divan, I've tried the reverse ssh in smscon, seemed to work fine Jun 02 10:29:11 lardman: eat Jun 02 10:29:12 n Jun 02 10:32:47 \o/ Jun 02 10:47:00 joga, yes, I've succeeded too. But it wasn't clear enough on which port it starts listening. It's 8080. Jun 02 10:47:21 should be in wiki, I guess. Jun 02 10:53:24 There's a Krystal burger across from my gate. Q_Q Jun 02 10:55:12 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jun 02 10:55:27 * DocScrutinizer yawns Jun 02 10:55:39 The number of phone calls I get can be guessed from this. Jun 02 10:56:00 While wandering around websites on the computer - the n900 rang. Jun 02 10:56:36 Right next to me. I started trying to work out which website was making the noise, and diddn't find it before the phone stopped. Jun 02 10:56:44 you wondered what's that strange sound? Jun 02 10:56:50 I only dound out due to the missed call. Jun 02 10:57:12 yes - for some reason the sound I picked changed. Jun 02 10:57:24 hehe Jun 02 11:00:18 * DocScrutinizer ponders to use netstat to find out if that's still the upload to vimeo that makes the switch flash, or if that frigging upload stalled since hours and sth worse is going on Jun 02 11:03:36 how do i flash the n900 when it wants to bootloop? Jun 02 11:07:53 hold 'u' Jun 02 11:09:10 thanks Jun 02 11:09:20 finally found the bit of hte troubleshooting i've been missing Jun 02 11:09:49 i suppose my next question is how to make fcam work with power kernel WITHOUT causing a bootloop... Jun 02 11:17:05 ...so yeah. Sorry all for the timeouts. My connction is rock solid, and it's only IRC with issues, so I suspect it's my router's NAT sessions timing out, thus the server pings not getting through to my client. I think. :S Jun 02 11:21:19 mr_jrt: so are you going through some server somewhere? or do you have a domain name for your house? Jun 02 11:36:26 hey guys Jun 02 11:36:32 question Jun 02 11:36:46 how is this nitdroid? Jun 02 11:37:22 Chibi-Taiga: see $title ;-) Jun 02 11:37:42 uhm kay... Jun 02 11:41:31 Chibi-Taiga: rubbish Jun 02 11:41:41 ;) Jun 02 11:45:55 mustn't that read "stay clear"? Jun 02 11:47:20 maybe "keep (n900) clear" Jun 02 11:49:28 another debian newbies question... i have used /etc/apt/preferences to give -testing priority over -devel. how can i override that for a single package? Jun 02 11:50:46 =version ? Jun 02 11:50:50 hmm, that Bloomberg article about Nokia seems very anti-Europe, is that standard fare from Bloomberg? Jun 02 11:51:00 uhm Jun 02 11:51:04 no doubt it makes some valid points, but still Jun 02 11:51:08 about aircrack Jun 02 11:51:12 http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_39/b4196007421255.htm Jun 02 11:51:15 bloomberg? Jun 02 11:51:19 oh Jun 02 11:51:27 what pliugins do ineed Jun 02 11:51:53 DocScrutinizer: not sure i understand... Jun 02 11:51:54 reasonable the injection driver for WLAN? Jun 02 11:52:16 i was hoping there was a config file that could say "always get the latest version of FOO from whatever reop" Jun 02 11:52:17 well im sing an n900 Jun 02 11:52:21 using Jun 02 11:52:32 and installed aircrack Jun 02 11:52:46 BCMM: if it's same version in -test and -dev then it doesn't matter - otherwise specify version Jun 02 11:52:47 but what more do i need to run ir Jun 02 11:53:12 airodump I'd guess Jun 02 11:53:41 comes with aircrack Jun 02 11:54:06 latest version allegedly has a flaw in packaging, or sth Jun 02 12:01:01 is it called like that in app manager? Jun 02 12:13:10 I've just had my daily laugh on TMO: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1020869#post1020869 Jun 02 12:27:23 lardman: Oct 2010?? Jun 02 12:27:35 ? Jun 02 12:27:51 bloomberg article Jun 02 12:28:01 hmm, perhaps it's the wrong one then Jun 02 12:28:14 engadget was commenting on some recent (I thought) article Jun 02 12:28:30 maybe not ;-P Jun 02 12:29:30 quite :) Jun 02 12:29:32 also I can't really find much anti-EU in it. I'm rather afraid it's quite to the point Jun 02 12:29:59 ah well, perhaps it was just me then Jun 02 12:30:06 I should have just taken the day off ;) Jun 02 12:30:30 meeh .. when plugging a headphone in too slowly, the n900 thinks it has to activate video out Jun 02 12:30:41 which makes a terribly noise Jun 02 12:30:53 suggesting Nokia should move to CA is bold, but that's how big business happens Jun 02 12:31:29 lardman: duh, you got no day off today? Jun 02 12:31:51 the great jetpack day! Jun 02 12:31:52 no, I'm in because someone was supposed to be picking something up, but I've heard nothing Jun 02 12:32:02 also booze day I heard ;-) Jun 02 12:32:13 haha Jun 02 12:33:44 hmm, I quite fancy a pint Jun 02 12:34:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Cj6ho1-G6tw&vq=medium Jun 02 12:34:41 DocScrutinizer: I'm joining the middle of the conversation thread. Who is suggesting Nokia should move to California (or Canada)? Jun 02 12:35:19 nokia is right on track to move to nirvana Jun 02 12:35:29 california, and bloomberg http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_39/b4196007421255.htm Jun 02 12:35:39 DocScrutinizer: Thanks. Jun 02 12:35:55 <_trine> is there anyway to speed up application manager and its enormous waiting period the n900 has between each application you want to install Jun 02 12:36:17 _trine: disable extras and other repos you dont need Jun 02 12:36:32 or use fapman and ignore the people crying about it Jun 02 12:36:41 <_trine> ah is that the reason thanks Jun 02 12:36:59 <_trine> whats fapman Jun 02 12:37:06 faster application manager Jun 02 12:37:42 <_trine> is it an app Jun 02 12:37:52 incredible - I can't watch YT vids as my UPstream is @ 99% Jun 02 12:39:31 yes _trine , an app (manager) with potential to mess up your system Jun 02 12:39:44 <_trine> oh Jun 02 12:40:30 Woo, TPA. Jun 02 12:40:33 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, I have just reflashed my n900 and am starting over again installing my apps Jun 02 12:41:10 <_trine> I thought it was probably the best way to proceed after last night Jun 02 12:41:30 GAN900: you back home now? Jun 02 12:41:53 Very nearly Jun 02 12:41:59 _trine: there's a trick I'd really like to implement eventually: backup app, when restoring, knows how to invoke HAM in a way you can tag multiple apps and install in one step Jun 02 12:42:30 Just need to be driven across the bay. Jun 02 12:42:51 alas you'd need a "backup" file that has all the existing apps as "installed", so you could make use of this feature Jun 02 12:43:28 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, that would be a really nice feature Jun 02 12:44:13 anyway, for your previously installed apps backup works like a charm, compared to manually selecting and installing each one in HAM Jun 02 12:45:38 GAN900: not the bay with the fog I take it? Jun 02 12:45:44 <_trine> when I have redone everything can you instruct me on how to do that? Jun 02 12:46:09 restoring a backup? that's pretty easy Jun 02 12:46:36 <_trine> and can you restore all the apps though Jun 02 12:46:55 and probably you should do it now, rather than later - given you cared to do a backup prior to wiping your device Jun 02 12:47:51 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, well would that not just back up this new install Jun 02 12:48:07 <_trine> at the moment nothing much is installed Jun 02 12:48:23 <_trine> I am just starting to redo it Jun 02 12:48:33 I'm suggesting a restore of a backup done prior to wiping Jun 02 12:49:00 <_trine> I do have anther N900 though which does have all the apps working on it Jun 02 12:49:25 <_trine> could I back that up and restore it to this other one Jun 02 12:49:28 so do a backup there, copy the backup file to this device, and restore it Jun 02 12:49:43 yes :-D Jun 02 12:49:45 <_trine> will it do all the apps Jun 02 12:49:48 <_trine> oh Jun 02 12:49:51 yes Jun 02 12:49:57 <_trine> wow Jun 02 12:50:07 <_trine> this will save me lots of time Jun 02 12:50:15 indeed Jun 02 12:50:22 <_trine> can you tell me how to do it Jun 02 12:50:36 given the avrg turnaround time of HAM is like 5min Jun 02 12:50:44 <_trine> it is Jun 02 12:50:47 easy Jun 02 12:51:05 <_trine> I have the working phone ready Jun 02 12:51:11 <_trine> in my hand Jun 02 12:51:15 start backup app, create a full backup - preferably to uSD Jun 02 12:52:20 backup "all", you can deselect subgroups (like settings) during restore Jun 02 12:53:07 <_trine> I am trying to find the backup app Jun 02 12:53:21 then, when backup finished, move the uSD to "empty" phone Jun 02 12:53:39 <_trine> is backup on the phone or on the computer Jun 02 12:54:13 now the catch: first do a backup on new phone, so you got a copy of the virgin state Jun 02 12:54:19 <_trine> is it part of the nokia pc suite Jun 02 12:54:28 <_trine> or an app on the phone Jun 02 12:54:28 (on the phone, under apps) Jun 02 12:54:32 <_trine> ok Jun 02 12:55:42 only after you created a backup of your new phone's empty state, you start restore (also in backup app) and select the backup from uSD&old-phone to restore from Jun 02 12:56:38 general rule: no restore without doing a backup of previous state immediately prior to it Jun 02 12:56:39 anyone watched the interview with elop from D9 posted over at nokconv? Jun 02 12:58:11 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, I have started the backup app but nothing lets me press anything Jun 02 12:58:23 <_trine> none of the buttons work Jun 02 12:58:37 <_trine> maybe I should reboot it Jun 02 12:59:08 hacker's hint regarding backup app: take care, you can't distinguish files from uSD from those from MyNokia, so make sure you choose proper unique names Jun 02 12:59:09 <_trine> ah Jun 02 12:59:20 <_trine> now I know what happened Jun 02 12:59:33 <_trine> I had it plugged into the usb connector Jun 02 13:00:36 hacker's hint regarding installing / restoring: NEVER do that while device is in mass storage mode Jun 02 13:00:59 <_trine> the good phone is now backing up Jun 02 13:01:32 <_trine> it has backed up now Jun 02 13:01:41 <_trine> which was very quick Jun 02 13:01:51 _trine: btw that *might* explain what happened to your 'bad' phone, if you installed apps while device been in mass storage mode Jun 02 13:02:04 <_trine> could be Jun 02 13:02:15 <_trine> probab;y was Jun 02 13:02:32 <_trine> the backup seems quite small Jun 02 13:02:37 <_trine> 2.4 meg Jun 02 13:02:58 <_trine> does that sound correct Jun 02 13:03:04 yeah, it has none of the binaries, just a list which ones to download and install Jun 02 13:03:33 <_trine> now I have this what do i do to transfer this to my other phone Jun 02 13:03:34 so 2.4M sounds correct Jun 02 13:04:14 if you selected "storage: card" then just take the card and plug it to the bad phone Jun 02 13:05:08 <_trine> I didnt but I will do that now Jun 02 13:05:10 you should doublecheck you've not written the backup to "phone" (= MyNokia) Jun 02 13:05:18 yep :-) Jun 02 13:05:35 err MyDocs Jun 02 13:05:43 time for 12648430 ☕ Jun 02 13:12:09 hay guys Jun 02 13:12:23 anyone know how to get the n900 to uh. 'rescan' upnp servers? Jun 02 13:12:31 grass korhojoa Jun 02 13:13:11 never knew it did Jun 02 13:13:27 grass? Jun 02 13:13:34 well, heard about it, but seems I got none here Jun 02 13:13:43 grass is fresh hay Jun 02 13:14:07 well. my interpretation pales in comparison Jun 02 13:14:29 <_trine> doc why would I have a picture of the memory card next to the signal strength indicator at the top of my screen which has a red line through it Jun 02 13:14:44 it's not the memory card, it's the SIM card Jun 02 13:14:54 yo Jun 02 13:15:17 afaik SIM Jun 02 13:15:18 <_trine> ah that explains that then Jun 02 13:16:43 _trine: that means there is no SIM card Jun 02 13:17:08 :-) Jun 02 13:17:14 by the way, does the n900 make emergency calls without a SIM? Jun 02 13:17:23 should Jun 02 13:17:31 it has a FCC cert Jun 02 13:18:05 should even skip device lock code query to do 911 calls, aiui Jun 02 13:18:20 never checked if it's compliant to this rule Jun 02 13:19:29 <_trine> If I dont reinstall the setting what will that mean Jun 02 13:20:16 <_trine> what are the settings it refers to Jun 02 13:20:18 err, some of the customizations will stay at original state, like *maybe* mail accounts, wallpapers, dunno what exactly Jun 02 13:20:28 <_trine> ok Jun 02 13:21:15 you can restore those on a second pass, and also can revert them to the state saved to your "virgin-backup" I suggested ;-) Jun 02 13:21:42 * lardman heads off for a midwife's appointment Jun 02 13:21:45 catch you all later Jun 02 13:32:17 can't get smscon to work.. The phone receives sms-messages with commands and nothing happens, while smscon seems to be running and configured... Jun 02 13:33:15 _trine: working? Jun 02 13:33:19 BTW, I thought the commands sms will be intercepted by smscon and attacker will not see it.. Jun 02 13:33:29 s/attacker/thief/ Jun 02 13:33:29 divan0 meant: BTW, I thought the commands sms will be intercepted by smscon and thief will not see it.. Jun 02 13:35:59 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, yes its reinstalling now :) Jun 02 13:36:15 <_trine> it will take a while I think Jun 02 13:36:26 the select table with all apps is nice, isn't it? Jun 02 13:37:23 <_trine> I only saw 4 different options applications settings and 2 others Jun 02 13:37:42 <_trine> were there submenus to those? Jun 02 13:38:32 at some point you can deselect particular apps in your backup to exclude them from restoring Jun 02 13:40:48 <_trine> ah yes it did say right at the beginning after I started th backup Jun 02 13:41:05 <_trine> at that point there was a list Jun 02 13:42:37 <_trine> it is very nice to be able to do this. I had previously used this app to backup but because of the size of the backup I presumed wrongly that it was only for settings etc Jun 02 13:46:20 (restore apps) http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10094 alas only *# there, could be more Jun 02 13:50:18 * DocScrutinizer HATES it when that happens, touchpad setting focus elsewhere, so instead of writing, konversations accepts shortcut to quit Jun 02 13:51:05 of course all private queries closed :-/ Jun 02 13:55:44 la laa laalaaaa laaaa Jun 02 14:20:49 Has anybody tried to do an jabber/xmpp call between a n900 and android? Jun 02 14:21:45 My sister has an android Nexus S....but I cannot see the voice or video option for jabber in the n900, when opening here contact. Jun 02 14:46:11 does anybody here use some stereo bt headphones with the n900? Jun 02 14:46:19 i've never used them before and was wondering if they even worked :) Jun 02 14:46:49 does it even support a2dp? Jun 02 14:48:03 it should Jun 02 14:48:50 ok. just checking Jun 02 14:49:19 i want to use my n900 to go running with but i learned today that the wire is not cool heh Jun 02 14:49:29 plus i need something that clips onto my ears a little better Jun 02 14:49:52 Macer: If you find some nice ones, tell me. Jun 02 14:50:08 SpeedEvil: believe it or not a while back i had some nice ones (when they worked) Jun 02 14:50:12 some no name brand Jun 02 14:50:12 I found that the right sized earpieces worked well. Jun 02 14:50:22 DocScrutinizer: ping Jun 02 14:50:26 but they just stopped working on me all of a sudden Jun 02 14:50:26 Macer: i used my n900 with nokia bh-504 Jun 02 14:51:16 rcg: heh. those look awesome but they look horrible for running ;) Jun 02 14:51:28 searching on maemo talk Jun 02 14:51:33 looks like alot of people using it Jun 02 14:51:54 Macer: heh, yeah.. for running those are _probably_ not that good ;) Jun 02 14:52:09 rcg: i can see my sweat filling up the padded earmuffs hahaha Jun 02 14:52:11 I'd actually like the existing headphones for running. Jun 02 14:52:12 that's gross ;) Jun 02 14:52:22 Terminating in a little medallion shaped thing. Jun 02 14:52:26 lol Jun 02 14:52:43 i swear tho. i went to best buy one day and found the biggest no name ones you could buy Jun 02 14:52:46 for $40 Jun 02 14:53:03 and they were absolutely awesome.. super amplified.. then i dropped them a few times and other stuff and they stopped working :( Jun 02 14:54:47 http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-S10-HD-Bluetooth-Headphones-Packaging/dp/B004BHCSQC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1307026448&sr=8-2 Jun 02 14:54:54 wow those look seriously uncomfortable haha Jun 02 14:55:24 That's not really great reviews from some. Jun 02 14:57:05 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tefal-ActiFry-Low-Electric-Fryer/product-reviews/B000T76UOE/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 - was some of the most mixed reviews I found for an appliance. Jun 02 14:57:20 'great - until it catches fire' was the general theme. Jun 02 15:09:48 MohammadAG: "offline_access"? What would it do? Jun 02 15:14:45 what's that app that lets you configure which status area applets are shown? Jun 02 15:14:59 (without actually uninstalling them) Jun 02 15:15:53 vim? Jun 02 15:16:03 Sorry, vi? Jun 02 15:16:05 :) Jun 02 15:17:02 no, vim is the correct answer Jun 02 15:17:08 but i recall their being a GUI for it Jun 02 15:17:23 see, FM Carkit is useful, on occasion, but annoying when i don't want it Jun 02 15:21:32 merlin1991: pong Jun 02 15:21:36 Hrm, this is where context awareness comes in : Jun 02 15:23:55 Macer: Sony HBH-DS220 BT stereo hs, works just fine Jun 02 15:24:22 DocScrutinizer: fwiw PCSuite seriously messes with some of the simple basic functions like file transfer Jun 02 15:24:31 very occasionally a short dropout, might be interference as well Jun 02 15:26:09 BCMM: never seen "an app for that" Jun 02 15:27:12 N900 going batshit psycho: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/spontaneousArt_madBatShit_20110602_001.mp4 Jun 02 15:27:48 (comes with cool blairwitch proj style camra ;-P) Jun 02 15:28:22 no overdubs, all live Jun 02 15:30:25 weird stuff Jun 02 15:39:48 meh, and now a nice little DSL outage Jun 02 15:45:51 hi Jun 02 15:46:09 can someone please help me Jun 02 15:47:15 ??? Jun 02 15:52:43 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, I have been trying to find PyQt but there only seems to be a version for PR 1.2 Jun 02 15:53:05 <_trine> I need one for PR 1.3 Jun 02 15:56:29 _trine: there are devels way more familiar with that topic than me, sorry Jun 02 15:56:37 short: dunno Jun 02 15:57:47 did somebody help Strahlex by kicking him? X-P Jun 02 15:57:50 <_trine> I found it just after I asked as sods law would predict Jun 02 15:57:56 <_trine> apt-get install python2.5-qt4-gui Jun 02 15:57:58 <_trine> sorry Jun 02 15:58:03 np Jun 02 15:58:27 can somebody help me with (OT): Jun 02 15:58:37 Jun 2 04:35:07 lagrange sshd[11460]: subsystem request for sftp Jun 02 15:58:38 Jun 2 04:38:54 lagrange sshd[11460]: channel 0: rcvd big packet 32797, maxpack 32768 Jun 02 15:59:36 ( did an sftp transfer [upload] at that time, obviously) Jun 02 16:00:23 MTU in ifconfig, or what? Jun 02 16:00:50 meh, MTU is 1500 Jun 02 16:12:01 it's unrelated to mtu for sure Jun 02 16:13:30 thought as much Jun 02 16:14:41 MTU however is for packet sniplets, not for recombined split packets, no? Jun 02 16:15:56 (had this line like "...is repeated 87656 times") Jun 02 16:15:57 yes Jun 02 16:16:19 spamming my log Jun 02 16:16:30 Odd. Jun 02 16:16:40 Is there an extant ssh connection? Jun 02 16:16:45 <_trine> Thanks DocScrutinizer for the tip about backing up it works very well Jun 02 16:16:56 _trine: yw Jun 02 16:17:15 SpeedEvil: extant? Jun 02 16:17:23 existant? Jun 02 16:17:45