**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 04 02:59:56 2011
Jun 04 03:24:11 <GAN900> "If You Don't Have An iPhone" commercials are mindnumbingly irritating.
Jun 04 03:24:56 <moofree> * commercials are mindnumbingly irritating
Jun 04 03:26:10 <GAN900> Well, yeah.
Jun 04 03:26:13 <GAN900> But specifically.
Jun 04 03:26:28 <moofree> i haven't seen them :P
Jun 04 03:26:44 <moofree> there are certain advantages to downloading all the shows i watch
Jun 04 03:26:46 <moofree> no commericals
Jun 04 03:29:03 <GAN900> Only thing I watch on TV are sports.
Jun 04 03:29:09 <moofree> ew
Jun 04 03:29:17 <moofree> that's one thing i specifically try not to watch :)
Jun 04 03:29:24 <moofree> it's just one big commercial
Jun 04 03:29:27 <GAN900> Meh
Jun 04 03:29:32 <moofree> i love when i attend a sporting event in real life
Jun 04 03:29:38 <moofree> and they have timeouts just to run commercials for t
Jun 04 03:29:39 <moofree> v
Jun 04 03:29:47 <GAN900> Gotta pay for it somehow.
Jun 04 03:29:53 <moofree> lol
Jun 04 03:30:16 <GAN900> Commercials are the reality of not living in a communist hell.
Jun 04 03:30:32 <GAN900> North Korean doesn't have any advertising. :P
Jun 04 03:31:40 <moofree> one of the original selling points of cable television was no commercials
Jun 04 03:31:47 <moofree> ah the promises of the future
Jun 04 03:32:05 <moofree> commercial free television, moon bases, food in pill form, flying cars
Jun 04 03:32:13 <moofree> meego phones
Jun 04 03:32:17 <moofree> etc.. :P
Jun 04 03:32:27 <GAN900> It's all a matter of patience.
Jun 04 03:32:45 <GAN900> "Just wait a little longer."
Jun 04 03:33:01 <moofree> "any time now!"
Jun 04 03:34:51 <GAN900> The one thing MeeGo actually took from Nokia that they really shouldn't have.
Jun 04 03:36:04 <myuu> lol meego
Jun 04 03:36:09 <myuu> oh hey
Jun 04 03:36:13 <myuu> actually nvm
Jun 04 03:38:34 <moofree> amigaone x1000!
Jun 04 03:38:40 <moofree> available by the end of 2010
Jun 04 03:38:53 <moofree> i can't wait
Jun 04 03:49:42 <dotCOMmie> I had a problem where my phone would reboot a minute or less after loading desktop. I disabled lifeguard-reset with flash tool and now phone is running ok. And I think I see the underlaying problem
Jun 04 03:50:27 <dotCOMmie> Modest sent an alert about an incomming email and it seems to be stuck in some queue
Jun 04 03:51:05 <dotCOMmie> The notice keeps opening and closing even after I killall on modest
Jun 04 03:51:41 <dotCOMmie> I guess this causes the hildon-desktop to perform suboptimally and the watchdog restarts the phone
Jun 04 03:51:56 <dotCOMmie> Is there a way to clear the notification queue?
Jun 04 03:52:55 <dotCOMmie> oh also as a result my desktop doesn't show any icons on it
Jun 04 03:57:15 <mikhas> GAN900, after seeing some sports here on US TV, I cannot help but think that US sports were *designed* around commercials ...
Jun 04 03:57:47 <GeneralAntilles> mikhas, I nearly fell asleep at the futbol game in Dublin.
Jun 04 03:58:15 <mikhas> ha
Jun 04 03:58:26 <GeneralAntilles> European sports really don't do it for me.
Jun 04 03:59:16 <mikhas> At least "futbol" doesnt have those frickin timeouts =p
Jun 04 03:59:48 <mikhas> GeneralAntilles, but the mavericks did an amazing job so far at making basketball interesting for me
Jun 04 04:00:04 <mikhas> (despite the commercials)
Jun 04 04:00:19 <GeneralAntilles> Basketball's problem is that the game result is largely dependent upon the whims of the refs.
Jun 04 04:00:52 <mikhas> with my limited experience, I cannot comment on that
Jun 04 04:01:53 <GeneralAntilles> Same with hockey
Jun 04 04:01:55 <GeneralAntilles> and baseball.
Jun 04 04:02:11 <GeneralAntilles> US Football is the one sport where the play-calling is somewhat clean.
Jun 04 04:21:03 <myuu> you guys im experiencing crashes with skype video calls
Jun 04 04:21:59 <cehteh> sometimes
Jun 04 04:22:18 <cehteh> well crashes what? .. the phone call disconnects?
Jun 04 04:22:27 <cehteh> not the whole os
Jun 04 04:22:38 <myuu> yeah
Jun 04 04:22:44 <myuu> sorry i should be more specific
Jun 04 04:22:54 <myuu> the phone call hangs up as soon as I start my video
Jun 04 04:23:04 <myuu> I can see others video and have a voice convo
Jun 04 04:23:52 <cehteh> nah not that, i have sometimes complete disconnects or very stuttery connections
Jun 04 04:24:14 <cehteh> video over GSM just doesnt work
Jun 04 04:24:39 <cehteh> umts maybe .. wlan works most of the time, but i use video chat rarely
Jun 04 04:33:47 <myuu> oh it doesnt work over gsm
Jun 04 04:33:48 <myuu> ?
Jun 04 04:34:22 <myuu> that should be obv lol
Jun 04 05:13:26 <myuu> oh my camera issue might not even be skype related
Jun 04 05:13:33 <myuu> my camera just shows a black screen
Jun 04 05:15:26 <SpeedEvil> shutter?
Jun 04 05:17:10 <myuu> front and back I think
Jun 04 05:19:02 <myuu> fcam drivers were the problem
Jun 04 08:05:05 <khertan> Morning
Jun 04 08:05:06 <khertan> http://tinyurl.com/n950available
Jun 04 08:12:03 <dm8tbr> khertan: cool a KIRF
Jun 04 08:51:58 <Sicelo> QWERT keyboard
Jun 04 10:14:05 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jun 04 10:29:56 * Dhraakellian wonders if it's possible to make Marble/Monav avoid highways
Jun 04 10:30:33 * RST38h wondersif it's possible to make Marble avoid hanging the N900 for several minutes at a time
Jun 04 10:37:28 <Dhraakellian> methinks monav's routing is... odd
Jun 04 11:03:14 <jacekowski> methinks that it's slow
Jun 04 11:03:41 <jacekowski> as in i would route faster with analogue map + stopping every time i wasn't sure where to go
Jun 04 11:47:44 <sq-one> hey where maemo stores the favorites of the internet browser?
Jun 04 12:00:46 <sq-one> Okay I figured out they're stored in /home/user/.bookmarks/MyBookmarks.xml but if I delete an entry there manually it is still present on the phone.
Jun 04 12:01:17 <sq-one> I have to add, that the bookmark is not removable via UI-interaction on the phone
Jun 04 12:05:56 <sq-one> okay after /etc/init.d/minireboot the undeletable bookmark is gone :)
Jun 04 12:10:19 <goiboi> hi
Jun 04 12:10:43 <goiboi> thanks jani
Jun 04 15:09:18 <Necc> why the new cssu has to offer ISO800/1600 why?? x.x
Jun 04 15:37:19 <Macer> hey
Jun 04 15:37:28 <Macer> anybody know a good app to measure distance when jogging?
Jun 04 15:37:39 <GAN900> eCoach
Jun 04 15:37:49 <Macer> awesome. let me check it out
Jun 04 15:39:48 <Macer> ugh
Jun 04 15:39:57 <Macer> why must installing apps in maemo be like pulling teeth :)
Jun 04 15:40:07 * Macer waits for it to update catalogs
Jun 04 16:47:42 <frals> Macer: thats why you use apt-get instead ;)
Jun 04 16:48:33 <Macer> haha
Jun 04 16:48:37 <Macer> it was too late
Jun 04 16:48:42 <Macer> i already had it going and was committed :)
Jun 04 16:48:52 <Macer> ecoach is pretty awesome tho
Jun 04 16:49:01 <Macer> i just ran 2 1/2 miles to test it out
Jun 04 17:02:39 <Catface> ~hi
Jun 04 17:02:39 <infobot> hello, catface
Jun 04 17:10:13 <DocScrutinizer> moo javispedro
Jun 04 17:11:39 <DocScrutinizer> 2.5miles in <60min - hey
Jun 04 17:11:39 <javispedro> moo
Jun 04 17:24:31 <myuu> Macer at least use fast app manager
Jun 04 17:34:36 <hiemanshu> so to compile apps for maemo you need to setup the scratchbox env?
Jun 04 17:35:15 <hiemanshu> I need to compile opencv for something, I dont want to setup the whole thing now, is there a way to compile it on the phone?
Jun 04 17:39:25 <trx> yes but you need to install dev packages and build essentials
Jun 04 17:39:32 <trx> etc
Jun 04 17:39:45 <trx> its faster to setup scratchbox
Jun 04 17:42:35 <hiemanshu> ah cool, I'll do that then
Jun 04 18:13:08 <Ikarus> anyone here using Sharing plugin for linux
Jun 04 18:13:31 <Ikarus> err
Jun 04 18:13:32 <Ikarus> lol
Jun 04 18:13:40 <Ikarus> anyone here using Sharing plugin for Twitter
Jun 04 18:16:25 <DocScrutinizer> plugin to where?
Jun 04 18:16:42 <DocScrutinizer> (not that I'd use anything related to twitter)
Jun 04 18:17:46 <DocScrutinizer> talking about twitter: what became of #nokia obscure threat on twitter (or was it facebook?) to do *something* on June 1st
Jun 04 18:17:54 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Jun 04 18:18:08 <vldcnst> mass suicide
Jun 04 18:18:13 <DocScrutinizer> \o/
Jun 04 18:19:01 <acecool> .
Jun 04 18:19:02 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer: it's a sharing plugin like the share on faebook etc
Jun 04 18:19:19 <Ikarus> but the setup a account crashes
Jun 04 18:20:13 <DocScrutinizer> still nfc where to plug it in - microb, modest, conversations, you PC's firewire port?
Jun 04 18:20:45 <DocScrutinizer> nm, I don't care
Jun 04 18:20:55 <vldcnst> (his answer: I don't have a firewire port)
Jun 04 18:21:45 <DocScrutinizer> vldcnst: that's why I've chosen firewire and not USB
Jun 04 18:22:18 * DocScrutinizer would guess "conversations"
Jun 04 18:22:43 <DocScrutinizer> figured it while writing
Jun 04 18:22:58 <vldcnst> twitter is for uncool people
Jun 04 18:23:51 <DocScrutinizer> I'll never get the catch of twitter, and facebook just earned the "I'm top of EVIL" award - google cried about losing it
Jun 04 18:24:08 <jacekowski> i had a breakfast today
Jun 04 18:24:14 <jacekowski> i just had a shit
Jun 04 18:24:16 <vldcnst> I see facebook as a money making machine
Jun 04 18:24:30 <jacekowski> and other kind of shit like that
Jun 04 18:24:36 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: I think that's related to twitter, right?
Jun 04 18:24:37 <jacekowski> it's for exhibitionists
Jun 04 18:24:44 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: yes
Jun 04 18:26:13 <vldcnst> you have the biggest cluster of "GONNA PAY ANOTHER 1$ TO SEE WHATS BEHIND THIS SECRET SCRATCH AND MAYBE I GET A NICE PRIZE"  kind of people
Jun 04 18:27:01 <vldcnst> like seriously, "scratch & win" 75,242 monthly active users
Jun 04 18:28:04 <DocScrutinizer> we got a official lottery in Germany "Lotto" - commonly attributed as "special tax for idiots"
Jun 04 18:28:21 <hiemanshu> I am too lazy to setup the SDK right now
Jun 04 18:28:38 * hiemanshu goes to download the VM
Jun 04 18:28:47 <DocScrutinizer> good idea
Jun 04 18:29:08 <hiemanshu> yeah, more over I have fedora
Jun 04 18:29:18 <DocScrutinizer> there's also MADDE - aiui strictly for Qt GUI stuff
Jun 04 18:29:50 <DocScrutinizer> allegedly easier that ScareBox
Jun 04 18:29:57 <hiemanshu> I just wanna compile opencv
Jun 04 18:30:00 <DocScrutinizer> than*
Jun 04 18:31:00 * DocScrutinizer ponders to finally set up SB on his centOS box
Jun 04 18:31:43 <DocScrutinizer> this way I don't need to run this monster at my own flat and local IT infra ;-P
Jun 04 18:32:38 <DocScrutinizer> alas this vbox has as little as 30GB storage, so I doubt SB will go easy there
Jun 04 18:53:22 <javispedro> opencv = sbox
Jun 04 18:53:23 <javispedro> but
Jun 04 18:53:30 <javispedro> I believe opencv is on extras already.
Jun 04 18:55:08 <DocScrutinizer> ls -l /media/mmc1/core-dumps |pastebinit --   -->http://pastebin.com/BbYDLah8
Jun 04 18:55:13 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Jun 04 18:56:31 <GAN900> autography.us.com
Jun 04 18:56:37 <GAN900> Guy just did a demo for me.
Jun 04 18:56:39 <GAN900> Awesome.
Jun 04 18:57:01 <GAN900> Signed ebooks.
Jun 04 18:57:30 * javispedro waits for e-Signed e-Books
Jun 04 18:59:05 * DocScrutinizer wants to kick asses at Logitech - the interim mouse can't click MMB without also emitting a scrollwheel-up :-(((
Jun 04 18:59:22 <DocScrutinizer> no I recall why I "binned" it
Jun 04 19:00:00 <GAN900> I miss the MX Revolution
Jun 04 19:00:13 <GAN900> That clutched scroll wheel was the greatest thing ever made
Jun 04 19:00:53 <DocScrutinizer> I damn fsckng have a disassembled MX rev just gere in front of me, switches are all going to act up
Jun 04 19:01:03 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
Jun 04 19:01:28 <licensed> it haves any good gps software for maemo? like ndrive, igo..
Jun 04 19:02:16 <DocScrutinizer> what's "GPS sw"? there's quite some nice navi/map and also a few mere GPS-reader
Jun 04 19:02:39 <DocScrutinizer> check out marble, mappero
Jun 04 19:02:57 <licensed> i like any with voice navigation.. i will to try these
Jun 04 19:02:58 <DocScrutinizer> heard columbus is nice ;-D
Jun 04 19:03:01 <licensed> thank you =D
Jun 04 19:03:17 <DocScrutinizer> mappero and marble both have voice navi now
Jun 04 19:03:41 <DocScrutinizer> marbe even has on-board route calculation
Jun 04 19:04:16 <Necc> and witch one of them functions fully offline?
Jun 04 19:04:28 <DocScrutinizer> marble
Jun 04 19:04:45 <Necc> hmmm i may try it out
Jun 04 19:05:05 <licensed> yes i need fully offline functions.. i will to try this
Jun 04 19:05:35 <DocScrutinizer> see Monav
Jun 04 19:06:08 <DocScrutinizer> "Marble Onboard NAVigation" ?
Jun 04 19:08:16 <DocScrutinizer> all those apps usually load map tiles dynamically from internet. You'll have to use the map-dl functions to "install" the map tiles you need during offline
Jun 04 19:09:23 <SpeedEvil> Also - note that if you're using openstreetmap - if you're downloading tiles from the server, pick the smallest area you can at the lowest resolution - the servers are on donated bandwidth.
Jun 04 19:13:01 <NIN101> Well, I hope some of you guys could tell me what at the hell this is. So, I'm sniffing right now phonet0, the GSM interface. Everyrtime I open the slide on my N900, some stuff is send to the GSM network. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8w2kmMXz I censored some stuff because I do not know what it means, so maybe you could use it to get some information about me :-) But it is always the same. So yes, this is send when I open the keyboard slide, b
Jun 04 19:13:01 <NIN101> ut not always: If you do it fast multiple times, it won't happen. You have to wait a little bit. However, it seams to be not only connected to the slide. It is send when the screen turns on, or off, but then it is 0100 instead of 020a. Probably nothing anyway, but interesting for me.
Jun 04 19:16:04 <SpeedEvil> NIN101: the signal sterngth of the cellphone changes singificantly.
Jun 04 19:16:14 <SpeedEvil> When you open the slide.
Jun 04 19:16:19 <SpeedEvil> The cellmo will report this
Jun 04 19:22:25 <NIN101> ok thx. Was also one of my assumptions, but anyway, couldn't it be used in theory by my provider to track a little bit of my activities(if and when am I using the phone or it is always just in my pocket)?
Jun 04 19:23:43 <SpeedEvil> The signal changes.
Jun 04 19:23:50 <SpeedEvil> It's not changing in a predictable way
Jun 04 19:24:03 <SpeedEvil> It changes at ohter times
Jun 04 19:24:20 <NIN101> hmm, true.
Jun 04 19:24:30 <trx> signal only matters to the tower afaik, it doesnt go further than that in the cell network
Jun 04 19:25:00 <trx> so they can't/won't be able to record that info
Jun 04 19:27:50 <DocScrutinizer> basically they can record all info, question is to which purpose
Jun 04 19:28:42 <DocScrutinizer> the old FAQ: "I want to use internet, but my provider shouldn't be able to notice when I do" ;-P
Jun 04 19:29:05 <trx> haha
Jun 04 19:29:11 <trx> yeah, good luck with that :P
Jun 04 19:29:32 <DocScrutinizer> "I want to do phonecalls, but my telco mustn't spy on me about when and to whom I call"
Jun 04 19:29:44 <trx> :D
Jun 04 19:32:23 <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: you know there's a wireshark plugin to dissect the ISI packets on phonet IF?
Jun 04 19:32:38 <DocScrutinizer> most of them at least
Jun 04 19:34:22 <NIN101> Sounds interesting, I will look into it. Thx.
Jun 04 19:34:28 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Jun 04 19:51:22 <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=isi-wireshark-plugin.git;a=summary mrmoku branch
Jun 04 19:51:43 <NIN101> hmm, i compiled this https://git.ring0.de/isi-wireshark-plugin/
Jun 04 19:52:38 <NIN101> ok the plugin you linked seams to have an SMS dissector, which the one I found does not have.
Jun 04 19:54:01 <DocScrutinizer> Jun 04 19:35:32 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: where's the most evolved ISI dissector plugin for wireshark?
Jun 04 19:54:03 <DocScrutinizer> Jun 04 19:41:49 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: the most evolved one probably is mine ;)
Jun 04 19:54:04 <DocScrutinizer> Jun 04 19:42:12 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=isi-wireshark-plugin.git;a=summary
Jun 04 19:54:06 <DocScrutinizer> Jun 04 19:42:15 <mrmoku> mrmoku branch
Jun 04 19:54:47 * RST38h moos evilly
Jun 04 19:55:18 <NIN101> ok. Then I will just compile mrmoku's plugin. Thx doc.
Jun 04 19:55:25 * DocScrutinizer feeds RST38h a corncob
Jun 04 19:55:34 <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: yw
Jun 04 21:15:16 <Venemo> hey
Jun 04 21:15:21 <pronto> hey
Jun 04 21:15:34 <Venemo> has the issue with the codecs package been resolved?
Jun 04 21:15:39 <pronto> no clue
Jun 04 21:16:01 <Venemo> I'm talking about the issue when the new version in devel failed to recognize/playback flac files
Jun 04 21:20:04 <bindi> humm
Jun 04 21:20:12 <bindi> I have extras-devel but can't find nitroid-installer
Jun 04 21:23:22 <bindi> user error
Jun 04 21:23:27 <bindi> nitdroid
Jun 04 21:23:29 <bindi> is hard to type lol
Jun 04 21:25:44 <Sicelo> why u want to install nitroid?
Jun 04 21:27:14 <bindi> why would I not?
Jun 04 21:28:36 <Sicelo> was just asking... btw, u notice topic?
Jun 04 21:29:13 <bindi> I do, why?
Jun 04 21:30:25 <Sicelo> u asking why the topic is like that?
Jun 04 21:30:36 <bindi> I am asking
Jun 04 21:30:41 <bindi> why are you asking me if I notice the topic
Jun 04 21:33:38 <Sicelo> it seemed to me that u wanted to install nitdroid
Jun 04 21:39:19 <bindi> lol
Jun 04 22:35:52 <cehteh> are the times when the alarm goes off for an appointment somewhere configureable? i really need 1.5 and 2 hours
Jun 04 23:20:00 <BCMM> is http://maemo.org/ is a bad mood?
Jun 04 23:20:05 <BCMM> s/is/in/
Jun 04 23:20:05 <infobot> BCMM meant: in http://maemo.org/ is a bad mood?
Jun 04 23:20:38 <BCMM> infobot: well, no i didn't. i was being pretty inaccurate, but a human would probably parse it correctly. thanks, though.
Jun 04 23:26:21 <FIQ|n900> I guess he just failed to parse an s/foo/bar/ like you wanted it? :P
Jun 04 23:33:50 <Lantizia> Lo can stuff compiled for arm run on armel or does it have to be compiled for armel?
Jun 04 23:34:03 <Lantizia> Got an old ipk package from a Sharp Zaurus I'm desperate to use on the n900
Jun 04 23:34:11 <Lantizia> (if possible)
Jun 04 23:36:04 <ds3> is OABI_COMPAT enabled in the N900 kernel?
Jun 04 23:40:09 <NIN101> no
Jun 04 23:40:53 <ds3> then zero chance
Jun 04 23:47:43 <BCMM> FIQ|n900: he parsed it correctly, even though i actually meant the other instance of is
Jun 05 00:15:07 <Macer> damn
Jun 05 00:15:20 <Macer> sure wish gftp worked a little better in maemo
Jun 05 00:57:00 <DocScrutinizer> wireshark -k -i <(ssh -l root IroN900 tshark -w - -i phonet0 )
Jun 05 00:57:51 <DocScrutinizer> http://gnutoo.homelinux.org/downloads/people/DocScrutinizer/isi.so
Jun 05 00:58:03 <DocScrutinizer> \o/
Jun 05 01:03:18 <DocScrutinizer> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/wireshark-ISI.jpg
Jun 05 01:04:59 <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: ^^^^^^
Jun 05 01:05:40 <DocScrutinizer> bbl
Jun 05 01:06:53 <NIN101> DocScrutinizer: I know, I already installed the plugin while you fighted against RPM or something :-)
Jun 05 01:07:24 <NIN101> *fought
Jun 05 01:21:46 <DocScrutinizer> anyway... http://maemo.cloud-7.de/wireshark1.4.4_ISI/
Jun 05 01:35:39 <Termana> good morning
Jun 05 01:38:59 <NIN101> gn8
Jun 05 01:40:09 <DocScrutinizer> bbl, burgerbreak
Jun 05 02:30:08 <hiemanshu> I may be blind, but I can't find the password for the VM Appliance
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