**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 14 02:59:57 2011 Jun 14 05:44:53 It's no wonder people bitch about power consumption spikes on Android Jun 14 05:45:09 as it's impossible to spot offenders without 3rd part software. Jun 14 05:45:23 * GAN900 notes Maemo has very little issue there. Jun 14 05:46:24 hehe Jun 14 05:48:40 I think people are usually somewhat well prepared for smartphone's apetite for power, even if they aren't prepared they will notice the difference sooner or later Jun 14 05:49:13 s/apetite/appetite/ Jun 14 05:49:13 psycho_oreos meant: I think people are usually somewhat well prepared for smartphone's appetite for power, even if they aren't prepared they will notice the difference sooner or later Jun 14 05:53:41 phones are gering verey hungy latly Jun 14 05:54:08 I wonder when someone will notice that and produce one that will last for a week or two Jun 14 05:55:13 * shamus is still rockign an old scholl nokia 2600 c with ti's week or so of standby Jun 14 05:56:22 i still carge it nightly out of habbit most of the time but i have gone a week betwen charges before Jun 14 05:58:11 the most I get is 4 days Jun 14 05:59:09 then agin i do not talk alor Jun 14 05:59:32 and do not use the data as wap sucks and ois pricyt as heck Jun 14 06:00:28 wap???!!!??? Jun 14 06:00:35 typo Jun 14 06:00:40 hehe Jun 14 06:00:41 that old scholl data thingy Jun 14 06:00:47 yeah I know what it is Jun 14 06:01:04 but what that has to do with a n900 that is a 3g capable device... Jun 14 06:01:40 was talking abotu my old 2600 c lol Jun 14 06:02:11 it's a bick but get the job done Jun 14 06:02:12 ahh Jun 14 06:02:28 I got a 5110 that the last time I used it still lasted 1w with the original battery Jun 14 06:02:37 when it was new it lasted like 2 weeks Jun 14 06:03:10 yep old phones last ages even bwith bluetooth Jun 14 06:03:29 that was pre bluetooth Jun 14 06:03:51 ahh Jun 14 06:04:22 what was the style that had that big antena on the top? Jun 14 06:06:02 yup Jun 14 06:06:33 had to dig in my old draw to look at wat moddle it was the old 5165 hehe Jun 14 06:07:09 that thing lasted weeks and was dan near indistructable Jun 14 06:08:19 I still have my 5110 Jun 14 06:08:36 with a new battery it would probably be a great fallback phone Jun 14 06:09:30 my 5165 final bitthe dust a few years back but i never pitched it i also had a 3595 Jun 14 06:10:09 my 3595 still works but it's star buttion bwas starting to ware out hehe Jun 14 06:12:27 well I actually managed to get 3 dud 5110s as well Jun 14 06:12:33 so I can always pull the keypads from them Jun 14 06:16:00 wonder what the future looks like for the n900 if there will be a n910 etc or if now that micsoft own nokia they will kill meamo off Jun 14 06:16:10 er mego Jun 14 06:17:40 blah blah blah Jun 14 06:17:54 fly to finland and snoop around helsinki offices or something Jun 14 06:20:36 shamus, according to nokia they plan on keeping meego around Jun 14 06:20:40 as a long term R&D project Jun 14 06:26:20 shamus: nokia killed maemo long time ago Jun 14 06:26:52 never even noticed has a n800 Jun 14 06:27:14 been runing diloblo comunity thingy with the rotation Jun 14 06:28:05 mer any closer to prim time? Jun 14 06:30:21 mer long gone Jun 14 06:30:44 more likely to have meego with cordia working Jun 14 06:33:09 very few updateds for Diablo apps almost as if the devs are startign to let it die out Jun 14 06:33:59 then aing it is an old platform one a very limited spec device Jun 14 06:34:33 Yes Jun 14 06:34:46 it shared its glory, have a look at 770 devices Jun 14 06:35:06 that 400mhz proc is slow Jun 14 06:35:30 or was is 400/600 Jun 14 06:36:41 N900 is 600MHz Jun 14 06:36:51 ok Jun 14 06:37:07 so the n810 was 400 max i thught it was higher Jun 14 06:37:24 N800 is 400 max but underclocked to 330 Jun 14 06:37:25 Was it OCable like the n900? Jun 14 06:37:51 the n800 was uped to 400 with os2008 Jun 14 06:38:11 nfi :) I don't own one Jun 14 06:38:32 770 = measly 252MHz Jun 14 06:38:40 o.0 Jun 14 06:38:49 252? Jun 14 06:38:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770 Jun 14 06:39:07 ouch Jun 14 06:39:11 N810 is natively 400MHz Jun 14 06:40:49 doesn't really matter either way. It's been quite long since I read any news about N8x0 OS being upgraded... or replaced. Jun 14 06:41:22 http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project is the most curent i have seen Jun 14 06:41:29 * gomiam checks Jun 14 06:42:00 This page was last modified 15:44, 28 November 2010 Jun 14 06:42:09 ironically there's still buyers buying N8x0 devices Jun 14 06:42:17 yep Jun 14 06:42:36 and theyt still sell them on amazon Jun 14 06:42:55 biggier screen, real kickstand Jun 14 06:43:21 and full sice sd card slot Jun 14 06:43:22 well and better keyboard Jun 14 06:43:26 psycho_oreos: well, the N8x0s are quite useful, IMO. It's a pity they have been basically kicked to the curb. Jun 14 06:43:39 the only problem is the RAM and CPU :P Jun 14 06:43:55 amen the ram and cpu and batary are the killers Jun 14 06:44:14 cehteh: RAM and CPU are _always_ problems sooner or later. But I can actually do quite a few things with my N8x0s Jun 14 06:44:23 (and yes, I have several;) Jun 14 06:44:47 hell at the very leat it's still handy as a ssh decive Jun 14 06:45:03 sure but the problems on the 810 is really sooner than later Jun 14 06:45:06 of course I don't think I'll ever get to edit video streams in real time, but I don't really care that much about video editing :D Jun 14 06:45:06 gomiam, despite the fact that N900 does kick N8x0 series in the butt in every other way except for the overall miniaturisation Jun 14 06:45:25 n900 could have more ram of course too .. but it works *way* better than the n810 Jun 14 06:46:26 i wish i had a n810 insted of the n800 as the lack of a built in keyboiard is very anoying Jun 14 06:46:30 some maemo device with 1ghz cpu and 1gb ram would be awesome :P Jun 14 06:46:43 psycho_oreos: (un)fortunately, I bought my n800 and then noticed Nokia's pattern of treating these tablets as dumb mobile phones. Sorry if I'm not interested in paying for more "dead" hardware :P Jun 14 06:46:50 ah the 810 had no keyboard .. i always forget the differences Jun 14 06:47:00 shamus: I have a Ubiquio BT keyboard and it is quite useful with my 800 Jun 14 06:47:12 nokia is a dead horse by now :P Jun 14 06:47:34 if anyone can do thing more wrong than wrong, then nokia Jun 14 06:47:49 cehteh: I wouldn't count them out yet, but they look down to me right now. Jun 14 06:48:02 kicking eveyone into the nuts ... including themself Jun 14 06:48:03 been looking for a nice bt keyboard but first i need to figure poiut why my battery is dieign so fast Jun 14 06:48:38 shamus: oh, perhaps it has reached its life end. Jun 14 06:48:50 gomiam, apart from seeing nokia hardly showing interest in the whole maemo community. You still have to admit that N900 is still a pretty nice device, a internet tablet with hacked debian shoehorned into it along with phone capability Jun 14 06:48:55 what apps/widgets do you have running? Jun 14 06:49:01 im lucky if i get 8h on standby Jun 14 06:49:07 you can drain the battery in less than 2 hours with no problems Jun 14 06:49:35 some widget running? rss, mail, ... or some instant messenger/skype? Jun 14 06:49:39 psycho_oreos: I think the n900 can be quite interesting, but there's that little problem with the USB connector... nah, I think I'll keep playing with my n8x0s for the time being. Jun 14 06:50:11 no widglits other the the clock stock and the calander thimgy squenic and the advanced hardwer power managment thingy Jun 14 06:50:20 gomiam, yeah that's a surmounting problem but you could have easily seen that was one of the potential sources of nokia losing interest :) lack of quality Jun 14 06:50:20 gomiam: I will say that the USB problem is fixed for most people... I've managed to drop mine hanging by the USB port several times without issue Jun 14 06:50:52 robbiethe1st: good to know. Still... a new laptop is higher on my priority list. Jun 14 06:50:54 oh and the procmon thimngy Jun 14 06:51:20 shamus: throw the advanced power away .. it doesnt work :P Jun 14 06:51:33 squenic is what? Jun 14 06:51:57 a typo Jun 14 06:51:58 gomiam, I really like N900 for its added phone capability on top of just being internet tablet :) N900 gets to be sold as phones and you can get them financed, unlike internet tablets back then :) Jun 14 06:52:00 and clock stock .. is there a clock widget? Jun 14 06:52:05 gomiam: Just so you know, my N900 has literally replaced my laptop for 99.5% of the time. I've got my desktop for games and coding and such; my n900 does great at providing a perfectly good web etc. experience. Jun 14 06:52:13 yea the clock widgit Jun 14 06:52:22 whats that? .. Jun 14 06:52:28 or just turn that off Jun 14 06:52:33 and the ability to just go open up a terminal and SSH into something, or use VIM whenever I need it... :P Jun 14 06:52:42 robbiethe1st: did Nokia manage to get WPA TTLS in the n900? Because that is one of my main gripes with N8x0 Jun 14 06:52:57 I... don't know. Jun 14 06:52:58 poorly written widgets which constantly draw on the screen are really bad for battery life Jun 14 06:53:05 robbiethe1st: I can do that with my n8x0s ;) Jun 14 06:53:14 Advanced Power is borked? Jun 14 06:53:31 well i wont say borked .. but it adds no value Jun 14 06:53:36 cehteh: true, true, the RSS scroller was hell until you disabled automatic scroller Jun 14 06:53:59 I dunno how fast it would be though; I had to bump mine up to ~1ghz to get the responsiveness I wanted, especially when loading half-a-dozen web windows at once..., Jun 14 06:54:03 cehteh: well, being able to quickly change USB mode, BT mode and a few other things... I find it quite useful :) Jun 14 06:54:08 the abuirty to toglree usbon the go form a menu is no valu? Jun 14 06:54:09 the rss widget also sucks battery .. you can reconfigure it to update less frequently Jun 14 06:54:16 dunno how useful it could be at 400mhz Jun 14 06:54:32 ah then we talk about something else Jun 14 06:54:41 yea Advanced Power is very usefull esplice the reboot lol Jun 14 06:54:54 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-power/ Jun 14 06:54:58 i meant the advanced power monitor which just adds a improved battery meter Jun 14 06:55:05 cehteh: I reconfigure it to _not_ update. I only need to see whether I have new entries :) Jun 14 06:55:38 well if his battery drains unusally fast he should figure out why Jun 14 06:55:42 powertop may help Jun 14 06:56:00 (over ssh while the device is closed, screen is off) Jun 14 06:56:07 could it be the sd cards? Jun 14 06:56:34 the cards alone rather not, but accessing them Jun 14 06:56:50 also some older (really old) sim cards draw much more power than modern ones Jun 14 06:57:02 seqetary is very batery frendly atleast should be Jun 14 06:57:18 i dont know that Jun 14 06:57:24 well install powertop and sshd Jun 14 06:57:33 powertop? Jun 14 06:57:53 monitors whats waking the cpu up Jun 14 06:58:19 ah Jun 14 06:58:39 where is it it's not in the downloads section Jun 14 06:58:51 extras-devel or something like that Jun 14 06:59:10 cehteh: any reason for installing sshd instead of dbclient and friends? Jun 14 06:59:31 or openssh Jun 14 06:59:40 sshd is openssh Jun 14 06:59:58 i never tried dropbear but i heared that its somewhat ugly and limited Jun 14 07:00:27 for myself i want a full sshd because i use it quite frequently ... sshfs, rsync and for all kinds of stuff Jun 14 07:00:36 cehteh: good point. Jun 14 07:00:44 I have never used sshfs though. Jun 14 07:01:00 actually, the only thing I miss is sftp, sometimes Jun 14 07:01:18 then again it still has scp Jun 14 07:01:46 sshfs is backed by sftp Jun 14 07:02:02 doesnt dropbear have even a simple sftp server? Jun 14 07:02:06 wee :P Jun 14 07:02:18 cehteh: not AFAIK Jun 14 07:02:43 so .. nogo for me :) .. i am happily wast little more space for much more functionality Jun 14 07:02:56 why is python still running Jun 14 07:03:13 shamus: something using it? Jun 14 07:03:13 shamus: mmm... ps -efa ? Jun 14 07:03:33 or see what is at /proc? Jun 14 07:03:34 * cehteh is quite unhappy that so much things are written in python .. resource wise it sucks :/ Jun 14 07:03:43 cehteh: does it? Jun 14 07:03:46 yes Jun 14 07:04:22 python is relative slow and burns a lot cpu cycles Jun 14 07:04:32 cehteh: I was thinking about using python for one of my long term projects so I didn't have to worry too much about porting. Jun 14 07:04:39 no jit compiler (psyco is dead right?) Jun 14 07:04:54 well you can prototype it in python if you really want Jun 14 07:05:05 i like lua more and otherwise would do things in C Jun 14 07:05:07 hum Jun 14 07:05:23 (or start in lua and do add C modules for heavy lifting task) Jun 14 07:05:35 you can do the same in python when you like and know it Jun 14 07:05:50 cehteh: mmm... if I'm supposed to prototype it in Python I'd rather use C++ which I already have programming experience with ;) Jun 14 07:05:51 but python will never be as small and elegant as lua :P Jun 14 07:06:06 or that Jun 14 07:06:35 well i dont know what your project is after Jun 14 07:07:05 if its something relative small with no high performance demands and sleeping most of the time and doesnt need much datastructures in memory, then python is fine :P Jun 14 07:07:18 bah, "nothing too complicated", just a turn+rule based table game translation Jun 14 07:07:33 what should i do with what the ps spits out? Jun 14 07:07:34 (conclusion: not for anything real :P) Jun 14 07:07:36 (think Warhammer, the table game) Jun 14 07:08:00 frack 1224 root 25072 RW python /usr/lib/advanced-power-monitor/AdvancedPowerM Jun 14 07:08:16 years ago i proposed python as nice beginner language and for rapid development and prototyping Jun 14 07:08:24 but i am more and more unimpressed Jun 14 07:08:48 shamus: see .. i saied deinstall that advanced power monitor :P Jun 14 07:09:08 but it's so handy Jun 14 07:09:11 haha Jun 14 07:09:33 well deinstall it just for a test if its the cause of your battery drain Jun 14 07:09:44 maybe not today ... if you disabled something else already Jun 14 07:09:58 was draing beforvtho Jun 14 07:10:01 and better figure out what really sucks the battery than playing try'n'error Jun 14 07:10:08 bene draing since i got it Jun 14 07:10:15 prolly the battery monitor is not that bad Jun 14 07:10:59 you can also install DocScrutinizers battery monitoring script Jun 14 07:11:21 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ Jun 14 07:11:33 bq27200.sh i2cget Jun 14 07:11:47 put both in /root/ Jun 14 07:11:50 cd /root Jun 14 07:11:53 (as root) Jun 14 07:12:01 sh bq27200.sh Jun 14 07:12:04 wtf Jun 14 07:12:12 .. this may need the power kernel .. dunno Jun 14 07:12:13 there's still scripts that require console/root access? Jun 14 07:12:21 DocScrutinizer, shame on thee. Jun 14 07:12:41 well i dont know if it is from DocScrutinizer .. dont blame him he suggested that to me Jun 14 07:12:52 and thats rather low level stuff :) Jun 14 07:13:00 so? Jun 14 07:13:05 Low level == crappy to use? Jun 14 07:13:16 i believe the script was written by shadowjk Jun 14 07:13:16 make a frontend instead complaining Jun 14 07:13:40 shamus: nice flood :P Jun 14 07:15:19 sorry Jun 14 07:15:21 atleast it was not in local Jun 14 07:16:59 crashanddie, it does direct access to the hardware. Such things require root privs Jun 14 07:18:26 If you don't like it, there's the battery kernel module in power-kernel, but you must take care to make sure it only gets loaded after bme, and then go find the values in /sys/ and punch some numbers on a calculator to get meaningful numbers Jun 14 07:18:48 I don't mind the fact it requires root so much Jun 14 07:19:03 Heck, root exists for a reason, only ubuntufags run around screaming "NOOOOO USE SUDO INSTEAD OF SU" Jun 14 07:19:18 cehteh: bq27200.sh doesn't need PK Jun 14 07:19:27 ok Jun 14 07:19:46 I just find it highly stupid that this channel recommends people to download an arbitrary script, and run it as root, is all. Jun 14 07:19:47 hahahaha Jun 14 07:20:12 cehteh: it's basically from me, originally. Though ShadowJK preferred to rewrite my original version so it doesn't need bash anymore Jun 14 07:20:14 crashanddie: It all becomes a matter of trust. Do you trust DocScrutinizer? Jun 14 07:20:23 Or any other random person? Jun 14 07:20:31 It is a good channel, all scripts suggested here are good for you! Jun 14 07:20:46 robbiethe1st, that's completely besides the point Jun 14 07:21:01 crashanddie: what is the alternative? Jun 14 07:21:04 Doc is obviously a foreign agent and a menace to the mankind. Jun 14 07:21:17 the alternative? Put the stupid .sh in a .deb and put it in extras. Jun 14 07:21:18 run it as user so it doesn't work? Jun 14 07:21:21 Besides, he hates Linux geeks. This alone should be a reason to be afraid of him. Jun 14 07:21:25 crashanddie, there's a reason that I, the author, only recommend it to people after checking their unix/linux skill level, and then I walk them through it :-) Jun 14 07:21:32 crashanddie: isnt that the same thing ? Jun 14 07:21:33 crashanddie: well .. anyone should consider that on himself .. and a script as root makes no much difference to any other installable gui app Jun 14 07:21:37 crashanddie: No, it's not. In that case, you're trusting the extras repo. Jun 14 07:21:38 except less direct Jun 14 07:21:49 since security on the device is so much flawed Jun 14 07:21:51 wait, wait, wait. Jun 14 07:22:01 I can't make a deb on n900 Jun 14 07:22:05 :) Jun 14 07:22:20 am I being yelled at in this channel because as an op, I recommend people to not give out arbitrary links to arbitrary scripts? Jun 14 07:22:29 seriously, WHAT THE FUCK? Jun 14 07:22:47 ShadowJK: Um, you'll want the Python deb creator Jun 14 07:22:54 the what Jun 14 07:22:58 crashanddie: hahaha Jun 14 07:23:12 well your point was "trust" Jun 14 07:23:12 ShadowJK: I forget where I found it, but it takes Python(or other non-compilable script sources) and makes a .deb package for you Jun 14 07:23:16 works on the n900 Jun 14 07:23:33 "py2deb" Jun 14 07:23:33 crashanddie, hey did you see the massive warnings when installing i2c-tools someone made? :) Jun 14 07:23:38 debs from extras do the same thing only in the background.. but fair enough point Jun 14 07:23:39 hell, if you're so damn concerned, then why don't you include i2cget to sudoers? Jun 14 07:23:47 robbiethe1st, and yes, I trust extras infinitely more than any other website providing scripts/debs for Maemo. There is a reason why we went on a witch-hunt for other repositories, because we had people breaking their device every other week. Jun 14 07:24:14 Well now people break their device with extras-devel every other week :) Jun 14 07:24:15 crashanddie: extras isn't what it used to be Jun 14 07:24:15 DocScrutinizer, again, it has nothing to do with root. Jun 14 07:24:24 so you self appointed as guardians of users??? Jun 14 07:24:26 Macer, probably not, but then neither is Maemo. Jun 14 07:24:35 ShadowJK: isnt that what backupmenu is for? Jun 14 07:24:36 ShadowJK: http://wiki.maemo.org/Py2deb Jun 14 07:24:39 (And no, I'd never consider my script for inclusion to extras proper) Jun 14 07:25:04 ShadowJK, why not? Isn't there a category or something in which it would fit? Jun 14 07:25:11 crashanddie: I fail to see what's the point of all this noise here anyway Jun 14 07:25:37 DocScrutinizer: it is fun! people arguing about maemo repo flaws :) Jun 14 07:25:41 like the good old days Jun 14 07:25:42 hey, I just asked why there still were scripts that required manual download + root. Jun 14 07:25:53 All the other trolling fags are to blame, not me. Jun 14 07:26:03 crashanddie, for the same reason I wouldn't have power-kernel in extras. Too much hacking, not enough testing, not enough thinking about possible side effects, not polished enough. Jun 14 07:26:06 Oh wait: . Jun 14 07:26:08 crashanddie: you can always add it to extras yourself ;) Jun 14 07:26:09 crashanddie: because nobody is required to download them at all Jun 14 07:26:41 ShadowJK, glad we think alike. Jun 14 07:26:43 Moorning, all Jun 14 07:26:49 crashanddie: why isn't gdb in extras yet? Jun 14 07:27:05 The heck do I know? Jun 14 07:27:08 DocScrutinizer: not enough votes Jun 14 07:27:14 ghaha Jun 14 07:27:26 or... not enough people to vote :) Jun 14 07:27:27 And anyway, gdb would be useless on Maemo, there's no debuginfo packages... Jun 14 07:27:39 pffff Jun 14 07:27:45 crashanddie: probably because the sdk totally blows Jun 14 07:27:53 aye Jun 14 07:28:07 I started packaging to RPM recently (at work) Jun 14 07:28:15 that is what cssu should focus on :) Jun 14 07:28:23 an actual working sdk Jun 14 07:28:50 Macer: Feel free Jun 14 07:28:50 so the silly answer to the even more silly Q "why are there still scripts that need root" is: "because root is there for a reason" Jun 14 07:28:57 crashanddie, that script is something I wrote on N900 in my spare time because I was interested in measuring power use and battery performance on n900. I put it on a website, and gave the URL to people who heard about it through word of mouth only. It took about a year and now it seems people are spreading the url all over. I guess i could make a script on my webserver to randomize the url each week, but I suspect that might just make people setup mirrors Jun 14 07:29:03 Jaffa: i dont have the skills to do it Jun 14 07:29:04 of randomly modified/outdated versions :) Jun 14 07:29:30 hahahahaha Jun 14 07:29:38 ShadowJK, sure, w/e. Jun 14 07:29:38 ShadowJK: that would be awesome Jun 14 07:29:49 fun network issues Jun 14 07:29:49 ShadowJK, though, the random url bit would make me smile. Jun 14 07:29:54 <64MAAN0HO> hey.. Anyone got a good idea how to charge a HTC Desire S from a old 6V motorcycle? the car-charger for HTC needs 9,5-12v input.. the motorcycle outputs about 6-8 volts... Jun 14 07:30:03 ShadowJK: use tor Jun 14 07:30:16 woops, wonder how I got that nick.. :) Jun 14 07:30:23 haj_, use a transformer? Jun 14 07:30:36 ShadowJK: just ignore crashanddie ... the script is useful and if anyone executes it its his own decision Jun 14 07:30:37 this all got very silly Jun 14 07:31:02 what the hell did I say against the script for fuck's sake? Jun 14 07:31:03 Nothing. Jun 14 07:31:04 flailingmonkey: didn't it? Jun 14 07:31:11 So stop putting words in my mouth. Jun 14 07:31:11 ShadowJK: you may rather insert a rm -rf / there ... that would stop people spreading it :) Jun 14 07:31:15 * Macer eats some more popcorn Jun 14 07:31:27 rm/rf * lol Jun 14 07:31:53 shamus: btw i dont know if that works on the n800 Jun 14 07:32:23 quite likely it has a different battery chip Jun 14 07:32:28 * DocScrutinizer glares at the banhammer, some trolls seem around Jun 14 07:32:55 haj_, though, a charger (or rather, the battery) needs quite steady power, and if you connect it to a small bike's battery, you might have strong power fluctuations that will fry your battery / charger. Jun 14 07:33:47 i have this problem from my bike charger .. have to experiment witl lowering the charge current still Jun 14 07:33:49 haj, so you'll need to regulate the power decently, which requires a bit of know how (that I seem to have lost in the past few years) Jun 14 07:34:37 haj: You'd need to pick up some sort of boost circuit. You might have luck finding a 6V-12V adaptor, which you can then plug a car charger into. Jun 14 07:34:40 also isent the n800 sapose to have a more powerfull charger then the 350ma one Jun 14 07:34:42 you can use the supplied power converter (CA-146C) for regulating DC within some ranges .. but it gets quite hot Jun 14 07:35:08 haj: though I got NFC about the hw you mentioned, here's a general advice: Do *not* use any but the most reliable usb carcharger plugs on any bike. I've seen more than a few devices got fried that way, usually when engaging the starter Jun 14 07:35:30 What kind of bike are we talking about? Jun 14 07:35:37 All recent bikes I've seen deliver a steady 12v Jun 14 07:35:41 yeah some limitation might be highly useful :) Jun 14 07:36:01 I've installed a cigarette-lighter plug on my bike Jun 14 07:36:02 crashanddie: until you engage starter Jun 14 07:36:37 ""150V spike? oops - *shrug*"" Jun 14 07:36:41 DocScrutinizer, no, I use a transistor/relay to only provide power when the light is lit. Jun 14 07:36:53 (which only starts *after* the engine has started) Jun 14 07:36:59 DocScrutinizer: Ok, then put a NC relay between the battery and the device, hok the coil to the starter switch. Jun 14 07:37:11 Or crash's method Jun 14 07:37:16 woops.. I thought I asked that question on the android channel :) Jun 14 07:37:27 LOL Jun 14 07:37:36 hok the coil huh? Jun 14 07:37:37 DocScrutinizer: I'm using Nokias original atm.. It worked with the N900 but it doens't work with the HTC.. Jun 14 07:38:12 that may relate to different USB charger signalling methods used by HTC Jun 14 07:38:40 Nokia using the D+/- short spec Jun 14 07:38:50 Macer: hook Jun 14 07:39:05 Macer: As in, hook up the two wires from the coil... Jun 14 07:39:18 HTC might use R_on_ID or voltagelevels_at_D+_D- Jun 14 07:41:50 Good grief. Someone on TMO is using a Wikipedia edit to say the Harmattan device is about to be launched Jun 14 07:42:25 "but it's wikipedia! it must be true!" Jun 14 07:42:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MeeGo&diff=434179748&oldid=prev Jun 14 07:42:47 DocScrutinizer: the N900 did charge _very_ slow at 6V.. but it looks like the HTC just uses power when connected. Jun 14 07:43:17 n900 at 6V? Jun 14 07:43:49 n900 takes only 5V regulated .. 6V is within design limits but *not* specified Jun 14 07:43:50 ??? Jun 14 07:44:05 DocScrutinizer: the power on the bike is pretty stable at 6-8V, but I guess I can't just connect it to a 10Ah supply ;) Jun 14 07:44:09 not even within design limits I'd guess Jun 14 07:44:14 cehteh: car charger Jun 14 07:44:25 Jaffa: bitter, bitter punks Jun 14 07:44:37 haj: what got 10Ah to do with it? Jun 14 07:44:50 DocScrutinizer: last time we talked about it someone (ShadowJK?) figured the limits out Jun 14 07:44:57 DocScrutinizer: the charging circuit on the motorcycle has 10Ah output Jun 14 07:45:12 haj: better stop now .. you have no clue :P Jun 14 07:45:20 cehteh: that's maybe abs max of the charger chip Jun 14 07:45:31 cehteh: 6V motorcycle with a regular carcharger -> phone Jun 14 07:45:48 haj: 10Ah is a capacity metric Jun 14 07:45:50 the abs max was higher iirc .. 6V wont kill it he saied Jun 14 07:46:09 but anyway i would *not* hook 6V on my n900 Jun 14 07:46:24 me neither, but he said "charger" Jun 14 07:46:37 he also saied 6V and 10Ah :) Jun 14 07:46:44 there *are* chargers specified 6..24V Jun 14 07:46:50 yeah :-P Jun 14 07:47:14 are there? I can't find them Jun 14 07:47:43 maybe there are two classes: 6..12 and 12..24 Jun 14 07:48:30 haj: the n900 should feed by 5V regulated ... maybe little more possibly down to 4V (when it is a usb charger and not usb data) and should be rated up to 1.3A (while the n900 usually draws less) Jun 14 07:48:58 mmm... a universal charger I have has 12..19 or something like that _and_ a USB output. OTOH... isn't there a lighter plug charger for the n900? Jun 14 07:49:04 if you charger can only provide less current its ok if it doesnt overheat/shutdown Jun 14 07:49:19 gomiam: Thats what I was using.. ;) Jun 14 07:49:34 but connection any non regulated voltage or higher than 5V may eventually fry the device Jun 14 07:49:39 haj: good enough. Those things are usually rated to use at least 12V. Jun 14 07:49:58 and the usb output has to adhere the usb charging specification .. many do not Jun 14 07:50:29 (that is you see very slow or no charging at all) Jun 14 08:01:49 * DocScrutinizer suggests one of those: http://hardwarestore24.de/Universal-KFZ-Netzteil-12V-auf-220V-Titan-TTI-HW75-75W?jtl=roboter then use your normal wallcharger that came with whatever crap hw you got ;-) Jun 14 08:03:37 also the most fry-safe approach, as many of those: http://www.handy-punkt.com/doppel-fach-zweifach-kfzladeadapter-p-10114.html?ref=3 don't protect your device when there are spikes on 12V car power, like they can be found especially on scooters and bikes when engaging starter Jun 14 08:04:12 but also when switching off main lights, when honking, whatever Jun 14 08:04:39 as mentioned above, it's rather critical and I've seen several fatalities especiallly on scooters Jun 14 08:05:05 won't happen with wallcharger connected to 220V converter Jun 14 08:10:54 DocScrutinizer: but none of those accept a input of 6-8V :) Jun 14 08:12:09 actually those are hard to find. If you really consider that you'll be able to get 6V->220V as well Jun 14 08:12:13 DocScrutinizer: I have had a voltmeter on the machine while riding.. and it has never been above 8V... it's between 5.8V (with low battery and lights on) and 8V.. :) Jun 14 08:13:37 haj: is it a oscilloscope? a peak voltage detector with hold? or is it a dirt simple analog dial that doesn't tell anything beyond what you could tell by brightness of your light as well? Jun 14 08:13:51 DocScrutinizer: I guess it should be possible to find a drawing of a charger circuit and modify it for 6V and then just make it... Jun 14 08:14:50 haj: for *me* that's quite possible. I doubt it's in reach of your skills though (no offense intended) Jun 14 08:14:52 DocScrutinizer: it's a digital thing... but I don't see where the spikes should come from.. it does have a battery that should keep it stable, and it doesn't have electric starter or anything like that.. the power comes from a simple dynamo. Jun 14 08:15:40 oh, so it's no motorized bike? Jun 14 08:15:53 * cehteh wonders if a electronic fuse and a zehner would be ok for protection .. and maybe protection diodes Jun 14 08:15:53 sounds like a bicycle Jun 14 08:16:10 http://gallery.nathue.dk/tingsager/dnepr/2011-06-03/.cache/800x479-IMAG0023.jpg Jun 14 08:16:14 i dont really trust cheap plastic chinese hardware :) Jun 14 08:16:27 cehteh: better that Jun 14 08:16:29 nice Jun 14 08:16:48 hi all Jun 14 08:16:52 ruskie: oh.. yah you should recognise that thing ;) Jun 14 08:17:09 i am not electronics engineer .. but so far i most often get the things working i needed Jun 14 08:17:14 haj: believe me, you *got* spikes on such a critter's power Jun 14 08:17:57 cehteh: hi there , how is it the wether in karlsruhe? Jun 14 08:18:03 yeah looks cool .. i'd like it .. but that doesnt mean its power is well regulated :P Jun 14 08:18:17 hi cloudyLights :) ... Jun 14 08:18:21 I saw a headline two days ago about the nokia CTO leaving Jun 14 08:18:25 haj, I should? Jun 14 08:18:31 those things have basically no power regulation at all Jun 14 08:18:31 reasonable weather here, bit cloudy but better than too hot Jun 14 08:18:37 DocScrutinizer: what if I just do this and use the Nokia charger? http://circuitdiagram.net/6v-to-12v-dc-voltage-converter.html Jun 14 08:18:54 yeah, good plan Jun 14 08:18:56 are there any news I missed regarding the N9 coming out? Jun 14 08:19:02 ruskie: well.. it does have CCCP printed on it several places... Jun 14 08:19:11 haj, well I'm not russian ;) Jun 14 08:19:24 ruskie: whats with the ruskie then? ;) Jun 14 08:19:24 btw, there is a wootoff now. see www.woot.com Jun 14 08:19:28 you may point Treibholz to your bike picture, he'll like that Jun 14 08:19:33 haj, I played to much red alert ;) Jun 14 08:19:36 if you can buy stuff in the usa and send them home Jun 14 08:19:54 he is doing sidecar races with historic bikes with his father :) Jun 14 08:20:31 DocScrutinizer: "1A max." .. should be fine.. :) Jun 14 08:21:42 DocScrutinizer: this electronic fuses, what kind of curve to they have, do they regulate the current or do they break until voltage basically disappears? Jun 14 08:22:23 cehteh: which ones? Jun 14 08:22:32 polyfuse? Jun 14 08:22:44 cehteh: fuses? LOL, I just remembered the first rule about fuses and electronics: "Any electronic circuit protected by a fuse will burn to protect it" Jun 14 08:23:04 gomiam: that'S basically true Jun 14 08:23:34 yeah i saied earlier to put a zehner there as donor circruit :) Jun 14 08:23:48 a reasonable plan Jun 14 08:24:04 you should use a polyfuse to protect the zener Jun 14 08:24:12 yes Jun 14 08:24:41 do that on input side of your 12->5 Jun 14 08:24:54 also use a choke and a 100nF Jun 14 08:25:06 and you're probably safe Jun 14 08:25:08 when you have 12V car/bike then you can put a lot (2) protection diodes there without the loss getting nasty Jun 14 08:25:25 and after that protection you can put the regulator Jun 14 08:25:38 err, loss? Jun 14 08:25:42 which loss? Jun 14 08:25:47 voltage drop at diodes :) Jun 14 08:25:56 not really loss Jun 14 08:26:13 you'd use a Zener from +12V to GND and it's normally open-circuit Jun 14 08:26:30 the Zener should be like 15V then Jun 14 08:26:36 yes Jun 14 08:26:47 and not usually cause any loss whatsoever Jun 14 08:27:04 that also protects against polarity reversal when you put a fuse in front Jun 14 08:27:10 yep Jun 14 08:27:23 if not you have a nice heater :P Jun 14 08:27:39 hehe, more like a cracker Jun 14 08:27:54 tantal condensators are the best crackers i know Jun 14 08:27:57 gomiam's rule will apply Jun 14 08:28:44 not too loud, but they popp serveral times and there are no much hazardous substances ... Jun 14 08:29:12 blowing big elkos is a bit nasty Jun 14 08:29:17 my suggestion: use a fat SiFerrit choke in series with 12V-in, then a Zener15V to GND, in parallel with a 4700uF and a 100nF Jun 14 08:29:32 put a polyfuse in series with the choke Jun 14 08:30:03 <_trine> a zener diode on its own may not protect you from reverse voltage because it will not start to conduct until more than 0.6 of a volt Jun 14 08:30:10 yes ferrite chokes are rarely wrong and usually one has such laying around or can scrap some old power supply or whatever Jun 14 08:31:06 yup, also dimmers are nice for chokes of that size Jun 14 08:32:44 _trine: correct, but no real problem here Jun 14 08:33:37 <_trine> would the equipment survive 0.6 of a reverse volt Jun 14 08:33:48 erm... would using some kind of photovoltaic thingy as charger make any sense? Jun 14 08:33:50 <_trine> some stuff will not Jun 14 08:33:57 nope Jun 14 08:34:03 surges with fast risetime would be more of an issue, because of Zeners being slow, but we got the 100nF and the choke for that Jun 14 08:34:23 haj: all that applies to you and your 6->12V as well Jun 14 08:34:47 though you should use a 10V zener rather than a 15V Jun 14 08:34:49 I ask because you are going to such extremes to protect the electronics that it might be easier just to uncouple it completely. Jun 14 08:34:57 and since it is a bike.... Jun 14 08:35:06 <_trine> if you connected a flat battery it could be damaging Jun 14 08:36:44 <_trine> if you could allow for a volt drop of the 0.6v then you could have a diode in series as well to protect against reverse polarity Jun 14 08:38:00 <_trine> if you had a full wave bridge rectifier in circuit you could connect it up anyway you wanted to Jun 14 08:38:37 http://www.stec-electronic.de/product_thumb.php?img=images/entstoerfilter_web_small.gif&w=122&h=95 Jun 14 08:38:59 ok, let's cut through all the chase. Just put an inverter to generate 220V and then connect your usual charger XD Jun 14 08:39:10 much simpler, much easier. Jun 14 08:39:27 http://www.luedeke-elektronic.de/products/KFZ-Zubehoer/Wandler-Entstoerfilter/KFZ-Entstoerfilter-3Ampere-12V.html Jun 14 08:39:48 gomiam: that's where we started ;-P Jun 14 08:39:58 DocScrutinizer: oops, sorry, didn't read that. Jun 14 08:40:28 [2011-06-14 10:00:41] * DocScrutinizer suggests one of those: http://hardwarestore24.de/Universal-KFZ-Netzteil-12V-auf-220V-Titan-TTI-HW75-75W?jtl=roboter then use your normal wallcharger that came with whatever crap hw you got ;-) Jun 14 08:42:49 cehteh, bq27200 doesn't work on N800. Jun 14 08:43:36 ok, now that's the one: http://www.luedeke-elektronic.de/products/Elektronik-Module/Ueberspannungfilter/Ueberspannungsschutz-fuer-KFZ-12V-Kemo-M168.html Jun 14 08:44:11 errr wut? who's ging to use bq27200.sh on N800? Jun 14 08:44:16 going* Jun 14 08:44:44 what is bq27200.sh ? Jun 14 08:44:45 :P Jun 14 08:46:26 morning Jun 14 08:46:37 (link above) combine with http://www.maxxcount.de/maxxcount/cms/products/Entstörfilter-12V--5A-.aspx and you're safe Jun 14 08:46:43 lardman: moo Jun 14 08:46:56 DocScrutinizer: noted. Jun 14 08:47:00 hi Doc Jun 14 08:47:03 gomiam: a script reading out the values of battery gauge chip Jun 14 08:47:14 ah, ok Jun 14 08:52:05 http://www.khronos.org/files/opensl-es-1-1-quick-reference.pdf Jun 14 08:52:12 Ahhahahahaha Jun 14 08:52:27 Helo lardman Jun 14 08:53:34 hi RST38h Jun 14 08:54:12 hello lardman Jun 14 08:54:28 say lardman , did your a look at waze? Jun 14 08:54:32 * RST38h now starts suspecting that the so called Kronos Group is a politically correct word for a bedlam Jun 14 08:54:35 and the 310$ bounty? Jun 14 08:54:45 cloudyLights: hi, no, I've been a bit busy I'm afraid Jun 14 08:55:04 not bothered about the money, but it does look like quite a cool app Jun 14 08:55:22 it is Jun 14 08:55:26 I also thought that someone had already produced a version that would run on Linux? Jun 14 08:56:13 there was iirc someone with a link to something on code.google.com or something like that Jun 14 08:56:17 there is a guy that started writing a qt frontend using the web api Jun 14 08:56:51 waze is based on roadmap which was originally written for open embedded Jun 14 08:57:33 the interesting part of it for me was the use of data reported by devices to map speeds along routes Jun 14 08:57:58 but really, lots of other stuff on, and I'm moving house tomorrow, so no internet for a while I imagine Jun 14 08:58:09 odd that we need to port it now to linux, as it all started there Jun 14 08:58:24 yes, this program can be used anywhere in the world Jun 14 08:58:50 as long as you got that user base , it stays up to date Jun 14 08:59:36 btw lardman, do you know how to package a program for maemo 5? Jun 14 08:59:52 I wrote this small app and still didnt package it Jun 14 09:00:15 must I have a running scratchbox to package? Jun 14 09:00:23 cloudyLights: yes I do, but I'm waiting for some visitors to turn up (at 10am, 1 minute from now) so probably won't have time to tell you Jun 14 09:00:27 iirc there was a wiki page Jun 14 09:00:47 cloudyLights: how did you compile the app, or is it python? Jun 14 09:00:52 is pypackager still working? Jun 14 09:00:59 python! Jun 14 09:01:11 you'd need to ask e.g. khertan about that, I've never packaged a Python app Jun 14 09:01:14 was developped on my N900 Jun 14 09:01:27 ~seen khertan Jun 14 09:01:30 khertan <~khertan@AAmiens-553-1-165-155.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 14h 36m 7s ago, saying: 'not so bad ... dev palm pré : 277,227409 euros'. Jun 14 10:02:03 * Arpa-MST is away (Arpa Systems) Jun 14 10:10:43 Hi, what should I use for sound output on n900 in python Qt4? Phonon or QSound? I need simple sound effect playback, nothing fancy Jun 14 10:12:55 QSound and Phonon are deprecated, use QMediaPlayer Jun 14 10:13:06 part of QtMobility Jun 14 10:13:28 Thank you Jun 14 10:15:41 * ShadowJK wonders if anyone has compared bme values to pnatd:AT+CBC? values Jun 14 10:40:06 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/14/nokia_apple/ Jun 14 10:40:49 after reflashing to PR1.3 and reinstalling subversion, "svn" crashes, every time. Is there a known solution to that? Jun 14 10:43:25 ruskie: My theory: Nokia were desperate for some cash following the results forecast revision Jun 14 10:43:34 Jaffa, yup Jun 14 10:43:43 agreed on that Jun 14 10:45:25 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/14/metro_bank_email_snafu/ <-- lol Jun 14 10:49:57 MohammadAG: are the pyside packages for multimediakit only in extras devel? Jun 14 10:50:12 or even PyQt ones Jun 14 10:51:26 most probably, since Qt Mobility 1.2 is in devel Jun 14 10:51:29 edheldil: dependencies are automatically promoted AFAIK Jun 14 10:51:42 hey guys Jun 14 10:51:47 but if some dependency is blocked from promotion, there is nothing we can do :( Jun 14 10:52:25 i have a problem with wifi networks showing up when they arnt there, how would one remove them from the list? Jun 14 10:55:37 FAM and apt-get use different list of repos? Jun 14 10:56:31 yes, I'm not sure why fapman's dev decided to do thaat Jun 14 10:56:48 KDE has a high trigger limit for auto-repeat apparently Jun 14 11:00:13 HELO MohammadAG Jun 14 11:00:57 EHLO RST38h Server Ready Jun 14 11:01:07 250 Nice to meet you Jun 14 11:01:46 LHLO Who uses this protocol anyway? Jun 14 11:02:18 HELL-O RST38h Jun 14 11:04:50 Hello Jun 14 11:05:05 everyone Jun 14 11:06:27 I am facing a problem in running binaries on my N900. It shows error line 1: syntax error: "&" unexpected (expecting ")"). Can anyone help me ? Jun 14 11:06:47 hello. Jun 14 11:07:24 hello Jun 14 11:08:06 http://pastie.org/pastes/2065982/text Jun 14 11:08:17 there is clearly missing a closing parenthesis somewhere Jun 14 11:08:23 on line 1 Jun 14 11:08:44 i cant seem to remove the lock code at boot after flashing the emmc and the rootfs Jun 14 11:08:48 any suggestions ? Jun 14 11:09:29 there's a default lock code, IIRC Jun 14 11:09:36 I thiok it was 123556 or something like that Jun 14 11:09:45 and there's a t.m.o thread about it Jun 14 11:09:50 can't remember anymore since I've changed mine long ago Jun 14 11:09:59 12345 Jun 14 11:10:37 doesnt work Jun 14 11:12:40 what package do I have to install to get QMediaPlayer in pyside? python-pyside.qtmultimedia seems a bit ... minimalistic Jun 14 11:13:31 I just tried 12345 on my phone where I never changed the code - worked. Jun 14 11:13:58 it has been changed on mine Jun 14 11:14:11 @Gyjf , I am not able to get . I mean iwa s able to successfully compile the .c file , but when i try to run the binary generated on my maemo it shows that error Jun 14 11:14:12 but the thing is after flashing the emmc it should go back to 12345 Jun 14 11:14:15 lizardo: Well, if something's blocked for promotion it's for a reason, but a discussion/revisit on maemo-developers wouldn't hurt. Jun 14 11:14:19 and shouldnt be enabled at boot by defualt Jun 14 11:17:08 ShadowJK: (at+cbc) not yet. What do you expect? Jun 14 11:18:13 user0: it definitely does NOT go back to default Jun 14 11:18:29 user0: it shouldn't get asked for anyway, on bootup Jun 14 11:19:33 user0: at least that's what smart devels say about it - for obvious reasons nobody has ever really tested it, except those who reflashed and thus recovered, there've been a few afaik Jun 14 11:20:21 DocScrutinizer : did you check the link i pasted ? Jun 14 11:20:37 err the one I answered yesterday? Jun 14 11:20:48 or has there been a new one meanwhile? Jun 14 11:20:57 http://pastie.org/pastes/2065982/text Jun 14 11:22:46 are you sure your VANILLA image is the recent one? Jun 14 11:23:31 RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin looks odd Jun 14 11:24:24 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin is what I'm using Jun 14 11:24:34 :S Jun 14 11:25:10 see? it's really simple if you look closer ;-) Jun 14 11:25:59 that has to be the problem Jun 14 11:26:07 sure, what else Jun 14 11:26:33 your flashing seems to work, though also looking a tad strange. might be caused by wrong image though Jun 14 11:27:11 31s for flashing eMMC feels about right Jun 14 11:28:30 esp the report looks ok: >>Image(s) flashed successfully in 31.171 s (7736 kB/s)! Jun 14 11:30:03 .2010.13-2. came with dunno PR1.0.1 or 1.1 or sth. There has to be a reason Nokia published a new eMMC image Jun 14 11:42:34 edheldil: better asking on #pyside , but QMediaPlayer is part of qtmotiliby, so you need one of the pyside-mobility.* packages Jun 14 11:43:18 edheldil: I mean, pyside-qtmobility.* Jun 14 11:45:27 http://pastie.org/2066123 Jun 14 11:47:22 I really need help with that . Can anyone help me with this Jun 14 11:51:10 i need some random IMEI Jun 14 11:51:36 the one i have on the phone isnt working with nokia's site Jun 14 11:53:15 it should Jun 14 11:53:32 you did not include the / right and any other such random chars? Jun 14 11:53:52 no Jun 14 11:57:34 user0: yu're sure you got no fake N900? ;-P Jun 14 11:57:45 lockcode set, wrong IMEI Jun 14 11:57:52 tztztz Jun 14 11:58:23 user0: see PM Jun 14 12:00:07 thx Jun 14 12:00:20 i used http://nokia.tgbus.com/UploadFiles_6632/201003/20100313133610251.jpg Jun 14 12:02:02 downloading RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin atm Jun 14 12:02:03 hmm, looks good Jun 14 12:02:15 this too Jun 14 12:02:51 what, google searched for: N900; imei? :) Jun 14 12:03:25 I'm unsure, maybe that's his own Jun 14 12:03:29 that didn't work Jun 14 12:04:58 awesome: http://www.usp-forum.de/nokia-n900-forum/53627-imei-n900-ndern.html >:-((( Jun 14 12:05:51 found a working imei code Jun 14 12:05:56 lol, tested it and it works Jun 14 12:06:41 Doc: whadoesitsay? Jun 14 12:10:14 DocScrutinizer, lol @ link, some poor guy got screwed over it seems Jun 14 12:11:03 haha @ last thread on that post Jun 14 12:11:16 ~seen khertan Jun 14 12:11:28 khertan <~khertan@AAmiens-553-1-165-155.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 17h 46m 4s ago, saying: 'not so bad ... dev palm pré : 277,227409 euros'. Jun 14 12:11:45 RST38h: "friend my bought stollen N900 - how change IMEI is possible no?" Jun 14 12:13:20 fools in that forum just told him to piss off. I'd ask him for the current IMEI so I "can calculate changecode for you" Jun 14 12:13:48 Doc: meh Jun 14 12:14:44 might be a troll as well Jun 14 12:16:21 some of the early Openmko Freerunner went out with IMEI=000000000000 ;-P Jun 14 12:16:44 haha Jun 14 12:16:45 prototypes though Jun 14 12:17:17 dunno if we ever bothered to set them correctly Jun 14 12:17:41 Why would OpenMoko need an IMEI? Jun 14 12:17:51 why not? Jun 14 12:17:56 Can't easily call or receive calls to it, so why IMEI? Jun 14 12:18:00 it's GSM specs Jun 14 12:19:04 RST38h: I used a FR for daily phone for ~7 months, other do since almost 2 years now, some maybe longer Jun 14 12:19:21 Heroes! Jun 14 12:19:24 meh Jun 14 12:20:15 Doc: Seen the OpenSL quick reference? ;) Jun 14 12:20:43 nope, looked to errrr hoaxy Jun 14 12:20:55 see above Jun 14 12:21:07 crazy shit Jun 14 12:24:36 indeed Jun 14 12:24:54 good morning Jun 14 12:25:02 morning Venemo_N900 Jun 14 12:26:32 hey DocScrutinizer :) Jun 14 12:26:41 I've just finished an exam Jun 14 12:26:55 I'm hoping it succeeds Jun 14 12:28:28 :-) Jun 14 12:28:54 is anyone else having problems with the "Extras" repos? Jun 14 12:30:43 DocScrutinizer, there were a lot about the Intel 8085 and its friends Jun 14 12:33:22 DocScrutinizer, amazing how similar that old piece o' crap is to current hardware Jun 14 12:52:15 can anyone pls help me with sb-menu? Jun 14 12:52:25 sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL Jun 14 12:52:25 sb-conf: No such target: FREMANTLE_ARMEL Jun 14 12:52:34 this is a brand new install Jun 14 12:52:42 of scratchbox Jun 14 13:01:21 cloudyLights, how did you install scratchbox? Jun 14 13:03:33 I used the instructions at http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Installation_of_x86-64_Debian_based_distributions Jun 14 13:03:58 so I ran sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh -F -u $USER -s /scratchbox Jun 14 13:05:02 MohammadAG: it unfortunately looks like there's no python QMediaPlayer on maemo due to some package/library conflict Jun 14 13:05:40 or at least not packaged one Jun 14 13:08:00 cloudyLights, so what targets are there? Jun 14 13:08:09 Venemo_N900: am I suppose to do anything after running the install? Jun 14 13:08:31 I run sb-menu Jun 14 13:08:45 then enter setup Jun 14 13:08:57 I see only NEW Jun 14 13:09:06 what should I do? Jun 14 13:09:21 Hey, anybody had problems with skype lately? My N900 can't log into the skype network for about a week Jun 14 13:10:15 cloudyLights, hmmm Jun 14 13:10:41 cloudyLights, well, I just ran the installer script without any options and it worked fine Jun 14 13:11:08 cloudyLights, I used the GUI installer from forum nokia Jun 14 13:11:38 I didnt Jun 14 13:12:56 cloudyLights, why don't you try that Jun 14 13:13:39 can I run the gui install after I run the script install? Jun 14 13:13:53 cloudyLights, it's worth a try Jun 14 13:14:24 cloudyLights, otherwise you could always set up your targets manually, but that can be tiresome Jun 14 13:17:08 Currently Scratcbox can only run in 32 bit i386 architecture. Jun 14 13:17:10 :-( Jun 14 13:18:17 how to setup the targes? Jun 14 13:19:01 DocScrutinizer didnt work out Jun 14 13:19:39 user0: now it starts to get starnge Jun 14 13:19:44 scratchbox runs fine on x64 Jun 14 13:20:03 cloudyLights, SB can run on x64 if you disable the vdso Jun 14 13:20:42 Hello ! Jun 14 13:21:24 cloudyLights, try the gui installer first Jun 14 13:22:20 I suggest otherwise Jun 14 13:22:32 use the scripted installer, at least it can resume downloads Jun 14 13:24:20 MohammadAG, he already did and it didn't install any targets for him Jun 14 13:24:24 ok, I tried the script Jun 14 13:24:33 the two scripts? Jun 14 13:24:36 how to add the missing tragets? Jun 14 13:24:50 there are two scripts to run, I'm sure you only ran one Jun 14 13:25:29 let me see Jun 14 13:30:20 right MohammadAG Jun 14 13:30:30 It wasnt clear in the wiki Jun 14 13:30:33 i flashed this thing too many times Jun 14 13:31:44 after the 64bit section there is a link to the 32bit installl Jun 14 13:31:47 MohammadAG : any suggestions? Jun 14 13:31:57 any way to find the lock code without access to the device Jun 14 13:32:11 any way to remove it other than flashing the device? Jun 14 13:33:13 user0, trying all possible code Jun 14 13:33:20 in the 32bit install the two scripts appear Jun 14 13:33:31 as I saw the command I allready run I skipped it Jun 14 13:33:46 should have understand I still need to run the second command Jun 14 13:33:59 user0, strings /dev/mtd1 Jun 14 13:34:00 khertan: hi Jun 14 13:34:05 find a way to do that, and you have your code Jun 14 13:34:13 khertan: are you the guy that wrote pypackager? Jun 14 13:34:20 it s me Jun 14 13:34:24 can you help me package a python app? Jun 14 13:34:47 depends, did you plan to made binary package ? Jun 14 13:35:02 or just create package for autobuilder ? Jun 14 13:35:28 am... Jun 14 13:35:37 I got three .py files Jun 14 13:35:47 as if it s just for autobuilder i suggest you to use sdist_maemo ... a distutils extension to build package Jun 14 13:35:58 so I dont need a autobuilder - right? Jun 14 13:36:12 i mean did you plan to upload it to extra-devel ? Jun 14 13:36:27 MohammadAG : possible without having any app running ? Jun 14 13:37:00 khertan: I may want to share it using extra-devel Jun 14 13:37:14 but first I wanted to send it to other ppl for QA Jun 14 13:37:20 user0, you just need shell access to the device Jun 14 13:37:28 whether it's through ssh, another OS Jun 14 13:37:45 cloudyLights, let s go for pypackager so Jun 14 13:38:05 khertan: I got confused about packaging, read too many advice Jun 14 13:38:08 cloudyLights, did you have already create the scripts to use it ? Jun 14 13:38:24 cloudyLights, yep every dev has his own method to create package :) Jun 14 13:38:35 it s can be confusing when you begin Jun 14 13:39:47 I got all my files in a directory Jun 14 13:40:12 I then created usr/lib/hildon-desktop and put the frontend there Jun 14 13:40:14 MohammadAG : is that even possible ? Jun 14 13:40:33 MohammadAG: I suggest to help user0 to get his flashing straight. he tried for >24h to flash an obsolete eMMC image. I'd guess if it still doesn't work then there's probably another ooopsie yet Jun 14 13:40:50 I mean, I used /path/to/my/dir as if it was the N900 rootfs Jun 14 13:41:02 eMMC doesn't do shit Jun 14 13:41:05 flash the COMBINED image Jun 14 13:41:07 and made the directories in it and put the files there Jun 14 13:41:23 MohammadAG: I thought it could do shit, for ~ Jun 14 13:41:29 how to take that directory and create a deb from it? Jun 14 13:41:33 DocScrutinizer, gconf is stored on /var Jun 14 13:41:34 i've flashed both many times now Jun 14 13:41:36 /var isn't on ~ Jun 14 13:41:53 no it's possibly on eMMC though Jun 14 13:41:57 no Jun 14 13:42:02 uhuh Jun 14 13:42:03 very sure it's on / Jun 14 13:42:07 check Jun 14 13:42:08 khertan: pypackager appears as os2008 Jun 14 13:42:11 cloudyLights, did you have read the howto ? http://khertan.net/articles/maemo/pypackager_howto ? Jun 14 13:42:11 I'm sure Jun 14 13:42:11 o_o Jun 14 13:42:13 you'll be amazed Jun 14 13:42:18 so I didnt know if I can use it in maemo5 Jun 14 13:42:24 cloudyLights, it s available for all Maemo OS :) Jun 14 13:42:25 so how do i get shell access atm ? Jun 14 13:42:37 are you sure you're flashing it right? Jun 14 13:42:40 parts of /var are on eMMC afaik Jun 14 13:42:43 cause I'm having doubts it's your PIN code Jun 14 13:42:44 yes Jun 14 13:42:50 gconf isn't DocScrutinizer Jun 14 13:42:56 khertan: actually that url was down a few days ago Jun 14 13:43:00 that's why widgets lose their positions Jun 14 13:43:08 cloudyLights, it s just that i'm tired to update Maemo.org/Download and see it overwritten by older informations each time i upload a new package Jun 14 13:43:12 cloudyLights, ? really ? Jun 14 13:43:21 well whatever, how can his particular device ask for lock code while nobody else's does? Jun 14 13:43:35 he's not flashing it right Jun 14 13:43:37 cloudyLights, i didn't notice that my website was down Jun 14 13:43:47 can I run pypackager withour scratchbox? Jun 14 13:44:09 cloudyLights, yep ... you can run it on device Jun 14 13:44:10 so there's no use in talking him thru yet a wilder adventure ;-) Jun 14 13:44:27 cloudyLights, i made it create package in the train without scratchbox Jun 14 13:44:39 good Jun 14 13:44:40 MohammadAG : no sim Jun 14 13:44:51 try flashing the COMBINED image only Jun 14 13:45:08 basically put all your python file in a folder Jun 14 13:45:25 MohammadAG: please have a look at the pastie he posted Jun 14 13:45:30 and in the parent folder write the script, put the .desktop, icon and service file Jun 14 13:45:43 which one? Jun 14 13:45:47 modify a bit the script to add dependancies, and change description Jun 14 13:45:54 backscroll Jun 14 13:45:57 cloudyLights, and then python script.py Jun 14 13:46:29 * DocScrutinizer needs a break, a looong break. and... Jun 14 13:46:32 time for 12648430 ☕ Jun 14 13:46:33 http://pastie.org/pastes/2066640/text Jun 14 13:47:10 this is another one Jun 14 13:47:13 khertan: thanks, I will try this at home Jun 14 13:47:38 oh so it did flash... Jun 14 13:47:39 this one is using the latest emmc image Jun 14 13:47:48 well, only suggestion is to crack the code somehow Jun 14 13:48:17 cloudyLights, what your app does ? Jun 14 13:48:20 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd <-- try this Jun 14 13:48:48 but i dont have access to the shell Jun 14 13:49:05 see the link above Jun 14 13:49:12 its in some text file just not in plain text Jun 14 13:49:23 MohammadAG: useless effort, not even I can use that shit Jun 14 13:49:34 DocScrutinizer, why, it's easy as piss Jun 14 13:49:42 user0: your COMBINED flashing aborted after flashing CMT Jun 14 13:49:57 doesn't matter, his rootfs got flashed Jun 14 13:50:08 user0: known problem with some US versions. Use global Jun 14 13:50:20 MohammadAG: hahaha Jun 14 13:50:33 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/rescueinitrd/vmlinuz-2.6.33.3-11.2-n900 Jun 14 13:50:39 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/rescueinitrd/initrd.img-rescue-2.6.33.3-11.2-n900 Jun 14 13:50:49 thas what im using Jun 14 13:51:06 sudo flasher-3.5 -k vmlinuz-2.6.33.3-11.2-n900 -n initrd.img-rescue-2.6.33.3-11.2-n900-l -b"rootdelay=1 root=/dev/ram0" Jun 14 13:51:18 then WHAT? Jun 14 13:51:24 drop the sudo, I forgot you're on windows Jun 14 13:51:38 press T, and strings /dev/mtd1 Jun 14 13:51:43 i finally got a job offer that isn't more than 20 miles away Jun 14 13:51:46 are you going to talk him thru getting mtd1? Jun 14 13:51:53 then using john? Jun 14 13:51:58 c'mon Jun 14 13:51:59 yeah Jun 14 13:52:03 BS Jun 14 13:52:06 why not Jun 14 13:52:15 look Jun 14 13:52:15 because FLASHING FAILED Jun 14 13:52:28 s/FLASHING FAILED/WINDOWS SUCKS Jun 14 13:52:39 evidently, look at end of http://pastie.org/pastes/2066640/text Jun 14 13:52:48 flash the COMBINED image only, no eMMC Jun 14 13:53:11 DocScrutinizer, looks fine to me Jun 14 13:53:15 wtf, eMMC worked, but he flashed US vesion which is known to sometmes fail at cmt Jun 14 13:53:36 CMT flashed successfully Jun 14 13:53:50 again, I don't see anything wrong there Jun 14 13:53:59 im using the global version Jun 14 13:54:11 so where's the last line saying "flashing complete, flashed xxxMB (456kb/s)" Jun 14 13:54:30 probably he didn't copy it, since you can see he doesn't have the line from the cmd prompt Jun 14 13:54:37 aaah yes, sorry, that's actually mr0 Jun 14 13:54:56 * DocScrutinizer is gone. have fun boys :-) Jun 14 13:55:05 Sending and flashing rootfs image (185728 kB)... Jun 14 13:55:05 100% (185728 of 0 kB, avg. 185728 kB/s) Jun 14 13:55:05 Finishing flashing... done Jun 14 13:55:09 is all that matters Jun 14 13:55:52 look closer what you pasted :-P Jun 14 13:56:04 division by 0 is possible on windows :p Jun 14 13:56:09 windows sucks, you're right Jun 14 13:56:15 bah Jun 14 13:56:30 user0: toldya DON'T USE WINDOWS Jun 14 13:56:53 im at work , this is what i have access to Jun 14 13:56:56 winxp! Jun 14 13:57:01 flashed 185MB/s HAHAHAHA Jun 14 13:57:23 this shit is flashing NUTTIN Jun 14 13:59:17 khertan; switch the profile when a meeting is taking place and return to general Jun 14 13:59:30 honestly you need to flash COMBINED properly anyway as you already flashed eMMC. Once you done that you don't need to go thru the rescue-initrd hoops MohammadAG has for you Jun 14 14:00:27 properly? Jun 14 14:00:29 I also seek a program to wake me up when the bus is near the station I should get off at Jun 14 14:00:37 may have to write it too Jun 14 14:00:39 all that i did was from the wiki Jun 14 14:00:47 user0: your windows is cheating on you Jun 14 14:00:50 and its seems to work perfectly Jun 14 14:01:04 no, the numbers are all shit Jun 14 14:01:36 100% od 0kb flashed, at a speed next to speed-of-light - NONSENSE Jun 14 14:01:52 I want the speed of light in kb/s actually Jun 14 14:01:55 would be interesting Jun 14 14:02:24 this is the second pc i use to flash it Jun 14 14:02:27 first win7 Jun 14 14:02:31 and now winxp Jun 14 14:02:39 win7 is known to fail Jun 14 14:02:53 and winxp isn't much better honestly Jun 14 14:03:42 yesterday you seem to have succeeded but you flashed some wrong eMMC which spoiled things for you some weird way Jun 14 14:04:18 use your arch box and do flashing there, as it starts to get exhausting Jun 14 14:04:55 and again, please read Jun 14 14:04:58 ~flash Jun 14 14:04:58 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jun 14 14:05:09 I updated it especially for you ;-) Jun 14 14:05:29 last night Jun 14 14:05:38 cya bbl Jun 14 14:07:40 can anyone help me with this? http://i.imgur.com/5730I.jpg thx Jun 14 14:11:43 MohammadAG: speed of light at baud metrics is $(X=$random)bytes flashed in 0 seconds, speed $X/s Jun 14 14:14:55 obviously usb_send(whatever, *usb_dev) returns erratically in no time without doing anything, but doesn't return any error, on windows Jun 14 14:16:58 it's completely irrelevant if it's called with bytes, 512byte chunks, or the whole image to flash. it can get called 5million times and still the whole thing takes <1s. So you get that diagnostic output, and no rootfs or whatever flashed Jun 14 14:19:15 actually the function call seems to return with 0(flashed bytes count) instead of a negative number to indicate it failed Jun 14 14:19:41 these zeroes summ up to "of 0kB" Jun 14 14:20:08 whatever Jun 14 14:20:17 user0: use linux to flash! Jun 14 14:33:54 i will tonight Jun 14 14:34:12 too many customers infront of me atm Jun 14 14:34:18 im out Jun 14 16:17:07 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/14/making_hacking_tools_should_be_criminal_act_say_eu_ministers/ <-- erm Jun 14 16:26:28 * Arpa-MST is away (Arpa Systems) Jun 14 16:46:09 hi all :) Jun 14 17:00:28 telling_bullshit_political_statements_schould_be_ciminal_act_say_eu_hacker Jun 14 17:00:29 http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=tippexperience&annotation_id=annotation_820885&feature=iv Jun 14 17:02:09 DocScrutinizer i got a kernel built and working but had to use the meego obs to do it. Jun 14 17:03:13 mhm, nice. Why didn't SB work? Jun 14 17:03:34 sb? Jun 14 17:03:42 scratchbox Jun 14 17:04:18 oh, dont' know i kept haveing problems with the phone rebooting even in r&d mode, but the meego kernel works just fine. Jun 14 17:05:01 hmm Jun 14 17:05:11 do you knbow how to use pacmd to set the volume? i've tried everything i can think of and can't get it to go up. Jun 14 17:05:17 <_trine> can someone compile this for me on the N900 http://code.google.com/p/pyrit/ Jun 14 17:05:48 <_trine> I only need pyrit and not the other stuff on there Jun 14 17:05:51 Thordasin: sorry Jun 14 17:06:52 _trine: 500 Jun 14 17:07:13 <_trine> not sure what 500 is Jun 14 17:07:57 me neither Jun 14 17:08:20 general "didn't work" errorcode Jun 14 17:08:27 <_trine> oh I see Jun 14 17:08:30 <_trine> you tried Jun 14 17:08:35 <_trine> svn checkout http://pyrit.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ pyrit_svn Jun 14 17:09:03 i' Jun 14 17:09:12 <_trine> ./setup.py Jun 14 17:09:26 i'll have my build enviroment on the n90 working later today, if you haven't gotten some to compile it let me know then. Jun 14 17:09:47 <_trine> Thordasin, thanks much appreciated Jun 14 17:10:02 <_trine> I have compiled it all for my PC Jun 14 17:10:38 can you email me a link so i won't forget :) rlumley(at)telmaron.com Jun 14 17:10:53 <_trine> yes Jun 14 17:11:18 well catch you all alter have a dr. apointment now :) Jun 14 17:15:38 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, ypu need to move to the trunk folder Jun 14 17:15:45 <_trine> then compile Jun 14 17:16:37 <_trine> well,, trunk/pyrit Jun 14 17:18:51 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, python setup.py build Jun 14 17:19:13 <_trine> then if you were on a PC you would next do Jun 14 17:19:18 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, python setup.py install Jun 14 17:19:44 <_trine> but i only want the build for the N900 Jun 14 17:19:51 fine, alas I fail to know whats pyrit Jun 14 17:20:17 <_trine> http://code.google.com/p/pyrit/wiki/Installation Jun 14 17:20:46 nm Jun 14 17:20:50 <_trine> I need it to check the goodness of the WPA 4Way handshake Jun 14 17:28:05 back Jun 14 17:28:25 i just pulled out my laptop and flashed it using arch linux Jun 14 17:29:23 you guys think i should also try flashing both rootfs and emmc from linux? Jun 14 17:34:09 jacekowski: yo Jun 14 17:35:24 jacekowski: (do you have any plan /what would you consider a reasonable 'bounty') to add gamepad (see /dev/input/js0) support to drnoksnes? Jun 14 17:35:50 jacekowski: also, are you responsible for ines as well? Jun 14 17:35:59 DocScrutinizer: hello Jun 14 17:36:09 DocScrutinizer: I have a hardware question Jun 14 17:36:49 in this image: Jun 14 17:37:12 http://www.klc.fi/fin/images/264805.gif Jun 14 17:37:19 which is the gps antenna? Jun 14 17:37:26 do you know? Jun 14 17:37:41 (dont say the one tuned to 2.4ghz pls!~) Jun 14 17:38:22 also, I think soldering a peice of wire to it improve gps reception, do you? Jun 14 17:40:29 ok Jun 14 17:40:33 i just flashed both using linux Jun 14 17:40:48 still asks for a lock code Jun 14 17:40:50 damn it! Jun 14 17:41:12 same problem Jun 14 17:41:15 lock code is not un doable by flash Jun 14 17:41:30 you need to extract the shadow file then crack it offline Jun 14 17:41:41 i need to get shell access first Jun 14 17:42:00 you installed backupmenu right? Jun 14 17:42:13 no Jun 14 17:42:16 lols Jun 14 17:42:35 well you gone done it now! Jun 14 17:42:56 there is still hope though Jun 14 17:43:04 i got the device yesterday, its a used device Jun 14 17:43:07 wasnt asking for a code Jun 14 17:43:22 aaah, stolen goods huh? Jun 14 17:43:51 after flashing it . its started asking for one Jun 14 17:44:17 really? Jun 14 17:44:20 thats wierd Jun 14 17:44:30 ... Jun 14 17:44:31 well to get rootfs access Jun 14 17:44:39 you need to boot meego rescue initrd Jun 14 17:44:44 enable usb mode Jun 14 17:45:00 then you can access the device like a usb drive and grab the shadow file Jun 14 17:45:03 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Jun 14 17:45:17 is how to boot into initrd and enable usb mode Jun 14 17:45:35 on the tmo forum you will find details on how to crack the password Jun 14 17:45:41 do you understand? Jun 14 17:47:14 yes Jun 14 17:47:21 i'll give it a try Jun 14 17:48:19 nop__: please recheck Jun 14 17:49:58 there are some experts claiming gconf key that decides wheter to ask for lockcode or not gets erased by flashing Jun 14 17:50:47 nop__: btw that's most like BS to access CAL via USB mode Jun 14 17:51:24 ooh what? there's no shadow file Jun 14 17:51:37 there's no problem with root password either Jun 14 17:51:54 DocScrutinizer, no solution ? Jun 14 17:52:23 i was thinking getting access to the recovery terminal was a good idea Jun 14 17:52:25 no, you got to either flash rootfs and thus delete the gconf key Jun 14 17:52:50 then i could just get the code and convert it to plain test Jun 14 17:53:08 or you go the route of rescue-initrd and john-the-ripper but it's way more complicated than everybody tries to make you believe Jun 14 17:53:23 or you get to a shop that has a pgenix flasher Jun 14 17:53:27 phenix Jun 14 17:54:15 ehh Jun 14 17:54:22 are we sure that phone is really flashing? Jun 14 17:54:41 actually your device acts weird anyway, as usually after flashing lock code should be DISabled, not suddenly get ENabled Jun 14 17:54:47 http://theoatmeal.com/comics/smartphone Jun 14 17:54:53 I bet it's not, jacekowski Jun 14 17:55:33 NOLO might have gotten a ditch Jun 14 17:55:44 hmm Jun 14 17:55:48 thinking about that Jun 14 17:55:50 that's possible Jun 14 17:56:01 if you mess up cal Jun 14 17:56:09 I can't understand why it seems so incredibly hard to flash that thing Jun 14 17:56:22 yup Jun 14 17:56:26 its easy as fuck Jun 14 17:56:43 i've done it so many times now and it still doesnt help Jun 14 17:56:45 a few times on win7 Jun 14 17:56:49 a few times on win7 Jun 14 17:56:59 and a few minutes ago on arch linux Jun 14 17:57:18 can you paste exact messages you get when flashing Jun 14 17:57:49 hmm, can you try coldflashing maybe Jun 14 17:58:11 i wish i could Jun 14 17:58:20 i pasted some a few minutes ago from this pc Jun 14 17:58:37 arch is running offline Jun 14 17:59:24 we'd be interested in the arch diagnostic output though Jun 14 17:59:37 particularly Jun 14 17:59:51 ok wait Jun 14 18:00:51 jacekowski: indeed, if you want to ruin N900, don't nuke NOLO, better nuke CAL Jun 14 18:01:29 device been used. Might as well have a OC scorch Jun 14 18:02:52 which actually would explain all the strange behaviour and refusal to flash properly Jun 14 18:03:10 well, let's wait and see... Jun 14 18:03:54 jacekowski: is there a way to flash CAL with flasher-3.5 (plus other tools like initrd)? Jun 14 18:05:34 http://pastie.org/pastes/2067931/text Jun 14 18:06:59 hmm now this looks ok I'd think Jun 14 18:07:14 MohammadAG: jacekowski: ? Jun 14 18:09:28 DocScrutinizer: did you see my query up above? Jun 14 18:09:34 jacekowski: did you also see? Jun 14 18:09:42 nop__: yes Jun 14 18:09:53 GPS ant is next to USB Jun 14 18:10:10 can't locate the plastic part you showed me Jun 14 18:11:43 ok, do you think the theory is sound? Jun 14 18:12:05 which one Jun 14 18:13:35 the possibility of soldering a length of wire to the gps antenna would make it perform better Jun 14 18:14:57 for sure not Jun 14 18:15:10 GHz antenna design is mere voodoo Jun 14 18:15:30 and I mean voodoo Jun 14 18:16:03 so, maybe yes ;-P odds are it'll spoil everything though Jun 14 18:16:46 but gps antenna does not transmit, merely receive Jun 14 18:16:50 odds are you can't even reverse it as you'll never get away the solder again Jun 14 18:17:40 nop__: anybody here that thought different probably should rethink why he got the N900 ;-P Jun 14 18:17:58 jacekowski: did you read my enquiry above? Jun 14 18:18:41 * DocScrutinizer thinks back to GPS ant design and evaluation for GTA03, and moans loudly Jun 14 18:19:33 after all it's been gps ant in the end that finally killed the project Jun 14 18:20:48 though indirectly - but that's another story Jun 14 18:21:05 DocScrutinizer: http://www.noeman.org/gsm/hardware-firmware/64357-hardware-hack-improve-n95-gps-reception.html Jun 14 18:21:12 can you explain this guy then? Jun 14 18:24:08 nop__: Sometimes wrapping duct tape round your house will improve it structurally. Jun 14 18:25:04 sure, easily: noob with no fsckng clue ("longer antenna means better reception..." PFFF says who??) doing some mod and of course is amazed and excited then. Placebo tuning does the rest Jun 14 18:26:17 nop__: believe me, you can't "tune" the GPS of N900, it's damn awesome Jun 14 18:26:44 I get a fix even indoors Jun 14 18:26:58 after some 10 to 20s Jun 14 18:28:05 only "tuning" for N900 GPS is to insert a working SIM, so the chip gets assistance via GSM Jun 14 18:29:53 otherwise it needs to scan for *ALL* sats x *ALL* vectors, and get the efem and alm data then via 30bd or what's it, from sats, which will take 12min for interference free reception Jun 14 18:30:34 ask SpeedEvil - he's the damn GPS wizard Jun 14 18:31:06 It's not quite that bad - you can get a fairly rapid fix in 60s or so if you have a very good signal. Jun 14 18:31:20 SpeedEvil: I exaggerated, on purpose Jun 14 18:31:38 Sure. Jun 14 18:31:54 * SpeedEvil needs a door-lock thingy on his n900 Jun 14 18:32:06 I keep taking phone outi nto garden, and forgetting keys Jun 14 18:32:16 hehehe Jun 14 18:32:38 get a door unlocker connected to your lan Jun 14 18:32:39 ergo: get a wlan doorlock Jun 14 18:32:41 SpeedEvil, Jun 14 18:32:47 After reflashing to PR1.3 and reinstalling subversion, "svn" crashes, every time. Anyone seen that? Any workaround/solution? Jun 14 18:32:49 just phone girlfriend to let you in Jun 14 18:32:49 DocScrutinizer: sucka Jun 14 18:33:12 lcuk: I could do with one of those, too. Jun 14 18:33:31 * SpeedEvil wonders again if http://www.nokiadirect.co.uk/Pay-Monthly/sc521/p26078.htm is real. Jun 14 18:34:11 lcuk: you're always scaring geeky in a non-geek way Jun 14 18:34:13 Seems odd they're still pushing the n900 - from the 'the way forward is windows' perspective. Not so much if it's simply bottom line Jun 14 18:34:26 geek^2 or sth Jun 14 18:34:32 25.53/mo - 24 mo contract Jun 14 18:35:23 errr, N900 for lease? Jun 14 18:35:31 yes Jun 14 18:35:39 cool shit Jun 14 18:35:44 I got an ad for it last week. Jun 14 18:35:53 I was assuming it was a typo, but I got another today Jun 14 18:37:19 guys, for questions about installation/configuring of the maemo 5 sdk, is this channel the correct or the #maemo-devel is the one? Jun 14 18:38:07 could somebody who wouldn't mind test that weird lockcode crap please? set lockcode to 9999, enable, then reflash rootfs and verify lockcode's gone Jun 14 18:38:58 we all see how to test without actually doing the flashing part Jun 14 18:39:12 using rescue initrd , th n900 restarts for no reason Jun 14 18:39:32 nothing is changed on the device as stated on the site Jun 14 18:39:38 I'd however be interested to know for sure the rootfs image has gconf key unset Jun 14 18:40:15 user0: please elaborate Jun 14 18:40:54 if i use it as USB storage mode for example it lasts for a minute or so Jun 14 18:40:57 then the device restarts Jun 14 18:41:15 :nod: Jun 14 18:41:17 same thing if as recovery terminal Jun 14 18:41:33 normal ? Jun 14 18:42:21 I'd suggest you give back device to seller and tell him to keep his OC cooked-black crap Jun 14 18:43:07 OC? Jun 14 18:43:07 your such a cynic doc Jun 14 18:43:16 OC==OVERCLOCKED Jun 14 18:43:17 random erratic behaviour of many differen kinds... Jun 14 18:43:31 PEBCAK Jun 14 18:43:45 nope Jun 14 18:43:52 anyway Jun 14 18:44:08 problem exists in HW irreversible Jun 14 18:44:12 does anyone know where location widget caches it's map data? Jun 14 18:44:15 it was working perfectly before i flashed it] Jun 14 18:44:46 perfectly is relative Jun 14 18:45:14 god is dead Jun 14 18:45:16 and we have killed him Jun 14 18:45:21 seems you got a lemon Jun 14 18:45:56 using rescue initrd , th n900 restarts for no reason Jun 14 18:46:26 yeah, initrd should tickle WD, no? Jun 14 18:46:28 the initrd doesn't ping the watchdog, you need flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd,no-ext-wd,no-lifeguard-reset Jun 14 18:46:38 WUT? Jun 14 18:46:46 what a crap is THIS???? Jun 14 18:46:55 complain on #meego-arm Jun 14 18:47:02 THIS Jun 14 18:47:03 IS Jun 14 18:47:10 NOKIARRRRGGGG!!!!! Jun 14 18:49:12 this is definitely the most tepco design for any rescue tool I ever had the joy to witness. Couldn't they tickle the friggin wd? Jun 14 18:49:49 user0: wait for next surprise: no / Jun 14 18:50:21 though MohammadAG found the ueber-hack Jun 14 18:50:31 ctrl-i for tab-expansion Jun 14 18:51:01 I'm worried about lack of "strings" actually, but let's not worry about that Jun 14 18:51:07 yet Jun 14 18:51:12 HAHAHAHAHA Jun 14 18:51:18 arg sdk vm image keeps blacking out the screen Jun 14 18:51:19 muhahaha Jun 14 18:51:22 rotfl Jun 14 18:51:43 toldya - text adventure dungeon Jun 14 18:52:13 actually cat works fine Jun 14 18:52:35 Nokia-N900:~# cat /dev/mtd1 | grep -A 13 lock_code | tail -1 Jun 14 18:52:35 IfXQzaonQUfag Jun 14 18:52:41 crack my code, /me doesn't care Jun 14 18:53:13 MohammadAG: I get the feeling you were easily willing to talk user0 into this adventure, and now you see where all this will end ;-P are you already hoping he'll give up befor you do? Jun 14 18:54:04 actually don't bother cracking it, it's FU expanded and in T9 :p Jun 14 18:56:21 so Jun 14 18:56:33 i could probably get my hands on TI's flash 10.2 plugin Jun 14 18:56:38 MohammadAG: you considered the lockcode might actually be some bogus crap written there by accident (or complete erasure) and simply can not get decoded? ;-P Jun 14 18:56:56 Sazpaimon: flash 10 is overrated Jun 14 18:56:58 since I work for an online video store that is rapidly moving into mobile on-demand Jun 14 18:57:11 * MohammadAG tries cracking his pass Jun 14 18:57:20 Sazpaimon: well be a total bro and go get it then Jun 14 18:57:31 problem is Jun 14 18:57:32 unless you get the source and knowhow how to hw-accelerate it on N0ßß Jun 14 18:57:33 should i care Jun 14 18:57:37 is there a map widget that doesnt suck testicles? Jun 14 18:57:38 N900 Jun 14 18:57:49 Sazpaimon: It's more complex than that apparantly - the 10.2 plugin for ARM is reportedly needing heavily optimised to work well on n900 Jun 14 18:58:07 has the 10.2 plugin leaked out yet Jun 14 18:58:12 i thought only 10.1 leaked out Jun 14 18:58:27 nobody cares Jun 14 18:58:38 the leaked one was slow as melasses Jun 14 18:58:40 the built in location widget doesnt cache map data or use built in maps Jun 14 18:58:43 damn you PowerVR Jun 14 18:58:50 :) Jun 14 18:59:00 flash blows and will soon die out Jun 14 18:59:09 html 5 is king Jun 14 18:59:25 flash will never die out as long as companies need DRM for video Jun 14 18:59:49 though i do hope silverlight fills that gap Jun 14 18:59:49 silverlight has worked wonders for DRM Jun 14 18:59:50 Sazpaimon: so the answer is: definitely no, you should better stay a good trustworthy employee Jun 14 19:00:23 DocScrutinizer, even if i dont feel like leaking it I can still utilize it for any development boards we get Jun 14 19:00:51 well, maybe Jun 14 19:01:00 bwaha Jun 14 19:01:13 though i should have probably requested an A9 variant instead Jun 14 19:01:18 A8 is old hat Jun 14 19:01:34 hihihi Jun 14 19:02:30 also I'd love a silverlight plugin for ARM Jun 14 19:02:36 well, moonlight Jun 14 19:02:48 *BURP* Jun 14 19:03:19 ask the MONO nerds Jun 14 19:03:26 they'll love the idea Jun 14 19:04:32 back Jun 14 19:04:35 using --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd,no-ext-wd,no-lifeguard-reset Jun 14 19:04:38 the thing still restarts Jun 14 19:04:53 MohammadAG: what NOW Jun 14 19:05:49 honestly sall I want flash to do on my phone is play VVVVVV at full speed Jun 14 19:06:07 more and more looks like nuked and fsckdup CAL partition (you are aware rd-flags also live in CAL, you do, right?) Jun 14 19:07:05 no seems like its working now Jun 14 19:07:14 I like how insanely long it takes for google to unlist your site once it gets flagged for "badware" Jun 14 19:07:28 its lighting up and not restarting Jun 14 19:07:30 even though it takes almost no time for it to be flagged after an intrusion Jun 14 19:08:02 user0: your constant making me alert and thinking is really exhausting Jun 14 19:08:30 im really sorry about that Jun 14 19:08:41 I feel like solving a 50 issues for you the last 24h, of which 49 were no-issues in the end Jun 14 19:08:41 i just need this to work Jun 14 19:09:43 please double-check and rethink before you are shouting "fire" next time Jun 14 19:09:46 [18:48] user0: wait for next surprise: no / <-- Jun 14 19:09:51 lol Jun 14 19:11:37 evening Jun 14 19:12:25 * lardman is going to be without a landline for ~2 weeks Jun 14 19:12:32 and broadband for longer still Jun 14 19:12:34 rubbish Jun 14 19:12:54 bah, use sat Jun 14 19:13:00 ;-P Jun 14 19:13:07 well I have to sign up still Jun 14 19:13:21 inmarsat has "pretty fast" dataservice Jun 14 19:13:32 what does it cost though Jun 14 19:13:45 my entire package is ~£26/month Jun 14 19:13:46 errr, less than a ferrari per month Jun 14 19:14:13 probably cheaper to drive the Ferrari to work and use free broadband there then ;) Jun 14 19:14:38 depending on datarate you can choose between sporting a ferrari and buying a new one each month, worth of fee Jun 14 19:14:57 MohammadAG : care to help ? Jun 14 19:14:58 :) Jun 14 19:15:09 sure, what's wrong? Jun 14 19:15:14 im in but cant do shit , what did you have in mind ? Jun 14 19:15:33 cd dev Jun 14 19:15:56 ok Jun 14 19:16:02 hehehe Jun 14 19:16:11 cat mtd1 | grep -A 13 lock_code | tail -1 Jun 14 19:16:17 lol Jun 14 19:16:41 ask moh how to pipe X-P Jun 14 19:17:02 this is crazy Jun 14 19:17:11 i love how comcast's "package" deal is the same price as the items individually Jun 14 19:17:16 maybe even more expensive Jun 14 19:17:48 you lot see the patent battle between Apple & Nokia has been settled? Jun 14 19:18:07 Sazpaimon: it's the value added service combing the three packages Jun 14 19:18:13 combining Jun 14 19:18:16 oh sure it's settled once apple buys nokia Jun 14 19:18:17 DocScrutinizer : path to mydocs? Jun 14 19:18:28 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13759612 Jun 14 19:18:29 err *cough* Jun 14 19:18:54 mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /mnt -t auto Jun 14 19:19:08 no need for a pip Jun 14 19:19:23 none of this is possible Jun 14 19:19:29 grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1 Jun 14 19:19:30 MohammadAG : whats you're solution for this? Jun 14 19:19:34 also for the bundle deal they dont say what your internet speed will be Jun 14 19:19:35 nop__: ? Jun 14 19:19:43 ok Jun 14 19:19:46 it just says "Speed comparison between Comcast 6.0 Mbps service and standard 1.5 Mbps DSL (downloads only)." Jun 14 19:19:54 grep -A 13 lock_code mtd1 Jun 14 19:19:57 but they say that for even their 100mbit package Jun 14 19:19:58 DocScrutinizer: nolo can flash cal Jun 14 19:20:01 he's in /dev? Jun 14 19:20:05 yep Jun 14 19:20:10 ah k Jun 14 19:20:14 DocScrutinizer: but there is no code for it in flasher Jun 14 19:20:21 I see Jun 14 19:20:27 DocScrutinizer: so somebody would have to write app for that Jun 14 19:20:31 how would we 'make' such code? Jun 14 19:20:36 DocScrutinizer: or get app from nokia ( they probably have one ) Jun 14 19:20:46 there is that flasher alternative Jun 14 19:20:48 erhhhmmm Jun 14 19:20:50 0xffff i believe it's called Jun 14 19:20:57 yeah Jun 14 19:20:58 modify that Jun 14 19:21:01 k Jun 14 19:21:15 or simpler, create small initrd Jun 14 19:21:22 that would flash cal Jun 14 19:21:23 friggin shit Jun 14 19:21:36 aahyep Jun 14 19:21:55 also they charge $7/month for a cable modem Jun 14 19:21:56 nanderase nandwrite along that line Jun 14 19:22:01 what a joke Jun 14 19:22:08 its probably a crappy arris modem Jun 14 19:22:22 you get a used one for less than a month fee Jun 14 19:22:30 money would be better spent getting a motorola sufboard docsis3 modem Jun 14 19:22:37 *surfboard Jun 14 19:22:58 whats the point in having 20mbit internet if you use a crappy modem Jun 14 19:23:17 DocScrutinizer: or just dd if=/fresh_cal_copy of=/dev/mtdX Jun 14 19:23:28 *cough* Jun 14 19:23:38 I can get a SB6120 modem for $80 on amazon Jun 14 19:23:42 probably cheaper elsewhere Jun 14 19:23:42 adventurous but *may* work occasionally Jun 14 19:23:55 user0: whazzup? Jun 14 19:24:30 what's your hash now? 8-o Jun 14 19:24:34 and you can customize a surfboard modem Jun 14 19:25:17 user0: you know we need that magic hash that makes reflash worthless Jun 14 19:26:06 * DocScrutinizer yawns Jun 14 19:26:09 give me a sec , im dealing with some customer Jun 14 19:26:16 ooh Jun 14 19:31:38 anybody have angry birds RIO.deb? Jun 14 19:33:28 DocScrutinizer : i cant type this > grep -A 13 lock_code mtd1 Jun 14 19:33:49 haha, no _ Jun 14 19:33:53 I guess Jun 14 19:34:08 no numbers even Jun 14 19:34:09 and no - Jun 14 19:34:16 YAY Jun 14 19:34:16 this should be in some script Jun 14 19:34:19 ask MohammadAG Jun 14 19:34:34 his client should be blinking :P Jun 14 19:35:07 javispedro: hi! Jun 14 19:35:10 err Jun 14 19:35:16 hello Jun 14 19:35:35 the only way to get the - is to find a binary with - in it Jun 14 19:35:41 javispedro: hacker riddle: DocScrutinizer : i cant type this > grep -A 13 lock_code mtd1 Jun 14 19:36:05 where's the riddle? Jun 14 19:36:07 no numbers, no - (rescue-initrd) Jun 14 19:36:39 wait, who wrote docnoksnes, was it javispedro or jacekowski Jun 14 19:36:40 ? Jun 14 19:36:41 the greatest text adventure since ZX81 Jun 14 19:36:59 isn't there USB networking in that image Jun 14 19:37:09 yes there is Jun 14 19:37:10 what for exactly? Jun 14 19:37:29 no access to Jun 14 19:37:30 remote terminal maybe ? Jun 14 19:37:32 / Jun 14 19:37:40 nop__: technically me. Jun 14 19:37:41 maybe yeah Jun 14 19:38:31 actually ttySAC should work Jun 14 19:38:39 or whatever it's called Jun 14 19:38:51 ttyUSB? Jun 14 19:39:54 * DocScrutinizer ponders idly how friggin useful h-e-n was in rescue-initrd Jun 14 19:40:14 but then a full keymap was equally useful Jun 14 19:41:12 honestly boting to meego uSD seems the better alternative Jun 14 19:41:21 heh. Jun 14 19:42:01 Peter@Maemo Marketing is now Peter@Entire Nokia Marketing, according to twitter =) Jun 14 19:42:07 give MohammadAG some more time Jun 14 19:42:21 he'll find a way ;) Jun 14 19:42:28 this rescue-initrd got built by fools and is as useful as an additional hole in my backside Jun 14 19:42:31 no, I won't :P Jun 14 19:42:44 but i think it has an ssh server Jun 14 19:42:52 :O Jun 14 19:43:00 If I'm wrong, the only thing that image is useful for is resizing the eMMC Jun 14 19:43:06 in which case, honestly boting to meego uSD seems the better alternative Jun 14 19:43:40 there's also another way, but I'm not sure you can do it Jun 14 19:43:40 dump mtd1 into a file and do the rest on a PC Jun 14 19:44:28 which storage MohammadAG , which storage Jun 14 19:44:37 ... Jun 14 19:44:55 he have to mount it first i guess Jun 14 19:45:27 * DocScrutinizer got a brilliant idea: cat mtd1; #use videocam to capture the text scrolling by Jun 14 19:45:41 no numbers Jun 14 19:45:53 that's MOOOOMENT Jun 14 19:45:54 what the hell are you trying to do? Jun 14 19:46:25 nah, doesn't work either Jun 14 19:46:27 let me guess though: recover lock code from a stolen/code-forgotten-but-device-locked n900? Jun 14 19:46:46 almost Jun 14 19:47:10 bought used Jun 14 19:47:33 worked ntil flash, then lockcode kicked in Jun 14 19:47:37 ask previous owner. Jun 14 19:47:45 indeed Jun 14 19:47:45 alright they are turning off the lights here Jun 14 19:47:50 time to pack and leave Jun 14 19:48:04 a few minutes and i'll be back online Jun 14 19:48:12 javispedro: I'm afraid though the device is nuts Jun 14 19:48:38 javispedro: lock code *kicked in* on flash, rather than _vanish_ Jun 14 19:48:56 although I'm sure flashing clears the gconf key, since that's how qwerty12 wrote the app to break the existing code Jun 14 19:49:07 several 'analysts' say this can't happen as lock code gets enabled via gconf Jun 14 19:49:21 and the default image does not have the key set? Jun 14 19:49:36 nope, allegedly not Jun 14 19:49:44 did you device boot up and ask for a lock code when you first bought it? Jun 14 19:49:55 weird enough huh? Jun 14 19:49:56 your* Jun 14 19:49:56 but yeah, it doesn't have it set Jun 14 19:49:58 is it user0's? Jun 14 19:50:04 (he left) Jun 14 19:50:18 jup Jun 14 19:50:23 he baught it used Jun 14 19:50:27 IMHO forgotten lock code + "nuts device" = stolen device. Jun 14 19:50:45 MohammadAG: on factory defaults lock code hash = lock code Jun 14 19:50:51 = 12345 Jun 14 19:51:24 yes Jun 14 19:51:58 javispedro: yeah indeed Jun 14 19:52:35 though I'd more worry about http://www.usp-forum.de/nokia-n900-forum/53627-imei-n900-ndern.html Jun 14 19:52:46 yeah, I have that on the other N900 Jun 14 19:52:49 it's not hashed Jun 14 19:52:57 "how chng IMEI posibble not?" Jun 14 19:53:12 it's possible I think Jun 14 19:53:38 on S60 devices we used Nemisis Service Suite to change the product code Jun 14 19:53:47 * javispedro sighs Jun 14 19:53:49 since that's the only way to change firmwares Jun 14 19:54:01 for N900/BB5 you need phoenix suite Jun 14 19:54:14 BB5 phones worked with NSS Jun 14 19:54:25 hmm, maybe too Jun 14 19:54:31 Pheonix is for flashing images afaik Jun 14 19:54:37 there was also another one, can't remember it Jun 14 19:54:38 phoenix however could also fix lock code Jun 14 19:54:41 aiui Jun 14 19:54:53 and calibrate ALS etc pp Jun 14 19:54:54 yeah, tried that on an S40 device Jun 14 19:55:08 it wasn't hashed, just stored on some Permanent Memory (PM) block Jun 14 19:55:14 think it was #163 Jun 14 19:55:43 screwit, again late at night Jun 14 19:55:49 * javispedro is reading that lock code is plain DES (or crypt() I bet?) , so a picture and manually typing it into a "fast" computer probably gets you the plaintext. Jun 14 19:56:05 it does Jun 14 19:56:12 that's what we try to do Jun 14 19:56:32 just picking it out from mtd1 is a PITA on recue-initrd Jun 14 19:56:43 that's the riddle Jun 14 19:56:55 javispedro, been cracking my code for 40 mins Jun 14 19:56:58 I think I'm doing it wrong Jun 14 19:57:03 aaa, no numbers no dash Jun 14 19:57:16 DocScrutinizer^^ Jun 14 19:57:16 exactly Jun 14 19:57:40 also, busybox.. Jun 14 19:57:41 initrd is a useles pile of crap Jun 14 19:57:46 hm.. Jun 14 19:58:11 (nokia care should also be able to reset codes while we're at it) Jun 14 19:58:23 has anybody checked cdate of the files? I bet is Apr 1st Jun 14 19:58:38 yes, they use phoenix Jun 14 19:59:01 and L1_2 Jun 14 19:59:10 * _trine has a computer with 3204 cores Jun 14 19:59:19 o.O Jun 14 19:59:55 you dropped a sackof nuts into it? Jun 14 20:00:21 <_trine> it makes my room too hot in the afternoon so it has to be turned off Jun 14 20:00:31 lol Jun 14 20:00:38 you're not kidding Jun 14 20:00:46 <_trine> no I am not Jun 14 20:01:05 sever blade rack? Jun 14 20:01:15 or GFX station? Jun 14 20:01:22 <_trine> its a PC with some GPU's Jun 14 20:01:30 pfft. Jun 14 20:01:31 :nod: Jun 14 20:01:42 stop dilluting the definition of core even more. Jun 14 20:02:12 * DocScrutinizer likes core memory Jun 14 20:02:21 <_trine> I didnt define the definition it was ATI Jun 14 20:02:25 one core / bit Jun 14 20:02:41 btw, do you want a 128 cpu itanium machine? noone wants it here, too much power Jun 14 20:02:57 <_trine> javispedro, put it this way Jun 14 20:02:59 *burp* Jun 14 20:03:27 <_trine> if I do a calculation on my 4 core intel i5 Jun 14 20:03:49 <_trine> my computer with the GPU's can do it 45 times faster Jun 14 20:03:57 you need longer to read the result than the machine needs to compute it Jun 14 20:04:49 <_trine> it is the equivilan doing the types of calculation I use it for of 45 intel i5 processors Jun 14 20:05:04 <_trine> equivalent ** Jun 14 20:05:30 unless you calculate "how many kg of paper to print out until the sequence 844179813604617887631 appears in PI?" Answer: 421.342kg Jun 14 20:05:47 Just got my N900 back from service... they tell me that they replaced the main board, and that I should notice that it has a new IMEI-number.. Jun 14 20:06:10 somehow it got converted to a N8 in the process... Jun 14 20:06:11 :/ Jun 14 20:06:18 seriously???!!!??? Jun 14 20:06:27 ohnoes Jun 14 20:06:29 cue jokes in 3,2,1... Jun 14 20:06:46 ask for n8++ Jun 14 20:06:57 does the n8 qualify as "device with similar or superior specifications"? Jun 14 20:07:00 maybe they upgrade you to N9 Jun 14 20:07:04 LulzSec DDoSing League of Legends. Jun 14 20:07:06 * GeneralAntilles is bored now. Jun 14 20:07:16 ruskie: they switched my phone the assholes.... And they had it for 25 days.. :/ Jun 14 20:07:28 haj, was it a developer device or actually bought? Jun 14 20:07:30 I bet it'll take them 25 days to find a replacement... Jun 14 20:07:37 ruskie: I bought it.. Jun 14 20:07:37 * DocScrutinizer DDoSng GeneralAntilles for the LULZ Jun 14 20:07:51 they need a new where the sun don't shine hole ;) Jun 14 20:09:38 <_trine> haj, it could be an old main board which has previously been madly overclocked Jun 14 20:09:44 <_trine> who knows Jun 14 20:10:44 eh? Jun 14 20:11:07 wasn't that to user0? Jun 14 20:11:29 here's to hoping nokia uses the apple money to fund real r&d Jun 14 20:11:31 as that's what I suggested is his problem, some hurs ago Jun 14 20:11:45 instead of funding, let's say, steve ballmer and his evil minions. Jun 14 20:11:50 foooorgETIT Jun 14 20:12:42 _trine: I did overclock it to 1GHz for a year or so... but that wasn't the problem.. it just lost the connection to the phone-part... Jun 14 20:12:51 o/ Jun 14 20:12:55 _trine: that doesn't explain why they would return a N8 ;) Jun 14 20:13:04 <_trine> yes thats true Jun 14 20:13:13 * DocScrutinizer is rather happe he got no brandy or wodka in da house. In a mood to hit the label Jun 14 20:13:49 http://irclogs.meego.com/meetbot/meego-meeting/2011/meego-meeting.2011-06-14-13.56.log.html#l-30 Jun 14 20:14:07 haj: orly? how do you tell it's not due to OC? Jun 14 20:14:56 DocScrutinizer: Because it did it when pressing down on the keyboard various places... Jun 14 20:15:23 DocScrutinizer: also, it's a know fault.. theres a few threads about it on talk.. Jun 14 20:16:00 yet another meego public figure "moving" due to nokia uncertainness. Jun 14 20:16:11 ok mech failure unrelated to OC *usually* :-) Jun 14 20:16:25 unless you cooked the solder ;-P Jun 14 20:16:29 this makes me very, very sad. very sad to see many oss gurus previously employed at nokia polishing up their resumes. Jun 14 20:17:11 javispedro: best thing they can do Jun 14 20:17:30 get a job, get rid of those penny stocks Jun 14 20:17:50 so it is the end :( Jun 14 20:18:03 DocScrutinizer: It's not like it'll generate that much more heat... it doesn't even use more power at 1GHz.. (not anything I noticed anyway).. ;) Jun 14 20:18:17 not yet, there'll be a looong agony still Jun 14 20:18:19 DocScrutinizer: I didn't hear of any OC related faults? Jun 14 20:18:23 * javispedro is more pessimist every day. Jun 14 20:18:34 haj: so you missed them Jun 14 20:19:23 GFX core restes like mad, eMMC IO errors, whatnot else Jun 14 20:20:00 each of those dudes claims "but it doesn't relate to OC, as it doesn't vanish when I reset to default clock" Jun 14 20:20:18 hehe... How much did they overclock? Jun 14 20:20:34 I don't count the numbers Jun 14 20:21:24 anyway doesn't matter... Mine did 1GHz for a year.. and it didn't kill it... something else did, and now they gave me a N8 that I don't even want to turn on.. Jun 14 20:21:28 ~omap-oc Jun 14 20:21:28 i guess omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 Jun 14 20:21:39 Wonder if they gave some other person a N900 in place of a N8 Jun 14 20:21:58 that would be an upgrade, and rma upgrades _never happen_ Jun 14 20:22:06 c'mon reclaim your maemo phone Jun 14 20:22:32 before its too late Jun 14 20:22:37 exactly Jun 14 20:23:01 odd maemo issue, camera doesn't work, says memory full even though there is a lot of space Jun 14 20:23:14 DocScrutinizer: It's annoying.. they'll demand that I return it to the shop.. I'll need to take time of work to do it.. that's annoying.. ;) Jun 14 20:23:22 check your cam storage setting Jun 14 20:24:07 o/ Jun 14 20:25:39 omg a private tv network asking for donations, where do I live now Jun 14 20:25:45 DocScrutinizer: well the only thing being used (over 2 digits in %) is /var/run and rootfs Jun 14 20:25:52 rest of the device is well empty Jun 14 20:26:42 check your cam storage settings Jun 14 20:27:24 switch to uSD Jun 14 20:27:29 switch back Jun 14 20:27:44 DocScrutinizer: The worst part of this slow service is that I have actually gotten quite used this Android-phone while waiting for it.. ;) haha.. Jun 14 20:27:46 check `mount` for r/o Jun 14 20:27:51 *away* Jun 14 20:27:57 android is ass Jun 14 20:28:40 javispedro: what's wrong with that? Jun 14 20:28:56 They usually need them more than public networks. Jun 14 20:29:03 Considering they don't get any tax dollars. :P Jun 14 20:29:34 GeneralAntilles: well, the guy just excused himself for asking donations by telling that "US networks already do that!!" Jun 14 20:29:39 javispedro: was it you who wrote docnoksnes? Jun 14 20:29:50 nop__: yes... Jun 14 20:30:12 javispedro: (do you have any plan /what would you consider a reasonable 'bounty') to add gamepad (see /dev/input/js0) support to drnoksnes? Jun 14 20:30:15 here they do call in win games "is a PC A) a comuter B) a fish ?" call 090034343434 to win 5000 Jun 14 20:30:59 each call (or SMS) earns them 50ct Jun 14 20:31:18 you bet there are mor than 10k calls/SMS each time Jun 14 20:31:24 nop__: I will consider it, but no money. Which gamepad are you trying to use btw? Jun 14 20:31:57 just a standard 8 button controller that creates a device at /dev/input/js0 Jun 14 20:32:03 javispedro: just a standard 8 button controller that creates a device at /dev/input/js0 Jun 14 20:32:10 DocScrutinizer: pfft, they do that all of the time. I'm just surprised they went straight to directly asking you for money. Jun 14 20:32:28 I prefer that ;-P Jun 14 20:32:34 javispedro: I can cat /dev/input/js0 to see the output from the controller Jun 14 20:32:43 javispedro: I can 'cat /dev/input/js0' to see the output from the controller Jun 14 20:32:56 nop__: but I am just curious, is this a noname gamepad, a wiimote, some other console? Jun 14 20:33:00 javispedro: however docnoksnes does not 'see' it Jun 14 20:33:12 no, it is just a noname gamepad Jun 14 20:33:40 it happens that I just bought a xbox360 gamepad so I might have a reason to implement it... Jun 14 20:33:44 javispedro: that works with the standard joydev module Jun 14 20:34:19 javispedro: well I will happily start a TMO whiparound to get some beer money Jun 14 20:34:28 javispedro: thank you for considering Jun 14 20:34:46 nop__: naa, don't do that, it's not hard, and I don't want money. Jun 14 20:34:55 this is an odd bug Jun 14 20:35:15 javispedro: but you do want beer right? Jun 14 20:35:29 pausing the media player with the hands free answer button results in the lost of audio alerts. but if I pause it from the screen, audio alerts work fine Jun 14 20:35:39 nop__: haha. we'll see :) Jun 14 20:35:44 javispedro: did you also create ines? Jun 14 20:35:54 nope Jun 14 20:36:00 okey dokey Jun 14 20:36:09 * javispedro has to leave, cya Jun 14 20:36:20 I am working on trying to compile xscope Jun 14 20:36:26 whaddya think? Jun 14 20:40:00 back... Jun 14 20:40:22 @.@ Jun 14 20:40:55 DocScrutinizer : any new ideas ? Jun 14 20:41:15 the guys at #meego seem to know nothing about this Jun 14 20:41:20 my brain became concentrated vacuum Jun 14 20:41:38 forget #meego Jun 14 20:42:09 las user trying that said the relation is like 30min here are >> 7 days there Jun 14 20:42:46 :) Jun 14 20:43:14 *you* got idea of reoteterm Jun 14 20:43:21 remote term even Jun 14 20:43:23 so now we have to find a way to make use of the usb networking function ? Jun 14 20:44:00 hmm, not sure what's the remote term function in that crap - maybe some tty-over-usb? Jun 14 20:44:36 just enter the mode, then try 22, 23 with telnet Jun 14 20:44:37 must be Jun 14 20:45:00 if that doesn't work (oops nevermind) Jun 14 20:45:25 first check if anything new shows up in PC's lsusb Jun 14 20:45:46 like ttyACM or ttyUSB or whatever Jun 14 20:45:55 dmesg/syslog may help Jun 14 20:46:46 if not, you're probably with USB networking, which should have a mini-HowTo specially for that rescue-initrd Jun 14 20:48:00 if it's networking then you probably should see sth like cdc_ether in lsmod and also getting loaded logs in syslog Jun 14 20:48:25 o/ Jun 14 20:48:44 (trying again to escape from this laptop) Jun 14 20:48:44 usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether Jun 14 20:48:54 network then Jun 14 20:49:08 you'll need info about IPs Jun 14 20:49:25 its 192.168.2.15 Jun 14 20:50:39 a network always has two IP: local and far end Jun 14 20:50:48 the other one is .14 afaik Jun 14 20:51:59 so you probably need a route to 192.168.1.14 via local wirtual nic IF 192.168.1.15 Jun 14 20:52:23 ok i'll try that Jun 14 20:52:35 wouldn't ssh 192.168.2.15 work? Jun 14 20:52:37 then pin .14 and see if N900 answers Jun 14 20:52:39 if there was an ssh server on it Jun 14 20:52:45 1879.250688] cdc_acm 2-2:1.6: ttyACM0: USB ACM device Jun 14 20:53:07 hah that's a thing for minicom, no? Jun 14 20:53:21 dial up :p Jun 14 20:53:33 direct tty over USB Jun 14 20:53:52 yep, never figured out how to use those, besides network-manager Jun 14 20:54:07 minicom -s Jun 14 20:54:25 select tty: ttyACM0 Jun 14 20:54:38 baud: dunno prolly 115k Jun 14 20:54:42 etc etc Jun 14 20:54:58 I might be *completely* wrong though Jun 14 20:55:54 alright so now i can ping it Jun 14 20:55:57 it should be called sth like "USB console" Jun 14 20:55:59 but cant ssh or telnet Jun 14 20:56:08 shit Jun 14 20:56:27 you need to start some sshd Jun 14 20:56:38 no servers installed on it Jun 14 20:56:42 dunno if that initrd has a menu for that Jun 14 20:57:22 remote session, remote foobar, dunno Jun 14 20:57:51 usually on tiny systems dropbear doe the sshd crap Jun 14 20:59:08 or you actually try minicom approach Jun 14 20:59:29 I think I've seen "USB console" in initrd menu Jun 14 20:59:42 just gona let the phone charge a bit atm Jun 14 21:00:04 it doesnt charge while using that initrd Jun 14 21:00:08 I *honestly* _doubt_ rescue-initrd will charge Jun 14 21:00:18 it doesn't Jun 14 21:00:56 wtf is the use of USB networking if there's no sshd Jun 14 21:01:08 download a meego image Jun 14 21:01:11 this stuff is crap Jun 14 21:01:17 I doubt as well a messed up half-flashed maemo system will charge Jun 14 21:01:23 MeeGo will Jun 14 21:04:40 nah that friggin r-initrd has NUTTIN, it has Terminal and Network-on/of, for whatever purpose Jun 14 21:06:30 so either the network cranks up ttyACM and cdc_ether+sshd, and you missed to set up networking correctly (didn't I say you should ping the N900 first?), or you're supposed to start whatever sshd from whatever storage you mounted from somewhere Jun 14 21:19:13 I noticed from the log that you were trying to get access to the device using intrd Jun 14 21:19:19 (hi btw) Jun 14 21:20:28 there's a script for installing meego to the emmc that uses the recovery intrd/kernel Jun 14 21:21:10 it uses netcast to do so look here: http://timoph.fi/de-installer.tar.gz Jun 14 21:22:16 sorry netcat not netcast Jun 14 21:23:52 damn internet connection Jun 14 21:25:54 MohammadAG : possible to go back to the old kernel ? Jun 14 21:26:30 the system is back as it was now(still asking for the damn lock code) Jun 14 21:27:06 but the way it boot up isnt the same Jun 14 21:27:52 btw while flashing the rootfs and the emmc again there was this status bar on the n900 :P Jun 14 21:28:22 pointless but cute Jun 14 21:49:42 really poor connection today Jun 14 21:49:55 nothings working today Jun 14 21:52:49 MohammadAG : did you get any pm from me ? Jun 14 22:26:10 even the 3g router stopped working :) Jun 14 23:51:21 hmm, why is there a Mohammad- Jun 14 23:57:57 cause your name issn`t unique enough ;) Jun 15 00:04:07 ThreeM, and my real name? Jun 15 00:06:19 for me, unique enough :) Jun 15 00:06:48 hello again :) Jun 15 00:08:06 DocScrutinizer : im trying to flash it with phoenix atm Jun 15 00:08:13 you think that would work ? Jun 15 00:19:18 DocScrutinizer, sure you didn't fire up my ZNC? Jun 15 00:19:25 cause I can't find a reason there's another Mohammad- Jun 15 00:20:54 user0, no reason to use pheonix, flasher does it better Jun 15 00:20:57 anyway, night Jun 15 00:22:59 MohammadAG: you'd be able to tell by hostname, user realname... Jun 15 00:25:38 MohammadAG: /whois Jun 15 00:26:12 [671] Mohammad- is using a secure connection is using a secure connection Jun 15 00:27:27 DocScrutinizer : why did you suggest that i take it to some shop that has pheonix ? Jun 15 00:28:25 phoenix* Jun 15 00:39:48 Anyone know if there is an easy way to get debian squeeze running on the n900? Easy Debian is using lenny still Jun 15 00:40:24 because the phenix flashing software is what Nokia is using in their service manual to e.g. reset lock code Jun 15 00:42:20 so it's obviously the only "official" way to reflash CAL partition that has the lock key hash, among other system parameters Jun 15 00:45:31 MohammadAG: seems there's been a netsplit Jun 15 01:15:35 does the n900 support wireless broadcast mode for wifi tethering Jun 15 01:15:43 not adhoc mode Jun 15 01:16:24 broadcast aka infrastructure mode Jun 15 02:06:35 Bwahaha Jun 15 02:06:47 James Shields, complete game shutout against the Red Sox. Jun 15 02:10:43 http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.pennystore/joerg900.10129 Jun 15 02:21:31 * timeless looks for a finnish speaker Jun 15 02:21:52 Kertoiko sinua palvellut Ifin asiantuntija mahdollisista puutteista vakuutusturvassasi Jun 15 02:21:58 can someone translate that? Jun 15 02:22:02 the best i can get from google is: Jun 15 02:22:10 Did you served as an expert of If possible deficiencies in their insurance cover? Jun 15 02:27:45 sounds like hiring spam Jun 15 02:28:31 it's a customer satisfaction survey Jun 15 02:29:06 you got expertise in consulting customers about possible deficiencies in their insurance coverage Jun 15 02:30:07 THEN JOIN OUR TEAM YEAH! Jun 15 02:31:18 pumpgun and steel shoes for free - every police over 50 a day gets you a special remuneration Jun 15 02:37:01 unsolicited spam ahead (duck and cover): http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/free-and-open-replacement-wireless-lan Jun 15 02:40:17 now if we can get all the opensource hardware to support that protocol... Jun 15 02:40:34 * timeless pokes sp3000 Jun 15 02:41:01 GeneralAntilles, Roy Halladay is still better Jun 15 02:41:13 just throwing that out there Jun 15 02:41:20 hrm, you're probably asleep Jun 15 02:41:51 luke-jr: ipv6 irc? Jun 15 02:45:53 ds3: huh? I wonder if you're read the page Jun 15 02:46:12 yes, I did read the page Jun 15 02:46:17 did I miss something? Jun 15 02:46:19 ds3: you can even build yourself if you want Jun 15 02:46:29 I mean designed in Jun 15 02:46:50 and have multivendor support... I think the old chipcon stuff can do it too Jun 15 02:47:07 aiui Wolfgang plans to build it in to next Ben palmtop device Jun 15 02:47:42 with an itsy bitsy help from me Jun 15 02:47:50 that's one device Jun 15 02:47:56 want more things supporting it Jun 15 02:47:58 sure Jun 15 02:48:50 maybe a watch ;) Jun 15 02:51:18 ~seen alterego Jun 15 02:51:23 alterego is currently on #meego. Has said a total of 85 messages. Is idling for 4h 28m 54s, last said: 'I should probably head to bed soon.'. Jun 15 02:52:23 i wish the ben palmtop thing was an ARM based device Jun 15 02:53:24 ds3: /join #qi-hardware and discuss it Jun 15 02:53:26 :-D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 15 02:59:57 2011