**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 16 02:59:57 2011
Jun 16 03:14:06 <internetishard> Is there a way to make the n900 only connect to one wifi network?
Jun 16 03:14:14 <internetishard> automatically that is?
Jun 16 03:14:26 <internetishard> so it doesn't connect randomly to every network it sees, except for my home network
Jun 16 03:15:48 <DocScrutinizer> err yes
Jun 16 03:15:57 <wblaze> isn't that the default behavior?
Jun 16 03:15:58 <DocScrutinizer> look on tmo for details
Jun 16 03:16:08 <DocScrutinizer> I thought as well
Jun 16 03:16:47 <wblaze> I usually switch off wifi when I am out anyway... but still
Jun 16 03:16:56 <DocScrutinizer> connect auto only to known networks
Jun 16 03:17:15 * DocScrutinizer never
Jun 16 03:18:15 <wblaze> meh, battery life is bad enough without scanning wifi while driving
Jun 16 03:18:18 <DocScrutinizer> N900 does wlan@home -> GPRS when I leave home, and it goes gprs -> wlan@MyPub when I arrive there
Jun 16 03:18:25 <internetishard> oh, so you make only one network "known"?
Jun 16 03:18:27 <internetishard> how is this done?
Jun 16 03:20:17 <wblaze> settings->internet connections->connections
Jun 16 03:20:24 <DocScrutinizer> settings -> internet connections: "automatic coonect"->all , "[x] switch to wlan when available"
Jun 16 03:21:20 <wblaze> delete any wifi profiles not your home wifi
Jun 16 03:21:26 <DocScrutinizer> under connections -> connections you get the known ones and can delete those you don't like
Jun 16 03:22:56 <DocScrutinizer> depending on your needs for battery life and connectivity you may want to use an interval for WLAN search of 5, 10, 30, or 60 min
Jun 16 03:23:43 <DocScrutinizer> wblaze: how long are you driving? 
Jun 16 03:23:55 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
Jun 16 03:24:43 <DocScrutinizer> I'm using a scan interval of 10min and think that's just fine
Jun 16 03:24:55 <wblaze> depends on the day
Jun 16 03:25:32 <DocScrutinizer> esp since UMTS fills in the gaps between wifi hotspots and scan intervals
Jun 16 03:26:05 <DocScrutinizer> which I'm going to demonstrate right now
Jun 16 03:26:07 <DocScrutinizer> o/
Jun 16 03:26:46 <wblaze> often multiple hours
Jun 16 03:28:53 <internetishard> that means I can't save wep keys for connects that I don't want to auto connect to?
Jun 16 03:29:24 <internetishard> I've dozens of  profiles that will probably come in handy at times
Jun 16 03:29:27 <wblaze> disable those profiles
Jun 16 03:29:35 <wblaze> enable when needed
Jun 16 03:29:49 <internetishard> how?
Jun 16 03:30:22 <wblaze> hm, apparently not
Jun 16 03:30:32 <internetishard> Indeed, this is annoying functionality
Jun 16 03:30:46 <internetishard> They really need to open up their software so we can fix all the non-sensical stuff
Jun 16 03:30:54 <internetishard> like not have groups in the address book
Jun 16 03:31:14 <SpeedEvil> internetishard: indeed
Jun 16 03:31:23 <wblaze> i find it easier to just use wifi switcher, tbh
Jun 16 03:31:44 <internetishard> I thought they dropped support... why don't they have it open already?
Jun 16 03:32:03 <SpeedEvil> internetishard: It's still actually for sale in some markets.
Jun 16 03:32:18 <internetishard> I'm tired of manually switching to wifi everytime I get home, and forget, and then get a skype call over 3g or something
Jun 16 03:32:22 <SpeedEvil> But - logic doesn't work so well.
Jun 16 04:09:50 <DocScrutinizer51> ~moo
Jun 16 04:09:50 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass
Jun 16 04:20:56 <internetishard> Hope I can get an easy work around for this soon
Jun 16 04:21:14 <internetishard> I want to have all of those profiles since they've lots of wep keys saved, but I only want to auto connect to one network (home)
Jun 16 07:19:05 <cloudyLights> ~seen lardman
Jun 16 07:19:10 <infobot> lardman <~lardman@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 12h 31s ago, saying: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13759612'.
Jun 16 07:26:21 <DocScrutinizer> ~moo
Jun 16 07:26:22 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass
Jun 16 07:26:32 <DocScrutinizer> ~smack cloudyLights 
Jun 16 07:26:32 * infobot smacks cloudyLights upside the head.
Jun 16 07:38:23 <Macer> wtf?
Jun 16 07:40:22 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: ?
Jun 16 07:40:51 <DocScrutinizer> do you also want a smack from infobot ?
Jun 16 07:42:14 <DocScrutinizer> it's so nicely ambiguous
Jun 16 07:44:14 <Macer> i am a cow moo?
Jun 16 07:44:19 <Macer> wtf? :)
Jun 16 07:44:57 <Macer> i used my g2 for 2 days before i couldnt take android anymore and swapped back to my n900
Jun 16 07:45:07 <ruskie> hehe
Jun 16 07:45:45 <Macer> i just have had it collecting dust
Jun 16 07:45:55 <Macer> wish i could put maemo on it :)
Jun 16 07:46:06 <Macer> that would be so awesome
Jun 16 07:46:12 <Macer> the hardware isn't too bad
Jun 16 07:46:41 <Macer> flimsy.. but internally it is ok
Jun 16 08:28:49 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, confirmation needed (by actual EE)
Jun 16 08:30:27 <DocScrutinizer> http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices ...
Jun 16 08:33:09 <tzafrir> bah. I just had my N900 ring non-stop. Had to power it off to stop it from ringing
Jun 16 08:36:59 <cloudyLights> hi tzafrir
Jun 16 08:37:05 <cloudyLights> didnt know you own a N900
Jun 16 08:37:24 <cloudyLights> I am assuming you are that asterisk dev - right?
Jun 16 08:37:37 <tzafrir> yes
Jun 16 08:37:57 <cloudyLights> want to test this app I wrote?
Jun 16 08:38:10 <tzafrir> What is it?
Jun 16 08:38:36 <cloudyLights> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74030
Jun 16 08:38:54 <cloudyLights> switch the profile according to the meetings in the calender
Jun 16 08:39:29 <tzafrir> I hardly use meetings, so I'll pass
Jun 16 08:39:31 <cloudyLights> also , did you see the attempt to raise funds to get waze on N900?
Jun 16 08:39:59 <cloudyLights> any special code you wrote lately?
Jun 16 08:40:04 <tzafrir> and no. I hardly care about waze. I like to keep my phone clean
Jun 16 08:40:10 <cloudyLights> btw, I no longer work for VS
Jun 16 08:41:49 <cloudyLights> tzafrir: did you write any code for the N900?
Jun 16 08:41:56 <tzafrir> No, not really
Jun 16 08:42:15 <cloudyLights> any GPL code you published lately?
Jun 16 08:42:29 <cloudyLights> just to know if there is anything new.....
Jun 16 08:45:31 <tzafrir> Mostly asterisk-related things
Jun 16 08:45:42 <cloudyLights> yes I know
Jun 16 08:47:13 <cloudyLights> I just synced my work calender (exchange) with my N900
Jun 16 08:47:23 <cloudyLights> mail for exchange - WORKS
Jun 16 08:47:32 <cloudyLights> I used to try it with google and fial
Jun 16 08:47:35 <cloudyLights> fail
Jun 16 08:54:54 <cloudyLights> hi Khertan_
Jun 16 08:55:16 <cloudyLights> I am so new to development in FSF 
Jun 16 08:55:29 <cloudyLights> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74030
Jun 16 09:14:46 <Khertan_> Morning !
Jun 16 09:14:51 <Khertan_> cloudyLights: Hi
Jun 16 09:14:55 <cloudyLights> morning 
Jun 16 09:15:09 <Khertan_> cloudyLights: congrats now you have just to push it to extras devel :)
Jun 16 09:15:14 <cloudyLights> I was so happy yesterday , that I finally got a deb file
Jun 16 09:15:45 <cloudyLights> I thought about this app 5 years ago
Jun 16 09:16:01 <cloudyLights> and promissed to code it on my N900 - when I got it
Jun 16 09:16:19 <cloudyLights> actually I bought the N900 to push me to develop for it
Jun 16 09:16:35 <cloudyLights> so now after so much time , I got a working program
Jun 16 09:16:56 <cloudyLights> thanks you
Jun 16 09:17:47 <Khertan_> your welcome
Jun 16 09:17:58 <Khertan_> can i suggest you KhtEditor to code on device ? :)
Jun 16 09:18:21 <cloudyLights> hmm, I used vi
Jun 16 09:18:21 <Khertan_> cloudyLights: http://khertan.net/khteditor
Jun 16 09:18:47 <cloudyLights> I used ssh to the N900 , but also the N900 keyboard on the bus
Jun 16 09:18:57 <Khertan_> yep but vim on maemo wasn't compiled with python so cannot syntax check on the flight
Jun 16 09:19:09 <Khertan_> with pyflakes :)
Jun 16 09:20:56 <cloudyLights> pyflakes.... ok
Jun 16 09:21:16 <cloudyLights> I wish I had a location lib for python
Jun 16 09:22:01 <Khertan_> a location lib ?
Jun 16 09:22:51 <cloudyLights> I still need to write a program to deal with profile
Jun 16 09:23:08 <cloudyLights> to allow my SO to ring , even if the phone is in silent
Jun 16 09:23:23 <cloudyLights> but then , I need an application to wake me up in the bus
Jun 16 09:23:34 <cloudyLights> when I am near my stop - wake me up
Jun 16 09:23:52 <cloudyLights> say: if the cellular tower changes to X - alert me
Jun 16 09:26:35 <Khertan_> hum ... you can use QtMobility.Location for gps
Jun 16 09:26:52 <Khertan_> but not sure you can catch cellular tower
Jun 16 09:27:20 <cloudyLights> cellular tower info - is cheap on the battery
Jun 16 09:29:49 <Khertan_> cloudyLights: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/qgeoareamonitor.html could interest you
Jun 16 09:29:53 <robbiethe1st> Bah! Just attach a home-made 3000+mAh battery, never worry about it running out again!
Jun 16 09:30:57 <DocScrutinizer> cloudyLights: you should look into dwimd
Jun 16 09:31:41 <DocScrutinizer> I think development stalled at some point, but it did kinda work
Jun 16 09:31:47 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
Jun 16 09:33:48 <DocScrutinizer> cloudyLights: http://maemo.org/packages/view/dwimd/
Jun 16 09:34:00 <cloudyLights> right - I see this
Jun 16 09:34:37 <DocScrutinizer> I contributed a few ideas and concept bits, so I think this is a rather nice concept
Jun 16 09:34:42 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
Jun 16 09:41:14 <Khertan_> cloudyLights: you could also use agps data only : QGeoPositionInfoSource::NonSatellitePositioningMethods
Jun 16 09:45:48 <ShadowJK> in Maemo4 there was location bindings for python
Jun 16 09:46:01 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Jun 16 09:46:21 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart qtmobility
Jun 16 09:46:21 * infobot nukes qtmobility with a single large nuke
Jun 16 09:46:56 <ShadowJK> isn't qtmobility the thing that runs all sensors all the time, eating battery
Jun 16 09:47:03 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Jun 16 09:48:23 <DocScrutinizer> probably developed on i5 servers for laptops
Jun 16 09:49:12 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not at all excited about it
Jun 16 09:50:33 <DocScrutinizer> alas there'll be plenty of apps built on qtm, and then users flame about N900 hw again - "ohnoes it cuts thru 5 batteries a day. This phone is such a piece of ****"
Jun 16 09:52:10 <Dibblah> Cool. Load-tested my new battery.
Jun 16 09:52:31 <Dibblah> 1604mAh last measured discharge.
Jun 16 09:52:42 <Dibblah> (After 3 cycles, last two were the same.
Jun 16 09:53:02 <ruskie> http://regmedia.co.uk/2011/06/13/motorola_atrix_5.jpg <-- at a quick glance it looks almost like a maemo device
Jun 16 09:53:18 <ShadowJK> What battery is that?
Jun 16 09:53:49 <ShadowJK> and cycle count since learning?
Jun 16 09:55:15 <Dibblah> http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/601765/209996492-436082429/Lithium-ion-Battery-for-Nokia-BL-5J-5230-5800XM-5233-N900-1420mAh-Free-Shipping.html
Jun 16 09:55:18 <Dibblah> 0
Jun 16 09:55:52 <Dibblah> by "the same" I mean 1592
Jun 16 09:55:59 <ShadowJK> ah
Jun 16 09:56:14 <Dibblah> Absolutely massive presentation case, though. Almost as big as a VHS box.
Jun 16 09:56:20 <Dibblah> And they sent 3 of them.
Jun 16 09:56:38 <Dibblah> ... Admittedly, they sent 3 because I ordered 3.
Jun 16 09:56:48 <ShadowJK> I'd get one of those but I'm worried about the extra thickness :)
Jun 16 09:57:10 <Dibblah> Not really an issue.
Jun 16 09:57:14 <Dibblah> It fits just fine.
Jun 16 09:58:03 <ShadowJK> Worried extra pressure is a contributing factor to the "crossed out sim" plague :)
Jun 16 09:58:04 <Dibblah> The humorous part to me is it's marked as a 1420mAh cell.
Jun 16 09:59:10 <ShadowJK> Well, bq27200 measures down to 3248mV and assumes there's 6% left, which isn't necessarily the case..
Jun 16 09:59:11 <DocScrutinizer> shouldn't there be no pressure to SIM holder at all, from battery
Jun 16 09:59:15 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Jun 16 09:59:34 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, the sim holder is probably not relevant
Jun 16 09:59:44 <DocScrutinizer> aah
Jun 16 10:00:22 <Dibblah> It is slightly heavier, which I find interesting.
Jun 16 10:00:25 <ShadowJK> in dmesg it looked like cellmo was crashing or the data lines between cellmo and omap glitching
Jun 16 10:00:53 <Dibblah> Normal cell - 27.13g. New cell - 30.64g.
Jun 16 10:01:28 <Khertan_> ShadowJK: qtmobility run all sensor if dev do nawak ... else only things asked by the dev
Jun 16 10:01:29 <ShadowJK> So typical Nokia soldering + periodic warping/bending + internal temp 60C == cellmo coming loose almost like musb port? :)
Jun 16 10:01:33 * ShadowJK is just guessing
Jun 16 10:02:02 <ShadowJK> "nawak"?
Jun 16 10:02:05 <RST38h> How do you BEND the freaking N900 board?
Jun 16 10:02:11 <RST38h> During operation?
Jun 16 10:02:17 <jaska> telekinesis
Jun 16 10:02:26 <RST38h> + N900 rarely exceeds 37oC
Jun 16 10:02:56 <DocScrutinizer> haha
Jun 16 10:03:06 <Khertan_> ShadowJK: nawak ... hum sorry a french argo words ... == stupid things
Jun 16 10:03:13 <Khertan_> stupid unlogical things
Jun 16 10:03:13 <Khertan_> :)
Jun 16 10:03:25 <DocScrutinizer> oh tepco
Jun 16 10:03:25 <ShadowJK> RST38h, mine hit 60C in car when on charger, running navigation, streaming internet radio over hspa to car radio over fmtx :-)
Jun 16 10:03:33 <ruskie> hehe
Jun 16 10:03:35 <ruskie> insane setup
Jun 16 10:03:43 <RST38h> ShadowJK: Uh!
Jun 16 10:03:45 <DocScrutinizer> ~tepco
Jun 16 10:03:45 <Khertan_> RST38h: else if you let it in your car like me ... it hit 70C and battery was killed
Jun 16 10:03:46 <infobot> 'tepco' (1 of 2): sth especially stupid or messed up; "this construction is completely tepco"; "please stop behaving tepco"
Jun 16 10:04:10 <RST38h> ShadowJK: Mine got really hot only once - getting some torrents overnight, before qwerty12 fixed the throttling 
Jun 16 10:04:26 <RST38h> Khertan; No way I am leaving the Precious in my car!
Jun 16 10:04:43 <ShadowJK> it was like 700-900mA power consumption for 3 hours :P
Jun 16 10:04:48 <Khertan_> using pylint on large source code can also make it hot
Jun 16 10:04:59 <Khertan_> and drain battery in less than 30min
Jun 16 10:05:15 <ShadowJK> btw, it was awesome. The music paused for the naigation instructions, and then resumed. through car speakers :)
Jun 16 10:05:23 <robbiethe1st> Leaving mbarcode open, at 1ghz can also make it hot ;)
Jun 16 10:05:26 <Khertan_> RST38h: i ve two precious. ... and i forgot one in the car :)
Jun 16 10:05:35 <ShadowJK> draining battery in 30 minutes is kinda impossible
Jun 16 10:05:43 <Khertan_> ShadowJK: it is !
Jun 16 10:05:51 <Khertan_> ShadowJK: i do it more than one time
Jun 16 10:06:11 <ShadowJK> Largest drain I've been able to get was about 1250mA, which still runs for almost an hour
Jun 16 10:06:21 <edheldil> I have to buy car charger for mine. My old charger is unable to make it charge
Jun 16 10:06:21 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Jun 16 10:06:25 <DocScrutinizer> NO way
Jun 16 10:06:29 <Khertan_> put large source code on the sd card
Jun 16 10:06:38 <Khertan_> and use pylint to check it
Jun 16 10:06:55 <ShadowJK> khertan, are you aware that battery icon shows full until 50% or so :)
Jun 16 10:07:03 <DocScrutinizer> battery has 4.9Wh, which means your device would melt away at ~10W
Jun 16 10:07:40 <ShadowJK> your battery probably wasn't full to start with.. or then you have one of those cheap ebay batteries that say 1930mAh but actually have 600mAh
Jun 16 10:08:15 <Dibblah> Just measured. Old cell - 5.56mm x 60.00mm x 37.8mm    New cell - 5.95mm x 60.00mm x 37.8mm
Jun 16 10:08:16 <DocScrutinizer> I think there's no way to go <90min, unless you find a way to short the battery or make some chips desolder themselves
Jun 16 10:08:24 <Dibblah> So the only difference is .5mm in thickness.
Jun 16 10:08:31 <Dibblah> That's including all labels, etc.
Jun 16 10:09:10 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, I wonder where battery protection chip cuts off for overcurrent?
Jun 16 10:09:24 <DocScrutinizer> some 2..3A
Jun 16 10:09:43 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
Jun 16 10:11:12 <DocScrutinizer> some simply cut out on V(vlow) on internal resistance
Jun 16 10:12:11 <DocScrutinizer> I mean you got internal impedance of cell, plus PTC
Jun 16 10:12:38 <DocScrutinizer> easy to bomb that down to <3.0V
Jun 16 10:12:46 <Dibblah> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-XfAG8C6LhTk/TfnWrFtP1FI/AAAAAAAABhY/3rAq6afFcbk/s800/20110616_001b.jpg
Jun 16 10:12:56 <Dibblah> Picture of the insane presentation case.
Jun 16 10:13:53 * DocScrutinizer drools over MX... while glaring on the disassembled twin here
Jun 16 10:14:14 <Dibblah> That's the GF (not grapefruit)'s MX.
Jun 16 10:14:27 <DocScrutinizer> ~nuke OMRON switches and whole OMRON
Jun 16 10:14:27 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at OMRON switches and whole OMRON ... B☢☢M!
Jun 16 10:14:39 <Dibblah> I now have the Performance MX (Now with Less Features!)
Jun 16 10:15:08 <Dibblah> I was actually expecting the Performance MX to work as a USB mouse when USB tethered :(
Jun 16 10:16:05 <DocScrutinizer> I mean, how bad is THAT - sell a 80EUR mouse and use 20ct crap switches that are known to break after 2 years of normal use for everybody
Jun 16 10:17:34 * DocScrutinizer utters curses against logitech
Jun 16 10:23:59 <gomiam> DocScrutinizer: hey, if you can spend 80 euros on a mouse now, you can do it again in two years. If you can't you should have bought the 40 euro one :P
Jun 16 10:24:52 <Khertan_> ShadowJK: i didn't use this ebay cheap battery
Jun 16 10:25:21 <Khertan_> ShadowJK: and battery was fully charged according to the green led :)
Jun 16 10:57:18 <DocScrutinizer51> Khertan_: I used all tricks I could figure to crank up discharging (except overclocking), and I could"mt get down to 1h with normal bat worth of discharge current
Jun 16 10:57:58 <DocScrutinizer51> 30min for eating 5Wh is mere impossible
Jun 16 11:01:36 <Khertan_> DocScrutinizer51: maybe i should check my battery so
Jun 16 11:03:03 <Khertan_> DocScrutinizer51: the battery is inflated .... 2 or 3 mm
Jun 16 11:03:05 <Khertan_> :(
Jun 16 11:03:09 <DocScrutinizer> there's been a report about somebody killing his battery due to overheating by iirc transcoding a video on OC
Jun 16 11:03:24 <DocScrutinizer> even that took longer than 30min I think
Jun 16 11:03:54 <Khertan_> DocScrutinizer: mine probably got some trouble the day i forgot my n900 in the car
Jun 16 11:04:07 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan_: so dispose it somewhere where explosions won't damage anything (no kidding)
Jun 16 11:04:26 <DocScrutinizer> definitely
Jun 16 11:04:27 <cloudyLights> DocScrutinizer: my freind manage to break his usb connector in his N900
Jun 16 11:04:31 <Khertan_> DocScrutinizer: i ll give it to seller when i ll buy a new one
Jun 16 11:04:47 <Khertan_> 55Euros ... pfff
Jun 16 11:04:52 <cloudyLights> I remeber you gave a lot of advice on how to replace the connector
Jun 16 11:05:17 <mece> There's a danger with lithium batteries if they've bloated on overheating while discharging, they might catch fire if you recharge them.
Jun 16 11:05:24 <mece> careful with that.
Jun 16 11:06:03 <Khertan_> mece: i know i see some really dangerous things with more powerfull laptop battery
Jun 16 11:07:55 <Khertan_> mece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJCZ4ayioCU
Jun 16 11:08:27 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan_: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10107
Jun 16 11:08:38 <haj> Okay.. Looks like i'm out regarding to N900... 
Jun 16 11:08:52 <haj> "   Please kindly be informed that N900 swap units are not available any more
Jun 16 11:08:53 <haj>    and the official replacement swap units of N900 is N8. Therefore you
Jun 16 11:08:53 <haj>    received this model, please do not send back the device."
Jun 16 11:09:39 <DocScrutinizer> WTF??
Jun 16 11:10:00 <kerio> ¿qué?
Jun 16 11:10:09 <DocScrutinizer> insist in a maemo device!
Jun 16 11:10:34 <Khertan_> haj: ? We didn't have anymore n900 unit available we will send you a Nokia 321
Jun 16 11:10:36 <kerio> hold on, that's just for the time of replace, right?
Jun 16 11:10:37 <Khertan_> haj: ? We didn't have anymore n900 unit available we will send you a Nokia 3210
Jun 16 11:10:41 <Khertan_> lol
Jun 16 11:10:43 <Juozapas> hi is it possible to connect n900 to internet cable via "lan port - microUsb" cable or some other way (not wifi)? 
Jun 16 11:10:48 <kerio> i mean, you get your repaired n900 back eventually
Jun 16 11:10:50 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, insuline is out. Here, take some aspirin instead
Jun 16 11:12:57 <DocScrutinizer> Juozapas: please check http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65570&page=26  and   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232&page=83, both backwards until you find relating posts
Jun 16 11:13:18 <Juozapas> thx
Jun 16 11:14:31 <DocScrutinizer> haj: I'd not accept such nonsense
Jun 16 11:14:59 <DocScrutinizer> they mustn't steal your N900 :-((
Jun 16 11:15:26 <haj> I'm calling them already..
Jun 16 11:16:50 <Juozapas> DocScrutinizer: but it looks like those topics are about connecting n900 to computer via usb cable and then taking internet from him or something like that.. i have only internet cable in my room and want to connect my n900 to the internet, i dont have any other hardware par example
Jun 16 11:16:53 <DocScrutinizer> well, maybe if you get a new N8, just maybe you can sell on ebaeh and get enough money to buy a used N900. But then OTOH they should give back your defect N900 plus enough money so you could buy a used one or even new one wherever you find
Jun 16 11:17:36 <DocScrutinizer> Juozapas: not at all, friend.  not at all. this is about H-E-N
Jun 16 11:17:52 <DocScrutinizer> ~hostmode
Jun 16 11:17:52 <infobot> [hostmode] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232
Jun 16 11:18:02 <Juozapas> k i will read it
Jun 16 11:21:03 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1020765&postcount=815
Jun 16 11:23:04 <Juozapas> DocScrutinizer: :D thx
Jun 16 11:23:19 <shark_eye> Has anyone tried building apps for maemo using opencv?
Jun 16 11:24:58 <haj> shitheads...
Jun 16 11:25:28 <haj> DocScrutinizer: I can get a new N900 on the web.. thing is it costs 1/3 more than a N8..
Jun 16 11:25:57 <haj> and noone wants a N8 so I can't sell it..
Jun 16 11:26:03 <DocScrutinizer> Juozapas: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=990174&highlight=ethernet#post990174
Jun 16 11:28:43 <Dibblah> A "new" N900?
Jun 16 11:28:55 <Dibblah> I thought production stopped some significant time ago...
Jun 16 11:32:33 <Juozapas> one more question... is it possible to download all map of europe (or some region) to use map without internet connection? now im travelling a bit and when i go to new city (that i never tried to look on map program) it shows me only green background because program can't download streets information.. i hope you understand what i'm talking about
Jun 16 11:33:01 <cloudyLights> you can do it with a windows pc
Jun 16 11:33:06 <Juozapas> im using default ovi maps
Jun 16 11:33:42 <Juozapas> f*ck.. i have only ubuntu netbook with me and i left my usb cable at home too
Jun 16 11:37:15 <haj> stupid fucking assholes..
Jun 16 11:37:27 <ruskie> there is some howto for the ovi stuff iirc
Jun 16 11:37:27 <Appiah> O_o?
Jun 16 11:37:36 <ruskie> how to get all the maps for offline use
Jun 16 11:37:42 <andre__> haj: got problems?
Jun 16 11:37:51 <Appiah> ovi maps? dont think there is a offline feature
Jun 16 11:38:28 <edheldil> Juozapas:  http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c
Jun 16 11:38:53 <andre__> ruskie, see the links in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9542
Jun 16 11:38:55 <povbot> 04Bug 9542: Pre-download maps without MSWindows machine + Maps downloader
Jun 16 11:39:08 <haj> andre__: Yes.
Jun 16 11:39:13 <haj> andre__: If you didn't see it:
Jun 16 11:39:14 <haj>    Hi
Jun 16 11:39:14 <haj>    Please kindly be informed that N900 swap units are not available any more
Jun 16 11:39:14 <haj>    and the official replacement swap units of N900 is N8. Therefore you
Jun 16 11:39:14 <haj>    received this model, please do not send back the device.
Jun 16 11:39:16 <haj>    Thank you!
Jun 16 11:39:19 <haj>    Best regards,
Jun 16 11:39:21 <haj>    Dóra
Jun 16 11:39:25 <Appiah> hhaha
Jun 16 11:39:29 <Appiah> where did you buy it?
Jun 16 11:39:30 <andre__> haj: uh. didn't see. thanks :-/
Jun 16 11:40:02 <ruskie> haj, hmm I think I'd go to court for that
Jun 16 11:41:00 <haj> I think I would too..
Jun 16 11:41:00 <ruskie> you can't replace a device with an inferior product
Jun 16 11:41:22 <haj> The least they could do is promise me a N950 when it's released.. or something..
Jun 16 11:41:54 <haj> I can't use a N8 for anything.. it's not even heavy enough for a decent paperweight..
Jun 16 11:43:11 <kerio> so tell them to give you a n900 or to stfu
Jun 16 11:43:42 <ruskie> usually they repair centers atleast around here tend to try and go the path of least resistance
Jun 16 11:43:52 <ruskie> but as soon you slam them they'll comply
Jun 16 11:46:43 <psycho_oreos> some bloke the other day had his N900 swapped for n8
Jun 16 11:47:13 <psycho_oreos> came into maemo channel posting link to his home made n8 usb hostmode or something
Jun 16 11:47:40 <RST38h> Does'nt N8 have host mode by default?
Jun 16 11:47:59 <psycho_oreos> *shrugs* its symbian.. enough said :)
Jun 16 11:49:19 <MohammadAG> OTG
Jun 16 11:52:22 <kerio> doensn't the N8 have otg?
Jun 16 11:52:31 <kerio> ty MohammadAG
Jun 16 11:53:29 <haj> Who cares what the N8 has... it's inferior..as ruskie said..
Jun 16 11:53:47 <MohammadAG> <ruskie> haj, hmm I think I'd go to court for that ++
Jun 16 11:54:01 <psycho_oreos> that's what I said before to that bloke, I'd sue them
Jun 16 11:54:18 <psycho_oreos> err not haj, another person
Jun 16 11:54:22 <MohammadAG> either fix my N900 or send it back and I'll fix it myself
Jun 16 11:54:51 <MohammadAG> taking my N900 and sending me an N8 without permission is basically stealing my device
Jun 16 11:54:59 <psycho_oreos> send it back without any extra charges or damages
Jun 16 11:55:17 <MohammadAG> exactly
Jun 16 11:55:27 <MohammadAG> I wonder why Nokia dropped the N900's support
Jun 16 11:55:40 <MohammadAG> the way they "treated" it is worse than all other device
Jun 16 11:55:41 <MohammadAG> s
Jun 16 11:56:20 <nid0> legally, you'd need a very friendly judge to get anywhere via court though
Jun 16 11:56:32 <psycho_oreos> and owners have to cop the blunt end of it ironically.. even though it costs money to purchase the device in the first place
Jun 16 11:57:04 <ruskie> nid0, it might be enough to simply get a lawyer to nicely phrase something
Jun 16 11:57:26 <ruskie> no need to actually go to court in the end... they probably don't want the mess anyway
Jun 16 11:57:34 <psycho_oreos> I'm sure properly phrased terms could easily rule out a win
Jun 16 11:57:43 <psycho_oreos> err loss
Jun 16 11:57:46 <ruskie> hell they might even return it if politely asked
Jun 16 11:58:04 <psycho_oreos> symbian isn't maemo, nor is it vice-versa. Period
Jun 16 11:58:23 <psycho_oreos> Its like swapping a Merc for Toyota
Jun 16 11:58:23 <nid0> they might, but at the end of the day you will still end up with a broken n900 and no fix or replacement
Jun 16 11:58:49 <ruskie> nid0, we aren't talking about getting it fixed or replaced... just that they swapped it out without any consulting really
Jun 16 11:59:05 <ruskie> nobody said... sure I'll take the N8 as a replacement for the N900
Jun 16 11:59:10 <nid0> yeah, exactly as the warranty terms agreed-to by sending the device to them undoubtedly say they will
Jun 16 11:59:30 <ruskie> well they can swap it out for an equal or better device
Jun 16 11:59:31 <ruskie> usually
Jun 16 11:59:33 <nid0> if a device is unfixable, theyll replace it with a new one if available, or a pre-approved alternative if not
Jun 16 11:59:52 <ruskie> well if it's not the same device I want a call and be consulted
Jun 16 11:59:55 <psycho_oreos> depending on the owner's connections (via people), they can either get it fixed by someone else or they'll have to tackle it themselves. Either way, I would never want a n8 as a `swap device', even if it was given to me for free I wouldn't even want it
Jun 16 12:00:45 <nid0> personally, I wouldnt see the problem in selling the brand shiny new n8, buying myself another n900, and pocketing the difference
Jun 16 12:00:50 <nid0> win-win for me
Jun 16 12:00:54 <RST38h> Mohammad: To be fair, N900 is not the only handset Nokia has been unwilling to support
Jun 16 12:01:16 <ruskie> nid0, is the N8 pricier than a N900 ?
Jun 16 12:01:20 <nid0> yes
Jun 16 12:01:21 <nid0> much
Jun 16 12:01:27 <ruskie> that would work
Jun 16 12:01:48 <psycho_oreos> n8 is nowhere near the equivalent of n900: no hardware keyboard, possible locked boot loader, doesn't have 32GB onboard and runs some other OS　that one wouldn't generally be happy with if they want linux
Jun 16 12:01:53 <ruskie> frankly I'd ask them to refund me for the cost of it being broken and add a bit extra
Jun 16 12:01:56 <nid0> you can get n900's for like £250 now, new n8's are generally somewhere around £400
Jun 16 12:02:09 <ruskie> and have a spare n900 for parts
Jun 16 12:02:56 <ruskie> and considering there is a 2 year warranty period on it I would expect they support it for 2 years
Jun 16 12:03:05 <ruskie> not start swapping it out for alternatives after 18 months
Jun 16 12:03:19 <psycho_oreos> alternatives for the equivalent
Jun 16 12:03:46 <jaska> they have no equivalent
Jun 16 12:03:50 <psycho_oreos> s/for/or/
Jun 16 12:03:51 <infobot> psycho_oreos meant: alternatives or the equivalent
Jun 16 12:04:23 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
Jun 16 12:04:24 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: thanks
Jun 16 12:04:27 <psycho_oreos> jaska, apparently they're claiming N900's equivalent would be n8, or at least when they have to fix user's broken device
Jun 16 12:04:49 <ruskie> haj, is this from nokia directly or some official nokia repair center?
Jun 16 12:05:05 <DocScrutinizer> well, both start with N, and the first digit is only one apart
Jun 16 12:05:14 <DocScrutinizer> ;-P
Jun 16 12:05:17 <jaska> psycho: ok, hope my n900 lasts till something good comes along :)
Jun 16 12:05:36 * ruskie is hoping for 6 years life out of his n900
Jun 16 12:05:38 <psycho_oreos> or you can also look at n95, starts with N, and is missing one digit :p
Jun 16 12:05:39 * DocScrutinizer honestly considers getting a third device
Jun 16 12:05:49 <psycho_oreos> jaska, only time will tell :/
Jun 16 12:05:53 <ruskie> I still haven't gotten a second one
Jun 16 12:05:58 <ruskie> I really should
Jun 16 12:06:03 <MohammadAG> <RST38h> Mohammad: To be fair, N900 is not the only handset Nokia has been unwilling to support
Jun 16 12:06:09 <MohammadAG> yeah I can see that, but why?
Jun 16 12:06:14 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, got two already? nice, that makes the third actual person that I know whom owns more than one N900
Jun 16 12:06:22 <DocScrutinizer> was it this chan where I told about the 2 N900 I've seen in a shop, used
Jun 16 12:06:38 <DocScrutinizer> last night I passed by same shop, bot were gone
Jun 16 12:06:45 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, plainly put, the N8 is boring after 2 days
Jun 16 12:06:45 <psycho_oreos> :o
Jun 16 12:06:55 <MohammadAG> also the low screen res actually makes a difference
Jun 16 12:06:57 <ruskie> hmm ~200eur for the cheapest n900 second hame new in box
Jun 16 12:07:31 <ruskie> hmm interesting... someone is interested in exchanging a galaxy s for a n900 on an e72
Jun 16 12:07:48 <ruskie> s/on/or/
Jun 16 12:07:48 <infobot> ruskie meant: hmm interesting... someore is interested in exchanging a galaxy s for a n900 on an e72
Jun 16 12:07:49 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, n8, better yet its a dead end for any maemo tinkerer :)
Jun 16 12:08:07 <RST38h> Mohammad: They are a hardware company
Jun 16 12:08:23 <MohammadAG> Nokia? Nope, they weren't
Jun 16 12:08:26 <RST38h> Mohammad: They want you to buy phones as often as possible, thus planned obsolenscence
Jun 16 12:08:52 <MohammadAG> RST38h, the Nokia 5800 still gets updates every now and then
Jun 16 12:08:52 <RST38h> Mohammad: Besides, stuff like N76 was just so badly design, in such a rush, that they would have to recall all 100% of these
Jun 16 12:09:13 <RST38h> Mohammad: Because Nokia is still selling a shitload of 5800-derived models, the total number is about 8
Jun 16 12:09:20 <psycho_oreos> or that 1100 incident?
Jun 16 12:09:31 <RST38h> Mohammad: 5800 is far from dead. It is their low cost smartphone
Jun 16 12:09:48 <ruskie> hmm I wonder if I have any spare 250 eur burning in my pocket next month...
Jun 16 12:10:18 <psycho_oreos> ruskie, still planning to get new one?
Jun 16 12:10:21 <ruskie> yup
Jun 16 12:11:01 <psycho_oreos> *nods* probably better that way, I got myself a second hand one (which seller insisted brand new).. was pissed but oh well
Jun 16 12:11:13 <ruskie> well second hand new in box
Jun 16 12:11:23 <ruskie> stuff that people got with their cell phone contracts
Jun 16 12:11:28 <ruskie> and are now selling
Jun 16 12:11:57 <ruskie> I will have to ask to see how much a new one costs though
Jun 16 12:11:59 <FIQ|n900> Seriously
Jun 16 12:12:04 <ruskie> ?
Jun 16 12:12:36 <FIQ|n900> I've never liked these "PC suite" stuff for any of my previous phones. or this one
Jun 16 12:12:44 <ruskie> hahaha
Jun 16 12:12:45 <psycho_oreos> be aware or those weird stuff they put in, like for instance a non-genuine USB->uUSB cable (mine lasted me two or so days before it fails to even work properly) and that wired headset with extra buttons
Jun 16 12:12:49 <ruskie> I never used pc/ovi suite
Jun 16 12:12:59 <jaska> wc suite
Jun 16 12:13:05 <psycho_oreos> wc?
Jun 16 12:13:06 <haj> ruskie: Nokia's main repairshop...
Jun 16 12:13:12 <psycho_oreos> watercloset?
Jun 16 12:13:14 <FIQ|n900> For some reason - and this count for EVERY SINGLE PHONE OR CARRIER - Internet part of it NEVER works properly
Jun 16 12:13:16 <jaska> psycho: yeah
Jun 16 12:13:20 <haj> ruskie: Guess they only have one in Europe
Jun 16 12:13:20 <psycho_oreos> jaska, lol
Jun 16 12:13:21 <ruskie> psycho_oreos, naahh this are official in box everything as bought crap... 
Jun 16 12:13:22 <FIQ|n900> If it works, I'm lucky
Jun 16 12:13:30 <FIQ|n900> But usually I'm not
Jun 16 12:13:38 <psycho_oreos> ruskie, *nods*
Jun 16 12:13:43 <ruskie> haj, hmm well try contacting them to get your original device back
Jun 16 12:14:05 <FIQ|n900> It just states "something's wrong, maybe your phone is damaged? :("
Jun 16 12:14:14 <FIQ|n900> It NEVER states anything useful
Jun 16 12:14:18 <haj> ruskie: it's broken
Jun 16 12:14:20 <FIQ|n900> like exactly why it fails
Jun 16 12:14:25 <FIQ|n900> or where
Jun 16 12:14:48 <ruskie> haj, or contact your local consumer protection agency... they might be able to advise you if you can do anything
Jun 16 12:15:01 <psycho_oreos> they dumbed it down for the average joe. Gives them the excuse to have joe getting it fixed
Jun 16 12:15:04 <ruskie> either legaly or even talk with them
Jun 16 12:15:09 <FIQ|n900> And reconfiguring the thing never help - if it works, it works, if not, too bad
Jun 16 12:15:20 <ruskie> haj, you could always get it repaired somewhere else
Jun 16 12:15:22 <haj> okay.. they have told me that I have to contact the dealer that sold the device...
Jun 16 12:15:25 * RST38h finally conquered Android's NativeActivity
Jun 16 12:15:32 <RST38h> Can now pass arguments to it!
Jun 16 12:16:02 <RST38h> Any poor souls with 2.3 Androids willing to be my guinea pigs?
Jun 16 12:16:06 <MohammadAG> qmltube runs so well on a PC
Jun 16 12:16:22 <haj> they actually still have N900 in stock.. N8 costs DKR 2.695,-, and N900 costs 3.249,- ..
Jun 16 12:16:25 <ruskie> haj, probably to see if the dealer can replace it under warranty(I'm assuming it's still under warranty)...
Jun 16 12:16:34 <haj> it is... 
Jun 16 12:16:44 <FIQ|n900> haj, they discovered that N900 was useful :)
Jun 16 12:16:55 <haj> I don't know if the warranty is reset when they give me a N8 ?
Jun 16 12:17:00 <FIQ|n900> anyway, is there alternatives to this crappy nokia PC suite?
Jun 16 12:17:07 <ruskie> haj, it should be... for the N8
Jun 16 12:17:11 <RST38h> Alternatives for doing what?
Jun 16 12:17:14 <ruskie> FIQ|n900, what are you trying to actually do?
Jun 16 12:17:26 <ruskie> haj, since it's a new device the warranty should start from then
Jun 16 12:17:29 <FIQ|n900> use N900 as a modem
Jun 16 12:17:39 <psycho_oreos> FIQ|n900, under windows?
Jun 16 12:17:40 <FIQ|n900> because i'm not home atm, etc
Jun 16 12:17:41 <ruskie> usb networking under windows...
Jun 16 12:17:42 <haj> ruskie: The N900 (that is proberbly scrap by now) is still under warranty until 12/2011
Jun 16 12:17:50 <FIQ|n900> currently, yes
Jun 16 12:17:52 <nid0> you can just set it up manually, using bluetooth at least
Jun 16 12:18:03 <ruskie> there is a usb network driver for windows as well
Jun 16 12:18:06 <nid0> i've never gotten usb tethering to work properly though
Jun 16 12:18:28 <ruskie> haj, irrelevant for the N900... the warranty is based on the new device... and usually needs to be reissued if the device is replaced
Jun 16 12:18:38 <FIQ|n900> ruskie, but it worked just for some weeks ago, it's just... pc suite says i fail D:
Jun 16 12:18:52 <ruskie> pc suite has always been a broken PoS
Jun 16 12:18:54 <nid0> yeah pc suite is like that
Jun 16 12:20:04 <FIQ|n900> well, I'm unable to connect to internet at all with the computers... so drivers, I would have to download manually and transfer over :p
Jun 16 12:20:12 <FIQ|n900> the computer*
Jun 16 12:20:21 <ruskie> FIQ|n900, got linux sources anywhere around?
Jun 16 12:20:25 <ruskie> the driver is included
Jun 16 12:20:37 <FIQ|n900> i have linux as well
Jun 16 12:20:46 <ruskie> specifically linux kernel sources
Jun 16 12:20:48 <FIQ|n900> if that would work better
Jun 16 12:20:55 <FIQ|n900> hmm
Jun 16 12:20:58 <ruskie> linux usb networking should work fine
Jun 16 12:21:04 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I don't understand why Nokia doesn't run another batch of N900. Manuf is cheap, once you got all set up correctly, and I guess they could get all the parts still
Jun 16 12:21:07 <ruskie> load tho modules
Jun 16 12:21:34 <ruskie> setup forwarding on the n900(you'll probably need to do some NATing so iptables)
Jun 16 12:21:38 * FIQ|n900 takes a look
Jun 16 12:21:48 <ruskie> there is a wiki page for this as well iirc
Jun 16 12:21:57 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, they probably lost interest.. kinda like a hyperactive kid who gets bored real quickly ;)
Jun 16 12:22:12 <DocScrutinizer> seems like
Jun 16 12:23:04 <DocScrutinizer> sure N900 isn't a cashcow for them, but it'd help keep them in business for at least a while
Jun 16 12:23:10 <ruskie> or some symbian product manager sent out a memo to mess up the maemo team...
Jun 16 12:23:47 <MohammadAG> if only they pushed maemo and killed Symbian
Jun 16 12:23:51 <ruskie> yup
Jun 16 12:23:53 <DocScrutinizer> you typically don't need a team to run a sequel batch
Jun 16 12:24:22 <psycho_oreos> however this is nokia we're talking about :) and they're trying to cut costs whereever they see fit
Jun 16 12:24:54 <FIQ|n900> if only they didn't throw MeeGo out randomly after spending huge amount of money on it
Jun 16 12:25:04 <psycho_oreos> ditched maemo, killed symbian, watches meego and promises to release wp7... good one nokia
Jun 16 12:25:12 <FIQ|n900> (sure meego still something for them, but not much)
Jun 16 12:25:13 <MohammadAG> they didn't throw it out
Jun 16 12:25:29 <psycho_oreos> they're not officially supporting it however it seems
Jun 16 12:25:29 <ruskie> they relegated it to long term R&D so basically same thing maemo was
Jun 16 12:25:39 <MohammadAG> they should just FOSS'd maemo and continued on that
Jun 16 12:25:41 <cloudyLights> MohammadAG: are you also in tel aviv this weekend?
Jun 16 12:25:43 <MohammadAG> no need for MeeGo
Jun 16 12:25:43 <haj> ruskie: They could replace it with a android device.. that would be less annoying... Even though I like maemo..
Jun 16 12:25:51 <ruskie> they don't have those
Jun 16 12:25:53 <haj> ruskie: but since Nokia doesnt do android ;)
Jun 16 12:25:54 <MohammadAG> cloudyLights, nope, Jerusalem
Jun 16 12:26:09 <ruskie> seriously though... nokia should have difersified more...
Jun 16 12:26:15 <ruskie> even take on android devices
Jun 16 12:26:33 <RST38h> ruskie: you should say that to the board once you become Nokia's CEO
Jun 16 12:26:39 <ruskie> hehe
Jun 16 12:27:21 <ruskie> it's simple logic... do I want the punter going to HTC/Samsung/etc... for the device with this OS which the punter wants OR do I want the punter to buy MY hardware with that OS...
Jun 16 12:28:00 <RST38h> ruskie: You should tell that to the Marketing department once you become Nokia's CEO
Jun 16 12:28:11 <RST38h> BTW, 99% of customers do not know what "OS" means
Jun 16 12:28:27 <ruskie> yet 99% of customers buy that shiny 'droid thing
Jun 16 12:28:30 <psycho_oreos> its either be the black sheep or follow the herd. Elop chose to follow the herd even though that makes him in an unfavourable position just to satisfy his closest peers.　Had he chose to be the black sheep amongst the herd he might have found the winner in the bigger picture
Jun 16 12:28:45 <RST38h> Because there are more models to select from and because it works for them
Jun 16 12:28:54 <RST38h> They probably do not know what it runs, or want to know
Jun 16 12:28:57 <Khertan_> RST38h: no they didn't know what os mean, but they know what is an iPhone and a Android Phone
Jun 16 12:29:11 <RST38h> Khertan: true, too
Jun 16 12:29:29 <psycho_oreos> you can't not know iPhone lol
Jun 16 12:29:33 <RST38h> Elop has chosen the third option and become the black goat.
Jun 16 12:29:46 <Khertan_> RST38h: it wasn't an option
Jun 16 12:30:15 <Khertan_> RST38h: he is trying to create the third option ... probably some cashback somewhere
Jun 16 12:30:20 <psycho_oreos> if he chose the third option, he'd probably be facing a possible sack by the board of directors
Jun 16 12:30:45 <RST38h> Khertan: Ok, so he has made Nokia a *sacrificial* black goat.
Jun 16 12:30:54 <cloudyLights> MohammadAG: do you need a 2400mAh battary for your N900?
Jun 16 12:31:05 <psycho_oreos> so far there's no news indicating there's a bounty on Elop's head from board of directors :)
Jun 16 12:31:08 <Khertan_> did there us also ex ms people at the board ?
Jun 16 12:31:09 <cloudyLights> I ordered two by mistake
Jun 16 12:31:12 <MohammadAG> Mugen? nah, I have 4 1320 ones :p
Jun 16 12:31:19 <RST38h> Khertan: At the end of the year, they will slash its throat, let it bleed, collect the booty and leave
Jun 16 12:31:21 <MohammadAG> oh, how much?
Jun 16 12:31:23 <Khertan_> s/us/is
Jun 16 12:32:19 <Khertan_> the only thing we can hope is a failure of WinPhone
Jun 16 12:32:27 <Khertan_> and few sell
Jun 16 12:32:29 <cloudyLights> a freind of a freind bricked his N900 while trying to put android on it
Jun 16 12:32:41 <psycho_oreos> RST38h, and nokia's board of directors would have stupidly agreed to sacrifice the brand itself?
Jun 16 12:33:00 <cloudyLights> did anyone here use jtag to revive an N900?
Jun 16 12:33:01 <ruskie> psycho_oreos, for enough money I think most would
Jun 16 12:33:10 <cloudyLights> this may be a chance to buy it for less
Jun 16 12:33:27 <cloudyLights> how to un-brick a N900?
Jun 16 12:33:28 <RST38h> psycho: Dunno, depends on who elects them there
Jun 16 12:33:42 <Khertan_> cloudyLights: ^^Topic
Jun 16 12:33:49 <cloudyLights> ~topic
Jun 16 12:33:51 <psycho_oreos> ruskie, true, money buys them almost anything these days.. even power :|
Jun 16 12:34:03 <RST38h> Eldar Murtazin, in the meantime, has switched to loud denials of any quality problems with Samsung SGS2 phones
Jun 16 12:34:22 <RST38h> I wonder why such an abrupt change of direction =)
Jun 16 12:34:43 <psycho_oreos> RST38h, I don't know who votes them there but if it wasn't for the money I'm sure the board of directors wouldn't have been that boring to axe the long established brand name *shrugs*
Jun 16 12:34:59 <ruskie> I thought the board is voted in by stockholders?
Jun 16 12:35:26 <cloudyLights> o ok
Jun 16 12:35:30 <cloudyLights> sorry
Jun 16 12:35:46 <Khertan_> psycho_oreos: except with some cash
Jun 16 12:35:54 <Khertan_> the me me me syndrom
Jun 16 12:36:15 <psycho_oreos> khertan, portion, but yes ruskie pointed that out earlier.　Money just walks the walk
Jun 16 12:36:16 <ruskie> sadly the me me me syndrom is spreading lately :(
Jun 16 12:36:30 <haj> I wonder what they tell people that have paid for software for their N900's when they replace it with a N8?
Jun 16 12:36:54 <psycho_oreos> unapologetically sorry? ;)
Jun 16 12:36:57 <ruskie> haj, probably something along the line of: suck it
Jun 16 12:37:29 <ruskie> I always tend to go to the shop where I bought the device for warranty
Jun 16 12:37:43 <ruskie> a lot of times they'll just replace it for a new unit and send the old one to be repaired
Jun 16 12:37:52 <haj> ruskie: I guess so... Sygic doesn't offer replacement licenses
Jun 16 12:37:58 <haj> for one
Jun 16 12:38:02 <psycho_oreos> sure enough, not all maemo users are average joe who'd only use a phone as it is. Have a look at what Sony had to face for pissing its own clientele off
Jun 16 12:38:05 <Khertan_> http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/corporate-governance/board-of-directors <<< doesn't seem uptodate
Jun 16 12:38:20 <ruskie> psycho_oreos, frankly Sony hasn't really pissed me off
Jun 16 12:38:35 <ruskie> but I'm probably in the minority
Jun 16 12:39:00 <Khertan_> ruskie: you are
Jun 16 12:39:12 * Khertan_ boycott sony products
Jun 16 12:39:31 <psycho_oreos> ruskie, in general Sony's PS3 lines were the ones that pissed that niche linux community off :). Those are the ones I'm talking about. They are essentially the worker bees that Sony decided to axe their hive and think they could get away with it
Jun 16 12:39:45 <ruskie> ahh
Jun 16 12:40:01 <ruskie> Khertan_, due to?
Jun 16 12:40:14 * ruskie is interested in such reasons
Jun 16 12:40:25 <cloudyLights> ~seen lardman
Jun 16 12:40:28 <infobot> lardman <~lardman@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 17h 21m 47s ago, saying: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13759612'.
Jun 16 12:40:54 <Khertan_> ruskie: products dying one month after warranty, repairing a camera take 6 month without compensation
Jun 16 12:41:08 <e0525417> I'm running kernel-power's "ideal". When I just do "kernel-config limits 500 900" and save as new profile, will the voltages be adjusted to the recommended values accordingly?
Jun 16 12:41:35 <psycho_oreos> in some cases I'd like to think that its more or less the same scenario here. There's already a small hacker community on maemo customising maemo in ways that nokia probably never thought possible. Nokia decides to behead the development, hopefully nokia will get its dosage of pissed off hackers ;)
Jun 16 12:41:37 <ruskie> Khertan_, products dying after warranty is intentional by all manufacturers
Jun 16 12:42:07 <ruskie> Khertan_, the 6 month thing though most consumer laws have a max due date by which repair needs to be done or a replacement offered
Jun 16 12:42:14 <ruskie> Khertan_, but you need to be the proactive party
Jun 16 12:42:53 <Khertan_> ruskie: yeah ... pro active mean engage a lawyer
Jun 16 12:42:57 <ruskie> no
Jun 16 12:43:04 <ruskie> it just means go bug them until they do it
Jun 16 12:43:16 <ruskie> if they ignore you bring in the consumer protection organisation(s)
Jun 16 12:43:30 <ruskie> if they ignore that various trade inspectors work
Jun 16 12:43:37 <Khertan_> ruskie: i already do that ... to contact them ... pay by minutes number
Jun 16 12:43:51 <Khertan_> ruskie: haha ... consumer protection organisations ?
Jun 16 12:43:52 <ruskie> I always handle this stuff in person
Jun 16 12:43:54 <Khertan_> in france ? 
Jun 16 12:43:54 <Khertan_> haha
Jun 16 12:44:03 <Khertan_> they help you to engage a lawyer
Jun 16 12:44:04 <ruskie> Khertan_, you don't have that?
Jun 16 12:44:09 <Khertan_> but you have to finance it
Jun 16 12:44:33 <ruskie> around here if you are a member you get free legal advice... ani they will deal with them on your behalf
Jun 16 12:45:07 <Khertan_> they give you free advice ... with adresses of specialized lawyer
Jun 16 12:45:08 <Khertan_> :)
Jun 16 12:45:16 <ruskie> ahh so nothing like our own
Jun 16 12:45:34 <ruskie> ours tend to annoy people even when not asked to
Jun 16 12:45:49 <ruskie> they're actually usefull to have
Jun 16 12:45:58 <Khertan_> the best way to fight against problem is boycotting company you know have poor customers services and quality product
Jun 16 12:46:04 <ruskie> though for me usually it helps if I'm getting crap from the service to get their director and talk to him
Jun 16 12:46:33 <ruskie> Khertan_, well I haven't had such issues with sony products yet
Jun 16 12:47:01 <ruskie> and I have like a 12 year old sony crt tv and a near 20 years old sony mini component hi-fi
Jun 16 12:47:31 <Khertan_> i got a camera which died without reason, a hifi, and a home cinema sound system
Jun 16 12:47:33 <ruskie> yes both had to be repaired but it was wear and tear not something that was deffective
Jun 16 12:47:47 <ruskie> and I have a ps3 since a little over a year ago
Jun 16 12:47:56 <ruskie> and bought 2 flatscreen tvs this january
Jun 16 12:48:06 <ruskie> with 5 year warranty on those flatscreens
Jun 16 12:48:14 <Khertan_> my neightboor is still fighting with sony warranty for his ps3
Jun 16 12:48:28 <ruskie> what happened?
Jun 16 12:48:29 <Khertan_> since january
Jun 16 12:48:36 <ruskie> when did he buy it?
Jun 16 12:48:41 <Khertan_> ruskie: died ...
Jun 16 12:48:58 <Khertan_> 11.99 month before
Jun 16 12:49:09 <ruskie> sucks :(
Jun 16 12:49:19 <ruskie> hmm that definately should be fixed under warranty
Jun 16 12:49:20 <Khertan_> so they claim than when they receive it wasn't under warranty
Jun 16 12:49:31 <ruskie> did he fire off an email to them?
Jun 16 12:49:32 <Khertan_> even if he call them before the end 
Jun 16 12:49:39 <ruskie> something that is documented
Jun 16 12:49:41 <Khertan_> and got a return number
Jun 16 12:49:44 <FIQ|n900> i found this wikipage - http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Behind_the_scenes - but it's about Maemo 4
Jun 16 12:49:59 <Khertan_> in fact the problem is more complex
Jun 16 12:50:11 <Khertan_> they return it one time saying it s repaired 
Jun 16 12:50:15 <Khertan_> but didn't
Jun 16 12:50:28 <SpeedEvil> Argh. 
Jun 16 12:50:31 <Khertan_> and when he wan't to return it again, they say that warranty is over
Jun 16 12:50:45 <Khertan_> usual
Jun 16 12:50:46 * SpeedEvil reads backscroll, and realises he should have sent his device off for repair before now.
Jun 16 12:51:16 <ruskie> Khertan_, sucks I guess for such things...
Jun 16 12:51:35 <psycho_oreos> SpeedEvil, you have broken USB port?
Jun 16 12:51:57 <SpeedEvil> psycho_oreos: I have somewhat dodgy modem that sometimes forgets it has a SIM installed
Jun 16 12:52:36 <ruskie> Khertan_, well I tend to always do any warranty stuff in person since they are less likely to try and get around things...
Jun 16 12:52:47 <Khertan_> "Nokia announced on March 11, 2011 that it had paid Elop a $6 million signing bonus, “compensation for lost income from his prior employer," on top of his $1.4 million annual salary" <<< oh ... i found the R&D budget for MeeGo Handset at Nokia
Jun 16 12:52:48 <psycho_oreos> SpeedEvil, you're not telling me this is N900? :( My N95-1 has a very similar issue
Jun 16 12:52:56 <SpeedEvil> psycho_oreos: yes
Jun 16 12:53:39 <FIQ|n900> oh, mine does that as well
Jun 16 12:53:41 <psycho_oreos> SpeedEvil, happen to know which CPU rev is that?
Jun 16 12:53:49 <FIQ|n900> though it was just my sim card that had small problems
Jun 16 12:54:09 <ruskie> though had to threaten the local irobot repair&distribution director that I'll do everything in my power to get rid of their license if they don't fix an error that irobot accepts as an issue... I probably couldn't do it but I would cause so much bad publicity that they wouldn't be able to shift ...
Jun 16 12:54:14 <ruskie> ... much units
Jun 16 12:54:16 <ruskie> Khertan_, fun
Jun 16 12:54:20 <FIQ|n900> but fiddling with it usually helps, or does i mis-understand the problem?
Jun 16 12:54:23 <FIQ|n900> thought*
Jun 16 12:54:30 <FIQ|n900> do*
Jun 16 12:54:34 <RST38h> Khertan: Elop is actually more important to the corporate hierarchy than a bunch of weird geeks working on an obscure research project for years
Jun 16 12:54:51 <RST38h> Khertan: Elop brings change!
Jun 16 12:55:17 <RST38h> While geeks only bring negativity with their petty technical squabbles
Jun 16 12:55:23 <Khertan_> RST38h: :)
Jun 16 12:55:28 <ruskie> hehe
Jun 16 12:55:28 * RST38h trolls on
Jun 16 12:55:30 <SpeedEvil> psycho_oreos: 2101
Jun 16 12:55:33 <ruskie> geeks make the world go round
Jun 16 12:56:02 <Khertan_> RST38h: hum ... be carreful the server you are using for chatting is made by geeks
Jun 16 12:56:14 <psycho_oreos> FIQ|n900, if I'm not mistaken, it sounds like there's a fault with SIM area :( My N95-1 had that problem, often more than not it randomly says "Insert SIM car" and you can't do anything else apart from pulling battery out, reinserting SIM, replace battery and turn it back on again.
Jun 16 12:56:23 <ruskie> or as someone commented... geeks are meant to get the general public interested in various gadgets so they sell
Jun 16 12:56:30 <SpeedEvil> psycho_oreos: exact same fault. 
Jun 16 12:56:31 <RST38h> Khertan: I am bringing them enlightenment!
Jun 16 12:56:46 <Khertan_> psycho_oreos: most time i got this problem with device it s a defect sim card.
Jun 16 12:56:46 <SpeedEvil> psycho_oreos: I need to reboot.
Jun 16 12:56:48 <psycho_oreos> SpeedEvil, hmm.. I think that's also the same rev as ones that reported uUSB socket falling out
Jun 16 12:57:45 <psycho_oreos> Khertan_, but then what if it was working fine before without any hitches before all of the sudden you get prompts like that?
Jun 16 12:58:15 <psycho_oreos> SpeedEvil, yeah that'd also work but not always for me in the case of N95-1.. I haven't had the same issue with my N900s
Jun 16 12:58:21 * Khertan_ have problably one of the first revision of n900 ... i got some error too like that. I think my n900 was the problem, and since i change the sim card i didn't get them anymore
Jun 16 12:58:56 <SpeedEvil> Khertan: I've changed SIMs, and it still happens
Jun 16 12:59:15 <Khertan_> :(
Jun 16 12:59:24 <psycho_oreos> I can't replicate the problem as the SIM card that I got was a prepaid and it was expired not long ago
Jun 16 12:59:35 <e0525417>  does "kernel-config limits 500 1000" automatically set the appropriate volatages?
Jun 16 13:01:44 <Khertan_> e0525417: http://bit.ly/m5zMeu
Jun 16 13:02:09 <psycho_oreos> hmm that reminds me... about first revision of N900. Yesterday I was playing with 0xFFFF extracting FIASCO　images, when　I targeted N900's FIASCO image, it writes out the filename along with all the possible revision numbers that came with N900 for files like secondary and xloader
Jun 16 13:03:03 <Khertan_> there is so much revision ?
Jun 16 13:03:58 <psycho_oreos> khertan, http://pastebin.com/NwzFHq15
Jun 16 13:04:41 <psycho_oreos> or maybe a group I suppose
Jun 16 13:07:03 <Khertan_> 2nd-RX-51 ?
Jun 16 13:07:15 <Khertan_> there is a first ?
Jun 16 13:07:15 <Khertan_> :)
Jun 16 13:07:28 <Khertan_> psycho_oreos: 2101
Jun 16 13:10:45 <Khertan_> psycho_oreos: didn't know there is different keyboard texture
Jun 16 13:10:53 <psycho_oreos> Khertan_, I don't know if that's actually the first or are these sub-versions refer to something else completely different. My N900 are rev: 2204 and I can't find that number on pastebin
Jun 16 13:11:04 <FIQ> Tried another thing first, and it worked
Jun 16 13:11:16 <psycho_oreos> different keyboard texture? *shrugs* this is global PR1.3 firmware btw
Jun 16 13:11:22 <FIQ> (tried to use mobile hotspot -- allthough it loves the battery, it works)
Jun 16 13:11:54 <psycho_oreos> so your N900 needs to be sucking off your computer's power through　USB　port ;)
Jun 16 13:12:02 <psycho_oreos> that and its insecure (uses WEP)
Jun 16 13:12:22 <Khertan_> psycho_oreos: rev 2204 ? cat /proc/component_version ?
Jun 16 13:12:47 <psycho_oreos> Khertan_, haven't tried /proc/component_version, I did /proc/cpuinfo however
Jun 16 13:13:20 <psycho_oreos> yeah hw-build is the same as /proc/cpuinfo's revision.. 2204
Jun 16 13:13:21 <Khertan_> indeed cpuinfo give me the same rev number
Jun 16 13:14:11 <FIQ> (15:09:13) (psycho_oreos) so your N900 needs to be sucking off your computer's power through　USB　port ;)
Jun 16 13:14:16 <FIQ> nah, I use wall charger :P
Jun 16 13:14:17 <psycho_oreos> hehe we're on the same page :)　but I wonder what's those numbers are for.. I　can't find 2204 in that or in the information 0xFFFF dumped so it must be basing off something else
Jun 16 13:14:30 <psycho_oreos> FIQ, much better :)
Jun 16 13:15:41 <Khertan_> psycho_oreos: i found this number in the image : http://pastebin.com/UBG0h26p
Jun 16 13:16:22 <Khertan_> 2204 seems to be a german variant
Jun 16 13:16:43 <psycho_oreos> Khertan_, different fiasco?
Jun 16 13:17:03 <GNUtoo> hi,
Jun 16 13:17:08 <GNUtoo> how do I kill Xorg
Jun 16 13:17:12 <GNUtoo> I want to do some ts_test
Jun 16 13:21:00 <Khertan_> psycho_oreos: don't think
Jun 16 13:22:37 <psycho_oreos> Khertan_, just wondering where you got that from though :)
Jun 16 13:27:25 <Khertan_> psycho_oreos: i got that from my flasher log
Jun 16 13:32:07 <psycho_oreos> khertan, :o ... same file right? global fiasco firmware
Jun 16 14:35:40 <mr_jrt> Random query: Is there another source of documentation for Maemo5's telepathy API? (other than http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/telepathy-glib/telepathy-glib-account-manager.html) - I'm using QtCreator and that doesn't provide the headers for telepathy-qt4, meaning I'm stuck with telepathy-glib, and the version provided doesn't even so much as list the Dbus properties available. Given that is my first attempt at any direct Dbus interaction via coding...thi
Jun 16 15:43:01 <waters> Hello guys ... I have a problem with my N900, while browsing the web using my TP-Link TD-W8920G Router the N900 seems to crash the whole network
Jun 16 15:45:24 <MoonTiger> hey guys
Jun 16 15:45:39 <MoonTiger> would you say its better to use c or c++ for developing stuff on maemo?
Jun 16 15:58:36 <jacekowski> waters: i had same shit on iphone with similiar router
Jun 16 16:01:32 <waters> jacekowski: okay ...did u get a new router or did u fix it?
Jun 16 16:09:11 <jacekowski> waters: i got rid of iphone
Jun 16 16:13:28 <mr_jrt> @moontiger In my ridiculously limited experience, maemo is hevily gtk-based, so you're going to be doing C-style coding regardless of the API you choose at some point.
Jun 16 16:16:14 <waters> jacekowski: hmm well i dont wanna get rid of my N900 :)
Jun 16 16:23:35 <rm_work> MoonTiger / mr_jrt: well, I believe you can also use Qt now, which is C++ (in my equally limited experience)
Jun 16 16:24:02 <MoonTiger> thnx guys ... i think i'll stick to c
Jun 16 16:24:21 <MoonTiger> im just playting with writing a simple identica client
Jun 16 16:24:28 <waters> does anyone else know why the n900 could cause my router to crash?
Jun 16 16:24:42 <MoonTiger> waters ... is your laptop on the same router?
Jun 16 16:27:45 <waters> MoonTiger: yes
Jun 16 16:28:03 <MoonTiger> what are you doing on the router in total?
Jun 16 16:28:05 <waters> MoonTiger: laptop and desktop computer all on the same router
Jun 16 16:28:11 <SpeedEvil> waters: How close is your n900 to the router?
Jun 16 16:28:15 <MoonTiger> any torrents going?
Jun 16 16:28:44 <waters> MoonTiger: well let's say about 10 meters and no torrents going on
Jun 16 16:29:04 <MoonTiger> what do you do on the n900 that causes the issue?
Jun 16 16:29:17 <MoonTiger> and keep it decent pls!
Jun 16 16:29:58 <waters> MoonTiger: well usually just downloading a app from the app manager or browsing the web which both then causes the router to crash
Jun 16 16:30:11 <MoonTiger> what router is it?
Jun 16 16:30:25 <SpeedEvil> waters: Ok - my thought was that the phone part is disturbing the router - but not at that distance
Jun 16 16:30:53 <waters> TP-Link TD-W8920G
Jun 16 16:31:07 <MoonTiger> are you sure there is no ip clashes?
Jun 16 16:31:55 <waters> I have manually entered the IP for both my Laptop and Desktop computer
Jun 16 16:32:08 <MoonTiger> and they are outside of the dhcp pool?
Jun 16 16:32:50 <waters> MoonTiger: brb 
Jun 16 18:11:51 <hillbicks> hey everyone
Jun 16 18:12:06 <SpeedEvil> yeu
Jun 16 18:12:23 <hillbicks> anyone knows if sygic is no longer selling mobile maps for the n900?
Jun 16 18:13:10 <SpeedEvil> Have you looked on their site?
Jun 16 18:13:11 <hillbicks> i just get 404's with the old links and can't find anything on their page
Jun 16 18:13:21 <SpeedEvil> well - that would tend to indicate...
Jun 16 18:13:57 <hillbicks> i know, right? but i thought _maybe_ someone in here has some insight 
Jun 16 18:20:57 <mrsellout> hillbicks: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=996885&postcount=43
Jun 16 18:24:32 <hillbicks> mrsellout: thanks for the bad news.  ;)
Jun 16 18:26:48 <BluesLee> hi, what to do if the emmc partition for MyDocs gets a read-only filesystem? why this happens?
Jun 16 18:28:13 <BluesLee> the file /etc/fstab contains a "rodir" entry, can i remove that?
Jun 16 18:28:48 <BluesLee> no
Jun 16 18:32:44 <BluesLee> the file looks the same as on my second n900 ... reboot did not help
Jun 16 18:35:17 <BluesLee> 2nd reboot did it
Jun 16 19:22:29 <ioan> anyone interested in a cheap N900? I wonder if I should buy it :-) http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/mob/2443726362.html
Jun 16 19:23:36 <jacekowski> well, if it's stuck in rebootloop then you may have a problem
Jun 16 19:23:42 <jacekowski> because why he didn't fix it?
Jun 16 19:24:06 <jacekowski> it's 60s with flasher
Jun 16 19:24:45 <ioan> probably the owner doesn't know how to flash it? who knows what os version he has on it
Jun 16 19:25:09 <jacekowski> i would be cautious
Jun 16 19:25:45 <ioan> never heard of the reboot loop problem that doesn't fix with a reflash... did you?
Jun 16 19:26:15 <jacekowski> nope, but i know that there are some hardware faults that may cause it
Jun 16 19:26:46 <ioan> maybe I should charge the person 25$ if I can fix it :-))
Jun 16 19:29:13 <rm_work> ioan: i had a rebootloop once that required me to send my device back to qgil
Jun 16 19:30:19 <rm_work> lololol
Jun 16 19:30:35 <rm_work> that brings up a good question
Jun 16 19:30:36 <ShadowJK> I've heard of emmc breaking, rootfs breaking, bad cpu and bad ram..
Jun 16 19:30:46 <rm_work> who is alterego's main ego? :P
Jun 16 19:32:37 <ioan> rm_work: I sent an email to the seller to ask what OS version does he have, and when he reflashed last time. If he doesn't know what I'm talking about... then probably it's an easy fix
Jun 16 19:33:02 <rm_work> heh
Jun 16 19:33:04 <rm_work> good call
Jun 16 19:33:17 <rm_work> though if he uses reverse psycology on you, he'll play dumb ^_^
Jun 16 19:33:33 <ioan> hehe
Jun 16 19:59:19 <NIN101> Can anyone say something in regards to the compromised comodo SSL certificates in microb? Are they marked as "untrusted" now? Or are we doomed to trust OSCP servers on the N900? Just can't check this issue myself for a time, so if anyone cares...
Jun 16 20:00:27 <MohammadAG> microB shows the same security exception as in firefox
Jun 16 20:00:57 <ShadowJK> In general, no settings or software or certificates have changed since october 2010 on N900
Jun 16 20:06:09 <NIN101> :-). And also gecko vulnerabilities since this time could be possibly exploited, as nobody updates microb, right?  
Jun 16 20:18:42 <ShadowJK> NIN101, right
Jun 16 20:18:42 <GNUtoo> hi, I'd like to kexec a maemo kenrel, but I don't really like the overclocking of kernel-power
Jun 16 20:19:01 <GNUtoo> does the kernel-power overclocks by default?
Jun 16 20:19:04 <SpeedEvil> kernel-power does not do overclocking unless you set it up
Jun 16 20:19:12 <GNUtoo> ok
Jun 16 20:19:14 <GNUtoo> thanks a lot
Jun 16 20:20:00 <jacktheripper> has anyone tried compiling GTK3 on maemo ?
Jun 16 20:28:25 <MoonTiger> hi guys
Jun 16 20:28:38 <MoonTiger> is there a libgrss package available?
Jun 16 20:30:34 <NIN101> well we could probably stem the problems if they grow bigger in the future a bit with SElinux (should be available and working, though don't like it), ACLs etc. We also could run the applications in question as seperate users (but then we should remove the "sudo gainroot" etc. stuff :-)) and then hope for the best. Also there some issues with package signing IIRC, but anyway. 
Jun 16 20:33:32 <SpeedEvil> http://b3ta.com/board/10451686 hehe
Jun 16 20:35:26 <RST38h> Moo all
Jun 16 20:41:00 <RST38h> SpeedEvil: http://www.etoday.ru/uploads/2008/02/05/cologne_rosenmontag14_nokia.jpg
Jun 16 20:42:56 <SpeedEvil> Awesome
Jun 16 21:05:47 <user__> hi
Jun 16 21:06:04 <user__> reposities have stopped working for me for some reason
Jun 16 21:07:14 <GNUtoo> btw does someone knows kexecboot: here's my issue:
Jun 16 21:07:23 <GNUtoo> the kernel-power-42 boots fine
Jun 16 21:07:27 <GNUtoo> with kexec
Jun 16 21:07:34 <GNUtoo> but for the meego kenrel
Jun 16 21:07:47 <GNUtoo> there is a huge lag between kexec -e and the start of the kernel
Jun 16 21:07:50 <GNUtoo> like one minute
Jun 16 21:08:06 <GNUtoo> what maemo kernel power patch should I look at
Jun 16 21:08:08 <GNUtoo> ?
Jun 16 21:08:58 <GNUtoo> or config options
Jun 16 21:14:01 <user0> Hello.
Jun 16 21:19:28 <user0> user0: did the testing today after getting the device back
Jun 16 21:19:54 <user0> had some old firmware on it but wasnt asking for any lockcode at boot 
Jun 16 21:20:59 <user0> so i got the code, it was something like 63856385, as in not the default one
Jun 16 21:21:15 <user0> i changed it and reflashed 
Jun 16 21:21:36 <user0> the device still asked for a lockcode after flashing it, this time i knew it
Jun 16 21:22:00 <user0> didnt ask for any lockcode after that 
Jun 16 22:08:52 <vi__> hi
Jun 16 22:08:59 <vi__> anyone here?
Jun 16 22:09:17 <vi__> who knows osso-xterm?
Jun 16 22:09:42 <vi__> my question, if you would be so kind to answer...
Jun 16 22:09:50 <papirius> 2001 It is discovered that US drug agents’ communications have been penetrated. Suspicion falls on two companies, AMDOCS and Comverse Infosys, both owned by Israelis. AMDOCS generates billing data for most US phone companies and is able to provide detailed logs of who is talking to whom. Comverse Infosys builds the tapping equipment used by law enforcement to eavesdrop on all American telephone calls, but suspicion forms that Comverse, which
Jun 16 22:10:36 <vi__> the pointer mode of xterm, how to activate it without the toolbar?
Jun 16 22:18:40 <pauly> anyone interested in a n900 with broken usb and broken screen?
Jun 16 22:19:53 <E0x> hello
Jun 16 22:51:52 <mr_jrt> Ok, figured out why I wasn't getting my glib/dbus callbacks fired - I wasn't running the glib event loop. Next issue that has me stumped - how do I know when all the telepathy dbus callbacks have completed? They're fired arbitrarily by the event loop, and the completion callback fires when the call to query the properties completes - not when the callbacks have all finished.
Jun 16 23:13:18 <papirius> Psykosonik - PGP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VesrsePAH8k
Jun 16 23:17:24 <mer_ge> how do I leave fullscreen in midori?
Jun 16 23:22:31 <maledong> lol
Jun 16 23:22:54 <maledong> give us the next shiznit nokia
Jun 16 23:23:15 <maledong> then maybe we'll port software
Jun 16 23:23:19 <maledong> but fuck
Jun 17 01:23:10 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: see user0 above!
Jun 17 01:23:45 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: [2011-06-16 23:20:09] <user0> the device still asked for a lockcode after flashing it, this time i knew it
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