**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 01 02:59:57 2011 Jul 01 03:22:03 gif google+ invite? Jul 01 03:22:20 GeneralAntilles: --^ Jul 01 03:44:50 fredrin, hmm? Jul 01 03:44:56 Are you requesting one? Jul 01 03:46:04 if you have Jul 01 03:46:09 just want to check it out Jul 01 03:46:34 it's google so it could be big Jul 01 03:46:40 fredrin, not so far as I can tell. Jul 01 03:48:45 GeneralAntilles, humkay Jul 01 03:49:21 xkcd has a pwerful argument in favor of google+ Jul 01 03:52:51 lol yeah that was great Jul 01 03:52:58 i do kinda want an invite just to check it out Jul 01 03:53:02 kinda like google wave... Jul 01 03:53:08 not sure i really liked it but was neat to try Jul 01 04:14:59 god Maemo has a lot of different libraries and daemons and code just to do something as simple as manage the clock and time Jul 01 04:15:01 ... Jul 01 04:30:52 jonwil: Indeed - it's gotta be intentional. Jul 01 04:39:12 in any case I have decided to take another look at the mess that is MCE Jul 01 04:39:21 and specifically some of the MCE plugins Jul 01 04:39:52 using the Harmattan MCE code as a reference and comparing it to the Fremantle binaries to see what might be different Jul 01 04:40:02 and from there using that to figure out what say the vibrator plugin does Jul 01 04:40:40 Um... I think it vibrates. :P Jul 01 04:41:31 I mean someone wanted clones of it so they could change just HOW it triggers the vibrator Jul 01 04:43:02 gah Jul 01 04:43:16 why does the list of old alarms (the checkbox thingy) have to be a LIST Jul 01 04:43:23 i got a bunch and i hate scrolling. Jul 01 04:43:42 they would all fit if each row had like 6 of them or something Jul 01 04:43:49 much easier to use Jul 01 04:46:19 jonwil: Did you apply for a devkit? Jul 01 04:46:28 N950? Nope Jul 01 04:46:33 bindi: Indeed. Jul 01 04:46:57 Nothing I have planned or am doing is the kind of thing that makes me deserving of a N9 or N950 devkit Jul 01 04:47:45 I disagree - some of the platform stuff could be of great use. Jul 01 04:47:58 But it's very out of scope for the program. Jul 01 04:48:16 what platform stuff? Jul 01 04:48:39 I mean stuff like getting cbs working Jul 01 04:49:03 And you're one of the few involved in maemo with leet arm reverse engineering skillz. Jul 01 04:49:08 :) Jul 01 04:49:23 I dont have such skills, I wish I did though Jul 01 04:49:39 I am probably the only one in the maemo community who is interested in reverse engineering though Jul 01 04:55:47 Leet compared to the rest of us :) Jul 01 04:56:11 I've done some ARM coding in asm - but only on paper to cycle count a peroposed algorithm. Jul 01 04:56:38 And I'd have no idea where to go about stuff like the CBSMS patch. Jul 01 04:57:00 I've done plenty of ARM asm... but I still have no interest in _disassembling_ someone else's code. Jul 01 04:57:04 Most of my work comes from examining the x86 SDK versions of things Jul 01 05:59:55 Morning Jul 01 06:00:18 morn Jul 01 06:14:52 Who is it that was working on the custom lockscreen? Jul 01 06:27:56 hi Jul 01 06:30:53 MohammadAG was coding.. Jul 01 06:31:19 oh ok Jul 01 06:31:34 MohammadAG: ping Jul 01 07:28:49 https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/6/21/47 Jul 01 07:30:16 neat Jul 01 07:33:40 why does lkml.org have no "next in thread" link Jul 01 07:33:48 i dunno Jul 01 07:33:59 but we have omap3 don't we? Jul 01 07:34:42 ZogG: yes Jul 01 07:34:50 Though we do have a DSP Jul 01 07:34:50 =( Jul 01 07:37:15 SpeedEvil ыщ шы ше кудумфте ещ гы, Jul 01 07:37:27 ooops Jul 01 07:37:33 is it relevant to us? Jul 01 08:01:43 hello Jul 01 08:02:05 is there an easy way to list all gconfs so I can grep through them for what I want to fiddle with? Jul 01 08:02:26 and another question Jul 01 08:02:54 what gconf detai8ls which desktop I am on? Jul 01 08:03:00 what gconf details which desktop I am on? Jul 01 08:03:53 Status: "With delivery courier" :-D Jul 01 08:04:42 What is this that you are going to recieve? Jul 01 08:04:59 Jaffa hola Jul 01 08:05:23 ZogG: not really. Jul 01 08:05:41 SpeedEvil that's why it sucks to be us =) Jul 01 08:05:50 ZogG: Both the n900 and the n950//n9 are omap3 Jul 01 08:05:58 where is alarmd 'config' file Jul 01 08:06:05 ZogG: In principle thseswould benefit from a more common API for accessing the DSP Jul 01 08:06:08 i.e. the file that contains all the upcoming alarms? Jul 01 08:06:21 i will not get n950 for sure and i wouldn't buy n9 due xpensices and anyway no support Jul 01 08:06:40 vi__ google it, it's linux thing Jul 01 08:09:50 vi__, start reading talk.maemo.org and wiki.maemo.org Jul 01 08:09:57 has plenty of things that might be useful Jul 01 08:11:28 ruskie: the wiki is an unreadable mess Jul 01 08:11:42 Jul 01 08:27:19 vi__ than you re doomed Jul 01 08:27:23 RST38h, utro Jul 01 08:27:28 ruskie, \o Jul 01 08:37:48 ZogG: How is suffering today? Jul 01 08:38:11 why would i suffer? Jul 01 08:38:33 i fell asleep yesterday ike a baby =) Jul 01 08:38:41 though it was white night in TLV Jul 01 08:38:48 google+ is wierd Jul 01 08:39:00 ZogG: Send an invite - lemme see =) Jul 01 08:39:17 RST38h pm email Jul 01 08:39:41 =) Jul 01 08:41:17 how do I install the original camera program Jul 01 08:41:23 not the cssu Jul 01 08:41:27 version? Jul 01 08:41:36 apt-get install Jul 01 08:42:38 RST38h got it? Jul 01 08:46:11 ZogG: yahoo! thanks ! Jul 01 08:46:20 RST38h no problem man =) Jul 01 08:48:42 Mghm, funny stuff Jul 01 08:54:26 Ok, guys, time to do some Maemo stuff. But I've got a question first: I'm trying to tether my N900 to my laptop. I know the N900 side works, and I can get it to work on a Ubuntu 10.10 LiveCD, but my Debian LXDE just won't work. I installed networkmanager, modemmanager, and the N900 shows up when I plug it in, but attempting to connect to it as a modem just has it trying for a second and saying 'disconnected'. Any ideas? Jul 01 08:55:18 what country, network, modem string? Jul 01 08:55:58 and don't ask abbout the n900, its all n9/50 circle jerk right now Jul 01 08:56:26 it's always about the newest. too bad in this case it's not readily available yet.. Jul 01 08:56:57 maybe there should've been device-oriented channels in the first place :) Jul 01 08:57:45 Country = US, T-mobile. But it's not that I can't get internet or anything, I don't think my laptop's even connecting correctly. Jul 01 08:58:07 It seems to see the N900 - device shows up in the wizard - but... Jul 01 09:01:28 RST38h n8 has a client for it =) Jul 01 09:11:54 Still no launchpad email :/ Jul 01 09:13:36 Morning Everyone ! Jul 01 09:14:10 alterego, w8 and see here also ... but do not expected to get it too fast ... so you ll not be disappointed Jul 01 09:14:33 alterego, did you remember the n900 ddp and n810 ddp ? Jul 01 09:14:54 alterego, still no mail for me either... Jul 01 09:15:13 khertan__, what about N900 ddp and N810 ddp? Jul 01 09:16:04 I remember N810 Jul 01 09:16:12 N900 I didn't have enoguh karma Jul 01 09:16:23 bbiazm, having a shoert Jul 01 09:16:28 erm, shower Jul 01 09:22:02 alterego: I'm so very glad that mine was all set up, but now feeling guilty for the favouritism Jul 01 09:22:15 alterego: However, not too guilty as I should be getting a new toy today ;-) Jul 01 09:23:35 morning Jul 01 09:24:10 im enjoying the hell out of the n950 Jul 01 09:24:11 :> Jul 01 09:24:56 so anyone received any more news re Launchpad? Jul 01 09:25:44 lardman: not here Jul 01 09:25:52 khertan__ you got n900 as dev as well? Jul 01 09:26:01 lardman hey Jul 01 09:26:04 ZogG: already? someone wrote a symbian client for google+??? Jul 01 09:26:22 ZogG, as dev yep ... waiting launchpad email :) Jul 01 09:26:26 RST38h nope, i was mistaken. Jul 01 09:26:46 Venemo, it s take one or two week to got confirmation ... and many complain on t.m.o :) Jul 01 09:26:53 some1 wrote comment from n8 i assumed it's client but it was mobile interface Jul 01 09:27:07 hi ZogG Jul 01 09:27:32 lardman sup Jul 01 09:27:37 hum ... google plus suggest me as a contact :) Jul 01 09:27:38 lol Jul 01 09:27:47 Jaffa, today already? Jul 01 09:30:03 ZogG: not much, waiting for an N950, waiting for broadband to be sorted out at home, lots of waiting ;) Jul 01 09:32:01 http://www.elektor.com/news/smart-key-reveals-car-location-on-parking-lot.1872048.lynkx?utm_source=UK&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news sounds quite useful Jul 01 09:33:37 Jaffa: I wouldn't be so sure, what's the delivery status? Jul 01 09:33:41 http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/googleplus.png Jul 01 09:33:43 hihi Jul 01 09:35:20 Oh you butt hole "out for deliver" :P Jul 01 09:37:45 i totally need music player controls on the lock screen yo Jul 01 09:38:17 macmaN: swipe up, a little. Jul 01 09:38:36 black box appears Jul 01 09:38:46 looks like something is unfinished Jul 01 09:38:47 macmaN, how did you get an N950 already? Jul 01 09:38:55 that's what I was wondering? Jul 01 09:39:02 Venemo: helsinki meego meetup Jul 01 09:39:05 ah ok Jul 01 09:39:16 any opengl es experts about? Jul 01 09:39:32 Tronic sitting in #performous :) Jul 01 09:39:49 I don't want to bother a guru mind you Jul 01 09:40:30 macmaN, I'm envying Jul 01 09:40:51 i hear you. this thing is da bawmb. Jul 01 09:41:16 You're just making us all jealous now :p Jul 01 09:41:33 well the n9 will be upon us soon enough, unless elpo will sabotage the whole process somehow Jul 01 09:42:30 so i would just suggest going to the bars, get drunk every once in a while, pick up ladies for a whole lot of onenighters and generally live the playboy lifestyle. then you might be able to forget the n9 exists for that amount of time. Jul 01 09:42:51 Anyway opengles question - I want to draw some avatars in a 3D space which will be overlaid on the camera video stream, and I have a few questions: firstly does one setup the entire "world" and then alter the "viewport", and how do I keep the avatars facing me? Jul 01 09:43:08 although there is that after sex period when n9 becomes top priority again the mind Jul 01 09:43:12 i dont have a recipe for that Jul 01 09:43:18 macmaN: I think my wife might not be too pleased with your suggestion ;) Jul 01 09:43:25 lol :P Jul 01 09:43:27 role games? Jul 01 09:43:34 could be spiccccyyyy Jul 01 09:43:41 lardman, is the video stream still yuv? Jul 01 09:43:59 lcuk: no idea, but I guess it will be (or at least be able to be that) Jul 01 09:44:11 need to wait 'till I have the item in my hands... Jul 01 09:44:17 * lcuk nods Jul 01 09:45:13 I guess I should read some OpenGL ES tutorials, but they all talk about making pretty pictures of boxes, which isn't what I need at all Jul 01 09:46:11 lardman, what about QtOpenGL? Jul 01 09:46:33 Yeah I had a look at that, but I'm not sure how to display the video in that case Jul 01 09:46:54 or perhaps I was just looking at the accelerated canvas, which was quite straightforward Jul 01 09:47:10 There's a good gles2 book somewhere Jul 01 09:47:36 yeah, I don't really want to have to read an entire book, but if you find the name let me know and I'll get it from the library for some evening reading Jul 01 09:47:44 i came across the nokia wh-701 accidentally today. http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/headsets/wired-headsets/nokia-stereo-headset-wh-701 Jul 01 09:47:55 for some reason the next track button does not react with n950 media player Jul 01 09:47:58 alterego: "With delivery courier", and I received an "out for delivery" email Jul 01 09:48:54 You're a ho bag :P Jul 01 09:48:57 Jaffa: the wonders of courier timestamps, updated 6h after the event? Jul 01 09:49:03 I still don't have launchpad confirmation yet :( Jul 01 09:49:27 alterego: nor me Jul 01 09:50:02 Jaffa, how so quickly? I haven't even got any reply for my account ID from Quim Jul 01 09:50:16 Venemo: he aready had a valid launchpad account Jul 01 09:50:34 alterego, ah. that launchpad thing seems to be the bottleneck Jul 01 09:52:34 It is, a few of us, like we aid yesterday have beeen waiting greater than 6 months for an approval. Jul 01 09:52:38 Venemo: I don't think there were replies for the account ids, certianly I didn't get one Jul 01 09:52:43 But this should get the shoe in the door, so-to-speak. Jul 01 09:52:55 lardman: and you've got it in launchpad now?> Jul 01 09:52:57 alterego :) Jul 01 09:53:02 alterego: no Jul 01 09:53:20 lardman: ah, well I wasn't expecting a reply from quim, I was kinda expecting a mail from launchpad Jul 01 09:53:29 Venemo: have you created a launchpad account yet? If not, do so. Jul 01 09:53:36 I think we may as well all be in the same boat. Jul 01 09:53:37 same, but I was just replying to Venemo's comment Jul 01 09:53:43 alterego, I applied at https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/Join_Program.xhtml?programName=Launchpad%20for%20individuals Jul 01 09:53:54 it says, The applicant will be notified by e-mail once the membership application has been reviewed. Jul 01 09:54:00 and I definitely have NOT been notified. Jul 01 09:54:07 Venemo: okay, good. I guess we should just sit and wait, and maybe come up with a plan to knock Jaffa down :P Jul 01 09:54:21 I understand that others have waited for 6 months or so Jul 01 09:54:32 so what then, I'll get an N950 for christmas? how nice! Jul 01 09:54:59 lol Jul 01 09:55:12 Venemo: neah, that's the wait we've waited without any other Nokia involvement, basically they advertised free WP7 and E7 devices earlier this year and a lot of people applied, they're probably still looking through the admissions now ;) Jul 01 09:55:25 The point about the AID sending to Quim, is to get quick tracked through the process. Jul 01 09:55:38 this contradicts what Quim said, i.e. "we want to get the devices to the hands of the developers as fast as we can" Jul 01 09:55:55 Venemo: believe me, this is probably as fast as they can ;) Jul 01 09:56:08 Venemo, it 1 days ago ... it s not too long :) Jul 01 09:56:13 it feels bad that there is an N950 in there waiting for me, but they don't send it because of some bureocratic idiocracy Jul 01 09:56:16 stay calm ...you will get it :) Jul 01 09:56:21 ok khertan__ & alterego Jul 01 09:56:26 I'll be sad if we don't get the confirmation sorted today though :D Jul 01 09:56:28 patience is a virtue, I know :) Jul 01 09:56:37 Because then we could have them on Monday Jul 01 09:57:07 yep... anyway in france ... it ll mainly depends who do the delivery, if it s french poste ... i can wait 3 weeks Jul 01 09:57:14 Anyway, who has an N950 now? Jul 01 09:57:15 so one day or two ... more :) Jul 01 09:57:16 I've got a question Jul 01 09:57:36 alterego, Jaffa and macmaN have one Jul 01 09:57:39 macmaN: can you pastie the contents of the mount command. Jul 01 09:57:52 Venemo: Jaffa's hasn't arrived yet ;) Jul 01 09:58:10 I wanna know what the partition structure is like, rootfs, mydocs etc. Jul 01 09:58:24 I know the 512M NAND is being used for swap Jul 01 09:58:33 Wondering how large our root is Jul 01 09:58:42 And how much storage we have for media, etc. Jul 01 09:59:15 w00t__, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml -> top left field, AID-0000xxxxxx that is your developer account id Jul 01 09:59:53 i noticed aegisfs there a lot Jul 01 10:00:35 alterego, NAND is used for swap? didn't you tell me once that a NAND would wear out too quickly if it was used as swap? Jul 01 10:00:47 Venemo: I'm not happy about it ;) Jul 01 10:00:49 Venemo: Jaffa's is enroute afaiu Jul 01 10:00:56 Venemo: but they obviously know what they're doing. Jul 01 10:01:03 http://i.imgur.com/jAu9v.jpg Jul 01 10:01:12 macmaN: could you pastie for me? ^.^ Jul 01 10:01:49 alterego, yeah. which raises the question whether we could use the N900's "rootfs" as swap for MeeGo CE Jul 01 10:02:05 alterego, or perhaps it would be better spent used as a rootfs still Jul 01 10:02:21 Venemo: thanks Jul 01 10:02:47 alterego: i cant copy paste terminal to browser Jul 01 10:02:57 how should i do this Jul 01 10:03:01 Venemo: well, me and Stskeeps are doing some research into making a very minimal, quick and super slick MeeGo for N900 in a small 256M footprint Jul 01 10:03:06 Using Wayland and Qt5 Jul 01 10:03:37 alterego: where can i track this Jul 01 10:03:41 that sounds awesomez Jul 01 10:03:43 alterego, that sounds very nice Jul 01 10:03:57 So long as it incorporates Cordia, I'll be happy Jul 01 10:03:59 macmaN: nothing public yet. So don't get too worked up, we'll be working on it over the summer months. Jul 01 10:04:15 Because Hildon's an *excellent* UI Jul 01 10:04:17 Expect a _lot_ of noise about it once we actually get some where :D Jul 01 10:04:37 robbiethe1st: it wont be Cordia, it'll be our own environment based on qt (qml) compositor Jul 01 10:04:51 alterego: where are you guys located? Jul 01 10:04:54 the idea is to make an extremely low footprint meego-esque install for a "feature" phone Jul 01 10:04:57 alterego, I'm not saying that the whole thing should fit into the 256M... you could probably put /usr on the eMMC, with the exception of the most used binaries Jul 01 10:05:09 So it wont have smart phone functionality, our first target is basically just a working dialer application. Jul 01 10:05:30 alterego: :) Jul 01 10:06:26 Like I said, feature phone install, kind of an S40 replacement. Jul 01 10:06:57 what's the point of that? Jul 01 10:07:28 Venemo: itch scratching :) Jul 01 10:07:48 lol Jul 01 10:08:34 It's a market MeeGo isn't prepared to go yet, but could potentially be a game changer, imo. Jul 01 10:08:45 robbiethe1st, the problem is not whether Hildon is an excellent UI (because it is), just that MeeGo can't currently offer a better one Jul 01 10:08:54 why not? Jul 01 10:09:21 No one has wrote it Jul 01 10:09:21 alterego: i got a little bit of info about nokia strategy regarding that stuff Jul 01 10:09:25 Well, except swipe :) Jul 01 10:09:28 robbiethe1st, dunno. Handset UX is crappier than Hildon, also the tablet UX is good, but not yet optimized of that screen size. Jul 01 10:09:29 they def want to go therer Jul 01 10:09:40 Yea, sounds about right Jul 01 10:09:50 robbiethe1st, so if we manage to get Cordia out of the door, then it will dominate the MeeGo UX scene :) Jul 01 10:09:59 That's for sure Jul 01 10:10:00 alterego, maybe so, but in that case, those won't be "feature" phones anymore Jul 01 10:10:02 It's nice. Jul 01 10:10:14 Venemo: oh well :) Jul 01 10:10:23 * alterego checks email again Jul 01 10:10:54 * Venemo has Hotmail pinned as "app tab" in Firefox and is hitting F5 every 15 minutes since yesterday Jul 01 10:11:04 Heh Jul 01 10:11:22 robbiethe1st, that's probably until Intel adapts their UX to the phone screen size Jul 01 10:11:41 robbiethe1st, or until Wayland comes out... hildon-desktop is in no way prepared for wayland. Jul 01 10:12:04 I think hildon is okay, Jul 01 10:12:08 But I think swipe is better Jul 01 10:12:25 If swipe had _another_ home screen, like a dock screep for widgets, then I'd love it :) Jul 01 10:12:26 sure, but swipe is closed Jul 01 10:12:45 alterego: It's "delivered" and "signed for" (by "RAFIQ"). So it's somewhere in the building :-) Jul 01 10:13:08 I actually like the z-axis zoom method of Hildon... Jul 01 10:13:16 Jaffa: :-) Jul 01 10:13:19 with apps/home/open apps Jul 01 10:13:21 Jaffa: quick call HR and find out who this person is! Jul 01 10:13:28 * SpeedEvil is rafiq. Jul 01 10:13:34 * SpeedEvil runs away with an n950. Jul 01 10:13:35 rafiq leaves the building Jul 01 10:13:57 * w00t__ still wonders how he's going to actually manage to get his Jul 01 10:14:05 the curse of moving to a tiny town.. Jul 01 10:14:12 Mail? Jul 01 10:14:23 robbiethe1st: I don't even have a street name Jul 01 10:14:30 post there relies on them knowing who lives where Jul 01 10:14:43 ah Jul 01 10:14:54 Well, make sure they know where you are? Jul 01 10:15:02 My village is like that too. Jul 01 10:15:04 already in the process of working that out :-) Jul 01 10:15:10 One main street, with named houses along it Jul 01 10:15:34 w00t__: make yourself known, run down the street naked :) Jul 01 10:15:39 SpeedEvil: this is a bit bigger, some 3k people.. but a lot of the small streets aren't named or numbered Jul 01 10:15:48 Run into the post office and say "You haz my package?>!?" Jul 01 10:16:49 I guess 800? Jul 01 10:17:06 400, on reflection. Jul 01 10:19:46 google+ madness=) who wanna try? Jul 01 10:21:12 :) Jul 01 10:21:22 w00t__, I live in a village, how is that related to the issue? Jul 01 10:21:54 Venemo: I'm not there (yet), but I will be in ~1.5 weeks Jul 01 10:22:05 it's just a bit complicated Jul 01 10:33:01 Looks like Jaffa is minutes away from his N950 Jul 01 10:33:06 nyurgh Jul 01 10:33:43 lol sounds pornish Jul 01 10:33:44 alterego, no he's not. Jul 01 10:33:49 alterego: Unfortunately, it's release day and we've got about 4 blockers open Jul 01 10:33:57 So I might not have time to play :-( Jul 01 10:33:57 i would dislike doing the qgil current jobs ... offering device ... people complain and whine for delay ... :) Jul 01 10:34:09 Haha :P Jul 01 10:34:13 khertan__: Indeed. Impatience is one of the virtues of a programmer, though Jul 01 10:34:38 Virtues Jul 01 10:34:39 ? Jul 01 10:34:54 Jaffa, :) Jul 01 10:35:03 crashanddie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Wall#Virtues_of_a_programmer Jul 01 10:38:19 Why, WHY does crhome take over my bloody URL opening stuff .. Jul 01 10:38:23 * alterego removes chrome Jul 01 10:40:05 Aand, with that, Backupmenu 1.0RC1 is now uploaded. Jul 01 10:40:13 I'm just about considering it finished Jul 01 10:40:26 I added a proper format to the restore; should fix issues with the Optfs Jul 01 10:40:55 if you dont have patience, you can learn it by waiting for Qt to build on a single core 2.4ghz system Jul 01 10:41:26 hiemanshu, or on an n900 Jul 01 10:41:56 khertan__: well yes that too Jul 01 10:41:59 khertan__: congrats btw Jul 01 10:45:17 hiemanshu: that's nothing, try an OpenZaurus toolchain + world build on a 400MHz box with 64MB of RAM ;) Jul 01 10:45:44 I think I killed it after a week or two Jul 01 10:45:52 lardman: hah Jul 01 10:46:50 [12:35] * alterego removes chrome -> yep, crome is crap Jul 01 10:46:57 use Chromium! Jul 01 10:47:26 Firefox is the best browser on this planet Jul 01 10:47:35 pfft, it was chromium and it hijacked all my urls Jul 01 10:47:53 Even though I said, no don't be my default browser ass face. Jul 01 10:48:03 * hiemanshu shoots Venemo and throws his body in the garbage truck Jul 01 10:48:38 hiemanshu, google's horseshit never will be any good, ever. including their shitty browser Jul 01 10:49:32 Venemo: I actually like chromium, its not as RAM hungry as firefox Jul 01 10:51:10 hmmm, I need to learn to package .deb without the help of qt creator Jul 01 10:52:29 py2deb? Jul 01 10:52:37 Venemo hey buddy Jul 01 10:52:42 hey ZogG Jul 01 10:52:59 hiemanshu, maybe, but that is what RAM is for. Jul 01 10:53:05 hiemanshu, I can help you with .deb Jul 01 10:53:17 Venemo sup my man Jul 01 10:54:02 hiemanshu, you basically create a 'debian' directory in your app's root directory and put stuff in there. see https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/trees/master/debian Jul 01 10:55:19 hiemanshu, 'control' contains package data (think the top parts of a .spec file), 'rules' contains how to build it, etc. Jul 01 10:55:34 ZogG, I'm fine thanks :) awaiting for my N950 dev device Jul 01 10:55:46 Venemo \о/ Jul 01 10:55:59 i feel like loser now when you all get new device =) Jul 01 10:56:33 gah, /me shoots himself, built for wrong target :/ Jul 01 10:56:36 ZogG, you can get an N9 later and dowload all the apps we make with our N950s Jul 01 10:57:00 i want keyboard and i don't think i'm gonna buy n9 Jul 01 10:57:01 hiemanshu: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24047&postcount=15 Jul 01 10:57:37 not avilable in our country it means it would be expensive and it is too expensive without resellers prices =) Jul 01 10:57:54 Jaffa: awesome, thanks Jul 01 10:58:41 hiemanshu: It still requires the qtc_packaging stuff from Qt Creator, but does produce things which are buildable by things other than Qt Creator. Jul 01 10:59:14 hiemanshu: There's no reason for the simple stuff, though, that you couldn't have a mud.xml file which contained the packaging info in an abstract form (for most simple apps, anyway) Jul 01 10:59:29 Jaffa: there is no qtc_packaging stuff at all, I am trying to build opencv and package that Jul 01 10:59:52 hiemanshu: If it exists already, I wouldn't use Qt Creator - unless it's a Qt project. Jul 01 11:00:00 hiemanshu, it also helps if you look at debian's package collection and see how their stuff is packaged Jul 01 11:00:26 Jaffa: yes, I am not using Qt Creator, I am using sbox Jul 01 11:02:31 * jonwil knows all about the pain of building QT on a slow system Jul 01 11:02:37 Try a 1.4Ghz P4 Gentoo box Jul 01 11:03:25 Try building a full QT/KDE setup :) Jul 01 11:03:59 jonwil: done :P Jul 01 11:07:05 so Jaffa, do you have the device yet?! Jul 01 11:08:05 perhaps he's passed out in delight? Jul 01 11:08:45 ~seen MohammadAG Jul 01 11:08:47 mohammadag is currently on #maemo (3d 10h 54m 11s) #meego (3d 10h 54m 11s). Has said a total of 707 messages. Is idling for 8h 51m 36s, last said: 'idk what its actions were'. Jul 01 11:39:26 morning Jul 01 11:40:23 morning MohammadAG Jul 01 11:40:31 jonwil, sup Jul 01 11:40:40 morning hiemanshu :) Jul 01 11:40:59 MohammadAG: you seem happy today :P Jul 01 11:41:14 so yeah you are doing the new lock screen? Jul 01 11:42:20 you'd be happy too if you received N950 :p Jul 01 11:42:27 which I'm sure both of you have :p Jul 01 11:42:48 id be happy to receve any mail Jul 01 11:42:48 correction, get accepted for DDP on N9 dev kit Jul 01 11:42:52 * jonwil has no interest in having a N9/N950 Jul 01 11:42:52 even rejected :/ Jul 01 11:43:47 my assumptions are they may be am on the way to firing out a whole bunch of rejected DDP lol Jul 01 11:44:32 jonwil, yep Jul 01 11:44:38 MohammadAG \о Jul 01 11:44:44 technically it runs over the old one, but it works ;) Jul 01 11:44:49 o/ ZogG Jul 01 11:45:13 MohammadAG sup dude Jul 01 11:45:15 am I correct in thinking that the reason it has to run over the old one is that we cant replace libsystemuiplugin_tklock.so? Jul 01 11:45:17 kinda missed you =) Jul 01 11:45:30 Because I happen to be mapping out all the external things required to create such a replacement Jul 01 11:45:40 which isnt as hard as it sounds Jul 01 11:45:47 jonwil, yep Jul 01 11:46:06 ZogG, heh nothing much, same as always Jul 01 11:46:14 jonwil, sounds great Jul 01 11:46:29 MohammadAG, got approved on n950 btw? Jul 01 11:46:45 MohammadAG, just got from miluim. did you apply for school already? Jul 01 11:46:47 jonwil, while you're doing that, can you find the methods to get notification count? Jul 01 11:47:05 ZogG, yeah (N950), no (school) Jul 01 11:47:12 MohammadAG what do you mena notification count? Jul 01 11:47:20 MohammadAG good, bad Jul 01 11:47:20 If you know what binary or binaries I should look into, I can look into that for you Jul 01 11:47:20 need my psychometric exam mark Jul 01 11:47:36 MohammadAG how did it go? Jul 01 11:47:46 same binary jonwil Jul 01 11:47:49 it's such a bullsht Jul 01 11:47:51 ZogG, exam on 7/7 Jul 01 11:47:57 indeed Jul 01 11:48:01 so the lockscreen displays the notification count? Jul 01 11:48:02 MohammadAG, i did it Jul 01 11:48:07 and i didn't study at all Jul 01 11:48:09 jonwil, yeah Jul 01 11:48:24 all test were great Jul 01 11:48:25 and real exam wasn't as i even didn't sleep before it =) Jul 01 11:48:29 it's not hard ZogG, you just have to think fast :P Jul 01 11:48:42 and it was a lot of hours =( Jul 01 11:48:46 ok, I found it Jul 01 11:48:56 There is no function to get the notification count Jul 01 11:49:00 3/4? can take that, will be bored but I can take it Jul 01 11:49:05 Mohammad: What exam? Jul 01 11:49:06 jonwil, no sqlite calls? Jul 01 11:49:11 yes there is Jul 01 11:49:13 MohammadAG it's about concentration, i can concentrate on something boring for hours Jul 01 11:49:25 then it's using the db directly :/ Jul 01 11:49:47 RST38h, some Israeli test you need for unis here Jul 01 11:50:01 RST38h, same as in US Jul 01 11:50:13 Ah, the local variety of SAT or EGE Jul 01 11:50:49 * RST38h thinks harder figures that EGE will probably spell as UFE in English Jul 01 11:50:51 the SATs are more umm, sane ZogG :P Jul 01 11:50:59 RST38h is it yours/ i mean LJ? Jul 01 11:51:11 MohammadAG it's all about money Jul 01 11:51:12 ZogG: No, it is a movie review community Jul 01 11:51:20 test to check you and not to learn you before Jul 01 11:51:35 RST38h it looks like trashy trash Jul 01 11:51:41 ZogG: in this case, reviewing the trashiest flick ever Jul 01 11:51:43 insane i would say Jul 01 11:51:46 I have an N950 in my hands. Jul 01 11:51:51 what's "tentatively"? Jul 01 11:52:00 Jaffa mazal tov Jul 01 11:52:02 ZogG: Shaolin masters facepalm in shame! Jul 01 11:52:21 Jaffa: You lucky individual... Still haven't got any response from Quim Jul 01 11:52:28 RST38h haha, but i know more trashy movie i think Jul 01 11:52:47 RST38h are you developing nything? Jul 01 11:53:04 Jaffa: On the other hand, celestial trajectories only take my means of transport to US between 9th and 21st Jul 01 11:53:11 maybe i should email Quim and test my luck if not all devices are sent? =) Jul 01 11:53:28 RST38h check the Pasechnik movie Jul 01 11:53:29 ZogG: ninjas kill themselves when they see this: http://images107.fotki.com/v159/photos/7/1637787/9838565/PDVD_074-vi.jpg Jul 01 11:53:35 hi all. i have set up a wireless adhoc om my computer in order to share the internet connection with my n900. i am able to connect to this wifi adhoc network from my phone, but am not able to browse the internet or execute apt-get update from the terminal either. how do i solve this? Jul 01 11:53:44 ZogG: Oh, but Pasechnik was actually done this way ON PURPOSE Jul 01 11:54:06 RST38h and this one they wanted to make as a Matrix style movie? Jul 01 11:54:36 wifiprob i think the problem is in how you set up adhoc Jul 01 11:54:40 ZogG: I am porting my own stuff (open source and not), porting FBReader, and most likely doing one more project that would like to keep private for now Jul 01 11:55:01 FBReader is yours? Jul 01 11:55:21 ZogG: it's a wep network with security key 6173646667 Jul 01 11:55:26 ZogG: Frankly, I think this one was caused by toadstools and one ninja movie too many Jul 01 11:55:36 RST38h i know your are sansei from chan but never knew any project you worked on Jul 01 11:55:40 ZogG: No, but I maintained the Maemo5 port Jul 01 11:55:52 Jaffa, holy crap you got it? Jul 01 11:55:54 ZogG: http://fms.komkon.org Jul 01 11:56:08 ZogG: And a search at maemo.org Jul 01 11:57:10 RST38h so you are the one porting all emulators? Jul 01 11:57:22 ZogG: I am the one *writing* all emulators. Jul 01 11:57:35 Jaffa: how you like it? :) Jul 01 11:57:36 And not "all", really :) Jul 01 11:58:35 ZogG: any suggestions as to how to set up the adhoc differently? Jul 01 11:59:51 wifiprob, is it windows or linux machine? Jul 01 12:00:12 ZogG: windows Jul 01 12:00:13 7 Jul 01 12:00:17 i think it's set right as you can connect, but not sure if you set the internet sharing Jul 01 12:00:23 check for that thing Jul 01 12:00:26 google it Jul 01 12:00:50 macmaN: Heavier than I was expecting (and heavier than the N9). Screen is gorgeous (it's even more gorgeouser on the N9) Jul 01 12:00:52 ZogG: i've turned that internet connection sharing option to on Jul 01 12:00:55 RST38h are you from USA? Jul 01 12:01:04 and why would you provide your phone and all info ? =) Jul 01 12:01:13 ZogG: ? Jul 01 12:01:25 ZogG: Sorry? Jul 01 12:01:29 Jaffa so is N9 screen better? Jul 01 12:01:41 * lardman dreams of large screens Jul 01 12:02:21 RST38h http://fms.komkon.org/Resume.html Jul 01 12:02:30 * ZogG dreams of naked lardman Jul 01 12:02:53 ZogG: Yes. Jul 01 12:02:59 ZogG: It is a standard resume Jul 01 12:03:02 Venemo: 'Sorry for the confusion about developer.nokia.com IDs. In fact your username e.g. quimgil is enough, but all those extra codes are helpful avoiding mistakes. ':P :P :P Jul 01 12:03:07 * Jaffa played with an N9 prototype a few weeks ago Jul 01 12:03:08 ZogG: that is worrying :D Jul 01 12:03:14 hiemanshu, LoooooL Jul 01 12:03:19 * Venemo shoots alterego Jul 01 12:03:19 ZogG: When you want people to hire you, you obviously leave your coordinates Jul 01 12:03:19 RST38h at top it says you live in USA and there is phone number Jul 01 12:03:40 ZogG: Yes, that is my US address and phone number. Why? Jul 01 12:03:54 So, new version of BackupMenu is online! Jul 01 12:04:10 RST38h i thought you still in Russia Jul 01 12:05:00 ZogG: That is also correct. Jul 01 12:05:56 RST38h it's like Nobody, the movie Jul 01 12:06:42 robbiethe1st: awesomez! do you run uboot as well? Jul 01 12:06:55 Jaffa: yes N9 is just completely orgasmic screen Jul 01 12:07:06 =( Jul 01 12:07:06 Not currently, but I ran it earlier, when it was included with one Power Kernel version Jul 01 12:07:12 i want one too Jul 01 12:07:14 =((( Jul 01 12:07:34 MohammadAG how we get N9 here? and it would probably cost milions =) Jul 01 12:07:42 I just haven't had any need to run it... Meego doesn't really interest me, and I've got EasyDebian in place of Ubuntu etc. Jul 01 12:07:57 robbiethe1st: ok there is no issue with both of them being installed? i thought that both wanting to do something when keyboard is open might be something wonky Jul 01 12:08:02 Android might be fun... but the morons won't switch to uboot, so... not going to use Jul 01 12:08:07 Shouldn't be, no Jul 01 12:08:23 Backupmenu will only start after uboot starts to boot Maemo Jul 01 12:08:37 ahhh ok Jul 01 12:10:48 Jaffa stop putting n950 pics on twitter, people may die =)))) Jul 01 12:11:13 * lardman installs Harmattan SDK on his netbook for want of any other Linux machine with a network connection Jul 01 12:13:24 ZogG: link please Jul 01 12:13:37 hiemanshu which one? Jul 01 12:13:46 ZogG: Jaffa stop putting n950 pics on twitter, people may die =)))) Jul 01 12:14:14 hiemanshu obv it's on tweeter. search for @Jaffa2 Jul 01 12:14:18 Jaffa: to second fiferboy's question, what did you need to do in Launchpad, anything at all other than just having it setup? Jul 01 12:14:53 lardman lauchpad? for meego? like in ubuntu? Jul 01 12:15:31 it's a Nokia developer thingie needed to get the dev devices Jul 01 12:16:02 what? Jul 01 12:16:24 ZogG: Nokia Launchpad Jul 01 12:16:39 Jaffa: where are the devices being shipped from? Jul 01 12:17:30 i thinks it's better to get n950 chan =) Jul 01 12:18:13 yeah it might well be worth having something like that Jul 01 12:19:12 so i wouldn't be jealous here =P Jul 01 12:19:42 yeah Jul 01 12:19:51 well if its being shipped from china \o/ Jul 01 12:20:52 hiemanshu: Helsinki Jul 01 12:21:25 lardman: I got an email from no-reply-developer@nokia.com, subject "You have a Nokia N950 waiting for you" which gave me a link to the DDP to order it Jul 01 12:21:38 ok cool, thanks Jul 01 12:22:36 snail tracked more like it .. Jul 01 12:22:38 * alterego sighs Jul 01 12:23:12 I should probably do some work to get my mind of this ;) Jul 01 12:23:15 I know the feeling alterego, but at least we're part way there Jul 01 12:25:10 alterego: same here! Jul 01 12:25:15 (btw, hi!) Jul 01 12:25:38 No built-in Twitter for news feed or Google Talk, as far as I can tell :-( Jul 01 12:26:11 Jaffa: not in your build :p Jul 01 12:26:18 frals: :-( Jul 01 12:26:21 frals: apt-gettable? Jul 01 12:26:22 Jaffa: I think there will be diamond-encrusted N950s in 2 years time Jul 01 12:26:25 doubt it Jul 01 12:26:34 Jaffa what is this green thing near clock? Jul 01 12:26:37 as part of their Nertu line? Jul 01 12:26:39 Jaffa: When the thing advances to a real rarity status Jul 01 12:26:42 ZogG: presence for IM Jul 01 12:26:50 ZogG: or notifications, if its a flag Jul 01 12:26:59 frals thought so Jul 01 12:26:59 ZogG: Presence for IM. Facebook chat currently Jul 01 12:27:16 frals so how hard it was to have n9 and not telling people? =) Jul 01 12:27:25 Jaffa: does your screen timeout display the lock? N9 does and this doesnt Jul 01 12:27:31 the clock* Jul 01 12:28:19 macmaN: No, despite it being set to in settings. Due to power consumption of LCD vs. AMOLED IIRC Jul 01 12:28:53 ohhh Jul 01 12:28:56 mmmmkay Jul 01 12:29:01 nertu? nerdvertu?:D Jul 01 12:29:08 u got it jaska Jul 01 12:29:10 :P Jul 01 12:29:13 n950 has lcd right? Jul 01 12:29:14 Terminal, in landscape, shows about 7 lines with vkb. Jul 01 12:29:18 ZogG: Yes Jul 01 12:29:24 yeah. that is completely useless :) Jul 01 12:30:25 im struggling that there seems to be no indicator light on screen timeout Jul 01 12:30:32 of missed calls and messages Jul 01 12:30:40 it looks like a dead brick on timeout Jul 01 12:30:41 :) Jul 01 12:30:50 a damn goodlooking brick. but still a brick. Jul 01 12:30:57 haha Jul 01 12:31:08 it doesn't have any led, does it? Jul 01 12:33:14 It does. Jul 01 12:33:42 Jaffa: you can pinch to zoom in out and in terminal Jul 01 12:33:49 ZogG: ;) Jul 01 12:34:19 also can i haz headphoned on harmattan kthxbai Jul 01 12:35:07 frals, i think it would be hard for me. did you tell close friends? Jul 01 12:35:32 ZogG: i told none, not even my gf :p Jul 01 12:35:45 ZogG: which is why there was no leaks about it Jul 01 12:35:57 (more or less) :p Jul 01 12:35:59 but you are not the one who had it Jul 01 12:36:20 i don't have gf but i didn't get n9, it's unfair world here =) Jul 01 12:37:16 well I've got a wife and haven't got one yet, so perhaps there's a plateau somewhere in the middle ;) Jul 01 12:37:44 though Jaffa blows that theory out of the water of course Jul 01 12:37:56 lardman: :D Jul 01 12:38:35 * khertan__ click click click click refresh email limit excedeed Jul 01 12:39:09 imap idle ftw dude Jul 01 12:39:31 frals are you still in Nokia? Jul 01 12:44:11 macmaN, imap idle works when stupid implemented server do it Jul 01 12:44:34 dovecot ftw Jul 01 12:44:39 support finnish Jul 01 12:48:05 does N9/N950 email client finally support IDLE?-) Jul 01 12:49:57 anyone seriously considering to buy a n9? :) Jul 01 12:50:29 Yup Jul 01 12:50:37 Not seriously, I will do it :P Jul 01 12:51:38 hmm, anyone else have the SDK installed fall over with "No protocol specified"? Jul 01 12:51:45 s/installed/installer Jul 01 12:54:09 thats a X11 issue Jul 01 12:54:24 set XAUTHORITY to ~youruser/.Xauthority Jul 01 12:54:25 yeah, I'm just wondering how to fix it - what causes it, etc Jul 01 12:54:47 root Jul 01 12:55:14 alterego than buy another one for me =) Jul 01 12:55:33 pffft Jul 01 12:55:44 I'll buy one for me and one for my gf :P Jul 01 12:58:14 right, pointed the sudo -i term's XAUTHORITY env var at my normal login one Jul 01 12:59:10 ZogG: yes Jul 01 13:03:50 frals: Lack of Twitter & Google Chat is annoying. But let me copy some content on it from my N900 :-) Jul 01 13:04:37 Jaffa: the fact you can see "via Twitter from N9" should maybe hint that there is a twitter app in later builds ;) Jul 01 13:05:00 think ive seen gchat as well, but i cant comment on if that is being shipped or not etc etc etc Jul 01 13:08:13 * lardman pokes "Get Mail" a few times just on the off chance Launchpad have launched an email his way Jul 01 13:08:36 hello Jul 01 13:10:44 I've seen google talk on it too. Jul 01 13:10:49 Pretty sure it's there. Jul 01 13:10:51 Jaffa: i guess no easy way to migrate n900 conversations db over right Jul 01 13:11:35 macmaN: is that not saved by the Ovi Suite stuff? Jul 01 13:13:28 Jaffa, you're the worst. Jul 01 13:14:51 macmaN: I very much doubt it Jul 01 13:15:17 * Jaffa wants some threaded email so he can see if that's handled Jul 01 13:15:48 * macmaN wants working openvpn Jul 01 13:15:58 * macmaN needs to learn dpkg-buildpackage Jul 01 13:16:15 * lardman wants an email from Nokia Launchpad Jul 01 13:17:08 o/ Jul 01 13:22:52 * SpeedEvil wants an email from Quim. Jul 01 13:24:22 * SpeedEvil makes up with it by sending a nasty email about his courier site not propelry attributing openstreetmap imagery. Jul 01 13:31:27 macmaN: frals: Have you succeeded in adding CalDAV to Google Calendar? Jul 01 13:31:40 come again? Jul 01 13:31:50 reverse? Jul 01 13:32:21 I mean adding calendars from Google Calendar to Harmattan using CalDAV Jul 01 13:32:59 Jaffa: Yes, works for me. Jul 01 13:33:03 right. no havent tried it. i am trying to get openvpn going so i can connect to me intranet davical caldav Jul 01 13:33:23 X-Fade: Can you msg me the URL you used? There are two different ones given on Google Calendar's help Jul 01 13:33:42 Jaffa: https://www.google.com/calendar/dav/ iirc. Jul 01 13:33:45 how can i list all package where i am the maintainer in maemo extras-devel ? Jul 01 13:33:57 Jaffa: But let me check, this was from memory :) Jul 01 13:34:50 khertan__: http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/list/khertan/ Jul 01 13:36:23 Jaffa: Yes, that is the url. Jul 01 13:36:25 X-Fade, perfect ! thx ! Jul 01 13:37:11 X-Fade: OK, thanks. Have you done a couple of calendars? Jul 01 13:37:48 * Jaffa 's N900 is rubbish at Bluetooth. Jul 01 13:38:24 X-Fade, I've also the question for you ) Is there a way to see the statistics for maintained applications' downloads? Jul 01 13:39:03 Jaffa: No, only one. Jul 01 13:39:11 X-Fade: OK, thanks Jul 01 13:39:23 Jaffa: But you can add multiple it seems. Jul 01 13:41:05 X-Fade: Indeed Jul 01 13:41:11 X-Fade: Working for my main calendar, thanks Jul 01 13:42:48 X-Fade, I mean for apps which aren't in stable repo. Jul 01 13:43:44 divan: Copy url from statistics in downloads and change extras to extras-devel :) Jul 01 13:44:29 * Jaffa tries with a shared calendar Jul 01 13:45:04 o.O jaffa Jul 01 13:45:10 X-Fade, I've tried that, but it's javascript powered and pasting URL of statistics graph simply redirects to the page back. Jul 01 13:45:13 well? Jul 01 13:45:24 divan: It is in an iframe. Jul 01 13:45:41 divan: Use the outer one. Jul 01 13:45:46 hmm, I can't open it with chrome. Will try in other browser, thanks. Jul 01 13:48:45 anyone besides Jaffa got a confirmation email yet? Jul 01 13:49:19 not here Jul 01 13:49:39 but then Jaffa already had Launchpad setup Jul 01 13:49:44 * javispedro needs to buy a dell laptop for work, any suggestion? Jul 01 13:50:10 s/buy/choose Jul 01 13:50:21 yeah, don't buy a Dell Jul 01 13:51:06 X-Fade, is there any parameters for the stats script for scaling? I.e. to obtain that graph in bigger resolution, Jul 01 13:51:21 Not looking hopeful for the launchpad fast tracking happening today, oh well, wait until Monday then .. Jul 01 13:52:00 wait there's a tracking number? Jul 01 13:52:02 divan: Yeah, just edit the css with something like firebug. Jul 01 13:52:03 MohammadAG, not that I want to, but I'm forced. That's why I have to ask =) Jul 01 13:52:03 well there are still some hours left of today Jul 01 13:52:04 depends on the model and what exactly youre looking for from the laptop Jul 01 13:52:13 lardman, hahahaha Jul 01 13:52:16 lardman, you optimist Jul 01 13:52:16 X-Fade, :) Jul 01 13:52:17 i am thinking about about latitude 13 Jul 01 13:52:22 MohammadAG: fast tracking membership applications Jul 01 13:52:31 altho the battery life will likely be a murderous experience Jul 01 13:52:39 javispedro: :) Jul 01 13:52:48 * MohammadAG gets 2-3 hours on his HP Jul 01 13:53:00 divan: did you work out a url then? Jul 01 13:53:25 lardman, http://maemo.org/download-stats2/index.php?os=Maemo5&unixname=unixname_of_your_package Jul 01 13:53:33 javispedro, this should give you some ideas on Linux support: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/make/Dell/laptops Jul 01 13:54:07 divan: nice, thanks Jul 01 13:54:25 Wel apparently get dhl tracking numbers when we place the "order" at least Jaffa got one, would be very helpful for me. Jul 01 13:55:06 alterego, I haven't even got any response from launchpad, so I can't place an order at all Jul 01 13:55:41 divan, X-Fade: that would be quite cool on a random page somewhere. I never realised it was possible for extras-* and was always curious Jul 01 13:55:53 stick in the package name in question, get the graph back Jul 01 13:56:05 * divan second that Jul 01 13:56:32 lardman: Well it shows on every page in downloads? :) Jul 01 13:57:40 X-Fade: really? I've never seen it Jul 01 13:57:56 lardman: Don't use IE :) Jul 01 13:58:02 X-Fade, a lot of software in -devel and -extras not presented in Downloads Page. Jul 01 13:58:04 FF5 for my sins Jul 01 13:58:24 Venemo, ta Jul 01 13:58:28 I'm tempted to try IE as FF5 is such a slow memory hog Jul 01 13:58:48 Venemo: I don't think anyone has outside Jaffa :P Jul 01 13:58:51 FF>3.6 suxxxss Jul 01 13:59:45 Jaffa: ah, so Finland to India will take a while longer :/ Jul 01 13:59:54 X-Fade: also for the packages that are in Extras, I don't see a graph, just the total number of downloads Jul 01 13:59:58 lardman: Chromium Jul 01 14:00:01 lardman: or Midori Jul 01 14:00:12 webkit suxxxxxsssss Jul 01 14:00:18 Chromium was dog slow when I last tried it Jul 01 14:00:25 alterego, sure, but did Jaffa cheat? or how? Jul 01 14:00:26 * noobmonk3y blinks Jul 01 14:00:50 Venemo: he already had a Launchpad account Jul 01 14:00:50 Venemo: Beta tester for the process is what qgil says Jul 01 14:01:11 aaah. Jul 01 14:01:16 so yes, he basically cheated. Jul 01 14:01:19 :P Jul 01 14:01:30 :) Jul 01 14:01:40 very quiet on the Quim front today! :| Jul 01 14:01:41 lardman, chromium is slow? Actually, when I switched to chrome, I can't realize how could I use such slow browser as FF before.. Jul 01 14:01:53 X-Fade: Multiple calendars work :-) Jul 01 14:02:14 Jaffa: Good :) Jul 01 14:02:16 divan: not the rendering iirc, but the actual app itself wasn't happy Jul 01 14:02:32 Jaffa: whats even better, multiple MfE accounts work ;-) Jul 01 14:04:30 frals: Why'd I use MfE? If there was auto-VPNing, maybe ;-) Jul 01 14:04:49 noobmonk3y, probably Quim is busy kicking the Nokia Launchpad guys' asses Jul 01 14:06:22 third batch of names released Jul 01 14:06:24 lardman, chromium is slow? Actually, when I switched to chrome, I can't realize how could I use such slow browser as FF before.. Jul 01 14:06:27 ^^^^ this Jul 01 14:06:40 no n950 for me :( Jul 01 14:07:12 hmm, I've got 7 FF windows open, with at least 5 tabs in each; chromium was most displeased trying to do this Jul 01 14:07:45 actually, FF is not slow at all Jul 01 14:07:49 I guess I could try it again, probably will do it FF's plugin container decides to sit using an entire core @ 100% for a week again Jul 01 14:08:01 if you're not pleased enough with it, download some extensions that tweak its settings Jul 01 14:08:14 for example, the automatic DNS, or "FasterFox" Jul 01 14:08:21 * javispedro congratulates DocScrutinizer Jul 01 14:08:27 eh? Jul 01 14:08:32 DocScrutinizer: selected? Jul 01 14:08:36 o.O Jul 01 14:08:48 Jaffa: ok so the biggest thing about the old firmware on N950 right now is the fact that you cannot close apps with down swipe Jul 01 14:08:56 Venemo: there's nothing in particular, I'm on a very fast pc on a very fast link, but it does bog down loading pages sometimes, which is annoying Jul 01 14:08:57 macmaN: Aye :-( Jul 01 14:08:57 Jaffa: N9 had a setting in settings, N950 doesnt have it Jul 01 14:08:58 * DocScrutinizer searches the browser window Jul 01 14:09:00 DocScrutinizer congrats :)) Jul 01 14:09:05 DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia Jul 01 14:09:09 im getting like 20 random open windows there now all the fircking time Jul 01 14:09:15 DocScrutinizer, unless you have an evil twin named the same as you :) Jul 01 14:09:36 javispedro: He *is* the evil twin Jul 01 14:09:47 the third batch is actually interesting, cause I know more names from the third bach than the second Jul 01 14:09:51 *batch Jul 01 14:09:54 hmmm, /me doesn't really know a lot of names Jul 01 14:10:08 yoh indeed Jul 01 14:10:12 thanks Jul 01 14:10:20 DocScrutinizer: congrats Jul 01 14:10:21 where is the third batch? Jul 01 14:10:25 definitely not on the wiki Jul 01 14:10:25 Venemo: at the end Jul 01 14:10:32 it is Jul 01 14:10:39 also wazd got one :) Jul 01 14:10:40 javispedro: indeed the third batch seems the dirty dozen Jul 01 14:10:46 aaah Jul 01 14:10:47 I found it Jul 01 14:10:53 lol Venemo Jul 01 14:10:55 indeed, DocScrutinizer is there Jul 01 14:10:58 is this n950 giveaway like wimbledon, whomever makes it to the final (8thish round, wins by default?!) Jul 01 14:11:09 noobmonk3y, no Jul 01 14:11:21 noobmonk3y: the first round are the winners, the rest is MEH :P Jul 01 14:11:30 it's no giveaway, it's a loaner Jul 01 14:11:31 lol Jul 01 14:11:40 hey, i was in the second batch! recognize ME! :P Jul 01 14:11:41 DocScrutinizer, what is your project for N950 btw? Jul 01 14:11:49 DocScrutinizer: grats btw Jul 01 14:11:51 first of all hostmode Jul 01 14:11:58 thnx rm_work Jul 01 14:12:04 DocScrutinizer: on the list, even thou you cursed aegis! miracle! Jul 01 14:12:05 * Venemo wants hostmode on N9x0 Jul 01 14:12:13 * divan congratulates DocScrutinizer as well Jul 01 14:12:16 hey! we can now start referring to them as N9x0 :) Jul 01 14:12:17 frals: lol Jul 01 14:12:19 X-Fade: do you not have a device already? Jul 01 14:12:36 or N9(x0) if we want to include N9 as well Jul 01 14:13:06 frals, they are probably sending DocScrutinizer a device which has Aegis enabled on its highest setting Jul 01 14:13:14 lol Jul 01 14:13:14 DocScrutinizer, woo! looks like we've got most people that hang around on IRC and/or do something meaningful on this list now (no offence if I've forgotten someone important/does something meaningful and your not on the list) Jul 01 14:13:17 Venemo, lol Jul 01 14:13:24 javispedro: yeah wow, you're right though, lot of big names in this one Jul 01 14:13:49 with the little extra that when he tries to attach a USB pendrive, Aegis will blow the device off Jul 01 14:14:33 * DocScrutinizer votes for >> N9(x0) << Jul 01 14:14:38 Venemo, gives new meaning to the words security framework Jul 01 14:14:52 DocScrutinizer ++ Jul 01 14:15:08 Meh. Jul 01 14:15:11 Declined. Jul 01 14:15:16 SpeedEvil: :-( Jul 01 14:15:24 SpeedEvil got mail? Jul 01 14:15:29 Bah Jul 01 14:15:30 Termana, forgot to say, this is an anti-virus solution. that only happens when there are viruses on said USB pendrive Jul 01 14:15:34 SpeedEvil :((( Jul 01 14:15:42 Venemo, you read my mind ;) Jul 01 14:15:48 trx: Just now Jul 01 14:16:10 SpeedEvil i have got nothing :| no mail, no name on the list... this is even worse :| Jul 01 14:16:23 lardman: I have a proto, that needs to go back at some point :) Jul 01 14:16:24 Termana, it's a talent of mine :) Jul 01 14:17:01 X-Fade: ah ok, I was going to say that otherwise if you'd just used one before your memory is very good! Jul 01 14:17:15 trx, I might be wrong, but it would seem to me there should still be 20 devices without a name to them Jul 01 14:17:17 lardman: And testing on retail and developer is also a good thing. Jul 01 14:17:52 trx, or you could just be waiting on a rejection email Jul 01 14:18:13 Termana i believe so too, but waiting for any info is just painful now :| Jul 01 14:18:35 i would like to recieve even rejected mail Jul 01 14:18:43 so i can do other things :) Jul 01 14:18:48 X-Fade: so any news on the Autumn conf? Need to organise beers :) Jul 01 14:19:00 lardman: There won't be one. Jul 01 14:19:27 Not even a Meego one? Jul 01 14:19:36 MeeGo will possibily be in SF again in spring. Jul 01 14:19:56 sad, though that's ok for me because i couldn't make it at this point, not enough notice (or vacation time) Jul 01 14:19:56 hmm, that's a bit rubbish Jul 01 14:20:01 No, MeeGo has gone to once a year. Jul 01 14:20:11 69 people, <20 devices :/ Jul 01 14:20:16 when did that happen? Jul 01 14:20:26 * lardman should probably check some of those Meego mails he keeps getting Jul 01 14:20:44 DocScrutinizer: I second your comment about the dirty dozen earlier... Jul 01 14:21:37 yeah, I feel honoured to be in that batch, with all these great names around Jul 01 14:21:37 DocScrutinizer: I had an absolute WTF moment when I found myself there. I'd been willing to bet money that I don't have the slightest chance. Jul 01 14:22:15 dm8tbr: great, so N9 hostmode is on a good rail now :-) Jul 01 14:22:32 *nod* Jul 01 14:22:46 I'll have to build me a franken-cable asap Jul 01 14:23:09 just need to dig up some support from nokia, talking me thru the schematics I don't have ;-) Jul 01 14:23:42 dm8tbr: franken-cable - nice :-D Jul 01 14:24:02 DocScrutinizer: you got approved? Jul 01 14:25:34 SpeedEvil, yes he got Jul 01 14:25:52 :) Jul 01 14:26:22 thru the meego program or commercial dev? Jul 01 14:26:25 Submitted a response to check the refusal was based on the last version of my crappy 'project page' - but ... Jul 01 14:26:52 SpeedEvil: what was your project? Jul 01 14:26:54 pabs3: Meego program Jul 01 14:27:12 pabs3: Look at the bottom of the page, shows the 2nd and 3rd round approvals Jul 01 14:27:14 ah, nice Jul 01 14:27:18 frals: Basically platform based, with some crappy apps tacked on the top. Jul 01 14:27:29 http://wiki.meego.com/User_talk:Speedevil/Projects Jul 01 14:28:04 lardman: wasn't sure what DocS' real name is Jul 01 14:28:09 I could have claimed to have been going to develop something vastly more, but I don't think I have the abilities in terms of apps - coming up to speed. Jul 01 14:28:30 pabs3: nor is he ;) Jul 01 14:29:46 oh booooger.... round 4... and still no email!!! Jul 01 14:30:09 Anyone else found Bluetooth receiving/sending on the N900 to be sometimes unreliable? Is there a fix to the bluez configuration which everyone knows bar me? Jul 01 14:30:31 Sending what? Jul 01 14:30:32 Jaffa: always seems to work for me, sure it's not the other device? Jul 01 14:30:36 Currently unimpressed with the ability to reliably send my contacts from N900 to N950 over Bluetooth; and file import doesn't seem to work. Jul 01 14:30:38 noobmonk3y i know how it feels :/ Jul 01 14:30:49 Jaffa: Just sync devices? Jul 01 14:30:58 Jaffa: Worked for me without problems. Jul 01 14:31:20 X-Fade: Yes. Lots of it seems to be transferred, but not everything. Trying to send an individual card had a problem. Maybe that's the one with the problem... Jul 01 14:31:24 trx: you past of the special 62 as well? :) Jul 01 14:31:49 Jaffa: yeah, might be a broken record. Jul 01 14:31:59 Jaffa: I'd blame this crappy tool which imported contacts. Jul 01 14:32:02 X-Fade: :-p Jul 01 14:32:12 Jaffa: But that might just be me :D Jul 01 14:32:47 Hmm, no. Sending a contact card from N900 Contacts to paired N950 shouldn't say "Connection to Nokia N950 failed" Jul 01 14:32:53 It should transfer a vcf Jul 01 14:33:58 Jaffa: EXport contacts then try sending the (presumably) giant vcf file across Jul 01 14:34:44 Jaffa: Maybe you have some 12MP image as contact icon or so? Jul 01 14:35:34 Jaffa, you already received your N950? Jul 01 14:35:49 Jaffa: Congrats! Jul 01 14:35:49 oh dear, when you select export all contacts it creates a dir and makes loads of files, rather than just one multi-contact version.... Jul 01 14:37:07 lardman: Did that - but can't actually import from files! It seems to use tracker instead of a file picker. This means I can't select my preferred ringtone or my enormous Contacts.vcf file :-/ Jul 01 14:38:08 hmm Jul 01 14:38:22 I've got some vcf importer code somewhere Jul 01 14:43:42 hum ... end of the week ... seems n950 will not be for me for the next week ... :) Jul 01 14:45:45 DocScrutinizer: congrats! :) Jul 01 14:49:30 DocScrutinizer, aye, congrats. :P Jul 01 14:49:41 So is google+ worth it? Jul 01 14:49:59 n900-dk, not yet ) Jul 01 14:50:35 divan: So no need to sign up atm? Jul 01 14:50:48 khertan__: eh? Jul 01 14:51:03 Damn you, Texrat! Jul 01 14:51:03 I have G+ invites if anyone wants Jul 01 14:51:13 and damn you Google for your bullshit browser support claims. Jul 01 14:51:35 n900-dk, what s atm? Jul 01 14:51:42 hiemanshu, still no validation of launchpad Jul 01 14:51:47 DocScrutinizer: At The Moment Jul 01 14:51:58 err Jul 01 14:52:01 divan: ^ Jul 01 14:52:06 khertan__: right, so next week :/ Jul 01 14:52:08 I don't think anyone has that didn't already have a pre-approved launchpad account (Jaffa) Jul 01 14:52:26 ah ) Jul 01 14:52:33 alterego: how hard is to ctrl + f, approve! :P Jul 01 14:52:45 hiemanshu: I would like to try it, if you can spare one :) Jul 01 14:52:49 hiemanshu: it doesn't work like that. Jul 01 14:52:57 alterego: I know, I am kidding :P Jul 01 14:53:06 n900-dk: PM me your gmail ID Jul 01 14:53:07 hiemanshu: quim has sent 153 accounts to launchpad, the issue is with them now. Jul 01 14:53:07 n900-dk, pm youe mail Jul 01 14:53:11 And we don't know how they work :P Jul 01 14:53:37 does it have to be gmail add? Jul 01 14:53:41 yes Jul 01 14:53:42 Quim has given us a great amount of transparency into what he's been doing with this process, including golden hints that have helped, I imagine, a fair few people modifying their applications to get a device. Jul 01 14:53:49 only gmail works, gapps doesnt Jul 01 14:53:53 alterego, yep i think it s for everyone the same Jul 01 14:53:57 ohh I see Jul 01 14:54:20 As far as I'm concerned, now we're waiting for Launchpad to f'ing wake up, and there's not realy anything quim can do in that regard afiak. Jul 01 14:54:25 alterego: yes, Quim has been awesome so far Jul 01 14:54:30 what I'm surprised is how DocScrutinizer's launchpad account was approved overnight Jul 01 14:54:40 DocScrutinizer, despite your complains, seems that some Nokian does vouch for you Jul 01 14:54:44 otherwise I cannot explain that. Jul 01 14:55:00 I mean, I've been waiting half a year dammit. Jul 01 14:55:01 DocScrutinizer: you created your launchpad account quite a few months ago right? Jul 01 14:55:05 X-Fade: Documented my Google Calendar experience; ideally the wiki would be the place, but I'll leave that for other people to discuss http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=24441#post24441 Jul 01 14:55:07 javispedro: me too .. Jul 01 14:55:13 n900-dk: done Jul 01 14:55:13 alterego, yep quim and textrat made an awesome jobs Jul 01 14:55:17 javispedro, obviously we all made a mistake in not typing gibberish into the application. Jul 01 14:55:23 Heh Jul 01 14:55:25 hiemanshu: Thanks! :) Jul 01 14:55:29 gibidibidibidibidibidibidi Jul 01 14:55:32 that was my application Jul 01 14:55:38 :( Jul 01 14:55:41 It's the only thing the Launchpad guys understand! Jul 01 14:55:46 so it will be approved before mine! Jul 01 14:56:09 javispedro: I don't know, I don't know whether we should try and apply again or not. Jul 01 14:56:14 :/ Jul 01 14:56:28 alterego, you can't, it won't let you AFAIK Jul 01 14:56:32 It wasn't made particularly clear yet. but meh. Jul 01 14:56:50 oh, invited can't sign up ATM Jul 01 14:57:21 Damn Google for making me spoof my browser agent. Jul 01 14:57:30 Oh yeah, "There is an existing application already for this program" Jul 01 14:57:37 Well, at least it's still in their f'ing system .. Jul 01 14:57:51 I'm bored, I want to do something involving JSON .. Jul 01 14:57:58 * GeneralAntilles doesn't feel like adding contacts to yet-another-social-networking site. Jul 01 14:58:10 GeneralAntilles: google+ can f'off :P Jul 01 14:58:15 alterego: that's very broad... Jul 01 14:58:31 cpscotti: undoubtedly :P Jul 01 14:58:52 I'd say, find some "cool" webservice on the web and make a frontend for it.. Jul 01 14:59:04 I'm surprised at how little text Twitter produces Jul 01 14:59:06 I'd have to find a "cool webservice" first .. Jul 01 14:59:18 alterego, I agree. Jul 01 14:59:24 I'm not sure how they conned me into this. Jul 01 14:59:29 I deleted my Facebook account for a reason. Jul 01 14:59:52 GeneralAntilles: and you still have a life??? ;) Jul 01 15:00:03 GeneralAntilles: keep your friends close but your enemies lives in your database? Jul 01 15:00:28 * GeneralAntilles needs to update his biopic. Jul 01 15:00:31 I should really be doing a uni assignment that is due on the weekend. But it's a database assignment, and I just really don't feel like it :\ Jul 01 15:01:52 termana, step 1: get off the IRC :) Jul 01 15:02:10 200M tweets per day ==> 43Gb worth of text per day, if compressed, what, 30Gb worth of text? Jul 01 15:02:27 That "+1" link is particularly dangerous. Jul 01 15:03:19 crashanddie: more like 5G of text Jul 01 15:03:25 crashanddie: text compresses really well .. Jul 01 15:03:28 alterego: tried this http://www.geonames.org/ ? could be a starting point Jul 01 15:03:32 crashanddie: more like 500M Jul 01 15:03:39 crashanddie: 99.9% of texts are redundant. Jul 01 15:03:52 * alterego agrees with SpeedEvil :) Jul 01 15:04:08 I compress apache logs that are 100s of megs into a few megs. Jul 01 15:04:12 crashanddie: that would be one crazy research to do.. finding the "entropy of tweets" Jul 01 15:04:17 alterego, you cannot reapply. Jul 01 15:04:29 ah sorry, missed half backlog. Jul 01 15:04:29 I hate zombie processes :/ Jul 01 15:04:31 alterego, the entropy is vastly different, and it also depends on context Jul 01 15:04:42 cpscotti: looks interesting :) Jul 01 15:04:51 Sure .. Jul 01 15:04:58 alterego, for example, if you compress each tweet individually, vs all the tweets of a user, or the tweets of a whole day... et Jul 01 15:04:59 etc Jul 01 15:05:11 So 70% compression ratio is actually not too bad for a safe margin. Jul 01 15:05:16 Though, 30Gb is really nothing... Jul 01 15:05:28 I generate 2Gb of logs when I startup my server in debug mode. Jul 01 15:05:43 alterego: this one's even cooler: http://www.programmableweb.com/apis/directory/1?format=JSON Jul 01 15:06:22 geez.. I'm tempted now Jul 01 15:06:57 Heh Jul 01 15:09:07 cpscotti: that second link is awesome. Jul 01 15:09:10 * alterego starts hacking Jul 01 15:09:48 yeep! :D Jul 01 15:12:44 Google's only accepting people with strong social graphs? Jul 01 15:12:52 I have a strong social graph? (Woo?) Jul 01 15:14:00 frals: Do you know if Contacts > Import > File is supposed to work? It doesn't see a file called 'Contacts.vcf' in MyDocs/Documents/ Jul 01 15:15:15 GeneralAntilles, In other words, they are only accepting people who have done a deed beyond selling their soul to the devil - they have also given the devil all their data from all their other sites that they are with Jul 01 15:15:33 Termana, yeah, that's what's terrifying about the whole thing. Jul 01 15:16:07 goat Jul 01 15:16:10 oops Jul 01 15:16:48 MohammadAG, zombie processes are great. As a way to make jokes when teaching unix to students. Jul 01 15:17:06 javispedro: i prefer orphans, because you get to reap them :P Jul 01 15:17:19 nothing more disturbing for people new to unix than talking casually about reaping orphans Jul 01 15:17:25 SpeedEvil, meeeeeehhhhhh Jul 01 15:18:08 rm_work, hehe. Jul 01 15:19:15 * SpeedEvil realises he should have added a tesco grocery ordering app to his application. Jul 01 15:19:23 Meh. Jul 01 15:23:00 Jaffa: I assume it should, give me a few min and I'll try it here... Filing bugs and reflashing myself atm :P Jul 01 15:23:07 SpeedEvil, start making the launchpad application Jul 01 15:23:10 (and fixing bugs, true multitasker ;)) Jul 01 15:23:15 javispedro: ? Jul 01 15:23:44 SpeedEvil, technically you can also make OSS development proposals to the launchpad device program Jul 01 15:24:23 Thanks. I should probably try that. Jul 01 15:24:55 you need the launchpad account for the meego.com ddp either way, so it won't hurt. Jul 01 15:25:11 heya javospedro Jul 01 15:25:15 I've got a launchpad account I think Jul 01 15:25:27 alterego: I feel like switching on troll mode Jul 01 15:25:31 But a personal one that I don't think works for applying to dev programs. Jul 01 15:25:33 Heh Jul 01 15:25:37 helo RST38h Jul 01 15:25:53 applying for dev devices, ratehr. Jul 01 15:26:01 alterego: a perfect one to play with too :P Jul 01 15:26:11 SpeedEvil: you need to bump that one up Jul 01 15:26:16 Jaffa: do you happen to have a .vcf to send me? :P Jul 01 15:26:17 lardman: ? Jul 01 15:26:21 iirc it has to be a personal account Jul 01 15:26:35 * alterego wanders off .. Jul 01 15:26:48 lardman: yes - but you need to get approved through the meego program for that, and I just got a denied email. Jul 01 15:26:53 So - not so useful. Jul 01 15:26:54 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/MeeGo/#article2 Jul 01 15:26:59 bottom paragraph Jul 01 15:27:59 I can't legitimately say I've started to develop apps using Qt, as I know little more than the PNG guy about it. Jul 01 15:28:14 Maybe tomorrow after I've read a few howtos. :) Jul 01 15:28:36 well you have 30 days ;) Jul 01 15:28:56 But in that time I have to stop russia invading tuvalu! Jul 01 15:29:34 I did some basic Qt demos a while back but besides that I have zero Qt experience either -- but i'm actually quite excited about working with it, looks way less annoying than GTK, and i get to use C++ :P Jul 01 15:30:04 You can also do JS based apps with QML - or am I confused? Jul 01 15:30:08 Jaffa: also what color of the N950? the silver or the brownish one? /me likes the dark colored one Jul 01 15:30:19 i have the black one Jul 01 15:30:39 my nokia man said the silver one looks kickin' as well Jul 01 15:30:59 I prefer the black one, the silver would get dirty soon Jul 01 15:31:09 hiemanshu: It depends how it's done Jul 01 15:31:23 hiemanshu: It's also possible to make plastic which is loaded with metal for through-colour. Jul 01 15:31:30 But that's probably unlikely. Jul 01 15:31:31 Oops Jul 01 15:31:36 Ignore me - wrong phone. Jul 01 15:32:17 Jaffa, 12 or 8Mpx so ? Jul 01 15:32:37 khertan__: one more week, aaagggghhhh :/ Jul 01 15:32:42 :) Jul 01 15:32:43 yep Jul 01 15:32:47 it s seems Jul 01 15:32:56 I'd like to get a pink one.. Jul 01 15:33:02 :) Jul 01 15:33:04 just so it's eeeven more exclusive Jul 01 15:33:08 (lol) Jul 01 15:33:23 where do we reckon the Nokia Launchpad people are located? Jul 01 15:33:47 Hell Jul 01 15:33:49 If they are in the USA then we probably have some more hours, but if they are in Europe, then I think it's time to call it quits for the week Jul 01 15:34:06 * alterego recommends to those of you that, like himself, are waiting for launchpad news, to just do some hacking to get your mind off it :) Jul 01 15:34:13 It's actually working really well for me :D Jul 01 15:34:16 :) lardman probably in the uk :) Jul 01 15:34:23 s/uk/fi Jul 01 15:34:23 in Hell I guess they have all of Eternity so why isn't it done yet!? ;) Jul 01 15:34:49 alterego, mind busying doing khweeteur bug fix Jul 01 15:35:02 alterego, but during upload ... :) Jul 01 15:35:15 alterego: waiting to Qt to build on this windows machine :P Jul 01 15:35:15 lardman, final I bet Jul 01 15:35:17 err.. Jul 01 15:35:20 s/final/finland Jul 01 15:35:23 (stupid keyboard) Jul 01 15:35:31 s/to/for Jul 01 15:35:31 so they are probably on holiday then? Jul 01 15:35:33 ;) Jul 01 15:35:37 anyway ill do like the 28th going to viet vo dao training ... and when tired enough got email with good news :) Jul 01 15:35:58 what's viet vo dao? Jul 01 15:36:11 the day my launchpad application is approved I celebrate. Jul 01 15:36:14 french kung fu? Jul 01 15:36:19 with champagne. Jul 01 15:36:26 lardman, http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1lqm4_viet-vo-dao-demonstration_sport Jul 01 15:36:27 javispedro: do the chicken dance Jul 01 15:36:47 hiemanshu, not s french vietnamien Jul 01 15:36:57 http://supertunaman.com/cdl/cdl_v0-1.txt <--- Awesome License Jul 01 15:36:59 khertan__: ah ok Jul 01 15:37:42 hmmm, meegosweden giving away 3 devices too Jul 01 15:37:54 finaland, indeed Jul 01 15:38:02 hiemanshu: LOL! good one! Jul 01 15:38:20 cpscotti: I plan on using it :P Jul 01 15:38:24 Anyone know how to trigger the lock screen instead of just forcing the screen to blank? Jul 01 15:38:28 Are there any meego meetups in scotland? :) Jul 01 15:38:34 for real?.. COOL! Jul 01 15:38:37 cpscotti: https://github.com/hiemanshu/komedia Jul 01 15:38:57 A meetup here in WA would be cool :P Jul 01 15:38:57 cpscotti: look at the README :P Jul 01 15:39:00 But it will never happen :P Jul 01 15:39:07 one in India would be awesome Jul 01 15:39:14 I was looking for a LICENSE or COPYING file Jul 01 15:39:35 ah well I have yet to clean it up, I will after I rewrite the whole thing in QML Jul 01 15:39:50 awesome! Jul 01 15:40:07 Meanwhile on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N950-NEW-UNLOCKED-2-Years-Manufacturers-Warranty-/280703916898?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item415b41db62#ht_935wt_1141 Jul 01 15:40:10 WTF? Jul 01 15:40:18 hahhhahahahahah Jul 01 15:40:56 he's getting 10 devices? Jul 01 15:41:17 There is NO WAY that guy could have a N950 to sell Jul 01 15:41:21 let alone multiples Jul 01 15:41:29 no, he had 10 on order or so he says Jul 01 15:41:38 dude Jul 01 15:41:49 bingo, triggered the breakpoint I wanted Jul 01 15:41:51 now to debug Jul 01 15:41:56 considering the fact that everyone getting them is signing 4 pages contract Jul 01 15:42:08 best way to lost 350GPB :) Jul 01 15:42:10 unless someone just straight out stole them from nokia Jul 01 15:42:20 so, he signed 40 pages? Jul 01 15:42:20 and they really just cant track them Jul 01 15:42:42 well no i was just referring to the idea that this is a pretty guarded and tracked device Jul 01 15:42:51 macmaN, Jaffa didn't mention signing any contract to get his. Jul 01 15:42:55 RST38h, lol. Jul 01 15:43:12 Termana, launchpad has an NDA to sign. Jul 01 15:43:16 or nokia dev Jul 01 15:43:17 Termana: i think theres something implied when submitting your app etc Jul 01 15:43:31 right, what jp said Jul 01 15:43:35 RST38h, but I'm actually giving it a 20% credibility, not 0%. Jul 01 15:43:56 * jonwil wonders how many hardware read/write breakpoints you can set on an ARM CPU Jul 01 15:44:13 jonwil: mind explaining how that is important for a user? Jul 01 15:44:14 javispedro, nokia dev has one when you sign up for the premium account, possibly launchpad will have one too Jul 01 15:44:20 as long as your talking about the click through thing Jul 01 15:44:33 macmaN: Utterly not important to users. Jul 01 15:44:44 well not directly Jul 01 15:44:47 Its important to me as a origranner' Jul 01 15:44:50 programmer Jul 01 15:44:53 time to head home where there's no internet, so I won't be tempted to hit "Check Mail" every 5 min Jul 01 15:44:54 I. want. my. new. TOY!! Jul 01 15:44:55 but you make a product for users... no? Jul 01 15:44:57 someone who is debugging on an ARM CPU :) Jul 01 15:45:06 RST38h: 'this item was ended as no longer available' ... Jul 01 15:45:37 catch you guys next week, someone send me a google talk message if the Launchpad emails start coming through and I'll make a trip back to work especially Jul 01 15:45:39 lulz Jul 01 15:45:48 lardman|gone: Have fun Jul 01 15:46:10 javispedro: yea, definitely >0! :) Jul 01 15:46:12 frals: Sent Jul 01 15:46:12 lardman|gone, cya Jul 01 15:46:26 hiemanshu: It's the black/dark grey one. They all are. Jul 01 15:46:35 khertan__: It doesn't say Jul 01 15:46:41 Jaffa: and 16G I presume Jul 01 15:46:48 alterego: Just got my "N900" back from USB port replacement. And it's an N8 Jul 01 15:46:54 hiemanshu: Indeed Jul 01 15:47:00 Jaffa: "its magic!" Jul 01 15:47:01 :) Jul 01 15:47:04 Jaffa, ? Jul 01 15:47:12 Jaffa: :/ Jul 01 15:47:13 send it back with a letter "i no wants inferior telephone" Jul 01 15:47:14 Jaffa: :S Jul 01 15:47:14 Wanna swap? Jul 01 15:47:29 Jaffa, somebody needs to tell Nokia that's a downgrade. Jul 01 15:47:31 Jaffa: :/ Jul 01 15:47:40 Jaffa: wanna swap? Jul 01 15:47:40 GeneralAntilles: Worse, they claim it's a "goodwill gesture" Jul 01 15:47:55 the strategy right now is to sell it to some poor dumbuser bastard and get a 2-3 N900 for 100€/pop Jul 01 15:47:56 Actually, I'm not sure I can swap :D Jul 01 15:47:59 Jaffa: tell them to give you store credit for N9 instead Jul 01 15:48:00 Nah, that's called a "Ripoff" Jul 01 15:48:09 Their response is "PHONE UPGRADED" Jul 01 15:48:09 Jaffa, DDP, amsterdam or retail? Jul 01 15:48:31 (or "other"?) Jul 01 15:48:38 * SpeedEvil wishes he'd sent his n900 in for repair earlier. Jul 01 15:48:43 hiemanshu: they might not agree to that, since then they have to give out something that actually has value Jul 01 15:48:55 oh lol Jul 01 15:49:03 that ebay link lists it as 64gb Jul 01 15:49:08 looked real up to that point Jul 01 15:49:19 frals: well it might be 64G Jul 01 15:49:25 the guy definitely worked up a good item description Jul 01 15:49:25 frals: the RDA devices are Jul 01 15:49:34 probably spent a few nights reading hot f.m.o threads Jul 01 15:49:41 "oh i gotz the facts down now!" Jul 01 15:50:16 Jaffa, even though I feel for you, can I be the first to say: HAHA Jul 01 15:50:45 javispedro: Can't remember. It's "in warranty" Jul 01 15:50:48 Jaffa: I heard the N8 can fly, do you wanna video tape that for me? Jul 01 15:50:49 :P Jul 01 15:50:50 hiemanshu: well, lets just disagree on your first statement Jul 01 15:50:54 ;) Jul 01 15:51:02 frals: heh ok :D Jul 01 15:51:37 so what do I do when the n900 irremediably breaks on mine Jul 01 15:51:48 s/n900/usb port Jul 01 15:52:07 DIY :S Jul 01 15:52:31 Install a bootloader so you can get meego on the SD if things go wrong, buy an external battery charger. Jul 01 15:52:31 Jaffa: i cant even find "Import > File" so ye... Jul 01 15:53:06 frals: Contacts> the three bar at the bottom right > Import contacts > File Jul 01 15:53:11 wow Jul 01 15:53:23 HP has now a new developer device discount policy Jul 01 15:53:25 javispedro: Don't send it off, and don't bin the USB port Jul 01 15:53:27 Jaffa: i dont have the file option, but my build seems slightly broken atm Jul 01 15:53:48 frals: Ah, OK Jul 01 15:54:14 2 years old account = 10% discount, 1 app in catalog = 25% discount, 10 apps = 50% discount Jul 01 15:54:19 javispedro: But does it also have a future? Jul 01 15:54:32 RST38h, compared to Nokia? ;) Jul 01 15:54:43 javispedro:BTW, rumors say HP is talking with Samsung about usingwebos onsomesamsung phones Jul 01 15:54:52 javispedro: touche! Jul 01 15:54:55 ay, some bored dev Jul 01 15:55:10 make a terminal widget :< Jul 01 15:55:40 I just want to swipe another desktop and bam irc is sitting there Jul 01 15:55:42 RST38h, saw them Jul 01 15:55:55 RST38h, wonder what's rasterman up to. Jul 01 15:56:00 hehe Jul 01 15:56:04 ask him! Jul 01 15:56:08 bahhhhhhhh Jul 01 15:56:18 frals: Grr, text/x-vcard MIME type isn't supported in browser. Jul 01 15:56:44 DocScrutinizer: Did you receive an email of quim yet? Jul 01 15:56:47 /join #stillwaitingforlaunchpad Jul 01 15:57:32 WaitLaunchpad^^ ;) Jul 01 15:58:10 Jaffa's the only one getting an N950. Jul 01 15:58:23 * noobmonk3y slaps frals around a bit with the nokia launchpad waiting list..... Jul 01 15:58:26 while $Waiting; do sleep; done Jul 01 15:58:37 We're all getting jars of snakes. Jul 01 15:58:43 GeneralAntilles: for the others, its a conspiracy! Jul 01 15:59:13 GeneralAntilles, Jaffa's N950 is contaminated with snake venom either way Jul 01 16:00:16 ^ Jul 01 16:00:24 It's just a matter of time until he cuts himself on it. Jul 01 16:00:44 anybody know any other good looking microusb cables? example: http://www.osungoods.com/connectors/microusb-cable-green/ Jul 01 16:01:23 btw DocScrutinizer, you have to keep your promise to provide USB host! I'm already counting on it! ;P Jul 01 16:01:29 * javispedro has some ideas Jul 01 16:01:52 Mad Developer is a rather handy tool. Jul 01 16:02:00 let's see if they have replicated the gaia+musb design Jul 01 16:03:02 javispedro: yup, sure thing. (launchpad) No clue where to enter "launchpad" from "Nokia Developer" site, except by directly jumping to URL https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/DDP?sfdc.tabName=01r20000000L8iX Jul 01 16:03:35 Launchpad ID (as requested for by Quim's mail)? What's that? Jul 01 16:03:43 DocScrutinizer, no idea, I cannot get to launchpad from dev.nokia.com either. Jul 01 16:03:48 lolcakes Jul 01 16:04:22 afk Jul 01 16:04:25 o/ Jul 01 16:05:13 DocScrutinizer: if you don't have a launchpad account yet, you don't have the ID Jul 01 16:05:14 :P Jul 01 16:05:23 I think we're all still in the queue for launchpad :P Jul 01 16:05:27 * alterego makes a tweet Jul 01 16:05:36 I'm accepted as of 06-23 Jul 01 16:06:18 DocScrutinizer: your user name Jul 01 16:06:27 joerg_rw Jul 01 16:06:35 DocScrutinizer: your password Jul 01 16:06:35 DocScrutinizer: just send that to him? Jul 01 16:06:37 * alterego chuckles Jul 01 16:06:43 lol Jul 01 16:06:46 sure Jul 01 16:06:56 DocScrutinizer: did you alreadu send your AIDs to Quim? Jul 01 16:07:00 he doesn't need the AID numbers like alterego said Jul 01 16:07:02 incl AID-fooo Jul 01 16:07:08 alterego: he doesn't need the AID-foo Jul 01 16:07:16 Okay, so go to your account settings. Jul 01 16:07:36 Got to "Developer Account" on the right hand side bar at the bottom, scroll down to the bottom of the page. Jul 01 16:08:28 DocScrutinizer: try this link: https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 Jul 01 16:09:43 OMG! I've got mail - "A Nokia N950 is waiting for you" Jul 01 16:09:54 zomg! Jul 01 16:10:05 No, I'm kidding. Sorry guys, that's cruel. Jul 01 16:10:10 lol Jul 01 16:10:12 lol Jul 01 16:10:15 Hahah Jul 01 16:10:15 lol Jul 01 16:10:15 alterego: unexpected error occured Jul 01 16:10:18 Ah, the wind-up. Jul 01 16:10:27 DocScrutinizer: oh well, you're in the same boat as all of us Jul 01 16:10:32 * alterego gives DocScrutinizer a cup of tea Jul 01 16:10:38 yeah i wasnt buy that, nobody says "I've got mail" anymore like it's AOL times or something Jul 01 16:10:42 buying* Jul 01 16:11:00 I do :( Jul 01 16:11:01 DocScrutinizer will probably get the device beforeu s! Jul 01 16:11:35 macmaN, that was the real subject on Jaffa's email, that's why I used it :p Jul 01 16:11:53 oh nevermind Jul 01 16:11:55 i know, had to think of *something* to say Jul 01 16:11:56 I need to go to bed Jul 01 16:11:56 :) Jul 01 16:12:11 being an irc comedian is such a paying job Jul 01 16:12:28 "got mail" wasn't actually on the subject, that was me Jul 01 16:12:36 but blaming it on something else sounds good Jul 01 16:13:10 thats interesting did i somehow disable the swipe shortcut box Jul 01 16:14:16 DocScrutinizer, you were accepted? Jul 01 16:14:17 there are little question marks near some of the settings panel things Jul 01 16:14:24 that seem to do nothing Jul 01 16:16:27 MohammadAG: yes Jul 01 16:16:58 congrats DocScrutinizer :D Jul 01 16:18:36 that's it Jul 01 16:18:42 engadget made the wp7 app before meego's Jul 01 16:18:51 that shows were their allegiance/statistics are. Jul 01 16:18:55 meego is doomed. Jul 01 16:19:07 annnnd.. do you care? Jul 01 16:19:20 the whole thing is doomed. The world is doomed.. Jul 01 16:19:39 2012 is around the corner. at least we're going out with a really good phone in our hands. Jul 01 16:19:51 macmaN: precisely Jul 01 16:20:14 MohammadAG: thanks Jul 01 16:20:34 alterego: javispedro: http://paste.debian.net/121612/ Jul 01 16:21:23 DocScrutinizer: oh, I thought devices might appear there, well, you're a step ahead of most of us anyway ;) Jul 01 16:21:23 o/ now Jul 01 16:22:03 alterego: devices may appear at https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/DDP?sfdc.tabName=01r20000000L8iX Jul 01 16:22:35 or not, nfc Jul 01 16:22:43 cya Jul 01 16:23:06 * jonwil wonders if anyone is ever going to produce a normal sale phone (i.e. not a developer special phone or some limited-production one-off) that is as open as the N900 Jul 01 16:23:16 i.e. if anyone is going to produce one in the future Jul 01 16:23:24 oh btw. did any of you n950ers manage to sign into Maps yet? Jul 01 16:23:24 jonwil: neah :) Jul 01 16:23:37 i cant seem to sign in no matter what i do Jul 01 16:23:37 Guys, what was that CSSU tweak that made menus smoother? It was something about using the GPU.. I don't remember, but can't find it anymore Jul 01 16:25:20 all of the other attempts at an open phone (e.g. openmoko) have been junk. Jul 01 16:25:30 jonwil: base system wise or UX wise? Jul 01 16:25:37 system Jul 01 16:25:48 openmoko is junk mainly because the cell modem was obsolete even before the phone shipped Jul 01 16:26:02 jonwil: do you know any longer pieces of text about this? Jul 01 16:26:12 id like to get an overview of this issue Jul 01 16:26:15 it was dual or tri-band GSM in a world when most high-end phones had UMTS Jul 01 16:26:42 wasn't the iPhone 2G like that? :P Jul 01 16:27:33 So, I've been using eval to parse JSON Jul 01 16:27:44 Didn't realise there was a QML "JSON" module for this purpose :D Jul 01 16:27:50 in any case no, the iphone 2G was quad band GSM Jul 01 16:27:58 with EDGE Jul 01 16:28:18 well ahead of the openmoko phone Jul 01 16:29:27 hmm. by base system i meant software Jul 01 16:29:45 if hw was bad thats another layer of disaster Jul 01 16:30:32 The software isn't the issue (other than the clusterf**k that is the GPU drivers) Jul 01 16:31:07 How can you rotate the desktop when using CSSU? O_o Jul 01 16:31:16 ah Jul 01 16:31:21 wasnt ctrl shift r anymore Jul 01 16:31:22 alterego, in the QtKitchenSink module Jul 01 16:33:26 I think the video swiping in the N9 was lazy coding rather than a feature Jul 01 16:33:49 * noobmonk3y blinks Jul 01 16:33:58 since the window is just an overlay, I'm guessing when you drag it you're simply removing the overlay Jul 01 16:34:01 MohammadAG: lol... agreed! Jul 01 16:34:24 well.. let's say it was just "responsible coding" all the way. Jul 01 16:34:27 but nothing intended Jul 01 16:34:33 indeed Jul 01 16:35:27 MohammadAG, I said that a few days ago =) Jul 01 16:35:32 well, otoh, it shows that you can stop the swipe movement on the fly Jul 01 16:35:51 not like the animation on the n900 for example Jul 01 16:37:22 what does the acceptance email say? I'm on the 3rd list but have not received any mail (there is no spam filtering as far as I know). It seems like the others on the 3rd list have already received something Jul 01 16:38:20 gri - just fire quim an email - he said sometimes he's made a typo etc :) Jul 01 16:39:14 noobmonk3y: Including AID or without for now? Jul 01 16:39:22 javispedro, heh, probably missed it then :p Jul 01 16:39:49 Include everything you can he really needs your login name, AID just helps :) (So include all) Jul 01 16:40:51 try not to include AIDS though. Jul 01 16:42:11 lol Jul 01 16:42:11 yes, stay off dirty hookers Jul 01 16:42:23 or i guess in this chan, dirty hooks and hookers Jul 01 16:42:50 lol Jul 01 16:42:55 it's just that reading "AID(s) just helps" throws me off a bit ,p Jul 01 16:42:59 ;P Jul 01 16:50:08 ah, just at the moment I wanted to write him, the email arrived :) Jul 01 16:50:40 gri: the mail is a template, and can be found here: http://wiki.meego.com/Talk:Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia Jul 01 16:51:08 and quim also beaten me to it :-) Jul 01 16:56:59 shame on Nokia Jul 01 16:57:10 they didn't manage to send me a reply in two days. Jul 01 16:57:32 I guess yr still in the running? Jul 01 16:57:50 I'm accepted. I sent Quim my ID and all, plus applied for Nokia Launchpad Jul 01 16:58:12 http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24451&postcount=285 Jul 01 17:01:20 [18:24] This is really weird / amazing: http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/06/30/nokia-n9-wont-be-available-in-the-uk-germany-italy-france-spain-and-many-other-countries/ Jul 01 17:02:31 Venemo: it's like they really dislike me as a customer! :( Jul 01 17:04:52 kerio, yeah... where do you live? Jul 01 17:05:37 kerio, that's bullshit. Jul 01 17:05:46 That list excludes countries without Nokia web stores. Jul 01 17:06:32 doesnt make sense they had a release event in norway (iirc) if they are not going to sell it there Jul 01 17:06:52 so what? why are they excluding all of western europe basically? Jul 01 17:07:17 GeneralAntilles, .fi is on list despite having no web store? Jul 01 17:09:06 Websites that purport to be journalistic and yet have no way to contact story authors. . . . Jul 01 17:16:11 the "Account name" in developer account is a username, not my real name? (why can it be changed?) Jul 01 17:17:20 Venemo: italy Jul 01 17:17:30 although i probably wouldn't've bought a n9 anyway Jul 01 17:17:36 i'd totally buy a n950 though Jul 01 17:18:04 kerio, agreed Jul 01 17:18:05 Please Be Advised: Jul 01 17:18:05 SSO website will be offline for a few hours today while we complete website enhancements. Jul 01 17:18:05 Please come back soon as we will be up and running again shortly. Jul 01 17:18:07 hhihi Jul 01 17:18:34 Venemo, they exclude country which haven't nokia online store Jul 01 17:18:49 Venemo, but this didn't mean they will not sell it to this country Jul 01 17:18:56 s/country/countries Jul 01 17:20:11 mhhmm Jul 01 17:20:25 Khertan: hah, so they are going to fix launchpad? Jul 01 17:20:36 gah, I cant find my N900 :/ Jul 01 17:20:59 Khertan: PM? Jul 01 17:21:36 :) Jul 01 17:27:11 * GeneralAntilles works himself up to prototyping some UIs. Jul 01 17:27:27 GeneralAntilles, getting an N950 too? :) Jul 01 17:27:37 If I can get a freaking LaunchPad account. Jul 01 17:27:43 :) Jul 01 17:30:30 i just bought a cheap battery charger which is loading with 4.2 V. can i use it with bl-5j battery? Jul 01 17:31:13 Depends Jul 01 17:31:17 looks like the third batch brought a lot more familiar names Jul 01 17:31:17 Probably Jul 01 17:31:23 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jul 01 17:31:28 GeneralAntilles: don't worry about the launchpad account Jul 01 17:31:46 yeah - at least some useful people from here have got in. Jul 01 17:31:52 you can't get accepted to launchpad these days without a nokia employee pushing you through the process Jul 01 17:32:07 quim will do that.. it's not an approval process that you get judged on, just a formality Jul 01 17:32:17 ieatlint, that is what Quim promises to do, but he hasn't done yet Jul 01 17:32:53 Venemo: it won't be instantaneous... Jul 01 17:32:54 i dont have any experience with charging Jul 01 17:33:25 i have a launchpad membership, and i've not received a word past the initial acceptance email, so don't feel like we're somehow ahead of you in the game Jul 01 17:33:35 hey all Jul 01 17:33:36 i don't have a shipping confirmation or anything crazy Jul 01 17:33:39 hey wazd. Jul 01 17:33:45 ieatlint, DocScrutinizer had his approved within 24 hours with description "blahblahblah". Jul 01 17:33:56 I wonder who his guardian angel is. Jul 01 17:34:17 Jaffa's just sitting there with his N950 laughing. Jul 01 17:34:19 The bastard. Jul 01 17:34:33 :) Jul 01 17:34:45 Congrats to all that've been accepted :) Jul 01 17:34:51 do we know where he lives? Jul 01 17:34:53 xD Jul 01 17:34:56 because we can solve this. Jul 01 17:35:02 More or less. Jul 01 17:35:04 GeneralAntilles: Yup Jul 01 17:35:08 GeneralAntilles: I believe the technical term is cackling. Jul 01 17:35:10 Muwahahahaha Jul 01 17:35:18 Jaffa, how's't? Jul 01 17:35:20 Jaffa: I am going to find you and kill you within the next 24 hours Jul 01 17:35:23 Although getting the Contacts in from the N900 is proving a pain. Jul 01 17:35:24 GeneralAntilles, maybe DocScrutinizer was the smartest one with that description. upside: it can be reviewed very quickly. Jul 01 17:35:27 Did you nuke the DEVELOPER EDITION from the theme yet. Jul 01 17:35:32 GeneralAntilles: Pfft, no. Jul 01 17:35:41 Anyway, home time. I'll try SSHing on it from the train. Jul 01 17:35:43 does it blend? Jul 01 17:35:56 ieatlint: try it with yours Jul 01 17:35:56 Jaffa, I hope Hermes will help me grab my N900 contacts once I get my N950 Jul 01 17:36:22 bluetooth sync between n950 and n900 worked for me at least Jul 01 17:36:27 GeneralAntilles: haha, good question, id like to have that too Jul 01 17:36:33 hiemanshu: tempting... the number of geeks who would cry themselves to sleep over it would be impressive Jul 01 17:36:54 is it normal if I can't login into meego wiki? Jul 01 17:37:08 wazd, cycle your login on meego.com Jul 01 17:37:11 Broken "SSO" Jul 01 17:37:20 Jaffa: do it through totally intuitive Get Contacts menuitem Send Contacts in N900 Contacts Jul 01 17:37:28 thats the only way i was able to transfer them Jul 01 17:37:31 ah, thx Jul 01 17:37:42 N950 initiation was not able to find N900, even tho it was paired Jul 01 17:38:36 oh a nokia email .... Jul 01 17:38:41 i am so totally digging pinching the task switcher Jul 01 17:38:43 maybe the N950 thinks that its older brother stinks and it decided not to talk with it. Jul 01 17:38:47 Khertan: really? Jul 01 17:38:52 Nokia Developer: Create for Millions developer contest open now Jul 01 17:38:53 i think it is one of the best mobile games ev4r Jul 01 17:38:57 but not the good one Jul 01 17:38:58 Khertan: lol Jul 01 17:39:03 Venemo: good theory. id buy that one. Jul 01 17:39:43 macmaN :D Jul 01 17:39:44 or maybe nokia trained it to only listen to the rays of the sea Jul 01 17:40:17 venemo's was better Jul 01 17:40:32 even hearing that other things codename just gives me a bad vibe Jul 01 17:40:41 or i guess.. seeing in this case Jul 01 17:41:23 with the highly advanced "oh look here we finally figured out multitasking" mango Jul 01 17:41:55 or with the "you can totally edit all your office documents on you tiny ass mobile screen, and you will really want to do that too, we totally promise" mango Jul 01 17:43:07 i am all for pro-choice, but fucking with my finnish homeboys national pride company over im not too happy about Jul 01 17:43:18 * macmaN *end rant* Jul 01 17:43:39 not that they didnt do a very good job at it themselves too :P Jul 01 17:43:51 which sim type does the n950 have? Jul 01 17:43:55 regular Jul 01 17:44:01 its not micro Jul 01 17:44:04 great :) Jul 01 17:44:05 N9 is micro Jul 01 17:44:06 gooood Jul 01 17:45:47 bleh i gotta get out of this cafe and go buy me a new pair of socks Jul 01 17:45:53 and i dont mean the proxy Jul 01 17:46:20 thanks nokia for making me extend my trip for like 4 days thanks to this device Jul 01 17:46:23 * SpeedEvil ponders socks with an embedded 3g modem, wifi, and socks proxy. Jul 01 17:47:15 i think it would be the integrated proxy that could be considered the biggest competitive advantage to regular socks Jul 01 17:50:00 btw i should note Jul 01 17:50:14 that every time i unlock the lock screen on the n950, i feel sexy Jul 01 17:50:42 i feel like i could hit one every hot finnish girl going by in this helsinki cafe Jul 01 17:50:47 thanks n950 Jul 01 17:51:13 i asked my meego team friend who came up with swipe concept Jul 01 17:51:25 she didnt know but id buy that person some of their favorite drinks for sure Jul 01 17:51:50 * ieatlint notes that symbian isn't really from finland either Jul 01 17:52:24 and all the info i heard said that the n9/50 UX was contracted out by nokia, but i haven't heard who to Jul 01 17:53:16 macmaN ++ Jul 01 17:54:45 so is the n950's camera actually 8mp or 12mp? Jul 01 17:54:53 its 8mp afaict Jul 01 17:54:57 8MP Jul 01 17:55:04 settings only let you save up to 7mp images Jul 01 17:55:05 but a different model than N9 Jul 01 17:55:09 ok Jul 01 17:55:10 and non-CarlZeiss Jul 01 17:55:19 (afaik) Jul 01 17:55:24 hah, interesting Jul 01 17:55:34 * hiemanshu misses his iPhone Jul 01 17:56:09 ~nuke hiemanshu for saying the word 'iPhone' Jul 01 17:56:10 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at hiemanshu for saying the word 'iPhone' ... B☢☢M! Jul 01 17:56:49 Venemo: well it was a gift, and it could store all my music, and also fun games Jul 01 17:56:55 got stolen Jul 01 17:57:09 wow, I've never seen those ascii nuke symbols before Jul 01 17:57:18 N9(x0) will also be a gift, it can also store all your music, and also fun games Jul 01 17:58:22 nah, I need to leave now Jul 01 17:58:24 good bye :) Jul 01 17:58:24 Venemo: wure Jul 01 17:58:25 sure* Jul 01 17:58:29 Venemo: caio Jul 01 17:58:39 have a nice evening hiemanshu :) Jul 01 18:08:56 so is the n950's camera actually 8mp or 12mp? Jul 01 18:09:04 early revisions are 12, ones being sent are 8 Jul 01 18:13:35 8 isnt bad a lot, I still wonder how well they have improved since the N900 Jul 01 18:14:09 ok, cool... glad that is cleared up for me then :) Jul 01 18:14:34 the camera could be very integral to the grindr.com application i'm making Jul 01 18:18:26 'lo from N950 on train Jul 01 18:18:32 Keyboard is rather nice. Jul 01 18:18:37 * gri hopes the push notifications are working on n950 and not only on n9 Jul 01 18:19:31 * hiemanshu puts Jaffa's train off track Jul 01 18:21:16 macmaN: On N900, I don't have "Send Contacts" under ")et €ontacts" on %N900 Jul 01 18:21:57 Jaffa, this contacts issue is going to derail any other productive effort, isn't it? :P Jul 01 18:22:11 macmaN: On N900, I don't have "Send Contacts" under ")et €ontacts" on %N900 Jul 01 18:22:22 And I thought hildon-input-method was bad Jul 01 18:22:24 :P Jul 01 18:22:48 hah Jul 01 18:22:57 MohammadAG: try android :P Jul 01 18:23:28 hiemanshu, I'm assuming it's mistaking long presses on the hardware keyboard Jul 01 18:23:36 much like h-i-m does on the N900 Jul 01 18:23:48 som35hin_ lik3 t(is Jul 01 18:24:16 MohammadAG: that just made you l33t :P Jul 01 18:24:22 out the maemo leet dialekt? Jul 01 18:26:17 And laggy SSH :) Jul 01 18:26:50 Symbols are on different keys to N900. Wonder if it's gone back to N810 layout... Jul 01 18:27:16 MeeGo Terminal needs a font and colour picker. Green is pretty horrid Jul 01 18:27:19 well at least its a spill proof keyboard :P Jul 01 18:27:30 you dont like green on black? Jul 01 18:28:07 Trying VKBB for irssi over screen Jul 01 18:28:16 ah ok Jul 01 18:28:24 Lack of cursor keys is annoyibg, but it's about usable. Jul 01 18:28:39 yes it sure is very annoyibg Jul 01 18:28:56 hiemanshu: Green's fine when I'm feeling spoddy... Jul 01 18:29:13 Jaffa, swipe left/right in terminal Jul 01 18:29:30 that changes colour Jul 01 18:29:43 Genius: alt-backspace goes to app switcher Jul 01 18:29:55 MohammadAG: ah, thanks Jul 01 18:30:08 Jaffa: is the irssi+screen combination usable with virtual keyboard? Jul 01 18:30:11 ah yes, the swiping Jul 01 18:30:48 Jaffa: does it fell like a bigger alien compared to the N900 or the difference isnt that much? Jul 01 18:30:55 petteri: In landscape, just - but you only get a few lines of content Jul 01 18:31:34 hiemanshu: It feels bigger, until you put it in your pocket. Jul 01 18:32:02 Jaffa: you should show it off and not put it in your pocket, so thats fine :P Jul 01 18:32:33 Jaffa: ok, thanks. Just hoping that N9 is usable for me as I use irssi a lot :) Jul 01 18:33:17 irssi over ssh on gsm is unusable Jul 01 18:33:24 at least by me Jul 01 18:33:41 at least in finland it works nicely Jul 01 18:33:52 jacekowski: worked fine for me here in India Jul 01 18:33:57 Jaffa: you can pinch to zoom in terminal so you can get quite a few lines on screen ;) Jul 01 18:33:59 I used it for about 3 hours the other day Jul 01 18:34:58 frals: oh yeah, pinching finally :D Jul 01 18:35:54 hiemanshu: i don't like laggy stuff Jul 01 18:36:03 hiemanshu: and gsm by design gives you like 200ms ping Jul 01 18:36:19 with very high jitter Jul 01 18:36:54 then you shouldn't make overseas calls either :P Jul 01 18:38:18 hiemanshu: i don't Jul 01 18:38:28 hiemanshu: but with calls you don't have jitter Jul 01 18:38:34 and packet loss is less annoying Jul 01 18:39:03 jacekowski: well I call to the US often from India, so irssi over screen is much better IMHO Jul 01 18:39:13 s/screen/gprs/ Jul 01 18:39:15 hiemanshu meant: jacekowski: well I call to the US often from India, so irssi over gprs is much better IMHO Jul 01 18:45:33 macmaN: Creating a new send-onl channel from N900 Settings > Transfer & Sync is working better I think. Thanks Jul 01 18:47:56 http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnmk8ljV3H1qzwtdlo1_r1_500.jpg Jul 01 18:48:25 can someone check plus.google.com on n900? Jul 01 18:48:30 is it awesome as on iphone? Jul 01 18:48:38 (not trolling) Jul 01 18:48:48 just didn't get my n900 back yet Jul 01 18:52:32 ZogG: ok hold on Jul 01 18:53:52 looks like a non-mobile optimized website on my n900 (have no account there) Jul 01 18:54:30 gri: hmmm, well the N900 doesn't open the mobile version of stuff sadly Jul 01 18:55:12 in some cases this is the better way (my opinion) Jul 01 18:58:26 How come the new version of OMP is still not in repos? Jul 01 18:59:13 it never went in the repos Jul 01 18:59:25 Jaffa, did you get the N950's through Quim's program? Jul 01 18:59:35 MohammadAG: yes Jul 01 18:59:45 MohammadAG: he was a beta tester for the process Jul 01 18:59:46 :D Jul 01 19:00:08 shipping's fast in europe I guess :p Jul 01 19:00:26 oh, where to download the new version then? Jul 01 19:01:56 haven't updated the binary in quite a while Jul 01 19:03:11 anyone noticed the tags on this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74469&page=6 ? Jul 01 19:04:14 rofl Jul 01 19:05:14 hi Jul 01 19:05:43 what is the easiest language to do programming in on the n900 Jul 01 19:05:46 ? Jul 01 19:06:54 it probably has anything you already know Jul 01 19:07:02 * pabs3 likes python Jul 01 19:07:30 ... everybody likes python Jul 01 19:07:36 why? Jul 01 19:08:47 reasonably good syntax, no compiling, fairly comprehensive standard set of APIs, lots of addon APIs Jul 01 19:09:00 whats your fav language? Jul 01 19:11:01 my company has ported vbs to qt o_O nothing more to say ... Jul 01 19:22:05 I hate python Jul 01 19:22:05 well, dislike, it's slow on a 600MHz device Jul 01 19:23:30 MrOpposite|n900, QML. Jul 01 19:28:55 ZogG, what namely to check? It works, actually ) Jul 01 19:29:04 ZogG, btw, there is a mobile version: m.google.com/app/plus Jul 01 19:30:15 MohammadAG: no u Jul 01 19:36:02 my fav lang is java Jul 01 19:36:54 haskell is the best language, it's versatile, practical and easy to deploy Jul 01 19:37:54 ieatlint: does it have shared libs or do you need to recompile the world when a library gets updated? Jul 01 19:42:37 FORTRAN Jul 01 19:43:04 Forget your puny toy "programming languages". FORTRAN. Jul 01 19:43:47 i have to concede to that Jul 01 19:45:15 well.. python: it's quite nice.. you actually can rapidly prototype with it.. got reasonable support of libs etc. ... _but_ a language that interprets white space as something meaningful is imho kinda freaky Jul 01 19:45:46 * pabs3 likes that feature, keeps stuff readable Jul 01 19:46:03 competent programmers accomplish that on their own Jul 01 19:46:22 pabs3: sure.. it forces dev's to indent.. but it's still that white space should not be supposed to have a meaning ;) Jul 01 19:46:29 true Jul 01 19:46:45 01anybody knows the name of the track from Nokia Swipe Experience flash demo?01 Jul 01 19:47:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_language) Jul 01 19:47:46 rcg1: HTML hears you :P Jul 01 19:47:52 oooh, it's actually featured in video :) Jul 01 19:48:24 rcg1: ooh, i like that Jul 01 19:48:27 it's intuitive Jul 01 19:49:44 Some people actually thought that we would all be programming in XML =) Jul 01 19:49:52 Some still do. Jul 01 19:50:51 No one actually thought that :/ Jul 01 19:51:44 alterego: I am sure thebootroo did :P Jul 01 19:51:50 Hah Jul 01 19:51:58 No, he only uses SGML Jul 01 19:52:00 we live in a disturbing future... a future where sun is dead, and yet java is still growing in popularity Jul 01 19:52:19 and JS is gonna take over the world Jul 01 19:53:23 I like JS Jul 01 19:53:30 It's not perfect, but no language is Jul 01 19:53:45 But as a language, for what it's intended to do, it's very flexible. Jul 01 19:54:06 of the major mobile platforms in the US, only apple uses a native language... Jul 01 19:54:08 And no one has tried to replace it, people keep adopting it into other aspects of programming, like QtQuick for example. Jul 01 19:54:13 that's weird. Jul 01 19:54:36 Well, Apple like to have barebones at the moment, to keep the UX sharp Jul 01 19:54:58 You just have to use an Android phone and an Apple phone to notice the difference .. Jul 01 19:55:36 iOS UI is not sharp anymore Jul 01 19:55:51 i have... and the more i use apple products, i'm left with the soured impression Jul 01 19:55:56 wazd: I don't mean in stylisation, I mean in responsiveness Jul 01 19:56:09 it has never been designed for the features it has now so they really look "added" Jul 01 19:56:13 bah, ios is and always will be cisco Jul 01 19:56:17 ieatlint: don't get me wrong, I don't like Apple products at all, they're toys as far as I'm concerned. Jul 01 19:56:28 But they have done very well getting everything to work as it does. Jul 01 19:56:38 ieatlint: I agree there tii ;) Jul 01 19:56:40 ~too .. Jul 01 19:56:41 no, you're too .. Jul 01 19:56:53 alterego: i won't deny that.. Jul 01 19:57:03 they are user-friendly UIs Jul 01 19:57:06 Anyone have a recommended link for 'QML for dummies' or similar? I haven't really done 'proper' coding for a while - I suspect python may be a good route. Jul 01 19:57:33 damn, I really need that track :( Jul 01 19:57:41 SpeedEvil: I find going through the QML tutorial and then looking at the examples, reading the APIs is the best route Jul 01 19:57:44 but you're still left in a very linear environment Jul 01 19:57:48 well currently, iOS is the only real time mobile OS really Jul 01 19:57:51 android uses pooling Jul 01 19:58:12 hiemanshu: qnx/blackberry Jul 01 19:58:17 ieatlint: underwork Jul 01 19:58:20 alterego: Thanks. Jul 01 19:58:32 thought they had a device out? Jul 01 19:58:55 nope, IIRC its still not out, they are hoping to get it right in the next version Jul 01 19:59:20 wazd: which one? Jul 01 19:59:28 hah, ok.. well, RIM is perhaps more screwed than Nokia anyway Jul 01 19:59:42 true Jul 01 20:00:19 which is where iOS wins really, Apple hit the right spot, the only thing is its closed Jul 01 20:00:48 well, there's a lot more issue with it than it just being closed source Jul 01 20:01:03 but a religious argument on apple products is probably too off topic :P Jul 01 20:01:35 sry.. afk Jul 01 20:02:32 Jaffa, did you get you shiny new n950 to boot up? Jul 01 20:04:05 He was complaining about it not syncing properly to the n900 for contracts - so I guess so. Jul 01 20:06:48 contracts? Jul 01 20:07:02 err Jul 01 20:07:04 contacts Jul 01 20:07:21 SpeedEvil, ah. Interesting. I have been syncing for ages, never without issues. Jul 01 20:07:26 I've been up for 23 hours and I have no idea what my bodycock is doing. Jul 01 20:07:35 Only thing is that n900 has a slight bug in syncing over bt.. Jul 01 20:08:20 if you have synced to one device once before, it will sync on delta of what it has never sent, to that no matter if it has been flashed or whatever in between. Jul 01 20:08:40 So, solution is to always run on the n900: rm ./osso-abook/db/IME* Jul 01 20:09:08 that will clear the sync cache on n900 side and bt sync for contacts works again like it should Jul 01 20:09:36 SpeedEvil, why up so long? Jul 01 20:09:47 Not good for your health Jul 01 20:10:38 SpeedEvil, I can provide the hammer if you've got the head. Jul 01 20:10:48 konttori_home, how's life back in the sunlight? Jul 01 20:11:08 Yeah, well, I did get a migrane from it today Jul 01 20:11:33 konttori_home: I woke up at 1AM, after sleeping 4 hours, and couldn't get back to sleep. It's now 9PM. Jul 01 20:11:35 konttori_home: Did u give a test run for new eCoach? :) Jul 01 20:13:16 and actually, this week has been still insanely stressful. We are now working on making the final sales release. And it's starting to be nerve wercking fixing those last small issues that are absolute musts.. or so we think... and then waiting for the simulated test rounds to see if ageing is still and issue and is device crashing too often and this kind of final sales checks that can easily mean one more week of work. Jul 01 20:13:26 SpeedEvil, I hate it when that happens Jul 01 20:13:32 Sampppa_, I did! Jul 01 20:13:33 new eCoach? whuts new Jul 01 20:13:52 bindi: Totatlly new design Qt Components etc :) Jul 01 20:14:46 konttori_home: great! Did it work :) Jul 01 20:15:01 Terrific, but... It was consuming all CPU also when screen was blanked. I had trouble listening to music on Bt at the same time as ecoach was running. And I was missing at the end of the session an average km/h number and not just how many minutes per km. Both would be good. Jul 01 20:15:39 konttori_home: ok, i think i need to disable map centering + route drawing when screen is dimmed Jul 01 20:15:51 maybe aslo drawing the time Jul 01 20:15:56 Also, when swiped to recents, it was eating all CPU even in the main view, so usage of the rest of the device to setup a suitable track to play, was a pain. Jul 01 20:16:34 Main view is rendering the stobe effect all the time even when minimized. Jul 01 20:16:34 guys, i have two laptops but single ethernet connection. can i do this Ethernet>1st Laptop>USB>N900>mobilehotspot>WIFI>2nd laptop Jul 01 20:16:40 did u check if it was odnp or ecoach process eating all the cpu? Jul 01 20:16:41 The big start session button I mean. Jul 01 20:16:54 No, sorry. I can check tomorrow. Jul 01 20:17:07 konttori_home: ah ok, i might have forgot to disable that animation when activity is started Jul 01 20:17:17 Anyway, it looks stellar, worked really well, just need to get the CPU consumption down when minimized or screen blanked. Jul 01 20:17:26 konttori_home: but there has been also some weird cpu usage by odpn process Jul 01 20:17:59 konttori_home: yeah cpu usage was already very low so it must be this qml animation that is running somewhere still Jul 01 20:18:07 No expert of Mobilehotspot around? Jul 01 20:18:11 could be. For me, I had gaps in audio playback, so it was pretty bad. (considering music playback has pretty high prio) Jul 01 20:18:25 * SpeedEvil starts learning QML. http://sneezy.cs.nott.ac.uk/QML/ Jul 01 20:18:29 Wait - what? Jul 01 20:18:43 If qml app goes to bg, the rendering is done in software, so CPU consumption goes to the roof Jul 01 20:19:06 well, background or just minimized to recents. Jul 01 20:19:46 are there any issues on installing uboot on the latest maemo community release? Jul 01 20:19:57 konttori_home: hi! :-) Jul 01 20:20:06 DocScrutinizer, Hi! Jul 01 20:20:14 I assume it's possible to run QML stuff on the n900? Jul 01 20:20:21 Sorry for the silly questions. Jul 01 20:20:21 SpeedEvil, of course Jul 01 20:20:32 compengi, don't think so. But don't quote me. Jul 01 20:21:50 DocScrutinizer: any ideas? Jul 01 20:22:09 trumee: sorry, need to read backscroll Jul 01 20:22:42 trumee: MobileHS? Jul 01 20:22:46 DocScrutinizer: i want to share an ethernet connection between multiple devices Jul 01 20:23:18 trumee: get a cheap $15 usb dongle and use adhoc? Jul 01 20:23:32 GeneralAntilles, okay, thanks :) Jul 01 20:23:38 trumee: yeah, I never tested MobileHS, though I think there were reports of users who used it and were pleased Jul 01 20:23:54 hiemanshu: just need it for next two days, since the wifi around here is broken Jul 01 20:23:56 konttori_home: ok but i will check this issue and provide you newer version one of these days... i have time to finalize it now as my summer vacation begun :) Jul 01 20:24:17 Sampppa_, I'm very much waiting to get the cpu consumption issues solved. Then it's in usable state. Metrics in and it's just insanely good. Jul 01 20:24:26 hiemanshu: i suppose it is possible to setup adhoc on the laptop itself? Jul 01 20:24:37 trumee: ah, if its a laptop yes Jul 01 20:24:43 Sampppa_, ah, good. I'm waiting to get some time to code on mine too. One more week. Jul 01 20:24:59 konttori_home: and then control panel plugin integrated + graphs and its fine :) Jul 01 20:25:19 konttori_home: not that it matters anymore, but when you suggested I should apply for a N950 and you'd talk to the relevant guys about it, did you refer to the meego DDP or the developer.nokia DDP? Jul 01 20:25:21 agreed. Not much to do to be possible to call it 1.0 Jul 01 20:25:39 trumee: there is a very good chance it has NetworkManager, you can use that Jul 01 20:25:50 DocScrutinizer, fuck. I forgot to talk to quim. Jul 01 20:25:56 hiemanshu: on opensuse atm using knetworkmanager Jul 01 20:25:57 :-) Jul 01 20:26:10 konttori_home: language :P Jul 01 20:26:18 sorry. Jul 01 20:26:21 well either ways DocScrutinizer was selected Jul 01 20:26:29 hiemanshu, oh, good! Jul 01 20:26:47 thanks. I was already thinking of how I could arrange the device to him no matter what. Jul 01 20:27:01 We have only limited supply of n950s. Jul 01 20:27:12 yeah Jul 01 20:27:18 hiemanshu: what is gtk frontend of Networkmanager called? Jul 01 20:27:18 give me one more, for commercial apps :P Jul 01 20:27:24 trumee: nm-applet Jul 01 20:27:29 hiemanshu: cheers Jul 01 20:27:34 (I think) Jul 01 20:27:43 Haha Jul 01 20:28:01 I just got a bit puzzled when first I started on devel.nokia launchpad immediately, and then eventually found out there are actually 2 different programs Jul 01 20:28:36 DocScrutinizer: and you are in the wrong one? Jul 01 20:28:54 I'm obviously in the "right" one now Jul 01 20:28:56 :-) Jul 01 20:29:10 darnit :/ Jul 01 20:29:27 well either ways, I am far away in India, so I have to wait longer :( Jul 01 20:29:36 though it'd be a pity to take away one of the 250, when konttori_home actually meant I should apply for devel.nokia DDP Jul 01 20:29:57 I think I need the device before I start prototyping UIs. Jul 01 20:30:05 I don't have any feel for how the apps normally look or function. Jul 01 20:30:36 hiemanshu: hopefully you wont have to pay customs duty :p Jul 01 20:30:43 trumee: I hope too Jul 01 20:30:50 trumee: well something trivial is ok Jul 01 20:33:07 GeneralAntilles, yeah. makes sense. When will you get yours? Jul 01 20:33:25 konttori_home, dunno, nobody's gotten codes yet (except Jaffa, the bastard). Jul 01 20:33:32 Most don't have the LaunchPad accounts yet. Jul 01 20:33:43 Do you have a plan of what to develop? Jul 01 20:33:58 Crappy site: http://thousandsparrows.com/meego/ Jul 01 20:34:03 Photographer's suite. Jul 01 20:34:12 Light meter, exposure calculators Jul 01 20:34:19 But I'm working on the GPS logger right now. Jul 01 20:34:39 So you can geotag photos from your DSLR with GPX tracks from your phone. Jul 01 20:34:52 sounds good. Jul 01 20:34:52 GeneralAntilles, cool. Jul 01 20:36:42 konttori_home: anyway, seems USB hostmode for N9 is on its rail (modulo feasibility at large on that hw, and aegis), hope we make it just in time to get the right kernel for N9 rollout, so users don't have to jump hoops for getting it working Jul 01 20:37:09 GeneralAntilles, for the light meter, indeed, it's an interesting question what to use as the meter itself. ALS is behind some screens and I think we were calibrating the values just this week for the final device. I would assume that you get more reliable results by using the camera module. Jul 01 20:37:22 konttori_home, indeed. Jul 01 20:37:28 But then you have the question of sampling. Jul 01 20:37:34 DocScrutinizer, that would be sweet Jul 01 20:37:53 GeneralAntilles, you might also use the forward facing camera. Jul 01 20:38:25 Wonder if you could account for the ALS filters. . . . Jul 01 20:38:26 konttori_home: I think for N9 hostmode is a must-have, given the shortcomings regarding other plug'able storage Jul 01 20:38:26 But you have same sampling issue there as well. Jul 01 20:38:41 Lot less horsepower involved in getting a value out of that than the camera. Jul 01 20:39:46 GeneralAntilles: for the combined proxy-sensor&ALS there seem to be no datasheets available Jul 01 20:40:00 just mentioning Jul 01 20:40:42 GeneralAntilles: General principle in openstreetmap is you take a picture of the camera showing its clock Jul 01 20:40:56 Sure. Perhaps easier to start with ALS. I think it's pretty ok now, but our display experts are always wanting more. It's in reality like trying to figure the ambient light conditions by looking through a pin hole that points to one direction. Jul 01 20:41:22 Right Jul 01 20:41:48 Dammit. Jul 01 20:42:00 I just realised I wrote up an app proposal a couple of years ago. Jul 01 20:42:03 meh. Jul 01 20:42:34 Optimised openstreetmap camera including magnetometer and GPS. Jul 01 20:42:59 SpeedEvil, devices will probably free up. Jul 01 20:43:12 Yeah. At that time I was envisioning it as a hardware product. Jul 01 20:43:36 I wonder if it's worthwhile adding to project page. Jul 01 20:44:55 * GeneralAntilles wishes some of the default applications actually worked in QEMU. Jul 01 20:44:55 konttori_home: probably when the "window" in front of ALS was matte, the result was way less "pinhole" Jul 01 20:45:09 SpeedEvil, can't hurt. Jul 01 20:45:26 konttori_home: I'm sure this would collide with proxy-sensor usage though Jul 01 20:45:45 True. There is some changes in the latest protos (that I don't have). They added some screen. Maybe that does add some matte to it. Dunno. Jul 01 20:46:27 I think the sensors are separated, it's just the microcontroller that is shared. (but I could easily be mistaken) Jul 01 20:46:32 GeneralAntilles: True Jul 01 20:46:50 konttori_home: as mentioned above, no datasheets available :-/ Jul 01 20:47:40 Whatever team did the UX guidelines did a fantastic job. Jul 01 20:47:49 All of the materials there are slick as can be. Jul 01 20:47:58 Documentation like I've never seen documentation from Nokia. Jul 01 20:47:59 well, maybe once I got the iron at my hands, I can tell more Jul 01 20:48:22 konttori_home: _armattan's very cool. N950 keyboard is good too Jul 01 20:48:48 It's nice. Portrait home on n950 sucks Jul 01 20:49:00 konttori_home: Want Google Talk and Twitter accounts, tho Jul 01 20:49:05 konttori_home: true Jul 01 20:49:08 somebody needs to do a theme that enables landscape home. Jul 01 20:49:10 how do i get qtcreator to use qt 4.7 for maemo? where can i actually get qt 4.7 for maemo? Jul 01 20:49:34 GeneralAntilles: the question probably is how much power the cam modules really eat, and how fast they can ramp up and shut down again Jul 01 20:49:41 There should be a key in meegotouchhome-nokia style file that enables landscape mode. Jul 01 20:50:09 I'd do it but I don't have an N950 - yet :) Jul 01 20:50:18 konttori_home: A few rough edges on this build, and email client needs a good replacement (conversations and non-obnoxious quoting) ;-) Jul 01 20:50:21 GeneralAntilles: I could imagine even a kernel driver "/sys/advanced-ALS/lux" based on camera Jul 01 20:50:36 DocScrutinizer, ooh. Jul 01 20:50:48 DocScrutinizer, the forward facing camera probably takes very little. Als takes just like 140 microamps if I recall correctly Jul 01 20:51:06 Jaffa, does email client still choke on big mailboxes, does it support threading? Jul 01 20:51:07 Oh no, 140 was proxi, so als is probably less Jul 01 20:51:30 Jaffa, I so hear you about email. Jul 01 20:51:39 ShadowJK: dunno about big, but no grouping, threading or conversations Jul 01 20:51:46 * GeneralAntilles sighs at QEMU display garbage. Jul 01 20:52:18 Ah, so it's no better than N900 then :) Jul 01 20:52:29 konttori_home: no way to go to next/prev email either? Jul 01 20:53:18 no threads on mail is definitely a killer Jul 01 20:53:27 ShadowJK: At this point, a port of Modest to use the IMAP IDLE QMF backend would be an improvement. #include Jul 01 20:53:39 well I hope someone will port KMail or something Jul 01 20:53:48 \o/ Jul 01 20:54:02 Jaffa, there is. Just do a quick Swipe gesture to left or right Jul 01 20:54:31 konttori_home: ah, tried that and it didn't work Jul 01 20:54:31 i think "flick" is the correct term Jul 01 20:54:35 It's not intuitive, but quite good for quickly scanning through email Jul 01 20:54:35 to go trough emails Jul 01 20:54:37 * DocScrutinizer lols on #include Jul 01 20:54:47 Jaffa, well, it should. Jul 01 20:54:55 Sampppa_, yeah, true. Jul 01 20:55:25 konttori_home: got it Jul 01 20:56:02 good. I think we were making it a bit easier to use like two weeks ago or so. Jul 01 20:56:19 hey Jaffa, is there a nice *tutorial* on this device? :-D Jul 01 20:56:20 yeah it is better with latest builds :) Jul 01 20:57:22 I dunno how old this build is, or if there are plans to ship N950 updates Jul 01 20:57:30 Hmm... we should ask if we can send the sales candidate to developers as an update as early as possible. Jul 01 20:57:46 DocScrutinizer: it's in the middle and 3 keys wide Jul 01 20:57:51 We are changing the font metrics a bit, so I would think it would be fair for that reason alone. Jul 01 20:57:51 konttori_home: afaik n950:s will get update to sales release when it is ready Jul 01 20:58:06 konttori_home: +1 Jul 01 20:58:08 good! Jul 01 20:58:22 Jaffa, there's an update on the website at least. Jul 01 20:58:31 Dunno if that's what's shipped with it. Jul 01 20:58:32 easier for us to support when people are using the same sw version :) Jul 01 20:58:42 If nothing else, we might start developing apps or features you've already done Jul 01 20:58:43 GeneralAntilles: it's actually a downgrade :P Jul 01 20:58:46 konttori_home: also SSU needs a field test I'd think Jul 01 20:58:47 Ah, nice. Jul 01 20:58:53 (we just sent the metrics change in like 4 hours ago and I'm now waiting to see if it gets integrated) Jul 01 20:58:57 devices should have been shipped with 22-6 version, special edition for devkits Jul 01 20:59:18 DocScrutinizer, that would be nice, but otoh, we really are not expecting that it would need to work yet. Jul 01 20:59:23 Jaffa: you will get update, when sales sw is ready Jul 01 20:59:36 1.2011.22-6 currently Jul 01 20:59:37 konttori_home: :-D Jul 01 20:59:39 We have been using SSU now for some weeks succesfully internally, so it should work. Jul 01 21:00:15 22-6? Jul 01 21:00:18 yes Jul 01 21:00:18 Really? Jul 01 21:00:25 Wow. That's lame. Jul 01 21:00:29 konttori_home: it is a long process Jul 01 21:00:34 certifications etc Jul 01 21:00:59 and making a separate branch for that etc. was a quite mess :) Jul 01 21:01:15 konttori_home: somewhere in this whole meego DDP process there was a passage like "we expect you to come up with apps til end of the year" (OWTTE) - is this what you would guess as well for a reasonable schedule? Jul 01 21:01:16 Jaffa, recommend an open source Qt Components application to poke around in? Jul 01 21:01:56 DocScrutinizer: I vaguely recall there was a leak saying Sep. That does seem early though. Jul 01 21:01:58 GeneralAntilles: you should check qt-components source package from beta sdk. There is examples/meego/qmlcomponentsgallery application Jul 01 21:02:08 Ah, yes, I did see that. Jul 01 21:02:09 SpeedEvil: indeed Jul 01 21:02:11 that shows all the qt components and how to use them Jul 01 21:02:31 SpeedEvil: Sept might be announcement Jul 01 21:02:45 True Jul 01 21:03:02 'This is the new n9 phone, it runs windows' Jul 01 21:03:04 :) Jul 01 21:03:05 or FCC, or whatever Jul 01 21:03:20 what do you mean, like a reasonable schedule? Jul 01 21:03:31 I think there is enough impetus to preclude that - hopefully. Jul 01 21:03:31 that you make at least some app before the end of the year? Jul 01 21:03:35 or what? Jul 01 21:04:05 konttori_home: basically yes, there's for sure a certain deadline for N9 apps Jul 01 21:04:22 Interesting, can't swipe over virtual keyboard to get out of app Jul 01 21:04:27 esp for things like kernel patches etc Jul 01 21:04:46 The videos showes a swype config screen. Jul 01 21:04:50 Does that exist? Jul 01 21:05:25 Jaffa: outch Jul 01 21:05:29 konttori_home, any idea if the USB port on the N9 and the kernel are (almost) identical to the ones on the N950? Jul 01 21:05:33 Hmm.. we have fixed around 3000 bugs since w22. So, what you guys have is pretty different from the current reality Jul 01 21:05:48 Jaffa: it is for changing keyboard input language Jul 01 21:05:56 MohammadAG: It's probably unlikely - somewhat. Jul 01 21:05:57 MohammadAG, kernel is the same, but I am not sure about USB Jul 01 21:06:04 Jaffa: try to set more than one input language and swipe over vkb Jul 01 21:06:17 MohammadAG: thanks :-D Jul 01 21:06:25 Sampppa_: From off the screen should *always* act the same I thought? Jul 01 21:06:33 MohammadAG: Without looking at it, I'd imagine that it's much more likely the chipset in question has fixed USB phy - so it's more likely the USB is plugged directly into the gaia equivalent Jul 01 21:06:44 konttori_home: That's a good fixing rate Jul 01 21:07:01 Which may imply things for battery charging too. Jul 01 21:07:32 Jaffa, Swipe from within the VKB region was disabled to get as good input experience as possible Jul 01 21:07:47 you can still swipe from left or right on the application area Jul 01 21:08:00 It was a compromize that just made tons of sense. Jul 01 21:08:04 konttori_home, one more question, do you know which parts of the UI are open? Jul 01 21:08:16 I know the swipe + compositor are closed Jul 01 21:08:26 SpeedEvil: indeed Jul 01 21:08:40 konttori_home: Indeed, but it's caught me out a few times already. But glad (to be told) it's not a bug Jul 01 21:08:43 Home is closed partially. Lock screen and system UI components are also closed partially Jul 01 21:09:04 partially? Jul 01 21:09:08 BME closed - got a ping on that bug. Jul 01 21:09:09 Jaffa: also you see that it makes sense if u have more than one input language Jul 01 21:09:13 The left side Jul 01 21:09:23 SpeedEvil: ?? Jul 01 21:09:27 oh nice, mce segfaulted on my N900 Jul 01 21:09:31 Yeah, e.g. home has a library in lgpl that contains the switcher/recents view code and the launcher grid code. Jul 01 21:09:39 MohammadAG: lol Jul 01 21:10:00 DocScrutinizer: I subscribed to the 'open BME' bug - and got a message saying it was closed for n9 too Jul 01 21:10:08 MohammadAG: indicator LED + fcam issue again? Jul 01 21:10:11 the closed source version then contains a 3 panes and just pulls two of the panels from the open source library and adds the events panel in totally closed source code Jul 01 21:10:20 Sampppa_: where do you configure input languages\ don't remember seeing it in settings... Jul 01 21:10:23 DocScrutinizer, nope, it just did it out of the blue after a reboot Jul 01 21:10:25 same kind of thing for lock screen as well. Jul 01 21:10:27 SpeedEvil: aah that one, yes Jul 01 21:10:38 TS and keyboard were disabled, screen was unlocked, so I couldn't do anything but pull the battery Jul 01 21:11:06 MohammadAG, keep power button pressed for 8 seconds will do a hard power off Jul 01 21:11:22 Jaffa: settings-> time & date -> text input Jul 01 21:11:23 konttori_home, so adding homescreens/views isn't possible without some hacking right? :) Jul 01 21:11:26 konttori_home: how open is dialer? any changes to the better, compared to fremantle? Jul 01 21:11:27 konttori_home, on the N900? Jul 01 21:11:33 MohammadAG, no. Jul 01 21:11:39 I thought that was the case for devices without a pullable battery (ala N8 Jul 01 21:11:39 Jaffa: and the last setting is multi selection dialog :) Jul 01 21:11:43 ) Jul 01 21:12:01 DocScrutinizer, all pieces of code near cellular stack are totally closed Jul 01 21:12:10 as usual Jul 01 21:12:30 Sampppa_: Ah, cool. Ta Jul 01 21:12:40 well, atleast the SMSCB bug got fixed I guess Jul 01 21:13:43 Even N9 has pullable battery. Just not very convenient to access. Anyway, N950 also has the support for hard power off. And the battery of it is behid screws, so not conveniently accessible either. Jul 01 21:14:00 I'm assuming the N9 uses ofono? Jul 01 21:14:03 konttori_home: have you opened the n9 case? Jul 01 21:14:04 Ah, you emant n900. Sorry. Jul 01 21:14:08 if so, alterego's dialer is a possible replacement Jul 01 21:14:16 konttori_home: errr what SpeedEvil asked Jul 01 21:14:55 SpeedEvil, yeah, tons of times when I was changing the display to my device several times a day between different display batches. Jul 01 21:15:12 haha, sounds like fun Jul 01 21:15:31 konttori_home: Got any spare displays? :) Jul 01 21:15:37 by pullable battery I meant you can easily pull it out without using any tools :) Jul 01 21:15:38 It's locked behind two torx screws, then a bit of force from underneath and it pops up. Jul 01 21:16:02 konttori_home: So it's not too bad to dissasemble? The display is just I guess flat, behind the curved glas? Jul 01 21:16:29 konttori_home: And is the USB surface-mount or through-hole? Jul 01 21:16:50 Oh - forgot about the whole NDA thing that possibly applies - nvm. Jul 01 21:16:52 Nono. Display is in the curved glass. It's really quite marvellous what the display guys have done. Jul 01 21:17:01 Ah. Jul 01 21:17:11 Sounds regrettably expensive if it needs fixed. Jul 01 21:17:23 are the pixels flat or do they curve Jul 01 21:17:31 There is no separate glass. It's infused to the display panel itself without any air in there Jul 01 21:17:41 Pixels are flat. Jul 01 21:17:42 N900 you can get a whole new screen assembly for $80 or so. Jul 01 21:18:06 I thought it was gorilla glass Jul 01 21:18:08 so the distance from finger to pixels vary? Jul 01 21:18:12 Right, bed time Jul 01 21:18:15 I think display costs about as much as the rest of the device. It's just a hunch, I've never seen the prices. Jul 01 21:18:39 I can't imagine how a screen protector works on a curved screen. Jul 01 21:18:42 konttori_home: Battery saving mode > Automatic with configurable threshold is also a brilliant idea Jul 01 21:18:46 MohammadAG, yeah, it's some type of glass they use also in aeroplanes Jul 01 21:18:53 Also - will capacitive work with screen protectors? Jul 01 21:19:26 SpeedEvil, I would not put any. Capacitance is already so-so with so thick glass. Jul 01 21:19:40 yes, protectors work on the iPhone Jul 01 21:20:06 speaking of iPhones I love how the OS handles misclicks Jul 01 21:20:10 Jaffa, I don't see any point to the battery saving mode. Perhaps indeed it it would kick of all connectivity during the night. Good idea. Jul 01 21:20:19 How big is the distance between surface you touch, and display layer? On N900 it's huge, N810 less so Jul 01 21:20:20 konttori_home: :/ I scratch up my n900 regularly with keys and stuff - I don't imagine I wouldn't scratch up a n9 if I had one and was actually using it. Jul 01 21:20:27 iphone has much thinner glass. Jul 01 21:20:30 buttons have a radius, clicking that activates the button Jul 01 21:20:33 oh Jul 01 21:20:56 SpeedEvil, N900 has plastic screen, N9 has glass. Really scratch proof glass. Jul 01 21:21:20 ShadowJK, why does it matter? the screen isn't bending anyway Jul 01 21:21:20 yes gorilla glass is quite good Jul 01 21:21:24 * ShadowJK hasnt seen scratch proof anything yet Jul 01 21:21:28 konttori_home: One of the occasions I scratched the n900 involved putting a pair of seccaterurs in the same pocket, and bending up and down several hundred times. Jul 01 21:21:47 konttori_home: I assume it reduces clock speeds, turns off/delays some background tasks Jul 01 21:21:49 the n900 screen can easily scratched .. Jul 01 21:21:52 ShadowJK, it's probably close to 2 mm. capacitance layer is yet under the oled. Jul 01 21:21:54 But my BT is still on, so who knows... Jul 01 21:22:11 Jaffa: but it kicks in only after the battery level is getting low? Jul 01 21:22:14 Anyway, bedtime. Jul 01 21:22:21 MohammadAG, because on n900 the large distance makes for big variation depending on the angle you look at it Jul 01 21:22:31 Jaffa: it reduces display brightness, disallows background connections etc. Jul 01 21:22:38 Sampppa_: Yes, mine's just kicked in. Jul 01 21:22:44 Jaffa, the only one it needs to do is to turn of network use. That's probably enough to make a difference Jul 01 21:22:57 I see Jul 01 21:23:10 the n950 has a flat screen and normal glass? Jul 01 21:23:19 yes, and a TFT screen Jul 01 21:23:24 gri, yeah. something like that. Jul 01 21:24:01 TFT is better for some things and worse for others. The power consumption of white screens on oled is astounding. Jul 01 21:24:24 In bright sun from one direction, you can turn off the n900 backlight Jul 01 21:24:29 And N950 hsa stripe RGB, whereas N9 has Pentile matrix RGBG Jul 01 21:24:38 good night fellows o/ Jul 01 21:24:43 night! Jul 01 21:25:21 SpeedEvil, yep, I do that a lot :) Jul 01 21:25:26 ouh Jul 01 21:25:28 there is still no perfect display :/ Jul 01 21:25:36 N9s display has some quality issues for thin lines of white on black type of cases. that's why you see that all white fonts on dark are always so bolded. Jul 01 21:25:43 isn't the default theme on the N9 white? Jul 01 21:26:09 default black themes will use way less power Jul 01 21:26:20 No. It's a mix between Dark frameworks, light productivity applications and dark meadia applications Jul 01 21:26:35 Where in the world are the toolbar icons hiding. . . . Jul 01 21:26:36 Yes, creating a dark theme would save a lot of power. Jul 01 21:26:41 * SpeedEvil wonders how much 'off' with a teeny notification on the screen uses. Jul 01 21:26:45 why havent i seen pentile mentioned anywhere before... isn't it a major readability issue? Especially since vkb steals screen so you'd want to use 8pixel fonts to see stuff.. Jul 01 21:26:53 ShadowJK: yes. Jul 01 21:26:56 does anybody use sqlite on maemo with qt? Jul 01 21:27:03 ShadowJK: you basically can't use 1 pixel lines simply Jul 01 21:27:14 MoonTiger: yes? Jul 01 21:27:18 At least without knowing it's a pentile screen. Jul 01 21:27:19 GeneralAntilles, in /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/icons if I recall correctly Jul 01 21:27:28 or perhaps in base Jul 01 21:27:32 base yes Jul 01 21:27:33 SpeedEvil, so for text you effectively have half the resolution? Jul 01 21:27:42 hiemanshu, i am having terrible trouble with it and wonder if you could look see what i might be doing wrong? Jul 01 21:27:52 MoonTiger: sure Jul 01 21:27:56 ShadowJK, pentile works really quite well for most of the cases. Just not on white on black case. Jul 01 21:27:58 a minute Jul 01 21:28:08 how good is the N9 ts? wavy like droid? :P Jul 01 21:28:23 konttori_home, black on white then? Jul 01 21:28:30 hiemanshu, http://pastebin.com/XKvTLHG9 Jul 01 21:28:31 We have been working a lot with samsung and LG to get the subpixel rendering for pentile to look good. Jul 01 21:28:33 ShadowJK: Somewhere on that order. Jul 01 21:28:36 ShadowJK, that works quite well. Jul 01 21:28:49 It's empty here for some reason. Jul 01 21:28:59 * GeneralAntilles blames weird Qt SDK. Jul 01 21:29:02 * GeneralAntilles grabs the laptop. Jul 01 21:29:03 Something to do with how eye handles the edges in that case. Jul 01 21:29:20 hiemanshu, i commented out all but the simplest case Jul 01 21:29:28 ShadowJK, what is ts? Jul 01 21:29:31 MoonTiger: and what is the problem? Jul 01 21:29:31 I wonder how well saying 'screw it - ignore the colours' works for 1 pixel lines. Jul 01 21:29:35 bah. Cisco seems to have acquired the people who tested touchscreens with robots, and deleted the test results Jul 01 21:29:42 i keep getting "parameter count mismatch" Jul 01 21:30:01 i have tried every possible way to prepare a statement Jul 01 21:30:06 all give the exact same error Jul 01 21:30:28 http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/24/robot.test.shows.apple.htc.best.at.touch.accuracy/ Jul 01 21:30:35 MoonTiger: first off, use one convention for binding values Jul 01 21:30:45 k time to start writing that status menu plugin for the N950's brightness level Jul 01 21:30:49 wondring where N9 would be in that collection Jul 01 21:31:01 hiemanshu, i am ... the code i pasted is just commented down to the minimal and that is the latest incarnation Jul 01 21:31:34 MoonTiger: where are you opening the db? Jul 01 21:31:37 they were all the same method originally but i commented it down and started trying different variations Jul 01 21:31:47 lines 1 & 2 Jul 01 21:32:38 MoonTiger: QSqlDatabase db = QSqlDatabase::addDatabase("QSQLITE"); db.setDatabaseName("data.db"); and then db.open() Jul 01 21:33:00 hiemanshu, i thought you only had to set the type and name once in the app? Jul 01 21:33:22 gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/dsm/display can someone with an N950 do that and pastebin the output? Jul 01 21:33:50 which i do in the mainwindow.cpp Jul 01 21:33:57 MoonTiger: well if you are re-instantiating it, you should redo it right Jul 01 21:34:07 ShadowJK, ah, that's an interesting question. Dunno. Would be great to see. Jul 01 21:34:32 hiemanshu, i thought that once set the app knew the default database and from then on one had just to reference it? Jul 01 21:34:36 did i read that wrong? Jul 01 21:35:17 ok, font went in now. Time to go to bed! Night all! Jul 01 21:35:28 Night konttori_home Jul 01 21:35:32 night konttori_home Jul 01 21:35:34 MoonTiger: well if you are using the same one yes Jul 01 21:35:54 i am using the same database but not the same db object ... the original went out of scope Jul 01 21:36:34 MoonTiger: well from what I have done so far, you'll have to recreate the db object, so give it a try Jul 01 21:36:58 hiemanshu, thnx very much ... i will try that right away .... thank you Jul 01 21:36:59 :) Jul 01 21:38:32 konttori_home: you're aware of statum touch technology? Jul 01 21:38:38 stantum even Jul 01 21:38:56 konttori_home: just a sugestion ;-) Jul 01 21:39:19 for the next even more awesome device Jul 01 21:39:37 Yeah - well - capacitive seems to be the new shiny. Jul 01 21:39:59 We should have a N950 pool Jul 01 21:39:59 I wouldn't mind if it could be gotten pressure sensitive. Jul 01 21:40:02 konttori_home: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc Jul 01 21:40:27 I reckon well get launchpad replies, erm, wednesday Jul 01 21:40:39 we'll Jul 01 21:41:38 alterego: eh? did you get inside info? or just a guess? Jul 01 21:41:59 A guess Jul 01 21:42:07 There is no inside info :P Jul 01 21:42:09 DocScrutinizer: whats the status of that stuff? too expensive for the market so far? Jul 01 21:42:18 dunno Jul 01 21:43:04 alterego: well until then enjoy some music and code :D Jul 01 21:43:08 pabs3: Stantum seems to licence the technology to touchscreen amnufacturers Jul 01 21:43:13 * pabs3 looks forward to a phone with statum touch, qi screen, lytro camera Jul 01 21:44:17 With e-ink on the back. Jul 01 21:44:36 with another touchpanel on the back! :-D Jul 01 21:44:53 And a pico projector capable of 1920x1200 Jul 01 21:44:53 DocScrutinizer: with customizable buttons :D Jul 01 21:45:02 sou you can operate the device "in transparent mode" Jul 01 21:45:03 From 12 feet Jul 01 21:45:13 ar 86" Jul 01 21:45:16 at* Jul 01 21:45:20 Heh Jul 01 21:45:32 And LTE Jul 01 21:45:48 naah, 4xLTE Jul 01 21:46:02 Maybe they'll finally chuck in HDMI and USB OTG Jul 01 21:46:11 haha Jul 01 21:46:30 with a KB, scotch taped to the device :D Jul 01 21:46:37 And a camera that you can take a picture of a dvd or cd and it reads it to internal memory. Jul 01 21:46:43 alterego: only after they finished that case from unobtanium Jul 01 21:46:49 Hah Jul 01 21:47:01 How can you recycle unobtainium though? Jul 01 21:47:12 Probably still be plastic ;) Jul 01 21:47:23 adamantium? Jul 01 21:47:35 I wonder if we'll ever be able to design/print out mobiles with a 3D printer Jul 01 21:47:58 sure, and hang em on your walls :P Jul 01 21:48:01 And a real dream recorder Jul 01 21:48:10 hiemanshu, i am more confused now Jul 01 21:48:22 Like in red dwarf Jul 01 21:48:23 MoonTiger: umm, why? Jul 01 21:48:25 i thought the qsqldatabase was a effectively a singleton Jul 01 21:48:32 SpeedEvil: what about the whole phone case is combination e-ink and solar panel? Jul 01 21:48:51 so in my mainwindow.cpp i do the qsqldatabase db = qsqldatabase::adddatabase() etc etc Jul 01 21:48:53 instant case colour changes :) Jul 01 21:48:57 pabs3: Well - of course. Jul 01 21:49:08 then in an different dialog and class i want to use the database Jul 01 21:49:19 i cannot do adddatabase() again as i already have the database Jul 01 21:49:31 all i want is a connection to the default database Jul 01 21:50:48 adddatabase *creates* a database yes? Jul 01 21:50:58 it creates a new connection yes Jul 01 21:51:06 or is that the language qt uses to create a connection to the database? Jul 01 21:51:33 so basically i do that every time i want to connect and fire off quesries? Jul 01 21:51:56 * MoonTiger beats head against desk Jul 01 21:52:06 ugh wait Jul 01 21:52:09 you have me confused now Jul 01 21:52:15 so ive wasted 2 days because of the language used in the docs *sigh* Jul 01 21:53:01 adddatabase(...) is like creating a connection object of type "..." Jul 01 21:53:11 then i give it the name Jul 01 21:53:15 then i can open it Jul 01 21:53:29 if it doesnt exist it gets created as an empty database file Jul 01 21:53:39 then i can shoot sql to it for execution Jul 01 21:53:43 yes Jul 01 21:53:47 would that be correct? Jul 01 21:53:51 ok Jul 01 21:54:02 god what a way to learn the lesson Jul 01 21:54:04 MoonTiger: hold on, let me paste you my code Jul 01 21:54:08 thanks and so sorry to be so dumb Jul 01 21:54:12 thank you Jul 01 21:54:56 i think i got confused because i usually work with big dbms systems like sql server / mysql etc .... sqlite is different Jul 01 21:56:14 then if my connection object goes out of scope and gets freed i have to create it again .... its essesntially a state-less database Jul 01 21:56:19 * MoonTiger sighs Jul 01 21:57:30 MoonTiger: http://paste.kde.org/90493/ Jul 01 21:58:55 hiemanshu, thnx very much ... if you wanted to do an sql query in a different class altogether .... say a dalog box ... you would have to do the adddatabase(...) thing again right? Jul 01 22:00:22 wait... you leave the connection open for the whole app? Jul 01 22:00:47 MoonTiger: yes, I close it when its ending Jul 01 22:01:01 oh my god ... so of course it exists throughout the app Jul 01 22:01:03 because mine keeps polling data Jul 01 22:01:16 again ... i am used to oopening and closing connections as fast as possible Jul 01 22:01:21 web stuff is like that Jul 01 22:01:52 but if you closed it and had to open it again you would have to do the whole thing again yes? Jul 01 22:02:19 no you shouldn't have to do it again, you should be able to open it, since the connection is still set Jul 01 22:02:41 but doesnt the connection (db) go out of scope and get destroyed? Jul 01 22:02:45 oh wait Jul 01 22:02:57 close() closes the whole thing yes Jul 01 22:03:13 so then repeat the entire adddatabase() thing Jul 01 22:03:21 yeah Jul 01 22:03:28 thats where i have been going wrong Jul 01 22:03:33 but you shouldn't have to close it really, use the same object? Jul 01 22:03:50 well i am needing to connect from various classes / dialogs Jul 01 22:04:06 so i cannot reqlly use the same object unless i declare it on the stack and pass it around Jul 01 22:04:08 then dont close it, leave it open Jul 01 22:04:16 or make the ptr accessible with a get/set Jul 01 22:04:27 and use QSqlDatabase db = QSqlDatabase::database() Jul 01 22:04:43 so that line works on an *open* database Jul 01 22:04:47 not a closed one Jul 01 22:04:54 yes Jul 01 22:05:07 wow head meet desk Jul 01 22:05:30 thank you so much for your time Jul 01 22:05:34 i appreciate it Jul 01 22:05:36 :) Jul 01 22:05:41 MoonTiger: you want me to explain it in simpler terms? Jul 01 22:06:03 hiemanshu, i work with databases all day every day ... i think the nature of sqlite is throwing me off Jul 01 22:06:15 and maybe the qt thing Jul 01 22:06:21 MoonTiger: well not really no, its the same with MySQL or PgSQL Jul 01 22:06:32 ok then maybe explain for dummies? Jul 01 22:06:37 <--- dummy Jul 01 22:07:49 MoonTiger: lets say you have a house, if you want to enter the house you use open(), and when you want more people to enter in (new connections) you use database(), and once you close() the gate, you cannot open() the gate again Jul 01 22:08:28 ok Jul 01 22:08:39 makes sense? Jul 01 22:08:55 i think so .... basically i can open the db and leave it open for the life of the app Jul 01 22:09:00 yup Jul 01 22:09:07 then just get connections to it where i need them Jul 01 22:09:23 yes Jul 01 22:09:33 wow no wonder i couldnt get my code working Jul 01 22:09:37 thank you Jul 01 22:22:02 are the harmattan examples in the SDK? Jul 01 22:23:38 The Qt SDK, no, the Harmattan Beta SDK, yes. Jul 01 22:23:51 GeneralAntilles: err, where is that? Jul 01 22:23:59 No idea. Jul 01 22:24:05 I just know there're supposed to be there. Jul 01 22:24:13 * GeneralAntilles doesn't have a lot of scratchbox experience. Jul 01 22:24:31 GeneralAntilles: ah, there are in the sbox one? Jul 01 22:24:40 Believe so. Jul 01 22:28:30 hiemanshu, still not working *sigh* Jul 01 22:28:39 may i ask one last question? Jul 01 22:28:45 MoonTiger: the same thing? Jul 01 22:28:50 yes Jul 01 22:29:04 what was it again? Jul 01 22:29:15 parameter count mismatch Jul 01 22:30:02 say you do the whole QSqlDatabase db = QSqlDatabase::addDatabase("QSQLITE") etc etc in mainwindow Jul 01 22:30:17 then somewhere else in your app (say a settings dialog box) Jul 01 22:30:24 you need to access the database Jul 01 22:30:44 you cant use the db variable you created in mainwindow Jul 01 22:30:52 MoonTiger: ok, are you sure you have the tables created? Jul 01 22:30:52 so how do you access the database Jul 01 22:30:55 yes Jul 01 22:30:58 that bit works Jul 01 22:31:05 a plain sl query is no problem Jul 01 22:31:07 sql Jul 01 22:31:18 its the parameterized queries that fil Jul 01 22:31:21 because parameter mismatch is usually a db error Jul 01 22:31:21 fsil Jul 01 22:31:46 MoonTiger: how big the db? Jul 01 22:31:49 +is Jul 01 22:31:50 so all the examples i have found including yours are in a single file / class Jul 01 22:32:07 what if you have many diff classes all accessing the db? Jul 01 22:32:23 the db is 6144 bytes Jul 01 22:32:24 :) Jul 01 22:32:32 3 tables Jul 01 22:32:33 MoonTiger: upload it somewhere? Jul 01 22:32:46 the database create sql? Jul 01 22:32:52 the db Jul 01 22:33:07 ummmmm Jul 01 22:33:15 what would you look for? Jul 01 22:33:36 I'll test the code here Jul 01 22:33:45 GeneralAntilles: http://fpaste.org/KmEs/ no examples :/ Jul 01 22:33:49 ahhhhhhh Jul 01 22:33:50 ok Jul 01 22:33:53 1 sec Jul 01 22:37:18 hiemanshu, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7883332/qdent.zip Jul 01 22:37:28 is the entire project zipped .... its not big Jul 01 22:37:42 and the code is me learning qt as well so dont be too harsh :/ Jul 01 22:38:35 MoonTiger: and where is the db? Jul 01 22:38:44 it gets created in the code when it runs Jul 01 22:38:50 if it doesnt exist Jul 01 22:39:18 MoonTiger: which part exactly? Jul 01 22:39:29 mainwindow.cpp ..... chkdatabase() Jul 01 22:40:56 CREATE TABLE 'accounts', CREATE TABLE feedinfo, learn to be consistent :P Jul 01 22:41:44 it was code generated from sqlite3 cmdline Jul 01 22:41:53 but point taken ... i should be more observant Jul 01 22:42:11 ok Jul 01 22:43:29 MoonTiger: so you are creating a table with 6 values, and sending it 5 values Jul 01 22:43:47 well the autoinc field seems very confusing to me in sqlite3 Jul 01 22:43:56 im not sure if i should include it or not Jul 01 22:43:56 MoonTiger: you need to send a NULL for the auto increment field Jul 01 22:44:09 i tried that but got the same failure Jul 01 22:44:31 QVariant(QString()) Jul 01 22:44:35 or something Jul 01 22:45:08 very pdd having to mention autoinc columns in a query Jul 01 22:45:12 odd Jul 01 22:45:45 MoonTiger: it should be NULL, not a QString, just add it to the SQL Query Jul 01 22:45:58 NULL .. not in quotes or anything? Jul 01 22:46:17 no, just NULL Jul 01 22:46:25 ok got it Jul 01 22:49:32 exactly the same ... parameter count mismatch Jul 01 22:50:05 database not open Jul 01 22:50:06 wow Jul 01 22:50:20 i got a log message saying database not open at the prepare line Jul 01 22:50:55 hah see Jul 01 22:51:03 wait now i try again :) Jul 01 22:52:00 ok now i dont get database not open but..... still get parameter count mismatch Jul 01 22:52:17 if i take out the parameterized query and just do string conact it works Jul 01 22:52:21 concat Jul 01 22:52:38 its the prepare thing .... i think something is wrong in the version of qt i have Jul 01 22:52:43 which i think is 4.6.2 Jul 01 22:52:53 but i dont even know how to tell that Jul 01 22:53:11 my qtsdk folder for maemo is 4.6.2 Jul 01 22:53:31 MoonTiger: help > about qt creator Jul 01 22:53:50 well i have 4.7.4 on my pc Jul 01 22:54:07 but the maemo qtsdk folder inside the qtsdk folder says 4.6.2 Jul 01 22:54:18 and it builds the maemo version with 4.6.2 Jul 01 22:54:25 MoonTiger: try using addBindValue instead of bindValue? Jul 01 22:54:26 according to the output Jul 01 22:54:30 tried that Jul 01 22:54:44 thats why the code is such a mess right now ... i tried every variation on the theme Jul 01 22:54:53 addbindvalue Jul 01 22:54:55 bindvalue Jul 01 22:55:03 positional vs named Jul 01 22:55:14 always "parameter count mismatch" Jul 01 22:55:26 what is the videoplayer called in maemo? Jul 01 22:55:29 MoonTiger: ok try #qt Jul 01 22:55:31 i even looked at the qsqlquery source code Jul 01 22:55:43 MoonTiger: because I have to sleep, its 4:30 AM :P Jul 01 22:55:43 if I were to laumch it from commandline Jul 01 22:55:51 i tried there and they say "dont know about maemo" Jul 01 22:56:04 i tried #qt-maemo but nobody answers Jul 01 22:56:10 MoonTiger: just ask em saying it a qt question, wont be any different Jul 01 22:56:17 thanks so much for trying .... i really do appreciate it Jul 01 22:56:22 dont tell them its maemo, say its desktop Jul 01 22:56:29 they say it works for them Jul 01 22:56:30 because there isnt maemo specific bits in here Jul 01 22:56:42 well it works for me too :P Jul 01 22:56:43 i should try a desktop verison of just that to test it Jul 01 22:56:53 yes, do that Jul 01 22:56:54 do u use qtcreator? Jul 01 22:56:58 yup Jul 01 22:57:17 when u build for meamo does the compiler output mention 4.6.2? Jul 01 22:57:23 or 4.7 Jul 01 22:58:36 hold on Jul 01 22:58:50 k Jul 01 22:59:31 4.6.2 Jul 01 22:59:37 ok same as me Jul 01 22:59:42 ok thanks that helps Jul 01 22:59:45 then t is my code Jul 01 22:59:54 i can figure it out eventually Jul 01 22:59:56 :) Jul 01 23:00:12 MoonTiger: the current code is the latest one? Jul 01 23:00:15 the one I ahve? Jul 01 23:00:21 QSqlQuery sql(); is wrong :P Jul 01 23:00:25 well its been hacked quite a bit Jul 01 23:00:26 i know Jul 01 23:00:28 i saw that Jul 01 23:00:31 tha was ahack Jul 01 23:00:40 it did have a db in it Jul 01 23:00:45 but i removed the db and forgot that Jul 01 23:00:50 but it want like that before Jul 01 23:00:57 wasnt Jul 01 23:01:17 i think i have missed something in my understanding of sqlite Jul 01 23:01:28 i think i miust build a desktop verson i can step thru Jul 01 23:01:33 then i can move that to maemo Jul 01 23:02:09 cant thank you enough for taking the time to help :) Jul 01 23:02:53 and honestly i am a very neat and tidy programmer ... been coding for 20yrs now and work with dbs all day every day as well as php / c# / c++ / etc Jul 01 23:03:09 so the mess you see there is just from me hacking things around to try different versions Jul 01 23:03:12 :| Jul 01 23:03:24 20 years? wow Jul 01 23:03:31 yah Jul 01 23:03:36 * hiemanshu is barely 21 Jul 01 23:03:44 hehe :) Jul 01 23:03:54 you are coding for more time than I can even speak : Jul 01 23:03:55 :P Jul 01 23:03:58 lol Jul 01 23:04:03 but always learning Jul 01 23:04:24 yeah, thats one that never changes Jul 01 23:04:25 anyways Jul 01 23:04:28 and i am very very anal with code .... programmers who work for me have to stick to very strict standards Jul 01 23:04:33 thanks again Jul 01 23:04:38 * hiemanshu is off to sleep Jul 01 23:04:41 me too Jul 01 23:04:44 late here Jul 01 23:05:02 nite Jul 01 23:26:03 o/ javispedro Jul 01 23:26:08 evening gentlemen Jul 01 23:26:26 people are making beatiful icons Jul 01 23:26:45 I quite like the spotify one -- http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/files/4e0dd9cfc1bcc_icon.png Jul 01 23:26:53 looks like perfection Jul 01 23:27:24 (might have something to do with my favourite color being green though ;) ) Jul 01 23:29:29 javispedro: made using your script? Jul 01 23:29:46 my script just makes the background, remember Jul 01 23:29:58 (and chooses the color) Jul 01 23:30:18 Karma whore Jul 01 23:30:27 Only possible logic Jul 01 23:30:39 javispedro: well atleast I can use exisiting icons :D Jul 01 23:30:39 GAN900: have to say I made it before finding the nokia icon materials =) Jul 01 23:31:08 Hehehe Jul 01 23:44:52 good morning Jul 01 23:56:03 god, i know i've been working too hard when i read your name as TermanaDesfire Jul 02 00:05:47 Did anyone manage to install both FREMANTLE_* and HARMATTAN_* targets in a single Scratchbox environment? Jul 02 00:06:34 javispedro, and based on his notes, me Jul 02 00:07:07 "someone" told me there should now be a transcription of a manual harmattan sbox install somewhere in harmattan-dev Jul 02 00:07:51 who's this "dimitri" everyone's talking about on tmo? Jul 02 00:08:04 found it -- http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Troubleshooting_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK_manuallyhttp://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Troubleshooting_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK_manually Jul 02 00:08:07 oops. Jul 02 00:08:11 correct URL is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Troubleshooting_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK_manually Jul 02 00:08:44 MohammadAG: i believe it's this guy Jul 02 00:08:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ8UVHGAzfs Jul 02 00:09:17 (though I've not seen which context you're talking about) Jul 02 00:10:04 lol wtf Jul 02 00:10:19 what's the original video? Jul 02 00:10:52 dunno Jul 02 00:11:16 I might ask for translation on monday if I remember :D Jul 02 00:11:30 god youtube comments are lulz Jul 02 00:11:30 "Processor? HDMI output? Can anyone tell me whether this has those features or not?" Jul 02 00:11:41 thinking of replying "No, it runs without a processor" Jul 02 00:11:49 hahaha Jul 02 00:12:00 javispedro: Thanks for the URL. Will try that. I have FREMANTLE targets installed on Ubuntu amd64 (forced i386 install as per maemo.org wiki). Now the new scratchbox-core version (amd64) is conflicting with the old version (i386) Jul 02 00:12:14 Scifi: keep the i386 version Jul 02 00:12:23 Scifi: I mean, upgrade, but upgrade to the i386 one. Jul 02 00:12:53 javispedro: OK, then just install the HARMATTAN targets on top right? Jul 02 00:12:55 if you ever rm -rf /scratchbox, reinstall the amd64 though ;) Jul 02 00:13:05 Scifi: after upgrading sbox, yes. Jul 02 00:13:54 I wonder why Nokia made the Jessie's girl ad for the N950 Jul 02 00:13:57 they never used it Jul 02 00:14:13 elop killed n950? Jul 02 00:14:26 the bastard Jul 02 00:14:54 javispedro: That was my intention. I took a backup (and VBox snapshot) in any case. So now I have scratchbox upgraded to latest amd64 + HARMATTAN targets installed. How do I get Fremantle on this? Jul 02 00:15:09 and I wonder why they changed the colour, it was macbook-ish at the start afaik Jul 02 00:15:34 Scifi: so, now follow the fremantle manual install :) Jul 02 00:16:53 Scifi: you just need to install the packages that you do not have already installed from harmattan, this includes all the toolchains. Jul 02 00:17:00 Scifi: and unpack the rootstraps Jul 02 00:18:26 MohammadAG: mass public = apple-like. developers = ugly Jul 02 00:18:37 j/k ;) Jul 02 00:20:02 javispedro: Error is "Unable to locate package scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7". I noticed that the package repository for fremantle and harmattan are different. Can/Should I use both in sources.list? Jul 02 00:20:14 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74544 the last paragraph is umm, random? :P Jul 02 00:20:33 Scifi: I don't use debian. I suggest you don't put the older repo in sources.list but get the required apophis packages manually Jul 02 00:21:23 javispedro: ok. Will try to find the .debs then Jul 02 00:22:05 MohammadAG: do you remember if Jaffa said anything about emmc size in his n950? Jul 02 00:22:35 well, anyone :) Jul 02 00:23:08 javispedro, 64GBs in old revisions, 16GBs in current ones Jul 02 00:23:30 16 GiB and no sd slot :\ Jul 02 00:24:03 MohammagAG: Does N950 (newer ones) have pentaband WCDMA? Jul 02 00:24:53 little playing area for partitions Jul 02 00:26:16 Scifi, not sure, don't have one :) Jul 02 00:26:17 check FCC Jul 02 00:29:35 Scifi: yes Jul 02 00:30:14 DocScrutinizer: Thanks. Jul 02 00:31:19 IMO The easiest way for Nokia to get back into US Smartpohone market is shout that they have pentaband phones, Now Jul 02 00:32:41 that won't help Jul 02 00:33:00 the average customer here doesn't understand what that means at all Jul 02 00:33:49 and considering that the two gsm/umts carriers in the US are about to become a single carrier, it blurs the explanation even more Jul 02 00:37:15 Ahh the merger. If that gets through there is no stopping AT&T. I meant those ppl who hate early termination fees, increased data charges for discounted phones and crippled OS with no updates might love an Unlocked smartphone which can be used on both AT&T and T-Mobile Jul 02 00:38:32 yeah, that basically where nokia has been targetting... and calling it a niche market is the kindest way to describe who they're targeting Jul 02 00:40:22 Somehow I felt they didn't even try to market their products in US. It's like they just gave up without even trying. Jul 02 00:41:09 eh... the only way for nokia to get into the US market is to play the same game every other manufacturer plays Jul 02 00:41:34 apple is the only one who can dictate terms to carriers here Jul 02 00:42:22 which is why i believe the nokia astound (c7) is their only smartphone with wide distribution Jul 02 00:43:42 Thats painfully true reg Apple. Although I feel happy that AT&T is at the receiving end of the stick sometimes. Jul 02 00:45:11 and for better or worse, the att/tmo merger will happen Jul 02 00:45:37 which means that nokia pentaband phone will (in theory) have awesome service, connecting to the 3g towers of both carriers Jul 02 00:45:48 You are right about the carriers though. WP7 won't help Nokia unless they tie-up with carriers which means just suck it up to their conditions Jul 02 00:46:24 i'd guess adopting wp7 is part of their intentions with that.. walk in with a known OS, and they'll have a lot less convincing to do Jul 02 00:47:04 I thought AT&T said they will use T-Mobile 3G freq for LTE expansion. So (after x yrs may be) still AT&T will use different 3G freq than Europe/Asia. Isn't that correct? Jul 02 00:48:10 i'm not sure if att has announced such intentions, but both att and tmo's 3g frequencies differ from europe/asia Jul 02 00:48:37 and yeah, LTE is why the merger will go through... neither carrier is able to put an LTE network together on their own Jul 02 00:51:29 T-Mobile's 1700/2100 bands match with Europe/Asia. Thats why N900 etc. was able to use 3G on T-Mobile. AT&T is different though Jul 02 00:52:10 no, tmobile's are different Jul 02 00:52:36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#UMTS-FDD Jul 02 00:52:40 europe is 900 + 2100. Jul 02 00:52:53 tmo-us is IV on that list Jul 02 00:52:59 tmobile requires both 1700 and 2100 Jul 02 00:53:34 europe is 1900/2100 i thought Jul 02 00:54:31 meh, they're different anyway Jul 02 00:55:05 but pretty much every 3g phone sold in the US supports the european 3g frequencies, and then either tmobile-us or att frequencies Jul 02 00:55:12 only nokia has phones that support all 3 Jul 02 00:55:50 see, this is why it's a bad marketing tactic, it's just gets fucking confusing, and to the public at large, it's indecipherable Jul 02 00:56:00 (still, i love the pentaband modem :) Jul 02 00:56:48 MohammadAG: WTF?! that's one cuckoo arab :-P Jul 02 00:57:32 Thats true (confusion). I just dream they'll use the merger to match the frequency bands with rest of the world. But I know that won't happen Jul 02 00:58:09 And pentaband rocks :) Jul 02 00:59:48 as if there weren't enough really decent USB fix howtos on tmo Jul 02 01:06:05 hm Jul 02 01:06:10 I wonder if them N950s were shipped Jul 02 01:06:18 is a t6 screwdriver a pretty standard size? Jul 02 01:06:33 i wanted to open my n900 and try to fix the usb port Jul 02 01:06:50 yes, it's standard Jul 02 01:08:57 MohammadAG: Did you get the launchpad confirmation? Jul 02 01:09:05 ok so just a really small screwdriver? Jul 02 01:09:18 yes, torx head Jul 02 01:09:22 do i need an opening tool to unclip it? Jul 02 01:09:27 Scifi, nope, no one did Jul 02 01:09:48 Macer, a small - screwdriver will do Jul 02 01:09:53 but you need a torx t6 Jul 02 01:10:17 hm. is there an actual kit i can get? Jul 02 01:10:39 a repair toolkit online or something? Jul 02 01:10:47 i need to replace the keypad too Jul 02 01:10:57 just the plastic keys part.. it is faded Jul 02 01:11:05 no need, just get a T6 and a - screwdriver Jul 02 01:11:23 the screwdriver wont mess the plastic up ? Jul 02 01:11:42 or scratch something? Jul 02 01:11:55 eh? Jul 02 01:12:05 i dont want to gouge the thing Jul 02 01:12:09 :-) Jul 02 01:12:14 screwdriver is for the screws Jul 02 01:12:23 lnao Jul 02 01:12:36 they can pry as well Jul 02 01:13:19 no, there will be enough space to put it under the plastic Jul 02 01:13:35 actually you don't need the plastic, a nail might be fine Jul 02 01:13:54 s/plastic/screwdriver/ Jul 02 01:13:54 MohammadAG meant: actually you don't need the screwdriver, a nail might be fine Jul 02 01:14:17 ok thanks Jul 02 01:14:17 i will grab a t6 if i can find one Jul 02 01:14:18 maybe radio shack Jul 02 01:14:43 assuming qgil is out in california, then it's 6pm on the friday before a holiday weekend Jul 02 01:15:02 and we're likely all waiting until tuesday for more movement Jul 02 01:15:34 MohammadAG: thanks Jul 02 01:15:41 this g2 is driving me nuts Jul 02 01:15:49 i want my n900 back! Jul 02 01:16:24 I will grab the screwdriver. hopefully it is a simple superglue/epoxy fix Jul 02 01:16:49 put some cement on it to keep it in place Jul 02 01:19:40 Macer: forget it Jul 02 01:20:06 neither superglue nor any "simple fix" will make you happy Jul 02 01:20:17 ieatlint: I hope Quim doesn't have to take care of the launchpad as well. He is already overloaded. Jul 02 01:20:39 find aomebody who knows to solder, and ideally already has the tools needed Jul 02 01:20:40 i'd guess he has to give a list of names to someone at forum nokia Jul 02 01:21:23 I hope he already did Jul 02 01:21:28 and then a list of everyone's AID to put for the device distribution section of launchpad Jul 02 01:22:44 i suspect it'll be at least a week before we have them Jul 02 01:23:20 how many users were accepted? Jul 02 01:23:46 232 or sth? Jul 02 01:24:06 69 still waiting for 18 devices Jul 02 01:24:15 i think.. Jul 02 01:24:17 yeah, but there is some complication since quim also said several of those accepted ended up getting devices by other means Jul 02 01:24:27 unless i misunderstood Jul 02 01:24:44 maybe Jul 02 01:24:49 The AID is what the Dev Launchpad ppl need i guess. They have all the details with that ID. Week is fine. Some ppl said they had to wait for months to get launchpad confirmation (this was before N950 dev program). Jul 02 01:25:11 I'm feeling sorry for those still without any decision about their case Jul 02 01:25:22 DocScrutinizer like me :| Jul 02 01:25:37 yeah, launchpad got weird last february when it was announced that all launchpad members would get a free e7, and were promised a free wp7 "as soon as they become available" Jul 02 01:25:44 so everyone suddenly joined Jul 02 01:26:21 and they seemed to just ignore all the applications.. they sent me an email in march telling me that if i knew anyone who worked for nokia, to ask them to expidite my application Jul 02 01:26:39 hah, and me did the number with the red nose, and contacted support about it ;-P Jul 02 01:26:58 so after a month of waiting, i get that email, proceed to email a nokia employee, and within 12h i had my launchpad membership Jul 02 01:27:45 Ugh, I don't want ot wait out the weekend. Jul 02 01:28:41 i'm on a business trip all next week, so i'm pretty indifferent, haha :P Jul 02 01:29:07 weekend? isn't there window-virus day, err Independence day ? Jul 02 01:29:24 Yea monday. So long weekend in US Jul 02 01:29:40 Time to finish libsystemui_tklock.so Jul 02 01:30:02 I mean cloning libsystemuiplugin_tklock.so Jul 02 01:30:08 yes, but if a nokia employee in finland handles the launchpad side of things, there may be no delay Jul 02 01:30:46 DocScrutinizer: is there any way to read out whats the voltage on the usb/charge port by i2c or something like that? ...bq27200.sh reports battery/post voltage regulation right? Jul 02 01:30:46 * DocScrutinizer makes mental post-it note to find out about fireworks anywhere around, on monday. Probably there are still some US troops left over Jul 02 01:31:01 cehteh: right Jul 02 01:31:23 ieatlint - If they worked efficiently, atleast some of the people in the first batch would have got some confirmation :) Jul 02 01:31:27 bq24150 has a certain notion about what's on USB Jul 02 01:31:37 Scifi: this is nokia we're talking about Jul 02 01:31:45 :) Jul 02 01:32:07 1707 phy has an even finer grained idea about VBUS voltage Jul 02 01:32:26 but hard to read out ;-) Jul 02 01:33:07 twl4030 gaia also has a VBUS 1/0 flag, rachable via /sys Jul 02 01:34:11 HEY DOC Jul 02 01:34:15 cehteh: but no way to actually read out a voltage on a continuous scale Jul 02 01:34:43 hey luke-jr Jul 02 01:34:55 DocScrutinizer: hear of any N900 successors yet? Jul 02 01:35:05 (N950 doesn't count, it's the same generation specs) Jul 02 01:35:08 cehteh: what info do you need exactly? Jul 02 01:35:36 luke-jr: nope, nothing new here Jul 02 01:35:40 :< Jul 02 01:35:53 DocScrutinizer: i get the feeling handheld computing will die with Nokia like it once died with Sharp Jul 02 01:36:02 and it'll be 5 years before the next upgrade Jul 02 01:36:43 I'm fine with 5 years, just will get me a 3rd N900 then Jul 02 01:37:06 DocScrutinizer: i will see Jul 02 01:37:19 worst case is i ebay a new n900 Jul 02 01:38:19 Macer: setting lego blocks on fire is way cheaper a fun action than trying to fix N900 USB the arab terrorist way Jul 02 01:38:26 I'd say 950 is upgrade, it adresses N900's weakest spot by quadrupling ram Jul 02 01:38:31 DocScrutinizer: just VBUS (if thats the voltage while charging) Jul 02 01:38:49 DocScrutinizer: hahahahaha Jul 02 01:39:02 cehteh: there's a sysnode that tells of there's VBUS or not Jul 02 01:39:02 had one break on you? Jul 02 01:39:18 DocScrutinizer: i mean the voltage not if its present or not :) Jul 02 01:39:33 you can not get the voltage Jul 02 01:39:37 ok Jul 02 01:39:45 somehow i guessed that :P Jul 02 01:39:57 yeah, as it's basically meaningless Jul 02 01:40:31 ShadowJK: and making a stronger usb port? Jul 02 01:40:39 there are certain functional/logical thresholds of VBUS voltage, and those are detectable Jul 02 01:40:46 usb port probably still sucks Jul 02 01:40:49 what does the n950 use to charge? the usb port as well? Jul 02 01:41:07 afaik yes, no 2mm charger Jul 02 01:41:28 /sys/power/Efuse mhm .. better dont touch that :) Jul 02 01:41:39 allegedly N9's USB us so rock solid you need to tear off a part of case to break it Jul 02 01:42:11 no info yet about N950 (though who does really care, as it's not a retail device anyway) Jul 02 01:42:36 Macer, it'd be typical nokia style. N810: "can we have a bit bigger screen?" -> N900 smaller screen. N900: "can we have stronger usb port?": N9/N950: non replaceable battery to make sure you lose your data once device ejects usb port Jul 02 01:42:40 ;) Jul 02 01:42:49 DocScrutinizer, yes, there are lots of troops left over there, unfortunetaly. Jul 02 01:43:02 ShadowJK: HAHAHA! Jul 02 01:43:09 that damn elop! Jul 02 01:43:24 "scratchbox-libs:i386 1.0.16 (Multi-Arch: no) is not co-installable with scratchbox-libs:amd64 1.0.26 (Multi-Arch: no) which is currently installed" - Trying to install Harmattan and Fremantle targets on same scratchbox instance. Any inputs? Jul 02 01:43:38 N950 started way before elopocalypse Jul 02 01:43:56 probably even N9 did Jul 02 01:43:56 yes but why isnt it sold? not bc of elop? Jul 02 01:44:09 most likely Jul 02 01:44:24 elopocalypse! (tm) Jul 02 01:44:30 Scifi: remember: one arch only. do not merge i386 with amd64. Also, you already have later version of scratchbox-libs, do not try to install it. Jul 02 01:44:30 no, because carriers rejected it for flimsy kbd mechanism, so the rumour Jul 02 01:44:37 DocScrutinizer: you should buy that domain! Jul 02 01:44:39 rumor... Jul 02 01:45:03 DocScrutinizer: screw carriers! Jul 02 01:45:08 sell direct! Jul 02 01:45:11 :-) Jul 02 01:45:17 i want my flimsy kbd Jul 02 01:45:30 i HATE vkbds Jul 02 01:45:39 javispedro: So I guess I should just install Harmattan (i386) versions manually then. Jul 02 01:45:43 maybe it's just too expensive? Jul 02 01:45:51 Scifi: you already have amd64 Jul 02 01:46:10 Scifi: so you will need to find amd64 packages of the fremantle toolchains Jul 02 01:46:14 Yes, but FREMANTLE did not come with amd64 Jul 02 01:46:30 Unless I am missing something Jul 02 01:46:31 ith all the USB loose N900 well might have been a deficitary business for nokia Jul 02 01:46:43 Scifi: http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/hathor/deb/amd64/ check there Jul 02 01:46:49 DocScrutinizer, my guess is elop wants wp7, and only has to sell _one_ meego device, so he killed the other Jul 02 01:46:54 Scifi: seemingly you at least have fremantle toolchain (cs2007) Jul 02 01:47:01 with N950 flimsy kbd they might have same concerns Jul 02 01:47:18 dpkg -r scratchbox-libs:i386 would work to uninstall it btw Jul 02 01:47:30 DocScrutinizer: ever use an htc vision? Jul 02 01:47:36 nope Jul 02 01:47:39 the whole phone is "flimsy" Jul 02 01:47:51 if the N950 is the same as the N97, it's actually pretty good Jul 02 01:47:52 tmob still sold it for $500 Jul 02 01:47:57 till it meets a street Jul 02 01:48:29 javispedro: Aha. I was looking here, http://www.scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo5-sdk/main/. Off to another round of installations Jul 02 01:48:29 hehe Jul 02 01:49:04 I actually liked the feel of the N97 more than the N900 Jul 02 01:49:06 one thing is clear: sit on a N950 with kbd open -> complete damage Jul 02 01:49:14 felt more natural holding it Jul 02 01:49:29 yes, true that Jul 02 01:49:45 i doubt that you should sit on the n900 with slide open Jul 02 01:50:00 hey, shit happens :p Jul 02 01:50:04 or closed Jul 02 01:50:08 sore, but you got a fair chance it will survive Jul 02 01:50:09 yeah Jul 02 01:50:17 maybe it slides in :) Jul 02 01:50:20 having the N97 opened also looked cooler Jul 02 01:50:21 sure* Jul 02 01:50:33 you could have a live feed and you don't have to move your head Jul 02 01:51:03 the N97 had some major flaws though Jul 02 01:51:09 battery cover was creaky Jul 02 01:51:19 slider scratched the camera Jul 02 01:51:25 LOL Jul 02 01:51:30 this n900 display feels a bit fragile to pressure, i dint tried but well its plastic and then the thin display glass, no more protection Jul 02 01:52:09 camera slider made a blue flare (worse than the N900's) Jul 02 01:52:14 i think my outer plastic (touchscreen) a slightly dented already, only noticeable when you look at a flat angle Jul 02 01:52:27 one drop and the slider would move right/left from the bottom area Jul 02 01:52:37 meh, there's the LCD backside with a solid acrylic lightspreader on steel Jul 02 01:52:57 then a 0.1mm LCD with spacers layer, then the glass Jul 02 01:53:04 and last but not least, the black on the back of the sliding mech was actually rubber, after some time (and skin shit) it disolves away Jul 02 01:53:06 won't break THAT easily Jul 02 01:53:13 so the screen backlight starts leaking from the back Jul 02 01:53:30 DocScrutinizer: good to know, but i try not to test that :P Jul 02 01:53:39 yeah Jul 02 01:53:48 My N900's screen has two brighter spots now Jul 02 01:54:08 I ripped off some LCD panels off the Freerunner PCB, they were glued with nasty sticky Jul 02 01:54:13 as well as that nice gray line at the bottom Jul 02 01:54:16 they survived Jul 02 01:54:19 my n900's kbd has most keys' paint come off :/ Jul 02 01:54:28 kb is still perfect for me Jul 02 01:54:50 disassembling tft's into their components and then reassemling needs some luck Jul 02 01:54:51 i guess it doesnt help that i sometimes ssh from the phone... :) Jul 02 01:54:52 The chrome-painted border also lost its paint on the old battery cover Jul 02 01:54:56 nox-: cut your nails more often ;-P Jul 02 01:55:01 haha no Jul 02 01:55:07 I'm typing this from the phone Jul 02 01:55:29 im not typing with nails... Jul 02 01:55:34 oh yeah, I remember something with the N97 Jul 02 01:55:48 I went on a week's holiday, with only an N97 on me Jul 02 01:56:03 battery life was awesome, lasted two days on a charge Jul 02 01:56:15 Browser sucked hard Jul 02 01:56:51 n900 can last 2 days too Jul 02 01:56:51 nox-: do you live next to a construction site with lots of concrete dust, or maybe work in a lab where hydrocarbon fumes are around? Jul 02 01:57:07 cehteh, not with music being played all the time Jul 02 01:57:19 nox-: do you use cosmetical products for your hands' skin? Jul 02 01:57:24 cehteh, the N97 could last a whole day (12h) with 3G Jul 02 01:57:24 no :) Jul 02 01:57:42 DocScrutinizer, rarely Jul 02 01:57:45 I remember leaving 3G on when I'm at school Jul 02 01:57:51 well music from flash works fine for me .. but webradio really sucks juice Jul 02 01:57:59 and all it lost was 2 bars Jul 02 01:58:09 DocScrutinizer, i gues i just used the kbd `too much' Jul 02 01:58:10 nox-: maybe you got a lemon Jul 02 01:58:22 cant rule that out :) Jul 02 01:58:22 MohammadAG: doing what? Jul 02 01:58:22 so that might've been 40% left :) Jul 02 01:58:37 cehteh, nothing, just idle 3G Jul 02 01:58:46 3G just on and little data doesnt need much power Jul 02 01:58:50 doing that on the N900 makes its life 4 hours max Jul 02 01:59:00 (if you dont change cells or in a bad reception area) Jul 02 01:59:03 uh!? Jul 02 01:59:04 I did have nimbuzz and gravity running though Jul 02 01:59:27 ShadowJK, 2/7 isn't 40 percent :p Jul 02 01:59:35 i have skype running, weather updates and maybe 1-2 checks of webpages Jul 02 01:59:37 it's not linear Jul 02 01:59:38 my N900 lasts an afternoon if I leave it connected to IRC Jul 02 01:59:49 with that my n900 would last fairly long Jul 02 02:00:11 Choom, 3G? Jul 02 02:00:18 but as soon you are moving, changing cells, have some bad reception (bike tour) it starts dropping Jul 02 02:00:20 N900 with 3g, context activated, idle, lasts about 2 days atleast.. Jul 02 02:00:20 3.5G Jul 02 02:00:22 mine lasts 4h Jul 02 02:00:43 ShadowJK: well it really depends on the situation Jul 02 02:00:46 ShadowJK, by 3G I meant an active data connection Jul 02 02:00:59 yes Jul 02 02:01:16 connection active (reachable on internet), idle Jul 02 02:01:20 biking through the black forrest with dual gsm/3g emptied the battery in 3 hrs here Jul 02 02:01:22 idle as in no data moving Jul 02 02:01:23 there's no way it can last 2 days Jul 02 02:01:24 (once) Jul 02 02:01:28 MohammadAG: and that's if I don't use the backlight much Jul 02 02:01:29 * nox- 1-2d idle on 3g, few hours ssh.ing over wifi... Jul 02 02:01:44 idle means you are close to some cell tower and dont move :P Jul 02 02:02:24 switching between 3g and gsm and cell handovers seem to take a lot juice Jul 02 02:02:32 * ShadowJK gets about 1.5 days of N900 on irc, on gsm/wifi. Jul 02 02:02:50 how much irc channels? Jul 02 02:02:54 mine can last two days with wifi, but not with 3G Jul 02 02:03:05 30-ish :) Jul 02 02:03:14 I get 2 days of that on wifi here, too Jul 02 02:03:24 you need to understand that you don't control the device's power consumption as soon as you're 'online' via GSM/3G Jul 02 02:03:25 i once connected over openvpn over my bouncer ... also about 30 channels Jul 02 02:03:39 well and power saving doesnt work well with my AP Jul 02 02:03:46 the device may be perfectly idle and somebody is pingflooding you Jul 02 02:04:30 hehe pingflood over 3G .. gets expensive with the wrong data plan Jul 02 02:04:31 * javispedro ponders what to use the toolbar for in SDL games, if anything at all.. Jul 02 02:05:04 yeah, before I got the sshd on/off widget, I'd often discover battery at 60% after 2 hours because someone had been trying to bruteforce in through ssh :) Jul 02 02:05:05 another thing that I notice is that the phone heats up if I leave an ssh connection open over 3G Jul 02 02:05:20 ouch Jul 02 02:05:22 I've never experienced that with wifi Jul 02 02:05:22 I wonder how those guitar apps on the iPhone work Jul 02 02:05:28 i do too Jul 02 02:05:34 did someone like record every string/fret/etc Jul 02 02:05:39 webradio .. warms my device Jul 02 02:05:40 Choom, that indicates data moving.. Jul 02 02:05:51 (when charging too) Jul 02 02:06:15 you should "watch ifconfig phonet" or sth like that Jul 02 02:06:28 gprs0 Jul 02 02:06:32 yeah Jul 02 02:06:50 worth noting that the watch increases power consumption too :) Jul 02 02:07:00 marginally Jul 02 02:07:24 enough to significantly reduce C4 times Jul 02 02:07:33 yeah Jul 02 02:07:50 but what's C4 compared to 3G data Jul 02 02:07:59 good point Jul 02 02:09:17 aiui harmattan has a generic "data transfer" indicator applet Jul 02 02:09:58 2 hours streaming webradio, frequent use of screen at max brightness, hspa @ 10km range: 300mAh left Jul 02 02:10:14 I wish they had made load applet a default as well Jul 02 02:10:17 (calibrating bq27200 on devN900) Jul 02 02:10:40 ShadowJK: hehe Jul 02 02:10:44 * ShadowJK wishes there'd be load applet with dual bars for cpu and iowait Jul 02 02:11:17 * DocScrutinizer wishes loadapplet was normalized against cpu clock Jul 02 02:11:33 or color-coded Jul 02 02:11:37 lol, that too Jul 02 02:11:49 42C (ambient 30C) :) Jul 02 02:11:57 600=red, 250=green Jul 02 02:12:29 >600=jolly roger Jul 02 02:15:26 is there any clear word of quim what's going to happen next after sending AID to him? Jul 02 02:15:59 iirc mail said "sit back and wait..." Jul 02 02:15:59 no Jul 02 02:16:22 wait for WHAT? ;-P Jul 02 02:16:34 DocScrutinizer, are yoj getting n950? Jul 02 02:16:56 maybe, if they don't change their mind Jul 02 02:16:57 my guess is that the device will at some point appear in that "device distribution" space in launchpad Jul 02 02:17:12 which means you should just keep refreshing it until you get your phone or the server goes down Jul 02 02:17:28 * DocScrutinizer idly hits F5 on device distribution Jul 02 02:17:58 great, now spend the weekend writing an application that does it for you Jul 02 02:18:14 LOL Jul 02 02:18:27 FF "watch that page for changes" Jul 02 02:18:37 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Jul 02 02:18:43 All of you other losers making this process slow. Jul 02 02:19:02 i'll bet money that quim is in europe... Jul 02 02:19:13 and you'll hear somthing on monday Jul 02 02:19:28 not according to his workhours Jul 02 02:20:06 yeah, officially he's out in california Jul 02 02:20:23 but if you look at when he makes his posts, it's 3am california time Jul 02 02:21:03 strange, I thought it was 3AM in europe ;-P Jul 02 02:21:49 bottom of the page will give the time zone Jul 02 02:21:56 mine says GMT -7, which is california Jul 02 02:22:08 and 3am for many of his posts :) Jul 02 02:22:13 god ARM assembly can be a pain sometimes :( Jul 02 02:22:44 s/ARM // Jul 02 02:23:01 hmm, maybe we're on something - is there a bug in time display in F.M ? Jul 02 02:23:27 x86 is nowhere near as bad as ARM Jul 02 02:23:57 you bet m80 was Jul 02 02:24:04 jonwil: You're insane. Jul 02 02:24:10 his posts are from europe indeed Jul 02 02:24:40 evidence? Jul 02 02:25:00 If I tell you, I'll have to /kill you Jul 02 02:25:45 /boot Jul 02 02:25:47 yes, i also have evidence Jul 02 02:25:56 but it's impolite to gossip :P Jul 02 02:26:07 sorry that's been a complete insider joke Jul 02 02:26:51 (btw, if you note the time of your email from quim, it includes a timestamp specifying GMT+2) Jul 02 02:27:15 derf: note that he's talking about _reading_ it, not coding in it Jul 02 02:27:23 germany or poland? Jul 02 02:27:51 ieatlint: meh, that's via Nokia mailer agent Jul 02 02:28:26 I think he's in HEL atm Jul 02 02:28:35 hel is gmt+3 Jul 02 02:28:39 could be wrong, but I remember someone saying he was in EU Jul 02 02:28:58 honestly, who cares and why? Jul 02 02:29:12 EVERYONE AND BECAUSE OF NEW TOY HUNGER Jul 02 02:29:16 javispedro: Sure. Jul 02 02:29:16 * javispedro goes back to coding Jul 02 02:29:25 lol Jul 02 02:29:26 jonwil: What's so terrible about ARM that's better in x86? Jul 02 02:29:26 I'm also in Europe and chatting on IRC at this time Jul 02 02:29:44 it's 5:26 and I need to wake up at 10 Jul 02 02:29:55 DocScrutinizer: we need to know where he is, but it's an integral part of stalking someone Jul 02 02:30:05 now, i'll put money on him being in spain Jul 02 02:30:46 think I should sleep now Jul 02 02:30:52 night Jul 02 02:31:00 night Jul 02 02:34:28 ~yawn* Jul 02 02:34:57 s/~/*/ Jul 02 02:34:57 DocScrutinizer meant: *yawn* Jul 02 02:35:03 wow Jul 02 02:35:34 ~yawn Jul 02 02:35:35 *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. Jul 02 02:35:39 s/~/*/ Jul 02 02:35:40 DocScrutinizer meant: *yawn Jul 02 02:36:07 *yawn Jul 02 02:36:16 s/*/~/ Jul 02 02:36:16 DocScrutinizer meant: ~yawn Jul 02 02:36:24 hah, fail Jul 02 02:37:15 bbl Jul 02 02:38:13 ~factinfo yawn Jul 02 02:38:13 yawn -- created by JohnFlux_ at Tue Jun 12 14:30:39 2001 (3671 days); it has been requested 80 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 2m 39s ago. Jul 02 02:41:20 _MEEGOTOUCH_CANNOT_MINIMIZE atom to disable swipe Jul 02 02:41:53 bah, reverse engineering this code is hard :( Jul 02 02:51:14 javispedro: Finally, FREMANTLE targets are working on amd64. Thanks for your help. Jul 02 02:52:04 yw **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 02 02:59:57 2011