**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 03 02:59:57 2011 Jul 03 03:03:09 will nokia prrovide more than 250 n950s? Jul 03 03:05:12 via the oss/community handout? unlikely.. Jul 03 03:06:09 I'd say at a few more meego events isn't unlikely Jul 03 03:06:25 how many people have applied? Jul 03 03:06:41 Around 600 for the 250 Jul 03 03:07:15 yeah, we all heard about the finland meego meetup handing them out to everyone Jul 03 03:07:40 there's a meetup out here coming up in mid july... i bet there will be some there, but i doubt they'll hand them to everyone Jul 03 03:08:39 I would like to buy one Jul 03 03:08:56 good luck with that Jul 03 03:08:59 Very unlikely to happen. Jul 03 03:09:16 nah, there will be some that go up for sale.. but none legally Jul 03 03:09:36 any n950s on sale are officially stolen property, as nokia is only loaning devices Jul 03 03:10:20 there is already a seller on ebay claiming he has some that will ship in august Jul 03 03:32:13 hmmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ZckJ4BUnI&NR=1 Jul 03 03:34:56 Must figure out how to distil the useful bits from yesterdays mammoth effort into a wiki entry or something :P Jul 03 03:35:10 :-D Jul 03 03:35:21 back to normal? Jul 03 03:35:39 My phone is working now, need to reinstall apps Jul 03 03:35:48 i c Jul 03 03:35:52 and need to restore any settings that were stored on /opt or on rootfs Jul 03 03:35:55 I kept my emmc Jul 03 03:36:08 but had to reflash my rootfs after backing it up with maemo Jul 03 03:37:05 I think it would also be useful to see about getting usb networking more fully working on the rescue initrd as well as getting a few more tools such as mtd-tools and things for accessing the NAND Jul 03 03:37:57 having access to the NAND plus say a simple network protocol like netcat, telnet, tftp or whatever would be very helpful for others in the same situation as me Jul 03 03:38:16 i.e. anyone who just needs to mount their NAND and fix a problem Jul 03 03:38:26 right now though I need to finish restoring my phone :) Jul 03 03:39:14 jonwil: in fact rescue-initrd as is is rather useless Jul 03 03:43:17 I wonder if I need to do anything special to get backupmanager installed Jul 03 03:43:34 nah, just install Jul 03 03:43:58 do I install though ham or through something else? Jul 03 03:43:59 via HAM! Jul 03 03:44:04 ok, great Jul 03 03:45:18 oh, and forget the liked wikipage, seems terribly outdated Jul 03 03:47:02 thinking about it though, if I had thought more clearly I might have been able to save my rootfs with a bit more work. But given that it was already 2am and I was so damn tired, I sort of gave up, backed it up and reflashed :P Jul 03 03:49:25 once my phone is back to normal and suitable recovery options are installed, I can then go back to figuring out how to get dbus-monitor to display the dbus signals I want it to display :) Jul 03 03:49:33 the ones sent between mce and systemui Jul 03 03:50:34 once I can see those signals, I can do what I was trying to do in the first place and post some documentation on how the tklock systemui plugin works Jul 03 03:52:05 Ok, guys. I've got a problem I need to troubleshoot. Jul 03 03:53:59 Have you tried turning it off and on again? Jul 03 03:56:04 I was trying to add terminal support to backupmenu, and loaded the following modules: fbcon, font, bitblit, and softcursor.ko, then added them to my BM startup script. When I shut down maemo afterwards, I saw a console after x shut down. Booting into backupmenu also worked; I saw the console correctly. But, attempting to boot back into maemo resulted in a boot-loop: nokia screen, black, etc. Jul 03 03:56:15 Not the 5-dots loop, just nokia screen. Jul 03 03:56:35 Now, I have a recovery console open on the device, so I can mess with it. Jul 03 03:56:50 But I don't know what to check. Any pointers for debugging? Jul 03 03:57:15 SpeedEvil: don't mix those two steps up or it really won't work Jul 03 03:58:01 robbiethe1st: Remove all from your script, and add them back one by one? Jul 03 03:58:23 I did. I commented them all out, rebooted into BM, then rebooted... same deal. Jul 03 03:58:41 hmm Jul 03 03:59:27 cat /proc/bootreason gives 'sw_rst' Jul 03 03:59:35 watchdog Jul 03 03:59:57 It seemed a bit to quick for that... Jul 03 04:00:14 Usuallly, it takes ~60 seconds. this takes ~15 pre cycle Jul 03 04:00:26 (60 seconds for watchdog reboot) Jul 03 04:00:29 hmm Jul 03 04:00:56 That's about the 'normal' boot time - when it boots but doesn't decide to go on Jul 03 04:01:12 Yea; I Jul 03 04:01:22 I'd expect the 5 dots after that, but instead just reboot Jul 03 04:01:56 err, and you didn't maybe add those *.ko to any /etc/modules or whatever file? Jul 03 04:02:05 could running 'insmod /path/to/module' have put in any permanent entry? Jul 03 04:02:25 dunno, didn't think so Jul 03 04:02:28 I didn't manually add them to anything but my BM file. Jul 03 04:02:35 and commented them out. Jul 03 04:02:51 hell, cannot be Jul 03 04:03:27 btw you say you have a console now, so obviously right now they are not commented out Jul 03 04:03:45 No; Not on the phone. I've got a remote console over USB Jul 03 04:04:28 make a backup of your backup ;-D, then completely replace with a former backup Jul 03 04:04:31 I think I found the one thing you cant do on a N900 without connecting it to a PC. Updating the Nokia Maps maps :) Jul 03 04:04:33 (also, running those modules just gives a 'background' console with basically the kernel log - I haven't been able to get an *interactive* terminal yet) Jul 03 04:04:35 make sure it boots Jul 03 04:04:55 compare backup-of-broken with current working Jul 03 04:05:07 Yea, I can try that... Jul 03 04:07:26 Hm... is there a way to enable boot logging to disk? Jul 03 04:10:49 how would I find the diskusage of all inodes (dirs) and files with links=1, of a dir tree copied with cp -al ? Jul 03 04:12:29 robbiethe1st: I think syslogd pkg will do that for you, eventuallly copying dmesg buffer to var/log/syslog on start of syslogd Jul 03 04:13:22 Might be useful, hm... isn't there a partition on the NAND flash that's for kernel logs? Jul 03 04:13:45 nah, only for paniks Jul 03 04:13:55 Hm, still might be useful Jul 03 04:14:13 what's the dev file? Jul 03 04:14:25 check proc/mtd Jul 03 04:15:04 /dev/mtd4 or whatever Jul 03 04:16:10 mtd2 Jul 03 04:16:35 4 is unusaed ;-) Jul 03 04:17:31 Hm... mtd2 has plenty of logs in it Jul 03 04:17:39 cat /dev/mtd2ro | less Jul 03 04:18:10 dunno, maybe it logs all the time Jul 03 04:18:38 doubt it though, as first thing I saw was a panic register dump ;-P Jul 03 04:20:41 http://pastebin.com/DaQhYitC Jul 03 04:20:57 that's the last one in it Jul 03 04:22:16 http://pastebin.com/k21jiCBX actually, that's better Jul 03 04:24:03 So... provided I have two different system image tar archives, how do I diff them? Jul 03 04:28:06 hmmm Jul 03 04:28:21 dunno, is there a tardiff? Jul 03 04:28:47 diffing tar file to original is simple Jul 03 04:29:07 iirc tar supports that Jul 03 04:29:32 diffing a tar file against another... no clue. maybe I'm too tired Jul 03 04:29:56 seems teh first one you linked dies in hildon-welcome Jul 03 04:30:41 and pastebin.com starts to nag Jul 03 04:31:07 already too much ad crap Jul 03 04:31:47 noscript is your friend Jul 03 04:33:20 o.O sounds like some weird FF extension that I just kill with disabling js and/or modules in Konqueror Jul 03 04:35:03 o.O sounds like some weird FF extension that I just kill with disabling js and/or modules in Konqueror Jul 03 04:35:45 * DocScrutinizer waves Jul 03 04:35:54 NoScript? Nah, it's more than that. It allows selective disabling/enabling(by site, or 3rd-party/first party etc) of scripts, as well as media files and such Jul 03 04:36:21 I use it *mostly* for it's ability to block flash and other applets until I decide to run it(by clicking on the applet) Jul 03 04:36:35 blocking ad-scripts is just a plus ;) Jul 03 04:38:59 (tar) mc can navigate archives as if they were plain fs Jul 03 04:39:29 can also compare, but not recursively Jul 03 04:41:28 or can it? Jul 03 04:41:40 nah - find but not compare afaik Jul 03 04:42:55 I cant find backupmanager in HAM Jul 03 04:43:00 where is it and whats it called? Jul 03 04:43:11 And do I need to enable any repos for it? Jul 03 04:45:50 it might be in extras-{testing,devel} Jul 03 04:45:50 DocScrutinizer: still awake? Jul 03 04:45:57 you mean the one by robbiethe1st? Jul 03 04:47:21 yes Jul 03 04:47:23 that one Jul 03 04:48:35 yeah I remember seeing it in extras-devel but it might also be in extras-testing. I have extras-devel enabled constantly however Jul 03 04:50:05 backupmenu devel Jul 03 04:50:26 just installed the update Jul 03 04:52:36 :D Jul 03 04:59:26 now people are guessing how long the N950 will be loaned for Jul 03 04:59:49 BRB Jul 03 05:34:33 ok, my phone is up and running again. YAY. Jul 03 05:37:54 Hm, looks like there was a problem in the kernel partition. I was *not* able to do a restore as I couldn't mount the MyDocs partition, which I couldn't do because the vfat module wouldn't load. I tried restoring rootfs back to a known-good one, same issue. Flashed the kernel, and I was then able to restore Jul 03 05:43:18 *phew*. Working again. Jul 03 05:46:07 robbiethe1st: um, smth to do with backupmenu? Jul 03 05:46:52 Yea. I've been trying to get a console working. I managed something of the sort, but it wouldn't boot up into maemo after that, and a whole lot of weird stuff happened Jul 03 05:47:03 looks like some bit got flipped in the kernel partiton Jul 03 05:47:04 oh ok Jul 03 05:50:00 Shit Jul 03 05:50:08 Going away party for a friend. Jul 03 05:50:14 Joining the Air Force. Jul 03 05:50:28 Somebody decided to fill my 8 oz Dixie Cup mostly full of Merlot. . . . Jul 03 05:51:34 Nice! I've got ~460 installs of Backupmenu 1.0-RC1 in the last two days. Jul 03 05:52:00 Nice one, you can count me as one of those installs :) Jul 03 05:52:08 I just installed it Jul 03 05:52:36 cool Jul 03 05:52:52 a terminal sounds good also btw Jul 03 05:52:55 if you can make it happen Jul 03 05:53:21 I know. I've been trying off and on for *months*. Unfortunately, stock kernel doesn't have a framebuffer, so no console. Jul 03 05:53:40 I just learned that power-kernel, however, has a framebuffer module. Perfect! Jul 03 05:54:40 there is a kernel I used yesterday in fixing things that was basically stock kernel + framebuffer Jul 03 05:54:58 just as long as power-kernel isnt required for backupmenu... Jul 03 05:55:03 Yea, I've used it too. But I don't really want to force everyone to use that Jul 03 05:55:08 No, it'll be optional Jul 03 05:55:20 so it will only be needed for the terminal? Jul 03 05:55:23 Yup Jul 03 05:55:27 ok Jul 03 05:55:28 rm_you, you get a friends circle and not just MeeGo. :P Jul 03 05:55:45 :P Jul 03 05:55:47 lol Jul 03 05:55:49 cool Jul 03 05:55:58 rm_you, also, my friend has the exact same damn couch. Jul 03 05:55:59 forget where i put you :P Jul 03 05:56:04 (the bastard who filled me with wine) Jul 03 05:56:10 In fact, I have to make sure to disable it when the console is *not* running, else it screws up all the text otherwise, overwriting bits of my interface Jul 03 05:56:23 ok Jul 03 05:56:25 sounds good Jul 03 05:56:55 * jonwil wishes there were more games for the N900 that suited the N900. Lots of the games in extras dont really suit the N900 Jul 03 05:57:01 like openttd for example, its more of a desktop game Jul 03 05:57:08 rm_you, circles are too much pressure. Jul 03 05:57:21 I can see the advantage to Facebook's "Friends". Jul 03 05:57:43 * robbiethe1st doesn't like either Jul 03 05:57:56 * jonwil hates facebook Jul 03 05:57:56 lockerproject ftw Jul 03 05:58:19 Facebook, well, I'll never visit it voluntarily. Jul 03 05:58:21 anyone here got any suggestions for good suitable n900 games to play when on the bus or etc? Jul 03 05:58:53 To be honest, I found some of those old point-and-click adventures on ScummVM to be perfect Jul 03 05:58:59 Like, say, Legend of Kyrandia Jul 03 05:59:13 Graphics look great, audio works, and it runs ~500mhz Jul 03 05:59:23 Things like Space Quest would be too hard with all the typing Jul 03 05:59:24 jonwil, deleted my account a couple years ago. Jul 03 05:59:30 but something like Day Of The Tentacle would be perfect Jul 03 05:59:37 I have the game files for that somewhere Jul 03 05:59:52 and I believe it runs on scummvm just fine Jul 03 06:00:22 will have to look through the scummvm supported games list for some ideas Jul 03 06:01:14 jonwil, talk to Fanoush if he's still around. Jul 03 06:01:23 Ported ScummVM to OS2007/OS2008. Jul 03 06:01:53 Also, if anyone knows how to get dbus-monitor to dump the signals being sent from mce to systemui (specifically the tklock_open and tklock_close signals) that would be great Jul 03 06:02:25 not signals, method calls Jul 03 06:05:20 after what happened when I tried to enable dbus eavesdropping in the hope that would let me listen to them, I dont wanna go messing with dbus again Jul 03 06:06:47 The MCE source code from meego/harmattan helps a little but there are too many changes between Fremantle MCE and Harmattan/MeeGo MCE to give me the whole story Jul 03 06:07:11 so unless I get a Fremantle version of tklock.c or the relavent info, getting a dbus dump is the only answer :P Jul 03 06:26:47 GeneralAntilles: put you in Maemo AND Friends, seeing what happens with you in TWO circles ;P Jul 03 06:26:51 you're the first I've done that way Jul 03 06:27:05 i think that this is actually SUPER useful Jul 03 06:27:17 no more sharing crap to EVERYONE when I know exactly what subsets of people will care Jul 03 06:31:41 They were encouraging people to mirror firmware releases in '08. Jul 03 06:31:44 lol Jul 03 06:31:55 Damn mistype. Jul 03 07:25:29 morning Jul 03 07:25:35 moorning. Jul 03 07:25:54 ok, so I emailed qgil , in hope to still get a "n9 dev kit" Jul 03 07:26:27 use threatening language Jul 03 07:26:31 it worked for me Jul 03 07:28:51 finish every sentence with ", or else..." Jul 03 07:28:53 ? Jul 03 07:30:24 no, i told him "or else i'll switch to windows phone 7" Jul 03 07:30:28 macmaN: naah, just tell him 'give me a N950, or I'll find you and murder you and take everything own, and leave you to die' Jul 03 07:33:01 Switching to WP7's worse... Jul 03 07:33:35 yeah, the threat worked Jul 03 07:49:46 * Sicelo makes up his mind to buy N900 after all, at USD490 Jul 03 07:51:02 Sickki: bit late now Jul 03 07:52:12 Sicelo: that sounds expensive, is it new? Jul 03 07:52:25 yes dm8tbr Jul 03 07:53:05 * dm8tbr bought his for 230 € Jul 03 07:53:46 ah, well in monopoly moniez that's also 330, so not that much off and it was used Jul 03 07:53:49 i guess so jacekowski. but N9, when it becomes available, will be beyond my means, i guess... so i'll afford it 2 years after it sells first time :P Jul 03 07:57:04 Sicelo: you mean after it is dead and buried? Jul 03 07:57:18 I wouldn't mind getting another N900 really though Jul 03 07:57:21 :D Jul 03 08:00:53 RST38h: As javispedro said, it was kind of a joke. Not much of a joke, but kind of one. Jul 03 08:00:56 i always seem to be using ancient devices... had my N-Gage in 2008 May, Nokia 9300i September 2009 Jul 03 08:01:48 I wouldn't mind an N-Gage really Jul 03 08:03:13 i bricked the first one.. but bought a second one.. still have it :p Jul 03 08:04:12 its a pretty decent devvice Jul 03 08:07:29 true that Jul 03 08:09:15 Jaffa: Ah Jul 03 08:09:18 * RST38h - dumb Jul 03 08:29:00 my 6120c still works perfectly Jul 03 08:29:12 and it's still a kickass phone Jul 03 08:29:16 imo better than the n95 Jul 03 08:31:15 in finland aftermarket n900 go for 150EURish Jul 03 08:31:47 i'd buy like 6 Jul 03 08:40:15 >6120c Jul 03 08:40:18 >kickass phone Jul 03 08:40:21 >I lol'ed Jul 03 08:41:40 Termana: haters gonna hate Jul 03 08:42:04 what's the problem with it? Jul 03 08:45:21 my first own phone was a 6150 <3 Jul 03 08:46:10 first phone with my own money was a 5800XM, bought it two days after the release Jul 03 08:48:37 it occurs to me, that thanks to nokia phones, i own more fm radios now than at any other point in my life Jul 03 08:50:30 ieatlint: it doesn't make them useful, sadly Jul 03 08:51:02 yeah, especially with the headset requirement :( Jul 03 08:51:50 you own a lot of fm tuners Jul 03 08:52:18 7, in fact Jul 03 08:53:50 i wish the phone would let me use the radio without a headset... i fully realize that it acts as an antenna Jul 03 08:54:11 but i also am very aware that it is not always required if the signal is strong enough Jul 03 08:59:59 ieatlint: It's possible, with a 3rd-party app, IIRC Jul 03 09:08:18 I've seen cut off headphone cable as antenna :) Jul 03 09:08:27 just enough to enable reception Jul 03 09:32:03 ieatlint: if you don't have an antenna (=just the PCB trace and the jack) the signal would have to be REALLY strong Jul 03 09:32:16 as in "standing next to the radio tower" :) Jul 03 09:34:45 i hang out in unusual places Jul 03 09:42:33 * RST38h moos Jul 03 10:00:56 morning Jul 03 10:03:33 * alterego yawns Jul 03 10:04:59 * RST38h throws a wrench into alterego's mouth Jul 03 10:05:05 Sparks! SPARKS!!! Jul 03 10:06:18 Heh Jul 03 10:09:06 the apt-worker.real process spawned by HAM is only sometimes nice some of the time. WTF? Jul 03 10:09:30 s/sometime// Jul 03 10:09:31 BCMM meant: the apt-worker.real process spawned by HAM is only s nice some of the time. WTF? Jul 03 10:18:15 bah, still cant get dbus-monitor to show me what I want to see :( Jul 03 10:22:46 * alterego yawns Jul 03 10:22:53 vme groans Jul 03 10:22:57 urgh Jul 03 10:23:15 Actually, feeling a lot better now after those crumpets. Jul 03 10:26:11 Bah, meego-terminal doesn't seem to support multiple instances. Even when launched from the command line, with a custom command, it just brings an existing one to the front. Jul 03 10:27:04 Lame Jul 03 10:27:15 Well, it's FOSS Jaffa ;) Jul 03 10:27:42 I think that's because of all the prestarting in Harmattan Jul 03 10:28:04 You might not even have to modify the code, just update the .desktop file Jul 03 10:28:30 Jaffa: could you pastie.org /etc/prestart.d/nokia.conf ? Jul 03 10:28:45 alterego, mmm crumpets sounds nice :p Jul 03 10:28:50 And /usr/share/wtf/meego-terminal.desktop ;) Jul 03 10:29:06 Termana: yup, with a bit of cheese on the top :d Jul 03 10:30:50 alterego: http://pastie.org/2157826 Jul 03 10:31:36 :| stupid cat jumped down and took me offline :p Jul 03 10:31:41 hmm, package in the post Jul 03 10:31:51 I wonder if that's the N950 :o Jul 03 10:32:02 MohammadAG, in your dreams Jul 03 10:32:03 :p Jul 03 10:32:13 alterego: http://pastie.org/2157830 Jul 03 10:33:11 Oh well, no prestarting there. Jul 03 10:33:20 Must have it's own dbus crap Jul 03 10:35:08 alterego: Something to do with MApplicationService: Jul 03 10:35:13 MApplicationService: Calling launch() in other application with service : "com.nokia.meego-terminal" Jul 03 10:35:26 Termana, meh, bills Jul 03 10:35:42 Jaffa: yeah, that's how prestart works :/ Jul 03 10:37:46 I think that may be one of my first mods then, multiple terminal windows ;) Jul 03 10:40:17 alterego: +1 Jul 03 10:40:30 alterego: Would be nice to have a nice launcher icon for vim, without having to do my own frontend Jul 03 10:40:54 Okay Jul 03 10:41:22 I'll have a look at it later, I've already got all the sources and I can test on MeeGo CE Jul 03 10:41:45 Ta Jul 03 10:43:53 BTW, I have got a local OBS install, is there a Harmattan SDK for this kind of install? Jul 03 10:44:00 gah $.9 Amazon bill Jul 03 10:44:01 Or is there one for the standard SB setup? Jul 03 10:44:14 RST38h: not yet, Harmattan OBS is being worked on though :) Jul 03 10:44:27 RST38h: the default is Scratchbox yes Jul 03 10:44:45 There's also a experimental QtSDK with Harmattan support. Jul 03 10:45:28 DocScrutinizer: http://bit.ly/mlL4uJ Jul 03 10:45:35 alterego: Is there one for SB2? ;))) Jul 03 10:46:20 No :P Jul 03 10:46:50 Eh Jul 03 10:46:51 I'm really looking forward to harmattan obs Jul 03 10:46:55 MohammadAG: the package will be from DHL :D Jul 03 10:48:24 RST38h: alterego: X-Fade is quite close with the Harmattan in OBS, I think Jul 03 10:48:36 hiemanshu, I know, already got something from them :P Jul 03 10:48:50 MohammadAG: what? Jul 03 10:49:02 N900 Jul 03 10:49:09 ah Jul 03 10:49:12 Jaffa: yes, that"s what I understand :) Jul 03 10:49:27 Hopefully within the region of a couple of weeks. Jul 03 10:49:48 Hopefully within the region of a couple of days. Jul 03 10:49:58 Heh Jul 03 10:49:59 He's already built a package, but the build's full of warnings Jul 03 10:50:02 I'm not in a rush Jul 03 10:50:12 MohammadAG: so I have a problem with multiboot, it wont boot nitdroid, what can I do? Jul 03 10:50:15 will harmattan get a branch (?) on maemo-extras(-devel)? Jul 03 10:50:18 Bah, moving 500GB using tar between two SATA drives shouldn't be so slow. Jul 03 10:50:23 gri: No, it won't work like that. Jul 03 10:50:49 I meant an opensource non-ovi repository? Jul 03 10:50:58 gri: You'll have "home" projects which are repositories equivalent to (lots of) Extra-devels, and then people can promote from their to a -testing repo. After crowdsourced QA, it'll then be in apps.meego.com Jul 03 10:51:07 gri: In that case, yes. Jul 03 10:51:29 hiemanshu, get rid of nitdroid Jul 03 10:51:30 :P Jul 03 10:51:42 MohammadAG: no but android > * Jul 03 10:52:27 hiemanshu, ... Jul 03 10:52:45 MohammadAG: just trolling (see /topic :P) Jul 03 10:53:37 yo Jul 03 10:53:40 gi Jul 03 10:54:08 where can I find actual info on adding/removing calander events (todo's) via dbus? Jul 03 10:54:34 There are some subtle referaces to it around the net but no actual concrete info Jul 03 10:54:45 dbus-monitor --session and add an event Jul 03 10:56:28 MohammadAG: but the calendar app doesnt create dbus messages for itself... Jul 03 10:57:33 vi__, you sure about that? Jul 03 10:57:43 or alternativly does anyone know how to use the 'calendarclt' program in a non interactive way? Jul 03 10:58:30 or maybe it was because I was running dbus-monitor on the wrong computer... Jul 03 10:58:33 -_- Jul 03 10:58:50 the calendar UI talks to a backend which runs separately Jul 03 10:58:58 the only way to do that is DBus Jul 03 10:59:55 yeah, I ran montor on the wrong screen session, saw nothing. doh! Jul 03 11:00:00 I see somthing now Jul 03 11:03:28 so I see a message: Jul 03 11:04:10 signal sender=:1.456 -> dest=(null destination) serial=50 path=/com/nokia/calendar; interface=com.nokia.calendar; member=dbChange string "CALENDAR-UI:1:TODO:ADDED:1:76," string "CALENDAR-UI" Jul 03 11:04:36 which indicates which calander, entry into database and action being performed Jul 03 11:04:54 however where is the data? Jul 03 11:05:09 how can I use this in a shell script to add/remove items? Jul 03 11:05:17 what must I read to learn? Jul 03 11:10:54 MohammadAG: where is the actual data the dbus message refers too? Jul 03 11:18:20 so, any brave soul tried running the N9/50 UX on MeeGo CE? Jul 03 11:19:34 * gri copied the theme but then there was no way to get out of applications since there was no swipe and close button :( Jul 03 11:19:40 i doubt that would work Jul 03 11:20:45 Yeah, you'd need all the meegotouchhome stuff they have. Jul 03 11:21:29 it should, copy all needed libs and binaries and it should wor Jul 03 11:21:29 k Jul 03 11:21:47 vi__, not sure, you may have to query the calendar backend for that Jul 03 11:23:40 MohammadAG: how do you mean? Jul 03 11:23:53 MohammadAG: well all needed libs could be a lot and if one of them conflicts with one in real MeeGo 1.2 then you're screwed Jul 03 11:24:12 dm8tbr - it shouldnt Jul 03 11:24:27 unless nokia made stupid shit like patching libs again Jul 03 11:24:51 I'm sure it wouldn't be too much trouble to create a small meego arm image and put the harmattan overlay on top of it tbh Jul 03 11:25:08 You'd have to use the meego dialer though Jul 03 11:25:12 hmm, meego with DEB instead of RPM? Jul 03 11:25:12 And sms etc. Jul 03 11:25:18 No Jul 03 11:25:27 in before mass alien-ing Jul 03 11:25:30 You'd need to unpack them Jul 03 11:25:58 Hurrian, dm8tbr afaik MeeGo and Harmattan are ABI compatible Jul 03 11:26:10 I'm sure it wouldn't be too much trouble to create a small meego arm image and put the harmattan overlay on top of it tbh Jul 03 11:26:15 Hurrian: it shouldn't yes, doesn't mean it isn't so Jul 03 11:26:18 yeah, till Nokia Legal hears about it Jul 03 11:26:21 the n9/50 really was a genius move, by releasing this essentially worthless dead end piece of shite they have finally managed to remove the most usefull people from maemo onto somthing irrelevant. Now the n900 can finally be put to death. Jul 03 11:26:41 they should be ABI-compatible, if nokia's billing it as a meego instance Jul 03 11:26:48 vi__, bullshit Jul 03 11:26:57 Hurrian: let's hope it is Jul 03 11:26:59 the N900 won't die Jul 03 11:27:14 it is ABI compatible Jul 03 11:27:32 N900 has no competition :( Jul 03 11:28:08 MohammadAG: To a degree, yes. Jul 03 11:29:14 But one could argue that the effort going into porting applications to QML/... is 'wasted', looking at it from the maemo side. Jul 03 11:30:17 the N900 has no competition unless you go aava Jul 03 11:30:25 SpeedEvil: why? QML is the commn denominator here. Jul 03 11:30:28 and those aava devices are expensive as **** Jul 03 11:30:41 Hurrian: those aava devices are worthless Jul 03 11:30:51 They have utter rubbish battery life .. Jul 03 11:31:38 >Intel x86 CPU Jul 03 11:31:40 about right Jul 03 11:32:25 So the only competition for N900 is N950, which is superior except for no micro sd slot and smaller eMMC mass memory Jul 03 11:32:42 So my N900 will still be in my pocket when I get an N950 Jul 03 11:32:59 alterego , not really competition then Jul 03 11:33:10 USB ports can be replaced and upgraded Jul 03 11:33:18 flex cables the same Jul 03 11:33:22 so do batteries Jul 03 11:33:43 if the N900 supports SDXC Jul 03 11:34:04 ...still the reigning mobile storage king. Jul 03 11:34:27 alterego: I mean that if a dev has been developing not using Qt - then the effort in porting takes their time. Jul 03 11:34:45 Well, until the 64G N9 comes out, but still lack of memory card slot is mildly annoying Jul 03 11:34:55 And I'm not saying that porting to Qt is pointless in the long run - and this'd have happened anyway with the n9 coming round the corner Jul 03 11:34:57 SpeedEvil: sure, Coboy is a prime example. Jul 03 11:35:07 alterego, we have 32GB EMMC + 32GB uSD + 256MB OneNAND Jul 03 11:35:10 Conboy .. Jul 03 11:35:23 SpeedEvil: By porting Hermes to QML & Qt, I can run it on Maemo 5, Symbian, MeeGo & Harmattan. Jul 03 11:35:26 I have 4 and 8 GB micro sds .. so :) Jul 03 11:35:27 That's a bit of a win. Jul 03 11:35:29 okay, so it's stupid to use onenand for storage, but still Jul 03 11:35:32 Jaffa: Indeed. Jul 03 11:35:47 speedevil, Qt is useful when you're coding userland apps Jul 03 11:35:50 see example above Jul 03 11:36:04 Jaffa: Or that porting to QML/Qt doesn't have benefits - but I was meaning in the short term. Jul 03 11:36:14 Admittedly, it'd be useful if I could boot into my desktop's disk and this disk shuffling was complete. Jul 03 11:36:20 Jaffa: looking forward to that Hermes QML rewrite ;) Jul 03 11:36:41 right now, i just finished reflashing, and it hangs on pressing "authenticate" Jul 03 11:36:45 but that's for another time Jul 03 11:38:48 * SpeedEvil is trying to get up the energy to learn more about the n950/n9. Jul 03 11:38:58 And qt/qml Jul 03 11:39:13 do any of you chaps know of somthing I can use to add todo's to my calendar through the command line? Jul 03 11:39:25 do you have any programming knowledge already? Jul 03 11:40:10 I am going to use QML only for the UI part, all backend code will be in C++, not going to learn JS Jul 03 11:40:16 QML is really crap, but really nice at the same time. Jul 03 11:40:52 * ieatlint agrees with Termana Jul 03 11:40:57 Termana: yeah - what I've looked at so far looked a bit 'teletubbies do UI' - but still quite cool. Jul 03 11:41:06 it's half-baked Jul 03 11:41:21 and god help you if you want to transfer more than strings or integers between qt and qml Jul 03 11:58:58 Moo VDVsx Jul 03 12:01:08 ieatlint: why? I transfer all sorts of things, anything registered with QVariant, QObjects etc. Jul 03 12:01:41 Termana: lol.. sounds a bit like javafx Jul 03 12:02:19 at least that "really crap, but really nice at the same time" part Jul 03 12:02:35 And I wouldn't say "half baked" there's certainly a lot that can be done with it to make it better, but it works now pretty well imo Jul 03 12:13:25 in this statement: Jul 03 12:13:27 Insert into Components (CalendarId, ComponentType, Flags, DateStart, DateEnd, Summary, Status, AllDay, Until, CreatedTime, ModifiedTime, Tzid, TzOffset) VALUES (1, 2, -1, 1294095600, -1, 'Test Insert Todo Non valide', 0, -1,0,1294087227,1294144124,'Europe/Paris',3600); Jul 03 12:13:44 1294095600 represents the datestart Jul 03 12:13:55 can somone explain the numbers to me? Jul 03 12:14:12 seconds after midnight Jan 1 1970 Jul 03 12:14:14 which numbers represent minutes/hours etc Jul 03 12:14:17 OMG Jul 03 12:14:17 google unix epoch Jul 03 12:14:20 EQUINOX FAIL Jul 03 12:14:27 ffs Jul 03 12:15:12 how do I insert values strait into sqlite3 db from bash? Jul 03 12:16:13 you can script 'sqlite3' Jul 03 12:17:46 I have a plan coming together Jul 03 12:17:53 however its gonna get ugly Jul 03 12:26:29 * RST38h heyas javispedro Jul 03 12:26:54 250-ehlo Jul 03 12:34:04 Hey lbt Jul 03 12:38:51 * RST38h automated this cough-inducing Android build to the gills Jul 03 12:40:16 alterego: hi Jul 03 12:44:56 woo, lbt Jul 03 12:45:16 hey Jaffa Jul 03 12:45:30 So Jaffa, has the N950 replaced your N900 or N8? /me chuckles. Jul 03 12:45:41 without google talk? Jul 03 12:45:44 have any arrived yet? Jul 03 12:45:56 community ones that is Jul 03 12:46:03 Jaffa's. Jul 03 12:46:33 Yeah, Jaffa had a valid launchpad account already, so .. :) Jul 03 12:46:38 He'sa luck biatch Jul 03 12:46:40 alterego: I'm using it as my primary device instead of my N900 Jul 03 12:46:56 alterego: But lack of Google Talk, given it's my primary IM mechanism, is annoyingv Jul 03 12:47:05 ouch Jul 03 12:47:11 I thought it had google talk Jul 03 12:47:26 Jaffa: ssh -> irssi ftw :> Jul 03 12:47:31 Heh Jul 03 12:47:40 no XMPP? yuck! Jul 03 12:47:44 major yuck! Jul 03 12:47:45 alterego: Apparently later images do; but this is also not indicative of release images. Jul 03 12:47:50 well ssh -> bitlbee + irssi Jul 03 12:47:54 At least swipe.nokia.com says there'll be Twitter in the news feed Jul 03 12:47:57 irssi-xmpp :) Jul 03 12:48:03 macmaN: bitlbee? Jul 03 12:48:12 true - early days yet Jul 03 12:48:17 * dm8tbr uses xmpp on his n900 extensively Jul 03 12:48:23 actually, you dont need to ssh even, you can run bitlbee on the phone cant you Jul 03 12:48:29 * Jaffa wants to use irssi via scren when he's on a proper computer but have some kind of scrollback-aware client and IM notification for messages on Harmattan Jul 03 12:48:36 i think it should compile relatively easy Jul 03 12:48:39 Jaffa: I hope someone will write a gtalk plugin though =) Jul 03 12:48:43 * dm8tbr is with Jaffa on this one Jul 03 12:48:47 I think jukka said he'd enquire about N950 images. Jul 03 12:48:52 Harmattan that is. Jul 03 12:48:58 well yeah obv gui is nice, but until theres nothing... Jul 03 12:49:05 although I'll use irssi-proxy and connect to it with an irc client on the n950 :) Jul 03 12:49:12 at least the n9 i tried had XMPP/gtalk Jul 03 12:49:13 but XMPP is must have Jul 03 12:49:21 dm8tbr: znc ftw Jul 03 12:49:21 macmaN: I'm thinking in terms of the N9, when the lack of a keyboard is going to make anything other than very quick things very annoying very quickly Jul 03 12:49:38 Jaffa: totally true. terminal based stuff wont work at all. Jul 03 12:49:48 Jaffa: I'll keep the N900 for ssh/screen/irssi Jul 03 12:50:10 unless something about human terminal interaction gets completely rethought Jul 03 12:50:19 no idea what it would be Jul 03 12:50:26 alterego: Email client is absolutely, completely, frustrating - http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24586&postcount=384 Jul 03 12:50:28 Or N950 if that's an option, what's the battery life like Jaffa ? Jul 03 12:50:58 alterego: Not really had a chance to test properly yet. Certainly feels better than the N900 did at a similar point in its lifecycle. Jul 03 12:51:03 i cant figure out so far when exactly it gets its internet connection up Jul 03 12:51:14 looks like as soon as you unlock screen it connect Jul 03 12:51:22 then disconnects when screen timeouts Jul 03 12:51:40 macmaN: Yes, I'd noticed some oddness around there. But I've also SSHed in to it when it's locked Jul 03 12:51:52 background data settings switch seems to have an effect Jul 03 12:52:44 a definite improvement is that it just picks a nearby access point now and doesnt make the user go crazy have to wait and make two selections to always do the same thing Jul 03 12:52:59 i.e. connect to internet and the same AP Jul 03 12:57:11 hah, ARM says that in 18 months Mali will beat Xbox360. Jul 03 13:02:09 make two selections to always do the same thing? <- huh? Jul 03 13:08:08 shit fucking weather here and windows too Jul 03 13:10:21 knows anyone here an help chat for knoppix linux in german ? Jul 03 13:11:06 schroot is hogging 1GB of tmpfs filespace. How can that be reduced? Jul 03 13:11:18 /etc/schroot/schroot.conf does not appear to specify the size of the tmpfs Jul 03 13:14:06 achipa: Thanks for the Page hint - pretty obvious really :-) Jul 03 13:14:31 Jaffa: yw :) Jul 03 13:34:28 btw, I selfanswered the question I posted here yesterday: n950/n9 supports up to 10 fingers, or at least, controller supports that. Jul 03 13:34:56 Jaffa: you don't have google account option in accounts app ? (re gtalk) Jul 03 13:40:33 "Chat instant messaging support: Facebook, Skype, Gtalk, and services using sip" -> http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/specifications Jul 03 13:42:26 yeah, I bet it's an oversight for the developer firmware. Jul 03 13:42:51 bah, way cant I get dbus-monitor to do what I want :( Jul 03 13:43:30 well there should be an update for the N950, I remember someone telling that it has got over 3000 bug fixes since the version it is being shipped with Jul 03 13:47:05 javispedro: most probably certifications were not done for that image, most of the stuff that requires them should be out :( Jul 03 13:47:44 * RST38h cannot believe GTalk needs certifications Jul 03 13:48:12 RST38h: ofc, unless you wanna call it something else :P Jul 03 13:48:35 certifications? from nokia? google? testers? Jul 03 13:48:42 google Jul 03 13:49:00 Nah, gtalk is pretty standard stuff, not using anythingproprietary Jul 03 13:49:06 oh Jul 03 13:49:10 you'd be surprised (for video/audio) Jul 03 13:49:11 that is why I doubt that is the reason :) Jul 03 13:49:16 ah, that... Jul 03 13:49:31 Hey all Jul 03 13:49:36 youdont. Jul 03 13:49:40 Anybody knows of a more proper way to detect in what environment (SDK or N900) a shell script is being ran than this: http://pastebin.com/7dFNBupq? Jul 03 13:50:07 idont: presence of /scratchbox directory Jul 03 13:50:07 *http://pastebin.com/7dFNBupq Jul 03 13:50:56 javispedro: thanks, but I don't see how a shell script which is ran from inside scratchbox, can see the scratchbox folder itself? Jul 03 13:51:46 idont: actually, an script inside scratchbox always sees /scratchbox, no matter where scratchbox is installed. Jul 03 13:53:04 javispedro: ah, I didn't knew that. Thanks for the pointer, /scratchbox indeed does exist within scratchbox :) Jul 03 13:53:27 you can also check for /targets Jul 03 13:53:52 or for /host_fs or something Jul 03 13:54:14 I guess checking for /scratchbox will suffice, thanks for all input :) Jul 03 13:54:22 ~seen DocScrutinizer Jul 03 13:54:29 docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (9h 19m 35s) #meego (9h 19m 35s) #openmoko (9h 19m 35s) #infobot (9h 19m 35s) #openmoko-cdevel (9h 19m 35s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 9h 12m 46s, last said: 'nah - find but not compare afaik'. Jul 03 14:09:56 VDVsx: No, only Facebook & SIP Jul 03 14:11:06 Jaffa: so that's why you don't have gtalk :) Jul 03 14:11:35 VDVsx: nice weather now... :P Jul 03 14:12:04 frals: not here, yesterday was nice :) Jul 03 14:12:38 VDVsx: arent you in HEL? :P Jul 03 14:12:52 was sunny and nice until 30min ago and now its pretty dark Jul 03 14:12:57 is there some information how to write an accounts plugin? the documentation of accounts-qt only lists classes without any more information Jul 03 14:13:21 frals: yes :) Jul 03 14:13:25 VDVsx: Well, indeed. But it sounds like the N950 will only get an image update after the N9's released. Jul 03 14:13:58 Jaffa: that sucks, you just have a few thousand of bugs to deal with then :P Jul 03 14:14:59 Jaffa:Well, we do not yet know Jul 03 14:15:08 gri: isn't there something at developer.nokia.com about accounts ? Jul 03 14:15:23 Jaffa: Theoreticalythere should not be a problem for someone at Mae^H^HMeego Devices to build another binary Jul 03 14:15:35 Jaffa: Given how unofficial the whole N950 program is Jul 03 14:16:41 RST38h: Well, that's what Sampppa_ and konttori were saying; so yes - it's probably _technically_ easy, but it doesn't sound like that's the only factor. Jul 03 14:17:49 VDVsx: Well, didn't expect the information is different but indeed, the forum nokia library has some more detailed information :) Jul 03 14:20:03 ok, I have decided to compare the Harmattan opensource MCE x86 build with the closed nokia-binaries Fremantle SDK x86 build and see if I can identify any differences in the code Jul 03 14:20:22 i.e. user the Harmattan MCE and its source code to try and re-create some code that matches the fremantle MCE if I can Jul 03 14:21:10 It only tells me "put your configuration files into /usr/share/accounts", but not how to define the xml files Jul 03 14:21:17 hi all, can I install maemo in the microSD? I own a N900 Jul 03 14:21:25 I've MeeGo in the eMMC Jul 03 14:21:39 * javispedro is going to buy one of those livescribe things since the noteslate seems like its never going to ship Jul 03 14:21:58 Jaffa: I hope there is sufficient mayhem there in order for something like this to happen unnoticed =) Jul 03 14:22:11 no you cant install maemo on the microSD Jul 03 14:22:26 too much is hardcoded to work with the rootfs on NAND Jul 03 14:22:30 at least AFAIK Jul 03 14:23:07 great...meego has this bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18835 and I don't know how to recovery my phone :( Jul 03 14:23:08 04Bug 18835: was not found. Jul 03 14:24:01 by reflashing Jul 03 14:24:20 javispedro: I can't! Jul 03 14:24:38 the battery is too low and the phone doesn't start Jul 03 14:24:54 Only option seems to be to find another phone that you can use to charge the battery Jul 03 14:24:54 RST38h: Here's hoping Jul 03 14:24:57 So you no longer have working maemo install? Jul 03 14:24:59 or find some kind of external battery charger Jul 03 14:25:05 * javispedro ponders if phone charges while stuck in nolo Jul 03 14:25:12 jonwil: yes, seems that but I know none :( Jul 03 14:25:18 or at least, emergency charges. Jul 03 14:25:49 javispedro, emergency charge rate is too low for everything except old PR1.2 kernel Jul 03 14:25:51 ShadowJK: yep...I was using meego but the battery level is too low now :( Jul 03 14:26:25 I did notice myself too that meego bme seems to die or something on low battery Jul 03 14:26:33 with the usb charger the phone start after 10 minutes, then I get into meego for a minute, then the phone dead Jul 03 14:26:49 well, and the charger chip wants to charge slow, and is unaware of system load Jul 03 14:26:58 yes Jul 03 14:27:14 I'd definitely not try to do anything with usb Jul 03 14:27:32 I wonder if my charge script works on meego... Jul 03 14:27:49 ShadowJK: please let me try :) Jul 03 14:27:54 but it's such a fucking pain to test anything on meego with no proper terminal Jul 03 14:28:04 * RST38h imagines some eurocommiteemember saying "Wouldn't it BE NICE if every EU phone could charge over USB?" Jul 03 14:28:49 Yeah, unfortunately running USB chipset seems to consume exactly 100mA Jul 03 14:28:52 ShadowJK: yes, I want to develop an application then I installed meego in the eMMC, because microSD is a pain Jul 03 14:29:13 uSD is pain? wasn't it faster than emmc on the meego kernel? Jul 03 14:29:32 javispedro: which class? Jul 03 14:29:33 they dont have sensible benchmark metrics nor setup Jul 03 14:29:57 class is stupid and mostly irrelevant for anything that is not a camera. Jul 03 14:29:58 class doesn't matter much imho. Jul 03 14:30:07 does class matter for our hw?I thought the controller runs at such a slow freq that it makes classirrelevant =) Jul 03 14:30:14 javispedro: I was using class 2 Jul 03 14:31:07 RST38h, well you can do about 14MByte/s to emmc.. Jul 03 14:31:13 or from, rather. Jul 03 14:31:28 Under specific circumstances Jul 03 14:32:23 seek-heavy stuff makes it go more like 1-2meg/second though Jul 03 14:32:47 bash`, do you have uboot? Jul 03 14:33:04 ShadowJK: no :( Jul 03 14:33:22 Because you've got so little time, i can't imagine you'd be able to download anf run stuff in time Jul 03 14:33:23 so you're booting meego using flasher -k -l ? Jul 03 14:33:34 ShadowJK: in fact Jul 03 14:33:44 javispedro: no, I don't need the flasher Jul 03 14:34:04 then you are using uboot? Jul 03 14:34:06 the flasher doesn't see the phone, otherwise I reflash it ;) Jul 03 14:34:20 Anyone that has manually setup the Harmattan SDK with scratchbox: Do I only need to download arm-psdk-nokiameegoapi-beta-rootstrap.tgz and arm-qemu-rm680_linux_i686.tar.gz from here http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/d6-beta.php Jul 03 14:34:22 there's not much more ways to boot meego than uboot or flasher -k -l.. Jul 03 14:34:40 Termana: no need for arm-qemu, but you need i386-psdk-nokiameegoapi-* Jul 03 14:34:49 javispedro: uhm, but meego is in the eMMC Jul 03 14:35:04 javispedro: I overwrited the original vmlinuz Jul 03 14:35:16 with the meego version Jul 03 14:35:23 * javispedro sighs Jul 03 14:35:50 1) shoot self in foot 2) go on irc 3) ??? Jul 03 14:35:52 :) Jul 03 14:36:12 maybe a Nokia center? Jul 03 14:36:21 I need to recharge my battery :P Jul 03 14:36:21 bash`: Nokia cares can charge a battery, yes. Jul 03 14:36:26 even if one could install maemo on uSD, you'd have no way to boot it Jul 03 14:36:27 (depending on size though) Jul 03 14:36:51 ShadowJK: how much time to install uboot? Jul 03 14:37:04 I can download the package, then wait for the next boot Jul 03 14:37:31 and I've no many choices here... Jul 03 14:37:32 you probably only need to flash stock kernel then let it reboot Jul 03 14:37:50 javispedro: yes, the problem is I can't Jul 03 14:38:01 if you followed emmc instructions well (which is to be seen cause you forgot to read the part that says "It's highly recommended NOT to flash the kernel on your device") Jul 03 14:38:01 the phone doesn't turn on Jul 03 14:38:04 to a broken maemo? better than nothing, i guess Jul 03 14:38:10 maemo would be safe. Jul 03 14:38:50 javispedro: where is that part? Anyway I used the de-installer Jul 03 14:39:41 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Recover_From_Drained_Battery Jul 03 14:41:18 * ShadowJK goes look at running his charge script Jul 03 14:43:17 what de-installer? Jul 03 14:45:37 Is there a way to disable the virtual keyboard in scratchbox (harmattan)? Jul 03 14:45:41 ShadowJK: in the wiki eMMC page, Jul 03 14:46:19 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC Jul 03 14:48:36 btw, a useful tip if the flasher wont see the phone is to remove the battery, plug in the USB, start the flasher (which will say that it cant find a suitable device). Then you insert the battery and the flashing will start straight away Jul 03 14:48:44 Certainly works if you are using -l to load a kernel Jul 03 14:49:10 Assuming the maemo rootfs on the NAND is fine, you could try using that to -l the maemo kernel Jul 03 14:49:59 jonwil: I just have it off, start flasher, then plug in usb Jul 03 14:50:05 No need for battery popping Jul 03 14:50:12 whatever works Jul 03 14:50:32 jonwil: nice, I'll try...can I reflash maemo? Or it takes too many time? Jul 03 14:50:49 Seems like it for many it doesn't work unless you do the battery out thing Jul 03 14:50:49 You could do that to -l load a maemo kernel Jul 03 14:50:58 which takes less time than flashing Jul 03 14:51:01 and that will boot maemo Jul 03 14:51:07 which will then let you charge the phone Jul 03 14:51:14 and from there you can reflash with whatever you need Jul 03 14:51:14 ShadowJK: there's no difference having battery out or having device off. Jul 03 14:51:44 ShadowJK: as long as you connect usb _after_ running flasher, the device turns itself on when connected to usb anyway. Jul 03 14:52:28 Flashing N900s when you've already got another connected is more fun btw Jul 03 14:52:42 Hello! I have a problem connecting to ICQ with the default Conversations program... somehow I just can't connect... Jul 03 14:52:52 You have to supply the -u option and hold 'u' to force it into update usb mode. Jul 03 14:53:36 nicofs: can you run telnet icq hpst and icq port? Jul 03 14:53:46 Might be port blocking on your operator Jul 03 14:54:09 alterego, i'm using wlan Jul 03 14:55:04 otherwise i wouldn't know how to do what you just said... Jul 03 14:55:05 nicofs: interesting :) Jul 03 14:55:23 And other machines on the wlan can connect to icq presumably? Jul 03 14:55:27 * jonwil has found some fun new games for his n900 Jul 03 14:55:49 * alterego is suprised people still use ICQ :) Jul 03 14:55:52 only on Maemo could someone get away with calling a game "Them Bloody Ducks" :P Jul 03 14:56:06 alterego, without problems... i installed that additional protocol plugin... Jul 03 14:56:42 Hrm, well, I don't have ICQ so I can't really help with debugging it, maybe post a thread/seaarch the talk.maemo.org forums? Jul 03 14:57:37 alterego, i can install pidgin and there it works - but i don't want to use pidgin... Jul 03 14:58:37 Okay, so must be an issue with the telepathy icq plugin then Jul 03 14:59:00 * jonwil wishes some of these games had more documentation Jul 03 14:59:23 There are quite a few versions of the extra protocol plugins for "conversations" maybe try another package? (first uninstall the one you've already installed) Jul 03 14:59:34 And also make sure your details are correct Jul 03 15:00:47 alterego, in my program manager, there is only this one plugin... Jul 03 15:03:06 m'kay Jul 03 15:04:03 nicofs: have you tried the xmpp icq gateway? Jul 03 15:05:01 alterego, how...? (so i guess i didn't) Jul 03 15:05:16 Hang on Jul 03 15:05:32 nicofs: I'm guessing you've just got the extras repo? Jul 03 15:05:40 No -testing or -devel? Jul 03 15:06:32 i don't think so... let me check... Jul 03 15:09:17 alterego, no Jul 03 15:10:49 So you installed the "Extra protocols for conversations and contacts"? Jul 03 15:11:52 if so, try the "pidgin protocols plugin for conversations and contacts" Jul 03 15:11:55 bbiab Jul 03 15:15:21 hm, wtf. MeeGO rebooted into Maemo, by itself. Jul 03 15:16:41 maybe it didn't like having bme killed, or bq battery module removed Jul 03 15:19:57 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--3fF7ZMKuns/ThA8ammRzKI/AAAAAAAAAHU/Pe8ZK9s10fg/156528_460s.jpg Jul 03 15:21:29 and? Jul 03 15:24:45 alterego, i installed almost that had pidgin, protocol or conversation in it... Jul 03 15:25:40 *everything not almost Jul 03 15:31:08 Oh that fucker, he left right as I finished charging on meego Jul 03 15:36:47 moo Jul 03 15:56:59 DocScrutinizer: mooo, did you see the link I sent? Jul 03 15:57:23 err, what was it? aah yes Jul 03 15:57:32 known Jul 03 15:58:17 ah ok Jul 03 15:58:22 well I just noticed it :P Jul 03 15:58:26 the definition of "good use" though is clearly with the board, not with you Jul 03 15:59:05 basically saying they can revoke any arbitrary time Jul 03 15:59:23 and hell, that's OK with me Jul 03 16:00:14 well yes, but loan is a word used to avoid taxes Jul 03 16:00:15 I don't think N950 loaner is an award, it's a responsibility Jul 03 16:01:00 well yes, until you are hacking till N9 is a better experience, its all ok Jul 03 16:01:08 a responsibility you opted to take, and quim thought you might deliver. He may reconsider any time Jul 03 16:01:37 simple as that Jul 03 16:03:10 have you read the mail? >> CONGRATULATIONS! You have been ****tentatively**** accepted in the MeeGo community N950 developer device program. Jul 03 16:03:32 and I asked what tentatively meant Jul 03 16:03:44 ~dict tentatively Jul 03 16:03:47 Dictionary 'tentatively' (2): in a tentative manner; "we agreed tentatively on a dinner date" ;; See {Tempt}.] Of or pertaining to a trial or trials; essaying; experimental. "A slow, tentative manner." --Carlyle. -- {Ten*ta"tive*ly}, adv. [1913 Webster]. Jul 03 16:04:39 DocScrutinizer, was it you that suggested I should reverse engineer MCE? Jul 03 16:04:45 yes Jul 03 16:04:46 DocScrutinizer: well, it meant if you aren't a part of nokia or a commercial dev or something Jul 03 16:04:51 which bits specifically? Jul 03 16:04:52 shit Jul 03 16:05:00 DocScrutinizer: that is what I assumed Jul 03 16:05:04 my usb port of the n900 broke Jul 03 16:05:08 the whole friggin mce engine? Jul 03 16:05:18 Jartza: OHNOES Jul 03 16:05:36 mce? Jul 03 16:05:37 I hear mce requires little changes to compile against 2.6.28 Jul 03 16:05:55 the whole plug came out while unplugging the charger Jul 03 16:05:56 Jartza: Hopefully it is still under warranty? Jul 03 16:06:07 well I am planning to take the Harmattan MCE and the Fremantle MCE along with the Harmattan MCE source code and use some reverse engineering Jul 03 16:06:09 the more i hear about broken usb ports the more i think about fixing (epoxy glue) mine before it breaks Jul 03 16:06:16 and from there work out whats different between both Jul 03 16:06:21 MohammadAG: exactly, it shouldn't be too hard to backport from meego Jul 03 16:06:35 i.e. come up with some code that matches the Fremantle MCE Jul 03 16:06:36 ok after warranty :) Jul 03 16:06:45 jonwil: sounds like a plan Jul 03 16:06:59 there are definatly differences between MCE in harmattan and MCE in fremantle Jul 03 16:07:05 cehteh: fix (solder) it Jul 03 16:07:12 cehteh: much better than epoxy Jul 03 16:07:17 Not sure if I should use harmattan MCE code or meego repo MCE code Jul 03 16:07:25 DocScrutinizer: mine isnt broken yet and i dont want to modify anything while warranty Jul 03 16:07:26 but harmattan is easier to get binaries for Jul 03 16:07:36 of course i would solder it first Jul 03 16:07:41 what is mce? :/ Jul 03 16:07:48 mode control entity Jul 03 16:07:53 it does important hardware stuff on the phone Jul 03 16:08:01 like talking to the vibrator Jul 03 16:08:05 jonwil, afaik it was someone who knows both of their codes Jul 03 16:08:06 ah Jul 03 16:08:20 basically, get meego mce to compile, run the same libraries Jul 03 16:08:26 mode/machine control entity Jul 03 16:08:46 and i have to look at the pcb, would it be possible to drill small holes besides the usb port and add some support? dunno if there are wires and space around Jul 03 16:08:47 I do know that tklock.c from meego/harmattan mce is different to that from Fremantle mce Jul 03 16:09:24 that's a library, not mce itself though Jul 03 16:09:29 but a drop expoxy under and around the port, maybe with *thin* glas or carbon reinforcement wont hurt and should fit Jul 03 16:09:35 no, tklock.c is linked into the MCE binary Jul 03 16:09:42 its not in one of the ,so files Jul 03 16:09:51 cehteh: better use solder!!! Jul 03 16:10:10 solder wont help against the pads coming off Jul 03 16:10:38 i'd use that too .. but some other reinforcement if possible too Jul 03 16:10:48 cehteh: it WILL: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 Jul 03 16:10:58 well i am learned plastic/chemical worker :) Jul 03 16:11:31 yes soldering like that Jul 03 16:11:42 cehteh: then you know the green varnish will spoil all your effort Jul 03 16:11:54 on epoxy / whatever Jul 03 16:12:11 my usb port is bent to the left a little, I think it might break sometime soon too :( Jul 03 16:12:49 hiemanshu: immediately do http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 Jul 03 16:13:02 DocScrutinizer: yes I will Jul 03 16:13:09 DocScrutinizer: nah, thats clear, i was thinking abut drillin a smal hole left and right and then wrap a epoxy soaked kevlar, glass or carbon strand around Jul 03 16:13:17 I am really bad at soldering, I'll get it done at a place closeby, for dirt cheap Jul 03 16:13:51 cehteh: sounds ok, we don't know about traces in inner layers though -> drilling is DANGEROUS Jul 03 16:13:54 * hiemanshu loves being in India Jul 03 16:13:58 doesnt matter if it adheres to the pcb then .. it just clamps it dowen Jul 03 16:14:27 DocScrutinizer: yes thats my only scare ... i hope someone could make some suggestions where the traces are Jul 03 16:14:28 cehteh: first get proper x-ray photos of the whole thing! Jul 03 16:15:09 but looking at the skrew hole beneath and the open space on the other side there might be no traces .. but agrees to be sure this needs some investigation Jul 03 16:15:22 dont you want to xray your device? :) Jul 03 16:15:32 eeeeeek no Jul 03 16:15:41 haha Jul 03 16:15:46 I love all my data in flash Jul 03 16:16:09 I love my electret membrane in mic Jul 03 16:16:12 normally xray doesnt erase flash .. but .. heh .. who knows Jul 03 16:16:24 well some dental xray can be very finely targeted Jul 03 16:16:58 no warranty in this phone anymore Jul 03 16:17:00 fuck Jul 03 16:17:29 I have another scrap n900 which still can be used to charge the battery Jul 03 16:17:45 Jartza: get http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 .zip! Jul 03 16:17:52 * Jaffa 's N900 (according to nokia.com) was in warranty and got replaced by a N8 (last week) Jul 03 16:18:15 * SpeedEvil ponders trying to find a scrap n900. Jul 03 16:18:18 * cehteh would like to have a 2nd device for testing and spare part donor Jul 03 16:18:20 all hail to Nokia for that, Jaffa Jul 03 16:18:22 Ahhahaha Jul 03 16:18:26 I want to try and fix the cellmo and USB on mine Jul 03 16:18:35 Jaffa: can they do that? .. i wont accept that Jul 03 16:18:42 Doc: Want fun? Jul 03 16:18:44 if they cant fix it, then money back Jul 03 16:18:46 there's a terroristy way of fixing the USB port Jul 03 16:19:01 RST38h: not yet :-) Jul 03 16:19:12 Doc: Let us say there is a .c file with some inline THUMB assembly Jul 03 16:19:16 solder a usb wire .. n900 with piggy tail :) Jul 03 16:19:20 Nothing special, just normal GCC inline assembly Jul 03 16:19:30 Compiles fine, at least for a while Jul 03 16:19:34 cehteh: or several wires - depending on how screwed up it is Jul 03 16:19:47 yeah Jul 03 16:19:56 Then I start getting this: C:\Users\fms\AppData\Local\Temp\ccuCBOFM.s:305: Error: lo register required -- `and r1,r8` Jul 03 16:20:11 well i 'can' do such delicate soldering .. but that doesnt mean i like it Jul 03 16:20:15 ... There is actually sufficient space (given some chopping) to fit a mini-USB connector in there. Jul 03 16:20:16 Why would GCC use R8 in THUMB assembly? :) Jul 03 16:20:19 Yet, it does Jul 03 16:20:59 heh, for parameter passing? Jul 03 16:21:02 normally i am not a hardware guy and i do that rarely only if i must, so i am not very good at it Jul 03 16:21:45 still the extra serial port i once added to my newton looks like it belong to it and was desiged by apple :) Jul 03 16:21:51 cehteh: I can't see anything that's <20cm away from my eyes anymore Jul 03 16:22:11 cehteh: so don't ask me about how pleasant such soldering is Jul 03 16:22:26 Doc: yep Jul 03 16:23:04 well, let's say 15cm Jul 03 16:23:38 still no good for soldering such stuff - I'm getting to old for that shit (said Clint Eastwood) Jul 03 16:24:22 If I needed my USB port fixed and my device was out of warranty or I didnt want to take it to Nokia to get it replaced with an N8, I would ask around at some mobile phone/gadget repair type shops for somewhere that can do fine soldering and ask them to fix it :) Jul 03 16:25:37 jonwil: well around here if open it yourself, and ask someone to fine solder it, its about half a euro Jul 03 16:25:39 though the USB ruggedizing as of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 looks simple enough, even for mediocre iron artists Jul 03 16:26:30 I mean that's a component and joint of ~5mm size, and not really any delicate stuff in vicinity that you could kill Jul 03 16:26:55 except the camera lens that well you can avoid easily unless you are bling Jul 03 16:26:57 blind* Jul 03 16:27:09 cover it! Jul 03 16:27:20 highly recommended Jul 03 16:27:23 hmmh Jul 03 16:27:26 oh well Jul 03 16:27:40 Jartza: your case is more delicate Jul 03 16:28:06 DocScrutinizer: good that i am shortsighted .. without glasses i cant see anything which is >20cm away :P Jul 03 16:28:16 hehehe Jul 03 16:28:16 I used to solder modchips to consoles, but not anymore :) Jul 03 16:28:31 I think I'm not going to fix this myself Jul 03 16:28:38 yep Jul 03 16:28:51 find a nice good repair shop Jul 03 16:28:55 maybe I'll just pray for n950 :) Jul 03 16:29:13 that's "changing LED color of your phone" 15 times a day Jul 03 16:29:16 DocScrutinizer: but yes .. i am starting to remove glasses to read the n900 screen at least when the browser use small fonts or some map text is small Jul 03 16:30:03 guess a smartphone with a 7" display for 'elderly geeks' would be the next big thing soon :P Jul 03 16:30:11 cehteh: I have the advantage my sight is 180% so I can read the 12PT Nokia font in xchat from almost a meter Jul 03 16:31:23 nice Jul 03 16:31:32 once worked for me too Jul 03 16:32:49 but I start to fail reading the ingredients list on some instant noodle soup bags ;-P Jul 03 16:33:12 maybe freudean Jul 03 16:38:08 oh well Jul 03 16:38:32 friend of mine looked at the picture of the usb-fix .zip and told me he could do it :) Jul 03 16:38:40 "easy" Jul 03 16:40:34 wtf .. why does someone zip a .jpg? Jul 03 16:41:21 meego htc, possible? Jul 03 16:42:55 Doc: FIxed it - have to use "l" constraint rather than "r" Jul 03 16:43:08 I'm still going to make a backup of my phone with rsync before giving it to my friend :) Jul 03 16:57:19 RST38h: :-) (still if you'd use tab expansion I'd get highlighted :-D better chances your posts don't get lost) Jul 03 16:58:54 RST38h: basically it's been you who made me remove my highlight on "doc:" as you used it for Doc_home or what's been his name as well Jul 03 17:00:16 rascal999: look at the meego wiki, short answer, no Jul 03 17:00:31 hi where can I download the Nokia PC suite for N900 Jul 03 17:00:44 I keep getting betalabs on google and or symbian Jul 03 17:00:51 ooh Jul 03 17:01:25 can anyone help me find the download page Jul 03 17:01:38 wait a while, somebody will help Jul 03 17:02:49 JZA: just download the latest nokia ovi suite, works fine with the N900 too Jul 03 17:03:03 JZA: on a general notice - for flashing it's strongly suggested to use linux and flasher-3.5 rather than PC suite Jul 03 17:03:25 JZA: http://www.comms.ovi.com/m/p/ovi/suite/index_en_uk.html Jul 03 17:03:27 JZA: also see : Jul 03 17:03:29 ~flash Jul 03 17:03:30 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 03 17:04:05 DocScrutinizer: its easier to use ovi suite for backing up contacts and such (directly goes into windows contacts for me) Jul 03 17:04:22 I agree though there's probably a need for PC suite to sync to outlook ;-) Jul 03 17:05:00 * hiemanshu doesn't care about/use outlook Jul 03 17:05:24 thanks thats what I needed. I guess I miss the renaming from Nokia PC Suite to Ovi Suite Jul 03 17:05:33 hiemanshu: got NFI what windoze is using for "contacts" today Jul 03 17:06:02 so just to make sure, i want to share internet from my n900 to my laptop, will the Ovi Suite take care of that? Jul 03 17:06:04 thought they'll never drop outlook(-express) Jul 03 17:06:08 DocScrutinizer: it uses .contact files, but you can change or import it Jul 03 17:06:36 JZA: afaik yes Jul 03 17:06:54 JZA: beware, as ovi is going to be merged back into nokia brand it will probably soon be called nokia suite or something Jul 03 17:06:55 JZA: though not exactly needed for that purpose Jul 03 17:08:25 to windows (and any USB host PC) the N900 should look like an arbitrary USB 3G stick aiui Jul 03 17:09:15 but OVI suite brings some .inf files or whatever to facilitate that use case Jul 03 17:10:00 (no windoze here, so all this is noob's advice at best) Jul 03 17:11:20 JZA: you need the right drivers and it should be fine really, you need ovi suite Jul 03 17:14:38 can it be that ssh cuts on the pw lenght? Jul 03 17:14:43 or the n900 does? Jul 03 17:15:12 I can log in if I just put 10 correct and 4 false digits of my 14 digit root pw Jul 03 17:18:04 <_NIN> http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/o488u1g1/Screenshot20110703174510.png anyone knows what might cause this filemanager "bug"? There is nothing mounted in /media/ (except mmc1), the second item for the N900 storage is wrong, says "filesystem not supported" when I touch it. It is somehow related to gnome-vfs, because when I kill it, the second entry disappears. Jul 03 17:20:15 hey did anyone notice that the root pw on the n900 is only validated on the first 8 digits? Jul 03 17:20:37 I did some testing and I do have a 14 digit pw, but I only need to use 8 to be able to log in over ssh Jul 03 17:20:39 WTF? Jul 03 17:21:06 hiemanshu: what u mean the right drivers, do I need aditional driver download? I am running windows 7 Jul 03 17:21:41 JZA: the N900 drivers, and yes you need them on windows 7, installing ovi suite will download the USB drivers for you Jul 03 17:22:09 ah ok Jul 03 17:22:09 anyone? Jul 03 17:26:46 merlin1991: that's normal for certain crypt() implementations linux is using to build the pw hashes in /etc/passwd (|shadow) Jul 03 17:27:00 isn't that "unsafe" ? Jul 03 17:27:22 brute forcing a pw lenght of 8 vs 14 is quite a HUGE difference afaik Jul 03 17:27:32 not really, but you're free to use other default encryption algo Jul 03 17:28:30 see man 3 crypt Jul 03 17:29:42 also safe 8 char passwords that are really hard to brute force ar no rocket surgery Jul 03 17:33:06 dm8tbr: you are wrong meanwhile .. 8 chars are petty easily brute forceable, at worst you need to spend some bucks to hire some gpu power from the cloud Jul 03 17:33:54 top notch gpus brute forcing hashes in no time .. no rainbow tables required anymore, salting wont rescue you Jul 03 17:34:03 merlin1991: >> In the SHA implementation the entire key is significant (instead of only the first 8 bytes in MD5). Jul 03 17:34:25 some expensive hashing algo like beecrypt may help a bit Jul 03 17:34:45 I'm just chaning from pw based ssh server to key based (if it's supported) Jul 03 17:35:24 on the n900, yes works Jul 03 17:35:42 i only use pk crypto, no passwords Jul 03 17:37:03 now If I'd remember the command to disable the pw Jul 03 17:37:29 rm -rf /etc/passwd :P Jul 03 17:37:42 -rf ??? Jul 03 17:37:51 really fast Jul 03 17:37:55 cehteh: watch out! Jul 03 17:38:07 cehteh: passwd -l root Jul 03 17:38:47 does the n900 use PAM? Jul 03 17:38:47 merlin1991: keep an open shell login to rot, so you can revert if it fails Jul 03 17:38:47 cehteh: [ ] you understood my statement Jul 03 17:38:58 DocScrutinizer: yes I did :D Jul 03 17:39:07 besides sudo gainroot should still work Jul 03 17:39:09 cehteh: try to brute force a n900 via UMTS or WLAN Jul 03 17:39:20 no 'magic gpu pixie dust' will help you Jul 03 17:39:39 dm8tbr: yes you have to acquire the hashes somehow Jul 03 17:39:54 cehteh: if you acquire the device phyiscally, why care for the hash? Jul 03 17:39:55 ai shit Jul 03 17:40:04 Server refused our key Jul 03 17:40:12 well sometimes there are easier ways .. bugs you know Jul 03 17:40:35 meh Jul 03 17:40:36 and I agree if it's the old crypt hash then it's not salted and john will crack it quickly Jul 03 17:40:56 still there are significantly more secure passwords than lower case ascii 7bit Jul 03 17:41:03 not only old crypt also more decent ones Jul 03 17:41:39 length matters .. but 8 chars are not secure anymore even with sha1/256/whatever Jul 03 17:41:40 I'd like you to brute force a proper salted hash with 8 characters where you have no idea about the chars Jul 03 17:41:53 if you can get the N900 passwd file and hashes in there, then you owned the machine already. Absolutely academic debate to wonder how hard it may be to brute-force from hash to passwd Jul 03 17:42:06 exactly my point, thanks DocScrutinizer Jul 03 17:42:28 if gpus are fast enough to go over tens of millions hashes per second then even salting doesnt help .. thats brute force, not rainbow tables Jul 03 17:42:54 cehteh: what did you do to enable public key logon to the n900? Jul 03 17:42:57 anything special? Jul 03 17:42:59 salting only protects against rainbow tables and other plaintext attacs Jul 03 17:43:08 cehteh: that's because someone will store government secrets on their n900, only protected by the root password.... rrrright Jul 03 17:43:12 cehteh: who cares? Jul 03 17:43:23 merlin1991: you use openssh? not dropbear? Jul 03 17:43:29 openssh Jul 03 17:43:32 ok Jul 03 17:44:08 you added your key to the authorized_key file? Jul 03 17:44:18 yes Jul 03 17:44:18 cehteh: you CAN NOT brute-force crack a N900 via wlan ssh access Jul 03 17:44:27 double check that you did that correctly Jul 03 17:44:37 copy paste, spaces, formatting and so on Jul 03 17:44:52 cehteh: it's authorized_keys with an S Jul 03 17:45:02 when you cant figure out you can stop the opensshd and start it manually in debugging mode Jul 03 17:45:11 .ssh/authorized_keys Jul 03 17:45:12 yes Jul 03 17:45:32 DocScrutinizer: yes you have to acquire the hashes somehow to crack them offline Jul 03 17:45:34 merlin1991: if you are scared about it, just use denyhosts :P Jul 03 17:45:43 but .. hey .. i saied bugs .. Jul 03 17:46:00 microb has some nokia plugins for example .. did you audited them? Jul 03 17:46:34 merlin1991: make sure your permissions on $HOME and $HOME/.ssh and $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys are correct. Otherwise sshd will refuse to sign-in Jul 03 17:46:56 cehteh: if you want to play academic nonsense. please point me to a publication showing salted md5 or sha* being unsafe for random 8 chars by being brute forceable in <1 year. Jul 03 17:46:57 they starting HAM for example which runs as root .. so if there is a bug/exploit, there is at least some root priv to read passwd there Jul 03 17:46:59 how should they be? Jul 03 17:47:33 cehteh: the chance to get root access via a "bug" is way higher than the chance to get the passwd file to decrypt the hashes Jul 03 17:47:40 dm8tbr: on our last lug meeting we talked about that .. google for "password cracking gpu" ... Jul 03 17:48:13 cehteh: mind if I query you about the setup? Jul 03 17:48:15 cehteh: so you don't know one, thanks for confirming all you have is hot air and buzz words. ktxbai Jul 03 17:48:15 yes sshd is very pity about correct permissions on all its files Jul 03 17:48:26 merlin1991: ok Jul 03 17:49:16 merlin1991: WFM: Jul 03 17:49:21 IroN900:~# ll -d $HOME Jul 03 17:49:23 drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 2816 2011-06-28 12:11 /root Jul 03 17:49:24 IroN900:~# ll -d /root/.ssh/ Jul 03 17:49:26 drwx------ 2 root root 304 2010-10-28 02:27 /root/.ssh/ Jul 03 17:49:47 for user root Jul 03 17:51:11 IroN900:~# ll -d /root/.ssh/* Jul 03 17:51:13 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1115 2007-11-15 21:07 /root/.ssh/authorized_keys Jul 03 17:51:14 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 810 2010-08-27 06:58 /root/.ssh/known_hosts Jul 03 17:51:40 mhm are works .. ok but not for privkey :) Jul 03 17:51:43 -r- Jul 03 17:52:00 i have all 600 Jul 03 17:52:43 yeah, I guess for non-root you need 600 Jul 03 17:55:34 also see: Jul 03 17:55:45 jr@halley:~> ssh-copy-id --help Jul 03 17:55:46 Usage: /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id [-i [identity_file]] [user@]machine Jul 03 18:09:11 DocScrutinizer: got it running Jul 03 18:09:19 for some reason it didn't like passwd -l root Jul 03 18:09:31 even though according to man that would keep the account live for key auth Jul 03 18:09:47 yeah Jul 03 18:09:59 and does so for example on debian Jul 03 18:53:53 javispedro: o/ Jul 03 18:56:48 helo Jul 03 19:28:23 anybody ever try out an n8? Jul 03 19:28:50 was wondering how well symbian was done on it Jul 03 19:29:54 I've heard good things about it, though still room for inprovement. Jul 03 19:29:58 Ask Jaffa. Jul 03 19:30:00 improvement Jul 03 19:30:04 SpeedEvil: hahah Jul 03 19:30:07 Or lcuk Jul 03 19:33:21 is it the same s60 experience from the n95 days? Jul 03 19:33:36 or did they pretty it up with some qt eyeplay? Jul 03 19:33:37 God no Jul 03 19:33:43 A _lot_ different Jul 03 19:34:15 There are a few familiarities, so you wont feel completely lost, but it is quite different at the same time. Jul 03 19:34:17 really? sounds interesting. wouldnt mind finding one for $100 somewhere Jul 03 19:34:20 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host#Installation Jul 03 19:34:25 is that up to date? Jul 03 19:37:38 alterego : have a look at that link pls Jul 03 19:39:52 ask MohammadAG Jul 03 19:40:49 user0: mompls, checking Jul 03 19:42:11 user0: yes, up to date Jul 03 19:42:28 Is it Monday yet? Jul 03 19:42:51 in some places of the world Jul 03 19:42:56 depends Jul 03 19:43:07 ty DocScrutinizer Jul 03 19:43:24 GAN900: waiting to ignite the fuse? Jul 03 19:43:41 user0: yw Jul 03 19:44:21 GAN900: why does it matter if it's Monday? Jul 03 19:44:32 Waiting for the house to turn into a disco studio when Nokia lights up my inbox. Jul 03 19:44:40 Heh Jul 03 19:44:50 Well, it's Monday here first :P Jul 03 19:45:26 I'll let you know what happens, besides I think we probably wont be cleared until Wednesday Jul 03 19:45:59 its 1:12 am here Jul 03 19:46:06 alterego: you are in asia? Jul 03 19:46:36 or australia Jul 03 19:47:04 No, UK Jul 03 19:47:16 But GAN is in the US Jul 03 19:47:20 ah Jul 03 19:47:23 Ugh Jul 03 19:47:24 Besides I'm closer to finish time :P Jul 03 19:47:30 well yeah Jul 03 19:47:36 They're +2 Jul 03 19:47:39 from me Jul 03 19:47:43 I am +5.3 Jul 03 19:47:52 +5.30 Jul 03 19:48:01 so yes its monday here Jul 03 19:48:55 This is silly. I should've had an N950 in my hands last Winter. Jul 03 19:48:57 hiemanshu: sure but you're way ahead of Finland Jul 03 19:49:07 GAN900: pfft, me too! :P Jul 03 19:49:11 alterego, yes, finish time indeed. Jul 03 19:49:23 I should have an N9 now too! Jul 03 19:49:31 The finish line is close. Jul 03 19:49:41 I should have enough to build a server farm by now :P Jul 03 19:49:49 the finnish line? ;) Jul 03 19:50:06 an obs build service filled with n950s and n9s Jul 03 19:50:19 dm8tbr, stay away from it! It'll turn you into a hipster. Jul 03 19:50:29 or a WP lover :P Jul 03 19:50:54 * dm8tbr doesn't snort finnish lines Jul 03 19:57:49 can 720p MP4 movies be played on the N900? Jul 03 19:59:14 hiemanshu: h.264 or ASP? Jul 03 20:00:01 a device with same SoC will happily do 720p but not h.264 IIRC, but let me check Jul 03 20:00:51 dm8tbr: not sure, but I have a 720p movie that I got from a friend and wondered if the N900 could play it Jul 03 20:01:32 don't know about the n900 but the http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_5it/specs.html?country=us&lang=en says it could, but I think they clock the 3630 a bit higher Jul 03 20:01:55 hiemanshu: try playing it. Jul 03 20:02:00 Otherwise rescale it Jul 03 20:02:27 alterego: media player says 'unsupported format' and kmplayer is stuck at buffering Jul 03 20:02:38 did anyone install the harmattan scratchbox along with the fremantle one? Jul 03 20:02:49 rcg: yes, works fine Jul 03 20:03:15 cool.. did you do it just by using the provided install script? Jul 03 20:03:23 GAN900: I should've had a N9 in my hands (and on my toolbench) 3 months ago :-P Jul 03 20:03:27 rcg: yes Jul 03 20:03:43 Stupid Elop, stupid board. Jul 03 20:03:43 hiemanshu: great. thanks! Jul 03 20:04:27 though OTOH I don't really see why I should do a qualified hw review for Nokia for free, for a device I'm not really excited about Jul 03 20:05:04 hiemanshu: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Getting_started_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK <-- this was what you did, right? Jul 03 20:06:15 rcg: downloaded from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html and ran admininstall yes Jul 03 20:06:54 hiemanshu: ic, thanks Jul 03 20:10:41 scac Jul 03 20:14:57 DocScrutinizer, because you got nothin' better to do? :P Jul 03 20:15:25 i just pulled out usb socket out of my N900 Jul 03 20:16:06 :( Jul 03 20:17:00 Gotta love idiotic cost-cutting Jul 03 20:17:27 indeed :( Jul 03 20:18:10 apple does non-replaceable batteries, nokia poorly attached usb sockets... Jul 03 20:18:37 https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Planned_obsolescence Jul 03 20:19:12 jacekowski: unlucky :( Is it your only N900? Jul 03 20:19:24 (tho ofc its unclear if thats the reason for the usb socket fail too) Jul 03 20:19:29 alterego: yes Jul 03 20:20:01 i need a broken n900. What broke? Jul 03 20:20:01 jacekowski: primary phone? :/ Jul 03 20:20:07 alterego: yes Jul 03 20:20:16 alterego: i have N95 as well so i'll use that for now Jul 03 20:20:29 Do you have an N810 Jul 03 20:20:31 no Jul 03 20:20:31 ? Jul 03 20:20:40 Eek Jul 03 20:21:07 You can charge the N900 battery in other handsets if the battery bay is larger than the battery Jul 03 20:21:20 not really a solution Jul 03 20:21:33 i'm wondering if it'll be easier to get nokia to fix it Jul 03 20:21:39 or just claim on insuranc Jul 03 20:21:42 insurance* Jul 03 20:21:42 And if it has the right connectors, like N810 Jul 03 20:21:55 You'll probably get an N8 though .. Jul 03 20:22:05 alterego: why? Jul 03 20:22:27 jacekowski: Jaffa got an N8 "upgrade" when they decided not to fix it last week. Jul 03 20:22:39 I think they may not stock replacements anymore. Jul 03 20:22:55 I think I might reinforce my two N900s Jul 03 20:23:08 so insurance then Jul 03 20:23:15 i'll tell them that i've lost it Jul 03 20:23:46 And you think your insurance company are more likely to be able to get you a replacement? Jul 03 20:24:01 well, they have to Jul 03 20:24:23 They have the same conditions as Nokia "equivalent functionality" Jul 03 20:24:39 They'll probably more likely than Nokia give you an N8, tbh. Jul 03 20:27:44 if you argue that you are a maemo developer and need the n900 then a n8 is not equivalent Jul 03 20:27:51 no matter what nokia claims Jul 03 20:28:10 if they dont have replacement, then money back Jul 03 20:28:42 * cehteh wonders if one can get a N9 or N950 as replacement :P Jul 03 20:29:34 well its just announced .. when it gets released, considering nokias awesome development speed, then no n900 with any warranty are out in the wild anymore .. Jul 03 20:33:30 think the community could get meego or cordia on a next gen phone? Jul 03 20:34:40 In a couple years something might get built that is significantly better than the N900 Jul 03 20:34:56 note: _you_ are included in "the community" =) Jul 03 20:34:57 the N9 Jul 03 20:37:06 jacekowski: The insurance companies usually give you cash, so you could look on eBay. Premiums usually go up for claiming, so a new in box N8 could get you more cash. Jul 03 20:37:26 Though they seem to be going quite cheaply on eBay :-( Jul 03 20:43:40 I'm pondering that you could probably sue Nokia for that. Jul 03 20:44:47 but. I bet a majority of the populace just keeps quiet when this happens as they assume n8 > n900, so they do no thing. a quick word with nokia care to tell them you think otherwise might get you something.. Jul 03 20:45:55 sue them for giving you what is officially considered a better phone? Jul 03 20:46:17 i thought the frivolous lawsuit thing was an american trait ;) Jul 03 20:46:54 Google+: Facebook for people you know online Jul 03 20:47:40 it all depends on wheter you think the "replacement" product meets expectations. Jul 03 20:47:52 alterego: jacekowski: time for ruggedizing the USB here :-S Jul 03 20:48:26 at least, I'm reading local law and seems that you can force manufacturer to _repair_ your old device if replacement doesn't "work as per specifications of the original product". Jul 03 20:48:27 javispedro: actually, i think you'll find the warranty says it depends on whether nokia thinks that Jul 03 20:49:28 i suspect your only hope with trying to take legal action would be nokia finding a device for you so they save on lawyer costs Jul 03 20:50:08 any way money back isn't an option, as manufacturer/reseller may pay the "current value" only, means you get ~5% off per month you used the product Jul 03 20:50:31 yes, that's also stated here. Jul 03 20:51:17 javispedro: I've sent an email to the address on the letterhead of the note explaining they "hope I enjoy my upgrade" Jul 03 20:51:50 your best bet is to get an *expensive* "replacement" and sell on ebay to trade in for a "new" N900 Jul 03 20:51:51 the n8 does make a nice camera anyway, hehe Jul 03 20:52:08 Jaffa: I think that's the best course of action as, being optimist, I believe they think they're doing you a favor (giving you a "better" device vs making you wait and getting a repaired/refurbished n900) Jul 03 20:52:25 javispedro: Aye Jul 03 20:52:45 indeed Jul 03 20:52:48 Anyway, bed time Jul 03 20:52:53 gnite Jaffa. Jul 03 20:52:55 night Jaffa Jul 03 20:53:14 More stress testing of N950 tomorrow ;-) Jul 03 20:53:50 Jaffa: are you able to sign into nokia account? Jul 03 20:53:55 for maps and them? Jul 03 20:55:42 javva make a fun youtube someday Jul 03 21:02:03 Jaffa: it's insurance that comes with my bank account Jul 03 21:02:07 Jaffa: and it's fixed fee Jul 03 21:02:26 Jaffa: it's £80/claim though Jul 03 21:20:09 Google+: Facebook for people you know online Jul 03 21:20:14 naw shit I thought that was twitter Jul 03 21:27:23 Looks like my exo is dying Jul 03 21:27:28 Interesting ... Jul 03 21:53:37 How? Jul 03 22:41:14 ideas for the next conference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzIBZQkj6SY :P Jul 03 22:43:25 lol Jul 03 23:07:36 so that you can see how box2d is actually not representative of real world physics ;) Jul 03 23:08:33 that was in barcelona?? Jul 03 23:08:45 * javispedro does not even recognize the place Jul 03 23:09:22 and what the hell is t-mobile doing here? Jul 03 23:28:18 wtf, now I realize I can increase the ideapad's c-ts sensitivity. Jul 03 23:53:44 I wonder if in harmattan there's a better camera functionality and API, to use all the camera functions (or an arbitrary subset) in own apps like barcode-reader or whatever, and also to build additional functionality into default camera app as a plugin rather than reinventing the whole app just to add dunno blink detection for example, or smile-detection, or autoshoot when camera is really horizontal Jul 04 00:07:23 DocScrutinizer: some of that is implemented in qtmobility i believe Jul 04 00:08:30 but it gets more complicated if you just want an app that can take a picture and then use it (eg, for a social network app where you append a picture to your post) Jul 04 00:08:48 probably should, natural place where the API aka widget stuff should live. What however about the plugin extensions for the full camera app gui? Jul 04 00:09:05 the qtmobility support doesn't provide you with a gui configuration interface like the default camera app does Jul 04 00:09:24 exactly Jul 04 00:10:12 yeah, i know in symbian you have to do a crazy ghetto thing where you launch the camera app with certain switches to save the picture to a temp file, and then when it returns you load the temp file Jul 04 00:10:13 e.g. we weren't able to even implement a friggin simple timer shot into fremantle's stock camera Jul 04 00:10:22 wouldn't surprise me if a similar thing had to be done for harmattan Jul 04 00:11:29 yeah, you could do that with qtmobility -- but there wouldn't be a gui to configure the camera settings (zoom, "scene mode", flash, iso, exposure) unless you implemented it yourself -- there are api calls for these settings, as i recall, but the camera widget doesn't include a gui for it Jul 04 00:11:40 so for something like a barcode reader, it's no problem Jul 04 00:12:05 nah, the widget is incomplete Jul 04 00:12:09 but if you want the user to take a real photo and then use it in your app, you're going to have to do something ugly Jul 04 00:14:35 i love 4th of july weekend, i get to play the "gunshots or illegal fireworks?" game Jul 04 00:14:38 actually the widget in QtM should be so comprehensive the the whole camera app binary is just a call to that widget, with prior setup of used/enabled properties, like callback for photo_taken, set gui_touchfocus_used=1, etc Jul 04 00:15:30 "should" ;) Jul 04 00:15:41 MUST :-) Jul 04 00:15:44 ~2119 Jul 04 00:15:46 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. Jul 04 00:17:26 well, qtmobility's api supposedly supports all features found in the n9/50 camera app (from what i've seen in videos) Jul 04 00:17:34 it's very possible they implemented the app in qtm Jul 04 00:18:04 in N9(50) the camera has such an abundance of extremely cute and complex functionality, you can't reimplement all this in every app that needs to "take pictures" Jul 04 00:18:06 but i'd have to review the harmattan apis better to see if they somehow provide a real camera widget that doesn't force you to reinvent the wheel Jul 04 00:18:17 exactly Jul 04 00:18:33 plus, consistancy of UI would never be fully replicated Jul 04 00:18:39 and that would be a MAJOR issue Jul 04 00:18:52 yes Jul 04 00:19:32 Depends how it's done Jul 04 00:19:41 For example - face recognition may be in a DSP blob Jul 04 00:19:48 how what's done? Jul 04 00:19:56 yes Jul 04 00:19:58 sure Jul 04 00:20:05 And that sort of thing. Jul 04 00:20:28 so how would you re-use it in your own app? if widget doesn't support it Jul 04 00:20:34 yeah, but it's still something they could provide access to via a harmattan specific widget Jul 04 00:20:39 Being able to swap the face recogniser for a streetsign recogniser, or ... Jul 04 00:20:40 yeah Jul 04 00:20:45 which wouldn't make code portable though.. Jul 04 00:21:29 doesn't matter if it's portable, as the camera isn't either Jul 04 00:21:41 I see we're all on same page though Jul 04 00:22:03 yeah, but it's something they could've tried to put into qtmobility Jul 04 00:22:39 looking over the harmattan widgets now, not seeing any additional camera stuff Jul 04 00:23:15 a complex camera widget opject, with lots of parameters that configure each possible aspect of the GUI, and a callback to plug in handlers for each and every possible event or sub-object Jul 04 00:23:42 s/opj/obj/ Jul 04 00:23:44 DocScrutinizer meant: a complex camera widget object, with lots of parameters that configure each possible aspect of the GUI, and a callback to plug in handlers for each and every possible event or sub-object Jul 04 00:23:47 what qtm has for cameras is correct Jul 04 00:24:11 but there should also be something like QCameraSimple that just uses a prebuilt widget with the main camera app's UI Jul 04 00:24:25 and it should just have a signal for when a picture is taken and so forth Jul 04 00:25:18 interesting... http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/showdoc.php?pkn=maemo-meegotouch-interfaces&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9tYWVtby1tZWVnb3RvdWNoLWludGVyZmFjZXM%3D Jul 04 00:25:26 CameraInterface class Jul 04 00:25:43 that's it Jul 04 00:25:50 o.O Jul 04 00:26:00 it's actually for launching the app Jul 04 00:26:03 DocScrutinizer : worth installing the chromium port? Jul 04 00:26:12 see swipe guides for "app interlaunching" or whatever is called Jul 04 00:26:13 yeah, but it provides signals for when pictures are taken Jul 04 00:26:14 or is it buggy as hell? Jul 04 00:26:25 nfc Jul 04 00:26:26 void captureCompleted (const QString &mode, const QString &fileName) Jul 04 00:26:47 ieatlint: that URL gives me a rather nonsensy page Jul 04 00:27:02 root of api docs Jul 04 00:27:16 bah, ok Jul 04 00:27:17 http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/ Jul 04 00:27:34 look at "Application Framework" and "maemo-meegotouch-interfaces" Jul 04 00:28:06 under the class lists you'll find CameraInterface Jul 04 00:37:49 related to my yesterday's rant about datepicker widget: there should be a method in CalendarInterface Class called tDate CalendarDatePicker() that opens calendar (with all appointments, birthdays, whatnot) in week or month view (selectable by call parameter), and instead of creating a new appointment by clicking on a date, the user just returns that very date he picked to the caller of this method Jul 04 00:38:37 DEFINITELY smater than any friggin slotmachine ;-) Jul 04 00:38:45 smarter even Jul 04 00:41:26 ieatlint: found it, thanks. Disappointing :-/ Jul 04 00:41:47 meh... it's not ideal, but it's an actual method Jul 04 00:41:52 better than others i've had to use Jul 04 00:42:05 seems you couldn't even trigger an actual capture Jul 04 00:42:37 for e.g. starting up with video capture already running Jul 04 00:43:25 you can with the qtmobility api Jul 04 00:43:31 but then you don't have the UI for the user Jul 04 00:43:43 or doing a timer shot... still impossible to implement if it's missing in stock app Jul 04 00:44:25 actually the mode thing is unclear Jul 04 00:44:32 indeed Jul 04 00:44:47 it may be that one of the modes is that... it doesn't say Jul 04 00:45:04 and Qt had a nice method with signals and slots to add such things like "shoot now" Jul 04 00:46:42 DocScrutinizer: btw, the qml datepicker that intel made for the tablet ux... is a calendar widget. Jul 04 00:46:42 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if Qt is actually using dbus for their signals/slots concept. Or if that's again a reinventing-the-wheel thing Jul 04 00:46:57 javispedro: \o/ Jul 04 00:47:02 DocScrutinizer: I think you're overstimating what signals/slots is Jul 04 00:47:24 DocScrutinizer: it does not IPC at all, usually (but qdbus does map signals/slots to dbus ipc calls) Jul 04 00:47:28 I think I'm simplifying what dbus is ;-) Jul 04 00:48:20 javispedro: (calendar) still my idea as of above is brilliant ;-) Jul 04 00:48:45 there's no better calendar based datepicker than THE calendar Jul 04 00:48:57 it might confuse Jul 04 00:49:24 I still think a calendar widget is best, maybe with that color dots thing to simbolize existing calendar appointments if you find that useful Jul 04 00:49:27 depends - sure you need a hint in calendar that it's in picker mode, not in full featured app mode Jul 04 00:50:19 and probably you should disable switching to ToDo list when in picker mode Jul 04 00:51:11 and swiping calendar away should return NULL to the method call rather than put the picker into the task switcher ;-D Jul 04 00:51:57 * javispedro ponders wheter to return motion + buttondown or buttondown + motion on finger down Jul 04 00:52:32 clearly first Jul 04 00:52:40 ok, agreed. Jul 04 00:53:30 and with this I call it a day Jul 04 00:53:35 gnite! Jul 04 00:53:40 nite! Jul 04 01:00:27 lol, I just took the padlock lower-right corner of FF for a full integral helmet - time for afk ;-P Jul 04 01:01:36 thought "erhm, helmet == security. Strange but reasonable" Jul 04 01:02:01 bbl Jul 04 01:12:05 ~aegis Jul 04 01:12:06 Transaction-based software configuration management system. URL: http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~millerp/aegis/, or a language agnostic scriptable window manager URL: http://aegis.thegraveyard.org Jul 04 01:13:26 meh, all 404 Jul 04 01:13:59 ~aegis-old is Transaction-based software configuration management system. URL: http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~millerp/aegis/, or a language agnostic scriptable window manager URL: http://aegis.thegraveyard.org Jul 04 01:14:00 DocScrutinizer: okay Jul 04 01:14:08 ~forget aegis Jul 04 01:14:09 i forgot aegis, DocScrutinizer Jul 04 01:14:21 ~aegis is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide Jul 04 01:14:22 okay, DocScrutinizer Jul 04 01:22:57 ~aegis is also "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment." Jul 04 01:22:57 okay, DocScrutinizer Jul 04 01:23:36 ~aegis Jul 04 01:23:37 [aegis] http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide, or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment." Jul 04 01:27:47 ~aegis is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism Jul 04 01:27:48 okay, DocScrutinizer Jul 04 02:10:56 I think I have finally figured out the best answer to reverse engineer MCE. What I will do is to take the earliest revision of the MeeGo git MCE tree and compile that as-is with the Fremantle X86 SDK. Then by comparing those binaries with the Fremantle MCE binaries I can identify just what has changed and hopefully come up with some usable source code that somehow matches Jul 04 02:11:02 matches Fremantle MCE Jul 04 02:13:15 hmm - interestin Jul 04 02:15:56 jonwil: which assumes the mce X86 binary that ships with SB (if any) isn't a adapted version that's meant to run on desktop PC and has nothing in common with the ARMEL version that's for the N900 Jul 04 02:16:22 analysis so far shows it isnt that different Jul 04 02:17:54 I do note that the Harmattan MCE x86 binaries from scratchbox and the Harmattan ARMEL binaries dont seem to differ, nor does the source code I have contain anything that checks the CPU type Jul 04 02:18:12 I honestly doubt desktop qemu X86 mce that comes with fremantle SDK (I still feel puzzled if there's such a thing at all) for sure won't deal with things like kbd backlight and ALS and proxy sensor, as those things don't exist on a PC Jul 04 02:20:00 that's why I think it's probably more snae to compare the ARMEL binary as shipped with fremantle image to a ARMEL build on fremantle SDK of harmattan mce Jul 04 02:21:25 and I still doubt there's such a thing like a fremantle X86 mce binary at all Jul 04 02:21:58 if there is, then it's probably a dumy Jul 04 02:22:01 dummy* Jul 04 02:24:12 It could be useful with appropriate dummy x86 drivers Jul 04 02:24:19 So you could do dev before you have the hw up Jul 04 02:27:00 yeah, you probably don't want dsme/upstart fail on starting mce, and maybe you even want dbus msgs to "mce" answered properly, but I doubt it implements whatever flavour of LED patterns actually Jul 04 02:29:41 well, at lwast locate reveals /scratchbox/users/jr/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/etc/mce/mce.ini Jul 04 02:29:49 least* Jul 04 02:30:40 I still have concerns it's definitely not on same codebase as the ARMEL one Jul 04 02:33:03 err, maybe I got something completely wrong, as noth are identical size: Jul 04 02:33:14 -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 19031 29. Jul 2010 /scratchbox/users/jr/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/etc/mce/mce.ini Jul 04 02:33:16 -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 19031 29. Jul 2010 /scratchbox/users/jr/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/etc/mce/mce.ini Jul 04 02:33:34 Cunning Jul 04 02:33:37 err sorry Jul 04 02:33:45 time for bed Jul 04 02:37:00 hmm Jul 04 02:37:08 jr@halley:~> ll /scratchbox/users/jr/targets/*/sbin/mce Jul 04 02:37:09 -rwxr-xr-x 1 jr users 80760 29. Jul 2010 /scratchbox/users/jr/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/sbin/mce Jul 04 02:37:11 -rwxr-xr-x 1 jr users 80212 29. Jul 2010 /scratchbox/users/jr/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/sbin/mce Jul 04 02:39:01 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > mce --help Jul 04 02:39:03 Usage: mce [OPTION]... Jul 04 02:39:04 ... Jul 04 02:39:06 qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped Jul 04 02:51:33 lol, ok. mce segfaults on both SB and N900 ;-P Jul 04 02:51:43 and version is also absolutely same **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 04 02:59:57 2011