**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 04 02:59:58 2011 Jul 04 03:04:05 ok, I now have a compiled x86 binary to play with Jul 04 03:04:14 alongside the Fremantle SDK version Jul 04 03:15:31 ok, lets start with some of the MCE plugins as those are likely to be simple Jul 04 03:16:42 DocScrutinizer, should work on x86 Jul 04 03:17:07 weird feeling when you're wasted and you close your eyes for a bit Jul 04 03:17:25 woke up after 5h with the sun in my face Jul 04 03:17:51 anyway, time to go on with that, night Jul 04 03:18:20 DocScrutinizer, oh and tip, --debug Jul 04 03:32:03 ok, so far so good, filter-brightness-simple.c seems to be identical to Harmattan code with one exception and so far datapipe.c seems to be identical Jul 04 03:34:27 DocScrutinizer, you should work Jul 04 03:34:52 where's Dave? Jul 04 03:37:23 yep, no changes to datapipe.c that would break things Jul 04 03:59:11 ok, looks like I need to rebuild my MCE compile without logging as the MCE binary I have from Fremantle has no logging Jul 04 03:59:30 good morning Jul 04 04:00:56 actually no Jul 04 04:00:58 I dont need to Jul 04 04:01:01 I can just ignore the logging Jul 04 04:14:01 anyone wanna buy a good condition n900 Jul 04 04:14:11 in usa! Jul 04 04:15:39 ok lol Jul 04 04:20:34 anyone wanna buy a good condition n900 Jul 04 04:25:22 sure, but I am in india :P Jul 04 04:31:13 would u want me to ship it? Jul 04 04:31:40 hiemanshu: want me to ship ir to you? Jul 04 04:32:05 well it depends how much the shipping and the phone would cost Jul 04 04:32:18 pauly: PM? Jul 04 04:34:43 hiemanshu: 320 usd? Jul 04 05:04:59 so far so good, less changes between Fremantle MCE and Harmattan MCE than I thought Jul 04 05:23:48 fine, so maybe we can simply replace the fremantle one ? Jul 04 05:24:08 though I'm puzzled, is harmattan mce FOSS? Jul 04 05:24:31 or do you refer to meegoCE mce? Jul 04 05:26:52 * DocScrutinizer ownders how much mce would need to adapt to N950 hw, for harmattan Jul 04 05:36:16 meh, all N950 RDA offline Jul 04 05:45:28 mood groaning Jul 04 05:45:31 * ruskie contemplates building ewebkit and eve for the n900 Jul 04 06:50:55 Hm, so guys: How do I run a shell on a specific terminal instance? Jul 04 06:51:24 So, I'm connecting via a serial port, and I want to launch an instance of sh connected to /dev/tty0 Jul 04 06:52:29 or, tty1 anyway Jul 04 06:59:11 you'll have to write a wrapper to act as login and call sh with that as controlling terminal, I guess Jul 04 06:59:50 robbiethe1st: /etc/inittab Jul 04 07:00:03 run agetty on ttySP Jul 04 07:00:06 run agetty on ttyS0 Jul 04 07:00:09 even Jul 04 07:00:14 Hm, that could do it... Jul 04 07:00:41 That's how it's normally done :P Jul 04 07:00:55 didn't know there was a getty on my phone :P Jul 04 07:01:00 I've never seen its console Jul 04 07:01:31 Um, I can give you the command to setup a USB-serial console with it, if you wish Jul 04 07:02:23 Hurp, there is no getty Jul 04 07:02:33 yes there is Jul 04 07:02:36 busybox is supposed to supply it though Jul 04 07:02:40 part of busybox Jul 04 07:03:07 it may not have the symbolic link on stock Maemo, but it works nicely. Jul 04 07:03:08 Nokia-N900:~# which agetty Jul 04 07:03:08 Nokia-N900:~# Jul 04 07:03:15 agetty, no. getty Jul 04 07:03:24 oh Jul 04 07:03:28 there is one, yes Jul 04 07:07:32 PERFECT Jul 04 07:07:47 I got it working! That was the last thing I needed to get a working recovery console on the N900 Jul 04 07:07:55 (inside backupmenu Jul 04 07:08:10 :) Jul 04 07:11:42 Now, one more question. getty wants a baud rate. I used 115200, because I know that works on just about everything(aside from 20-year-old machines)... what baud rate should I be using for an internal console emulator? Jul 04 07:12:31 Jul 04 07:14:22 115200 is fine Jul 04 07:20:44 morning Jul 04 07:21:02 ok, I elise today that I can't simply use the cellular info Jul 04 07:21:30 I need to give it weights , as some cellular IDs are not used for a segnificent amount of time Jul 04 07:22:05 which makes my app of telling me before I reace my bus station - a graph problem Jul 04 07:22:08 great... Jul 04 07:50:32 pauly.. :/ good condition n900.. /me wonders how it's good condition when usb port came off Jul 04 07:51:38 Heh Jul 04 07:51:41 lol Jul 04 07:54:04 easily; some of them had poor USB traces. Not exactly a wear issue. Jul 04 07:54:30 Mine, on the other hand, is somewhat beat up, but still has a rock-solid USB port, despite being dropped onto the USB cable several times Jul 04 07:55:13 robbiethe1st, yep, mine too Jul 04 07:55:57 after the USB on my first one falling out, i am constantly paranoid that the tiniest wiggle when i plug it in means it is about to do it AGAIN T_T Jul 04 07:56:16 looks fairly ok though... T_T Jul 04 08:01:41 macmaN: Nokia Account has been on and off; so I carefully recreated it and it was fine Jul 04 08:02:10 recreated? how such? Jul 04 08:02:21 macmaN: Delete & recreate on N950 Jul 04 08:04:55 i am not understanding how i can delete the account from n950 when i cannot even add it there Jul 04 08:05:11 it *is* the same overall ovi.com etc nokia sso account right? Jul 04 08:05:57 i just did reset password from the phone, so it did find my email address Jul 04 08:07:58 macmaN, yes, Ovi account is Nokia account Jul 04 08:10:58 right Jul 04 08:11:16 it just shoots me "service is unavailable" and thats that Jul 04 08:11:50 Venemo: ddi you get an email? Jul 04 08:12:19 cityLights, only the first ACCEPTED e-mail from Quim, nothing else besides that. Jul 04 08:28:46 woot Jul 04 08:29:01 11:23 quimgil 96 Community application discovery client for Meego 1.2 Harmattan released as open source project http://bit.ly/m6oUJ3 Jul 04 08:34:04 wow that password reset email is taking its sweet time to get here Jul 04 08:36:24 so the LED status indicator on N950 seems to only work for charging Jul 04 08:36:56 no way to know about missed messages or calls on standby Jul 04 08:56:53 lardman! Jul 04 08:57:07 I ran some simple cellular tracking today Jul 04 08:57:17 and I found that it acts kind of weird Jul 04 08:57:50 sometimes when the cellid changes , it jumps to a number then returns , and stays at a nother id Jul 04 08:58:43 morning Jul 04 08:59:01 cityLights: that is a bit strange Jul 04 08:59:15 but perhaps it's switching between 3 cells? Jul 04 08:59:30 anyone got a Launchpad confirmation email yet? Jul 04 09:00:03 nope Jul 04 09:00:07 :( Jul 04 09:02:34 Anyone know the best way to use pulseaudio in scratchbox? Jul 04 09:08:52 you can't iirc Jul 04 09:08:58 lardman, nope Jul 04 09:13:15 apart from all these people wanting to grab flash player 10 and tweak flash player app, has there been any other leaks with the libflashplugin.so? :) Jul 04 09:16:10 looks like there isn't :) I've found a site where the guy leaked 10.1. I've repacked it into a nice deb file and am going to make a new thread Jul 04 09:23:32 fredrin: please elaborate Jul 04 09:24:32 macmaN: we'll need to port fremantle mce to harmattan for that Jul 04 09:25:17 mmmkay Jul 04 09:25:21 macmaN: I gather harmattan on N950 is basically targeted at N9 Jul 04 09:25:56 psycho_oreos, your thread will be taken down Jul 04 09:25:56 it's illegal to post it on tmo Jul 04 09:26:19 MohammadAG, hmm d*mn! thanks :/ Jul 04 09:27:57 MohammadAG: thanks, sorry for the slow reply, was booking a van Jul 04 09:32:23 psycho_oreos: Post it on some shady site with a unieuq title string. wait for google to find it, then post that title string. Jul 04 09:32:27 (on tmo Jul 04 09:33:59 robbiethe1st, I was thinking something similar along the lines of that :) the thing is this bloke leaked flash 10.1 for N900, all I did was encase it in a nice looking deb :) I guess somethings somewhat make you wonder like fmtxd and what not for instance ;) Jul 04 09:34:51 Hey, putting it in a .deb is seriously important. It's just a lot harder to follow arcane commands than to click on a .deb Jul 04 09:34:59 it is indeed great that this kind of useful piece of code exists, but apparently the customers should have none of it. Jul 04 09:35:00 also makes removal a *lot* easier Jul 04 09:35:22 Now, erm, isn't this the old Flash version that crashes about half the time, though> Jul 04 09:35:46 There was one 10. varient which was indeed a developer version; it was seriously unstable and not done quite Jul 04 09:36:02 in theory yes, but it can also depend on how its made :) an ugly deb file like I made just now includes both current and leaked in case people complain about leaked copy is woeful, etc, etc, etc Jul 04 09:36:24 yeah it was available through that ti website iirc. It was on that huge tmo thread Jul 04 09:37:17 hmm, where are these emails..... Jul 04 09:37:40 robbiethe1st: and especially not hw-accelerated afaik Jul 04 09:37:52 Yea, sadly. Jul 04 09:37:56 I actually think I can take the MeeGo/Harmattan mce source code and the Fremantle binaries and come up with code to match Fremantle Jul 04 09:38:10 Our 9.x isn't accelerated either, though, is it? Jul 04 09:38:22 I didn't think it would be, I could be mistaken Jul 04 09:38:32 jonwil: where's the harmattan mce sourcecode? Jul 04 09:38:47 I thought it was just one epic binary blob that works whenever it feels like Jul 04 09:39:07 robbiethe1st: I gather it is Jul 04 09:39:25 I am using the oldest revision of this tree http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/ Jul 04 09:39:48 that's meant for meegoCE, not harmattan -aiui Jul 04 09:39:57 Hm... I'd be interested in the N9/N950 version... Might be back-portable Jul 04 09:40:04 same with graphics drivers and such... Jul 04 09:40:07 http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/m/mce/ Jul 04 09:40:18 I was also using the code there as a reference Jul 04 09:40:21 o.O Jul 04 09:40:27 so both the MeeGo mce and the Harmattan mce Jul 04 09:40:27 jonwil, your efforts would be better spent on enhancing MeeGo CE Jul 04 09:40:43 I dont want MeeGo CE, I want maemo Jul 04 09:40:49 what for? Jul 04 09:40:55 plus, I find reverse engineering fun :) Jul 04 09:41:09 will you also backport hardfp and the newer graphics driver from meego? Jul 04 09:41:13 this code would be for a device that's [2011-07-04 10:32:48] so the LED status indicator on N950 seems to only work for charging Jul 04 09:41:52 Venemo: I fully agree with jonwil Jul 04 09:42:11 DocScrutinizer, why is that? Jul 04 09:42:29 I predict that, unless the N950 becomes available to more than a select few devs, the N900 will stay "current" for at least another year; N9 just isn't comparable. Jul 04 09:42:43 Venemo: if we follow this paradigm consequently, we can nuke cssu this second Jul 04 09:43:02 Jaffa: you handy for a chat about Proximus sometime today? Jul 04 09:43:11 Venemo: same reason I got maemo and not meegoCE on my N900 Jul 04 09:43:14 Fact is, there are people out there interested in making Fremantle better and as long as people care, I will do what I can to support them Jul 04 09:43:30 sure, I do want to keep&use my N900 for a long time. that is why it would be nice to have a working and usable MeeGo CE on N900 Jul 04 09:43:59 * DocScrutinizer hands jonwil the medal "Hero of fremantle" Jul 04 09:44:10 robbiethe1st: at least another year... yes, they will at most provide an official update next year and then drop it (SOP) Jul 04 09:44:41 I don't even expect that... Who needs Nokia anyway? Jul 04 09:44:59 lardman: Yeah, this afternoon would be good Jul 04 09:45:20 Jaffa: cool, will ping you then Jul 04 09:45:22 Thanks to the work the community's put in, it's still easily viable, and until there's something to replace it... Jul 04 09:45:30 too busy playing with the new toy this morning? ;) Jul 04 09:47:03 what? you install meego ce, install cordia on it, and you have a working (and better) fremantle clone Jul 04 09:47:48 SpeedEvil: Maybe we really should offer a USB fixing service for N900 Jul 04 09:49:37 Venemo: HAH Jul 04 09:49:55 DocScrutinizer, wut? Jul 04 09:50:00 <[DarkGUNMAN]> MeeGo CE with Cordia is getting there.. taking a guess a lot of CSSU improvements can be ported to it as well? Jul 04 09:50:11 indeed. Jul 04 09:50:29 I agree that MeeGo CE is not there yet, but it has been improving rapidly Jul 04 09:50:50 Yay, offline map loading on Harmattan works :-) Jul 04 09:51:32 <[DarkGUNMAN]> once hildon-home and hildon-status-menu are working proper, then we can see if the likes of qbw can work Jul 04 09:51:34 Jaffa, great! Jul 04 09:51:37 if THAT would be completely true, then *WTF* isn't forum exploding with threads titled "microB much faster on meegoCE", "battery life on meegoCE 2 times that of fremantle despite two times the IM" etc Jul 04 09:52:02 DocScrutinizer, as I said, it's not quite there yet. emphasis on YET Jul 04 09:52:28 <[DarkGUNMAN]> microb needs to be ported/pakaged for meego ce Jul 04 09:52:42 I don't give a flying F* on promises for the future, we've seen too many of them getting broken Jul 04 09:53:40 and microB never will run on meegoCE as it's one of the many closed blobs of fremantle that are the main reason I hate and I use it Jul 04 09:54:43 so yes, maybe some day we can all switch to meegoCE seamlessly - if and only if jonwil does a HELL of a job and REs ALL of those blobs Jul 04 09:55:03 look at how MeeGo on N900 was a year ago (basically a bootable terminal) and where it is now (hardware accelerated UX, etc.) Jul 04 09:55:22 I still don't care Jul 04 09:55:44 not asking you to care :) Jul 04 09:55:46 a nice PoC, not really much more Jul 04 09:56:06 Fox News tweets hacked to show Obama death stories Jul 04 09:56:12 Mhm. Jul 04 09:56:58 finns are too humble Jul 04 09:57:08 and comparing where meego is after TWELFE months, and comparing that to where it needs to get to, to make me consider trading fremantle in for it, I gather my 2 N900 are broken at that point of time Jul 04 09:57:19 They did epic work with maemo Jul 04 10:00:56 It was not open enough Jul 04 10:01:08 any of you guys have python (and its little deps installed) but not from extras-{devel,testing}? I just need the versions of the python2.5 Jul 04 10:01:43 what makes microb better than say fennec or whatever the open source gecko mobile browser is? Jul 04 10:01:50 its still gecko under the hook Jul 04 10:01:56 hood Jul 04 10:02:00 Venemo: I've seen similar projects, the continue to reach for consumer readiness since 2+ years, and meanwhile the userbase as well as the number of developers are drastically diminishing Jul 04 10:02:12 microb is a lot lighter to boot compared to fennec Jul 04 10:02:18 ok Jul 04 10:02:23 fennec is very slow&laggy Jul 04 10:02:37 * ruskie wants to see eve on the n900 Jul 04 10:02:43 ruskie, EVE? Jul 04 10:02:53 http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eve Jul 04 10:03:06 fennec lack those "finger gestures" you can zoom in and out using your fingers Jul 04 10:03:31 jonwil: the integration into the system and GUI, the flash Jul 04 10:03:43 eh... i still wouldnt use meego CE as a daily system Jul 04 10:03:44 ruskie, ah. I thought you were referring to EVE Jul 04 10:03:48 **** YES! I finally got a *working* on-n900 BM terminal! Jul 04 10:03:52 <[DarkGUNMAN]> true.. microb always appealled to me sice it can run some desktop firefox plugins Jul 04 10:04:03 robbiethe1st: :-))) Jul 04 10:04:11 what is bm terminal robbie? Jul 04 10:04:23 <[DarkGUNMAN]> what he said Jul 04 10:04:29 microb appeals to me because it is the only browser on n900 that doesnt run like s**t Jul 04 10:04:29 BackupMenu Jul 04 10:04:52 Venemo, I need to look into getting some packages built for it etc... will see what I can get but I'm not that good at making deb packages Jul 04 10:04:54 also, love the task switcher integration Jul 04 10:05:14 I'm planing on running it on my eeepc 701 Jul 04 10:05:15 So, I managed to get a proper rescue terminal built in; Backupmenu's designed to run in the pre-boot environment, so this means that *most* "brickings" can be fixed on-device now, without any PC needed Jul 04 10:05:28 Robbie what does that allow you to do that osso-xterm does not? Jul 04 10:05:31 some could be solved before with a restore, now they can be fixed. Jul 04 10:05:32 robbiethe1st : do we have mtd and ubifs utils? Jul 04 10:05:45 Thanks Jul 04 10:06:00 robbiethe1st, frankly making a custom root fiasco and emmc fiasco images sounds like a better plan Jul 04 10:06:01 Hurrian: Sort of. If nothing else, you can always mount the rootfs, copy over whatever you need, and run it. Jul 04 10:06:04 ruskie, to me, EVE is the game EVE Online :) Jul 04 10:06:07 Venemo, hehe Jul 04 10:06:12 ok, let's do another F5 hitting madness Jul 04 10:06:26 ruskie: erm... I don't get you. Jul 04 10:06:50 robbiethe1st, you can make your own fiasco images to reflash once it bricks ;) Jul 04 10:06:58 If you flash the rootfs, you've lost any settings/apps on it; and if you make it custom before you have the problem... well, that's basically the same thing I'm doing Jul 04 10:06:58 with everything you have on the device Jul 04 10:07:24 ruskie, it pains me to keep erasing and writing CMT software Jul 04 10:07:31 * robbiethe1st points to BackupMenu's backup function. Not quite flashable, but restorable. Jul 04 10:07:40 yes except the BM stuff isn't 100% usable sadly Jul 04 10:07:41 Hurrian: You *can* flash only certain things. Jul 04 10:07:45 why not? Jul 04 10:07:52 so does dd-ing to the mtd device Jul 04 10:08:20 I had to fix stuff using a bootable sd card with meego Jul 04 10:08:21 it still does that? Jul 04 10:08:24 so, imo rm -rf ing mtd5 and writing files back would be great Jul 04 10:08:25 Nope Jul 04 10:08:38 Mine now does it all at the file level. Jul 04 10:08:44 iirc the new backupmenu does that Jul 04 10:08:45 using... rm -rf and tar. Jul 04 10:08:56 since my brekages tend to be beyond BM help usually Jul 04 10:09:17 ruskie: You mean BM won't boot? Jul 04 10:09:32 oh btw, maemo experts, is it possible to recreate MTD partitions? Jul 04 10:09:35 Heh, the Irony of a developer device getting the N Series brand name :) Jul 04 10:09:53 Hurrian: Yes, I think so, why? Jul 04 10:09:56 iirc someone said that if mtd1 is wiped, the device needs a light swap Jul 04 10:10:14 heh, if you nuke mtd partitions you might be hosed Jul 04 10:10:29 robbiethe1st this should make mwn news Jul 04 10:10:46 I have my own /bootmenu.sh script that does stuff I need generally... Jul 04 10:10:59 Oh, Stskeeps - That reminds me. Would you please promote bootmenu? Jul 04 10:11:04 meh, lol >>When you connect the cable, the device switches on automatically and the magical flashing sequence starts.<< Jul 04 10:11:10 though I still need to do some cleaning about it Jul 04 10:11:19 stskeeps, what code does the ROM in the OMAP do? Jul 04 10:11:26 other than starting the N900 up Jul 04 10:13:14 if you wipe mtd1, i don't think even the fbus will fix it] Jul 04 10:14:08 We do have cold flashing Jul 04 10:14:20 i.e. bypassing *everything* and booting entirely off USB Jul 04 10:14:23 hmm a coworker got a samsung galaxy ace... and he couldn't get mass storage working... turns out the device had usb debugging console enabled... Jul 04 10:14:34 (well, chainloading anyway) Jul 04 10:15:37 Hurrian: fbus is nonsense Jul 04 10:15:50 Hurrian: fbus is for modem only Jul 04 10:16:03 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/04/eu_customer_cloud_data_may_be_handed_over_by_microsoft/ Jul 04 10:16:33 mtd partition restoring is feasible ONLY via coldflash, and I dunno if standard flasher-3.5 with standard COMBINED image will do that Jul 04 10:16:48 and if you wipe CAL you might be really hosed Jul 04 10:16:56 yep Jul 04 10:17:01 indeed Jul 04 10:17:25 it's completely unclear if NOLO boots up at all on a wiped CAL Jul 04 10:18:19 for obvious reasons *nobody* has tried it yet Jul 04 10:18:20 does anything run if mtd1 is wiped? probably if you fed the OMAP ROM with code Jul 04 10:18:40 that's called coldflsah Jul 04 10:18:50 and iirc the omap rom verifies everything fed to it Jul 04 10:19:01 yes Jul 04 10:19:06 so if nolo is bugged, U R FUKD Jul 04 10:19:15 so you feed it xloader from COMBINED Jul 04 10:19:22 Hurrian: NO Jul 04 10:19:31 Hurrian: stop spreading FUD Jul 04 10:19:35 ah Jul 04 10:19:59 no i meant if you wiped MTD1 and nolo failed to start, you cant do anything, as it's closed source, right? Jul 04 10:20:17 and if i'm getting it right, nolo does more than load kernel and boot it? Jul 04 10:20:18 what is closed source? CAL? Jul 04 10:20:29 it's closed data more or less Jul 04 10:20:30 no, nolo is closed Jul 04 10:21:04 whatever, you CAN restore NOLO Jul 04 10:21:14 you can NOT restore CAL Jul 04 10:21:30 as you don't have a backup of the data there Jul 04 10:21:51 yes, but i meant as in if NOLO had a bug that it doesnt start the system if you wiped CAL Jul 04 10:22:13 basically a what if scenario... aka speculation Jul 04 10:22:19 you'd be pretty stuck Jul 04 10:22:27 *maybe* coldflashing, on finding CAL destroyed, will replace it with a sane standard CAL dataset, but as mentioned above... you're free to test ;-P Jul 04 10:22:42 ...but then, MAC address is stored in CAL Jul 04 10:22:53 yes Jul 04 10:23:01 ser# Jul 04 10:23:10 and no, not planning on testing, as i cannot find another N900 in any other store in this city Jul 04 10:23:24 firstboot locale and keymap, whatnot else, RF settings etc pp Jul 04 10:24:34 robbiethe1st: great :-) Now you'll need to release 1.1 just 1 or 2 weeks after 1.0 - what a pity :-P Jul 04 10:24:43 Yea. :P Jul 04 10:25:38 Now, I just need to figure out how to unload the framebuffer module... Jul 04 10:26:33 <[DarkGUNMAN]> so does this mean appart from the functionality of backupmenu, there is a busybox terminal there as well? Jul 04 10:26:44 >>n the Windows environment, the USB autodetection and driver installation may cause trouble. Thus you may need to connect, wait for drivers, disconnect the cable, power off, and reconnect for several times.<< X-D Jul 04 10:27:30 robbiethe1st: forget it, you'll not boot to maemo from BM console Jul 04 10:28:03 not even mature PC linux does that, when entering init-S state Jul 04 10:28:23 quit emergency console == reboot Jul 04 10:28:42 [DarkGUNMAN]: Well, yes. There always *was* one(BM is a busybox script), and you could access one over USB-serial console but nothing you could interact with. Now, I've figured out a way to make a interactive terminal, so now you can actually use it on-device! Jul 04 10:28:54 DocScrutinizer: You mean a "continue boot" option? Jul 04 10:29:14 @DocScrutinizer : what the hell? does the N950 still use the hold u while plugged in to enter reflash mode? Jul 04 10:29:25 Now, I just need to figure out how to unload the framebuffer module... Jul 04 10:29:30 robbiethe1st: why? Jul 04 10:30:06 DocScrutinizer: Because any time I get a message on the console after I'm done with my terminal, it screws up any graphics drawn via Text2Screen Jul 04 10:30:16 Because, you know, it's overwriting the buffer... Jul 04 10:30:58 Hurrian: obviously not, as N950 is an N9 in disguise Jul 04 10:31:15 or N9 is N950 with keyboard chopped off Jul 04 10:31:22 in which case flashing N9 will be interesting Jul 04 10:31:54 ShadowJK: evidently not, see on-click-flasher options Jul 04 10:32:03 to handle the kbd-less mess Jul 04 10:32:12 Of course, seeing as the N900's flashable without pressing the 'u' key... Jul 04 10:32:47 what the f----- Jul 04 10:33:18 Hurrian: You just have to have the flasher util waiting with the N900 off, the plug in the USB. it'll boot, see the flasher and flash] Jul 04 10:33:33 did anyone at nokia notice that everytime you plug/unplug a usb device on windows, it restarts the usb stack for that port? Jul 04 10:33:50 the hold u to flash was a great idea Jul 04 10:33:50 robbiethe1st: I think BM is *loading* FB only for the case when you actually invoke it, i.e. when booting with slide open. BM has no way to boot to fremantle. FB is only loaded when you have to reboot afterwords - so why to unload it? Jul 04 10:34:08 nokia should probably do something similar for N9 - hold volume up to reflash Jul 04 10:35:10 Well, perhaps I should say differently: I need fbcon unloaded Jul 04 10:35:20 Hurrian: holding U does basically nothing for booting the N900, it still exposes all the same USB devices and your "stack" will still do all the same nonsense, no matter if you hold U or not Jul 04 10:35:47 Holding 'u' sticks it in update mode, otherwise it boots up Jul 04 10:35:52 Hurrian: holding U only disables USB timeout when NOLO looks for flasher-3.5 Jul 04 10:36:34 but NOLO still looks for flasher-3.5 even when not holding U, just it times out after 1s or sth, maybe after 10ms Jul 04 10:36:48 alterego: exactly Jul 04 10:37:00 isn't it the OMAP3 rather than NOLO? Jul 04 10:37:23 MohammadAG: check your syslog on PC Jul 04 10:37:26 since that's how cold flashing Jul 04 10:37:29 works Jul 04 10:37:40 MohammadAG: no :P Jul 04 10:37:43 you'll see ROMboot, NOLO, mass-storage Jul 04 10:37:51 MohammadAG: it's the first two stages of nolo that allow low level flashing Jul 04 10:37:55 not home, no PC around me, and even if there was one I don't have a cable Jul 04 10:37:59 Otherwise you'd have to use jtag Jul 04 10:38:07 alterego, nuke /dev/mtd0 Jul 04 10:38:12 No thanks .. Jul 04 10:38:21 heh Jul 04 10:38:32 cold flashing still works if you do that :p Jul 04 10:38:37 MohammadAG: why? Jul 04 10:38:52 MohammadAG, "nuke: command not found..." Jul 04 10:38:53 you can coldflash even without nuking mtd0 ;-P Jul 04 10:38:53 MohammadAG: well, you do it thien Jul 04 10:38:55 ~then .. Jul 04 10:38:58 if you feel like Jul 04 10:40:01 just make sure flasher-3.5 with coldboot options waits for device showing up - that device will be ROMboot, *always* Jul 04 10:40:20 Oh there's some ROM code too? Jul 04 10:40:59 ROMboot then loads xloader from flasher-3.5 to RAM, xloader in RAM loads NOLO to RAM from flasher-3.5, NOLO in ram will flash NOLO on mtd0 Jul 04 10:41:45 Oh, right Jul 04 10:41:59 I didn't know there was actually any _ROM_ in the N900 Jul 04 10:42:04 you can do that any time, no natter if mtd0 is nuked or if you hold down U key Jul 04 10:42:11 Okay Jul 04 10:42:46 it's simply how ROMboot works -ROMboot doesn't check for U key ;-P Jul 04 10:43:12 Indeed Jul 04 10:43:54 probably jacekowski will pop up in a minute and tell me where I've been wrong, but basically I'm right on this one Jul 04 10:44:21 ~coldflash Jul 04 10:44:21 from memory, coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing Jul 04 10:44:59 back to F5 hitting Jul 04 10:45:10 F5 hitting? Jul 04 10:50:43 * Sicelo just got his N900 Jul 04 10:50:46 :) Jul 04 10:50:58 \o/ Sicelo Jul 04 10:51:06 now i'll bug you people... Jul 04 10:51:24 Install a bunch of buggy apps, then complain! Jul 04 10:51:30 what more could we ask? Jul 04 10:51:48 already... what size is the update to PR1.3? Jul 04 10:51:54 i'll have to wget it Jul 04 10:53:33 ~flashing Jul 04 10:53:33 flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 04 10:53:41 Sicelo, ^ Jul 04 10:57:59 sicelo, rootfs is 195MB Jul 04 10:58:04 EMMC is ~256MB Jul 04 10:59:33 thanks :) Jul 04 10:59:34 my turn to bug you people Jul 04 10:59:48 is it possible to charge the N900 while not in Maemo? Jul 04 10:59:55 like the Symbian devices Jul 04 11:00:25 but it looks as if the symbian devices half-boot to symbian though Jul 04 11:00:29 so does maemo Jul 04 11:00:31 what do you mean? symbian can't be dualboot Jul 04 11:00:33 yeah Jul 04 11:00:49 under maemo (maemo 5 at least) its called: ACT_DEAD Jul 04 11:00:58 ah Jul 04 11:02:32 too bad my time with maemo will be so short Jul 04 11:02:43 as compared to my older nokia devices Jul 04 11:02:47 you selling it? Jul 04 11:02:50 nope Jul 04 11:03:02 bricking it? Jul 04 11:03:04 i meant, as in the device falling to hardware failures etc Jul 04 11:03:05 broken USB port? Jul 04 11:03:11 no, mines working fine Jul 04 11:03:21 then why short? Jul 04 11:03:34 i meant, it's my first and probably last maemo/meego device Jul 04 11:03:36 I mean do you expect a hardware failure or something? Jul 04 11:03:39 it isn't short, its just ongoing maintanence :) Jul 04 11:03:44 ruskie, inevitable ;) Jul 04 11:03:51 from? Jul 04 11:04:16 emmc & SOC failures Jul 04 11:04:27 alterego, I did Jul 04 11:04:40 (re MohammadAG: well, you do it thien) Jul 04 11:04:43 MohammadAG: sure, I didn't know about romboot Jul 04 11:04:51 wtf? emmc and SOC failures? that almost sounds like typical symptoms of oc woe Jul 04 11:04:54 MohammadAG: doesn't have anything to do with the OMAP though :P Jul 04 11:05:06 psycho_oreos: got who? Jul 04 11:05:13 alterego, so I wasn't wrong :P Jul 04 11:05:15 psycho_oreos - hardware fall damages etc Jul 04 11:05:26 knowing the bad QA of N900 assembly Jul 04 11:05:28 Err, isn't ROMboot on the SoC? Jul 04 11:05:39 MohammadAG: well, you were technically wrong, but functionally, no, erasing nolo shouldn't matter. Jul 04 11:05:39 i hardly OC over 750 Jul 04 11:05:42 alterego, Hurrian, but not saying that he did oc it :) just the issues sounds like it Jul 04 11:05:44 MohammadAG: no Jul 04 11:05:54 MohammadAG: well, it might be if the ROM is in the SoC Jul 04 11:06:00 Hurrian, ahh heh that'll be inevitable for sure Jul 04 11:06:10 even then, i only OC when i'm going to crap the processor at 100% Jul 04 11:06:24 MohammadAG: but it's a program that runs and isn't a standard OMAP thing, it's a Nokia thing. Jul 04 11:06:28 * ruskie doesn't OC... simply doesn't make any sense Jul 04 11:06:35 I need reliability not insane performance Jul 04 11:06:40 +1 Jul 04 11:06:44 ruskie: agreed, little gain .. Jul 04 11:06:49 And so much loss :) Jul 04 11:06:52 much to lose Jul 04 11:07:08 alterego, someone mentioned it was standard, I could be wrong though Jul 04 11:07:10 ruskie, only causes me occasional 32wd_to's when my voltage is too low, in addition to SR VDD1&2 being on Jul 04 11:07:18 oh, +WSEGL_HWSync Jul 04 11:07:20 =1 Jul 04 11:07:57 i deffo wouldn't do 1150-1150 Jul 04 11:08:00 when people mention wanting to overclock their N900 I think of this: http://www.supraforums.com.au/forum/attachments/projects/42836d1286486353-projects-vtec_yo.jpg :) Jul 04 11:08:19 that would cause massive SOC damage within months Jul 04 11:08:44 even worse, fried CPU, rendering the phone/NIT useless Jul 04 11:09:09 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68795 Jul 04 11:09:46 which one consumes more power? EDGE or Wi-Fi? Jul 04 11:09:55 GSM radio Jul 04 11:10:05 mhm Jul 04 11:10:27 btw is there no other way to get product ID without taking out the battery? Jul 04 11:10:38 it's on the box Jul 04 11:10:38 Product ID? Jul 04 11:10:44 also *#0000# Jul 04 11:10:47 teh imei Jul 04 11:10:58 *#06# is the IMEI Jul 04 11:11:05 woops Jul 04 11:11:16 Hurrian, *#0000# is sw version Jul 04 11:11:18 settings / about has imei too i believe? Jul 04 11:11:44 dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei | grep string | cut -f 2 -d '"' Jul 04 11:11:46 over ssh Jul 04 11:11:50 And it's in "Settings->PRoduct Info" Jul 04 11:11:51 product id, for the firmware download Jul 04 11:11:54 trx, yes Jul 04 11:12:15 oh gosh..indeed..it is imei Jul 04 11:12:19 it's not the product ID Jul 04 11:12:30 its also available through osso-product-info Jul 04 11:12:49 sure about that? Jul 04 11:12:55 I don't recall it being there Jul 04 11:13:00 err imei isn't available through osso-product-info but for other stuff in regards to *#0000# it is Jul 04 11:13:26 that's was what I was meant to say (in other words I hit the enter too quickly ;)) Jul 04 11:13:51 hmm, wonder why nokia asks for imei on tablets-dev while the N950 image is free to download Jul 04 11:14:51 N950 is a dev only device, I don't think nokia would care too much about it. Though I think its to verify if you genuinely own N900 I suppose. If you had a look at other NIT devices, the firmware links require you to input wlan mac Jul 04 11:15:34 Of course, it works with a fake imei too... Jul 04 11:15:51 just google for an appropriate imei number, change it slightly, ???, profit! Jul 04 11:16:26 better yet, a somewhat well crafted google query would yield a valid N900 imei from nokia's support site Jul 04 11:21:47 meh! I'm so sad. there is an N950 at Nokia HQ which is eagerly awaiting to be sent to me. and yet, they haven't even approved anyone on launchpad yet... Jul 04 11:22:22 those little N950s are so lonely without us :( Jul 04 11:26:36 waiting for a launch window to open, I suppose Jul 04 11:30:39 Venemo: exactly, I dont know why they wont just send it over to us :( Jul 04 11:31:18 Finland is closed for summer vacation. Jul 04 11:31:29 In July everybody is gone. Jul 04 11:31:48 psycho_oreos , with all the crud nokia's put into maemo, the imei check's pretty redundant ;) Jul 04 11:31:55 X-Fade: for how long? Jul 04 11:32:04 July Jul 04 11:32:15 X-Fade: all of july? Jul 04 11:32:25 Hurrian, or any sort of device ownership in order to obtain firmwares is redundant for that matter ;) Jul 04 11:32:37 Yep, most people tend to be off until August. Jul 04 11:34:20 hmm, before coming into #maemo , i didn't realize that the OneNAND was literally on top of the OMAP3430 SOC, and wasn't just a term in the SVC Manual LV3-4. Jul 04 11:34:51 Package on Package Jul 04 11:34:56 onenand + RAM Jul 04 11:35:02 this somewhat also explains why there a deadline for applying n9 devkit through by being a proper Qt app developer is towards end of July. Must be for them to have a stockpile of work to sift through ;) Jul 04 11:35:29 * lardman wonders if the summer vacation is the cause of the Launchpad delays Jul 04 11:36:10 ah I see someone else has thought the same thing Jul 04 11:36:51 who me? Jul 04 11:36:59 psycho_oreos: me :P Jul 04 11:37:04 ahh Jul 04 11:37:41 Then why would the meego.com DDP deadline be set ahead :/ Jul 04 11:37:46 was about to say, there's three possible ways one can obtain n9 devkit, the oss is closed so that leaves two other open choices :) Jul 04 11:37:55 well if this was known, there should have been more time for the apps Jul 04 11:38:04 s/apps/applications to be submitted/ Jul 04 11:38:04 hiemanshu meant: well if this was known, there should have been more time for the applications to be submitted Jul 04 11:38:07 like I said, probably for the pile of paperwork left for them when they come back ;) Jul 04 11:38:25 Just saying that there are less people available during vacation, might explain any delays. Jul 04 11:38:37 Pretty sure that someone will be there to go through them. Jul 04 11:38:37 Or not, it's better if it's quick because if it's just Quim and Texrat looking through the applications having 1k plus would be murder Jul 04 11:38:44 I'm guessing it could be you guys would be first in priority to get it when they come back Jul 04 11:38:50 They went slightly over with the 600 or so applications. Jul 04 11:39:09 Yeah, probably. Jul 04 11:39:27 It is the single largest sub programme for launchpad. Jul 04 11:39:41 The ambassador programme is only like 30 or 40 devices. Jul 04 11:39:44 but Jaffa got his :( Jul 04 11:39:56 hiemanshu: not yet July :D Jul 04 11:40:03 hiemanshu: he already had an account Jul 04 11:40:05 hiemanshu: yeah, but he already had a verified launchpad account Jul 04 11:40:11 * hiemanshu shoots Jaffa in the head, and shouts 'HEADSHOT' Jul 04 11:40:26 X-Fade: 4th of July today :P Jul 04 11:40:46 hiemanshu: .fi doesn't care about that :) Jul 04 11:40:57 X-Fade: ah Jul 04 11:42:44 alterego: lets hope what you said is true and we all get an email by wednesday :) Jul 04 11:43:10 That's what I'm hoping, I'd like to be able to play with it this weekend :) Jul 04 11:43:11 But meh. Jul 04 11:46:03 yeah, I have patched my email alerter to play 'I feel good' whenever I get an email from @nokia with N950 or Launchpad in the subject Jul 04 11:47:16 I remember GAN900 did something similar Jul 04 11:47:35 Nice! I've got 606+ installs of BM 1.0-RC1 in the last three days. Jul 04 11:47:36 Heh Jul 04 11:48:52 I have to say, creating that web-based 'readme' that opens on install was a stroke of genius! I forget exactly who gave me that idea. Jul 04 11:49:05 robbiethe1st, where does backupmenu hook into now? bootmenu.sh? Jul 04 11:49:25 i previously used backupmenu with multiboot, and it's not a very pretty solution Jul 04 11:49:45 Yea. We have bootmenu.sh -> /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item -> my loader script -> main bm script Jul 04 12:34:22 ( MohammadAG: but it's a program that runs and isn't a standard OMAP thing, it's a Nokia thing.) No, it's OMAP standard, and it's in SoC Jul 04 12:38:28 DocScrutinizer: ah, thanks for informing me :) Jul 04 12:38:31 ah, i think he meant the code was nokia-specific Jul 04 12:38:33 * alterego stands corrected :) Jul 04 12:38:58 or does the "download code from USB" ootb omap standard? Jul 04 12:39:19 if so, we can just freely replace said part then Jul 04 12:39:29 ...in case of SoC damage Jul 04 12:46:19 the SoC ROM BL is standard for all OMAP. The rootkey this little sucker uses to verify signature of xloader probably is Nokia's Jul 04 12:48:33 you probably *could* replace by a chip that has HS aka signature checking disabled, and it would run just as well. But you can't use xloader of COMBINED img with a HS enabled OMAP that has a different rootkey other than Nokia's Jul 04 12:49:19 you could however use xloader that comes with that chip, if it's identical in functionality to the one in COMBINED - which most probably is the case Jul 04 12:49:37 that's roughly how they rooted some droids Jul 04 12:51:31 they replaced the signature checking 1st stage xloader BL by another one that didn't check signature, so they were able to use their own 2nd stage BL (called NOLO on N900) Jul 04 12:56:30 http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project Jul 04 12:56:41 if you're interested in details Jul 04 12:59:38 btw this page also has a hint about why uSD is mmcblk0 aka first mmc controller on boot Jul 04 13:10:39 http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started :-D Jul 04 13:12:05 Hello Jul 04 13:12:08 Hi. I have MeeGo installed on my SD card. However, I don't want it to start per default (w/uboot), but still want it available. Does uboot place a configure file somewhere for which order it tries to run commands, or is it decided at compile time? Jul 04 13:12:42 I just wonder if i can switch places of "run mmcboot" and "run noloboot" Jul 04 13:12:43 or if I need to recompile it for that Jul 04 13:18:46 doh.. Nokia 9300i can't sync with N900 via BT Jul 04 13:18:53 FIQ|n900: the file is somewhere on your SD card Jul 04 13:20:05 hmhm, uboot-pr13 does that, so I'm not sure its config is on the sd card Jul 04 13:20:23 in uboot lingo that's the 'environment' Jul 04 13:20:35 dunno if the n900 uboot has save env functionality Jul 04 13:20:48 let me try Jul 04 13:22:03 hmm saveenv does _something_ Jul 04 13:22:19 and it claims to save to OneNAND Jul 04 13:22:40 FIQ|n900: printenv, saveenv and the u-boot docs are your friends Jul 04 13:27:42 my god MCE does a lot more with the power key in Fremantle than in MeeGo Jul 04 13:29:01 indeed Jul 04 13:29:31 comming up with a powerkey.c that matches Fremantle is going to be annoying Jul 04 13:30:09 or maybe not, things are lining up now Jul 04 13:30:13 dm8tbr: N900 uBoot has no "env", it reads a file from uSD instead afaik Jul 04 13:30:35 DocScrutinizer: I just tried :) Jul 04 13:30:56 ali1234: any comments? Jul 04 13:31:36 I *bet* there's a page on meego wiki about it Jul 04 13:31:41 when it's loaded from uSD then it also usually has the env storage as a file in the same location as the uboot.bin Jul 04 13:31:53 yes Jul 04 13:33:11 on the n900 it is stored instead of the kernel in nand, so there should be also plenty of space to store the env block Jul 04 13:33:22 or did I misunderstand something? Jul 04 13:34:47 DocScrutinizer that is correct Jul 04 13:35:17 unless somebody fixed it there is no way to saveenv (it just "saves" it in ram Jul 04 13:35:55 this is because u-boot doesn't know how to read or write the nand (it relies on nolo to load everything from nand into ram including the apended kernel image) Jul 04 13:38:18 No news about launchpad ? Jul 04 13:38:23 nope Jul 04 13:38:33 ali1234: thanks Jul 04 13:38:33 :( Jul 04 13:38:46 thx for the info Jul 04 13:40:32 I think my efforts to create some code for Fremantle MCE is going to stall somewhere around powerkey.c :( Jul 04 13:41:25 ali1234: I gather uBoot will boot directly to the kernel that's in RAM then, if there's no such file on uSD Jul 04 13:41:55 jonwil: eeeek Jul 04 13:43:17 that is the fallback, yes Jul 04 13:43:23 jonwil: not to mention lockcode ;-P Jul 04 13:43:39 yeah tklock.c is going to be the most annoying Jul 04 13:43:49 since I really want to know what tklock,c on Fremantle does Jul 04 13:43:58 tklock is not the lockcode I referred to Jul 04 13:44:15 tklock is just the lockslider switch Jul 04 13:44:21 look at the old leaked mce for n8x0 maybe Jul 04 13:44:23 plus related stuff Jul 04 13:44:46 old leaked mce for n8x0? Where do I get this? Jul 04 13:44:48 :P Jul 04 13:44:51 Stskeeps: thanks :-D Jul 04 13:44:58 rtcomm Jul 04 13:45:06 rtcomm is? Jul 04 13:45:43 mxr->diablo? Jul 04 13:46:46 well tklock is the bit I care about right now Jul 04 13:47:00 so the new lock screen can replace the existing tklock systemui plugin Jul 04 13:50:39 repository.maemo.org/rtcomm/pool/diablo/free/source/m/ Jul 04 13:52:04 Stskeeps: I'm sure you know this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1nvwLpvHW0 (gfx-accel on zoom2) Jul 04 13:52:32 When I compile on my host machine for x86 and when I compile under scratchbox for ARMEL Harmattan my program goes fine but when I compile it under scratchbox for x86 Harmattan I get a floating point/arithmetic exception :\ Jul 04 13:52:46 damn, uploaded 16.12.2009 Jul 04 13:52:47 DocScrutinizer: i do Jul 04 13:53:12 DocScrutinizer: what about it? Jul 04 13:53:26 just thought about opensource accel Jul 04 13:53:42 iirc you looked into that Jul 04 13:53:53 open source sgx? nah Jul 04 13:53:56 gdb shows process 2560 is executing new program: /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ld-2.3.2.so Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. 0x001115d1 in ?? () Jul 04 13:53:56 so FYI Jul 04 13:54:10 we reused maemo libs on there Jul 04 13:54:19 Do we need to have it compile for x86 to make it into the repo? :p Jul 04 13:58:25 hmmm, that mce code doesn't help so much, there is too much difference between the hardware' Jul 04 13:58:44 Urgh, waiting for launchpad emails, need to occupy myself with something Jul 04 13:58:47 * alterego does some washing up Jul 04 13:58:58 Then more work, then, hrm, dinner I guess. Jul 04 14:00:27 Anyone have a clue why I would get a floating point exception on x86 Harmattan but not on my host or ARMEL Harmattan? Bad toolchain? Jul 04 14:01:49 so we have code for Maemo4 MCE (Diablo) and Maemo6 MCE (Harmattan) but not the one we really need (Maemo5) :( Jul 04 14:04:33 And from the sounds of the last comment in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11794, no amount of justification would get Nokia to open source it... Jul 04 14:04:35 04Bug 11794: Open Fremantle's MCE Jul 04 14:06:03 jonwil: If you go to one of the earliest revisions in gitorious, is it closer to fremantle's? Jul 04 14:06:06 Termana, well, what's the numeric calculation that gives sigfpe? Jul 04 14:06:29 I went to the earliest MeeGo git revision Jul 04 14:06:39 and that's the one I am referencing Jul 04 14:07:02 jonwil: Ah Jul 04 14:07:37 Termana, check values of both on both archs :P Jul 04 14:08:05 ~curse the Samsung N140's wifi chipset for just not wanting to work most of the time Jul 04 14:08:06 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, the Samsung N140's wifi chipset for just not wanting to work most of the time ! Jul 04 14:08:46 so basically any further work to come up with usable source for the Fremantle MCE binary is pointless Jul 04 14:08:53 I can however work on the various mce plugins/modules Jul 04 14:08:56 lardman: its samsung, what do you expect :P Jul 04 14:09:10 jonwil: we patch mce on meego n900 btw Jul 04 14:09:16 jonwil: maybe something you can use Jul 04 14:09:21 ShadowJK, how am I suppose to know what calculation is causing the problem? There are lots of calculations being done in the program and gdb and strace don't show anything useful Jul 04 14:09:28 where do you patch it? Jul 04 14:09:29 hiemanshu: true Jul 04 14:09:31 gdb? Jul 04 14:09:53 I have all the mce source code that I can find including MeeGo and Harmattan and now Diablo Jul 04 14:10:03 just not the one I need :P Jul 04 14:10:05 :( Jul 04 14:10:19 jonwil: various areas, but build.pub.meego.com Project:DE:Trunk mce or build.meego.com MeeGo:1.2:oss mce Jul 04 14:10:26 lardman, heh, mine doesn't work with wpa2/aes unless first connecting to a wpa2/tkip ap... after that everything and anything works Jul 04 14:10:29 ShadowJK, I'm not sure if your asking why I'm using gdb or suggesting gdb - but if you are suggesting I use gdb, I already stated I am and it's not showing anything useful Jul 04 14:10:49 Termana, it doesn't show where it crashes? Jul 04 14:10:57 gdb shows process 2560 is executing new program: /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ld-2.3.2.so Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. 0x001115d1 in ?? () Jul 04 14:11:03 that's all it says ^^ Jul 04 14:11:15 ShadowJK: I've noticed something similar, though for me often rebooting gets it to work - the wonders of Linux ;) Jul 04 14:12:26 nope, those patches dont look like they will help Jul 04 14:12:55 lardman, mine does it in windows Jul 04 14:13:11 under Windows it worked perfectly for me tbh Jul 04 14:15:15 so yeah forget about making code changes to Fremantle MCE ever Jul 04 14:24:07 hi all, I just got my n900 back from RMA and I'm trying to restore my backup. but the backup-application doesn't see thy backups folder I put in the home-directory Jul 04 14:25:34 dreamer: 'backups' goes in /home/user/MyDocs Jul 04 14:25:45 dreamer: And grrr at you getting an N900 back. I got an N8 :-( Jul 04 14:26:13 Jaffa: you got an upgrade, be happy :P Jul 04 14:26:43 hiemanshu: So they say... Jul 04 14:27:00 Jaffa: hehe Jul 04 14:27:10 Jaffa: hmm, the dir is there Jul 04 14:27:11 hiemanshu: Although the N950 does count as an upgrade, I guess Jul 04 14:27:23 I hope all the rest of you get them soon so I can have some moar appz Jul 04 14:27:27 Jaffa: I dont know how its an upgrade, not even by versioning number :P Jul 04 14:27:36 Jaffa: oh well, just send me yours :P Jul 04 14:28:11 Jaffa: you know, I am getting ready to hire some hitmen for you :P Jul 04 14:28:23 what should the permissions on backups/ be? Jul 04 14:29:06 well it's 777 now anyway Jul 04 14:29:25 and it contains 4 zips and a .metadata Jul 04 14:30:29 dreamer: ISTR, it's actually something like /home/user/MyDocs/Backups/backups/backup-001/... in total? Jul 04 14:30:58 oh, no it's /home/user/MyDocs/backups/*zip Jul 04 14:32:06 Calling the N8 an "upgrade" from a N900 is like calling a Ford Focus an "upgrade" from a Ford Mustang Jul 04 14:32:17 heh Jul 04 14:33:46 jonwil: haha :) Jul 04 14:34:47 jonwil: comparing ford to nokia is like comparing bacon to milk :P Jul 04 14:38:14 anyone got a launchpad email yet? Jul 04 14:38:30 nop Jul 04 14:39:05 Jaffa: I put the dir where you said ( /home/user/MyDocs/Backups/backups/backup-001/ ) but the app still doesn't see it Jul 04 14:40:03 Jaffa: re Proximus, do you think there will be any conditions that cannot be signalled somehow? I.e. things that will need to be polled for? Jul 04 14:40:19 anyone else too, the floor is open Jul 04 14:40:47 MohammadAG: we wish Jul 04 14:42:49 bah, that Diablo MCE code doesnt have the tklock-dbus-names.h file which would have helped me Jul 04 14:43:12 basically this is important because it will affect how the condition class objects need to be arranged, whether they can be setup to handle their own callbacks and trigger a state change, or whether a manager class is required (which will be the case for time duration conditions, probably) Jul 04 14:43:35 jonwil: uh.. isnt that in mce-dev? Jul 04 14:43:35 jonwil: Heh, I used to work at Ford. And have had further job offers from both Ford & Nokia. Jul 04 14:43:44 nope, its not in mce-dev Jul 04 14:43:46 :( Jul 04 14:43:57 if it was, I wouldn't need to reverse engineer things Jul 04 14:44:00 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/mce-dev/dbus-names_8h.html Jul 04 14:44:07 thats not the same header file Jul 04 14:44:23 tklock-dbus-names.h has the info about how mce talks to systemui for the tklock plugin Jul 04 14:44:25 lardman: I think everything can be pushed, but a timer adapter might take a notification class/plugin thing and trigger it automatically based on time (i.e. adapter pattern) Jul 04 14:44:29 which is the bit I care about Jul 04 14:44:30 thanks Stskeeps Jul 04 14:44:31 :) Jul 04 14:44:55 lardman: So, for the point of view of all actual triggers, they're push. But there might be a common timer engine which generates "push" events? Jul 04 14:45:05 lardman: Not sure though Jul 04 14:45:29 Jaffa: depends how expensive timers are, my feeling is not very, in which case I may as well run a timer per condition Jul 04 14:46:00 so anyone have an idea why I can't restore my backup? Jul 04 14:46:01 jonwil: cant you suss that from dbus? Jul 04 14:46:19 I am trying to figure out the tklock_close and tklock_open dbus calls Jul 04 14:46:20 lardman: True. There may be advantage in fuzzing the times slightly to get them aligned. Jul 04 14:46:21 once the start of the time duration condition occurs, you then need to start another timer to trigger the change of state at the end, hence the thought of using a manager for that, but it's simple enough that it could all sit in the condition class itself Jul 04 14:46:34 lardman: and/or make it hard for something to define a timer which has to go off every second Jul 04 14:46:57 lardman: I'm easy on it. I suspect polling will be needed in a lot of cases, so maybe it's a core concept. Jul 04 14:47:05 Jaffa: in the former case that's more complicated, might be worth getting something started straight away; in the latter case that would be for the parser to decide Jul 04 14:47:12 I know what tklock_close and tklock_open look like but I dont know what the numbers mean Jul 04 14:47:16 lardman: Aye Jul 04 14:47:23 tklock_close takes one bool and I dont know what it does Jul 04 14:47:52 Jaffa: that's the thing, if polling is required, then I need to be very tricky with what I do; location is one where as the location changes (offline cell id) different things need to be done transparently, hence a manager Jul 04 14:47:59 Jaffa: what did you get in the devkit box? Jul 04 14:48:09 alterego: Box, quick start guide, N950, USB cable Jul 04 14:48:10 (or is there a link to the itenarary? Jul 04 14:48:17 Ah, so no charger? Jul 04 14:48:21 Nope Jul 04 14:48:31 Heh, really minimal then Jul 04 14:49:00 Jaffa: e.g. if a given event tree has some events that require polling, and some that are "push", then the tree will need to be inspected at creation time to check whether any of the polled conditions can themselves trigger the event, and if not they can be ignored until the whole tree is evaluated when one of the "push" events occurs Jul 04 14:49:03 alterego: http://twitpic.com/photos/jaffa2 Jul 04 14:49:18 s/event/condition Jul 04 14:49:21 lardman: Hmm, true. Jul 04 14:49:24 * jonwil ads tklock_open and tklock_close to the long list of small items (mostly dbus things) that, if I had more info on them, would enable me to advance Fremantle in ways not seen before Jul 04 14:49:44 as event is the thing we want to happen when some number of conditions are true - might help to explain my terminology Jul 04 14:49:55 Jaffa: makes you wonder why they needed sugh a big box :P Jul 04 14:50:09 alterego: The quick start guide seems to have defined it! Jul 04 14:50:16 Heh Jul 04 14:50:18 Jaffa: is quite an interesting challenge that tree parsing stuff, and the location method handoffs Jul 04 14:50:58 Does the N950 have the same Camera as the N9? Jul 04 14:51:15 lardman: For each condition, it's known whether it's a push or timer event. As you say, when saving the tree, conditions are scanned and set up. As you say, if there's a mix, you can avoid polling unless the push notifications are met (depending on the operators) Jul 04 14:51:33 lardman: It is a proper interesting DSA/compsci problem, indeed. Jul 04 14:51:38 :) Jul 04 14:51:43 alterego: Similar, apparently. But different. Jul 04 14:51:51 lardman: Getting it right would be very cool Jul 04 14:51:57 Hrm, Jul 04 14:51:58 timer events are push too of course Jul 04 14:52:13 hence the question about any true polling events Jul 04 14:52:19 argh, conditions Jul 04 14:52:54 I guess stuff like headphone connection is broadcast over DBus so that also becomes a push condition Jul 04 14:56:31 lardman: Yup Jul 04 14:56:33 aarg, Backup keeps saying (no backups available) -_- Jul 04 14:56:41 is there another way to restore these? Jul 04 14:57:31 dreamer: Are you sure they are still on the device? You did copy them to your pc, did you? Jul 04 14:57:42 X-Fade: I copied them from my pc to the device Jul 04 14:57:55 dreamer: Correct folder? Jul 04 14:57:55 tried different folder names or hierarchies Jul 04 14:58:42 hmm wth, when I open the zips on my laptop they seem empty o.O Jul 04 14:59:16 ok that can't be, they have different sizes Jul 04 15:00:06 ok, squeeze opens them fine .. so yeah Jul 04 15:00:19 X-Fade: what would the correct folder be? Jul 04 15:00:53 Ok. So apparently you cannot run an application from the symlinked scratchbox folder. Jul 04 15:00:58 dreamer: Depends on where you look from. Jul 04 15:01:08 I tried /home/user/Mydocs/{Backups|backups|Backups/backups/backup-001}/ Jul 04 15:01:34 I moved it to the home folder, recompiled and its working now (well except the abort because it's trying to use pulseaudio, which it cant) Jul 04 15:03:17 dreamer: /home/user/MyDocs/backups/ Jul 04 15:03:24 dreamer: And then a folder for each backup. Jul 04 15:05:09 X-Fade: ok, sweet. finally working now :) Jul 04 15:05:35 * dreamer hopes everything is like it should be afterwards ;) Jul 04 15:05:37 bbl Jul 04 15:15:20 bah, I give up. I just cant work out what these dbus calls look like :( Jul 04 15:19:07 huh Jul 04 15:19:10 arent they similar on meego? Jul 04 15:19:12 i got accepted for n950 Jul 04 15:19:16 i mean, engineers are by definition lazy Jul 04 15:21:29 and no, the calls arent similar Jul 04 15:21:33 someone have already try import com.meego 1.0 on n900 ? Jul 04 15:21:34 because systemui is gone Jul 04 15:21:40 and replaced with something else Jul 04 15:21:48 or rather is done differently Jul 04 15:21:53 we still have meegotouch-systemui Jul 04 15:23:56 yeah but the way that mce talks to systemui for tklock is different Jul 04 15:24:21 ok Jul 04 15:25:23 Anyone know if libcellular-qt (Harmattan package) is open or closed? Jul 04 15:25:29 closed, afaik Jul 04 15:26:11 damn :( Jul 04 15:26:28 probably closed because opening it would expose all the DBUS calls into the closed cell stack Jul 04 15:30:13 hmmm, actually, http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-systemui/blobs/master/src/systemui/screenlock/screenlockbusinesslogic.h does help Jul 04 15:37:22 ouch ... harmattan qt quick component isn't available yet for n900 Jul 04 15:37:48 Nothing from Harmattan is available for N900 Jul 04 15:38:23 frals: ping Jul 04 15:38:38 khertan1: Forum^W Nokia Developer are porting it Jul 04 15:38:48 khertan1: well you'll have to use pure QML for the N900 for now Jul 04 15:38:54 aha, now I see the value its passing Jul 04 15:39:06 khertan1: And hopefully document the appropriate 'import' so that they aren't the only thing which differs between platforms Jul 04 15:39:48 khertan1: workijng on it for CE Jul 04 15:41:08 hiemanshu: thx Jul 04 15:41:12 Jaffa: thx Jul 04 15:41:45 * jonwil cant remember if enums in C start at 0 or 1... Jul 04 15:41:53 thx all Jul 04 15:41:54 bye Jul 04 15:42:23 zero Jul 04 15:46:43 "A bare-headed motorcyclist riding in protest of New York state's helmet law crashed, struck his head on the roadway and died from his injuries, state police said on Sunday." Jul 04 15:52:29 So he crashanddied? Jul 04 15:52:47 Tsk Jul 04 15:52:58 what should i put in "Reason to Apply" step in Launchpad registration? Jul 04 15:53:17 trx: meego ddp? Jul 04 15:53:21 anything specific? Jul 04 15:53:22 trx: "Told to by Quim Gil as part of N950 meego.com DDP" ? Jul 04 15:53:29 Jaffa thanks Jul 04 15:53:33 hiemanshu yes Jul 04 15:53:35 * Jaffa is just guessing Jul 04 15:53:44 But that seems to relay the pertinent info Jul 04 15:54:00 yeah Jul 04 15:54:22 ok, combining all the sources of information I have (including MeeGo MCE, diablo MCE, Harmattan MCE, reverse enginereed Fremantle MCE, meegotouch-systemui and everything else, I should soon be making a post to the mailing list explaining the interfaces you need so you can replace the tklock systemui plugin with a new one Jul 04 15:56:33 ok, so even the last list is out now Jul 04 15:58:50 * jonwil thinks it would have been better if the N950 had the same slider-type mechanism as the N900 rather than the flimsy-looking hinge it actually has Jul 04 15:59:19 btw, is there a set of N950 hardware specs out there anywhere? Jul 04 15:59:25 or N9 specs for that matter? Jul 04 16:02:01 jonwil: http://www.mobile.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9/ Jul 04 16:04:11 lol, http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n950-3997.php claims n950 has JAVA Jul 04 16:04:49 jonwil: you can install openjdk for it :P Jul 04 16:04:56 :P Jul 04 16:08:26 * GeneralAntilles chuckles at Brits calling "Yah! We got rid of the Amercans day" Jul 04 16:08:33 You guys fought awfully hard to keep us. :P Jul 04 16:09:06 GeneralAntilles: no disco lights yet? Jul 04 16:09:13 Not so far. :( Jul 04 16:09:47 GeneralAntilles: just to make you feel special ;) Jul 04 16:09:57 maybe now that the lists are done, we should all spam the thread with 'WHERE IZ MY LAUNCHPAD' Jul 04 16:10:38 Why do people gotta retweet their political tomfoolery. . . . Jul 04 16:12:16 * hiemanshu generates a meme Jul 04 16:12:53 GeneralAntilles, alterego : http://i.imgur.com/Z63Vn.png Jul 04 16:13:11 Why does it seem like all my N900 efforts keep ending up at dead ends Jul 04 16:13:30 jonwil: because the N900 is dead? Jul 04 16:13:33 * alterego chuckles Jul 04 16:14:15 GeneralAntilles: We may have fought at the time, but hindsight is 20/20 :-p Jul 04 16:14:38 GeneralAntilles: atleast we have common enemies :P Jul 04 16:14:43 Yeah, it's still looking like the right choice from over here. :P Jul 04 16:15:48 GeneralAntilles: lets team up and capture UK now Jul 04 16:16:04 hiemanshu, who would want it? Jul 04 16:16:59 GeneralAntilles: we can make it our dumping ground Jul 04 16:17:41 On a lighter note, do we want to bet what timezone the people in charge of the LaunchPad auths are in? Jul 04 16:17:59 we made a bet on .fi Jul 04 16:18:09 GeneralAntilles: Hey, our economy's (a bit) better than yours Jul 04 16:18:31 Jaffa: they have legal pot :P Jul 04 16:18:42 Jaffa, yeah, we're on the long, slow road to serfdom over here. Jul 04 16:20:53 wow. phones sure have eliminated the need for quite a few electronics Jul 04 16:21:24 no need for a digital cam, camcorder, or gps Jul 04 16:22:09 if someone does it right then there would be no need for a laptop anymore Jul 04 16:22:11 heh Jul 04 16:22:37 Well, dunno about eliminated. Jul 04 16:22:43 But reduced the necessity for most. Jul 04 16:22:59 That's what technology usually does, though. Improves efficiency. Jul 04 16:26:35 I'd like to see *someone* get through the Launchpad process; they should be able to get some people through quickly Jul 04 16:29:05 fiferboy: Yeah, I want some apps ;-) Jul 04 16:29:28 Annoyingly, one of the primary drivers for Hermes - the large avatar shown on incoming calls - is replaced with an 80x80 version of the avatar on Harmattan. Jul 04 16:29:35 Too minimalist Jul 04 16:31:21 Jaffa: Is that a limitation of the avatar stored on the device, or the call screen won't display a larger image? Jul 04 16:31:58 fiferboy: The call screen doesn't show it larger. I don't *think* it rescales Jul 04 16:32:55 Jaffa: Let me guess - the call screen code is not available? Jul 04 16:33:03 fiferboy: Nope Jul 04 16:34:22 Oh, Nokia Jul 04 16:34:26 You never learn Jul 04 16:35:35 I can't believe that they wouldn't be shipping updates for devs as frequently as possible. Jul 04 16:35:59 sod updates, what about the device ;) Jul 04 16:36:06 :) Jul 04 16:36:11 Given this is the group doing all it can (for free) to keep your platform from being completely irrelevant Jul 04 16:36:22 Heh Jul 04 16:36:24 lardman, well, I'm trying not to sound TOO selfish. Jul 04 16:36:31 lol Jul 04 16:37:06 At least they are (hopefully) getting a device out to devs before the commercial device Jul 04 16:37:33 Or: at least Jaffa got one - can't he fix everything? Jul 04 16:38:30 well DocScrutinizer has a launchpad account and he still hasn't got one Jul 04 16:38:49 yes, Jaffa could fix everything. Jul 04 16:38:56 If he had 5 years and a million dollar paycheck. Jul 04 16:39:04 Moo all Jul 04 16:41:15 Critics say that roundabouts are more difficult to navigate for unfamiliar American drivers, lead to higher taxes and accidents, and require everyday acts of spontaneous co-operation and yielding to others  acts that are 'un-American.'" Jul 04 16:41:23 (C)Slashdot Jul 04 16:41:30 lol Jul 04 16:41:35 yeah, saw that, absolutely ridiculous Jul 04 16:41:44 Hah Jul 04 16:41:47 They do suck though =) Jul 04 16:41:48 Oh and also: "British-style roundabouts"... Jul 04 16:41:53 * lardman heads for home to do some more Proximus work Jul 04 16:42:06 RST38h: no they don't suck, they are great fun when it's wet Jul 04 16:42:15 I mean, if there's any country that's entitled to getting the crown for creating the roundabout, it's France. Jul 04 16:42:19 There's one every 50 meters Jul 04 16:42:23 they even put them up for bikes... Jul 04 16:42:31 anyway, catch you chaps tomorrow, hopefully with emails too.... Jul 04 16:43:38 lardman: Dry ones are fun too Jul 04 16:44:48 Roundabouts are used fairly pointlessly here. Jul 04 16:45:08 What they usually end up turning into (thanks to incompetent drivers) are two-way stops. Jul 04 16:45:17 More orless, yes Jul 04 17:07:40 finally, we have people asking about launchpad on the thread, and nothing else to talk about, /me hopes for a reply now Jul 04 17:10:35 doing rounds in UK news today (but seems 9 months old news) time to port the new killer app for Maemo http://www.tacticalnav.com/ features: one-click airstrike function, with augmented reality targeting feature (no need for force-feedback handsets), quick someone patent it Jul 04 17:11:45 odin_: but we have no money to do that :( Jul 04 17:12:16 hiemanshu: Nokia's innovator network thing will patent things for you and give you some of the cash Jul 04 17:12:38 Jaffa: really? wow Jul 04 17:14:49 that was my attempt at humour with todays news article http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/13928538 "Getting shot at by Taliban fighters and need to call an air strike? There's an app for that." Jul 04 17:22:43 /msg Jul 04 17:33:06 http://twitter.com/#!/quimgil/status/87928692956872704 Jul 04 17:34:18 DocScrutinizer, cablefinder? Jul 04 17:36:04 GeneralAntilles: looks like quim cant do anything now, so we are pretty much screwed :/ Jul 04 17:36:17 hiemanshu, how do you mean? Jul 04 17:36:53 GeneralAntilles: well, if they haven't approved something from the last 4 months, the ones that applied recently will have to wait another 4 months Jul 04 17:37:12 Sure hope not. Jul 04 17:37:13 GeneralAntilles: so put the disco lights on hold and waiting for christmas :P Jul 04 17:37:19 s/waiting/wait Jul 04 17:37:26 That'd make the whole program rather . . . pointless. Jul 04 17:37:54 ah well, lets hope Jul 04 17:38:20 GeneralAntilles: oh and there are summer holidays Jul 04 17:38:46 Surely they've planned for this. Jul 04 17:38:56 Given it's Quim, I doubt it's going to be an issue. Jul 04 17:39:12 now, I am just starting to start insane :P Jul 04 17:39:17 s/start/sound Jul 04 17:39:39 * hiemanshu goes back to gsoc and php Jul 04 17:44:39 * MohammadAG just hopes it arrives before Monday Jul 04 17:44:46 which doesn't seem the case :) Jul 04 17:45:29 MohammadAG: you mean the first monday of 2012? Jul 04 17:45:37 MohammadAG: or the one after 21st dec 2012? Jul 04 17:45:47 no, I mean 11/7 Jul 04 17:46:13 11/7/2012 Jul 04 17:47:10 i can't log in in the damn wiki.meego.com Jul 04 17:47:21 any tips? Jul 04 17:47:31 log in on meego.com first Jul 04 17:47:33 hiemanshu, got a calendar? Jul 04 17:47:37 trx: log out of meego.com and re do it Jul 04 17:47:41 MohammadAG: what are those? :P Jul 04 17:47:43 i tried that Jul 04 17:47:47 like 20 times Jul 04 17:47:48 cause 11/7 isn't a Monday in 2012 Jul 04 17:47:50 cleared cookies Jul 04 17:47:52 etc Jul 04 17:47:57 still no luck :/ Jul 04 17:47:57 be smarter next time :P Jul 04 17:48:08 trx: you have to log out of meego.com, and then re-login via the wiki page Jul 04 17:48:10 tried FF and chrome Jul 04 17:48:11 trx: that should work Jul 04 17:48:24 hiemanshu tried that too :( Jul 04 17:48:31 MohammadAG: yo dawg, I heard you like dates, so I stole everyonez calendarz Jul 04 17:49:08 apparently you don't know how to use them :P Jul 04 17:49:40 MohammadAG: lol, well I just hope they do it before I move to my new place next month Jul 04 17:50:04 hiemanshu, going on holiday this month, i've already delayed it 5 days :P Jul 04 17:50:50 MohammadAG: maybe we can hire lulzsec to hack em, and approve our requests :P Jul 04 17:51:35 they can pull a sony and close the site for a month :p Jul 04 17:51:44 on a partially related note Jul 04 17:51:47 WTF is lulzsec Jul 04 17:52:10 MohammadAG: its a team of elite hackers aka script kiddies, trying to have fun Jul 04 17:53:34 I thought lulzsec dissolved? Jul 04 17:54:17 thats what they want everyone to think, they'll come back with another name Jul 04 17:54:32 or when they have found other scripts to hack Jul 04 18:08:40 k.4 Jul 04 18:23:24 back from glastonbury Jul 04 18:23:26 phew Jul 04 18:23:38 n900 lasted the entire week no problems Jul 04 18:23:47 with this lil 5000mah charger thing Jul 04 18:23:52 did i forget to mention how much i freaking love my n900? xD Jul 04 18:24:06 :) Jul 04 18:24:08 that panorama app is _very_ good Jul 04 18:24:20 took some epic pics Jul 04 18:25:01 my max time between charges is now 1 day, 20 hours :D Jul 04 18:25:01 fusi: Now that is just teasing :) Pics or it didn't happen :) Jul 04 18:25:07 hehe Jul 04 18:25:07 ~flashing Jul 04 18:25:09 flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 04 18:25:22 X-Fade: 2 secs Jul 04 18:25:48 btw, do i flash vanilla first or combined? Jul 04 18:26:05 Sicelo: the wiki has a page on that Jul 04 18:27:07 ok:/ Jul 04 18:27:10 So, who's gonna make wagers on launchpad emails tomorrow? Jul 04 18:27:19 I still think Wednesday Jul 04 18:27:21 Elop cancelled the program. Jul 04 18:27:28 what!? Jul 04 18:27:34 At bitch! Jul 04 18:27:39 that .. Jul 04 18:27:44 F'ing americans Jul 04 18:28:27 Meh, at least I should have an N8 to play with by the end of the week. Jul 04 18:28:40 GeneralAntilles: eh? Jul 04 18:28:45 Looking forward to playing with digi compass and accel stuff for columbus Jul 04 18:28:47 alterego: I say thursday Jul 04 18:28:55 hiemanshu: m'kay Jul 04 18:29:05 I say wednesday, or the end of next week :) Jul 04 18:29:14 I say they're already on their way Jul 04 18:30:02 I'd say they only had one and sent that one to Jaffa ;) Jul 04 18:30:10 Hah Jul 04 18:30:17 X-Fade: dont make me hate him more Jul 04 18:30:18 He's a bitch. Jul 04 18:30:24 * alterego chuckles Jul 04 18:30:37 X-Fade, (spit!) Jul 04 18:30:43 At least now we get get solid launchpad confirmations. Jul 04 18:30:46 I hate him enough to hire henchmen Jul 04 18:30:51 Elop is (IIRC) Canadian Jul 04 18:30:59 GeneralAntilles: Hey, shouldn't you be out and about getting druk or so? Jul 04 18:31:03 Yes, nothing good ever came out of Canada. Jul 04 18:31:13 X-Fade, sitting here watching the ball game with some friends. Jul 04 18:31:23 GeneralAntilles: You watching the Red Sox and Jays? Jul 04 18:31:25 GeneralAntilles: Must not be very good then :) Jul 04 18:31:28 Drank myself drunk Saturday night for a friend's going away party (Air Force). Jul 04 18:31:38 So I'm done with teh alcohol for the week. Jul 04 18:31:45 fiferboy, Twins and Rays, duh. Jul 04 18:31:48 Which makes the process easier next time .. Jul 04 18:31:58 Not that there will be a next time. Jul 04 18:32:39 alterego: You got a Launchpad confirmation? Jul 04 18:32:45 fiferboy: how we wish Jul 04 18:33:23 GeneralAntilles: yo :P Jul 04 18:33:27 so is SnapGo the final name? :P Jul 04 18:33:35 i noticed Doc put that on his wiki entry Jul 04 18:33:44 rm_you, not necessarily. Jul 04 18:33:47 so i added it too, i guess we can call that the working title? Jul 04 18:33:50 It's the name I've settled on for the time being. Jul 04 18:33:53 But I'm not attached. Jul 04 18:33:55 kk Jul 04 18:33:56 yeah Jul 04 18:33:58 working title it is Jul 04 18:34:13 fiferboy, stupid Sox. Jul 04 18:36:42 fiferboy: no, I'm just saying this ddp is a good foot in the door for those that might want to take advantage of it in the future. Jul 04 18:39:56 lcuk: hows the sleep patterns? :) :) Jul 04 18:42:06 http://www.sekaita.com/blog/glastonbury-2011 Jul 04 18:42:18 noobmonk3y, working apparently :P Jul 04 18:45:26 fusi: Cool shots :) Jul 04 18:45:48 lol MohammadAG :) Jul 04 18:45:48 fusi: Looks like you had great weather to go with it? Jul 04 18:45:53 got some more but my server is RLY slow :) Jul 04 18:45:57 mmmm sort of Jul 04 18:46:11 rained a lot first 2 days, then had blistering heat wave heh Jul 04 18:47:02 was hard walking round cos the mud turned to glue :) Jul 04 18:49:14 a few more days rest and ill start back on that twitter plugin Jul 04 18:49:19 hello guys, im looking for an application for my n900 device, which automatically answers via sms when i receive a sms with a certain "code" like 1234 - does something exist? Jul 04 18:49:47 try smscon Jul 04 18:51:03 time for a naughty cig Jul 04 18:51:05 o/ Jul 04 18:51:12 thanks Jul 04 18:53:06 Jaffa: Do you want to enable landscape home on your n950? Jul 04 18:53:45 cat /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/meegotouchhome/style/meegotouchhome.css Jul 04 18:53:46 MainWindowStyle { Jul 04 18:53:46 locked-orientation: ""; Jul 04 18:53:46 } Jul 04 18:54:01 Heh Jul 04 18:54:05 neat Jul 04 18:54:12 Put that to the file and home will start supporting landscape Jul 04 18:54:14 I need to check out the qml a bit more Jul 04 18:54:24 in harmattan Jul 04 18:54:58 I thought that's a nice thing somebody could do us all a favor and create a deb for it or something. Jul 04 18:55:30 konttori_work: Are third-party themes supported? Jul 04 18:55:53 fiferboy: Yeah, but there is no setting plugin for those. Jul 04 18:56:01 Somebody would need to package that Jul 04 18:56:06 * konttori_work is looking at community Jul 04 18:56:23 Lemme see if I can find the sources for it.... Jul 04 18:57:15 You can change themes just by setting a gconf key. Jul 04 18:57:16 * alterego can see a nice themes app for him to work on ... Jul 04 18:57:29 konttori_work: are themes planned? Jul 04 18:57:44 S'too bad. The guy who was gonna do the theme work didn't get a device. Jul 04 18:57:48 I.E a theme selector in settings? Jul 04 18:57:55 alterego: interesting question. I'm wondering about that every now and then. Jul 04 18:58:30 konttori_work: Don't see meegotouchhome dir in /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/ :( Jul 04 18:58:37 I'm interested to see how operators customise the UX .. Jul 04 18:58:42 X-Fade, base? Jul 04 18:58:43 X-Fade: I think you need to create it Jul 04 18:58:49 konttori_work: Ah. Jul 04 18:58:53 konttori_work: trying... Jul 04 18:59:05 blanco is inheriting base and overriding things from it. Jul 04 18:59:05 * dm8tbr idly ponders what will be the place on irc where people will discuss the n9/n950 in the future as 'maemo' is kind of politically incorrect Jul 04 18:59:22 So, base of course does contain it, and contains for that property the value:"Portrait" (or something) Jul 04 19:02:47 Here is the theme applet: http://meego.gitorious.net/meegotouch/meegotouch-controlpanelapplets/trees/master/src/themeapplet Jul 04 19:03:15 I suppose I could see if we (Nokia) would be ever so kind as to pull it in to some update release. Jul 04 19:03:26 I know 1.1 is out of the question, as it's coming so fast. Jul 04 19:03:31 But 1.2 could be conceivable. Jul 04 19:04:04 konttori_work: Hmm didn't work after reboot. Checking if I made a typo :) Jul 04 19:04:11 Anyway, it's a long time for pr1.2, so in the meanwhile, it would be great if somebody would package that. Jul 04 19:04:14 konttori_work: do you know anything about N950 updates? Like how long we can expect to see them? Jul 04 19:04:39 alterego: N9 flash works in N950 Jul 04 19:05:04 So, once the sales release (1.0) is made, then it's about a week or two until you'll get your hands on it. Jul 04 19:05:42 konttori_work, MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan 1.1? Jul 04 19:05:58 konttori_work, how likely is it the N950 will get an updated image before the N9 is out? Jul 04 19:06:07 very likely Jul 04 19:06:08 m'kay, what about a more updated dev image? I've heard a few people brick them and can't flash as the image on nokia dev is older .. Jul 04 19:06:17 Sweet Jul 04 19:06:54 * dm8tbr is happy to see the flasher is available now as separate download Jul 04 19:07:59 * X-Fade looks at icons in landscape :D Jul 04 19:08:23 :) Jul 04 19:08:39 X-Fade, wut? Jul 04 19:08:52 That's cool, so Harmattan home is a QML overlay Jul 04 19:08:52 konttori_work: 's trick worked. Jul 04 19:09:15 Oh, but on rotate it messes up rendering once. Jul 04 19:09:23 With a bit of poking we should be able to create custom home screens :) Jul 04 19:09:41 X-Fade: probably why it's disabled ;) Jul 04 19:09:44 Some icons move to other parts :) Jul 04 19:09:56 You need to scroll all the way up and down for it to reflow them. Jul 04 19:11:16 http://www.reddit.com/r/n900/comments/igbgu/warning_dont_return_your_n900_for_warranty_repair/ <--- wonder if that is jaffa Jul 04 19:13:33 There have been a few people who have had that happen to them. Jul 04 19:13:43 ah Jul 04 19:14:08 Yeah, I thinkk I was one of the lucky last few .. Jul 04 19:15:24 To get a repaired usb Jul 04 19:15:38 * alterego is gonna have to be extra careful now .. Jul 04 19:17:29 hello Jul 04 19:17:56 Mece: where is qlister?! Jul 04 19:18:16 I bought mine from amazon and send it back to them last month and got a complete new one. Jul 04 19:19:13 I like how the harmattan ui isn't scared of reduced margins due to the nice glass Jul 04 19:21:15 So if you want an N900 back, avoid nokia care centers. Jul 04 19:23:03 frals, where's my N950? Jul 04 19:23:19 Mece: ;< Jul 04 19:23:25 eating dust at the nokia HQ Jul 04 19:23:59 alterego, did you get your device already? Jul 04 19:26:08 Mece: nope, Jul 04 19:27:03 alterego, any word? (I've gotten nothing) Jul 04 19:29:26 * khertan is waiting launchpad Jul 04 19:30:15 khertan, me too.. Jul 04 19:31:15 * khertan think it s the case for everyone except for iznogood Jul 04 19:31:31 konttori_work: ooh, certainly interested Jul 04 19:31:35 (jaffa) ... Jul 04 19:31:39 hiemanshu: Not me, but it certainly sounds like it Jul 04 19:31:43 X-Fade: ah, good to hear that! What kind of reordering issues? Jul 04 19:31:47 Btw, konttori's hack also changes every other swipe panel :) Jul 04 19:32:04 konttori_work: It doesn't reflow the icons. Jul 04 19:32:27 konttori_work: So if you change orientations, you get gaps. Jul 04 19:32:35 * khertan is happy, he as successfully put a QTextEdit with QSyntaxHighlighting in a QML View :) Jul 04 19:32:42 khertan, there are a couple people who have LaunchPad accounts but no devices yet. Jul 04 19:32:45 So, we'll see. Jul 04 19:32:58 X-Fade: odd. Hmm.. I'll see what I can do about that. There is probably missing some .Landscape definition somewhere. Jul 04 19:33:02 yep ... w8 and see ;) Jul 04 19:33:18 * Jaffa would *love* to know how to not have his app auto-repaint as portrait in the task switcher, despite declaring an intention to have fixed landscape orientation Jul 04 19:33:30 konttori_work: Swiping to another view and coming back fixes it. Jul 04 19:33:38 konttori_work: So maybe just a missing redraw or so. Jul 04 19:34:04 Jaffa, where's your source? Jul 04 19:34:43 * khertan still don't know how to do the ui things to be able to open multiple file in KhtEditor, with only one window ... qml is limiting possibilities Jul 04 19:35:37 * khertan bet that harmattan qt component will be available before he get the n950 in his mailbox Jul 04 19:35:40 GeneralAntilles: gitorious Jul 04 19:35:51 * khertan bet that harmattan qt component for freemantle will be available before he get the n950 in his mailbox Jul 04 19:36:18 * khertan will probably experiment some gui concept now for KhtQmlEditor Jul 04 19:36:18 :) Jul 04 19:37:59 X-Fade: I'll test it in a while on current version. Jul 04 19:38:29 konttori_work: I'm testing it on the one with the curious version number jump :) Jul 04 19:38:53 Jaffa: alterego: If you are interested in harmattan themes, read this: http://wiki.meego.com/Theming_in_MeeGo_Touch Jul 04 19:38:55 * GeneralAntilles should probably learn git at some point. Jul 04 19:39:10 Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 854x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac +extension Composite & Jul 04 19:39:12 oups Jul 04 19:39:56 Heh Jul 04 19:40:09 Do you really type that in manually everytime? Jul 04 19:40:21 nope copy paste Jul 04 19:40:33 in fact ... select, middle click Jul 04 19:40:57 desktop shortcurts are lame? :D Jul 04 19:41:05 and it s should end up in the transpart gnome terminal Jul 04 19:41:25 where a vim was running writing a little script Jul 04 19:42:34 Jaffa: ping? :) Jul 04 19:43:09 I have a launche that does it Jul 04 19:43:40 OS X users, what's the name of the new project that's replacing Fink and MacPorts? Jul 04 19:44:04 This allows runtime change of theme: gconftool-2 -t string -s /meegotouch/theme/name base Jul 04 19:44:11 gconftool-2 -t string -s /meegotouch/theme/name blanco Jul 04 19:45:59 Homebrew. Jul 04 19:46:52 GeneralAntilles gentoo prefix :> Jul 04 19:48:34 Using the sdk did you get also coredump while using the mouse scroll wheel ? Jul 04 19:49:05 hi khertan Jul 04 19:49:10 hi cityLights Jul 04 19:50:39 odd but I found this odity Jul 04 19:51:17 if I add a sys.stdout.write the program does update the cellular readings Jul 04 19:51:22 other wise it doesnt Jul 04 19:52:01 now, the cellular readings I found are interesting Jul 04 20:03:14 X-Fade: the issue still happens on latest meegotouchhome Jul 04 20:03:22 I created a bug for it to internal bugzilla. Jul 04 20:03:32 konttori_work: Ok, cool. Jul 04 20:03:38 Well.. not so much, but still :) Jul 04 20:03:51 haha Jul 04 20:05:01 konttori_work: Any dates when the sdk update will come? one month? Jul 04 20:08:04 wazd: pong Jul 04 20:08:31 gri: I haven't really been following the SDK dates so carefully. I think in about 3 weeks time. Then you would also get a new flash image. Jul 04 20:08:47 But I could be totally wrong and don't quote me on that. Jul 04 20:15:12 wazd: Although I missed your MeeGoConf session, I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on Hermes UI having seen Harmattan's UX guidelines Jul 04 20:15:45 * RST38h heyas at waz Jul 04 20:15:46 d Jul 04 20:49:11 I bought a tool, a finish nailer Jul 04 20:49:17 http://tulilahti.fi/laatuvehje.jpg Jul 04 20:49:40 (not finnish nailer :) Jul 04 20:49:56 :) Jul 04 20:52:57 wtf is a "finish nailer"? Jul 04 20:53:19 ah .. google helps Jul 04 20:53:48 Jartza: and now using that to reattach the broken usb port? :) Jul 04 20:58:06 Jartza: a lot of people would prefer the finnish nailer :P Jul 04 20:58:08 * alterego contemplates getting a qt cert Jul 04 21:02:32 cehteh: haven't tried yet, but that's a good idea :) Jul 04 21:35:09 is there a way to lock the N900 when the keyboard is slide up or if the right toggle button is flicked (for display)? Jul 04 21:35:49 Atarii`: power button -> lock screen and keyboard Jul 04 21:36:26 is there a way to change functionality so it does that automatically? Jul 04 21:41:00 RST38h: have you seen http://static.bada.com/contents/tutorials/bada_SDK_1.2.0/badaTutorial.Fundamentals.pdf ? Jul 04 21:41:20 RST38h: seems that the Symbian guys are sharing some of their drugs with some koreans... Jul 04 21:43:30 is there a list of dbus scripts/functions anywhere? Jul 04 21:44:12 javispedro, page 10 so far and it seems sane Jul 04 21:44:21 ShadowJK: keep going Jul 04 21:44:50 ShadowJK: though on page 10 there's already the "Because data cannot be directly accessed, it is impossible for data Jul 04 21:44:50 to become corrupted, or to crash the device through data corruption" pearl. Jul 04 21:45:09 Wow, looks like they're ran out of N950s: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/MeeGo/#article2 Jul 04 21:45:22 they've ... Jul 04 21:45:40 alterego: bummer, I guess I was right when I was saying there was only one N950. Jul 04 21:45:45 ... and Jaffa got it ... Jul 04 21:45:56 Hahah, yeah :) Jul 04 21:46:08 The ownership policy bit I don't really understand, are they saying you can't have two pointers to same object? Jul 04 21:46:33 It makes me think though, that how much priority we as meego.com ddp acceptees get, if any. Jul 04 21:47:03 well, the one and only n950 owner got the maximum priority, the rest got zero. Jul 04 21:47:11 easy :D Jul 04 21:47:23 Or whether they just go through the whole stack and we're probably at the end of the stack (as we're mostly non-launchpad loaners) Jul 04 21:48:17 The fact that they have mutexes implies you can access an object created in thread 1 from thread 2. I don't think that was possible in symbian :-) Jul 04 21:48:48 Of course it's possible. Jul 04 21:51:56 javispedro, dunno, it seems relatively sane for a dumbbphone+1 platform Jul 04 21:52:00 much saner than symbian Jul 04 21:52:07 which is maybe dumbbphone+2 Jul 04 21:52:13 oh, that's for sure. Jul 04 21:52:25 but some of the quotes make me puke Jul 04 21:52:32 lol Jul 04 21:52:45 The stuff about data corruption being impossible stood out Jul 04 21:54:01 javispedro: TWO Jul 04 21:54:13 javispedro: there are two guys on the list who have got their n950s Jul 04 21:54:43 ShadowJK: Possible in Symbian, just not sure how predictable =) Jul 04 21:55:24 I'm sure it threw a descriptive error message, like "KERN-8" or whatever ;-( Jul 04 21:57:28 Jul 04 21:57:44 Man, I figured we'd've had these things shipped out by Friday. Jul 04 21:57:45 (well, now, when you mentioned Symbian, I expect nightmares again) Jul 04 21:57:47 and then there's that finland meetup "laureates" Jul 04 21:57:50 alterego: so we get no N950 :( :( :( Jul 04 21:58:21 GeneralAntilles: I figured I'd win a million bucks in the lottery Jul 04 21:58:48 hiemanshu: neah, they've just got more requests than devices, which is pretty neat. Jul 04 21:58:59 RST38h: think about some other platform before actual sleep, like, Win32s. Jul 04 21:59:18 alterego: yeah, I was expecting that, there are more geeks than devices :P Jul 04 22:00:33 hiemanshu: actually, I think it shows a commericial interest in the platform too. Jul 04 22:00:41 GeneralAntilles: I am going to predict there's no way the devices are shipped before _next_ friday. Jul 04 22:01:07 * hiemanshu shoots javispedro Jul 04 22:01:11 All of these people (outside of sub programmes like meego.com) had to already have a launchpad account and app/s published in Ovi Jul 04 22:01:16 Jartza: dont jinx it Jul 04 22:01:21 though you might start seeing launchpad applications approved tomorrow. one by one. Jul 04 22:01:27 javispedro, oof. Jul 04 22:01:30 fifth batch first. Jul 04 22:01:34 That'd be, unfortunate. Jul 04 22:01:35 javispedro: I think they'll ship by this friday Jul 04 22:01:36 :( Jul 04 22:01:47 But given Elop's slow destruction of the company, probably expectable. Jul 04 22:02:04 allow me to emphatize the "slow" keyword. Jul 04 22:02:14 *emphasize Jul 04 22:03:51 F5 Jul 04 22:04:25 Alt+F4 Jul 04 22:04:34 indeed Jul 04 22:05:25 shutdown -r now Jul 04 22:05:57 I can already envision an email telling us launchpad "applicants" that the three n950s are already sold out, but we should not worry, as they are going to ship us a newer and finer WP7 device. Jul 04 22:07:24 javispedro: as long as that is flashable with meego CE I am fine :P Jul 04 22:07:47 then get an htc.. Jul 04 22:07:49 =) Jul 04 22:08:15 javispedro: use android and then end up hanging myself? Jul 04 22:08:31 or install meegoCE there. Jul 04 22:09:06 I'll hang myself before I even get there :P Jul 04 22:17:16 F5 F5 F5 F5 Jul 04 22:17:19 grrrr Jul 04 22:17:34 http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24873&postcount=381 Jul 04 22:18:06 :D Jul 04 22:18:31 DocScrutinizer: cool down, go listen to some beatles Jul 04 22:19:00 dead kenedy's Jul 04 22:19:43 kennedies? Jul 04 22:19:51 kennedy's Jul 04 22:21:07 eeeek my laptop beeps on shift-numlock Jul 04 22:21:25 DocScrutinizer, I think you're still pretty much in the same boat as the rest of us. Jul 04 22:21:32 with 2 different tones :-P Jul 04 22:22:00 GeneralAntilles: I feel worse, as I dunno what to lok for Jul 04 22:22:07 look* Jul 04 22:22:12 Jaffa got an email. Jul 04 22:22:18 well if DocScrutinizer is ahead of us, or leading us, we should be prepared to die Jul 04 22:22:24 So set up an email filter to sound klaxons when you get a subject line containing "N950" Jul 04 22:22:29 DocScrutinizer: you get an email telling 'You have a N950 waiting for you' Jul 04 22:22:30 or something Jul 04 22:22:48 * DocScrutinizer checks mail Jul 04 22:23:41 I modified the script a bit to play Celebration. Jul 04 22:23:45 As well as discoing the lights. Jul 04 22:24:20 mine plays 'I feel good' :P Jul 04 22:24:53 anyways I am off to sleep Jul 04 22:25:25 GeneralAntilles: I hope the voice input is trained to bring a coffee on each sigh, and a brandy on each swearword ;-D Jul 04 22:25:26 Night all Jul 04 22:26:13 sudo make me a wodka on ice Jul 04 22:26:57 I still want to put together a multi-room PA. Jul 04 22:32:51 ok, this is odd, apt-get install doesn't work - Handler failed silently, but upgrade works just fine Jul 04 22:35:02 nights Jul 04 22:36:39 DocScrutinizer: now LaunchPad's going to get revenge on you because you found the way to bypassing the evil application system! Jul 04 22:36:46 And now I'm even supposed to follow *TWITTER*? To keep up to date with DDP? Jul 04 22:37:06 it could be facebook. Jul 04 22:38:21 If I'm ever going to use these loser services, you can expect me to be replaced by a poor imitation Jul 04 22:38:25 hi everyone Jul 04 22:38:41 my n900 doesnt receive files via bt Jul 04 22:38:52 I thought the entire point of those services was to replace people with poor imitations. Jul 04 22:39:31 newly-flashed.. and no apps installed. what checks would u suggest? Jul 04 22:41:24 errr Jul 04 22:41:29 never tried that Jul 04 22:41:41 btobexpush? Jul 04 22:41:55 * DocScrutinizer muses over ps ax Jul 04 22:42:38 2033 user 3208 S /usr/lib/obex/obexd --nodaemon --opp --ftp --pcsuite Jul 04 22:43:03 might be related Jul 04 22:44:33 956 root 3408 S /usr/sbin/bluetoothd -n Jul 04 22:45:18 thanks DocScrutinizer. will check just now Jul 04 22:46:28 i have both of those :/ Jul 04 22:46:57 dunno if "receiving files per bt" is meant to be supported ootb Jul 04 22:47:05 works out of the box for me Jul 04 22:47:35 I gather you need BT profile obexftp Jul 04 22:47:53 it should work.. it occurs to me that's why contacts synch isn't working via bt from my old phone Jul 04 22:47:55 that's file browsing Jul 04 22:48:02 Finally quassel works on the phone Jul 04 22:48:17 Um, contacts synch is entirely differnet topic from file sending. Jul 04 22:48:21 people, does the N900 have an FPU? Jul 04 22:48:25 rafael2k, yes Jul 04 22:48:29 rafael2k, two in fact Jul 04 22:48:39 great. Jul 04 22:48:44 two? Jul 04 22:48:48 dsp? Jul 04 22:48:52 VFP and Neon Jul 04 22:48:56 aah Jul 04 22:49:09 x86 also has two, SSE* and x87 :) Jul 04 22:49:18 all kinds of sending i've tested fine.. but all types of receiving from any device fail Jul 04 22:49:19 yeah Jul 04 22:49:53 Sicelo, how do they fail? Jul 04 22:50:00 but to what FPU does the commom maths code created by gcc/libc go to? Jul 04 22:50:07 visibility? Jul 04 22:50:11 rafael2k, probably vfp? Jul 04 22:50:54 great. I'll compile darkice (audio streamer) for the N900 and all encoder it uses make use of float math Jul 04 22:51:12 what Jul 04 22:51:17 eg, my 9300i just crashes completely when sending to n900. the n900 just shows a blue bt icon briefly. i tested sending from the 9300i to my n-gage fine Jul 04 22:51:36 rafael2k, you probably want to benchmark that stuff first, if it has both integer and float versions Jul 04 22:51:41 rafael2k: porting cinelerra to n900? :) Jul 04 22:51:50 cehteh: ; ) Jul 04 22:51:54 cehteh: not yet Jul 04 22:51:59 haha Jul 04 22:52:07 ShadowJK: no integer version yet... Jul 04 22:53:29 My E75 doesn't crash when trying to send files via bluetooth Jul 04 22:53:44 (and neither do my N800, N810, N900( Jul 04 22:53:46 ) Jul 04 22:54:09 yay.. maybe i should send back the n900 :( Jul 04 22:54:42 I bet you should send back the 9300i Jul 04 22:54:55 but a simple video editor for the N900 would be interesting Jul 04 22:54:59 :) Jul 04 22:55:35 * Sicelo will try from a different device once more tomorrow Jul 04 22:55:46 N950! N950! N950! Jul 04 22:55:53 * GeneralAntilles looks around. Jul 04 22:55:57 general rule: 9300i must not crash even if other devices would try to make it crash Jul 04 22:56:04 N1000 Jul 04 22:56:10 ~trout GeneralAntilles Jul 04 22:56:11 * infobot slaps GeneralAntilles around a bit with a large trout! Jul 04 22:56:12 OK, it's not Beetlejuice. Jul 04 22:56:38 something like avidemux could be adapted to run. Jul 04 22:56:38 Generalantilles email? Jul 04 22:56:44 Nope. Jul 04 22:56:49 :( Jul 04 22:56:56 GeneralAntilles, oh shut up :P Jul 04 22:58:07 I'm quite reluctant as I think we all will give the loaner back rather soon - and I for sure am not interested in N9 Jul 04 22:58:10 GeneralAntilles: if you do that again I'll steal your N950 Jul 04 22:58:49 technically it's not his N950 Jul 04 22:59:03 DocScrutinizer, recall Nokia's past loans. Jul 04 22:59:07 DocScrutinizer: hush hush :) Jul 04 22:59:23 GeneralAntilles: never were from a limited resource Jul 04 23:00:20 GeneralAntilles: au contraire, sometimes Jul 04 23:00:33 so, when my n900 says that all telephony functions have been disabled, and I may need to reboot to reenable them, is there any way to get it to try again without rebooting? Jul 04 23:00:41 It's bad enough that us normal people aren't going to be able to purchase an N900 upgrade, and that our N900s hw lifespan is likely short, and that our N900 warranty is most likely useless as Nokia is insisting now on replacing with useless crap like N8 instead of repairing.. must you additionally remind us of that SOME people will get upgrade "free" ;P Jul 04 23:00:45 some sort of service restart? Jul 04 23:01:15 Dhraakellian: cycle flight mode Jul 04 23:01:46 Dhraakellian: but honestly that sounds like you're in for an N8 Jul 04 23:02:02 :þ Jul 04 23:02:02 * hiemanshu is off to sleep for real Jul 04 23:02:13 DocScrutinizer: i doubt nokia will be asking for them back Jul 04 23:02:19 Dhraakellian, iirc I played with cmt_* variables in /sys/....something.../gpio/.. cycling cmt_en,cmt_rst,cmt_rst_rq... iirc there was a sequence, and timing, that made cellmodem and stuff restart Jul 04 23:02:24 and if they do, i suspect there will be a sudden rash of muggings Jul 04 23:03:07 well, I was getting this all the time a while back, and then I bent the sim card pins up slightly, which seemed to make the error stop for a while Jul 04 23:03:18 Conditional on the disturnace causing cellmodem to crash/disconnect not occuring during that sequence or time after Jul 04 23:03:35 ieatlint: you know there are worldwide locklists for IMEI Jul 04 23:04:01 i don't, but i do know that the US carriers won't blacklist IMEIs Jul 04 23:04:07 Yeah, when it happened to me, various tricks like that made the problem less worse for a few days Jul 04 23:04:27 Ultimately the problem seems entirely unrelated to the actual simcard holder Jul 04 23:04:43 it has been dropped a few times Jul 04 23:04:47 I will admit that Jul 04 23:04:51 and it's out of warranty Jul 04 23:04:56 (and I got it used anyway) Jul 04 23:04:59 I had never dropped mine Jul 04 23:05:36 3 people droped mine.. Jul 04 23:05:55 now i only show it from my hands :) Jul 04 23:06:10 if the n9 had a keyboard and µSD, I'd consider it Jul 04 23:06:19 yep Jul 04 23:06:22 * DocScrutinizer wonders if N900 has an EM issue in cmt Jul 04 23:06:25 although µSD is less of a concern with 64GB internal Jul 04 23:06:31 DocScrutinizer EM? Jul 04 23:06:40 electromigration Jul 04 23:06:55 that the unleaded solder thing? Jul 04 23:07:07 not really Jul 04 23:07:25 that's more the thing that kills chips on overload, sloooowly Jul 04 23:07:32 e.g. on OC Jul 04 23:07:35 like, a buildup of electrons? Jul 04 23:07:37 ah Jul 04 23:07:49 I personally have never OCed my n900 Jul 04 23:07:54 ~wiki electromigration Jul 04 23:07:58 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromigration (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{No footnotes|date=July 2010}} 'Electromigration' is the transport of material caused by the gradual movement of the ions in a conductor due to the momentum transfer between conducting electrons and diffusing metal atoms. The effect is important in applications where high direct current densities are used, such as in microelectronics and related structures. As the structure ... Jul 04 23:07:59 but, as I said, I got it used Jul 04 23:08:04 DocScrutinizer, or desolder issue, as mine was 100% reliable when on a table, untouched. Any sort of pressure at the centre of main body, or light pressure on battery (with door open), reliably made cmt go away Jul 04 23:08:18 first (or nth?) casualty of the harmattan vs meego confusion Jul 04 23:08:21 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=24871#post24871 Jul 04 23:08:53 ShadowJK: clearly poor soldering then Jul 04 23:09:58 it'd play netradio reliably sitting on table with keyboard open, and then music died when I pressed "h" :) Jul 04 23:10:19 netradio over 3g of cours Jul 04 23:10:20 e Jul 04 23:11:10 javispedro: casualty? sounds sane to me Jul 04 23:11:24 oh, if you let him go ahead and download meego 1.2 sdk, he'll find that Jul 04 23:11:32 a) there's no mention of harmattan anywhere Jul 04 23:11:41 ooh Jul 04 23:11:46 b) the "meego qml components" are not yet compatible with harmattan's Jul 04 23:11:56 c) he has no way to package any kind of harmattan .deb app Jul 04 23:12:01 d) proffit. Jul 04 23:12:01 so meego 1.2 is CE? Jul 04 23:12:14 there's a harmattan sdk Jul 04 23:12:31 there's like two harmattan sdks. Jul 04 23:12:35 and none of them are the meego one. Jul 04 23:12:41 haha Jul 04 23:12:49 yeah Jul 04 23:12:57 DocScrutinizer: CE is currently meego 1.2.sth, and will be 1.3 in the future, and so on. Jul 04 23:12:57 and there's a whole set of harmattan-specific APIs Jul 04 23:13:03 ~lart meego confusion Jul 04 23:13:04 * infobot holds meego confusion to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails Jul 04 23:13:29 try again! Jul 04 23:13:31 ~lart meego confusion Jul 04 23:13:31 * infobot puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at meego confusion Jul 04 23:13:47 ~feed Jul 04 23:13:47 * infobot cooks a succulent, tender, slightly moist steak Jul 04 23:13:54 :D Jul 04 23:14:06 that'd been awesome Jul 04 23:14:08 ouch Jul 04 23:14:16 ~literal feed Jul 04 23:14:16 "feed" is " cooks a succulent, tender, slightly moist steak" Jul 04 23:14:27 but I think I was looking for Jul 04 23:14:29 ~snack Jul 04 23:14:29 ~literal feed x Jul 04 23:14:30 * infobot belches loudly. Oup, 'begpardon. Jul 04 23:14:30 * infobot offers x some toe-jam Jul 04 23:15:57 ~factinfo feed Jul 04 23:15:57 feed -- created by Shirik at Tue Mar 6 07:38:21 2007 (1581 days); it has been requested 12 times, last by merlin1991, 2m 11s ago. Jul 04 23:16:54 ~ literal cmd: feed (.*?) Jul 04 23:16:54 "cmd: feed (.*?)" is "($1): offers $1 some (herring|horseraddish|toe-jam|pizza)" Jul 04 23:17:09 ~forget feed Jul 04 23:17:09 DocScrutinizer: i forgot feed Jul 04 23:17:22 and this thread is TheDailyWTF worthy -- http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3735 -- in fact, I am seriously considering submitting it.. Jul 04 23:18:54 ~feed x Jul 04 23:18:55 * infobot offers x some toe-jam Jul 04 23:19:03 ~feed Jul 04 23:19:22 ~feed the codez Jul 04 23:19:23 * infobot offers the some codez, accompanied by a candle lit table overlooking the's favorite locaton. With music and waiters poised to leap to any of the's wishes. Jul 04 23:19:35 #feed developer codez Jul 04 23:19:38 ~feed developer codez Jul 04 23:19:39 * infobot offers developer some codez, accompanied by a candle lit table overlooking developer's favorite locaton. With music and waiters poised to leap to any of developer's wishes. Jul 04 23:20:08 ~feed code monkeys caffeine Jul 04 23:20:09 * infobot Takes caffeine, hands it to a profesional 5 star restaurant staff, who expertly shove caffeine down code monkeys's throat then throws code monkeys out into the back alley with the rest of the trash. Jul 04 23:23:03 hah, ibot superpowaz, made her forget a 4 year old factoid Jul 04 23:23:58 welcome, doc! Jul 04 23:24:11 "the bug has fixed" as commit message Jul 04 23:24:14 * javispedro commits murder Jul 04 23:24:28 LOL Jul 04 23:24:45 "when you reads this, the commit went thru" Jul 04 23:25:09 I need one of those cat pictures saying something along the lines of "I'm here reverting your commits" Jul 04 23:26:03 * DocScrutinizer hands javispedro CHEEZBURGA Jul 04 23:26:39 anyway Jul 04 23:26:51 ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US! Jul 04 23:27:10 ALL OUR N950 ARE BELONG TO ..... hmm Jul 04 23:27:15 NOT US! Jul 04 23:27:49 * Dhraakellian never quite figured out exactly what NFC does Jul 04 23:28:00 * Dhraakellian should probably look around more Jul 04 23:28:01 ~nfc Jul 04 23:28:02 extra, extra, read all about it, nfc is No Fucking Clue Jul 04 23:28:06 ;-P Jul 04 23:28:37 badumbum Jul 04 23:29:08 nfc is a sort of rfid barcode labels Jul 04 23:29:53 huh. Jul 04 23:30:31 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication Jul 04 23:31:30 i want a cheeseburger Jul 04 23:32:15 and yeah, nfc is like qrcodes, but without struggling to get your phone's camera to focus with the right light/angle Jul 04 23:32:43 and then a few extra random features... like nokia makes bluetooth headsets with nfc -- hold it to the phone, and the phone pairs with it Jul 04 23:33:50 isnt nfc vulnerable to ppl pointing at your phone from further away with a `big' antenna? Jul 04 23:36:53 good morning Jul 04 23:37:59 (its also used (planned?) for paying public transport fares etc...) Jul 04 23:38:44 it may be vulnerable to that Jul 04 23:39:17 and rfid cards that are nfc-compliant are used for public transit in many cities (amsterdam, london, san francisco) Jul 04 23:39:46 and phones are capable of imitating those cards... but i don't know of a system that allows that presently Jul 04 23:39:57 heh Jul 04 23:40:03 (but there are ones for emulating mastercard credit cards) Jul 04 23:49:07 Get 'em while they're hot: http://www.mobino1.com/product-1495.html Jul 04 23:49:51 \o/ another NOKLA phone Jul 04 23:50:12 It's 1st-gen iPod thick. Jul 04 23:52:28 always the same dual sim chipset Jul 04 23:52:55 hahaha Jul 04 23:53:01 almost worth the 62EUR Jul 04 23:53:08 well, 64$ - seems a fair deal no matter how crappy the thing Jul 04 23:55:41 5.0MegaPiexls (SIC!) Jul 04 23:56:23 ""Designed in Finland"" MUHAHAHA Jul 04 23:57:08 lol Jul 04 23:57:37 haha Jul 04 23:58:34 hey the look is nice with the folding keyboard .. Jul 04 23:58:38 also the price is ok Jul 04 23:58:44 but the rest is crap :D Jul 04 23:59:27 Support TF card extend to 4GB max Jul 04 23:59:35 wtf is a TF card? Jul 04 23:59:51 Totally Fucked Card? Jul 04 23:59:55 it's an e7 knock-off Jul 05 00:00:03 DocScrutinizer, the Chinese rented some rack space in a Finnish data center and VNCed in? Jul 05 00:00:24 Dual cameras/2.0 Mega pixel camera for Picture & Video capability Jul 05 00:00:42 haha .. Piexels != Pixels Jul 05 00:00:53 hey, comes with TWO 2Ah-batteries! Jul 05 00:01:14 yeah right :) Jul 05 00:01:31 piexels might be tasty Jul 05 00:01:53 haha listen to that flash video on that side Jul 05 00:02:02 HahaHaHA Jul 05 00:02:49 "·Alarm clock:5 groups, support alarm clock when machine’s closed, can set from Monday to Sunday" Jul 05 00:02:58 wow, monday to sunday Jul 05 00:03:09 this is some advanced technology Jul 05 00:03:11 :) Jul 05 00:03:20 the n900 knock off was also pretty entertaining Jul 05 00:03:41 I'd love to meet the creators of these devices. Jul 05 00:03:48 I wonder if they approach their jobs seriously. Jul 05 00:03:55 hehe Jul 05 00:04:04 if i had more disposable income, i'd buy this Jul 05 00:04:09 2batteries (2000mAh) .... means 1000mAh each Jul 05 00:04:16 and next time i go to nokia, i'd bring it as my phone Jul 05 00:04:24 hahaha Jul 05 00:05:59 i wonder if one of this chinese crap manufacturers could just blow all his OS sources into the web Jul 05 00:06:03 that would be appealing Jul 05 00:06:53 related: NCKiA C3 *yeah* Jul 05 00:07:00 well technically prolly only one OS and HW design exists for this phones and they only adapt the cases :P Jul 05 00:07:34 Weight:500.000 (g) Jul 05 00:07:40 bit heavy :P Jul 05 00:08:22 (even if they mean only 500gramms) Jul 05 00:08:45 way dwn they say 132g Jul 05 00:08:52 hehe ok Jul 05 00:09:08 500 is the box I guess Jul 05 00:09:10 do this phones actually work? Jul 05 00:09:29 well, by any definition of work they *may* Jul 05 00:10:02 i mean can you expect that the OS crashes every few hours? .. or do european providers blacklist badly implemented/unlicensed stacks? Jul 05 00:10:11 though the video shows phone requesting "insert SIM" while obviously he did ;-P Jul 05 00:11:01 http://www.mobino1.com/product-1519.html Jul 05 00:11:05 these are all based on a tested and probably working chipset that comes with a cheap symbian or whatever Jul 05 00:11:08 awesome design .. Jul 05 00:11:26 you think thats symbian? Jul 05 00:12:26 hehe i want this HANMAC ... looks like a digital watch from the end of the 70's became a smartphone :P Jul 05 00:14:43 cehteh: you hold it like the klingon communicator in Star Trek III Jul 05 00:14:55 NOKLA and NCKIA, they are really clever, those Chinese ;-D Jul 05 00:14:56 hmm... Jul 05 00:15:03 western union payment? Jul 05 00:15:11 support incoming call with big head sticker Jul 05 00:15:12 gotta be legit Jul 05 00:15:17 wtf .. haha Jul 05 00:15:47 Lithium Batteries:6800mAh Jul 05 00:15:57 hey i want that in my n900 Jul 05 00:16:15 no you don't ;-P Jul 05 00:16:53 What's not to like about 6.8 amp-hours? Jul 05 00:16:53 Piexs: 240×320px Jul 05 00:17:01 yoh Jul 05 00:17:12 do they use a permutation generator for producing the translations? Jul 05 00:17:28 nah, for producing the phones Jul 05 00:18:16 even while it's not mentioned in this ad, I seem to recall the chipset has 64MB Jul 05 00:18:27 WE DO NOT REPAIR OR REPLACE ITEMS WITH AN EXPIRED WARRANTY. Jul 05 00:18:33 hey ... like nokia! Jul 05 00:18:38 *storage* Jul 05 00:20:33 http://www.mobino1.com/product-2093.html with real android? Jul 05 00:21:06 no way, the chipset doesn't allow Jul 05 00:21:33 cehteh: no, it's a fake fake person Jul 05 00:22:13 haha girl-phone category .. phones with one button and so on :) Jul 05 00:23:03 ok closing that page .. Jul 05 00:23:40 hmm, maybe Jul 05 00:24:53 IMEI:3556***857 IMEI:3556***865 WTF?! Jul 05 00:25:24 come on IMEI's are expensive you didnt expect them to be unique? Jul 05 00:26:10 cehteh, I SEE WHAT YOUR IMPLYING THAR Jul 05 00:26:29 ---> haha girl-phone category .. phones with one button and so on :) Jul 05 00:28:23 Every weird person in the city has to come and fill up the neighborhood to see the fireworks. Jul 05 00:28:27 the "android" phone comes with >>Analog tv free<< and telescope antenna Jul 05 00:28:32 :-D Jul 05 00:28:36 Lotta bad drivers. Jul 05 00:28:46 too bad here's no more analog TV at all :-P Jul 05 00:28:56 DocScrutinizer: one of the n900 had a telescope antenna too Jul 05 00:31:38 when I was in a shopee nearby, asking for a holster for my N900, another dude can in with a N900 NOKLA and asked for repair X-P Jul 05 00:31:53 s/can/came/ Jul 05 00:31:53 DocScrutinizer meant: when I was in a shopee nearby, asking for a holster for my N900, another dude came in with a N900 NOKLA and asked for repair X-P Jul 05 00:32:27 For some reason, there's not many fireworks over here. Can't think why. Jul 05 00:32:44 Dibblah: eh? Jul 05 00:33:13 Not many people round here celebrate July 4th...? Jul 05 00:33:35 Somebody really needs to connect XChat with libconic Jul 05 00:34:04 meanwhile: treasure worth maybe 15 billion € found in an indian temple, now guarded by 100 policemen Jul 05 00:35:06 I wonder how many rogue Presidents consider sending a company of soldiers Jul 05 00:35:21 Tough to fence Jul 05 00:35:45 If you're a rogue president you're better off rining the IMF. Jul 05 00:36:14 my dict fails Jul 05 00:36:44 and what's IMF Jul 05 00:37:16 International Monetary Fund Jul 05 00:37:20 and dict fails on what? Jul 05 00:37:21 aaah Jul 05 00:37:34 ~dict rining Jul 05 00:37:37 could not find definition for rining Jul 05 00:37:51 Ah, oops Jul 05 00:37:53 Ringing Jul 05 00:38:01 hah Jul 05 00:38:30 you had me wondering as well :) Jul 05 00:39:37 What is up with musicians putting sirens in their mixes. Jul 05 00:39:48 Public safety hazard. Jul 05 01:14:34 just wonder, whose idea was it to do a "Connections" section in "Phone" part of settings, AND a Connections part? Jul 05 01:14:43 that is seperate of phone Jul 05 01:33:15 FIQ: a "Connections" section in "Phone" ? Jul 05 01:34:37 FIQ: It's for sure a bit strange to have the data counters in "Phone", but I can't spot any "Connections" section in "Phone" of settings Jul 05 02:21:06 ~seen MohammadAG Jul 05 02:21:10 mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7h 38m 49s ago, saying: 'noobmonk3y, working apparently :P'. Jul 05 02:41:22 i see seas of meat **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 05 02:59:57 2011