**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 07 02:59:56 2011 Jul 07 03:00:57 i see. however, it must be very hard for the author to debug maemo program in VS. Jul 07 03:01:09 a lot of lib he need to included. Jul 07 03:02:09 hi Jul 07 03:14:22 holmesII: huh? Jul 07 03:14:32 just using VS as editor perhaps? Jul 07 03:14:42 i don't know. i am check the ESBOX. Jul 07 03:15:02 maybe there are same sln and vcsproj files. Jul 07 03:16:14 you possibly need to test it on the real device the sdk has no BME, no battery and so on Jul 07 03:17:21 doesn't esbox has those stuffs? Jul 07 03:17:49 eh, nope Jul 07 03:18:35 it is mostly a build environment, not a test environment Jul 07 03:18:48 hmmm. Jul 07 03:19:35 that more than just building works there is more a coincidence Jul 07 03:19:48 i'd like to get the batterygraph source code. Jul 07 03:20:00 didnt you saied you have it? Jul 07 03:20:01 the author said he did it in ecbox. Jul 07 03:20:26 i did downloaded one, but i suspect it's not the batterygraph i want. Jul 07 03:20:36 i want this http://maemo.jeroenwitteman.com/BatteryGraph/manual.php Jul 07 03:22:30 there is a download section Jul 07 03:22:36 http://maemo.jeroenwitteman.com/BatteryGraph/batterygraph_0.3.2_armel.deb Jul 07 03:24:24 oh its not python Jul 07 03:24:57 the deb file is the installation file. Jul 07 03:25:04 i need the source code. Jul 07 03:25:05 it also contains the packages Jul 07 03:25:14 err .. programs Jul 07 03:25:21 so if it would be python then the source as well Jul 07 03:25:55 back to the CSSU source :) Jul 07 03:26:35 hey that all you need and quite simple Jul 07 03:26:40 showing how to use hal Jul 07 03:27:52 the deb package only contains the installation binary files. no source code. Jul 07 03:27:58 i will check CSSU source right now. Jul 07 03:28:44 i just cloned the git and looked Jul 07 03:28:55 looks exactly as you need Jul 07 03:29:31 http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery/blobs/master/src/status-area-applet-battery.c Jul 07 03:29:39 or take a look online Jul 07 03:29:57 i did download this one before. but i can't compile it. Jul 07 03:30:00 any idea? Jul 07 03:30:31 i dont care for compiling it .. but looks to me as it is a part which gets integrated in the CSSU infrastructure and is not standalone Jul 07 03:31:11 thow out all hildon stuff make it printf() the current value and make a selfstanding console app for yourself first .. until you understand how to do that Jul 07 03:31:46 then you make it a library you can link to your app and as i saied before you gather statistics in debug builds of your app when your app is already awake Jul 07 03:32:07 (in debug builds only!) Jul 07 03:32:32 did you packaged things for maemo before? Jul 07 03:32:59 no. Jul 07 03:33:04 * cehteh neither :P Jul 07 03:33:14 i just got my N900 yesterday. Jul 07 03:33:19 ok Jul 07 03:33:36 so i am totally newbi to this area Jul 07 03:33:54 i just searching a victim^Wvolunteer to package my debugging lib :P Jul 07 03:34:13 well i dont really care but if someone could do that it would be nice Jul 07 03:38:13 i can't figure it out which part of codes is what i need. Jul 07 03:41:21 just starting with C/C++? Jul 07 03:41:42 yes. Jul 07 03:41:53 maybe pick something easier .. and get a good book Jul 07 03:42:32 133 Jul 07 03:42:32 static void Jul 07 03:42:32 134 Jul 07 03:42:32 battery_status_plugin_get_values (BatteryStatusAreaItem *plugin) Jul 07 03:42:52 looks like the querying function .. but its still tied to the applet stuff needs to be rewritten Jul 07 03:43:15 libhal_device_get_property_int (priv->ctx, BME_HAL_UDI, BME_HAL_CURRENT_KEY, &error); Jul 07 03:45:11 yes, like this, BatteryStatusAreaItem, what is that. Jul 07 03:45:14 module name? Jul 07 03:45:18 or come from some lib? Jul 07 03:45:55 prolly a gobject for the plugin Jul 07 03:45:55 well. forget it. i am doing my asp.net website now and hopefully i can finish it before i leave Jul 07 03:46:06 you only need this libhal call wrapped up Jul 07 03:46:12 lol Jul 07 03:46:36 yes Jul 07 03:46:40 keep in touch. Jul 07 03:46:42 be help Jul 07 06:43:28 hey guys , i have Jul 07 06:43:37 guys i have "dummy network Jul 07 06:43:47 hey guys , i have Jul 07 06:44:35 damn ! Jul 07 06:45:10 guys i have "dummy network" visible in my network list , but it does not appear when i get to select prefered internet connection. how do i get it to show up in the internet connection list ? Jul 07 07:00:19 guys i have "dummy network" visible in my network list , but it does not appear when i get to select prefered internet connection. how do i get it to show up in the internet connection list when USB networking ? Jul 07 07:05:59 dan_, we heard you the first time ;) when people wake up they'll be able to help Jul 07 07:06:30 * hiemanshu hits the F5 again Jul 07 07:13:07 * khertan load gmail and push f5 key Jul 07 07:13:31 * khertan push again f5 key while grumphying about QML ... Jul 07 07:13:43 rofl Jul 07 07:15:09 khertan: got launchpad right? Jul 07 07:15:31 hiemanshu, yep Jul 07 07:16:05 khertan: so I hope to have my N950 order email by today :D Jul 07 07:17:20 :) Jul 07 07:28:09 hm! Jul 07 07:34:58 on my Nokia Developer page, the "Launchpad for individuals" are listed in "My Programs" Jul 07 07:35:13 I haven't received an e-mail from them though Jul 07 07:35:19 Venemo_N900, you don't Jul 07 07:35:26 how do I get my N950 from there? Jul 07 07:35:45 Venemo_N900, you don't until you get the email that says you have an N900 waiting for you and then you go to Jul 07 07:35:49 ~n900order Jul 07 07:35:54 damn bot Jul 07 07:35:57 N900? Jul 07 07:36:01 oh Jul 07 07:36:06 ~n950order Jul 07 07:36:08 somebody said n950order was https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-) Jul 07 07:36:14 that link ^^ Jul 07 07:36:16 at least the n900 is almost as good as the n950 Jul 07 07:36:35 heyho, I've installed OMWeather on my n900 and in germany my town is 2 times there. How can I find out now, which is the right one? Jul 07 07:36:53 Venemo_N900: got email? Jul 07 07:36:55 try both Jul 07 07:37:00 and then? Jul 07 07:37:11 hiemanshu, nope. and you? Jul 07 07:37:13 Select the one that works Jul 07 07:37:18 is there anywhere a zip code, in a config file or something like that Jul 07 07:37:23 Venemo_N900: nope, but hope to have mine today Jul 07 07:37:26 both are working Jul 07 07:37:37 my town name is two times in germany Jul 07 07:37:50 file a bug report then Jul 07 07:37:59 MySpaez: "almost" nothing, it can be /better/... at least for now., Remember, it's possible to OC it to 1.15ghz, whereas the N950 has no OC ability yet. Jul 07 07:38:13 and with an OS designed for 600mhz... Jul 07 07:38:14 Termana: "Login to Nokia Developer" :P Jul 07 07:38:37 mooo Jul 07 07:38:38 Venemo_N900: I wrote an xdotool script, even 5 mins, auto opens the chromium windows in another workspace and hit refresh :P Jul 07 07:38:50 DocScrutinizer: baaaah Jul 07 07:39:03 DocScrutinizer: whats the status on yours? Jul 07 07:39:04 Robbie so we have reports of OC'd N900s dying yet? Jul 07 07:39:10 won the fight with DHL Jul 07 07:39:10 Do we Jul 07 07:39:27 DocScrutinizer: and? Jul 07 07:39:27 unboxing this second Jul 07 07:39:32 DocScrutinizer: WOW Jul 07 07:39:34 DocScrutinizer: thats fast Jul 07 07:39:59 DocScrutinizer: pics :D Jul 07 07:40:00 hiemanshu, hehh :) Jul 07 07:40:09 I've heard of at max two that could be considered to have died that way... but nothing clear-cut, really. No tens-of-people with fried chips, etc. Jul 07 07:40:12 DocScrutinizer, pics or it didn't happen Jul 07 07:40:12 DocScrutinizer, yello Jul 07 07:40:16 Venemo_N900: well seeing the pattern, I hope to have it today Jul 07 07:40:44 hiemanshu, what is the pattern? Jul 07 07:40:59 Venemo_N900: random luck :D Jul 07 07:41:02 Holey shite - I'm eating a Peri Peri Zinger Burger from KFC. This thing is REALLY hot heh :p Jul 07 07:41:21 meh Jul 07 07:41:30 DocScrutinizer: ? Jul 07 07:41:36 pics Jul 07 07:41:40 ah Jul 07 07:41:42 send us some Jul 07 07:41:53 time for 12648430 ☕ Jul 07 07:42:01 what is that? Jul 07 07:42:06 coffee Jul 07 07:42:07 :P Jul 07 07:42:29 ah Jul 07 07:42:46 I see a funny non-appearing utf8 character Jul 07 07:43:03 thats the coffee char :P Jul 07 07:43:10 well looks like it Jul 07 07:43:25 doesn't appear for me. Jul 07 07:43:31 but I believe you Jul 07 07:43:34 DocScrutinizer in 2 hours: "Unboxing is old school, I'm unaluminuming it" Jul 07 07:43:47 lol Jul 07 07:43:50 so... bottomline: no email = no N950 Jul 07 07:43:55 ? Jul 07 07:44:20 Venemo_N900: yes Jul 07 07:44:24 hey MohammadAG, any news on yours yet? Jul 07 07:44:58 it's still sun tanning Venemo_N900 Jul 07 07:45:21 mhm Jul 07 07:45:34 oh btw, my laptop's HDD went nuts Jul 07 07:46:11 cool, mine went fishing :P Jul 07 07:46:14 I got a BIOS message asking me to replace it (reported by SMART, whatever it is) Jul 07 07:46:14 Venemo_N900: stop molesting your laptop :P Jul 07 07:46:30 oh that's nothing Jul 07 07:46:39 it'll die Jul 07 07:46:42 eventually Jul 07 07:46:43 Venemo_N900: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T. Jul 07 07:46:48 you just don't know when Jul 07 07:47:03 MohammadAG: that's the case for every hard drive though Jul 07 07:47:06 I have a MBP is my shelf, lying around in bits and pieces :P Jul 07 07:47:09 or any hardware, for that matter :) Jul 07 07:47:22 actually, F15's hdd manager tool also told me this, but ignored that Jul 07 07:47:37 F15's tool talks to smart Jul 07 07:47:48 Venemo_N900: lol, replace it before you lose data Jul 07 07:47:50 yeah, that it said Jul 07 07:47:52 MohammadAG: yes, smartctl Jul 07 07:47:55 ignoring smart errors is usually not smart Jul 07 07:47:59 anyway, I'd prefer a non-dying one for the next couple of weeks Jul 07 07:48:15 so I'll go to a shop today and get one Jul 07 07:48:34 I need to get a new laptop Jul 07 07:48:39 * hiemanshu is waiting for gsoc monies Jul 07 07:49:35 check my ovi account for pics Jul 07 07:49:44 now COFFEE! Jul 07 07:49:49 link Jul 07 07:49:50 DocScrutinizer, fuck unboxing Jul 07 07:49:57 get a torx and unscrew that thing! Jul 07 07:50:02 :P Jul 07 07:50:10 MohammadAG: the holes of the box are too big :P Jul 07 07:50:24 well in not developing for qt/meego so i dont deserve one Jul 07 07:50:30 I hope docs is Jul 07 07:50:31 DocScrutinizer, link? Jul 07 07:50:44 hiemanshu, perv :P Jul 07 07:51:05 MohammadAG: you spoke about fucking it, I didn't Jul 07 07:51:07 hiemanshu, I need a new laptop too... do you know any good ones? Jul 07 07:51:13 DocScrutinizer's doing hostmode Jul 07 07:51:23 Venemo_N900: thinkpad or MBP, everything else I have used it shit Jul 07 07:51:31 Venemo_N900: I am getting a MBP for meself Jul 07 07:51:36 hiemanshu, MBP? Jul 07 07:51:42 Venemo_N900: MacBook Pro Jul 07 07:51:49 YUCK! Jul 07 07:52:00 HPs are great Jul 07 07:52:21 not sure about the toucpad on new ones though Jul 07 07:52:27 lol HP Jul 07 07:52:29 touchpads suck anyway Jul 07 07:52:38 I don't care about touchpad Jul 07 07:52:48 MohammadAG: I screwed the HP manager at the service center once Jul 07 07:52:48 well, they suck more when the buttons are the same touch panel Jul 07 07:52:58 agreed Jul 07 07:52:58 meaning you can't click while moving the mouse Jul 07 07:52:58 MohammadAG: 14 days replacement done in 6 hours Jul 07 07:53:11 hiemanshu, screwed? perv! Jul 07 07:53:28 MohammadAG: not that kind of screwing :P Jul 07 07:54:04 MohammadAG: she was too old for that :P Jul 07 07:54:11 lol Jul 07 07:54:58 xD Jul 07 07:56:23 * khertan is hate more and more qml ... every example i found ve problem or require fucking component available only on one plateform Jul 07 07:56:26 that sucks ! Jul 07 07:56:28 http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10131?sort=0 and -<- khertan, components are usually cross platform Jul 07 07:57:16 if they only deal with the UI Jul 07 07:57:23 Has anyone who applied for the "Nokia Developer Launchapad" as part of the process for getting an N9 DevKit received a reply yet? Jul 07 07:57:43 I simply want a ~15" laptop with at least a Core i5 and a usable video card (requirement is the ability to play SC2, ATI=nothanks), and good Linux support. which manufacturer/model should I look at? Jul 07 07:57:46 DocScrutinizer: nice Jul 07 07:57:47 MohammadAG, they aren't ... harmattan component are a .so so not really portable ... Jul 07 07:58:04 Venemo_N900: Thinkpad or Dell Vostro Jul 07 07:58:05 Morning, all Jul 07 07:58:09 GeneralAntilles: pong Jul 07 07:58:21 Venemo_N900: Buy a MacBookPro and stuff Ubuntu into it? Jul 07 07:58:23 Jaffa: morning you lucky arse :P Jul 07 07:58:25 MohammadAG, meego one depends on meego things ... so not available for fremantle Jul 07 07:58:38 khertan: write in pure QML? Jul 07 07:58:57 Venemo_N900: or Jul 07 07:58:58 sandst1, for the price of a macbook pro, I can buy two other laptops. Jul 07 07:59:02 khertan, meego components? you can get them on fremantle Jul 07 07:59:02 anyways I have to go out now Jul 07 07:59:04 * hiemanshu is out Jul 07 07:59:05 hiemanshu, write in something that will work on maemo, meego and harmattan Jul 07 07:59:08 and use Qt components Jul 07 07:59:14 DocScrutinizer: do you have another camera to make side-by-side n9{0,5}0 comparison? Jul 07 07:59:20 MohammadAG, really ? Jul 07 07:59:22 they're cross platform Jul 07 07:59:26 Venemo_N900: Yeap, true. Jul 07 07:59:39 MohammadAG, where are them ? Jul 07 07:59:52 sandst1, I also hate Apple's "ecosystem", so I don't wanna support them with money Jul 07 07:59:55 qt components? not sure, alterego or achipa would know Jul 07 08:01:02 hiemanshu: Yeah, but I've filled in a few more issues and things to be aware of on http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 Jul 07 08:01:11 MohammadAG, pfff ... it s not a framework ... it s puzzle Jul 07 08:01:26 hiemanshu: Annoyances of the day: no way of archiving email in Gmail; maps' voice files play in all-songs-shuffle. Jul 07 08:01:48 Jaffa: can it sync non-google caldav? Jul 07 08:01:51 Venemo_N900: indeed. But luckily the market is full of decently-priced core i7 laptops Jul 07 08:01:56 Jaffa: create a folder named archive? Or something? Jul 07 08:02:06 Jaffa: well, either ways, lucky arse Jul 07 08:02:11 * hiemanshu is out for real now Jul 07 08:03:58 * khertan will do his now qml component lib ... and fuck da plateform integration Jul 07 08:04:07 sandst1, I didn't find a single one that looks good and has a fair price at the same time Jul 07 08:04:17 Jaffa: the way i got n900 to ignore gpodder etc was to exclude those dir in tracer.cfg or .ini or whatever it was Jul 07 08:04:20 tracker* Jul 07 08:04:34 im talking about media player Jul 07 08:04:58 n950 also uses tracker or now Jul 07 08:05:00 no* Jul 07 08:05:11 Venemo_N900: whoops, meant to write core i5 laptops :) Jul 07 08:06:42 samsung series 9 is just about all there is, aside from dell latitude 13 Jul 07 08:06:49 looking for the same thing Jul 07 08:07:01 trying to stay way from the MBA triangle-ufo shape Jul 07 08:07:04 sandst1, sure, same stands true for i5 Jul 07 08:08:43 Corsac: No idea, not got one to try Jul 07 08:08:57 macmaN: Yeah, I'll probably go investigate that (ta) Jul 07 08:09:41 hey guys, does anyone know if every micro USB connector is compatible with n900? I torn mine off, and the service (not official, heh) replaced it Jul 07 08:09:46 but it doesnt seem to charge Jul 07 08:10:11 DocScrutinizer: hmhm, quite larger indeed Jul 07 08:10:11 Venemo_N900: what would be a decent price..? Jul 07 08:11:01 Venemo_N900: i guess priceof(MBP)/2 ?: ) Jul 07 08:12:15 sandst1, dunno. I guess below ~$1000 or ~€700 Jul 07 08:13:02 DocScrutinizer, thx for the pics! N950 is real big Jul 07 08:13:33 Venemo_N900: samsung s9 11,6" fits there.. Jul 07 08:13:39 sandst1, but more to my liking would be below 800 Jul 07 08:13:47 Venemo_N900: e.g. Samsung RV511 doesn't look too bad http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-RV511-notebook-2-66GHz-Premium/dp/B004NSUG0E Jul 07 08:13:50 macmaN, wut? that is not 15". Jul 07 08:13:52 but i guess a bunch of ultrathins are coming this here Jul 07 08:13:56 ahhh, 15" :) Jul 07 08:14:10 ok i remember seeing an ultrathin 15 by someone Jul 07 08:14:13 cant remember who Jul 07 08:14:23 I don't care about thinness or weight, rather battery life and performance Jul 07 08:14:30 guys Jul 07 08:14:54 ok. there's plenty of brick selection around for that then. Jul 07 08:15:21 problem is that most of them are very ugly and have an uncomfortable keyboard Jul 07 08:15:43 MohammadAG: khertan: a strictly personal opinion - components solve the cross-platform problem by making it easy, quickly do throwaway UIs, not to make the one giant monolithic UI that runs equally well on all platforms Jul 07 08:16:32 I know this goes against your experience and traiing and everything, but that's the current way to least pain Jul 07 08:18:31 i hope in 2012 a n900 replacement comes Jul 07 08:19:29 heh Jul 07 08:19:45 achipa, how can you say crossplateform where everything is specifics to plateform Jul 07 08:20:17 achipa, i m trying to do an app for harmattan currently in qml Jul 07 08:20:23 and whooa ... it s a real pain Jul 07 08:20:33 qtcreator didn't know about harmattan component Jul 07 08:20:37 they are not cross-platform, they address the cross-platform PROBLEM Jul 07 08:20:51 can't try it in simulator as it s really slow Jul 07 08:20:56 I know, that might not be what people have expected, but that's it Jul 07 08:21:04 AFAIK doesn't work in simulator currently Jul 07 08:21:05 can't try it on n900, component not available Jul 07 08:21:08 only QEMU Jul 07 08:21:19 qtcreator should know about the components Jul 07 08:21:25 if you have the experimental harmattan target Jul 07 08:21:29 but qemu is too slow to be usefull Jul 07 08:21:37 yep i ve experimental target Jul 07 08:21:59 N900 components... I think Kate or GNUton-BNC is on that... Jul 07 08:22:14 khertan: hm, worksforme with the experimental target Jul 07 08:22:19 (on-device) Jul 07 08:22:34 what does constant yellow light means when charging N900? Jul 07 08:22:41 trouble Jul 07 08:22:50 I can guess so Jul 07 08:22:59 achipa, is there qml component that works on fremantle and on meego ? Jul 07 08:23:03 can you turn it on ? are going from zero ? Jul 07 08:23:18 no, the battery went zero after my USB connector broke off Jul 07 08:23:23 HAAHAAA they seem to check the accelerometer for detecting doubletap for wakeup Jul 07 08:23:31 khertan: look, I will repeat myself. Do not try to find a subset of the same code that runs equally well Jul 07 08:23:37 khertan: that is pain, and you will suffer Jul 07 08:23:39 the guy resoldered the connector (used new one), now it just wont charge and shows yellow led Jul 07 08:23:48 think about doing it quickly in parallel Jul 07 08:23:54 embrace the diversity Jul 07 08:24:00 the mobile tries to turn on but obviously doesnt have enough battery power Jul 07 08:24:01 minimize the QML UI layer Jul 07 08:24:02 achipa, the pain will be to do 3 time the same apps Jul 07 08:24:06 for the same target Jul 07 08:24:16 it s the same device Jul 07 08:24:27 only different os Jul 07 08:24:29 it's more pain to do ONE iu that works equially well on all 3 Jul 07 08:24:30 same framework Jul 07 08:24:32 that's what I'm saying Jul 07 08:24:41 could it be that the power is too low to even put it on charge mode? Jul 07 08:25:01 thresh: could be... Jul 07 08:25:37 because I clearly remember the battery sign on the screen showing it actually was working on the guy's USB charger Jul 07 08:25:44 achipa, no i m sorry ... it s more pain to rewrite and maintain 3 apps which do exactly the same thing and use different api Jul 07 08:25:52 i call that fragmentation Jul 07 08:26:47 so solution is avoid component and use pure qml ... do not respect plateform. Jul 07 08:27:01 or avoid completely some plateform Jul 07 08:27:51 hmmmmmm, I'm all torn apart Jul 07 08:29:08 DocScrutinizer: whats wrong? Jul 07 08:29:19 too shiny Jul 07 08:29:22 achipa, beside my grip about qml and component, for a source code editor, how will you present file opened at the same time ... doing a file switcher like the task switcher , or use a gesture to swipe from right to left and vice versa ? Jul 07 08:29:30 DocScrutinizer: eh? Jul 07 08:29:31 ~n950order Jul 07 08:29:32 hmm... n950order is https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-) Jul 07 08:29:40 MohammadAG: email? Jul 07 08:29:54 it's like a new girlfriend Jul 07 08:29:55 no, just checking Jul 07 08:29:59 ah Jul 07 08:30:09 DocScrutinizer: that should be good news right Jul 07 08:30:17 unless the old one's complaining? Jul 07 08:30:23 first 2 weeks you see only the bright sides, but you sometimes get a bad feeling and you dunno what for Jul 07 08:31:34 DocScrutinizer: lol Jul 07 08:31:36 DocScrutinizer: true Jul 07 08:32:06 open music... "please coonect to your PC to get your mediathek" (OWTTE) -- too simple, I bet connecting to my computer will result in something quite different than magical movement of songs Jul 07 08:32:46 DocScrutinizer: they expect you to have ovi, that should do the transfer :P Jul 07 08:33:36 lots og accidental taps instead flicking Jul 07 08:33:57 or scrolling Jul 07 08:34:05 long live capacitive Jul 07 08:34:13 YEAH :-/ Jul 07 08:34:37 got used to it on the N8 and iPhone Jul 07 08:35:06 welcome date&time picker is soooo nice now Jul 07 08:35:23 sadly everyone I give my N900 to does accidental clicks cause they scroll too lightly Jul 07 08:35:24 So, what... you guys like the resistive on the N900 or the N950 capacitative better? Jul 07 08:35:36 MohammadAG \o*/ Jul 07 08:35:45 I like capacitative, mostly for multitouch Jul 07 08:35:46 please tell me the device will let me just manually transfer music to it in mass storage and itll pick up the music cleanly Jul 07 08:35:53 bump on the head ZogG? Jul 07 08:35:58 will not be impressed if it basically requires ovi to handle the transfer Jul 07 08:36:06 MohammadAG it's flower in the hair =) Jul 07 08:36:07 nid0: naah, it should do that Jul 07 08:36:07 there's multitouch resistive hiemanshu Jul 07 08:36:19 MohammadAG, yeah but noone uses it Jul 07 08:36:29 i would liek to have it in phone Jul 07 08:36:35 point is, it's not a capacitive thing Jul 07 08:36:39 though i don't know how responsive it is Jul 07 08:36:50 same as resistive obviously Jul 07 08:36:51 I hope that the n9 will get rooted so that there will be normal root access like on n900... Jul 07 08:37:05 MohammadAG: right, but its not even mainstream yet :( Jul 07 08:37:05 MohammadAG, actually it is, like in phones and association Jul 07 08:37:15 ruskie: Not needed? Jul 07 08:37:17 rooted is an android word, please don't use it :P Jul 07 08:37:22 ruskie it is rooted Jul 07 08:37:35 I thought the n9 won't have root access Jul 07 08:37:37 ruskie right there in options Jul 07 08:37:38 X-Fade, can you see if devel-su works? Jul 07 08:37:53 rather than using ssh root@localhost Jul 07 08:37:54 MohammadAG: devel-su? Jul 07 08:38:06 X-Fade, should be like sudo su Jul 07 08:38:08 as i read you just turn rot access in options Jul 07 08:38:19 MohammadAG why would you use sudo su Jul 07 08:38:23 ZogG, read where? Jul 07 08:38:26 you use or su or sudo Jul 07 08:38:31 ruskie internets Jul 07 08:38:37 MohammadAG: Yes, asks for pw. And then it works. Jul 07 08:38:56 ruskie, http://indostarcom.com/2011/07/root-nokia-n9-is-as-easy-as-entering-the-menu-settings/ Jul 07 08:38:57 ZogG, su root asks for root pass, I may not have that Jul 07 08:39:06 sudo su asks my password, which I have Jul 07 08:39:10 MohammadAG than you do sudo passwd Jul 07 08:39:22 I might be on a server Jul 07 08:39:31 or you use sudo )command Jul 07 08:39:37 %command* Jul 07 08:39:41 or you use su Jul 07 08:39:53 sudo su is kinda lame =) Jul 07 08:39:59 ZogG, hmm interesting Jul 07 08:40:07 sudo -i is what you want then Jul 07 08:40:09 to bad they hide it behind something called: Mode for developers Jul 07 08:40:27 ruskie why do you care how they call it Jul 07 08:40:35 you can call it any name =) Jul 07 08:40:43 ruskie, have you got n9? Jul 07 08:40:51 ZogG, is it on sale yet? Jul 07 08:41:04 MohammadAG, are you planing to get 9 or n950 is enuf for you? Jul 07 08:41:19 ruskie how wouldi know, not in my country for sure Jul 07 08:42:08 nifty! no more simple battery indicator! Jul 07 08:42:16 ? Jul 07 08:42:40 ZogG, the thing is I wonder if it sets anything other than just enabling su/sudo/whatever Jul 07 08:42:43 DocScrutinizer: btw, update the wiki page with received Jul 07 08:42:52 i saw some guys that are not relevant to development got n950 Jul 07 08:42:53 if you call it enable root access that would make it plainly obvious Jul 07 08:43:01 i should try to apply too =( Jul 07 08:43:12 ZogG: like? Jul 07 08:43:12 later, I'm kinda in a hurry Jul 07 08:43:15 and users should be aware that there is root access not just mode for developers Jul 07 08:43:19 ruskie i bet as you get phone you check every option =) Jul 07 08:43:33 ZogG, when I get the device I try to hack it a lot Jul 07 08:43:48 consider when I got the n900... wasted a week just repartitioning it over and over and over Jul 07 08:44:09 hiemanshu like some guy just to make review coz he owns russian maemo site Jul 07 08:44:16 I decided to not apply for a n950 since I don't really develop stuff... just hack the system to work more to my liking Jul 07 08:44:20 MohammadAG: ssh root@localhost, sudo su stuff doesnt seem to work too good Jul 07 08:44:27 ZogG: from the list? Jul 07 08:44:34 i dunno Jul 07 08:44:35 ZogG: I mean the wiki list? Jul 07 08:44:49 well anyway, I want my email NOW Jul 07 08:44:49 wazd, remember you said about just common guys getting n950? Jul 07 08:45:02 Venemo_N900: so do I :P Jul 07 08:45:03 Venemo_N900 you got approved? Jul 07 08:46:08 next week i grab back my n900 =) Jul 07 08:46:27 yay Jul 07 08:46:37 ZogG, dunno Jul 07 08:46:56 if I won't be happy with a N9 I can always give it to my mom for use Jul 07 08:47:02 she likes shiny things Jul 07 08:47:06 fucking trolls 'A Nokia N950 is not waiting for you' :( Jul 07 08:47:08 hehe Jul 07 08:47:16 hiemanshu, wut? Jul 07 08:47:25 Venemo_N900: trolls Jul 07 08:47:32 Venemo_N900: worst part, wrong email ID :P Jul 07 08:47:33 khertan, did you get any further with a qml text editor? Jul 07 08:47:34 I'm allready starting to hate the missing closebutton Jul 07 08:47:44 lol Jul 07 08:47:46 seriously? Jul 07 08:47:48 gah Jul 07 08:48:04 gief close buttonzzzz back!!! Jul 07 08:48:08 lcuk, hello :) Jul 07 08:48:20 hmm, I've used other mobile phone to charge the battery, still same effect :( Jul 07 08:48:48 thresh, maybe they managed to short something or do some other odd wirring Jul 07 08:48:51 and it wouldnt charge off the wallet charger Jul 07 08:49:13 ruskie: yeah that's what I wonder too. Is there any black magic involved there? I'm not sure the soldering guy knows about N900 Jul 07 08:49:14 lcuk, currently i ve a qtextedit in a qml view using qgraphicsproxywidget, so i've an editable text zone in a flickable area ... Jul 07 08:49:15 can confirm proper charging from standards conforming fastcharger (first raw test) Jul 07 08:49:42 lcuk, with syntax highlighting, indent ... and something Jul 07 08:49:43 \o l8r Jul 07 08:49:47 khertan, nice, does the flicking and text selection work nicely? Jul 07 08:49:52 lcuk, yep :) Jul 07 08:49:56 though how you can mess up the wirring when all you have is a smd usb port and points already there... Jul 07 08:49:58 nice! Jul 07 08:50:05 just need to resolder the stuff back in the same spots Jul 07 08:50:10 khertan, is your code somewhere? Jul 07 08:50:21 lcuk, now the harder part is to build around that a qml interface Jul 07 08:50:24 i will give it a try on 'meego ideapad Jul 07 08:50:32 ruskie: my thoughts exactly Jul 07 08:50:33 to open file Jul 07 08:50:43 lcuk, currently code didn't open any file Jul 07 08:50:47 ok Jul 07 08:50:54 lcuk, but tweeking it a bit it will :) Jul 07 08:50:58 thresh, of course could have used a tad to much solder or such and that caused the short somewhere Jul 07 08:51:07 http://gitorious.org/khteditor branch qml Jul 07 08:51:18 ps setup didn't work :) Jul 07 08:51:22 lcuk, the detachable thingy? Jul 07 08:51:33 ruskie, ? Jul 07 08:51:37 ideapad Jul 07 08:51:44 convertable slate Jul 07 08:51:49 lovely device :) Jul 07 08:51:57 lcuk, if you have idea ... or help to give me on qml to represent and switch fast between multiple opened file with a single window Jul 07 08:51:58 got it at the 2010 Dublin MeeGo conf Jul 07 08:52:04 i 'm open to idea Jul 07 08:52:09 meh Jul 07 08:52:18 hiemanshu :) Jul 07 08:52:27 nah, I need to leave now Jul 07 08:52:32 will be back later Jul 07 08:52:49 lcuk, that's atom right? Jul 07 08:53:00 lcuk, main problem i ve currently is that qml component that are not cross plateform ... so must do everything manually Jul 07 08:53:23 khertan, your old code was not really cross platform either! Jul 07 08:53:31 my old code ? Jul 07 08:53:40 original gtkeditor Jul 07 08:53:45 gtkeditor wasn't Jul 07 08:53:49 i had many maemoisms didn't it? Jul 07 08:53:51 i use khteditor on my pc :) Jul 07 08:53:55 ahh cool Jul 07 08:54:14 * lcuk tried to make a text editor Jul 07 08:54:23 the version 2 in experimental is now abandonned Jul 07 08:54:28 khertan, from scratch! Jul 07 08:54:45 http://liqbase.net/liq.20110621_200232.codebox4.scr.png :D Jul 07 08:54:49 hmm wouldn't a touch frontend for vim be actually usable? Jul 07 08:54:50 i ll try to do a qml for desktop and one for mobile Jul 07 08:55:02 ruskie, ;) Jul 07 08:55:13 lcuk, :) Jul 07 08:55:33 yeah will go poke the solderer guy Jul 07 08:55:57 khertan, many of the rectangles have same issues a pure qml editor would need to handle Jul 07 08:56:38 * khertan miss qwidget ... far away better than qml Jul 07 08:56:48 khertan, pure rectangles (before I added fonts) http://liqbase.net/liq.20110613_221639.codebox.scr.png Jul 07 08:58:08 pure qml editor will probably not doable ... too much memory use Jul 07 08:58:37 and ... it s easier to use qtextedit :) Jul 07 08:58:51 is qml being forced? Jul 07 08:58:56 or just one of the options? Jul 07 08:59:10 ruskie: forced Jul 07 08:59:52 * ruskie hopes that changes Jul 07 08:59:59 one way or another Jul 07 09:00:00 wont Jul 07 09:01:01 hi all Jul 07 09:01:56 ruskie: there is a thread about it, let me find it Jul 07 09:02:20 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3520 Jul 07 09:02:22 ruskie: ^ Jul 07 09:02:50 http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24782&postcount=29 Jul 07 09:03:23 * hiemanshu is out Jul 07 09:03:46 well the main thing I mainly need is a terminal and vim ;) Jul 07 09:04:41 morning Jul 07 09:04:55 Muahahaha Jul 07 09:05:18 I woke up in a cold sweat with premonitions of N950 emails Jul 07 09:05:23 <[DarkGUNMAN]> morning all Jul 07 09:05:32 hmm, still no email and no device on the web page Jul 07 09:05:50 lucky you, I woke up in a cold sweat because im ill as hell :< Jul 07 09:09:19 so everyone moved to meego forum? Jul 07 09:09:24 i think i have account there Jul 07 09:09:54 is meego forum nokia's ? Jul 07 09:10:37 but mostly i like Bunny kicking people Jul 07 09:11:05 * GAN900 doubts there's much chance of going back to sleep. Jul 07 09:11:15 lardman, here? Jul 07 09:12:58 gentlemen, got the mail. Jul 07 09:13:04 <[DarkGUNMAN]> morning! Jul 07 09:13:53 glorious n950 morning ;) Jul 07 09:14:45 so, start hitting F5, cause your mails are soon Jul 07 09:15:34 javispedro, hopefully Jul 07 09:16:09 for now there might be still hope of a friday delivery.. Jul 07 09:16:28 * javispedro reads the nda... Jul 07 09:16:45 javispedro, when were you approved for launchpad - yesterday? Jul 07 09:17:23 yep Jul 07 09:17:50 i now really believe they are being handed out in reverse arrival fashion. Jul 07 09:18:06 javispedro, lol ... even if sent today ... it ll be friday delivery for the next week 's friday Jul 07 09:18:07 :) Jul 07 09:18:23 javispedro, rand rand rand :) Jul 07 09:18:42 ZogG: yep Jul 07 09:18:50 lardman sup Jul 07 09:19:11 got to head to an meeting, but other than that just waiting for my email! Jul 07 09:19:26 bbiab, hopefully this should be a short meeting.... Jul 07 09:19:30 wow Jul 07 09:19:31 * khertan is waiting email, figthing with qml Jul 07 09:19:40 breaking the device = 500 Jul 07 09:19:58 lardman i just wanted to ask somethign about QR Jul 07 09:20:10 khertan morning Jul 07 09:20:19 ZogG, morning Jul 07 09:20:36 javispedro, so is losing it Jul 07 09:20:45 btw goole+ is open for everyone now Jul 07 09:20:52 Whats funny is that is $666 AUD Jul 07 09:21:02 nice number Jul 07 09:21:13 termana: hope the hinge is not as breakable as the n900 usb port Jul 07 09:21:21 wait, you'll pay for the device if you break it? Jul 07 09:21:31 otherwise, nokia is going to get 250*500$ Jul 07 09:21:36 Hurrian, I don't think so, it's just a part of the NDA Jul 07 09:21:40 hmm... get rich quick scheme... Jul 07 09:21:46 heh Jul 07 09:21:48 javispedro ++ Jul 07 09:21:59 termana: not an nda actually, from what I see Jul 07 09:22:09 just generic agreement Jul 07 09:22:19 hopefully they made the slider at least as good as the N97's Jul 07 09:23:29 if the slider breaks though, just tape the halves together ;) Jul 07 09:23:31 I think I am getting closer to figuring out what the vibrator mce plugin does Jul 07 09:23:51 Someone having an n950 or n9 can maybe answer me, did you think doing a multi windows application will be useable ? switching between window will be easy ? like it is on Fremantle ? Jul 07 09:23:53 javispedro: yoh, but I have no 500€ ;-P Jul 07 09:24:19 javispedro: got you rNDA&order? Jul 07 09:24:35 docscrutinizer: yep! order placed. you got tracking #? Jul 07 09:24:40 khertan, did you see the videos? Jul 07 09:24:51 you access it using slide gesture Jul 07 09:24:52 Hurrian, yep ... but a video is a video :) Jul 07 09:24:56 I got http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10131?sort=0 :-D Jul 07 09:25:05 i ll like to get impress of user Jul 07 09:25:05 s Jul 07 09:25:23 docscrutinizer: congrats! Jul 07 09:25:27 when many app are loaded and device not in optimal condition Jul 07 09:25:29 meego needs to be touchscreen ehich sucks Jul 07 09:25:34 docscrutinizer: but you got a tracking # prev? Jul 07 09:25:41 DocScrutinizer, I don't know about in Germany, but if they were to pursue it in court here in Australia that matters not. They can sell personal or real property, garnish your wage, get an instalment order etc. And it costs them basically nothing because it's a small claims matter. Jul 07 09:25:54 (re: not having 500 euro) Jul 07 09:26:04 docscrutinizer: also, how is aegis? it does evil red sparks when you do unathorized stuff? ;) Jul 07 09:26:07 timeless: pong (+17h) Jul 07 09:26:46 hmm, wonder why the hell nokia bothered with aegis security framework if they're really sure that meego is dead Jul 07 09:27:02 javispedro: I just did random clicking (30% unintentional, thanks c-ts) and charging. Hardly anything "anti-aegis" Jul 07 09:27:07 this is as stupid as Symbian Signed Jul 07 09:28:17 WHOUHOU !!! STILL NO EMAIL BUT N950 IN THE LIST !!! Jul 07 09:28:59 Termana: I'm not supposed to handle the device with *special* care - so *if* I get in any trouble, I'm sure I can't find the device anymore, as here's maximum mess ;-P Jul 07 09:29:19 khertan: where to check? :) Jul 07 09:29:44 All I can say is that I envy you guys... I got my rejection notice three days ago. :( Jul 07 09:29:46 probably I forgot to remove the device when I discarded the DHL packaging XP Jul 07 09:29:51 * javispedro ponders whether waking up the G e neral by pingin him or letting him be awakened by his disco ;) Jul 07 09:29:55 ~n950order Jul 07 09:29:55 n950order is probably https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-) Jul 07 09:30:06 "No Programs" Jul 07 09:30:21 alterego, still not approved? Jul 07 09:30:22 * alterego sighs Jul 07 09:30:27 Nope Jul 07 09:30:28 alterego: :( Jul 07 09:30:50 javispedro: better test his disco setup ;-D Jul 07 09:30:50 I wonder how many are left now .. Jul 07 09:30:59 Unexpected error has occured. Please try again. Jul 07 09:31:03 javispedro, thank goodness. I beat you out by about 15 minutes. Jul 07 09:31:10 dammit ! Jul 07 09:31:11 wazd, means yours isn't ready yet Jul 07 09:31:17 GeneralAntilles: XD Jul 07 09:31:22 generalantilles: so how was the disco? Jul 07 09:31:23 mine isn't either Jul 07 09:31:58 Termana: I'm pretty sure I'll have lots of problems with the delivery to my andvanced european country Jul 07 09:31:59 estimated delivery 2 weeks Jul 07 09:32:00 so today is the day where things really get on pace, eh? Jul 07 09:32:01 huhu Jul 07 09:32:03 actually got the mail 48 minutes ago ;) Jul 07 09:32:23 thanks to famous russian customs Jul 07 09:32:31 but was unpacking amazon stuff (they won the bet and shipped and delivered first) Jul 07 09:32:41 javispedro, was in bed, mostly still catatonic at the time. Jul 07 09:32:47 lol Jul 07 09:32:50 bet you ran Jul 07 09:32:59 Woke up at 4:58 and the N900 buzzed at 5. Jul 07 09:33:07 wow, comes with crappy CA-179 Jul 07 09:33:09 Premonition of N950 email and then it was there. Jul 07 09:33:21 that happens Jul 07 09:33:36 i woke up and a minute after amazon guy rings the door Jul 07 09:33:38 * khertan still no email ... but order validated Jul 07 09:33:52 I guess I like my CA-101 (4 now?) way better than CA-179 Jul 07 09:33:53 Amazon dude is early. Jul 07 09:34:42 ah, on a side note, which USB cable did your N900 ship with? Jul 07 09:34:49 i got a really short CA-101D Jul 07 09:35:14 EHH, "SOFTWARE UPDATE 10:49" Jul 07 09:35:21 on lockscreen Jul 07 09:35:27 every n950 screenshot has that message Jul 07 09:35:39 i wonder why nobody ... updates. Jul 07 09:36:06 Anybody remember the Facebook episode of South Park? Jul 07 09:36:21 some green flag next to time in status bar - whatever that means Jul 07 09:36:43 DEVELOPER EDITION Jul 07 09:36:50 In case you didn't realize it Jul 07 09:36:53 docscrutinizar: have you ever used a n900 ? with IM? ;) Jul 07 09:37:20 javispedro: I think it has green dot as a status notifier Jul 07 09:37:21 i wonder why docscrutiniz_a_r is on my dictionary, friggin autocomplete. Jul 07 09:37:34 \o/ software update in "events" screen (or what it's called) Jul 07 09:38:22 sdk-connectivity-tool 0,4.4+0m6 78k Jul 07 09:39:03 "download failed!" ;-P Jul 07 09:39:04 ... now the question ... does it ll take me more time to do qml tool to track my n950 than to get it :) Jul 07 09:39:48 * alterego wonders off Jul 07 09:39:51 does it come with a track number Jul 07 09:39:54 wanders .. Jul 07 09:39:55 "all updates installed" Jul 07 09:40:02 bastards :) Jul 07 09:40:05 wow, OTA SSU seems to work Jul 07 09:40:32 WOOOO Jul 07 09:40:36 email received Jul 07 09:40:50 * javispedro heard yesterday that house md line: "yes, I am a rich bastard, but as long as I'm rich..." ;) Jul 07 09:43:41 ""Energy profiler is a developer tool that enables programmers to optimize software for maximum battery time..." Jul 07 09:43:44 I wonder why I'm still seemingly the last one on the list Jul 07 09:44:21 Ordered Jul 07 09:45:39 alterego, your nickname is too early in the alphabet? Jul 07 09:45:51 GeneralAntilles: what about me? :D Jul 07 09:46:03 GeneralAntilles: mine too? :) Jul 07 09:46:04 wazd, you they just don't like. :P Jul 07 09:46:10 goddamn :) Jul 07 09:46:32 GeneralAntilles: "alterego" is not mentioned in my app, it uses my other name "tswindell" Jul 07 09:46:44 Heh Jul 07 09:46:50 Well, then, you must be in the same boat as wazd. Jul 07 09:47:05 I was in the first group of accepted people, bloody sloooooow. Jul 07 09:47:34 Me too Jul 07 09:47:39 I don't know what their sorting logic is. Jul 07 09:47:52 It seems rather random doesn't it .. Jul 07 09:48:04 I bet there's an issue with the final few. Jul 07 09:48:09 GeneralAntilles, they are obviously using the Sorting Hat because their sorting logic is obviously magical Jul 07 09:48:13 I bet I've fucked something, or something. Jul 07 09:48:21 GeneralAntilles, no logic i think Jul 07 09:48:57 morning all! any news on our beloved "DEVELOPER EDITION" devices? Jul 07 09:48:58 N950INDOR! Jul 07 09:49:19 cpscotti: "No Programs" for me :P Jul 07 09:49:28 * divan got the mail finally. Jul 07 09:52:28 Looks like my post shut that guy up that wants to port symbian to the N900 :D Jul 07 09:52:37 DocScrutinizer, they sent you an email with the tracking number when they sent it didn't they? Jul 07 09:55:11 I bet all IRC messages from n950 will DEVELOPER EDITION look like this Jul 07 09:55:49 Heh Jul 07 09:55:52 My dream of getting it this weekend to hack on has now exploded. :( Jul 07 09:56:03 alterego, well.. I got the launchpad but nooothing further.. hehe.. This wait's getting fun Jul 07 09:56:34 I have never ever before heard of dreams "exploding" Jul 07 09:56:36 but now I have! Jul 07 09:56:39 I think everybody thought it would take "hours" after seeing the name on that list.. a bit nonsense.. but people thought that Jul 07 09:56:55 If I got the launchpad I wouldn't be so edgy, but not having any feedback at all is, well, annoying. Jul 07 09:57:08 cpscotti, alterego: I've been waiting for my n900 for more that half a year :) Jul 07 09:57:14 relax :) Jul 07 09:57:17 xkr47, if you imagine a comic strip with a guy dreaming and the dream inside a tiny ballon/cloud, then exploding makes complete sense :D Jul 07 09:57:38 Well, I said wednesday, and it seems I was very closev as a lot of people got launchpad yesterday. Jul 07 09:57:42 so .. Jul 07 09:58:01 for me I'm thinking two weeks wednesday, when Quim comes back from holiday .. Jul 07 09:58:05 cpscotti, true :) Jul 07 10:01:35 hahaha Jul 07 10:01:36 lalala Jul 07 10:01:39 got an e-mail Jul 07 10:01:48 "A Nokia N950 is waiting for you" Jul 07 10:01:53 You're a bitch Jul 07 10:02:10 * alterego 's eyes start welling up. Jul 07 10:02:18 why????!!!?!?! Jul 07 10:02:24 :) Jul 07 10:02:35 surprisingly there isn't even one on sale at ebay Jul 07 10:02:40 alterego, smile? did you just get it? :p Jul 07 10:02:52 or was that a typo? Jul 07 10:03:03 I guess that had something to with alter ego :) Jul 07 10:03:20 is the email from an *nokia.com domain? Jul 07 10:03:30 dm8tbr, yep Jul 07 10:03:37 * dm8tbr needs to fine tune his pressure horn email rule ;) Jul 07 10:03:37 dm8tbr, no.reply-developer@nokia.com Jul 07 10:03:54 wohoo, e-mail came here too \o/ Jul 07 10:04:26 alterego: http://sadviolin.com/ :) Jul 07 10:04:28 yeah, problem solved Jul 07 10:04:37 poor soldering was the issue Jul 07 10:04:51 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/07/european_patent_office_says_amazon_oneclick_payment_too_obvious_to_patent/ <-- hehe Jul 07 10:04:55 e-mail is from "no.reply-developer@nokia.com" Jul 07 10:04:56 alterego: my soundtrack for this chat :D Jul 07 10:05:18 reading the agreement now.. kinda cool Jul 07 10:05:34 no reverse engineering :)... all that funky stuff Jul 07 10:05:50 500 Euro if you break it Jul 07 10:06:16 yeh.. Jul 07 10:06:24 khertan: that's kinda cheap for exclusive fancy smartphone, especially in russia :) Jul 07 10:06:27 khertan, I went directly to that point Jul 07 10:06:40 if you break it or lose it or get it stolen.. Jul 07 10:06:50 And do not rant about all bugs everywhere as it s preview beta software. and you have all the important terms. So nothing strange Jul 07 10:06:59 wazd, :) Jul 07 10:07:10 wazd, i agree Jul 07 10:07:51 cpscotti, and when order placed ... now wait for delivery tracking number ;) Jul 07 10:08:00 wwoooo, got an e-mail! Jul 07 10:08:06 not from nokia though :( Jul 07 10:08:14 funny enough you can pick "Quantity" in the order page Jul 07 10:08:25 wazd, oh come on dude, I was all excited for you then :( :p Jul 07 10:08:28 I checked .. only one Jul 07 10:09:02 Termana: aw cmon, everybody knows that I'll receive it somday in august :D Jul 07 10:09:30 cpscotti, I was too excited to care about checking if it showed anything more :p Jul 07 10:11:34 Termana, lol! I'm on excited "take care not to do any mistakes" mode.. and that incurs in checking every box, every item.. Jul 07 10:13:30 yay, device ordered :) Jul 07 10:14:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EQ6eHeBrhM Jul 07 10:15:50 wazd, put those sad violins away :p Jul 07 10:17:17 cpscotti, i ve checked too ;) Jul 07 10:17:27 cpscotti, for qtity ;) Jul 07 10:18:09 Termana: I've tried, I just can't :( Jul 07 10:18:11 lardman, :) Jul 07 10:18:11 :) Jul 07 10:19:12 :D Jul 07 10:25:25 anyone got a google+ account? Jul 07 10:25:48 or invite, rather. Jul 07 10:27:29 crashanddie: you can't register there anyway Jul 07 10:28:02 crashanddie: it says "registration is temporary disabled" or something like that Jul 07 10:28:16 I heard that with invites it still worked. Jul 07 10:28:28 nope :( Jul 07 10:28:47 well, not for me, maybe Nokia just told Google not to like me too :D Jul 07 10:33:28 * pavi is bored of all N950 talk .. why don't people talk about maemo 5 or better maemo 6 on N900 ! Jul 07 10:34:55 Hehe) Jul 07 10:35:18 Still works like a charm :) Jul 07 10:35:18 * pavi has just bought an N900 and is excited Jul 07 10:35:57 Congrats :) Jul 07 10:42:10 Maemo6 on N900 is never going to happen Jul 07 10:44:09 that's obvious Jul 07 10:46:39 why ? Jul 07 10:46:44 lack of firmware? Jul 07 10:46:53 No reason you cant make apps using QT that are source compatible with N900/N950/N9 if not binary compatible Jul 07 10:46:56 well mainly because it doesnt exist Jul 07 10:47:28 Maemo6 on N900 would require Nokia to port it Jul 07 10:47:33 something they are not going to d Jul 07 10:47:35 do Jul 07 10:48:38 Yeah heard that nokia is shutting doors Jul 07 10:48:43 nope, they are not Jul 07 10:48:50 They are building Windows Phone 7 handsets Jul 07 10:48:59 and Symbian is far from dead Jul 07 10:49:20 ok, Good News Everyone, with the exception of 1 or 2 functions, cloning the vibrator plugin looks fairly simple to do Jul 07 10:49:27 It should be possible :) Jul 07 10:49:30 Yeah I mean shutting doors for maemo .. /me hated the whole meego story Jul 07 10:51:10 jonwil: meego community edition is not that different than stuff on n9&n950 .. dunno much about ce but basestack should be the same anyway and but its not really a porting process, just compilation issue and propably what nokia wants to do.. Jul 07 10:52:49 unrelated to that.. want to the nokia store yesterday to fix my sons phone and asked about broken usb on n900 .. girl on the counter said "Yeah, just bring it in and we'll send it to factory repairs, it will come back as N8 most cases" :D Jul 07 10:53:11 lol Jul 07 10:53:33 hahaha Jul 07 10:53:39 I think if your N900 has a broken USB, its best to find somewhere that can gaurantee a repair Jul 07 10:53:49 its better to have to pay to get it fixed Jul 07 10:53:55 or DIY Jul 07 10:54:03 diy if you know how yeah Jul 07 10:54:04 the best place to send an n900 in the uk is CPW Jul 07 10:54:06 than to send it in for warranty and get a far inferior phone Jul 07 10:54:21 they still have plenty of them, so can presumably replace them fine if need be Jul 07 10:54:25 The N8 is a pathetic phone Jul 07 10:54:35 i have 3 n900's so im not really in need .. comment was just hilarious. Jul 07 10:54:56 jonwil: with stb shell its comes abit better atleast .. Jul 07 10:55:13 one N900 is all I need and can afford Jul 07 10:55:14 sorry, spb Jul 07 10:55:26 but I dont want it to be replaced with something crap running Symbian Jul 07 10:56:09 you're in luck then, because it gets replaced with something really nice running symbian Jul 07 10:56:23 Anything running Symbian is crap in my eyes :P Jul 07 10:56:24 if it's the symbian bit that's the problem, well, bummer. sell the n8 and buy an n900 Jul 07 10:58:03 hmm fun... just checked at a local online store... 500eur for a new n900... but there are 10 5 star reviews and one 3 star Jul 07 11:01:04 in any case I intend to be as careful at possible to ensure my N900 doesn't get damaged at all Jul 07 11:01:25 In particular, I will not have my N900 plugged into the USB if the phone is anywhere I could bump it or knock it off Jul 07 11:01:42 jonwil, why not just secure the usb port? Jul 07 11:01:54 does that require opening the phone? Jul 07 11:02:05 yes Jul 07 11:02:31 I dont want to open it since its still under warranty and I might need to get it replaced (even if its a N8) should it break in a way that cant be repaired completly Jul 07 11:02:46 i.e. where the only option is replacement Jul 07 11:02:56 ah Jul 07 11:02:58 k Jul 07 11:03:03 <[DarkGUNMAN]> guess i've been lucky mu usb slot has been resilient Jul 07 11:03:26 Bah. You're not a nerd if you're warranty's intact! Jul 07 11:03:29 <[DarkGUNMAN]> screen hasn't weathered so well. need a replacement Jul 07 11:03:42 I've voided my warranty about oh... a half-dozen ways. Jul 07 11:04:06 iirc nokia doesnt bother to check mtd1 Jul 07 11:04:22 Including everything from iverclocking, to opening the device up, to soldering on the board(replacing the RTC battery), etc. Jul 07 11:04:38 aand replacing the screen. Jul 07 11:05:12 hmm, anyone know of the n900's slider mechanism (not the flex) breaking? Jul 07 11:06:00 jonwil: if you let the ruggedizing get done by a certified nokia repair center, then this wouldn't void warranty AIUI Jul 07 11:06:39 Hurrian: Never heard of it happening. Jul 07 11:06:50 Is it possible to emulate multitouch to zoom into a map ? Jul 07 11:06:56 DocScrutinizer , we can have the USB securing done? Jul 07 11:07:05 ...at a Nokia Service Center? Jul 07 11:07:21 pavi , don't like the spin to zoom? Jul 07 11:08:02 nopes Jul 07 11:08:22 too bad, resistive screen in n900 cant do multitouch Jul 07 11:10:06 emulate it ? Jul 07 11:10:11 how? Jul 07 11:10:19 mouse + screen? Jul 07 11:11:14 Hurrian: depends if your service center is willing to do the "repair" Jul 07 11:12:06 Only problem with getting USB port upgrade done at Nokia Care is that A.They probably wouldn't have a clue how to do it or what I am talking about B.Even if they do it, it will cost lots and take lots of time (probably a week or more) Jul 07 11:12:10 Hurrian: if they do, it's 'in name of Nokia' and they for sure won't deny warranty due to this work Jul 07 11:12:26 and I cant be without a phone for that long if I can avoid it Jul 07 11:12:36 in any case I am not worried about my USB port right now Jul 07 11:12:50 ++ , although USB replacement for wobbling USB can be done "in the back" according to the service manual Jul 07 11:12:57 my care point here *could* do it next day Jul 07 11:13:02 hmm, mite b useful to bring in your own part Jul 07 11:13:25 I dont think my care center actually does fixes, just replacements or "send off to somewhere for repair" Jul 07 11:13:30 repair/analysis Jul 07 11:13:49 otoh, can you have the micro-b connector replaced for a OTG-compliant connector? Jul 07 11:14:13 Hurrian: yes Jul 07 11:14:25 you could replace by AB Jul 07 11:14:29 in any case I am not going to do anything to my phone (or have anything done to my phone) unless something doesn' Jul 07 11:14:32 doesn't work Jul 07 11:14:39 and needs to be fixed to get my phone going Jul 07 11:14:39 * alterego sighs Jul 07 11:14:43 "No programs" Jul 07 11:15:11 I'm contemplating pinging quim, before he goes on holiday .. Jul 07 11:15:30 Hurrian: It's possible to sort of emulate multitouch on single-touch devices: When you place one finger somewhere on the screen, then another elsewhere, the cursor will jump half-way between them. You can recognise the jump(as the button's "held down", and then monitor the distance for your gesture. Jul 07 11:15:48 Try opening the paint application, and trying it. Jul 07 11:16:14 place one finger somewhere on the screen, then take the second and touch+move it around, watch the cursor move. Jul 07 11:18:41 anyways, we should probably sticky on the forum: USB Problems? take it to nokia care, it's a problem that doesn't need a light swap as long as the connector hasn't snapped off Jul 07 11:19:06 robbiethe1st: not really working for a true mt replacement Jul 07 11:19:30 No, but it could be used for a psudo-pinch gesture. Jul 07 11:20:05 pinch is especially hard to detect Jul 07 11:20:51 DocScrutinizer, so an AB part with similarly spaced connectors can be used as a drop-in replacement for the N900, without hooking the ID pin to anything? Jul 07 11:21:00 you got no clear data indicator for pinching gesture on a r-ts singletouch Jul 07 11:22:23 yes, as ID is broken anyway, so it's meaningless. Don't expect OTG to magically start working on swapping the receptacle Jul 07 11:22:25 Well, in our case, it would be a matter of saving the touch position(when you first touch), then the jump position. If the current position(as you move it) falls closer to the start position than the jump position, it's a pinch-in. if it's "outside", it's a pinch out. Jul 07 11:23:08 Hurrian: what do you mean by 'not hooking ID to anything'? Jul 07 11:23:15 ID pin Jul 07 11:23:51 yeah pin Jul 07 11:23:58 docscrutinizer , just makes using OTG a lot easier then, using normal OTG cables instead of USB data cable + F-F adapter Jul 07 11:24:00 still nfc Jul 07 11:24:10 yes Jul 07 11:24:29 the ONLY difference Jul 07 11:25:25 alas H-E-N doesn't (yet?) autodetect OTG-A plugs via ID Jul 07 11:27:44 we *could* throw together a daemon that checks the ID sysnode, for the rare cases where somebody managed to actually get ID grounded Jul 07 11:28:16 mostly useless effort Jul 07 11:28:57 usual micro-B plugs don't allow to meddle with ID pin Jul 07 11:29:45 on all datacables ID is not connected Jul 07 11:29:45 hmm, in N9 news, "also it will not be sold in many of Nokia's biggest markets outside of Europe like Brazil, India, Indonesia, Philippines, South Africa etc." Jul 07 11:29:50 >not sold in Philippines Jul 07 11:29:58 oh nokia, what the fuck? Jul 07 11:30:26 you should see WP7 sales here, HTC Mozart, the most heavily promoted WP7 device, is tanking like fuck Jul 07 11:30:33 hehehehe Jul 07 11:30:45 and why is that a surprise really? Jul 07 11:30:52 N8 = super popular, BECAUSE IT HAS 12 MPXLZZZZZZ Jul 07 11:31:18 * ruskie tries not to barf from the MP crap Jul 07 11:31:23 12 Mpiexsl Jul 07 11:31:32 oh, and chinese dual sim crap phones have stopped selling because of the Nokia dual sim phone Jul 07 11:31:35 ;-P Jul 07 11:31:56 nokia has to fucking wake up, and realize that 90% of the population here are Nokia die-hards Jul 07 11:32:13 wooo! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4ouPGGLI6Q Jul 07 11:32:14 i bet some people will flip a huge shit when they buy a nokia phone and it runs WP7 Jul 07 11:32:16 no nokia has to wake up and figure out that wp7 is a lost cause Jul 07 11:32:43 "durr i'm a 50 year old executive, and WTF is this, i have to scroll around to see more text" Jul 07 11:34:08 you just really have to see the amount of cash they're willing to pay to have their Communicators fixed Jul 07 11:34:53 bbl Jul 07 11:36:30 *honk* *honk* *honk* *fanfare* Jul 07 11:36:35 * dm8tbr just got an email :D Jul 07 11:37:17 Nokia needs to realize that its biggest and most important customer base are the people who have been using Nokia handsets since the days when a Nokia handset was a dumbphone with a black & white screen Jul 07 11:39:01 hmpf Jul 07 11:39:20 no device shipped yet, chances of overnight delivery evaporating. Jul 07 11:39:35 jonwil, aka the core audience ;) Jul 07 11:39:43 javispedro, seems like Jaffa's hit the DHL warehouse pretty late. Jul 07 11:39:50 javispedro: have you received some sort of notification? Jul 07 11:40:01 lardman, nope other than order confirmed. Jul 07 11:40:01 DHL thing? Jul 07 11:40:06 same here Jul 07 11:40:09 According to DocScrutinizer we should receier a order sent Jul 07 11:40:09 jonwil : while true, do jonwil++ Jul 07 11:40:45 * lardman crosses fingers it happens today, would be good to have for the weekend Jul 07 11:40:59 symbian basically looks exactly the same as it was on the black + green LED phones Jul 07 11:41:07 left button, messaging Jul 07 11:41:11 right button, contacts Jul 07 11:41:19 center button, menu Jul 07 11:41:45 GeneralAntilles, good to know, but Jaffa is relatively near origin point ;) Jul 07 11:44:31 so, you can't blog about n950? :) Jul 07 11:44:51 wazd, do it anonymously Jul 07 11:44:58 though according to amazon's tracking story it's just 30 minutes from deutschland to spain =) Jul 07 11:45:12 I wonder if they installed a maglev and I didn't notce Jul 07 11:45:26 javispedro, travel time sure... all the extra time... probably not Jul 07 11:45:44 exactly Jul 07 11:45:44 by airplane Jul 07 11:45:48 well Jul 07 11:45:53 even by airplane 30 is too little Jul 07 11:45:59 *fast. Jul 07 11:45:59 it is? Jul 07 11:46:11 there's this country called france in between. Jul 07 11:46:18 some third party reports say it's small Jul 07 11:46:22 but I digress. Jul 07 11:46:38 well aircraft tend to travel at quite a high rate ove movement Jul 07 11:48:10 google says 2h 20 minuts flight time Jul 07 11:48:47 javispedro: hehe Jul 07 11:49:32 indeed I guess it takes at least 45 min from german to spanish air domain Jul 07 11:49:53 not so for LasPalmas Jul 07 11:50:03 javispedro, maybe they are counting from border to border only Jul 07 11:50:11 not take-off to landing Jul 07 11:50:29 ruskie: that's my 45 then Jul 07 11:50:36 2h 20's way too long take off to landing unless its the very north-east of germany to the south-west of spain Jul 07 11:51:19 yes, google seems to be giving a quite conservative estimate.. Jul 07 11:51:22 nid0, or center-center Jul 07 11:51:47 or maybe capital-capital even Jul 07 11:51:49 stansted (north of london) to frankfurt-haahn is less than an hour flight time, germany > spain's not twice that Jul 07 11:53:16 My order has been received :) Jul 07 11:53:29 nid0, according to gmaps is exactly double the mileage Jul 07 11:54:04 london<->frankfurt 643, barcelona<->kln 1120 Jul 07 11:54:20 s/exactly// ;) Jul 07 11:55:07 must be a biplane or something making the trip for google's timing then :) Jul 07 11:57:02 javispedro: as marble miserably fails, I just guess mere distance air to air frontier is lt 900km, so max 1h Jul 07 11:57:11 yer google's timing's well conservative, it lists stn to hhn as 75 minutes rather than 47 Jul 07 11:59:09 GeneralAntilles, reconfigure disco lights for DDP's order sent message! Jul 07 12:06:23 * javispedro realizes that because of the amazon guy he's not had breakfast today, thus the low productivity Jul 07 12:07:16 cya and may the DHL courier bless you. Jul 07 12:07:42 gnagnagna Jul 07 12:07:51 some us weren't nokia-blessed first Jul 07 12:32:30 * jonwil wishes someone would write a map app for the N900 that can do the cool public transport stuff that the new Google Maps app can Jul 07 12:39:54 I would try it except I dont know where I can get the maps data or how to render said maps data Jul 07 12:44:27 * jhb wonders: is there a way to open more then one email at a time in modest? Jul 07 12:45:26 (or have one open for reading while writing a new one?) Jul 07 12:49:33 jhb: no idea. I changed to using claws Jul 07 12:49:43 much more comfortable, IMO Jul 07 12:50:08 if only I could turn all the modest-related shortcuts to claws... Jul 07 12:50:29 hey, anyone using QtMobility/Bluetooth there? Am I the only one that thinks QBluetoothServiceDiscoveryAgent should have an additional constructor? Jul 07 12:53:50 (namely: QBluetoothServiceDiscoveryAgent(const QBluetoothDeviceInfo&, QObject *parent = 0); .. ) Jul 07 12:56:09 Has there been any discussion at all about getting Gnome3 running on N900? Jul 07 13:03:54 gomiam: I like the touch interface of modest a bit better Jul 07 13:04:29 i've been trying to get gnome3 running on easy-debian but i haven't had much success Jul 07 13:05:09 jhb: yes, but dealing with lots of mail is somewhat a pain Jul 07 13:05:29 and... claws has a spam filter IIRC. Jul 07 13:17:46 jhb: in modest? probably not Jul 07 13:18:19 modest completely useless for serious mail processing Jul 07 13:23:01 ~botsnack Jul 07 13:23:02 DocScrutinizer51: thanks Jul 07 13:24:09 DocScrutinizer51: is there a command to determine how hungy infobot is? Jul 07 13:24:31 she's always hungry Jul 07 13:24:36 :D Jul 07 13:28:04 ok, heading home, towards 950 surgery Jul 07 13:28:26 I'm trying to install community SSU but if I click "install testing", HAM only added the repo but nothings more happens. It just sits there. If i try again, it's the same, it just opens HAM and does nothing. Jul 07 13:29:33 errr, the suggested procedure was to close HAM and click on the icon then? Jul 07 13:30:33 DocScrutinizer51: what icon? there's nothing. Jul 07 13:30:35 DocScrutinizer51: valid point about the uselessness, but I haven't found a decent alternative Jul 07 13:30:40 DocScrutinizer51: HAM didn't install anything Jul 07 13:30:59 i just found the abook-dtmf package; i presume the idea is to hold the phone up to a landline's microphone and use it as a speed-dial? Jul 07 13:31:14 DocScrutinizer51: but thx for the info about it not being possible Jul 07 13:31:18 mh. actually, I think it's completely broken, because now there's "no catalogues in use" Jul 07 13:31:20 Shapeshifter: I'm unsure about 'testing' anyway Jul 07 13:31:20 BCMM: it actually works Jul 07 13:31:44 BCMM: only with analog phones though - my dect phones are not interested in dial tones Jul 07 13:31:48 hey, woo N950 shows up on my DDP page Jul 07 13:31:51 DocScrutinizer51: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU that's what it says here Jul 07 13:31:53 GeneralAntilles: everyone done now? Jul 07 13:31:55 thing is, most of my numbers are stored starting +44 rather than 0 (so they work with skype) Jul 07 13:32:07 rm_work, not so far as I can tell. Jul 07 13:32:13 GAN900: ah and there's the email Jul 07 13:32:13 anyone know if starting a UK number with 0044 cause it to be billed as if international? Jul 07 13:32:21 Shapeshifter: ham should install the "community ssu enabler" Jul 07 13:32:34 it takes some time after hitting the install though Jul 07 13:32:46 BCMM: i have a dedicate device to to dtfm signals from way back when ... =) Jul 07 13:33:06 jani: just the regualar keypad, or some extra keys? :) Jul 07 13:33:21 BCMM: there is an option to configure the international prefix Jul 07 13:33:24 anyone else notice "No Reverse Engineering. You may not (or allow others to) disable, disassemble, decompile or reverse engineer the Product or determine the source code of any code that is not delivered to You by Nokia in source code format. You may not (or allow others to) enable any logic or protocols in the Product that are disabled when delivered to You by Nokia. " Jul 07 13:33:28 >_> Jul 07 13:33:31 merlin1991: mh, I reopened HAM and now it seems like it's thinking about something when I hit install. I'll just manually install this enabled Jul 07 13:33:34 *enabler Jul 07 13:33:38 do we just not care? Jul 07 13:33:47 jhb: thanks; where is it? Jul 07 13:33:47 Shapeshifter: ask MohammadAG Jul 07 13:33:54 Shapeshifter: if it doesn come up but you have the repo added, manually install community-ssu-enabler Jul 07 13:33:58 rm_work, that has been discussed here and on the forum Jul 07 13:34:02 k Jul 07 13:34:04 then run it from the launcher and proceed with ham Jul 07 13:34:06 ignore it, agree your life away Jul 07 13:34:09 lol Jul 07 13:34:11 BCMM: contact -> play dtmf -> options Jul 07 13:34:12 k... Jul 07 13:34:28 already agreed not to say anything publicly negative about anything Nokia for 50 years Jul 07 13:34:31 how much worse can it get Jul 07 13:34:37 jhb: oh thanks; i'd looked straight past that button, assuming it was "ok" or something Jul 07 13:34:48 BCMM: been there :-) Jul 07 13:35:04 merlin1991: mh, now it worked Jul 07 13:35:05 rm_work: see my post in forum.meego Jul 07 13:35:10 HAM is just being HAM. Jul 07 13:35:25 jhb: i'm not entirely sure how that helps; though Jul 07 13:35:53 BCMM: I have not confirmed it, but I would bet that it translates the + to e.g. 00 Jul 07 13:36:09 jhb: Indeed, ATM, it's playing 00441..... for a UK phone number starting +441... Jul 07 13:36:33 jhb: what i was wondering is whether that works on a typical BT landline; and also whether it causes it to bill it like an international call Jul 07 13:36:44 GAN900: well I guess it's on its way Jul 07 13:37:02 yay for whatever roll of the dice made mine be today Jul 07 13:37:08 bbl Jul 07 13:37:16 BCMM: no idea about bt, but all it does is replacing your dial pad on the phone. So its the same as a manually dialed called Jul 07 13:37:33 call Jul 07 13:38:28 alterego: Any movement on the Launchpad front? Jul 07 13:38:32 jhb: yes, i know. the problem is that my numbers are stored like +441234 567890, as opposed to the 01234 567890 i would usually dial Jul 07 13:39:08 there is no option to just replace the +44 with a 0; so i'm wondering if 0044 works in the UK, and if it charges normally Jul 07 13:39:58 I guess you can replace the '00' in the options by '0' Jul 07 13:40:00 (numbers are stored that way so they work with skype out, which naturally doesn't understand which country 01234 567890 is supposed to be in) Jul 07 13:40:01 BCMM: ^ Jul 07 13:40:15 01***, +441*** and 00441**** are all the same, makes no difference whatsoever which you dial while in the uk Jul 07 13:40:17 jhb: yes, but then it would be 0441234 567890 Jul 07 13:40:45 nid0: thanks. was just slightly worried that they might bill it as if international or something Jul 07 13:41:01 also, isn't + just a shorthand for "whatever your country uses to mean international"? Jul 07 13:41:02 BCMM: I finally understand your issue, and I agree with nid0 Jul 07 13:41:11 sorry for explaining it badly Jul 07 13:41:34 BCMM, yeah + is just a replacement for (in the uk) 00, they function the same Jul 07 13:42:24 anyway, this could actually be really useful. thanks for the explanation Jul 07 13:44:15 BCMM: sorry for being slow to understand. But I agree, seems to be useful Jul 07 13:46:35 disobey the legislators and the bureaucrats Jul 07 13:58:37 DocScrutinizer51: having trouble finding the post you referred to Jul 07 14:01:24 btw, do i remember right that for diablo or chinook there was also fm broadcast application that was done by community ? Jul 07 14:01:46 no, n8x0 did not have an FM transmitter Jul 07 14:01:56 or do you mean just an FM Radio app? Jul 07 14:03:58 maybe .. just remembering that there was some sort of easter again for fm stuff with tables and not sure if it was receiver ot broadcaster ;) Jul 07 14:04:07 hi all Jul 07 14:04:22 I remeber someone here said - they use gentoo Jul 07 14:04:35 I seek to install xen to get scratchbox Jul 07 14:04:44 can anyone lend a hand? Jul 07 14:04:52 jani: there are some things around to overcome intentional limitations of the fmtx, if that's what you mean Jul 07 14:04:58 i've only done Xen on Debian Squeeze Jul 07 14:05:18 there's a tool to enable it on harware where it is disabled, and another tool to transmit at a higher power than it is supposed to do Jul 07 14:05:33 : do you ue lvm? Jul 07 14:05:48 cityLights: why do you need xen for scratchbox? Jul 07 14:05:48 to get a seperate vol for each domU? Jul 07 14:06:01 yes but i kind of just stumbled through a guide for the initial setup :/ Jul 07 14:06:06 don't think i'd be much help in that area Jul 07 14:06:10 cityLights: i run scratchbox on gentoo without using any kind of VM Jul 07 14:06:20 those are for n900 right ? Jul 07 14:06:21 Ihi BCMM Jul 07 14:06:32 right , Jul 07 14:06:34 yeah, the scratchbox stuff just sits in a folder on your OS... don't need a VM... Jul 07 14:06:37 (well, there is the processor emulation used in scratchbox to run ARM binaries, but other than that) Jul 07 14:06:54 I want to build for my n900 and prefer to use a domU Jul 07 14:07:12 cityLights: yeah, scratchbox doesn't emulate a full os with a kernel and so on; it's just regular processes running in a chroot Jul 07 14:07:37 cityLights: (except that some of those processes may actually be ARM binaries executed using user-mode qemu) Jul 07 14:08:25 cityLights: wait, you want to install ubuntu or something in a VM and run scratchbox on that? Jul 07 14:09:05 i use that when on Win32 Jul 07 14:09:16 Ubuntu in VirtualBox Jul 07 14:09:28 then run scratchbox inside.. Jul 07 14:09:34 cityLights: am i correct in thinking that your end goal is to run scratchbox, in order to compile stuff for the n900? Jul 07 14:10:30 right Jul 07 14:10:41 but , I have other causes Jul 07 14:10:50 cityLights: if i were you; i'd just install scratchbox on gentoo. would you like to know how? Jul 07 14:11:15 not now BCMM Jul 07 14:11:20 ok Jul 07 14:11:32 i should really write it down somewhere actually Jul 07 14:11:39 so did anyone install xen and can help me with that? Jul 07 14:12:00 BCMM: can one emerge scrachbox on gentoo? Jul 07 14:12:01 after I build the dom0 kerenl - I am unable to boot it Jul 07 14:12:09 yes, he did Jul 07 14:12:15 merlin1991: pretty much; yes Jul 07 14:12:22 I think he also , published the ebuilds Jul 07 14:12:34 merlin1991: what i did was basically http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#On_x86_and_x86_64_Debian-based_systems with a few modifications Jul 07 14:12:39 worked fine Jul 07 14:12:43 i should document it properly Jul 07 14:12:52 assuming I missed the N9 dev application by 12 hr, then emailed Jul 07 14:13:00 may I still get a N950? Jul 07 14:13:11 BCMM: just add a section about gentoo on that wiki page Jul 07 14:13:23 pls Jul 07 14:13:38 merlin1991: don't know why i didn't think of that when i first did it. probably nervous about editing the wiki Jul 07 14:14:22 fiferboy: have you got an e-mail? Jul 07 14:15:41 wazd: I got it this morning Jul 07 14:15:49 fiferboy: cool :) Jul 07 14:15:56 wazd: What about you? Jul 07 14:16:31 fiferboy: yep, me too. Though I don't have any tracking numbers to drool on yet :D Jul 07 14:17:16 wazd: No, me neither. Jul 07 14:17:19 merlin1991: are you a gentoo user wanting to install scratchbox? would be be prepered to test my instructions if i write them up? Jul 07 14:17:36 I'm not looking forward to its trip through the over-zealous Canadian Customs, though Jul 07 14:17:51 BCMM: I was a gentoo user, I was only wondering if you could simply emerge it or if there was some more black magic needed Jul 07 14:18:45 I was able to emerge Scratchbox Jul 07 14:18:47 fiferboy: oh yeah, almost same as russian. Except that russian costom is searching for anything to steal Jul 07 14:18:52 but you need to unmask the right bits Jul 07 14:23:27 merlin1991: about as much black magic as the manual debian instructions i linked Jul 07 14:23:50 replace apt-get with emerge (and packages are slightly differently named) Jul 07 14:24:16 and then gentoo doesn't need a group created becuase the ebuild does it; but it does need an init script added to the default runlevel Jul 07 14:26:52 wazd: That is worse. Canadian are just looking for anything to tax Jul 07 14:27:39 Jaffa: have you disabled background data at all on your n950? it annoyingly pops up the internet connection screen after every wakeup Jul 07 14:36:18 it's really funny the N950 doesn't react at all to doubletap when laying flat on a desk. You'd need to tap *hard* to make the accelerometer detect it ;-D Jul 07 14:36:44 hmhm, but on capacitive it doesn't matter how hard you tap, does it? Jul 07 14:37:07 it doesn't use capacitive quite obviously Jul 07 14:38:42 hey! Jul 07 14:39:02 I got an e-mail: "A Nokia N950 is waiting for you!" Jul 07 14:39:09 <[DarkGUNMAN]> afternoon Venemo_N900 Jul 07 14:39:35 and a "Your order has been received" Jul 07 14:39:48 anyone here know anything about /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_vibra/pulse or how it works? Jul 07 14:40:01 Or where I can find out what the driver behind it does with the numbers? Jul 07 14:41:30 btw, good to hear that those waiting eagerly for news on their N950s have mostly gotten the news they were waiting for Jul 07 14:42:26 hrm, n950 I thought was going to be capacative? for multitouch? Jul 07 14:43:40 rm_work, yeah, methinksso Jul 07 14:47:36 sure Jul 07 14:47:49 s[2011-07-07 16:32:17] it's really funny the N950 doesn't react at all to doubletap when laying flat on a desk. You'd need to tap *hard* to make the accelerometer detect it ;-Dure Jul 07 14:48:46 DocScrutinizer, how do you like it so far? Jul 07 14:48:59 the funny part however is that doubletapping with e.g a pencil also doesn't unlock Jul 07 14:49:09 DocScrutinizer: its not accelerometer based afaik ;) Jul 07 14:49:30 DocScrutinizer: doubletapping *soft* when its on a desk unlocks it just fine Jul 07 14:49:39 frals: so why does it not react at all when laying flat on table? Jul 07 14:49:45 soft as in barely making contact with the screen Jul 07 14:49:53 sounds like you got a broken one Jul 07 14:49:54 DocScrutinizer: it does for me Jul 07 14:49:55 not here Jul 07 14:50:01 hmm Jul 07 14:50:06 macmaN: I've not disabled it, nor do I get that screen everytime. But I *usually* have a connection - e.g. wifi or 3G Jul 07 14:50:27 as soon as I lift it a itsy bit so it can *move* on tap it unlocks Jul 07 14:50:47 frals: your table has a cloth? Jul 07 14:50:49 :-D Jul 07 14:51:01 DocScrutinizer: nope, its my hydraulic work desk ;-) Jul 07 14:51:08 yours's naked? perv! Jul 07 14:51:10 weird Jul 07 14:51:43 DocScrutinizer: maybe your finger is just incompatible with the touchscreen ;-) Jul 07 14:52:01 docscrutinizer: couldn't find the meego forums post you referenced about the nokia dev license Jul 07 14:52:18 there's sth weird going on with touchpad Jul 07 14:52:31 it needs the contact from other hand to case Jul 07 14:52:48 docscrutinizer, have you tried deactivating it with something other than what the capacitive display can detect? Jul 07 14:53:03 frals: your workbench conducting? Jul 07 14:53:18 DocScrutinizer: uh, i hope not :D Jul 07 14:53:58 its some kind of standard issue tree desktop top i guess Jul 07 14:54:01 well, I definitely need to *hold* the device with my other hand, otherwise touch not detected Jul 07 14:54:28 Doc, are you on da latest sw? Jul 07 14:54:30 id put it on my rubbercover here but then its gonna start moving around Jul 07 14:54:37 flux: [2011-07-07 16:44:57] the funny part however is that doubletapping with e.g a pencil also doesn't unlock Jul 07 14:55:15 kill the stupid capacitive screen... sucks when your phone is in a holder on the car dash... Jul 07 14:55:27 docscrutinizer, it could always be a combination, if the accelerometer is cheaper to keep on than the capacitive display. Jul 07 14:55:37 and only reacts when it wants to.. :) Jul 07 14:55:40 DocScrutinizer: i remember there have been issues with doubletap not being quite as accurate as one would wish in earlier builds thou Jul 07 14:55:52 flux: that's what I thought first Jul 07 14:56:05 and i guess the build you have is 22-6 it might have been there Jul 07 14:57:13 sth weird is going on with this doubletap-unlock Jul 07 14:57:31 none of my initial assumptions holds true Jul 07 15:00:13 anyway N950 is definitely MONO Jul 07 15:00:44 mono? Jul 07 15:00:45 I.E. *one* speaker (though admittedly a good sounding one) Jul 07 15:00:50 ah, mono Jul 07 15:00:51 :) Jul 07 15:01:13 stereo on a device which is like 10cm large doesn't make much sense anyway Jul 07 15:01:31 I discovered yesterday that you can actually get a not-useless stereo sound from the n900 Jul 07 15:01:34 always my take on it as well, Corsac Jul 07 15:01:37 Place it on top of your head. Jul 07 15:01:58 SpeedEvil: I did that, indeed Jul 07 15:02:00 :-D Jul 07 15:02:08 and thus was top-listening invented Jul 07 15:02:17 while kaying in bed on my back Jul 07 15:02:20 SpeedEvil: with or without pancake? Jul 07 15:02:21 laying Jul 07 15:02:51 (and rabbit) Jul 07 15:03:23 aegis:: developer mode disabled and re-enabled without flaws Jul 07 15:03:27 without reboot Jul 07 15:03:31 strange Jul 07 15:04:07 I guess even the developer mode has different modes, and generally isn't as open as you'd think it is Jul 07 15:04:31 it's *not* like developer mode would make aegis lose control of device Jul 07 15:05:03 I wonder where's the friggin x-term Jul 07 15:05:42 quite obviously not in standard set op app icons - or I'm blind Jul 07 15:06:11 Doc - x-term is not shipped with the default image. You have to install it. I donno from where. Jul 07 15:06:36 There is 'terminal' - in all of the RDA phones Jul 07 15:07:28 indeed - I'm blind Jul 07 15:08:18 i wonder if there is fingernail polish i could wear that would make my fingernails work with capacative screens Jul 07 15:08:38 rm_work: yes Jul 07 15:08:47 i hope it isn't super shiny T_T Jul 07 15:09:00 where do i get this, and will i look ridiculous wearing it? >_> Jul 07 15:09:08 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Conductive-silver-glue-paint-/110708855088?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19c6c31130 Jul 07 15:09:14 FSCK, silver, lol Jul 07 15:09:20 oh Jul 07 15:10:02 omg even worse, it's glittery silver Jul 07 15:10:26 (looks like, hard to tell) Jul 07 15:12:47 maybe a narrow line in the interior of the fingernail would do :) Jul 07 15:14:18 The CSSU is pretty cool. nice job. Jul 07 15:14:50 derf: thanks Jul 07 15:16:15 timeless: hey Jul 07 15:16:47 <[DarkGUNMAN]> CSSU is just missing portrait desktop as a miain feature now Jul 07 15:16:48 you seem to reliably ping when I'm in the work-to-home void ;) Jul 07 15:18:21 h3h Jul 07 15:18:32 is this a good time for better ping-pong? Jul 07 15:18:43 * timeless still hasn't mastered the kinesis keyboard.. Jul 07 15:18:53 sp3000: so... can i get you to adopt mxr.meeg? Jul 07 15:20:46 I'm not sure I can make any guarantees but I suppose I could poke at it from time to time if fires break out Jul 07 15:21:41 now would be a good time Jul 07 15:21:49 i'm told that certain things aren't updating Jul 07 15:22:04 and yeah, you shouldn't need to poke at it regularly, just occasional fires Jul 07 15:22:10 yeah, I saw some mail Jul 07 15:22:20 if you could jump into the loop, that'd be great Jul 07 15:22:23 thanks :) Jul 07 15:22:30 is the loop on fire? Jul 07 15:22:31 have you been on proper vacation? Jul 07 15:22:47 well, someone threatened to decomission the system if an owner didn't appear Jul 07 15:22:54 that'd be like the box getting fired.. Jul 07 15:23:21 I vacation in about two weeks Jul 07 15:24:08 anything special planned? Jul 07 15:24:13 * timeless needs to find some specs to read Jul 07 15:24:18 never :) Jul 07 15:25:20 * timeless chuckles Jul 07 15:25:38 * timeless wonders if anyone has told Google that news.google.com [us edition] crashes ie10preview2 Jul 07 15:28:17 ok, it's definitely the youtube previews and not fastflip Jul 07 15:33:02 oddly, "Spotlight Video" plays for a bit Jul 07 15:34:36 DocScrutinizer, what was the timeline of your order placement and shipping notification? Jul 07 15:35:56 http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201107/daredevil-squirrel-performs-ultimate-lambo-leap Jul 07 15:37:39 DocScrutinizer51: no delivery yet? Jul 07 15:38:26 http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10131?sort=0 Jul 07 15:39:29 network timeout :/ Jul 07 15:39:40 DocScrutinizer: Was there a long time between the "Your order has been received" and the "Your order has been sent" emails? Jul 07 15:40:16 2h Jul 07 15:40:47 Thanks Jul 07 15:41:45 fiferboy, wonder whose got shipped today. Jul 07 15:42:37 i may have been like an hour too late Jul 07 15:42:39 mine not since the "order has been received" email was at 15:14 (fi time) Jul 07 15:42:40 :( Jul 07 15:43:25 12:04 here. Jul 07 15:43:36 no order has been sent Jul 07 15:43:51 was i like the last one here to actually order it? lol Jul 07 15:44:18 GeneralAntilles: Maybe yours will be the one they ship tomorrow Jul 07 15:44:28 Makes it all a little irrelevant. Jul 07 15:44:35 rm_work: Mine was ordered at about the same time Jul 07 15:44:49 GAN900: safe? Jul 07 15:45:07 Never safe. No, never safe. Jul 07 15:45:21 meh, Nuernberg is known Jul 07 15:45:30 otherwise... safe? Jul 07 15:46:37 otoh who cares about a finished obsolete DHL tracking Jul 07 15:46:57 :) Jul 07 15:47:54 GeneralAntilles: did you see http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-07-07-caylee-anthony-petition_n.htm?csp=34news ? Jul 07 15:48:11 I bet you all prefer tracking your own package Jul 07 15:48:24 timeless, ugh. Jul 07 15:48:28 More laws. Just what we need. Jul 07 15:48:47 the notification from DHL about the tracking number took quite some time after Nokia said "shipped" Jul 07 15:48:47 you mean you don't support 1 new law for each person who dies in the USA? Jul 07 15:48:50 You know your rights are in danger when people name laws after dead kids. Jul 07 15:49:03 on an n8x0, have diablo on int flash and chinook on external sd. product info no longer reports version info when i boot chinook. is there a way to correct this? Jul 07 15:49:06 DocScrutinizer, Nokia still says "New Order". Jul 07 15:49:15 :-( Jul 07 15:49:46 GeneralAntilles: I had to open the original order confirmation URL, from my browser history Jul 07 15:49:55 Maybe they send out a huge batch at the end of the day and haven't updated the status Jul 07 15:49:56 I wish more delivery firms were like dpd, only decent parcel delivery service in the uk tbh Jul 07 15:50:01 * fiferboy is thinking wishfully Jul 07 15:50:24 anyway the mails from nokia were "instant" Jul 07 15:50:52 hah, wishful thinking Jul 07 15:51:03 i'm sure this has come up before, anyone here know the why and the how to correct on this issue? Jul 07 15:51:07 gentlemen, I am already with the idea that no device this weekend .. Jul 07 15:51:48 ordered at 11:26 ... still not sent :) Jul 07 15:52:48 btw, orderd my N950 Jul 07 15:53:00 khertan: you too? Jul 07 15:53:04 Just had an email from quim, they can't find me on the developer site, #win Jul 07 15:53:06 there is now way to verify status ? Jul 07 15:53:14 alterego, lol Jul 07 15:53:18 alterego: lol sad Jul 07 15:53:49 guys, quick UX test. What's better this: http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/1107/82/dba5742921db.png Jul 07 15:53:51 this dev site look like a crappy bulk of small development collapsed with some microsoft glue Jul 07 15:54:00 khertan: they would usually do it first thing in the morning tomorro Jul 07 15:54:01 * javispedro blames alterego, surely due to his problem he has been distracting the launchpad clerck and thus no shippings this afternoon. Jul 07 15:54:03 tomorrow* Jul 07 15:54:06 or this? http://i041.radikal.ru/1107/05/1a89873ae7e0.png Jul 07 15:54:27 toolbar Jul 07 15:54:27 wazd, ... hum ... i think i really need your help to help me design khteditor :) Jul 07 15:54:47 Heh, yeah, the whole of Nokia is trying to sort out my account now :P sorry Jul 07 15:54:59 wazd, i prefer the first Jul 07 15:55:03 A Nokia N950 is waiting for you-2011-07-06 08:58 Your order has been received-2011-07-06 10:33 Your order has been sent-2011-07-06 12:43 Ticket for order OID-0527-From:"joan.bondad@nokia-2011-07-06 12:44 DHL Intraship - Shipment notification-FROM:"joan.bondad@nokia-"joan.bondad@nokia Jul 07 15:55:12 wazd, firsr one imo Jul 07 15:55:19 wazd, faster with less click ... and i didn't like menu in toolbar Jul 07 15:55:22 wazd, iphone-style tabs ( ;) ) not only seem to be more useful but alsomandated by swipe guidelines Jul 07 15:55:36 khertan: don't you think it will be hard to tap on tabs on the n900? Jul 07 15:55:45 wazd: can you gaurantee you'll never have > 3 items at the bottom? Jul 07 15:55:57 and are you concerned about localization issues? Jul 07 15:55:57 wazd, not specially ... look at khweeteur it s work well Jul 07 15:56:02 timeless: that's why there's "more" button on the right :) Jul 07 15:56:04 ....2011-07-06 14:31 Jul 07 15:56:09 wazd, the harder is the slider Jul 07 15:56:26 wazd: oddly, the drop down list is likely to fail more often Jul 07 15:56:31 wrt internationalization Jul 07 15:56:34 wazd, the tabs. Jul 07 15:56:39 meh! Jul 07 15:56:43 because the text there can easily be longer, and due to its larger font Jul 07 15:56:45 Venemo_N900: nothing yet? Jul 07 15:56:48 GeneralAntilles: and you? Jul 07 15:56:52 it'll run out of space faster Jul 07 15:56:59 hiemanshu, ordered, no shipment notification Jul 07 15:57:01 DocScrutinizer: yours was shipped right away? Jul 07 15:57:04 GeneralAntilles: ah same here Jul 07 15:57:12 iow, tabs are better Jul 07 15:57:12 DocScrutinizer, local time or Finnish time? Jul 07 15:57:17 timeless, wazd , icon is enough ... no need text Jul 07 15:57:18 local Jul 07 15:57:31 GeneralAntilles: I orderd mine about an hour back, wonder if it will ship today or tomorrow Jul 07 15:57:33 so -1 to finish Jul 07 15:57:35 GeneralAntilles i recall your nick from way back...any suggestions for me? Jul 07 15:57:37 er +1? Jul 07 15:57:41 hiemanshu, they received my order an hour ago Jul 07 15:57:48 khertan: that's another story Jul 07 15:57:49 the meh was for something else Jul 07 15:57:53 timeless, :) Jul 07 15:57:55 finnish* Jul 07 15:57:59 mancha, N8x0-era stuff is all gone from my brain. Jul 07 15:58:05 but yeah, if back and more don't have text Jul 07 15:58:12 then you probably shouldn't stick text in for the others Jul 07 15:58:14 Venemo_N900: ah nice Jul 07 15:58:24 khertan: sure about labels? :) Jul 07 15:58:28 wazd: fwiw, friends should be 2 or 3 heads, not one Jul 07 15:58:35 GA, who here still runs stuff from the jurassic period then?! :) Jul 07 15:58:38 I was able to get my money back for my faulty HDD (that I purchased this morning) Jul 07 15:58:44 and news might be better as a newspaper icon Jul 07 15:58:52 So, N950 waiting email was received at 11:56 (Finnish), Order Placed at 12:04 Jul 07 15:58:56 No further communication. Jul 07 15:59:16 but, all the shops here close at 17:00 (as if life just stopped at that time), so I couldn't get another one! Jul 07 15:59:22 GeneralAntilles, same here Jul 07 15:59:23 I received "waiting for you" an hour after ordering - like all mails from nokia ... Jul 07 15:59:28 timeless: yeah, these are just placeholders stolen from swipe UX doc :) Jul 07 15:59:36 gri, also :)= Jul 07 15:59:44 wazd: sure Jul 07 15:59:50 GeneralAntilles: I got mine, 15 mins after I left home fed up of doing the F5 shit, that was about noon .fi time Jul 07 16:00:20 does qwerty still come here? Jul 07 16:00:21 so I guess they'll ship it next week? Jul 07 16:00:28 Venemo_N900: tomorrow? Jul 07 16:00:40 hiemanshu, at friday? Jul 07 16:00:42 also hidden "online only" switch at the top seems neat to me but I don't know how to initialy introduce it to the user Jul 07 16:00:50 Venemo_N900: why not? Jul 07 16:00:52 maybe some animation sequene Jul 07 16:00:53 mancha, he rage-quit. Jul 07 16:00:54 ce* Jul 07 16:01:02 woah Jul 07 16:01:10 hiemanshu, so you think we'll get it tomorrow? Jul 07 16:01:18 wazd: i'm not sure i see value in it Jul 07 16:01:26 Venemo_N900: no shipping tomorrow, so it will arrive by monday Jul 07 16:01:26 if you're already sorting by online status, then who cares? Jul 07 16:01:38 Venemo_N900: or if the place its being sent to works on saturdays Jul 07 16:01:42 what raged him? Jul 07 16:01:49 if you aren't sorting by online status, then what are you sorting on, and why? Jul 07 16:02:05 timeless: well, I was thinking about alphabet order instead Jul 07 16:02:09 mancha, Nokia, I guess. Jul 07 16:02:14 hah Jul 07 16:02:24 wazd: the n900 let me choose Jul 07 16:02:26 hiemanshu, I'm not sure if DHL works on weekends. Jul 07 16:02:26 ok, thanks, will try here some other time. Jul 07 16:02:46 but roughly, i'm probably going to want to care about online status only if i want to sort by it Jul 07 16:02:58 otherwise if i want alphabetic order, i don't want people appearing/disappearing as i go Jul 07 16:03:04 Venemo_N900: friday is not a weekend Jul 07 16:03:06 timeless: between status and alphabet? Jul 07 16:03:09 iow there's no reason to hide offline users Jul 07 16:03:14 Venemo_N900: and they work on weekends, just no delivery Jul 07 16:03:23 because if you sort by online status, then the offline people are at the bottom (generally out of view) Jul 07 16:03:23 Venemo_N900: atleast in India they do Jul 07 16:03:27 hiemanshu, http://forum.notebookreview.com/dell/157332-does-dhl-deliver-saturday.html Jul 07 16:03:29 and otherwise, they're with everyone else Jul 07 16:03:33 timeless: well, there is if you have zillion of users Jul 07 16:03:34 which is where they should be Jul 07 16:03:39 hiemanshu, so what are they doing? if no delivery? Jul 07 16:03:44 wazd: i only have 1000 Jul 07 16:03:47 it's never been a problem Jul 07 16:03:52 Venemo_N900: moving between airports and warehouses Jul 07 16:03:55 timeless: my IM contact list has offline users hidden :) Jul 07 16:04:20 hiemanshu, but no deliveries... damn. Jul 07 16:04:22 wazd: my AIM list 15 years ago had a group for offline which i could expand/collapse Jul 07 16:04:24 timeless: heh :) Jul 07 16:04:25 if you want to do: Jul 07 16:04:32 Venemo_N900: in India they work even sundays yeah Jul 07 16:04:36 Jul 07 16:04:38 Cutoff might be 12:00 for outgoing orders. Jul 07 16:04:41 Jul 07 16:04:46 Jul 07 16:04:50 Jul 07 16:04:52 feel free Jul 07 16:04:59 there's minimal harm in that Jul 07 16:05:06 a single widget at the top of the list otoh is harmful Jul 07 16:05:06 Hrm, although if this guy's in Poland: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Kdrozd - Device Ordered - 6.7.2011 13:45: Last Status: Device Sent to Customer 6.7.2011 13:45 . . . Jul 07 16:05:09 GeneralAntilles: true, well will have my monday so YAY! Jul 07 16:05:15 making me scroll all the way to the top of my online list Jul 07 16:05:21 just to unhide a list at the bottom Jul 07 16:05:23 is ... stupid Jul 07 16:05:44 timeless: maybe you're right :) Jul 07 16:06:03 i'm just noting how AIM/ICQ did things years ago Jul 07 16:06:09 their ui designers weren't wrong Jul 07 16:06:34 so the DHL india site tells me the delivery is by end of the next day Jul 07 16:06:37 (their corporate people otoh chose to be bought/sold a couple of times, which was a different problem)( Jul 07 16:07:33 hiemanshu, next BUSINESS day, usually. Jul 07 16:07:48 GeneralAntilles: in India, saturday is a business day Jul 07 16:07:58 GeneralAntilles: so if its ships tomorrow, I should have it by saturday Jul 07 16:08:14 timeless: I'm not sure if Swipe UX has such thig as collapsable group Jul 07 16:08:17 hiemanshu, so if nokia sends the device tomorrow, I'll get it monday. since it's international shipping, that may be tuesday. Jul 07 16:08:28 one last thing before I head out: you asked how I like it - well, no app close :-(. No uSD slot :-(. 8GB MyDocs :-( I feel like I could fall in love with kbd and don't like capacitive ts, invariably. No text highlight and c&p anywhere (well that's probably prone to change as this is PROTOTYPE) Jul 07 16:08:29 wazd: note sure what Swipe is Jul 07 16:08:32 hiemanshu: they always say a week, but it's usually next day if ordered before 3pm Jul 07 16:08:32 s/note/not/ Jul 07 16:08:32 timeless meant: wazd: not sure what Swipe is Jul 07 16:08:43 but generally most things do have such a widget Jul 07 16:08:54 it's basically a section header which is tappable Jul 07 16:09:03 DocScrutinizer, so it's a dislike so far? Jul 07 16:09:04 alterego: yes, since I ordered it around 6PM .fi time, It will be shipped tomorrow, and I should it by saturday or monday Jul 07 16:09:10 if it doesn't have it, you can cheat and do: Jul 07 16:09:12 mostly Jul 07 16:09:17