**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 12 02:59:57 2011 Jul 12 03:00:59 * arvut wonders what could cure fever, cept those pills.. Jul 12 03:04:59 Time to peer into the abys (otherwise known as the QT source tree) Jul 12 03:09:10 the void! Jul 12 04:28:28 ok, looks like I need to write some more logging code to attach to various signals and dump stuff Jul 12 04:28:40 What're you trying now? Jul 12 04:28:46 This is related to CBSMS Jul 12 04:28:54 ah Jul 12 04:28:55 and then go on another odyssey to hit as many cells as possible Jul 12 04:29:39 Exploring libcellular-qt from Harmattan didnt help me understand whats going on Jul 12 04:57:57 Need to log various cell tower related messages from the Phone.Net dbus interface :) Jul 12 06:08:44 Still, my order is on "New Order" hope it changes today, really kinda wanted it to demo tomorrow. Jul 12 06:12:30 alterego: everyone is hoping for that Jul 12 06:31:20 alterego, mine was sent yesterday, so u can expect it any minute to be sent. Jul 12 06:32:28 divan: what was your OID number? Jul 12 06:32:58 hiemanshu, want to hijack? :) Jul 12 06:33:38 divan: naah, just an idea how many they processesd Jul 12 06:33:40 hiemanshu, 0527xx :) Jul 12 06:34:12 ah so you are from the 7xx Jul 12 06:34:17 some from the 92x got one too Jul 12 06:34:22 hiemanshu, yep Jul 12 06:34:24 so I guess its just random picking Jul 12 06:37:12 I'm 529xx Jul 12 06:38:00 I am 887 Jul 12 06:38:01 something Jul 12 06:38:56 Well, mine should probably ship today then, cool. Jul 12 06:40:03 well hoping it does :D Jul 12 06:40:07 yours and mine Jul 12 06:40:52 if it ships today, I'll have it by thursday or something Jul 12 06:40:58 so I can demo it on friday Jul 12 06:44:08 anyone know the wifi chipset on the N950? Jul 12 07:31:21 there is #harmattan? Jul 12 07:31:44 did yall figure out what channel shall be the authoritative one for n950 Jul 12 07:34:35 macmaN: haven't figured out the channel yet, but maybe we could register one and add it to the topic? we'll have to wait to hear from the council or something like that Jul 12 07:44:15 more people getting on aegis slowly http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?226594-Running-console-apps-on-n950-Operation-not-permitted Jul 12 07:56:54 -sigh- Jul 12 07:57:02 why doesn't nokia want me as a customer? Jul 12 07:57:09 what have i done to upset them? :( Jul 12 08:00:52 kerio: hah, same here :P Jul 12 08:01:21 well its barely 11am, so lets just wait :( Jul 12 08:01:45 Mornig, all Jul 12 08:01:53 DocScrutinizer: Feel free to add your own info to the wiki :-) Jul 12 08:02:16 morning, and OK Jul 12 08:02:46 morning DocScrutinizer Jaffa Jul 12 08:03:10 DocScrutinizer: So you got one? Jul 12 08:04:01 yes Jul 12 08:04:08 Any good? Jul 12 08:04:17 no Jul 12 08:04:19 Sadly I think I'll have to hope one shows up on eBay :/ Jul 12 08:04:32 vs N900 though? Jul 12 08:04:50 I prefer my N900 every single day Jul 12 08:05:06 DocScrutinizer, what's wrong with it? Jul 12 08:05:12 Oh, OK, cool. Thanks. That makes me feel better :P Jul 12 08:05:39 I don't think I want the 9 - not much use without a keyboard Jul 12 08:08:19 Arkenoi: for now it got aegis, and no xchat Jul 12 08:08:40 and a c-ts that's really useless for me Jul 12 08:09:10 aegis? and why xchat does not work there? Jul 12 08:10:06 it's probably not that xchat doesn't work, it's just I don't even bother to do a apt-cache search as I already know the result Jul 12 08:10:07 capacitive sucks for sure Jul 12 08:12:35 moo all Jul 12 08:12:41 Hos is suffering today? Jul 12 08:14:51 worse Jul 12 08:15:02 and moo Jul 12 08:16:44 Jaffa: do you know where to get i2ctools binary? Jul 12 08:18:18 DocScrutinizer: aegis cannot be fixed, xchat can be :P Jul 12 08:18:52 hiemanshu: I know Jul 12 08:19:06 DocScrutinizer: Not a clue Jul 12 08:19:16 Doc: well, you know what to do Jul 12 08:20:14 alas -> df -h / -> 600MB; du -sxh /scratchbox -> 4.7GB Jul 12 08:20:47 break aegis! Jul 12 08:20:49 and/or fix xchat! Jul 12 08:22:20 wat Jul 12 08:27:56 I'm sure harmattan is a really great mainstream OS with potential to challenge iOS and andoid - it's just no what I would want to use on a daily basis, probably just for that Jul 12 08:28:42 I'm missing all the desktop feeling I still got on fremantle Jul 12 08:33:04 IOW harmattan is exactly what it's meant to be: the OS Nokia could and *should* use on all their smartphones Jul 12 08:33:19 True Jul 12 08:33:41 But will never come to pass. Jul 12 08:33:43 and it's really good for that Jul 12 08:33:49 fucking elop Jul 12 08:33:51 DocScrutinizer: and its even really polished that much, its just a first release, and well it can be awesome! Jul 12 08:34:03 anyone ever tried syncing contacts between n900 and windows mobile 6.5? -> I want to burn that windows phone Jul 12 08:34:29 hiemanshu: indeed Jul 12 08:34:59 my girlfriend instantly fell in love with the n950 Jul 12 08:35:10 DocScrutinizer: seeing nokia history, first release is bad, everything else works much better, so if this is called bad, and then I wonder what awesome would be like Jul 12 08:35:13 gri: vibrator app? Jul 12 08:35:14 just the fact is: IF I was interested in this kind of UX, I had an iPhone or Android since years Jul 12 08:35:26 kerio: No :) Jul 12 08:35:41 k :( Jul 12 08:36:10 gri: if you are gettting one keep it away from her Jul 12 08:36:27 my dad asked for my N950 in exchange for a top end android, I said no Jul 12 08:36:39 DocScrutinizer: true, but more then the UX, the backend/stack matters more Jul 12 08:36:40 hiemanshu: I have one ... she played the whole evening with it yesterday Jul 12 08:36:49 gri: ah nice Jul 12 08:36:58 gri: when did you order yours btw? Jul 12 08:37:03 hiemanshu: for now there's all aegis Jul 12 08:37:26 DocScrutinizer: aegis is a dev problem, not a user problem Jul 12 08:37:27 all your base are belong to us -greeting aegis Jul 12 08:37:48 hiemanshu: so the backend stack is a user problem??? Jul 12 08:37:54 hiemanshu: ordered thursday (7.7.), dhl tracking number on 8.7., delivery yesterday in the afternoon Jul 12 08:38:09 gri: same order date, not yet sent Jul 12 08:38:20 DocScrutinizer: yeah, the user exeperience depends on the stack really Jul 12 08:38:25 DocScrutinizer: like cheap androids Jul 12 08:38:44 * DocScrutinizer scratches head and turns away Jul 12 08:39:56 hiemanshu: I liked the way how the n950 was packaged, seals everywhere ... and where did the dhl guy leave it behind? At the front door of the house because nobody was at home Jul 12 08:44:34 gri: Don't get me started on delivery agents :P Jul 12 08:45:05 alterego: I hate dhl express :) Jul 12 08:45:28 gri: I live in a flat complex and most people are out, so I end up taking deliveries for everyone as I generally work from home. But when I head out to go to meetings or whatever, I don't even get calling cards because the delivery agents can't get into the flat complex to post it through my letter box. Jul 12 08:45:31 They called me yesterday 2h before actual delivery "your address is wrong" - "no it isnt!" Jul 12 08:45:52 And without a calling card, I don't know if anything has "arrived" and, I can't even pick it up because you _have_ to have the calling card. Jul 12 08:46:09 This is why I must have tracking numbers, so I know when things will be arriving and make sure I'm present ;) Jul 12 08:46:20 yeah, that sucks Jul 12 08:46:46 We have electronic packing stations for dhl deliverys which can be accessed 24h - but dhl express does not use them Jul 12 08:46:58 rofl Jul 12 08:47:47 hmm do I want to bind myself to a 24m contract with the cellco... no not really... Jul 12 08:47:58 gri: a relais that couples your doorbell with the dooropener is probably a good idea then Jul 12 08:48:27 err Jul 12 08:48:30 alterego: ^^^ Jul 12 08:49:13 DocScrutinizer: that is not a bad idea at all .. Jul 12 08:49:48 DocScrutinizer: I meant the so-called "Packstation"s all over Germany Jul 12 08:49:53 hey, as if I ever had a bad idea Jul 12 08:49:56 X-P Jul 12 08:50:48 :) Jul 12 08:52:00 gri: yeah, I just intercept the DHL guy by mere luck, when I hear a truck and a car door, and maybe some other suspicious things. We got no doorbell and the entry to the house is from backside (garden) as frontside is a shop - WAY TOO COMPLEX for the average DHL guy Jul 12 08:53:00 hehe Jul 12 08:53:44 otherwise it's just a 3km walk to the DHL station, and a felt 1km inside the building to reach the desk where I get my package with some luck Jul 12 08:53:52 fun Jul 12 08:54:05 * ruskie prefers the regular postal service around here for such things... Jul 12 08:54:07 sometimes it's a 10km travel to the suburbs though Jul 12 08:54:41 for me it's about 200 meters to the station - that's why I complain dhl express does not use them! :) Jul 12 08:54:52 yeah Jul 12 08:56:06 more reports of people getting their N950s :( Jul 12 08:56:09 its killing me Jul 12 08:56:21 it won't be useful for me anyway Jul 12 08:56:25 i have more than 16gb of music Jul 12 08:56:38 kerio: indeed Jul 12 08:56:47 iPhone? Jul 12 08:57:00 and don't get fooled, you only have EIGHT GB of usable storage Jul 12 08:57:03 kerio: roughtly 200G of music here :P Jul 12 08:57:11 roughly* Jul 12 08:57:22 DocScrutinizer: cool story bro Jul 12 08:57:22 and about 20G on my phone Jul 12 08:57:25 hiemanshu: not counting porn? Jul 12 08:57:42 RST38h: no pr0n, only .mp3 or .aac or .m4a Jul 12 08:57:52 hiemanshu, all legal? Jul 12 08:58:03 ruskie: mostly yes :P Jul 12 08:58:08 nice Jul 12 08:58:17 I got some 60gbs Jul 12 08:58:20 probably 90% legal Jul 12 08:58:26 and most in flac Jul 12 08:58:53 my car player doesn't understand flac, so I stay away from it Jul 12 08:59:07 don't really care about the car player Jul 12 08:59:12 n900 supports fm transmitting Jul 12 08:59:16 so isn't an issue Jul 12 08:59:17 I *don't* have ~200GB, completely illegal :-( Jul 12 08:59:28 are 950s 16gb and no microsd? i've seen a tiny slot that looked much like microsd on it but did not open it Jul 12 08:59:41 Arkenoi, probably the microsim slot Jul 12 08:59:46 ah Jul 12 08:59:53 they are microsim? Jul 12 08:59:56 ruskie: micro sim or mini sim? Jul 12 09:00:05 I think they are minisim and not micro sim Jul 12 09:00:09 ruskie: normal SIM Jul 12 09:00:30 "normal" SIM is credit card sized :-) Jul 12 09:00:31 DocScrutinizer: thats minisim Jul 12 09:00:35 mini-sim Jul 12 09:00:39 Arkenoi: meh Jul 12 09:00:40 I need to get http://www.teufelaudio.com/de/audio-streaming/1raumfeld-c-p6791.html one of these to stream the music around the appartment Jul 12 09:00:52 let's just make a fake sim with storage in it! Jul 12 09:01:07 kerio: and write a driver for the gsm module to play music? Jul 12 09:01:30 hell yeah Jul 12 09:03:00 DocScrutinizer: Are your volume keys also a bit shaky? Jul 12 09:03:16 >>*Important*: Do not use a mini-UICC SIM card, also known as micro-SIM card, a micro SIM card with an adapter, or a SIM card that has a mini-UICC cutout (see figure)...<< Jul 12 09:03:23 gri: yep Jul 12 09:03:46 minimal (~0.01mm) Jul 12 09:04:06 easy to feel Jul 12 09:04:07 Does anyone knows how to install TV-B-Gone on maemo5 ? Jul 12 09:04:11 why? what happens then? Jul 12 09:04:24 Arkenoi, a rift in space time Jul 12 09:04:35 Evanescence: forget it, the reach distance of N900 CIR is <3m Jul 12 09:04:38 Evanescence, huh? it just works. though seems to know less codes than "hardware" version Jul 12 09:05:47 I searched a little. And I watched one video. It can works on some TV. that's why I want to have a try. Jul 12 09:06:34 Evanescence: where's the sense in you standing 1.5m in front of a random TV and trying for minutes to get it down? Jul 12 09:07:28 DocScrutinizer, there are annoying TVs in public places Jul 12 09:07:43 I once had a Casio wrist watch with universal IR-RC built in, that was fun, in cinema etc Jul 12 09:07:56 but hardware version is much more handy Jul 12 09:08:15 more powerful, fast and reliable Jul 12 09:08:29 well. some guys do not know N900 ( i mean that a phone ) can do that. just have this curiosity. Jul 12 09:08:32 this wrist watch really *worked* ~6..8m distance Jul 12 09:08:58 Evanescence: fair enough then Jul 12 09:09:09 i once turned on air conditioner with qtirreco Jul 12 09:09:24 to find out it was turned off because it emits bad smell Jul 12 09:09:39 it's awesome. Jul 12 09:10:24 Arkenoi: get a IR flood illumination and put it into focus of a dish, then control this with your "hw version" Jul 12 09:10:38 that's *real* fun Jul 12 09:10:39 later to install that. I need to update firmware at first. I changed system font. then system can not startup anymore. Jul 12 09:11:13 DocScrutinizer, i was thinking about using ir laser from cd burner for that Jul 12 09:11:14 you easily take down the TV in a whole skyscraper ;-) Jul 12 09:11:41 Arkenoi: that's more the sniper variant, works quite well too Jul 12 09:11:55 flood illumination may have too slow reaction to be modulated with signals Jul 12 09:12:03 nah Jul 12 09:12:29 it's just like 40 or 50 LED in a housing Jul 12 09:12:31 DocScrutinizer: by the way, how to check out my N900 device module ? ( N900 or UK N900 devices ) . I can not startup my system anymore. Jul 12 09:12:57 Evanescence: sorry, please rephrase Jul 12 09:13:12 dunno "N900 device module" Jul 12 09:13:39 DocScrutinizer: here it is, from wiki: Download the latest firmware image for your device model: N900(For UK N900 Devices: Maemo 5 UK Firmware), Jul 12 09:13:53 model Jul 12 09:13:55 aaah Jul 12 09:14:07 DocScrutinizer: sorry. my poor english. Jul 12 09:14:12 just always use global variant Jul 12 09:15:12 ok Jul 12 09:15:57 except *maybe* for special modem tweaks in US variant there's no known reports of any shortcomings of global vs any localized variant (maybe indians and japanese might disagree) Jul 12 09:16:36 DocScrutinizer: well the only difference I found was no skype in indian version Jul 12 09:16:49 :nod: Jul 12 09:17:11 gah, my F5 key broke again :( Jul 12 09:17:24 stop using it Jul 12 09:17:24 again? lol Jul 12 09:17:34 DocScrutinizer: yeah, 3rd time Jul 12 09:17:53 since last thursday I guess Jul 12 09:17:55 ruskie: I cannot, not use it :P Jul 12 09:18:03 DocScrutinizer: naah, since the list was out Jul 12 09:18:06 use an alternate key combo Jul 12 09:18:12 f5 isn't the only refresh key Jul 12 09:18:31 yeah, for now f6 will do refreshes :P Jul 12 09:18:41 or just use some *userscript* to auto refresh Jul 12 09:18:52 actually you can assign arbitrary keys, and for FF there's also a "watch that page for changes" Jul 12 09:18:54 DocScrutinizer: Can I switch virtual termial like linux ( Ctrl+Alt+F1 )? and how to press Alt. F1 on keyboard. Jul 12 09:19:00 morning Jul 12 09:19:09 any news on shipping? Jul 12 09:19:11 lardman: sent yet? Jul 12 09:19:15 for konqueror there is "refresh page every " Jul 12 09:19:15 hah, none here :P Jul 12 09:19:15 nope Jul 12 09:19:38 Evanescence: on N900? no Jul 12 09:19:50 Evanescence: there are no VT on fremantle, usually Jul 12 09:20:05 DocScrutinizer: all. so how to press "Alt", I find really most key can not be found. Jul 12 09:20:12 i see Jul 12 09:20:19 * hiemanshu goes for lunch Jul 12 09:20:24 Evanescence: alt == esc for most cases Jul 12 09:20:43 alt+char == ESC; char Jul 12 09:21:03 works for many but not all cases Jul 12 09:21:22 DocScrutinizer: I see. which keyword to search in wiki to know about keyboard ? Jul 12 09:21:39 even F3 == ESC; 3; Jul 12 09:22:20 but no ESC on N900.... Jul 12 09:22:21 Evanescence: sorry, please rephrase Jul 12 09:22:23 and emacs meta ? Jul 12 09:22:38 Evanescence: there is, at least in xterm Jul 12 09:23:00 DocScrutinizer: yes, only in terminal. Jul 12 09:23:17 Evanescence: and you can redefine you keymap if you frequently need ESC Jul 12 09:23:55 sometime it helps to know ESC = ctrl+[ Jul 12 09:24:03 not on N900 frequently Jul 12 09:24:23 or was it ] ? Jul 12 09:24:41 DocScrutinizer: ok, i see. Thanks. you answered many of my qestions. Thanks very much. Jul 12 09:24:48 yw Jul 12 09:24:57 maybe one more tip Jul 12 09:24:59 ... Jul 12 09:25:01 mompls Jul 12 09:25:15 DocScrutinizer: ... what is yw, mompls ? Jul 12 09:25:33 you're welcome is the first one Jul 12 09:25:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Keyboard_characters Jul 12 09:26:01 he wants you to consult your mom instead of asking him everything Jul 12 09:26:01 DocScrutinizer: that's it. thanks Jul 12 09:26:03 or that Jul 12 09:26:05 :p Jul 12 09:26:19 and mom-ent please Jul 12 09:26:58 I see. Jul 12 09:28:09 hmm, might need to write some code to analyse when people ordered and when their device was shipped by looking at the wiki edits Jul 12 09:29:35 now that was MAD usefull an app ;-P Jul 12 09:30:27 I guess in the end we could calculate pi to 20 digits from the norma deviation in the results Jul 12 09:30:45 decimals even Jul 12 09:31:20 well I need something to do while I wait for some notification ;) Jul 12 09:31:39 lardman: but whatever helps to make you feel better and make the time go by - definitely do it Jul 12 09:31:52 yeah Jul 12 09:31:57 same idea here Jul 12 09:32:18 lardman, needn't bother, I've already found the function they are using to select who to send them out to Jul 12 09:32:24 rand() % 250 + 1; Jul 12 09:32:43 you probably should develp that awesome app in harmattan SDK Jul 12 09:34:26 hmm, power being shut off to office, bbiab assuming nothing gets broken Jul 12 09:34:55 His computer is already broken - he's running Windows Jul 12 09:37:28 DocScrutinizer, yes, he should make it in the Harmattan SDK and then run it on his devi... oh wait... Jul 12 09:40:37 lardman awaiting the guys from the black helicopers? Jul 12 09:46:22 how to backup data in 35G disk of N900 ? ( my system is crashed,can not connect N900 disk with USB ) Jul 12 09:48:07 Evanescence, manually install MeeGo onto your SD card and flash MeeGo kernel and then you can do the backup within MeeGo? Jul 12 09:48:52 Termana: wow, give up Jul 12 09:49:13 ? Jul 12 09:49:17 I wasn't joking? Jul 12 09:49:33 There might be an easier way, that way was just a suggestion that I knew would work Jul 12 09:49:47 Evanescence, that's really the best way imho as well Jul 12 09:53:13 YES, my new dump code works Jul 12 09:53:25 it dumps what it should be Jul 12 09:55:56 what are you dumping? Jul 12 09:57:54 Anybody got a N950 order status update today? Mine shows still "new order", since 7.7.2011 Jul 12 09:58:10 same here Jul 12 09:58:19 /join harmattan Jul 12 09:58:31 errr Jul 12 09:58:35 if you like to Jul 12 09:58:46 you mean a new chanel? Jul 12 09:58:49 /join #harmattan Jul 12 09:58:52 even Jul 12 10:02:03 I am dumping various things related to my cell broadcast SMS work Jul 12 10:03:06 including IncomingCBS messages, registration_status_change messages, radio_access_technology_change messages, radio_info_change messages, cell_info_change messages and operator_name_change messages Jul 12 10:03:37 Tomorrow I go on some sort of odyssey to hit as many cells as possible Jul 12 10:06:27 With this log I should hopefully know all the hooks I need to display the tower name correctly Jul 12 10:06:33 i.e. to decide when to display it and when not Jul 12 10:06:57 and when to throw away the current tower name until a new Cell Broadcast message comes in for the new tower name Jul 12 10:08:52 jonwil_: wow, your project clearly is way more ambitioned than mine ever has been. Sounds like a complete well thought concept Jul 12 10:10:14 indeed displaying a random cell's name as of 3 days ago when device last time had to switch to 2G where you actually get those SMSCB-chan50 msgs, is kinda silly Jul 12 10:14:04 basically I throw away the tower name if the registration status changes to any of the "no service" options, if the operator code changes, if the rat changes (i.e. 3g vs 2g) or if the service status changes (no coverage vs in service vs limited service) Jul 12 10:14:21 The logs I get tomorrow should show if I need to also throw it away on cell tower ID change or not Jul 12 10:14:52 I am going off the assumption that if one tower on a network is pushing tower names, every tower is Jul 12 10:15:23 Has anyone managed to remove the "DEVELOPER EDITION" stuff and replace it with "AWESOME" yet? Jul 12 10:15:35 that's a rather large assumpiton I'd say Jul 12 10:15:39 alterego, ???? Jul 12 10:16:16 alterego, you need to have a device in hand before you keep worrying about that :P Jul 12 10:16:24 :) Jul 12 10:16:26 alterego: no one tried, plus I need to get the device in hand Jul 12 10:16:32 alterego: so I can do something about it Jul 12 10:16:53 Well, I have the rootfs, I might have a little poke .. Jul 12 10:17:04 Termana: your device sent yet? Jul 12 10:17:13 alterego: any news of yours? Jul 12 10:17:13 is anyone keeping track of how many bricks there will be while testing stuff out? Jul 12 10:17:13 hiemanshu, nah, how about yours? Jul 12 10:17:20 Termana: no :( Jul 12 10:17:37 alterego, besides "DEVELOPER DEVICE" == shit just got real Jul 12 10:18:53 gah, so I am assuming, no device this weekend either :( :( Jul 12 10:19:48 hiemanshu, yeah, definitely no device this weekend for me (takes too long to get here, even if it shipped today) Jul 12 10:20:45 Termana: *if* mine ships today, I'll have it by the end of the week yes, but if tomorrow, then mostly next week :( Jul 12 10:21:51 Termana: and I wont be home for most of the next week Jul 12 10:23:42 DocScrutinizer: I am using ubuntu natty. 11.04. which flasher should I use ? Jul 12 10:24:03 the one that's available Jul 12 10:24:24 there's a 32bit and a 64bit version .deb iirc Jul 12 10:25:14 nah wait, that's probably the harmattan new flasher, that's unsure to work or not for fremantle Jul 12 10:25:21 I see. I find some based on debian. I do not know which one to choose Jul 12 10:25:31 for N900 fremantle there's probably just one .deb Jul 12 10:26:08 .deb ? I find there are some tar.gz package for ubuntu. Jul 12 10:27:35 err isn't ubuntu a devian based distro? anyway you always can use the .tgz Jul 12 10:47:27 taaaaanaaaaa! Jul 12 10:47:40 cpscotti: ? Jul 12 10:47:47 * cpscotti exhibits a big smile on his face! Jul 12 10:47:54 cpscotti: shipped? Jul 12 10:47:56 Dear Customer, Your order has been sent on 12.7.2011. Jul 12 10:48:00 wtf Jul 12 10:48:02 where is mine Jul 12 10:48:04 OID-052775 Jul 12 10:48:05 cpscotti: when was it sent? Jul 12 10:48:06 :D Jul 12 10:48:10 noow Jul 12 10:48:14 oh Jul 12 10:48:16 damn you Jul 12 10:48:19 I'll have to wait then Jul 12 10:48:22 for a while :( Jul 12 10:48:36 hehe.. well.. I got the e-mail four minutes ago.. so.. Jul 12 10:48:42 cpscotti: I now officialy hate you Jul 12 10:48:42 hope buddy! hope! Jul 12 10:48:50 hiemanshu, lol! Jul 12 10:48:53 * hiemanshu goes to the corner to cry Jul 12 10:49:20 they never shipped mine and it has been 4+ days now Jul 12 10:49:33 * cpscotti gets back to his QML tinkering, but now feeling a lill bit better Jul 12 10:50:24 RST38h: same here Jul 12 10:51:04 I am in my dad office, sitting here all day doing nothing, I am going to sleep on the table now Jul 12 10:52:11 '5 days ago' that was the last email Jul 12 10:52:40 the more you wait for it the further away it'll be Jul 12 10:54:10 ruskie: eh? Jul 12 10:54:31 cpscotti: I have the QML and everything ready so far, I just need the device in hand to start testing and make an intial release Jul 12 10:56:37 hiemanshu, not the same here.. I used to be a QGraphicsScene guy :D.. (but as far as backend goes, all's ready for Qt Mobility 1.2 :D) Jul 12 10:57:15 cpscotti: well same here, but I learnt QML in a couple of days and got a very usable GUI in another few days Jul 12 10:57:33 cpscotti: anyways, /me goes back to weeping Jul 12 10:57:51 hiemanshu, yep.. I'm falling in love with it pretty quick too.. Jul 12 10:58:22 cpscotti: using pagestackwindow? Jul 12 10:58:28 I need to figure that part out Jul 12 10:58:36 pages, and pagestackwindow, etc Jul 12 10:59:01 not yet Jul 12 10:59:16 but looks like that's the way to go Jul 12 11:00:04 yeah, looks like it Jul 12 11:00:10 open page above another Jul 12 11:00:25 i wonder why Program Manager works so slow, is there any way to fix that? Jul 12 11:00:44 vdv: program manager? Jul 12 11:01:02 vdv, only use the repositories you need. loading every version of every package takes time Jul 12 11:01:18 boostWG switches example: Headlights, Autopilot, Warp Drive, Reactor Shields, Infinite Improbability Drive Jul 12 11:01:24 yay! My order has been sent! Jul 12 11:01:29 X-D Jul 12 11:01:32 arghhhh Jul 12 11:01:37 * RST38h glares at lardman Jul 12 11:01:54 sorry RST38h Jul 12 11:07:57 hmm, jump from FF5 to FF6 was quick Jul 12 11:08:14 http://goput.it/zf9.png Jul 12 11:19:12 MohammadAG, alterego: got any email yet? Jul 12 11:19:56 cpscotti: is 775 got done now, I am pretty sure, I'll be next week :( Jul 12 11:20:02 s/is/if/ Jul 12 11:20:03 hiemanshu_ meant: cpscotti: if 775 got done now, I am pretty sure, I'll be next week :( Jul 12 11:20:17 cpscotti: btw n900fly is nice :P Jul 12 11:20:24 cpscotti: I got 2-ish mtrs on it Jul 12 11:21:07 hiemanshu, hahaha! That's preeeety old! First thing I ever did for maemo.. I heard they are not following order nº so.. hope! Jul 12 11:21:38 cpscotti: heh well yeah Jul 12 11:21:47 and fucking quassel wont work on my laptop for some reason now Jul 12 11:21:57 but it works on the windows PC here Jul 12 11:22:00 :( Jul 12 11:22:14 hehe Jul 12 11:22:15 hiemanshu btw, saw you want to port opencv, count me in to test/help/use that.. I love that lib Jul 12 11:22:36 cpscotti: I have it ported, I have something to test as well Jul 12 11:22:40 cpscotti: I need a device :P Jul 12 11:22:48 yep. you do! we all do Jul 12 11:23:12 well I am not going to check my nokia@ email or check the order status for the rest of the day now Jul 12 11:23:17 my problem with it in maemo was that it was damn too slow (I believe mostly the cvCapture thing ) Jul 12 11:23:42 cpscotti: yes its slow, because you haven't optimized your code for a 600 mhz processor Jul 12 11:24:03 cpscotti: instead of using a steady stream, capture about 2 frames every second Jul 12 11:24:36 cpscotti: I wrote this code to auto change the brightness on the screen depending on the light Jul 12 11:24:37 lol.. hiemanshu, what do you mean by "optimizing your code for a 600Mhz.."? you mean like.. do it as damn faast as possible.. Jul 12 11:25:01 cpscotti: nope, decrease the polling rate Jul 12 11:25:09 I'm 529xx Jul 12 11:25:15 No email yet .. Jul 12 11:25:24 yeah, waiting here too Jul 12 11:25:46 There's plenty of time left today though :P Jul 12 11:25:56 alterego: about 3 hours Jul 12 11:26:02 alterego: that is not plenty, trust me Jul 12 11:26:31 pfft, just be patient :P Jul 12 11:26:36 hiemanshu, yep! but then you are just "processing less data", not being actually faster.. Jul 12 11:26:43 but anyway, it's a good starting point Jul 12 11:26:45 :D Jul 12 11:27:38 cpscotti: polling less data is still optimization yes, why poll for the extra data when you dont need it? Jul 12 11:28:01 hiemanshu, agreed! Jul 12 11:28:43 I have a couple of .debs waiting here for a device to be installed on :P Jul 12 11:29:11 hiemanshu, but what if you need it? like, anything with AR needs to be a lot quicker than 2fps.. Jul 12 11:29:40 cpscotti: that is secondary, I will looking into that as well Jul 12 11:30:05 s/looking/look/ Jul 12 11:30:06 hiemanshu_ meant: cpscotti: that is secondary, I will look into that as well Jul 12 11:30:46 hiemanshu, one thing that makes a lot of sense too is lowering the capture resolution (sometimes 320xsmthgn is way enough).. Jul 12 11:31:09 cpscotti: its more important to get aegis to let it run this stuff Jul 12 11:31:14 cpscotti: yes that works too Jul 12 11:31:35 I always have the camera at 640x480 Jul 12 11:31:40 for my desktop Jul 12 11:31:44 hiemanshu, the prob is that opencv is know for now supporting that kind of stuff. you have to set those thing directly at v4l, right? Jul 12 11:31:54 s/know/known Jul 12 11:32:35 cpscotti: now or not? Jul 12 11:32:47 hehe.. not Jul 12 11:32:56 s/now/not Jul 12 11:33:59 cpscotti: thats true, but again its trivial Jul 12 11:34:12 its not like to need a lot of code to do that Jul 12 11:34:24 s/to/you/ Jul 12 11:34:24 hiemanshu_ meant: its not like you need a lot of code to do that Jul 12 11:34:42 yep yep.. it's just not trivial if people don't even know that's possible (I'd been in that group already.. hehe) Jul 12 11:36:45 cpscotti: thats what we have google for :P Jul 12 11:36:59 I get "Audio codec not supported" for the Internet Radio channel Jul 12 11:37:07 i've installed decoders-support Jul 12 11:37:20 but error is still there Jul 12 11:37:33 hiemanshu_, indeed Jul 12 11:37:48 url for radio is "http://www.101.ru/?an=port_channel_mp3&channel=99" Jul 12 11:38:07 seems that it's mp3 decoder what is need Jul 12 11:38:16 oga ! Jul 12 11:44:42 Nice, the sdk installer from the device tells me "bad request" - wanted to find out if it's a different sdk than the normal "qt sdk" with experimental harmattan - anyone knows that? Jul 12 11:45:31 gri: somebody at #harmattan may know Jul 12 11:46:04 DocScrutinizer: didn't know it existed Jul 12 11:46:13 me too Jul 12 11:46:49 looks like the people there are the same as here? :) Jul 12 11:47:00 gri: yeah :P Jul 12 11:47:08 its like telling to ask #someonewhocares Jul 12 11:47:18 maybe, but their interest is maybe different Jul 12 11:47:39 DocScrutinizer: If I ask you in #harmattan, you know the answer? :P Jul 12 11:49:19 kimju seems isn't here for example Jul 12 11:49:55 others may be digging into N950 and thus looking more often there than here Jul 12 11:50:15 * SpeedEvil sighs at the thresholds. Jul 12 11:50:27 * SpeedEvil sighs at the thresholds of the n900 battery system. Jul 12 11:50:42 They're not - quite - right - especially for older cells, and can do stupid shit. Jul 12 11:50:46 * DocScrutinizer deletes a "whi" Jul 12 11:52:43 SpeedEvil: elaborate please Jul 12 11:52:52 meh, Nokia has not sent me my device yet :( Jul 12 11:53:39 Venemo_N900: yeah, same here Jul 12 11:53:49 heh! I just got the e-mail that it has been sent, right after the moment I wrote it hasn't been sent... :D Jul 12 11:53:59 Venemo_N900: FU Jul 12 11:54:05 Venemo_N900: whats your OID number? Jul 12 11:54:20 dunno Jul 12 11:54:33 MicroB can't open either of the messages from Nokia Developer Jul 12 11:54:33 DocScrutinizer: Tendancy to bootloop. Jul 12 11:54:35 can you please check? Jul 12 11:54:41 oh ok Jul 12 11:54:47 Venemo_N900: when did you order it? Jul 12 11:55:00 SpeedEvil: yeah, I noticed that like a year ago Jul 12 11:55:12 hiemanshu_, thursday next week Jul 12 11:55:21 Venemo_N900: what time? Jul 12 11:55:22 hiemanshu_, I mean, thursday last week Jul 12 11:55:38 hiemanshu_, dunno, somewhen in the afternoon maybe Jul 12 11:55:48 Venemo_N900: afternoon your time? Jul 12 11:56:02 hiemanshu_, yep. I'm in CEST. Jul 12 11:56:21 SpeedEvil: on very low battery the threshold between NOLO booting up linux and the whole system shutting down hard again is too small Jul 12 11:56:23 oh ok Jul 12 11:57:15 Venemo_N900: (microB can't open) HAHA that's awesome Jul 12 11:57:37 DocScrutinizer, can it open them for you? Jul 12 11:57:44 Venemo_N900: thought it's only me, with konqueror, who got issues with developer.nokia.com pages Jul 12 11:57:48 DocScrutinizer, one guy in #meego-arm did manage to use that gap to download my charge script and start it ;p Jul 12 11:58:09 cool Jul 12 11:58:57 DocScrutinizer, using firefox, i had no issues with their website Jul 12 11:59:06 yep Jul 12 11:59:47 I even managed to fix konqueror finally, by enabling cookies, and clearing out all cookies left over from prev sessions Jul 12 11:59:54 Status New Order F7U12! Jul 12 11:59:58 have to redo that every now and then Jul 12 12:00:32 * SpeedEvil is also unsure why BME is screwing up. Jul 12 12:00:40 Sometimes my device will not charge with USB. Jul 12 12:00:54 It _will_ however charge with a stupid script to tickle the charge chip. Jul 12 12:01:09 seems they constantly are changing/fixing things with the developer.nokia.com login, as well as the ovi.com login Jul 12 12:01:12 SpeedEvil: I have that issue too, if my battery is completely dead, I leave it to charge for an hour, unplug charger, power it on, and then plug it back again Jul 12 12:01:22 hiemanshu: seperate issues Jul 12 12:01:39 since yesterday N950 accepted my nokia.com account, so I finally could start map Jul 12 12:01:51 map? Jul 12 12:01:52 Oh Jul 12 12:02:57 SpeedEvil: yup, it wants you to register to nokia.com to get access to the map data Jul 12 12:03:03 hiemanshu_, btw, what use my order id would be for you? Jul 12 12:03:23 Venemo_N900: to know if they are going OID wise or just lucky draws Jul 12 12:03:56 Venemo_N900: cpscotti was 775, and someone else from here was a 7xx something Jul 12 12:04:09 mhm Jul 12 12:04:42 maybe I can look it up on webmail for you Jul 12 12:04:44 32 people have got it 0_0 Jul 12 12:05:22 Venemo_N900: yeah, its a part of the email Jul 12 12:06:23 hmm hiemanshu_, you're not gonna like this Jul 12 12:06:29 hiemanshu, OID-052869 Jul 12 12:06:36 Venemo_N900: thats nice :D Jul 12 12:06:39 Venemo_N900: mine is 887 Jul 12 12:06:44 if they are in order Jul 12 12:06:46 I am close by Jul 12 12:06:49 mhm Jul 12 12:06:50 otherwise, FU Jul 12 12:07:06 hiemanshu_, hey. F me? Jul 12 12:07:25 Venemo_N900: naah, the intern sending them Jul 12 12:08:34 * RST38h is 910 Jul 12 12:08:45 well, if they are going by this order, then you'll have yours today too. tomorrow at worst Jul 12 12:08:46 * gri was 847 Jul 12 12:08:47 Does it mean it will take forever? Jul 12 12:08:49 RST38h: they send yours then? Jul 12 12:09:04 What is the last OID we know they have sent? Jul 12 12:09:13 RST38h: 869, Venemo_N900 Jul 12 12:09:29 Ok. Lots of OIDs to go then =( Jul 12 12:09:52 RST38h: if they are in order, I'll have mine sent soon Jul 12 12:13:23 I received my email today and my order # is OID-052779 Jul 12 12:13:52 They are not in order Jul 12 12:13:56 so I'm out of order apparently Jul 12 12:14:02 Termana: yeah Jul 12 12:14:06 I haven't received anything and I'm 756 Jul 12 12:14:18 Still showing "New Order" Jul 12 12:15:26 Like I said earlier, the order is simply decided by the statement, rand() % 250 + 1 Jul 12 12:15:28 :p Jul 12 12:15:31 * RST38h is risking not to get the device by September =( Jul 12 12:15:54 Termana: doesn't rand() return values in the 0.0..1.0 range? Jul 12 12:16:07 RST38h: thats they the % 250 Jul 12 12:16:25 RST38h, no, it returns numbers in the range of 0 to RAND_MAX Jul 12 12:16:27 lardman: so yours is being shipped too? Jul 12 12:16:33 in C++ at least Jul 12 12:16:43 maybe they sort by readability of names: my device package had a hand written sticker on it with my name :D Jul 12 12:17:05 gri: everyone has it, atleast from what I have seen Jul 12 12:17:07 RAND_MAX being some high number that I don't remember off the top of my head Jul 12 12:17:15 gri: but thats just to match the stickers with the packages Jul 12 12:17:24 Morning Jul 12 12:17:34 Khertan_: Morning, what is the status of your device? Jul 12 12:17:40 052736 FWIW Jul 12 12:17:47 DocScrutinizer: lol Jul 12 12:17:50 * Khertan_ is impatient to come back to home to play with his n950 Jul 12 12:18:11 hiemanshu_: at home waiting me on my desk Jul 12 12:18:23 Khertan_: it reached so fast? 0_0 Jul 12 12:18:38 i was impress by dhl this time 10h to deliver it Jul 12 12:18:44 yeah Jul 12 12:18:53 damn, I just wish they ship mine soon Jul 12 12:19:36 grr Jul 12 12:19:43 Still new order Jul 12 12:19:46 3h to reach germany, 2h to reach france ... to rest to travel to home Jul 12 12:19:49 MohammadAG: order number? Jul 12 12:19:57 OID-052896 Jul 12 12:19:57 s/to/the Jul 12 12:19:57 hiemanshu_: yeah, I received an email this morning, though nothing from DHL yet Jul 12 12:20:12 lardman: ah, wait for DHL Jul 12 12:20:15 MohammadAG: a little after me Jul 12 12:20:21 hiemanshu, yours shipped? Jul 12 12:20:33 MohammadAG: no Jul 12 12:20:33 lardman: yesterday i got email in morning , and dhl one follow at 17h fi time Jul 12 12:20:56 lardman: dhl will be a bit late Jul 12 12:21:02 hiemanshu_, reassuring Jul 12 12:21:03 not yet, that is why he says FU to me. Jul 12 12:21:03 Khertan_: you may want to /join #harmattan Jul 12 12:21:48 lol, there is a harmattan channel now? Jul 12 12:22:16 Venemo_N900: yup, x-fade and dm8tbr discussed it and so it got greated Jul 12 12:22:19 created* Jul 12 12:22:26 mhm Jul 12 12:22:48 don't understand why we can't discuss it in here Jul 12 12:22:49 I'd not be overly surprised to recieive the package before the email tbh knowing some shipping companies, no idea about dhl mind you Jul 12 12:23:11 lardman, you received the device? :) Jul 12 12:23:44 Venemo_N900: no, the email from nokia saying it has been shipped Jul 12 12:23:54 well, my first mail with DHL tracking number was from:someguy@nokia Jul 12 12:23:59 MohammadAG: Mine is 052828, but still sais new order :| Jul 12 12:24:21 docscrutinizer: hmm, ok Jul 12 12:24:25 lardman, ah. Jul 12 12:25:00 makes sense as where from should DHL have your email-addr? Jul 12 12:25:01 so anyway, how long does it take them to bring it here? Jul 12 12:25:05 Hi. Am trying to figure out if the KochMorse.py python morse code trainer will work on the N900. Does N900 use alsa or oss (or neither) for audio? Is PulseAudio compatible with either? Jul 12 12:25:47 alsa, and no Jul 12 12:26:05 kwtm2, best way is to try, either on a device, or in scratchbox Jul 12 12:26:06 well, actually N900 uses PA Jul 12 12:26:07 DocScrutinizer: they didn't have your adress until you give it to them, but nokia have tracking number and your email, so their delivery service sent you email :) Jul 12 12:26:38 Khertan_: exactly Jul 12 12:27:18 Khertan_: in fact I'd consider it data abuse when Nokia hands my email addr to DHL Jul 12 12:27:20 Venemo_N900: Naturally I plan to try; but the reason I ask is not only to determine if it's not worth trying at all, but also to see if any failure is due to a misconfiguration on my part rather than that it actually isn't compatible. Jul 12 12:27:37 DocScrutinizer, how many days was it between the time you got your "your order has been sent" mail and the day it actually arrived? Jul 12 12:27:49 err, 1 Jul 12 12:28:02 only? Jul 12 12:28:06 that is nice Jul 12 12:28:15 yeah, DHL ships overnight Jul 12 12:28:30 DocScrutinizer: So, it sounds like what you're saying is, there are two incompatible sound systems on N900 (alsa and pulseaudio) but I should be able to get the N900 to use alsa? Jul 12 12:28:46 kwtm2, if you use Linux, you can install the Maemo 5 SDK, launch the GUI and fire up this .py Jul 12 12:29:11 kwtm2, pulseaudio is supposed to be compatible with alsa, I heard Jul 12 12:29:13 kwtm2: they are not exactly incompatible, it's just PA is a sound server exploiting ALSA basics Jul 12 12:29:24 DocScrutinizer: Got it. Thx. Jul 12 12:29:37 also PA offers a semi-functional ALSA compatibility plugin afaik Jul 12 12:29:40 PA is more like an alsa plugin Jul 12 12:30:19 hiemanshu_: Oh, I see. Thanks! That info lets me move ahead rapidly in my understanding of how Alsa and PA fit together. Thanks! Jul 12 12:30:24 wow, n950 has some nice lib names: libmaemomeegotouchcontentsearchinterface.so.1.0.0 Jul 12 12:30:36 so it's like app->pseudo-ALSA->PA->ALSA-soundcard Jul 12 12:30:37 gri, hah Jul 12 12:30:37 gri, lol Jul 12 12:30:59 but Lennart is a total ass Jul 12 12:31:09 Lennart? Jul 12 12:31:25 Venemo_N900, the PA dev Jul 12 12:31:38 hiemanshu_, Lennart Pottering? Jul 12 12:31:39 ~poettering Jul 12 12:31:39 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' Jul 12 12:31:48 Venemo_N900, yeah Jul 12 12:32:09 hiemanshu_, isn't he also the guy behind systemd? Jul 12 12:32:11 met him a few times when he was in India Jul 12 12:32:14 Venemo_N900, yes Jul 12 12:32:33 works for Red Hat Jul 12 12:32:36 and behind avahi GRRRRRRR >:-( Jul 12 12:32:43 he didn't seem like an ass to me Jul 12 12:32:44 DocScrutinizer: we have to go deeper Jul 12 12:32:48 find a way to make pulseaudio use alsa's OSS emulation Jul 12 12:33:02 Venemo_N900, you know him? Jul 12 12:33:05 I once watched a presentation about systemd from him Jul 12 12:33:08 kerio: now THAT would be awesome Jul 12 12:33:15 nope, I don't know him Jul 12 12:33:37 DocScrutinizer: s/awesome/stupider/ Jul 12 12:33:40 Venemo_N900: In the interests of efficiency, I'd rather quickly find out the answer to my simple questions than download a SDK with which I am not familiar and use it to run a program with which I am not familiar, since I'm sure that will itself engender a number of additional questions that should be as simple as the ones I just asked. I understand the mindset behind "try it and see" but for someone like me who is not set up to Jul 12 12:33:41 Venemo_N900, I know IRL, so yeah, I can say that he is one :P Jul 12 12:33:41 (sic) Jul 12 12:33:41 devote so much time to tinkering with software (I can probably spare about 10 minutes for this), information sharing from more experienced people is probably the most efficient way. Thanks, though. Jul 12 12:33:43 I also recall talking to him once on irc, he didn't seem an ass then either. Jul 12 12:34:25 hiemanshu, well then, I suppose you are right :P Jul 12 12:34:44 Venemo_N900, well, it again depends on what you call an ass :P Jul 12 12:34:57 lol Jul 12 12:35:02 oh crap, pycage got a defective device Jul 12 12:35:03 kwtm2: now what was that?? Jul 12 12:35:42 meh, sorry, xchat died Jul 12 12:35:52 MohammadAG, yeah Jul 12 12:36:06 DocScrutinizer: tl;dr version: asking on IRC is faster than downloading a SDK to try, not because I'm lazy but because I might run into other snags Jul 12 12:36:14 whether he is an ass or not, he did nice work with systemd Jul 12 12:36:41 Venemo_N900, being an ass doesn't mean you cant be an awesome coder, I know a lot of people like that Jul 12 12:36:48 well, to a certain degree that's what IRC is made for Jul 12 12:36:55 MohammadAG: defective in what way? Jul 12 12:37:01 frals, touchscreen Jul 12 12:37:05 frals, touchscreen issues Jul 12 12:37:12 "issues"? Jul 12 12:37:25 it wont work properly Jul 12 12:37:45 hiemanshu_, can I be not an ass but still an awesome developer? Jul 12 12:37:56 Venemo_N900, heh yeah :P Jul 12 12:38:05 okay! :) Jul 12 12:38:13 still no email, arrrgh! Jul 12 12:38:24 patience is a virtue Jul 12 12:38:34 I have none of it left Jul 12 12:38:42 Venemo_N900, and you say that because yours has been shipped Jul 12 12:38:43 wont work properly how? Jul 12 12:38:57 Venemo_N900: (systemd) just that I fail to see the need for yet another init system Jul 12 12:39:16 as with almost all of peottering inventions Jul 12 12:39:23 frals, http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=25703&postcount=583 Jul 12 12:39:25 well, when I first knew I was chosen, I estimated that I get it in two weeks. Jul 12 12:39:34 DocScrutinizer, Lets re-invent the wheel, It will be so cool! Jul 12 12:39:59 DocScrutinizer, well, systemd makes F15 boot a _lot_ faster than F14 Jul 12 12:40:14 ok, so original description was as vague :) Jul 12 12:40:16 Venemo_N900, systemd isn't the only reason for that Jul 12 12:40:17 hiemanshu_: thanks Jul 12 12:40:27 hiemanshu_: yeah, then have it mounted with witworth left turn bolts, and force it to whole wheel industry Jul 12 12:40:30 frals, np, he did send an email to DDP though Jul 12 12:40:31 hiemanshu_, I know, but it's one of them Jul 12 12:40:51 Venemo_N900, anyways FUDCon in India, you coming? :P Jul 12 12:41:19 hiemanshu_, India? I'm afraid I don't have the money to go there Jul 12 12:41:19 DocScrutinizer, yeah, and then when people say its not worth it, start working on a new product Jul 12 12:41:37 Venemo_N900: and what's the revolutionary new concept in systemd that makes this speedup happen, which couldn't get implemented into upstart or even initV? Jul 12 12:41:38 Venemo_N900, :( Jul 12 12:42:21 Venemo_N900, and with F14, on my desktop I got about 10-15 second boots Jul 12 12:42:33 F15 boot? Jul 12 12:42:38 DocScrutinizer, watch the presentation, it is well explained. Jul 12 12:42:43 Venemo_N900: I'm not complaining about people building better things, i'm complaining about them not caring about backward compatibility Jul 12 12:43:05 DocScrutinizer, systemd is backward compatible afaict Jul 12 12:43:15 hiemanshu_, 15 secs? that is nice Jul 12 12:43:56 hiemanshu_, for me, F14 booted for a bit more than a minute, and F15 does in half a minute. after some tuning, I managed to get it below 20s Jul 12 12:44:12 Venemo_N900: I think I watched/read some stuff about systemd, and it seems there's nothing that's not been there in one form or another previously. So a complete redesign to fix minor flaws in existing software. Just like PA Jul 12 12:44:37 Venemo_N900: and yes, I read it *shall* be backward compatible Jul 12 12:45:07 Talking about pulseaudio... Jul 12 12:45:11 as is supposed to be true for PA, just PA's ALSA emulation sucks donkey balls Jul 12 12:45:16 * Termana kicks pulseaudio into tomorrow Jul 12 12:45:22 stupid piece of garbage Jul 12 12:45:27 darn bloody API crap Jul 12 12:45:34 DocScrutinizer, well, as i recall, the main (as in most boasted) feature is that it can start and run stuff in parallel. I'm not sure why they couldn't just implement it in sysv or upstart though. Jul 12 12:46:09 I CHANGE 1 variable and all of a sudden my application starts working like it's suppose to. Lousy details and documentation on how some of the APIs work Jul 12 12:46:11 I think my Suse initV stuff does parallel startup since a decade Jul 12 12:46:33 honestly, I don't care as long as it works and it works better than the old stuff. Jul 12 12:46:49 Venemo_N900: alas it doesn't Jul 12 12:46:53 Now I just have to hope that it works on the N950 as well as it is working on my desktop atm :\ Jul 12 12:46:55 at least PA doesn't Jul 12 12:47:10 DocScrutinizer, I'm not talking about pa. Jul 12 12:48:01 I'm just scared whenever I hear Poettering is threatening the world with a new brilliant thing to force into everything Jul 12 12:48:09 hehe Jul 12 12:49:18 Termana, why don't you just use QtMultimedia? Jul 12 12:49:58 as this guy gives not a rats ass about the people that need to keep old systems up and running and are concerned about no regressions with new stuff coming along Jul 12 12:50:09 I don't think you can easily achieve the level of parallellism as systemd can, though, with sysv Jul 12 12:50:18 you'd need something like inetd for unix domain sockets to do that. Jul 12 12:50:58 sysv is built for POSIX while systemd is optimized for linux specifically Jul 12 12:51:21 flux: quite a valid point Jul 12 12:51:44 Venemo_N900: another reason to hate it Jul 12 12:52:56 hm? Jul 12 12:53:28 another questionable notion of poettering - while for decades linux tried to get closer to a common unix standard, he seems to think linux has to take leadership and break new ground, no matter if unix at large will follow or even care Jul 12 12:54:05 a rather androidesque notion Jul 12 12:54:07 I think the worst side of these systems that come to replace old systems is the lack of documentation. although uni-platformness sucks as well. Jul 12 12:54:13 still no email :( Jul 12 12:54:14 Venemo_N900, I'm not sure QtMultimedia is suited for real time digital signal processing Jul 12 12:54:25 Termana, ah. probably not. Jul 12 12:55:12 at least pulseaudio's advanced features appeared woefully underdocumented to me that last time I looked at them. and upstart's documentation has a lot to improve as well. Jul 12 12:55:47 upstart is another stupid ubuntu project Jul 12 12:55:49 On the other hand, using ALSA directly and not using pulseaudio would probably be better as well, but the N950 won't allow that easily I'm sure. Jul 12 12:55:51 like unity Jul 12 12:55:57 Termana: definitely not, I heard Qt is using floats all over the place Jul 12 12:56:16 DocScrutinizer: Already had a incoming call/sms with your n950? Mine can't assign names to messages when the contact is in the addressbook without +49 code - pretty annoying Jul 12 12:57:19 Termana: even N900 doesn't easily allow that, as you will break all audio to make yours run Jul 12 12:57:20 DocScrutinizer, any idea what stack nokia is using for the phone? Jul 12 12:57:36 gri: nope Jul 12 12:57:52 hiemanshu_: where? Jul 12 12:58:02 DocScrutinizer, the phone/calling part Jul 12 12:58:10 hiemanshu_: where? Jul 12 12:58:19 DocScrutinizer, N950 :P Jul 12 12:58:58 see? if you had asked that question on #harmattan, it would've been clear ;-D Jul 12 12:59:10 DocScrutinizer, lol :P Jul 12 12:59:28 no, I don't know for sure which telephony stacks are used in harmattan Jul 12 13:00:18 I guess (and idications for that are strong) that they still use phonet Jul 12 13:01:07 and of course telepathy on top of that Jul 12 13:01:22 yep, thatams what I've heard Jul 12 13:01:25 ah Jul 12 13:01:35 gri, can you report the bug? Jul 12 13:01:53 Venemo_N900, no use, nobody will listen :P Jul 12 13:02:01 indeed Jul 12 13:02:16 this is a completely obsolete OS version Jul 12 13:02:52 the current version has 3000+ bugs fixed, according to konttori Jul 12 13:03:13 yeah, much more than I expect really Jul 12 13:03:20 and what? they will fix bugs. this bug is absolutely embarassing if they want the device to be used by end users Jul 12 13:03:40 I don't think anybody at nokia will bother to check if any bug reported by N950 users is one of the 300 fixed ones, or actually a new one Jul 12 13:03:48 Venemo_N900, it might probably have been fixed, you cant say until you get the current image being used by the nokia devs Jul 12 13:04:16 at least give them the chance fix it and report it Jul 12 13:04:19 there is a reason its *preproduction* software Jul 12 13:04:20 s/300/3000/. Jul 12 13:04:26 Venemo_N900: konttori reported they fixed around 3000 bugs since n950 fw (like doc said) Jul 12 13:04:56 we also have no close-swipe Jul 12 13:05:13 why aren't they releasing a new image for us then? Jul 12 13:05:16 gri, close swipe? Jul 12 13:05:28 Venemo_N900, ask someone who knows Jul 12 13:05:37 hiemanshu: top-down closes application instantly on the n9 Jul 12 13:05:38 Venemo_N900, they say a new image might be out in 3 weeks or so Jul 12 13:05:49 Venemo_N900: you think somebody is going to spend days with triaging bugtickets against an obsolete OS? with a yield of 0.01% real bugs, while the rest already got fixed? Jul 12 13:06:22 its a developer device, we should expect bugs and miss features :) Jul 12 13:06:25 DocScrutinizer, it won't be obsolete for a few more months yet Jul 12 13:06:36 Venemo_N900, it already is Jul 12 13:06:45 why is that? Jul 12 13:07:06 anyway, I prefix all my contacts with +36, so this will probably not affect me. Jul 12 13:07:14 Venemo_N900: this N950 developer version harmattan been obsolete months before any of us learned about N950's existence Jul 12 13:07:15 Venemo_N900, because it is Jul 12 13:07:27 aah. Jul 12 13:07:38 DocScrutinizer, the image is dated 22-6 Jul 12 13:07:48 so they deliberately flash an obsolete image version for us? Jul 12 13:07:52 how annoying Jul 12 13:07:57 but not surprising Jul 12 13:07:57 nevertheless it's been forked months ago Jul 12 13:08:01 Venemo_N900, yeah, and we have to wait for a newer one Jul 12 13:08:10 *sigh* Jul 12 13:08:12 Venemo_N900, about 3 months? Jul 12 13:08:18 Venemo_N900: I also miss the fixing of a bug that annoyed me on the n900: When calling via sip, it doesn't show the contact name in "recent calls" list, instead you see a "sip:1236456456@provider" Jul 12 13:08:19 s/months/weeks/ Jul 12 13:08:20 hiemanshu_ meant: Venemo_N900, about 3 weeks? Jul 12 13:08:21 hey frals Jul 12 13:08:41 ridiculous how they still haven't learned their lesson... Jul 12 13:09:16 ok, if I dont get an email within the next 30 mins, I probably wont get one today Jul 12 13:09:41 Venemo_N900: yes, ridiculous giving out devices for free before sales start of the enduser device so devs who are interested can see if theirs app run decently Jul 12 13:09:44 ;( Jul 12 13:09:57 Sound stupid indeed. Jul 12 13:10:26 frals, that is a lesson they already learned at N900 time Jul 12 13:10:50 frals, well, if you want devs to do that, atleast give them without aegis Jul 12 13:11:04 I'm talking about the fact that they don't follow the rule release early, release often Jul 12 13:11:07 hiemanshu_, so when they finally make their apps, they won't work on the aegis-enabled devices? Jul 12 13:11:26 flux, no, but an option to turn it off/on Jul 12 13:11:58 Venemo_N900: i have a feeling Legal and certification etc puts a stop for that, unfortunately... but im not involved it that so i might be totally wrong Jul 12 13:12:00 flux: that's nonsense Jul 12 13:12:23 flux: there's a developer-mode of aegis, and this mode has to have NO restrictions at all Jul 12 13:12:44 804eea99a48bd7d8e1f078ee4d1eef046827629f d5f1af1960e2b9b78dbd4fdc019b0680a7695f25 a3a53fad32be4e09ac0395de0d803c247cad79e6 Jul 12 13:12:45 frals, so did you email anyone about my rant from yesterday? I still haven't got my device shipped :P Jul 12 13:12:45 flux: while the "normal" mode of curse should be identical to sales version Jul 12 13:12:47 ops Jul 12 13:13:08 hiemanshu_: achipa saw it already as you said it, so i assume it got noticed at the right level ;-) Jul 12 13:13:14 frals: Are these aegis unlock keys? Jul 12 13:13:32 RST38h, looks like md5 hashes to me Jul 12 13:13:32 frals, it is unfortunate indeed Jul 12 13:13:45 frals, dammit, well everyone knows it was a rant :P Jul 12 13:13:45 s/curse/course/ Jul 12 13:13:46 DocScrutinizer meant: flux: while the "normal" mode of course should be identical to sales version Jul 12 13:14:04 RST38h: commits im about to cherry-pick ;) Jul 12 13:14:26 docscrutinizer, well, that would be ideal. but I imagine in principle it is possible to develop 'normal' apps even with aegis enabled. Jul 12 13:14:26 frals, commits to? Jul 12 13:14:47 "in principle" is the keyword Jul 12 13:14:54 hiemanshu_: what i do at work Jul 12 13:15:00 frals, ah Jul 12 13:15:24 I wonder if anyone's tried if the frals' suggestion about disabling aegis on those developer devices, ie. does it really brick them :) Jul 12 13:15:44 flux: the very first thing I managed to do while trying to install and use a bash.deb deployed by Nokia(!) was to "brick" my device Jul 12 13:15:45 flux: i think it results in the same screen as that DocScrutinizer got after trying to get bash running Jul 12 13:16:50 well, those would be two different things, no? Jul 12 13:17:45 which 2 things are different? developing an app and trying to install bash? Jul 12 13:17:59 trying to tell the device to disable aegis and installing a deb Jul 12 13:18:27 flux, and how is that two different things? Jul 12 13:18:43 flux, you cannot install apps because of aegis, which makes the dev devices useless until we get one Jul 12 13:18:58 which allows you to install the .debs easily without making aegis cry Jul 12 13:19:19 hiemanshu_: actually you *can* install apps that are built on your SDK Jul 12 13:19:38 as the SDK is supposed to auto-create a manifest for your app Jul 12 13:19:40 DocScrutinizer, but in a real world I am not going to install only apps built using my sdk Jul 12 13:19:57 DocScrutinizer, for example, I'll need opencv Jul 12 13:20:05 the question is how much we trust in that, when even Nokia manages to spoil things Jul 12 13:20:22 hiemanshu_: yes, I'm aware Jul 12 13:20:51 I am not going to write a manifest for the loads of files/libs it creates Jul 12 13:21:08 Automate it then .. Jul 12 13:21:31 it allegedly IS automated - in the SDK Jul 12 13:21:58 hey alterego, your device shipped yet? Jul 12 13:22:09 o/ Jul 12 13:22:39 Nope Jul 12 13:22:48 DocScrutinizer, I compiled about 5 libs in the sbox SDK, but well no easy way to test it, without learning to package and writing a manifest Jul 12 13:22:50 Still "New Order" Jul 12 13:22:59 alterego, :( Jul 12 13:23:09 alterego, still hoping it is shipped today? Jul 12 13:23:13 Meh, I'm not too fussed tbh :P Jul 12 13:23:32 At least I know it's somewhere in the warehouse waiting for me :) Jul 12 13:23:33 alterego, told ya it'll take 2 weeks Jul 12 13:24:01 Venemo_N900: I'd probably have it if there wasn't a cock up with my application :P Jul 12 13:24:12 I move to a new place next week, and well I dont want to keep running up and down to check for my package Jul 12 13:24:17 a cock up with your application?? Jul 12 13:24:37 Venemo_N900: well, they couldn't find my nokia developer account from the username and AID I provided .. Jul 12 13:24:37 alterego, not really no, I haven't yet got it either :P Jul 12 13:24:43 Don't really know why, but meh. Jul 12 13:24:46 alterego, LOL... Jul 12 13:25:05 So that was resolved on Friday. Jul 12 13:25:11 But meh. Jul 12 13:25:19 meh indeed Jul 12 13:25:44 hiemanshu_: obviously it's still possible it'll ship today, but seems increasingly unlikely with every minute ;) Jul 12 13:26:11 Now I guess I hope it gets dispatched by Thursday so I have it for the weekend. Jul 12 13:26:26 :) Jul 12 13:26:28 alterego, hah, well I am not going to use the F5 button for the rest of the day today until I get back home Jul 12 13:26:54 hiemanshu_: meh, I've been checking maybe once every couple of hours Jul 12 13:27:10 Doing it every five minutes isn't going to make it arrive any sooner. Jul 12 13:27:15 alterego, I am away from my dev computer, so I have pretty nothing else to do :P Jul 12 13:27:18 And just makes you feel a bit frustrated :D Jul 12 13:27:23 Heh Jul 12 13:28:07 so I am playing flash games, watching random youtube videos and hitting F5 every now and then Jul 12 13:28:18 Heh Jul 12 13:29:04 ~optify Jul 12 13:29:14 ~optification Jul 12 13:29:14 hmm... optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3 Jul 12 13:30:39 33 have received their devices, now I am starting to get worried :/ Jul 12 13:31:09 hiemanshu_, just make a script that hits F5 for you Jul 12 13:31:26 hiemanshu_, didn't you just say you weren't going to check anymore? :p Jul 12 13:31:29 Venemo_N900, meh, I am on a windows computer right now Jul 12 13:31:36 Termana, I checked the wiki page Jul 12 13:31:43 Termana, and not the order pagea Jul 12 13:31:45 hiemanshu_, ah. Jul 12 13:31:46 -s Jul 12 13:34:11 hiemanshu_, I'm wondering whether they just decided the 150 euro or so it's going to take for them to ship it to me was just not worth it? :P lol Jul 12 13:34:32 Termana, well, trust me its worth it :P Jul 12 13:35:14 anyways last time checking for the day, if nothing, then hoping for tomorrow :P Jul 12 13:42:41 is "MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan" (the debian based MeeGo going on the N9) likely or unlikely to officially/unofficially be available for the N900 at some point? Jul 12 13:43:14 not going to happen Jul 12 13:43:17 Lantizia, unlikely, there is a Meego CE though Jul 12 13:43:22 Lantizia, ask in #meego-arm Jul 12 13:43:41 hiemanshu, don't want rpm's Jul 12 13:44:08 then unlikely Jul 12 13:46:34 ok back to work :S Jul 12 13:46:36 thanx Jul 12 13:56:14 alterego, still expecting it to be shipped today? :P Jul 12 13:56:27 Not particularly :P Jul 12 13:56:39 But like I said, I don't really care either :P Jul 12 13:56:54 alterego, well as long as it arrives before this weekend, its fine Jul 12 13:57:13 I'm sure I'll survive even if it doesn't :P Jul 12 13:58:05 well I'll survive too, but I'll move out of this house to a new place, so yeah, hoping to have it ASAP Jul 12 13:58:20 * hiemanshu_ goes back to epic rap battles of history Jul 12 14:00:40 yeah whatever, i'm busy this weekend too Jul 12 14:00:47 so caring less that i'm also still in "New Order" Jul 12 14:00:54 how many have they been shipping per day? Jul 12 14:00:56 can we tell? Jul 12 14:01:27 I think it's been sub 100 Jul 12 14:01:27 rm_work, not really no, but I am expecting around 20-30 Jul 12 14:01:47 You have to remember that they're not just shipping N950s to people like us, they're shi[[ing all sorts of phones to all sorts of people and places. Jul 12 14:02:16 So it's quite a random number per day I'd imagine. Jul 12 14:02:58 yeah, really random Jul 12 14:03:03 What is strange is that when you placed your order doesn't seem to have any berring on when they'll ship it Jul 12 14:03:09 moo rm_me Jul 12 14:03:19 fiferboy: that is because they do not know Jul 12 14:03:38 RST38h: They don't know when the order was placed? Jul 12 14:03:41 fiferboy, it said 1 week to receive it really Jul 12 14:03:50 s/really// Jul 12 14:03:50 hiemanshu_ meant: fiferboy, it said 1 week to receive it Jul 12 14:03:53 fiferboy: the whole service is considered a courtesy and thus does not have any expectations attached Jul 12 14:04:17 RST38h: I know, and I'm not complaining. I just wonder how they choose which ones to ship Jul 12 14:04:36 Do they just pull a random sample? Jul 12 14:04:37 fiferboy, so far, randomness Jul 12 14:04:58 yeah, i expect the poor people whose job that is are freaking out T_T Jul 12 14:05:00 yeah, some people from 7xx, 8xx, and 9xx got theirs shipped Jul 12 14:05:14 rm_work, or laughing at us :P Jul 12 14:05:19 lol Jul 12 14:05:26 prolly like OMGWTF Jul 12 14:05:30 fiferboy: they do not, probably just have an intern randomly pulling emails =) Jul 12 14:05:40 going from shipping a few devices per day to OH MY GOD Jul 12 14:05:54 * GAN900 moans. Jul 12 14:05:55 like it has never happened before... Jul 12 14:06:43 Either that or they're using evolution, I swear the ordering of messages in evolution is somehow annoyingly retarded. Jul 12 14:07:14 GAN900, yours sent? Jul 12 14:07:16 Community office meeting starting now in #meego-meeting :) Jul 12 14:07:24 Nope Jul 12 14:07:29 GAN900, dammit Jul 12 14:07:35 alterego: Or like modest on N900 where junk emails remain on top even after being read 7 days ago Jul 12 14:08:36 Can;'t say I've had that problem, the only issue I've ever had with mail on the N900, is that now I can't seem to send any anymore. Jul 12 14:08:41 Which started yesterday. Jul 12 14:08:48 alterego: T_T Jul 12 14:08:50 Must look into that. Jul 12 14:09:30 Hrm, I want a script that will log wifi access points my device sees Jul 12 14:09:42 I thought that the wifi list was exposed over dbus, but can't seem to find anything .. Jul 12 14:09:57 Oh, and signal strength and gps coordinates ;) Jul 12 14:10:35 thanks for the notice lcuk Jul 12 14:11:03 thanks for noticing the notice rm_work \o Jul 12 14:11:45 alterego, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn7-fVtT16k Jul 12 14:12:39 lcuk: lol yeah i would expect weekend evenings to be THE HIGHEST USAGE :P Jul 12 14:15:21 The randomness is the killer part. Jul 12 14:16:01 yeah, maybe I should email DDP asking for a date so I can be expecting even after I have moved to a new place Jul 12 14:17:18 You could probably get them to ship it priority if you give them a good reason to do it ;) Jul 12 14:17:35 alterego, I am moving houses, the only reason for my urgency :P Jul 12 14:18:26 but well I wouldn't whenever it is sent, after all we aren't paying a penny for it Jul 12 14:18:31 +mind Jul 12 14:18:45 alterego, saw the video I linked you to? a must watch :P Jul 12 14:19:33 Yes, very funny :) Jul 12 14:21:54 any new N950 shipments today? Jul 12 14:22:12 Nokia: currying me of optimism at least once a year. Jul 12 14:26:26 GAN900: balti? Jul 12 14:28:07 hiemanshu: noted Jul 12 14:28:41 and for all of you rest, I'm working on getting a bit more docs about aegis out than is in the current docs Jul 12 14:29:05 achipa: :) Jul 12 14:29:16 * SpeedEvil wonders idly about harmattan on n900 Jul 12 14:29:45 achipa: That wouldn't be hard. Jul 12 14:29:51 SpeedEvil: There's a quite amusing TMO thread Jul 12 14:30:21 Jaffa: what - that ? Jul 12 14:30:34 I try to focus on more productive things than TMO. :) Jul 12 14:31:09 * achipa is stumped - got an update while the device was updating. First time I felt release often backfire this bad... Jul 12 14:31:27 s/fire/fired/ Jul 12 14:31:31 achipa: always press refresh before starting update ;-) Jul 12 14:31:42 frals: right, right Jul 12 14:32:48 MohammadAG: anidel and h0pbeat got shipping notices Jul 12 14:32:55 Not me, still Jul 12 14:33:07 SpeedEvil: "Harmattan HE" has people trying to pull stuff out of images Jul 12 14:33:13 ah Jul 12 14:33:28 With success yet? Jul 12 14:33:37 Somehwere under http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1047072 Jul 12 14:33:40 it wouldn't be hard to get the swipe UI on the N900 Jul 12 14:34:01 SpeedEvil: Extracting stuff from images is easy, but running stuff is more interesting (and, presumably, harder) Jul 12 14:34:03 though the edges of the device won't be helpful Jul 12 14:34:11 Jaffa: indeed. Jul 12 14:34:18 hiemanshu: as for manifests - let's not hate just for the sake of hating. install files are manifests. sudoers are a sort of manifests. So let's not go overboard there - as long as it's actually doable Jul 12 14:35:02 achipa: \o/ for docs on aegis Jul 12 14:36:10 MohammadAG: that would not be porting, that would be writing your own implementation of someone elses design ;) Jul 12 14:36:41 frals, no, it would be illegally copying all bins and libs onto MeeGoCE :P Jul 12 14:37:58 Ah - diddn't realise there was hardware incompatibilities WRET thumbn in the processor Jul 12 14:38:08 Which would at least require a trap emulator layer Jul 12 14:39:18 achipa: I'm just asking for a single manifest that enables virtually everything for root when in developer-mode Jul 12 14:39:19 - Jul 12 14:39:25 ops Jul 12 14:41:36 speedevil, just some binary conversion :) Jul 12 14:41:47 #harmattan getting on pace slowly Jul 12 14:42:04 DocScrutinizer: yes, I know, I fully expect someone to make a "superbash" package that has all the grantable tokens Jul 12 14:42:11 Jaffa: you might want to /join #harmattan Jul 12 14:42:19 DocScrutinizer: Already did 30 seconds ago :) Jul 12 14:42:26 :-) Jul 12 14:42:32 achipa: ^^^? Jul 12 14:42:39 #harmattan? Jul 12 14:42:56 achipa: great! Jul 12 14:43:02 (superbash) Jul 12 14:43:46 superbash? Jul 12 14:43:51 * SpeedEvil wants superuboot. Jul 12 15:09:24 achipa: well once there are docs and its easier to automate it, I'll give it some love :) Jul 12 15:10:37 achipa: I am used to scp-ing the cross compiled files for all my devices, so yeah, I'll take a while, but I'll come around :P Jul 12 15:11:11 I'm pretty sure you can jerry-rig a process that would catch and execute your stuff Jul 12 15:11:34 but as dpkg is the priority, the SDK naturally uses that by default Jul 12 15:11:59 yup, agreed Jul 12 15:12:08 how can i tell ls to show whether an object is symlink or not? ls -la should show that, but not in my case Jul 12 15:12:12 achipa: I just like to rant, so dont mind me :P Jul 12 15:12:15 i do ls -la /opt Jul 12 15:12:30 isn't it a symlink to /home/opt ? Jul 12 15:13:56 vdv: it's a bindmount Jul 12 15:14:00 iirc Jul 12 15:15:13 ah, right, thanks Jul 12 15:15:59 /home/opt on /opt type none (bind) Jul 12 15:16:14 achipa: so far everything that has been done is awesome :) Jul 12 15:17:08 indeed, docs on devel.nokia seem better han ever Jul 12 15:17:23 still missing some bits Jul 12 15:17:42 yeah, It was so easy to learn the qt-components bits, lovely docs Jul 12 15:24:11 note: the method I mentioned yesterday does work for running arbitrary (without digsig) binaries, at least as user. Jul 12 15:24:24 javispedro: which one? Jul 12 15:24:39 aegis-developer-mode --relaxec-exec Jul 12 15:24:57 *relaxed (damn, this word seems to refuse being spelt correctly) Jul 12 15:25:17 javispedro: ah, thanks Jul 12 15:25:30 is there a way to build N9 packages without scratchbox ? Jul 12 15:25:50 was that a new record of "ask question -> leave"? Jul 12 15:26:13 he didn't even wait for the answer =) Jul 12 15:26:18 javispedro: naah, 9 seconds gap, so no Jul 12 15:27:15 btw, if you are serious about that #harmattan channel (I still think it's a bad idea), please have it logged ASAP. Jul 12 15:27:36 otherwise it is an information black hole, like Facebook or similar sites. Jul 12 15:28:55 ~seen mgedmin Jul 12 15:28:57 mgedmin is currently on #maemo #storm, last said: '/home is on the root fs, so reflashing wipes it -- it's only /home/user/MyDocs that's preserved (unless you reflash eMMC)'. Jul 12 15:30:44 yeah harmattan discussion really can just be here probably :/ Jul 12 15:30:50 I'm trying to reflash my n900 with the fiasco but I'm having trouble getting a connection with my windows pc. (Win 7 32bit) Any suggestions for a solution? Jul 12 15:32:46 nmjnb: do you get a normal connection to win 7? Jul 12 15:33:11 CaCO3: no, it's been a while since that worked. Jul 12 15:33:44 I try putting it in pc suite mode, but still doesn't find my phone. Just connecting to copy from/to internal memory is no problem. Jul 12 15:33:54 nmjnb: I am not even sure if it works on win 7. could you try on an win XP or linux? Jul 12 15:34:46 I thought it would be alright with 32bit OS. I don't have an XP right here, I do have a machine running Ubuntu Server UEC. Would that work? Jul 12 15:35:10 Moo. Jul 12 15:35:15 moo RST38h Jul 12 15:35:27 nmjnb: well, if you can copy data from/to it, then it seems to be ok Jul 12 15:35:53 nmjnb: for teh flasher, just reboot the phone while keyboard open and "U" pressed Jul 12 15:35:55 I could install a virtual in virtualbox, but I don't know if it get's full connection to the usb-ports or if windows will control the flow somehow. Jul 12 15:36:10 People in australia now probably think I'm a perv and it's all Ovi's fault Jul 12 15:36:29 achipa: Why do they? Jul 12 15:36:35 CaCO3: I did that, but I should have the flasher running on the computer, right? And that's what I did, but it said it couldn't find any device. Jul 12 15:37:48 I demoed ovi store deep integration. Unfortunately the only content available for the region and device (and thus served in my demo application) was http://store.ovi.com/content/49927 Jul 12 15:38:00 oops Jul 12 15:38:22 nmjnb: you should also be able to start the flasher while the phone is waiting (showing the USB icon on top right corner) Jul 12 15:38:33 achipa: wrong window? :P Jul 12 15:38:56 no, wrong content - thanks to Ovi store :( Jul 12 15:39:13 achipa: at least it was a hottie.. Jul 12 15:39:33 and people pay for that???? Jul 12 15:39:45 yes, your demo will now be forever burned into the minds of your audience =) Jul 12 15:39:48 CaCO3: I've tried that also, no luck. Jul 12 15:40:02 (not that it is not nice, but I never would give money :) Jul 12 15:40:08 They pay just to download that picture? Jul 12 15:40:28 nmjnb: whichg flasher are you using? Jul 12 15:40:31 yeah, they will surely remember ... though not necessarily in the best of ways Jul 12 15:42:03 flasher 3.11.3 is what it says in one of the text files but I don't know for sure.. Jul 12 15:42:13 it's the only up to date windows version. Jul 12 15:42:23 nmjnb: double check, if you downloaded the N900 one or the N950 one Jul 12 15:44:21 I usually use maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2 Jul 12 15:44:28 actually, on the page it said n950, but I assumed it would be backwards compatible Jul 12 15:45:16 nmjnb: its not, grab the N900 one Jul 12 15:45:46 there is none that say it's compatible for the n900. I'll check the old downloads. Jul 12 15:46:03 nope, none that say it's for the n900 Jul 12 15:46:19 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Jul 12 15:46:41 nmjnb: maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe Jul 12 15:47:03 nmjnb: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for Windows 7, XP and Vista (x86, 32-bit), thats one you need Jul 12 15:47:12 hiemanshu: ok, strange that they don't write that it's for the n900 then Jul 12 15:47:33 nmjnb: N900 is fremantle :P Jul 12 15:47:42 well, up to now it was for all devices I guess, but now N950 got a new one Jul 12 15:49:18 hiemanshu: hehe, ok.. I'm not a developer... :P Jul 12 15:50:04 just trying to get more out of my phone. And right now I got a bit too much.. installing the "kernel power" kernel. Got some issues so I'm trying to revert. Jul 12 15:51:00 nmjnb: I suggest to use backum-menu. always helped me to restore a working system Jul 12 15:52:07 CaCO3: what's that? Jul 12 15:52:43 how i input numbers in dosbox on n900? Jul 12 15:53:39 nmjnb: http://maemo.org/packages/view/backupmenu/ Jul 12 15:53:59 works great for me Jul 12 15:55:05 can I install it from aptitude? Jul 12 15:55:17 javispedro: google suggests ypu know the trick :) Jul 12 15:55:33 btw, I tried the other flasher, still same problem. It doesn't find the unit. Perhaps it's a problem with my OS then. Jul 12 15:55:42 slonopotamus_: what's your n900 keyboard layout? us? Jul 12 15:55:57 javispedro: ru Jul 12 15:56:18 javispedro: with broken-minded arrows :) Jul 12 15:56:40 you will even find it in the package manager or also attitude if you prefer Jul 12 15:56:48 broken minded arrows? meaning you don't have 4 separate keys for the arrows? Jul 12 15:56:51 slono: that can be fixed Jul 12 15:56:57 hmm, still no DHL email Jul 12 15:56:59 CaCO3: ok, thanks Jul 12 15:57:19 slono: there is a proper cyrillic keyboard, apparently chinese made Jul 12 15:57:20 but I guess it's too late now anyway. I need to get a new kernel in. Jul 12 15:57:21 nmjnb: 2 keys, up/left and down/right (need Fn) Jul 12 15:57:46 RST38h: that's irrelevant, i just want to type numbers into dosbox :) Jul 12 15:57:58 slonopotamus_: well, ru layout is not done =) but if you only need numbers, or can stand US layout, get http://depot.javispedro.com/dosbox/rover/rover.sys , place it on C: , and run keyb rover.sys us Jul 12 15:59:44 javispedro: and how i enter numbers after that? Jul 12 15:59:55 hold fn + number key Jul 12 16:00:11 Fn + the upper row, I guess Jul 12 16:00:25 javispedro: keyb said "No layout auto". is it ok? Jul 12 16:00:53 javispedro: pressing Fn immediately produces a backtick :/ Jul 12 16:01:00 no, it's ok. Jul 12 16:01:52 is this dosbox from extras? or is this someone else's? Jul 12 16:01:58 *it's not ok :) Jul 12 16:02:16 extras Jul 12 16:02:39 javispedro: also, in terminal: KEYB: ./rover.sys: Library file, but no layoutName Jul 12 16:03:42 "keyb rover.sys us" Jul 12 16:03:45 javispedro: at least arrows work (as in us layout, 4 separate keys) Jul 12 16:03:48 also remember DOS uses \, not forward slash Jul 12 16:04:21 javispedro: woot Jul 12 16:05:05 if someone likes to play games on their n900, the us layout is also needed to get the 4 arrows. Most games are made for them. Jul 12 16:05:25 I can just walk to the sides, get's boring after 2 hours... ;) Jul 12 16:06:52 holy crap, eye of beholder I on n900 :D Jul 12 16:11:19 hi, my n900 boots up and i get sim card registration failure? how can i fix this?, tryed to reflash it but didnt work Jul 12 16:12:04 Triscar0: did you try a restart and removing/reinstalling the sim? Jul 12 16:12:19 yes, can try again. Jul 12 16:12:36 and is it working on another phone? Jul 12 16:13:30 check SIM with other phone, check phone with other SIM Jul 12 16:14:09 Triscar0: try putting something between sim card holder and battery :) folded piece of paper, for example Jul 12 16:14:26 slonopotamus_: meh Jul 12 16:15:01 DocScrutinizer: that fixed mine :) Jul 12 16:15:03 slonopotamus_: will at least need to be skin of a lizard Jul 12 16:15:08 "http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" Jul 12 16:15:12 javispedro: no right-click? Jul 12 16:15:16 no Jul 12 16:15:57 I can't access the extras devel repo from my n900 Jul 12 16:16:45 Sub-process gzip returned an error code, so I have an issue with my gunzip? Jul 12 16:16:58 slonopotamus_: if that helped then not because it did anything with SIM, but because it bent the mainboard so the solderballs of modem chip BGA got some temporary contact again Jul 12 16:18:01 slonopotamus_: SpeedEvil could fix his by pressing "E" key on kbd, or did it break things? cant rememeber Jul 12 16:20:24 Triscar0: clean the SIM contacts and gold dprings in cardholder with unvarnished paper like business card. try SIM on other phone to make sure it's not an account issue, clean contacts again, test with other SIM. If that all doesn't help, you're in for a repair or a N8 Jul 12 16:20:38 javispedro: i can't fight :( Jul 12 16:23:45 DocScrutinizer: not me - maybe someone else Jul 12 16:24:28 DocScrutinizer, it works in my other phone, but the problem was that lost it on the floor and the touch screen dident work, people called me but i culd not answer. but when i fixed the touch screen and booted up i get the sim error Jul 12 16:26:18 looks like another order has gone through. Jul 12 16:26:29 Oh wait, he's on "New Order" too :D Jul 12 16:27:06 Triscar0: seems your modem is broken then Jul 12 16:27:44 alterego: who? :P Jul 12 16:28:20 one thing that's bugging me; Seeing all this talk about relentless F5ing I wonder.. am I the only one who actually uses ctrl+R instead of F5? Jul 12 16:28:31 if you're lucky it'sonly the SIM holder that is broken Jul 12 16:29:06 qole Jul 12 16:29:11 hiemanshu: ^ Jul 12 16:29:28 cpscotti: maybe yeah Jul 12 16:29:36 but I fixed my F5 key :P Jul 12 16:29:37 again Jul 12 16:29:43 alterego: Yeah, I thought he was shipped too at first Jul 12 16:29:53 ah ok Jul 12 16:30:50 hiemanshu, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/385367/what-requests-do-browsers-f5-and-ctrl-f5-refreshes-generate :D Jul 12 16:31:18 cpscotti: yeah, I know that :P Jul 12 16:31:51 hiemanshu, .. that's how paranoid I am :D Jul 12 16:32:08 cpscotti: but you are getting yours, got a tracking number yet? Jul 12 16:32:27 yup! Jul 12 16:32:35 http://www.dhl.fi/content/fi/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=9574566842%0D%0A Jul 12 16:32:39 lolhehe Jul 12 16:33:06 cpscotti: bad idea to share it with me, I am going to intercept the package and steal it Jul 12 16:33:38 if you really are paranoid, use this: http://www.check4change.com Jul 12 16:34:22 hiemanshu, lol Jul 12 16:34:42 cpscotti: you know I'll do it, I have a lot of contacts in London Jul 12 16:34:53 CaCO3, cool! :D Jul 12 16:35:02 hiemanshu, would you be THAT evil? Jul 12 16:35:11 cpscotti: ja Jul 12 16:37:09 hiemanshu, goosh! What did I do! :O Jul 12 16:37:22 cpscotti: got yours shipped before mine? Jul 12 16:39:20 hiemanshu, hmm.. almost fair.. Yours will be shipped soon dude.. be cool Jul 12 16:39:35 cpscotti: I know I know, I am just bored right now Jul 12 16:41:55 * cpscotti trying the "Negotiator" role. Jul 12 16:42:43 I need to buy an X7 as well some time soon Jul 12 16:43:05 just for the 4" AMOLED screen Jul 12 16:50:44 hiemanshu: why not get a screen from ebay, and try and solder it to your n950 when it arrives...could be the first hw mod ;) Jul 12 16:51:05 piggz: hah, if only it was that easy :P Jul 12 16:51:46 piggz: well the X7 can house a uSD card, so makes sense to get one and load some movies/music on it Jul 12 16:55:14 Boo #harmattan. Jaffa / DocScrutinizer. Jul 12 16:55:44 eh? Jul 12 16:56:21 Just use #maemo and #meego Jul 12 16:56:29 This place needs productive life in it anyway. Jul 12 16:56:31 ~optification Jul 12 16:56:32 hmm... optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3 Jul 12 16:58:25 GeneralAntilles: I guess there will be more productive life related to M5 when there aren't 90% annoying posts about meego-harmattan specific stuff Jul 12 16:58:41 Mmm Jul 12 16:58:42 Doubt it. Jul 12 16:58:52 I'm not adding another channel to my mix. Jul 12 17:00:39 [2011-07-12 06:25:08] MohammadAG: well the problems don't fit in the #meego* channels (unless it's CE) and at least the marketing side is probably sad about anything that associates it with maemo, even if it is maemo6 Jul 12 17:01:06 not the whole story which involved x-fade as well iirc Jul 12 17:01:39 If we see that things have settled we can just redirect the channel here or wherever appropriate Jul 12 17:05:11 DocScrutinizer, still cant get it to work with a pease off paper behind the sim and battery:D Jul 12 17:05:26 * RST38h equates Harmattan with Maemo Jul 12 17:05:34 Whatever the marketing has been forced to say Jul 12 17:06:16 Besides, mentioning Harmattan on #meego will cause Qt and Intel people permanent butthurt Jul 12 17:06:35 them hates it Jul 12 17:08:55 Triscar0: told you it has to be lizard skin at very least. Mere cheap paper won't do Jul 12 17:12:37 ebay has a listing for an n950 car holder...looks very generic, wonder if its ok Jul 12 17:12:51 http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2011/07/12/wp7-very-small-admits-ballmer.htm Jul 12 17:14:01 "You know, a year ago we didn't have a phone in the market. Now we're charging forward with Nokia." Jul 12 17:15:14 hey, pat the man in the back. Jul 12 17:15:42 s/pat/? Jul 12 17:15:58 * RST38h looks for a shovel Jul 12 17:16:11 that would work too. Jul 12 17:16:27 does anyone know why an app using QtLocation needs to be run with ld_library_path=/opt/qtm12/lib .... should that not be a default directory to search in? Jul 12 17:16:41 yeah, he more i play with harmattan, the more i feel depressed about it being abandoned Jul 12 17:18:02 so, will micronokia tank or will they actually succeed in increasing WP7 market share? Jul 12 17:18:27 currently WP7's market share is lower than that of the _old_ PalmOS devices =) Jul 12 17:18:52 but higher than meego :P Jul 12 17:19:43 Not surprising given the lack of devices. Jul 12 17:20:47 i still feel that meego is just a victim of symbian Jul 12 17:21:16 naaaah, android is the next symbian Jul 12 17:21:37 i've heard too many rumours of symbian folks trying to delay meego/maemo because they saw it as replacing their jobs Jul 12 17:21:57 symbian isnt that bad...by test device, a 5800 with no sim in it, has a battery life of ~1 month when not on any network Jul 12 17:22:05 or of symbian folks being transferred to meego/maemo and being completely incompetent (see symbian quality/features for details) Jul 12 17:22:28 ieatlint: lol Jul 12 17:22:57 piggz: symbian is the windows me of the smartphone world Jul 12 17:23:22 ieatlint: and android is the vista? Jul 12 17:23:40 win 3.11 was revolutionary in its day, and so was win95... but they just kept patching an outdated and shaky base until suddenly there was win me Jul 12 17:23:47 and that today is symbian 3 Jul 12 17:24:02 hiemanshu: haha, perhaps Jul 12 17:24:16 well, i always knew winme was terrible, i havnt had the same feelings for symbian Jul 12 17:24:22 yes it is old Jul 12 17:24:23 ieatlint: well it was an upgrade from XP, with more features, but slower and stupid Jul 12 17:24:32 except android is far more fractured Jul 12 17:24:42 I have loved the S60v1/2/3 devices for a long long time Jul 12 17:24:55 piggz, so did the 770. Jul 12 17:25:07 i loved my n80 with s60v3 Jul 12 17:25:23 but i have an n8, c7 and e7, all on symbian 3, and bleh Jul 12 17:25:26 i loved my e71 Jul 12 17:26:02 used the e7 as my primary phone for 3 months, it had little things that were nice Jul 12 17:26:05 but overall just sucked Jul 12 17:54:21 * Sicelo is reading up on the Y-cable for hostmode Jul 12 17:55:41 hi, i got a new device and used Backupmenu to restore. Some apps won't start: error while loading shared libraries: libQtGui.so4 Jul 12 17:55:48 /var/cache/ does not contain any lists. What to do? Jul 12 18:02:13 how can i unmute my n900 using dbus? Jul 12 18:03:07 I think the unfortunate thing about these shipping delays is that Nokia's losing a lot of enthusiasm from their devs. Jul 12 18:03:24 hanspeter: You may find what you need probably here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Jul 12 18:04:47 today i loadbattery at my n900 and it restarts then im looking vor reason in lifeguard_restarts and there are this /usr/bin/ohm-session-agent: 1 Jul 12 18:05:16 and this /usr/bin/syncd: 1 /usr/sbin/browserd -d: 1 Jul 12 18:05:47 then i will look vor proc/bootreason and there is the same and know aprox. 45min later the files is empty Jul 12 18:05:55 why does it restart Jul 12 18:07:25 anyone know something or can help Jul 12 18:09:30 GeneralAntilles: i doubt it.....all the comments seem to be in jest, im sure everyon knows they will come Jul 12 18:11:19 hah! Jul 12 18:13:30 ? Jul 12 18:13:36 I bet my n950 is the first to lose the dreaded developer edition branding! >:D Jul 12 18:13:42 * javispedro purged it Jul 12 18:15:18 for the record, you need to edit themes/blanco/meegotouch/constants.ini, remove references to dev_ Jul 12 18:16:05 javispedro: maybe I'll make an app to do all this :D Jul 12 18:16:06 and themes/base/meegotouch/sysuid/style/statusarea.css, remove references to dadd Jul 12 18:16:18 javispedro: care to upload the edited files? Jul 12 18:16:26 hiemanshu: dunno whether nokia wants us to remove the branding ;) Jul 12 18:16:42 javispedro: MEH, I am gonna remove it either ways Jul 12 18:17:31 I can upload base (free) but not blanco (nonfree) Jul 12 18:17:36 either way the changes are trivial Jul 12 18:17:48 there's just like 4 lines in each Jul 12 18:17:56 ah ok Jul 12 18:18:06 javispedro: add it to your wiki page or something? Jul 12 18:18:48 I want JR ACME Edition Jul 12 18:19:04 :-P Jul 12 18:19:08 i cant decide what to code tonight.... Jul 12 18:20:09 jacekowski: the branding makes it more desirable :) Jul 12 18:20:18 javispedro: can you change the text though? Jul 12 18:20:29 ieatlint: it's an image. Jul 12 18:20:41 for instance, can i change it to say "WINDOWS PHONE 7" and then convince a bunch of people at the pub that it's the new secret edition coming out? Jul 12 18:20:56 you could probably theme it to resemble wp7 Jul 12 18:20:58 meh Jul 12 18:21:33 theme it to resemble wordperfect YEAH Jul 12 18:22:06 I really hate WP7's fonts. Jul 12 18:22:12 someone go make a "February 11th, 2011: Never Forget" theme Jul 12 18:22:16 but then they'd be like 'wp7 is so cool, i gotta get one', and then they might beat you up when they reaslise its shit Jul 12 18:22:39 can anyone explain me what the bootreasons are mean? Jul 12 18:24:37 I wonder when WP got replaced by OOo on my machine, while I didn't notice :-/ Jul 12 18:24:38 hiemanshu: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/N950#Remove_.22developer_edition.22_branding Jul 12 18:25:01 javispedro: ty Jul 12 18:25:33 today i loadbattery at my n900 and it restarts then im looking vor reason in lifeguard_restarts and there are this /usr/bin/ohm-session-agent: 1 /usr/bin/syncd: 1 /usr/sbin/browserd -d: 1 Jul 12 18:27:06 only wordmaster that came with wordstar on CPM was maybe more awesome than WP Jul 12 18:27:36 an interview with Chris Dibona in Der Standard. Within, he declares Android as "... the dream come true. It's your Linux desktop, it's tthe ultimate success story of Linux that I've been working on personally since 1995." Jul 12 18:27:57 sucker Jul 12 18:28:14 heya vdvsx Jul 12 18:28:31 VDVsx: duh, long time no see Jul 12 18:28:57 RST38h: DocScrutinizer hey, was here last weekend, IIRC :) Jul 12 18:29:05 RST38h: no way, since 1995? Jul 12 18:29:07 hmm Jul 12 18:29:08 Doc:On the other hand, hard to argue with him seeing how Android has dropped the software prices to pretty much 0 Jul 12 18:29:13 javispedr: yeaaah Jul 12 18:29:35 suuuuuuuuure. Jul 12 18:29:39 I'm losing the overview Jul 12 18:29:48 im waiting Jul 12 18:29:50 Doc: The Android Market is overflowing with free or dirt cheap stuff. Not a lot of it is original or even working, but it is Free! Jul 12 18:30:01 no way to get all the BeOS and PalmOS influence if he started on 1995. Jul 12 18:30:07 You wanted free shit, you have got free shit!=) Jul 12 18:30:11 Unless he means he started eyeing hiring Be guys in the '95s =) Jul 12 18:30:36 javispedro: I think he is counting from the creating of the Linux kernel or something Jul 12 18:30:41 creation Jul 12 18:31:19 more like some epoch he just made up, like when he installed mandrake for the first time or the like Jul 12 18:31:23 errr Jul 12 18:31:56 Android is this decade's Windows CE. Jul 12 18:32:08 100% true Jul 12 18:32:35 And Nokia has lost the opportunity between the death of CE an the arrival of Android Jul 12 18:33:25 it's curious. wasn't symbian 100% free for a time? Jul 12 18:33:37 no do notthink so Jul 12 18:33:51 Also even if it were free, can you imagine the cost of hw adaptation? Jul 12 18:34:15 yeah. Jul 12 18:34:32 but Android's cost surely was similarly high in the first days Jul 12 18:34:40 no, way less Jul 12 18:34:45 Android is Linux based after all Jul 12 18:35:02 CE also wasn't very costly to port Jul 12 18:35:08 simple reason Jul 12 18:35:21 back then, SOC, board, etc. manufacturers provided BSPs Jul 12 18:35:34 still doo Jul 12 18:35:48 but these days you see more providing linux stuff Jul 12 18:35:52 there was still a cost for android, you had to pay to include the google apps Jul 12 18:36:33 so, chinese did not include google apps Jul 12 18:36:34 RST38h: there was a time during the CE -> Linux transition where you had to basically wait for someone with deeper pockets to do the Linux adaptation for you (see first Palm Pre) Jul 12 18:36:52 nowadays they just get it from SOC provider Jul 12 18:37:01 mmm...yes and no Jul 12 18:37:02 See Open Embedded Jul 12 18:37:09 Also see Embedded Valley company Jul 12 18:37:11 they _used_ Open Embedded. Jul 12 18:37:49 and yet the kernel work had to eventually come from nokia.. Jul 12 18:37:55 anyway, I think Dibona has drunk too much koolaid Jul 12 18:38:43 as usual Jul 12 18:40:06 Is there a Qt Components for Fremantle yet? Jul 12 18:42:16 GeneralAntilles: yes Jul 12 18:42:40 yes? Jul 12 18:42:45 where= Jul 12 18:42:46 ? Jul 12 18:43:28 docscrutinizer no time? Jul 12 18:43:37 alterego, ping? Jul 12 18:43:52 ah, i have it from an inside source ;) Jul 12 18:44:27 I have an N900, be easier to test with that. Jul 12 18:44:53 http://pastebin.com/Kj9f8RDL Jul 12 18:45:07 This is pretty funny: http://www.youtube.com/nokia Jul 12 18:45:28 * ruskie wonders when someone will make a nice app that will make use of the accelrometer and would get a random post from icanhascheezeburger and related pages and possibly other pages as well... Jul 12 18:46:25 GeneralAntilles: the N950 & N9 ads have so far been all .... design student's orgasms as tvtropes put it... Jul 12 18:46:38 lol Jul 12 18:47:50 javispedro: They ARE design student orgasms, the evil Finns are keeping their design interns captive, torturing them into creation of these ads! Jul 12 18:48:33 well, _some_ marketing is better than nothing! Jul 12 18:48:39 so I say keep them captive for the time being. Jul 12 18:52:28 oh Jul 12 18:52:40 just realized that the few seconds of the n9 commercial are the n950 bootscreen Jul 12 18:52:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRbktl-yZPQ Jul 12 18:53:51 n9 is that the n900 or n8 successor Jul 12 18:53:53 (the sanest ad of them all, because it at least _showcases_ the phone itself..) Jul 12 18:54:56 Itschue: sorta both Jul 12 18:55:37 * RST38h wonders if anyone at Nokia marketing dpt is considering suicide nowadays, with all the contradicting messages that have to deliver... Jul 12 18:55:58 RST38h: I would think that would be their highest calling. Jul 12 18:56:01 sorta? Jul 12 18:56:36 N950 is mighty cooool^H^Hwait, it is not sold to the users, only to developers, ok N9 then, really goood, oh, no, N9 will not be a success even if it a success, it will run Windows instead ehrrrm Jul 12 18:56:48 RST38h: somehow I think the message is to ignore all of that and just tell the audience "here is a new shiny phone. it runs some OS you might not know. buy it." Jul 12 18:56:52 And I am not even touching on the Symbian stuff =) Jul 12 18:57:26 javispedro: Yea, that is the only solution, other than calling in sick Jul 12 18:57:30 The kind of person who goes into marketing is the kind who can hold three contradictory ideas in their head simultaneously and think all of them are awesome. Jul 12 18:57:49 javispedro: But then, even THAT message will have to change to the opposite really quick Jul 12 18:58:05 derf: I.e. a clinical imbecile? Jul 12 18:58:31 RST38h: I don't think a clinical imbecile could hold three ideas in their head, simultaneously or not. Jul 12 18:59:59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn7zUOKcQzk&feature=related the first featur is great Jul 12 19:00:33 you mean the oled screen always turned on? Jul 12 19:01:01 well, an oled "pixel" has around 1 year expected life. Jul 12 19:01:26 (when always on) Jul 12 19:01:56 but of course it is not always on Jul 12 19:02:17 the clock moves around seemingly Jul 12 19:02:31 no thze clock and other inormation on the screen Jul 12 19:03:08 but the screen can be off and double click show time calls sms Jul 12 19:25:56 *HI* Jul 12 19:45:58 DocScrutinizer: the calltimer scripts returns 0 for me :(, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=501624&postcount=6 Jul 12 19:46:16 DocScrutinizer: although i do see end_time being updated in the sqlite table Jul 12 20:08:55 is it possible to search repos with dpkg or apt-get? Jul 12 20:09:09 *search for a given package Jul 12 20:10:06 apt-cache search Jul 12 20:10:37 wmarone, thanks :) Jul 12 20:21:13 any idea how to configure dbus-scripts properly to startup and listen to the users session bus too? Jul 12 20:24:31 ah .. wiki to the rescue Jul 12 20:24:55 did you sorrt it? Jul 12 20:25:52 wow, now that's one nasty red indicator light above the 950's main camera Jul 12 20:26:40 cehteh: I wonder as well Jul 12 20:26:50 http://wiki.maemo.org/DbusScripts#Running_dbus-scripts_on_the_session_bus Jul 12 20:26:50 mind to share a link? Jul 12 20:26:54 :-) Jul 12 20:27:18 but stop ... Jul 12 20:27:27 i just do: Jul 12 20:27:40 cat /etc/default/dbus-scripts Jul 12 20:27:46 DAEMON_OPTS="--system" Jul 12 20:27:47 .. Jul 12 20:27:50 change that to Jul 12 20:27:55 DAEMON_OPTS="--system --session" Jul 12 20:27:58 .. lemme try Jul 12 20:29:14 hmmmm Jul 12 20:29:17 dbus-monitor [--system | --session] Jul 12 20:29:40 though: Jul 12 20:29:44 IroN900:~# dbus-monitor --system --session Jul 12 20:29:45 signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=:1.133 serial=2 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameAcquired Jul 12 20:31:18 yeah lemme try Jul 12 20:32:17 well i wondering because it must listen to the users dbus session and not to root's Jul 12 20:32:23 ok this doesnt work Jul 12 20:33:15 ah it doesnt use the /etc/defaults .. upstate hardcodes --system Jul 12 20:34:01 fsck Jul 12 20:35:34 * cehteh pukes on upstart Jul 12 20:36:05 DocScrutinizer: Did you try that script? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=501624&postcount=6 Jul 12 20:37:53 DocScrutinizer: i suspect the database structure changed in PR1.2 causing the sql to fail. Jul 12 20:38:12 trumee: indeed, it did - iirc Jul 12 20:38:36 DocScrutinizer: i need a sql pro to look into it :) Jul 12 20:39:08 hoot Jul 12 20:39:12 shoot even Jul 12 20:39:30 I'm no pro, but I used it a bit in the past Jul 12 20:47:10 start dbus-scripts-session Jul 12 20:47:12 start: dbus-scripts-session respawning too fast, stopped Jul 12 20:47:22 .. i luv yo upstart Jul 12 20:50:53 DocScrutinizer: there is no RTCOM_EL_EVENTTYPE_CALL_OUTBOUND, need to remove the _OUTBOUND bit from the string. then it works. Jul 12 20:58:34 trumee: this will most probably count *all* calls (i.e. inbound as well as outbound) Jul 12 20:59:13 GeneralAntilles: Yours dispatched? Jul 12 20:59:18 Nope Jul 12 21:00:11 DocScrutinizer: true, my sqlite database EventTypes table is funny Jul 12 21:00:44 trumee: dump EventTypes table and see if you can spot what's the name of an outbound call event now Jul 12 21:00:44 DocScrutinizer: there no 'id' 2 in the data Jul 12 21:01:00 DocScrutinizer: yes, dont see the outbound call event in there Jul 12 21:01:49 trumee: dump eventlogger table and spot an outbound call, see what EventType it got Jul 12 21:02:19 got it working meanwhile Jul 12 21:02:20 GeneralAntilles: Oh well. DocScrutinizer's right j if you make a lot of phone calls, 1.2011.22-6 isn't a primary device OS. I've had reception/audio problems after about 90 seconds on phone calls. Jul 12 21:03:09 Yeah, maybe 2-3 phonecalls a week. Jul 12 21:03:42 Similar here. Switching to speaker phone and back 'seems* to help Jul 12 21:03:59 Seems like it'd be a wise idea for them to get the latest firmware to devs ASAP Jul 12 21:04:10 But it also seems like it'd be a wise idea for them to get DEVICES to devs ASAP. Jul 12 21:04:15 Jaffa: seems you are using a device where "-" is symbol of "j"? ;-) Jul 12 21:04:22 also, browser crashes a lot Jul 12 21:04:26 _a lot_ Jul 12 21:04:54 javispedro, is Fennec available? Jul 12 21:05:11 not in the base image Jul 12 21:05:20 dunno if they have packaged it for harmattan somewhere Jul 12 21:05:51 where maemo stores a list of repositories? i.e. which file? Jul 12 21:05:54 that's it - annoying Jul 12 21:06:08 ""dunno if they have packaged it for harmattan somewhere"" Jul 12 21:06:09 ? Jul 12 21:06:14 ? Jul 12 21:06:15 vdv: /etc/apt/ Jul 12 21:06:21 DocScrutinizer: bot incoming and outgoing calls have the same id '1' :( Jul 12 21:06:56 trumee: can you pastebin one inbound record plus one outbound record please? Jul 12 21:07:19 DocScrutinizer: i am using sqlitebrowser to see the records atm Jul 12 21:08:08 jacekowski, thanks Jul 12 21:08:14 trumee: there *has* to be a diff somewhere, as the phone history displays the direction of calls. Worst thing was they use a new database for that infobit now Jul 12 21:08:44 trumee: ok, to ease my life, please paste the cmdline here ;-) Jul 12 21:08:49 If only I could figure what order they're sending them out in. Jul 12 21:08:50 what's the difference between "deb http://..." and "deb-src http://" ? Jul 12 21:08:54 I'll look up in my own databease Jul 12 21:08:58 GeneralAntilles: yours last Jul 12 21:09:01 Maybe there's a game show wheel. Jul 12 21:09:03 javispedro, HATE Jul 12 21:09:18 * javispedro idly swipes on his n950 Jul 12 21:09:41 vdv: I think the one is for source repos Jul 12 21:09:50 trumee: it's not id Jul 12 21:09:53 I might be totally wrong Jul 12 21:09:58 trumee: there was some other column for that Jul 12 21:10:23 trumee: you're still with us? Jul 12 21:10:42 http://pastebin.com/GuPK81tk Jul 12 21:10:42 trumee: meanwhile I could have studied the manpage :-P Jul 12 21:11:24 jacekowski: it is the event_type_id Jul 12 21:11:39 jacekowski: which seems to be 1 all the time Jul 12 21:11:58 jacekowski: also the EventTypes table doesnt have an id for OUTBOUND_CALLS Jul 12 21:12:02 trumee: the inbound is sofiasip but maybe that's not realy relevant Jul 12 21:12:32 trumee: when i was looking at it, it worked Jul 12 21:12:32 DocScrutinizer: yes, i would have thought both gsm and sip calls should have the same event_id Jul 12 21:13:06 jacekowski: can you check if you have EventType for Outbound Calls? Jul 12 21:13:30 trumee: my n900 is fubar now Jul 12 21:13:38 i've decided to buy an iphone Jul 12 21:13:43 iphone lasted me 24 months Jul 12 21:13:49 n900 lasted only 14 Jul 12 21:14:03 it's not the same quality as it used to be Jul 12 21:14:03 :/ Jul 12 21:14:04 DocScrutinizer: ah, there is an outgoing column Jul 12 21:14:21 trumee: the second last int differs 0 / 1 Jul 12 21:14:33 DocScrutinizer: yeah, that is the outgoing column Jul 12 21:14:35 alterego: Jaffa: GeneralAntilles: you wanted to remove developer edition branding? ;) http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/N950 Jul 12 21:14:57 javispedro: do you want to sell your n950? Jul 12 21:15:02 javispedro: heh, cool Jul 12 21:15:07 javispedro, two of those people you highlighted just to be a bitch. Jul 12 21:15:12 trumee: so you know how to tweak the SQL query? Jul 12 21:15:17 DocScrutinizer: yes Jul 12 21:15:20 ok Jul 12 21:15:23 GeneralAntilles: MUAHAHA. Jul 12 21:15:24 Ah, cool. Jul 12 21:15:37 I had found the background watermarked images, but hadn't located the statusarea one. Jul 12 21:15:44 jacekowski: "NOT FOR SALE" imprinted on the device Jul 12 21:15:45 trumee: don't forget the updated script ;-) Jul 12 21:16:04 s/et/et to post/ Jul 12 21:16:05 DocScrutinizer meant: trumee: don't forget to post the updated script ;-) Jul 12 21:16:14 javispedro: do you want to give it to me for free? Jul 12 21:17:00 hum.. Jul 12 21:18:05 * DocScrutinizer giggles Jul 12 21:18:39 javispedro: that printing is easy to remove - I can lend you my Dremel and a soft polish disk Jul 12 21:18:56 oh Jul 12 21:19:12 Is it painted on or embossed? Jul 12 21:19:13 I just looked at the back of the device I realized I still have the camera lens protector Jul 12 21:19:20 no wonder it made crappy pictures Jul 12 21:19:21 pirinted Jul 12 21:19:25 Ah Jul 12 21:19:31 javispedro, s/imprinted/printed/ Jul 12 21:19:31 javispedro: MUHAHA Jul 12 21:19:52 javispedro: It move 3cm on my device Jul 12 21:19:55 http://www.thefreedictionary.com/imprint Jul 12 21:19:58 moved* Jul 12 21:20:06 Jul 12 21:20:28 * javispedro uses his n950 to browse to that URL Jul 12 21:20:28 hello Jul 12 21:20:49 how do i launch mediaplayer from cli? Jul 12 21:21:09 he's an ass, isn't he? Jul 12 21:21:48 vi__: ask MohammadAG - he should know Jul 12 21:21:57 vi__: there are several methods Jul 12 21:22:11 depending on what exactly you want to get launched Jul 12 21:22:24 DocScrutinizer, if only he realized how thin the ice really is. *g* Jul 12 21:22:31 :-P Jul 12 21:23:04 oh, I can already hear it cracking from here =) Jul 12 21:23:05 what does "W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )" Jul 12 21:23:09 mean? Jul 12 21:23:23 DocScrutinizer: done. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1049732&postcount=44 Jul 12 21:23:30 :-) Jul 12 21:24:06 DocScrutinizer: next step is get a popup if i exceed my free minutes Jul 12 21:24:09 javispedro: No *baddJ* references in step 2 for me Jul 12 21:24:43 trumee: you want to link this to the trigger that updates the call duration at end of call Jul 12 21:25:22 Jaffa: sorry, "dadd-" Jul 12 21:25:35 DocScrutinizer: ? Jul 12 21:25:46 trumee: then ideally send a dbus-msg with sum of minutes on each end of call Jul 12 21:26:22 trumee: there's a trigger (stored procedure I guess) that updates the end time of call - aiui Jul 12 21:26:24 it's nice having a laptop that can resume. Jul 12 21:26:27 inside that database Jul 12 21:26:44 DocScrutinizer: or, i can use dbus-scripts when the phone app is invoked , check for the free minutes available and give a popup Jul 12 21:26:51 trumee: ideal place to also calculate the minutes total, and send it in a dbus-signal Jul 12 21:26:55 vdv: if this is for extras devel, you can put "fremantle" in distribution field (without version) Jul 12 21:27:09 javispedro: ta Jul 12 21:27:37 DocScrutinizer: hmm, so the dbus signal is sent out at the end of the call rather than before i start making a new call Jul 12 21:27:47 trumee: that's my next suggestion then, just you listen to this signal *you* send from the call-end stored procedure inside the sql db trigger Jul 12 21:27:56 ;) Jul 12 21:28:29 trumee: wouldn't it be rather useless to send a signal at start of call? Jul 12 21:28:29 DocScrutinizer: not sure if i can send a dbus signal from the trigger function in the db Jul 12 21:28:32 what does apt-get update do? does it update packages? or just package database? Jul 12 21:28:39 trumee: me neither Jul 12 21:29:03 but in a proper fulsize SQL it would work Jul 12 21:29:24 DocScrutinizer: as soon as i make the outgoing call, the popup will tell me that i have exceeded the free minutes, so i can stop that call Jul 12 21:29:24 as SQL has a method to call e.g dbus-send ninary Jul 12 21:29:27 binary Jul 12 21:29:33 one thing I wonder is why aegis doesn't crap itself when I edit theme files Jul 12 21:29:38 vdv: update => update database. upgrade => udate packages Jul 12 21:30:09 CaCO3, thanks Jul 12 21:30:17 trumee: I'd prefer a signal at end of call warning me about "7 minutes left", "6..." Jul 12 21:31:02 javispedro: possibly because themes are not considered critical (this could be a misconception) Jul 12 21:31:04 DocScrutinizer: right Jul 12 21:32:14 trumee: maybe my idea with the dbus-send from inside the stored procedure is too nifty to be elegant Jul 12 21:32:50 just do it as you suggested: use dbus-scripting to catch each start and end of a call, and then do whatever you like there Jul 12 21:33:00 way simpler to understand and to maintain Jul 12 21:33:19 DocScrutinizer: yeah Jul 12 21:34:05 javispedro: works perfectly :) Jul 12 21:34:47 trumee: you may even consider to start a while sleep 60; do... script on start of call, that checks for minutes left each minute during call, warns when minutes ->0, and gets killed on dbus-scripting sensing call-end Jul 12 21:35:05 so you are even safe with long calls Jul 12 21:35:42 good to know :) Jul 12 21:35:53 I request something for low battery Jul 12 21:36:07 once it switched off during a call without a warning :( Jul 12 21:36:15 DocScrutinizer: problem with that is that i will be holding the phone next to my ear and wont see the popup :) Jul 12 21:36:32 use the fibra Jul 12 21:36:35 trumee: vibrator is the magic item Jul 12 21:36:39 DocScrutinizer: i guess the phone could be made to vibrate Jul 12 21:36:47 LOOL Jul 12 21:37:24 DocScrutinizer: will stick with a popup for a start Jul 12 21:37:50 kicking vibra it extremely simple, as simple as a popup Jul 12 21:39:23 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders what will happen if you call >> play-sound warning.wav << during a call Jul 12 21:39:48 what's the difference between gcc-4.2 and gcc packages in SDK repository? Jul 12 21:40:41 DocScrutinizer: any idea how do i find the dbus message for a call termination? Jul 12 21:41:24 use dbus-monitor? Jul 12 21:41:37 mompls Jul 12 21:42:29 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 Jul 12 21:42:32 maybe helps Jul 12 21:43:03 trumee: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Jul 12 21:43:37 CaCO3: doesn't help as there's no dbus signals listed you could listen to, afaik Jul 12 21:44:38 yes, they are for sending signals not for listening Jul 12 21:45:11 ups, sorry didnt read it right Jul 12 21:45:20 ##@!!!&%đ€234!!!§$§§ Jul 12 21:45:37 of course play-sound during call is completely muted Jul 12 21:45:45 :( Jul 12 21:46:01 hail PA and its awesme mixing paowers Jul 12 21:46:10 good evening Jul 12 21:46:16 hi Venemo Jul 12 21:46:39 DocScrutinizer, is it sarcasm, or have you really come to like PA? :P Jul 12 21:46:45 DocScrutinizer: that message doesnt help Jul 12 21:47:01 Venemo: you're kidding? Jul 12 21:47:21 there has to be a way to play a sound while you are calling Jul 12 21:47:22 DocScrutinizer: it only gives the current state of the call. Jul 12 21:47:43 else you coudl not be notified about another call. Jul 12 21:47:46 DocScrutinizer: i dont want to poll the phone every minute :( Jul 12 21:47:48 Venemo: how much awesome mixing could be found in completely muting the play-sound output during a phonecall? Jul 12 21:48:34 I guess that was a decision to prevent dumb users from not hearing their calls Jul 12 21:48:43 trumee: sorry, I haven't looked into it, I knew I had that bookmark as it was sth I found worth a bookmark and it was related to callstate Jul 12 21:49:22 CaCO3: that's actually done *inside* the modem Jul 12 21:49:41 hmm :( Jul 12 21:49:52 letzt hack the HD ^^ Jul 12 21:49:54 I still had to learn N900 signals SIP calls during a GSM call Jul 12 21:49:55 HW Jul 12 21:50:24 OTOH I haven't learned yet it doesn't Jul 12 21:50:33 so your point might still hold Jul 12 21:51:51 alas all that PA crap esp alsaped is completely undocumented Jul 12 21:53:19 so you had to figure from thin air and cryptic examples how to teak any of those policies - probably named cmt-audio or likewise - to allow mixing in audio to the GSM PCM stream Jul 12 21:55:35 check /etc/pulse/* if you want to learn more Jul 12 21:56:01 also http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63997 Jul 12 21:56:31 (I wonder how this guy figured his tweaks - prolly mere guesswork) Jul 12 21:57:29 * Khertan is loosing time trying to understand how to selecting text in harmattan terminal Jul 12 21:57:42 trumee: for now vibrator is your best effort to meet the purpose Jul 12 21:58:15 DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=560222&postcount=8 Jul 12 21:58:27 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Start_vibrating Jul 12 21:58:40 DocScrutinizer: yes, saw that. Jul 12 21:58:59 DocScrutinizer: but i first need to figure out to trap the call hangup signal Jul 12 21:59:42 and the last thing i want is another daemon for checking the call state Jul 12 21:59:44 and that post you linked shall help on that? Jul 12 22:00:36 meh, use dbus-monitor, there are a zillion dbus signals on call end, it's just a matter of picking the best of the abundance Jul 12 22:00:47 ouch 4Gb reseved for aegis Jul 12 22:00:54 yup Jul 12 22:00:56 :-S Jul 12 22:01:07 cool eh :-/ Jul 12 22:01:09 DocScrutinizer: dbus-monitor outputs shit loads of messages on a call end Jul 12 22:01:12 yep indeed Jul 12 22:01:29 trumee: indeed, and all of these are related to call end Jul 12 22:02:00 I'd check for sender=cmt or sth like that, those are rather original Jul 12 22:03:04 ... git installed Jul 12 22:03:15 DocScrutinizer: i am just testing with sip calls. dont want to waste my free minutes :) Jul 12 22:03:36 DocScrutinizer: and guess sip calls generate much more dbus messages Jul 12 22:04:30 hum to setuptools in harmattan repository Jul 12 22:04:30 ;( Jul 12 22:05:30 DocScrutinizer: made a quick script to read magnetometer output: http://pastebin.com/AMGyLELK Jul 12 22:05:36 (python) Jul 12 22:05:41 * Khertan is amuzed by the fact that his QML version of khteditor look like faster on n900 than 950 :) Jul 12 22:05:50 javispedro: you are incredible Jul 12 22:06:39 wget it on n950 and run it via "python script.py" ... aegis won't complain ;) Jul 12 22:06:55 has anyone tried to get "motion" running? Jul 12 22:07:18 does aegis will complain of thing install "manually" in /usr/lib/python/dist-packages/ Jul 12 22:07:19 ? Jul 12 22:07:36 MUUUHAAAHAAAAAAA Jul 12 22:07:51 RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# chmod +x ./compass.sh Jul 12 22:07:52 RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# ./compass.sh Jul 12 22:07:53 -sh: ./compass.sh: Operation not permitted Jul 12 22:07:55 RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# Jul 12 22:07:59 DocScrutinizer: it's python, not bash. Jul 12 22:08:09 so what? Jul 12 22:08:15 MUUUHAAHAHAHA Epic failed :) Jul 12 22:08:18 and I told you to run it via "python ..." so that aegis wouldn't complain Jul 12 22:08:26 ooh Jul 12 22:08:38 there should be a little trollface picture next to every "Operation not permitted" Jul 12 22:08:40 even more muuuhahhahaahahahaa Jul 12 22:08:47 ok, hit me :) Jul 12 22:09:00 #!/usr/bin/env python Jul 12 22:09:08 is not good enough for aegis Jul 12 22:09:13 great Jul 12 22:09:21 lol Jul 12 22:09:28 what's not good for aegis is running, as root, a not digsig'd file. Jul 12 22:09:34 s/running/exec()ing Jul 12 22:09:42 so everyone now moving on to 950? Jul 12 22:10:05 DocScrutinizer: did you noticed what i saied yesterday .. years ago some similar code-signing patch was proposed for linux but taken down as someone shown that a ld.so written in perl broke it Jul 12 22:10:07 no, only javispedro not moving to #harmattan ;-P Jul 12 22:10:12 * javispedro sighs Jul 12 22:10:17 is that thing logged already? Jul 12 22:10:31 yes, semi Jul 12 22:10:36 soon fully Jul 12 22:11:14 javispedro: i agree with you though... it's probably a bad idea Jul 12 22:11:24 only reason i'm in it is in case i miss something <_< Jul 12 22:11:36 i figure if someone there asks me a question, i'll respond here Jul 12 22:11:51 javispedro: [2011-07-12 12:12:19] DocScrutinizer: I can get MeeGoBot here, but so far those logs are not public. Jul 12 22:12:25 [2011-07-12 12:13:03] I can get infobot here no problem, Jul 12 22:12:40 civil war! Jul 12 22:13:06 i'm trying to do apt-get install libqt4-dev, but it fails with unresolved dependencies: libqt4-dev: Depends: libgles2-sgx-img-dev but it is not installable Jul 12 22:13:22 javispedro: nonsesne :-D Jul 12 22:13:33 that's cooperation Jul 12 22:13:42 secession! Jul 12 22:14:04 structuring Jul 12 22:14:09 vdv: where are you trying to do that? Jul 12 22:14:16 on device Jul 12 22:14:27 .. Jul 12 22:14:31 should i do that on scratchbox? :) Jul 12 22:14:43 I'd say that, or on a chroot with all the SDK repos a Jul 12 22:14:47 nd nokia-binaries. Jul 12 22:15:40 my intention is be able to compile and run qt application Jul 12 22:15:54 can't i do it directly on device? Jul 12 22:17:22 I suggest chroot. Jul 12 22:17:46 javispedro: x=140..300 z=-40..150, y=complete mess Jul 12 22:18:05 javispedro: that's for all possible orientations Jul 12 22:18:19 javispedro, where should i chroot? Jul 12 22:19:08 vdv: read some of the on-device dev threads, like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32772 Jul 12 22:19:18 DocScrutinizer: z is failry constant here Jul 12 22:19:41 javispedro: ALL POSSIBLE orientations Jul 12 22:20:15 face down and whatnot else Jul 12 22:20:39 faceup z = -120, facedown z = 90 Jul 12 22:20:45 javispedro: ok, thanks Jul 12 22:20:51 I'm sure my neighbours died from laughing watching me doing this dance while looking at my laptop ssh Jul 12 22:21:54 I should have completely undressed for that, and ignited some black candles ;-P Jul 12 22:22:53 javispedro: there must be a way to retrigger calibration Jul 12 22:23:10 this is probably as raw as it gets. Jul 12 22:23:13 my calibration dance was very poor I guess Jul 12 22:23:37 dunno, haven't seen the DS yet for that chip Jul 12 22:24:21 seemingly ak8974 for n950 Jul 12 22:24:25 and ak8975 for n9? Jul 12 22:28:47 * DocScrutinizer checks the wikipage Jul 13 00:37:14 good morning Jul 13 00:47:34 yoh Termana - good moaning Jul 13 01:01:17 hi Jul 13 01:01:57 what parameter should i use for mkimage for booting from mmc? Jul 13 01:02:17 mk^Cage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 80008000 -e 80008000 -n meego -d zImage uImage Jul 13 01:10:58 morning Jul 13 01:11:52 morning and good night Jul 13 01:22:15 help, when I include , i got error: dbus/dbus.h: No such file or directory Jul 13 01:22:15 . i have /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h, did I miss something? Jul 13 01:23:01 do you have dbus-1 in the pkg config field? Jul 13 01:23:31 do you mean install it? Jul 13 01:23:37 the pkg? Jul 13 01:24:42 i just buid it in a empty file. Jul 13 01:24:48 in a .c file Jul 13 01:24:57 how are you building Jul 13 01:25:00 and just #include Jul 13 01:25:08 gcc -o app app.c Jul 13 01:25:29 i am using ECBOX in the virtual machine. Jul 13 01:25:44 i downloaded the virtual image from the website and just run the virtual machine Jul 13 01:25:53 try adding -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus Jul 13 01:26:15 in terminal or in where? Jul 13 01:26:36 what is the exact command? Jul 13 01:26:37 gcc parameters Jul 13 01:26:54 gcc -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus -o app app.c Jul 13 01:27:46 is there a space between -I and /usr? Jul 13 01:29:05 i got the same error error: dbus/dbus.h: No such file or directory Jul 13 01:29:19 please!!. but i got go right now. i will be back. Jul 13 01:32:52 mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ pkg-config --cflags dbus-1 Jul 13 01:32:53 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dbus-1.0/include Jul 13 01:33:16 gcc $(pkg-config --cflags dbus-1) -o app app.c Jul 13 01:47:30 I am not able to download from QMLTube, ran it from terminal, the error is "QMaemoICPrivate fails to watch for GConf changes in "/system/http_proxy". and above this line there are also two more errors (?) Jul 13 01:47:46 download videos I mean. Jul 13 02:05:32 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jul 13 02:19:26 fmc down? Jul 13 02:31:02 it seems ok now. thanks. there are some other error. i will give feedback later. Jul 13 02:58:45 i got another error? undefined reference to `dbus_error_init' **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 13 02:59:56 2011