**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 13 02:59:57 2011 Jul 13 03:17:02 * DocScrutinizer yawns Jul 13 04:20:48 morning everyone Jul 13 04:21:12 good moaning Jul 13 04:21:23 dm8tbr: moaning? Jul 13 04:23:21 * dm8tbr yawwwwwwns Jul 13 04:42:31 hiemanshu, morning Jul 13 04:43:21 hiemanshu, heard nothing on your end I assume? Jul 13 06:03:33 should i buy a pandora? Jul 13 06:03:37 it looks really cool Jul 13 06:06:48 the availability is kinda problematic I hear Jul 13 06:08:19 yeah but it's like a n900 without the phone Jul 13 06:08:24 and with analog sticks Jul 13 06:08:26 and a bigger battery Jul 13 06:08:30 and usb Jul 13 06:08:32 *two* usb Jul 13 06:08:38 and two sd Jul 13 06:08:43 so not really like a n900 Jul 13 06:10:06 ew, it's really only a 34xx Jul 13 06:10:07 anyone got MAssembly: Stylesheet missing "/usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/libminputcontext/style/libminputcontext.css" while using the sbox SDK? Jul 13 06:10:39 kerio, why not archos? Jul 13 06:10:55 I guess he's after the buttons Jul 13 06:11:00 dm8tbr: 34xx? Jul 13 06:11:01 ah Jul 13 06:11:07 kerio, omap Jul 13 06:11:15 and yeah, buttons r kewl Jul 13 06:11:26 also analog sticks and dpads Jul 13 06:11:29 kerio: 3530 is also 34xx basically Jul 13 06:11:53 kerio, also you are talking about openpandora right? Jul 13 06:11:56 yeah Jul 13 06:12:10 ah Jul 13 06:12:14 just double checking :P Jul 13 06:12:25 which is the older versioni of the OMAP3. slower and moar bugs in the silicon Jul 13 06:12:29 :( Jul 13 06:12:47 well 4.3" is really too small Jul 13 06:13:02 how big is the n900? Jul 13 06:13:14 3.5 Jul 13 06:13:14 3.5 Jul 13 06:13:21 jinx! Jul 13 06:13:34 :P Jul 13 06:13:41 well, it's supposed to be a handheld console of some sorts Jul 13 06:13:54 kerio, http://www.tipb.com/2011/07/12/icontrolpad-handheld-gaming-controller-iphone-ipad-ipod-touch/ Jul 13 06:14:01 hiemanshu: no u Jul 13 06:14:05 makes more sense :P Jul 13 06:14:12 it really, really doesn't Jul 13 06:14:36 because to install mame on an ipod touch you have to jailbreak it and then bitch against cydia and then hope it gets updated Jul 13 06:14:36 there are a lot more games for it, and angry birds <3 Jul 13 06:15:02 mame? Jul 13 06:15:24 mame! Jul 13 06:15:31 what else should i be playing? Jul 13 06:15:32 mame? Jul 13 06:15:40 angry birds Jul 13 06:15:54 chrome.angrybirds.com Jul 13 06:15:56 cut the rope, NFS, Infinity Blade Jul 13 06:16:28 guess what, as long as ff4 is there, i can play angry birds too Jul 13 06:17:41 kerio, I can go on and on naming games that are awesome for iOS Jul 13 06:17:46 indeed Jul 13 06:17:54 10630 romsets found, 10630 were OK. Jul 13 06:18:00 name 10630 Jul 13 06:18:56 Good evening/morning all Jul 13 06:19:27 hiemanshu_: not to mention that i kinda want to own my devices Jul 13 06:19:30 and i mean own, not 0wn Jul 13 06:19:54 kerio, hah, well everyone has their choices :P Jul 13 06:21:06 I reinstalled scratchbox and lost my old gpg key. Now my package is rejected by builder "Can't check signature: public key not found". How do I get builder to accept my new key? Jul 13 06:22:08 anyway, do you think the openpandora is kinda meh, because of the old cpu? Jul 13 06:22:20 kerio, ja Jul 13 06:22:38 :( Jul 13 06:23:02 I would get a bigger tablet instead Jul 13 06:23:25 >tablet Jul 13 06:23:29 >buttons, analog sticks and dpad Jul 13 06:23:31 DOES NOT COMPUTE Jul 13 06:23:46 old cpu, not buying! Jul 13 06:24:54 i just want something to play dai-ou-jou on the road Jul 13 06:26:11 (one of the 10630 games) Jul 13 06:26:27 dai-ou-jou? Jul 13 06:28:09 kerio, I have a PSP for on the road gaming Jul 13 06:28:12 works perfect for me :P Jul 13 06:28:18 do you think its CPU is that new? Jul 13 06:28:27 hiemanshu_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtFkpldJSpY Jul 13 06:28:44 also your nick is horrible to tabcomplete, why don't you ghost hiemanshu? Jul 13 06:28:48 kerio, I bought it years ago Jul 13 06:29:02 kerio, because thats on quassel, and where I am right now, fucking quassel wont work :( Jul 13 06:29:11 so ahve to use a ghost here Jul 13 06:29:28 no, i mean, /ns ghost hiemanshu Jul 13 06:37:45 kerio, I know, but I dont want to do that, that is connected to over 60-ish channels on 3 different networks Jul 13 06:38:12 won't it reconnect? :| Jul 13 06:38:37 it will, but I have it logging too Jul 13 06:39:09 and my quassel client wont connect from where I am right now, some insane issue no idea at all :/ Jul 13 06:53:52 kerio: ok, this works on windows, but not on linux :/ Jul 13 06:54:09 you're lying Jul 13 06:54:16 stop lying Jul 13 06:54:49 hah, I wish I was Jul 13 07:30:30 any of you guys happen to have BH-905 headset? I just need the FCC ID for the device as I'm planning to mod mine somehow Jul 13 07:38:29 Morning, all Jul 13 07:38:44 Aloha Jul 13 07:38:54 * alterego checks his order Jul 13 07:39:00 "New Order" :) Jul 13 07:39:02 oh well Jul 13 07:40:07 morn Jul 13 07:40:19 still waiting on n8? :p Jul 13 07:42:11 is it ok to modify /ets/fstab and add there a line to mount ext3 partitiion which is on microsd? won't it brick my device? Jul 13 07:43:02 No, got the N8 last week, now my gf has stolen it. Jul 13 07:43:08 Damn. I think I'm going insane. Time to go to the loony bin for me Jul 13 07:43:14 alterego: hah, same here :P Jul 13 07:43:53 When I add a set to my program, it works like it is suppose to. When I remove that set it stops. But the set actually DOES NOTHING. Jul 13 07:43:57 vdv: well no, but if you boot without the microsd you can have a probkem Jul 13 07:44:20 alterego, lol Jul 13 08:11:04 mornig Jul 13 08:13:23 Khertan_w: morning Jul 13 08:16:44 hiemanshu: what if i put noauto option? Jul 13 08:17:08 ~chroot Jul 13 08:17:08 extra, extra, read all about it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html Jul 13 08:17:17 vdv: sure, you'll have to still do a mount -a in the terminal then Jul 13 08:18:30 i don't understand why in the instructions to configure chroot environment in this link "http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-71139.html" two dirs are created /floppy and /sdk Jul 13 08:18:37 hiemanshu: ok, thanks Jul 13 08:20:04 why we need qmount? Jul 13 08:27:24 ah, clear, we qmount sdk file to make changes in it Jul 13 08:27:50 and then use modified image to do a qchroot Jul 13 08:45:04 seems i have misunderstood that chroot stuff Jul 13 08:46:40 i thought, i do qchroot to some dir (which is on my microsd), and then i'm isolated from main system, and if i apt-get for example everything goes under chroot dir (which has it's own structure) and doesn't pollute main system Jul 13 08:47:32 but now i see, that the size of the dir to which i've chroot-ed is ~6Gb at the moment, while my sdcard size (on which that dir locates) is only 4Gb Jul 13 08:47:49 how can that happen? Jul 13 08:48:37 and why when i do df, i don't see which partition actually grows? Jul 13 08:51:44 how can i "un-qchroot"? Jul 13 08:52:05 simply do exit from that shell? Jul 13 10:18:27 hiemanshu: fstab on maemo5 is useless Jul 13 10:19:35 DocScrutinizer: is the partition hardcoded? Jul 13 10:19:42 yes Jul 13 10:19:48 thats sad Jul 13 10:19:50 fstab is a generated file Jul 13 10:20:40 ah Jul 13 10:22:01 you should find a ticket on bmo, with a patch attached Jul 13 10:22:19 dunno if it's in PR1.3 or at least in CSSU Jul 13 10:55:14 just got "your order has been sent" email. FYI my OID is 052782 made on 7 july :) Jul 13 10:58:12 deimos: grat Jul 13 10:58:15 great Jul 13 10:58:31 * DocScrutinizer looks for the vacuum cleaner... :-S Jul 13 10:58:49 ehe Jul 13 10:58:53 * DocScrutinizer curses debris unde laptop keys Jul 13 10:59:47 deimos: you should receive your DHL tracking info same time Jul 13 11:00:05 none yet Jul 13 11:00:19 it's from same dude as the OID msg Jul 13 11:00:22 gal? Jul 13 11:00:25 * Sicelo brute force attacks ddp... to change shipping address info for OD 052782 Jul 13 11:00:30 *OID Jul 13 11:00:44 gal ? Jul 13 11:00:50 joan Jul 13 11:01:35 j/k ;) Jul 13 11:01:36 nope, Polla Esguerra Jul 13 11:01:58 deimos: who's sender of the mail subj: >>Ticket for order OID-052736<< ? Jul 13 11:02:03 ok Jul 13 11:02:13 Sicelo, the ddp has a military escort :) Jul 13 11:02:41 well, I got another mail of same addr with DHL info, tracking nr etc Jul 13 11:02:48 DocScrutinizer, noreplay....#nokia Jul 13 11:03:08 * lardman is curious whether deimos will receive another email with tracking info soon Jul 13 11:03:38 lardman, I will tell Jul 13 11:04:16 mine took 2h from the >>ticket OID<< one Jul 13 11:05:12 I am still waiting for the 'Your order has been sent' Jul 13 11:05:52 and everyone who got their devices should burn in hell Jul 13 11:07:04 hiemanshu: I'm in this channel every day, that's enough! I'm just booking a holiday in hell from that Jul 13 11:07:13 DocScrutinizer: hah Jul 13 11:07:27 DocScrutinizer: I am going to be like that Jul 13 11:07:29 DocScrutinizer: its fun :P Jul 13 11:09:04 they knocking the door ! Jul 13 11:09:08 its DHL ! Jul 13 11:09:19 really? Jul 13 11:09:24 mehe Jul 13 11:09:35 i got order sent 2-3 days ago Jul 13 11:09:45 and still no ID from DHL Jul 13 11:09:55 damn DHL Jul 13 11:10:01 trx: email the DDP one asking for the ID Jul 13 11:10:09 trx: DHL **will not send anything to you** Jul 13 11:10:21 it won't? Jul 13 11:10:23 trx: DHL doesn't even know your friggin email addr Jul 13 11:10:31 lol Jul 13 11:10:41 appears DHL tried to deliver something today Jul 13 11:10:51 so my wife just phoned to tell me Jul 13 11:11:17 see, you were late to ask **NOKIA** for shipping details and DHL tracking number Jul 13 11:11:19 lardman: and? Jul 13 11:11:40 she wasn't in Jul 13 11:12:05 why did they tell me "You will also receive an automatic email notification from the courier providing you the shipment details. " in the mail then :| Jul 13 11:12:23 dudes, it's NOKIA that will send a mail with DHL tracking number to you (or not) - never DHL for all I know Jul 13 11:12:59 lardman: so you can just go pick it up from the center? Jul 13 11:13:06 lardman: or do you need a tracking number for that? Jul 13 11:13:07 trx: dunno Jul 13 11:13:27 but in my case noone will send me an email with tracking info ;) Jul 13 11:13:35 well, i dont really *need* the tracking id, but it would be nice if i could see if the package is in the country or not :/ Jul 13 11:13:43 hiemanshu: centre if a pita to get to, will go for a re-delivery Jul 13 11:13:44 so i can leave my house :) Jul 13 11:13:48 s/if/is Jul 13 11:14:06 lardman: ah ok Jul 13 11:14:08 meanwhile more then 47 has received the phone Jul 13 11:14:10 lardman: then you need to pester *NOKIA* about it, as there's nuttin probably that DHL could do Jul 13 11:14:29 hiemanshu: got a bit of card with the details through the door that can be used to re-deliver or pick up in person Jul 13 11:14:41 DocScrutinizer: I know, and I did email them Jul 13 11:14:56 lardman: pester em then :P Jul 13 11:15:33 I really don't think Nokia is supposed to disclose your email to DHL Jul 13 11:15:58 so where from should DHL know whom to mail? Jul 13 11:16:05 i think they do Jul 13 11:16:15 its not like DHL will send spam or something Jul 13 11:16:31 they might if you order a parcel of spam from somewhere Jul 13 11:16:46 lol Jul 13 11:16:58 that is correct :) Jul 13 11:17:47 well, *I* never received a DHL mail without first clicking a tracking URL or "forward that mail to DHL"(a mail as the one from *NOKIA*) Jul 13 11:18:22 damn, i caught a cold :| its damn 39C arround here for like a week, wtf Jul 13 11:18:33 the tracking number always cam from sender, never from DHL Jul 13 11:18:52 DocScrutinizer i guess you are right Jul 13 11:19:04 after all that's what the tracking number is all about, otherwise you could log in to DHL with your email addr Jul 13 11:19:33 I am off for the rest of the day Jul 13 11:19:44 DocScrutinizer: when I get back home, I'll book you a holiday in hell :P Jul 13 11:21:47 hiemanshu: thanks, but no need for that. You do a hell of a job to make my stay here as pleasant as possible ;-P Jul 13 11:23:11 trx: aircons can do that, frequently. AC is notorious to give you a cold Jul 13 11:23:31 a cold or an irritated nose? Jul 13 11:23:32 yeah but i dont have one here Jul 13 11:23:35 nose Jul 13 11:23:52 neh, hayfever Jul 13 11:24:40 ~weather EDDN Jul 13 11:24:45 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.07.13 1050 UTC; Dew Point: 62 F (17 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.77 in. Hg (1008 hPa); Relative Humidity: 68%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 73 F (23 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the S (170 degrees) at 9 MPH (8 KT) Jul 13 11:25:00 17C Jul 13 11:25:01 ? Jul 13 11:25:01 pretty nice Jul 13 11:25:03 o_O Jul 13 11:25:15 damn i wish it was 17C here too Jul 13 11:25:23 instead of 35C Jul 13 11:25:25 eh? dew point Jul 13 11:25:35 oh Jul 13 11:25:53 well, 23 isn't far :) Jul 13 11:26:36 yeah, that's at airport - here in downtown it actually has... 28.4 Jul 13 11:27:10 * DocScrutinizer should have a bike ride to airport Jul 13 11:27:30 meanwhile: Apple Stops Distributing Pedophile Mascot Jul 13 11:27:54 lol Jul 13 11:28:09 a bady doll? Jul 13 11:28:13 baby Jul 13 11:28:50 used diapers? Jul 13 11:29:07 ooh mascot, not fetish Jul 13 11:29:21 the pedobear Jul 13 11:47:56 uh guys, wasn't there a 'personal data plan monitor' widget or something to keep track of rx/tx over gprs? Jul 13 11:48:06 I can't find it Jul 13 11:49:11 oh... "personal-gprs-mon" Jul 13 11:49:39 Settings/Phone/ "Home Network Data" Jul 13 11:49:48 trx: I meant the home screen widget Jul 13 11:49:55 oh, that Jul 13 11:50:02 no idea :) Jul 13 11:58:18 if i do qchroot image dir, some mounts are done behind the scene, those mounts are not undo if i leave chroot, isn't there any command to "cleanup" after leaving chroot? Jul 13 12:05:45 Is it possible to copy&paste in the N950 terminal? Jul 13 12:36:01 vdv: what, like qumount? Jul 13 12:37:22 vfv: I think there's closechroot Jul 13 12:37:25 vdv, I mean Jul 13 12:53:27 Tronic: nope Jul 13 12:54:49 villager: I'd expect a qchroot --close or sth Jul 13 12:55:01 nfc about qchroot though Jul 13 13:05:01 DocScrutinizer: no, those shell scripts don't take options... gotta use /sbin/closechroot Jul 13 13:05:40 sounds like a poor design Jul 13 13:05:58 that's what? Qt? Jul 13 13:06:53 huh? they're shell scripts, no GUI, so no Qt Jul 13 13:08:28 presumably qchroot means "quick chroot" Jul 13 13:17:01 omg Jul 13 13:17:26 i've sent a mail to ask for my DHL tracking number Jul 13 13:18:04 and they said, "yeah, sending to serbia is not easy, so they sent it to *RUSSIA*" Jul 13 13:18:20 so they will send it from there... Jul 13 13:19:04 there is DHL in serbia, in like 20 cities Jul 13 13:19:14 they have offices Jul 13 13:19:17 haha Jul 13 13:20:12 why add 2000 extra kilometers to *my* shipment Jul 13 13:20:18 :/ Jul 13 13:20:30 hahaha that sucks! Jul 13 13:21:11 yeap, i shouldn't have asked for tracking number, ignorance is bliss.. Jul 13 13:21:15 trx more important than offices in your country is delivery vans! Jul 13 13:21:16 darn it. something is wrong with my BNC Jul 13 13:21:24 unless the office itself drives down the road Jul 13 13:21:46 they have delivery vans, i saw one just a week ago in my town Jul 13 13:22:07 Termana_, it's trolling you Jul 13 13:35:13 hi javispedro Jul 13 13:35:30 #harmattan has infobot now :-) Jul 13 13:37:08 it's still an abomination! Jul 13 13:37:26 where are the publicly visible, google-indexed, logs? Jul 13 13:37:34 * javispedro puts sim on n950... Jul 13 13:37:46 plan to test this afternoon on the field Jul 13 13:37:54 \o/ Jul 13 13:38:16 oh. Jul 13 13:38:23 ~logs Jul 13 13:38:23 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. Jul 13 13:39:05 publicly visible, probably also google-indexed Jul 13 13:39:12 provider sent me an email congratulating me on choosing a MMS capable phone! I will now be able to enjoy interesting MMS offers and promotions! Jul 13 13:39:17 * javispedro sighs Jul 13 13:40:25 http://ibot.rikers.org/%23harmattan/ 404 Jul 13 13:42:56 it's active since 18h, so you have to wait another few Jul 13 13:43:21 this is no livelog Jul 13 13:43:28 buaaaaaaaaah Jul 13 13:43:36 darn it Jul 13 13:43:49 well, you're free to /join if you want "live" Jul 13 13:44:12 there's people that like to turn the computer off =) Jul 13 13:44:43 the traffic isn't likely to make your client fall short of RAM in 24h Jul 13 14:05:26 today was a very successful day, I grabbed all the logs I need to implement cbsms Jul 13 14:05:34 :):) Jul 13 14:07:04 All I need to do now to write the implementation I have planned is to A.Find some actual information about it (e.g. from the GSM specs) that explain some of the bits I dont know and cant find out through testing and B.Find out how to attach GDB to whatever process is loading connui-cellular-operator-home-item.so so I can debug some of whats going on in that plugin Jul 13 14:13:28 finding the answer to A is going to be annoying given how hard it was to find any of the specs for GSM/3G/UMTS/etc last time I looked Jul 13 14:15:12 and B will be hard because I dont know how to attach to hildon-desktop with GDB (I think that's the binary that does the status bar gizmos) or if its even possible to do it safety :P Jul 13 14:22:30 ~seen robbiethe1st Jul 13 14:22:33 robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@71-34-223-199.spkn.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 2h 34m 26s ago, saying: 'Facebook = evil'. Jul 13 14:33:22 jonwil: I can probably help a bit on A Jul 13 14:34:01 so you know of some specs on how the smscb data is actually encoded? Jul 13 14:34:05 jonwil: ...as I looked into all that's related for your case out of own interest Jul 13 14:34:23 it seems easy Jul 13 14:34:29 I decoded it Jul 13 14:34:42 it's a normal SMS for most of the bits Jul 13 14:35:01 it's that strange 7in8 encoding Jul 13 14:35:12 yeah the actual text is no problems Jul 13 14:35:33 I am trying to figure out what the geo scope means as well as what the message code, update number and dcs mean Jul 13 14:35:34 aah, you ask about the other bits like $LANG etc? Jul 13 14:35:54 yes Jul 13 14:36:00 other bits beyond just the raw characters Jul 13 14:36:03 thats where I am stuck Jul 13 14:36:29 I am also wondering if there are any official specs for what the different message identifiers mean. Jul 13 14:36:30 message code is probably about representation (popup etc), update number should help to filter out retransmits Jul 13 14:36:53 and DCS I've seen but have to look up again Jul 13 14:37:36 I know that channel 50 is used to transmit the cell tower name Jul 13 14:37:47 (msg id) there is, I actually have it *somewhere* in my ~x GB pdf docs here Jul 13 14:37:48 but there has to be some sort of spec that says "channel 50 is the cell tower name" Jul 13 14:37:59 (50) just convention Jul 13 14:38:29 well someone made the decision and its been documented somewhere for everyone else to follow Jul 13 14:38:32 there is a "suggestion" about some chan's meanings Jul 13 14:39:06 I'll try to dig out that pdf for you later Jul 13 14:39:16 in any case this doesnt really help me unless I can solve B and get a debugger inside connui-cellular-operator-home-item.so Jul 13 14:39:20 :) Jul 13 14:40:59 basically most of what's been planned for smscb isn't implemented at least here in Germany. For example iirc there should be a channel index in plain text, on chan1 Jul 13 14:41:37 there are weather-chan defines, as well as particular chan for (car) traffic messages Jul 13 14:41:45 none of that exists Jul 13 14:42:12 well all I get here on Optus in .au is channel 50 Jul 13 14:42:18 with the cell tower name Jul 13 14:42:46 What I did find out today is that there are multiple cell towers with different IDs all squawking the same name Jul 13 14:42:47 in germany I get chan221 gaus-krueger coords on O2 carrier Jul 13 14:43:01 no cell tower names though Jul 13 14:43:27 I heard t-mobile/t-kom does city names on 50 or 100 Jul 13 14:44:05 as there occasionally were tariffs for cheap calls in same city Jul 13 14:44:46 some 10 years ago ;-) Jul 13 14:45:57 I only get tower names if I switch to GSM Jul 13 14:46:05 I think few if any carriers do tower names on 3G Jul 13 14:46:22 because there has been no support for it in 3G kit Jul 13 14:46:31 and there is no support for it in 3G kit because operators dont care about it Jul 13 14:46:48 on O2 the so called home-zone (cheaper tariff) gets calculated from gauss-krueger locally on MT for display, while actual balncing is done independently based on a less precise BTS based scheme Jul 13 14:47:43 I'm not sure if there is such a thing like SMSCB on 3G. They might have scraped it from specs Jul 13 14:48:00 there definatly is Jul 13 14:48:06 in favour of another IP centric approach Jul 13 14:48:08 at least AFAIK Jul 13 14:48:30 wikipedia says "Cell Broadcast messaging is also supported by UMTS" Jul 13 14:48:49 that's strange then, as I don't see how O2 does their homezone calculation for display then Jul 13 14:49:36 wikipedia also talks about an interface between the cell broadcast center to the 3G RNC Jul 13 14:49:48 probably it got obsoleted by AGPS SUPL via UMTS which should also deliver the BTS location Jul 13 14:49:56 with mention of a 3gpp spec for it Jul 13 14:50:13 well there is definatly support for CBSMS in 3G UMTS networks Jul 13 14:50:18 as in the specs support it Jul 13 14:50:30 its just a question of which networks do anything with it Jul 13 14:50:57 :nod:, never seen it happen though, here and for O2 (no investigation done for other carriers) Jul 13 14:51:09 anyway ttyl Jul 13 14:51:11 o/ Jul 13 14:51:13 cya Jul 13 14:51:55 I suspect that the use of CBSMS for emergency warning and things will be made to work on 3G networks as well as GSM Jul 13 15:17:13 fair enough Jul 13 15:21:37 so who all actually got their devices shipped today? :P Jul 13 15:21:50 want to know who to congratulate Jul 13 15:22:26 * Jaffa is pissed off with n9seconds.com. Found a load of them (I think), including the obvious two the Twitter feed refreences Jul 13 15:23:51 rm_work: I got mine in the morning Jul 13 15:24:00 Jaffa: ? Jul 13 15:24:15 rm_work: http://mynokiablog.com/2011/07/13/crack-some-codes-win-a-nokia-n9-competition-n9seconds/ Jul 13 15:24:40 rm_work: Watch the videos from youtube.com/nokia closely and enter codes at n9seconds.com. There are 12 codes remaining to be found which'll win their finder an N9 Jul 13 15:25:07 Unfortunately it doesn't distinguish between right, but found and wrong code or even wrong captcha. Jul 13 15:25:20 lol Jul 13 15:26:02 I wouldn't mind too much if the Twitter feed at twitter.com/n9seconds was actually updating with those that've been found. Then, at least, I could feel smug. Jul 13 15:26:16 Being right is more important than winning :) Jul 13 15:27:02 lol Jul 13 15:27:08 if i weren't at work i might take a crack at it Jul 13 15:27:17 i am seeing how they work in general, i think Jul 13 15:27:37 There seems to be one in each one Jul 13 15:27:42 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1050225#post1050225 Jul 13 15:28:06 And there's also a letter hidden in each. 'S', 'T', 'E/3', ... Jul 13 15:28:26 Since there's six videos, that leads to another one. Jul 13 15:38:44 Randomized shipping order Jul 13 15:38:49 gotta love it Jul 13 15:39:38 GAN900: It's also randomized device shipping. Jul 13 15:40:36 Maybe I'll get a C3! Jul 13 15:42:40 Is it possible to copy text (other than textfields) from N950 browser? Jul 13 15:43:20 negative, no superawesome manipulation mode :< Jul 13 15:46:07 It's also not possible to copy, paste or launch links in MeeGo Terminal Jul 13 15:46:14 Those two limitations are surprisingly annoying Jul 13 15:52:01 terminal is in gitorious ;) Jul 13 15:53:07 frals: Cool. Is there some good docs on how to gets started with development? Jul 13 15:53:56 i guess swipe.nokia.com should have everything you need Jul 13 15:54:08 THe phone had the API docs in it but that doesn't really help too much. SDK is not ready yet, I suppose (I have one for N900 only). Jul 13 15:54:40 frals: That is a consumer site, not useful at all. Jul 13 15:55:36 Tronic: it got a "Developers" link Jul 13 15:55:44 Tronic: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/MeeGo/ Jul 13 15:55:54 Tronic: The scratchbox sdk is pretty usable in my eyes Jul 13 15:58:59 lardman, DHL email come 2:09 after the delivered email Jul 13 15:59:21 frals: More API docs and hype, yahoo. Perhaps a more recent SDK version than what I installed a while back. No info on git repository addresses, package repositories (extras?) etc. Jul 13 15:59:33 I guess I need to go browsing the forums/google myself. Jul 13 16:00:19 what git repos are you actually looking for? Jul 13 16:00:40 afaik the oss stuff should eb on meego.gitorious.org Jul 13 16:00:55 Just trying to get an overlook of the device. To know what there is source code available for, perhaps look or modify it to familiriaze myself with the system. Jul 13 16:01:05 *overview Jul 13 16:01:42 something like "Harmattan overview" provided in the developer docs? Jul 13 16:03:00 Getting there... http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html Jul 13 16:03:43 Someone said a sdk update will come in the next weeks Jul 13 16:04:01 Also currently accounts api can only be viewed on gitorious :( Jul 13 16:09:27 anybody working with the qtsdk and a local copy of qt? or would it make sense to link the path to the qt version of qtsdk/desktop? Jul 13 16:09:35 * DocScrutinizer wonders if a firmware update will come in the next weeks Jul 13 16:10:17 it's not exactly sensible to give developers an obsolete OS Jul 13 16:11:30 ah give it a break, few weeks old is not obsolete Jul 13 16:13:39 deimos: thanks, I got a dhl tracking number after contacting Nokia, but the package had already been delivered (or attempted anyway) Jul 13 16:17:59 DocScrutinizer, track down konttori and beat it out of him. Jul 13 16:18:43 GeneralAntilles: haha Jul 13 16:19:32 frals: according to konttori there are 3000+ bugs fixed from what we got to recent version Jul 13 16:19:53 frals: I'd think that's just obsolete enough to start getting annoying Jul 13 16:20:22 3000? Jul 13 16:20:32 maybe if you consider every string fix in localization a bug Jul 13 16:20:36 that's what konttori said, yes Jul 13 16:21:58 i have a hard time believing you or anyone else would get seriously hindered in development by event a fraction of those bugs Jul 13 16:22:21 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-07-02.log.html#t2011-07-02T00:02:15 Jul 13 16:23:06 >> konttori_home Hmm.. we have fixed around 3000 bugs since w22. So, what you guys have is pretty different from the current reality Jul 13 16:23:07 guess he forgot to mention 2800 of them were localization bugs ;p (number out of thin air etc etc etc) Jul 13 16:23:19 moin moin Jul 13 16:25:00 frals, things like working GTalk make it a lot easier to use as a primary device Jul 13 16:25:07 and working phone calls, apparently. Jul 13 16:26:33 what has working GTalk? Jul 13 16:26:36 N950? Jul 13 16:26:44 Shapeshifter, not in the public image. Jul 13 16:26:51 GeneralAntilles: getting it google certified would allow it to be distributed, i assume Jul 13 16:27:11 and would you rather have no device at all then one without gtalk? Jul 13 16:27:17 GeneralAntilles: but that's just IM, or voice/video as well? Jul 13 16:27:25 frals, at the moment that's the case, so meh. Jul 13 16:27:26 helolo ma i right that the lifeguard_reset file shows how often the specify ap ist restartet? Jul 13 16:32:20 yes Jul 13 16:38:47 haha Jul 13 16:38:53 well nokia still hasn't shipped my phone :( Jul 13 16:41:56 i find cat 32wd_to but n900 cant open file is this file only available whne there are min. 1 count? or i this a false argument(befehl) Jul 13 16:42:13 so how does this sound? Step 1) I put up an iphone 3GS 8gbit up for sale for around 220 euros, new, unopened. 2) If nobody buys it - meh, if somebody does -> 3) I do a new contract with a mobile provider which gives me an iphone 3gs 8gb for free. total running cost for the contract over a year: 220 euros. 4) I ship the iphone I sold earlier Jul 13 16:43:16 Where did you get the first phone? Jul 13 16:43:36 Shapeshifter: You've sold something you don't own Jul 13 16:44:09 Not true AIUI. You own the phone - you're just locked into keeping paying the contract. Jul 13 16:46:14 well it's called 'selling short' Jul 13 16:46:39 SpeedEvil: there is no first phone Jul 13 16:47:36 ah Jul 13 16:47:38 i get it Jul 13 16:47:45 lol interesting plan Jul 13 16:47:52 dunno if they lock the iphone to your plan somehow Jul 13 16:48:12 since it is CDMA not GSM (right?) it will have to be programmed or something? there's no SIM? not sure how that works Jul 13 16:48:18 The upside is, I have no risk. I don't even want an iphone. But I can just sell off the phone first - (if it sells) - and then use that money to run the plan for a year. If it doesn't sell, I lost nothing except the 20 cents for the auction. Jul 13 16:48:25 how ca i find out how often the n900 has a watchdog reset and software reset? Jul 13 16:48:29 rm_work: it will have a sim lock, but I checked the going prices Jul 13 16:48:40 rm_work: people still love buying their overpriced iphones Jul 13 16:48:46 lol Jul 13 16:49:26 My only worry is what happens if they run out of stock of iphones 3gs's just as someone commits to buying my not-yet-obtained phone Jul 13 16:49:41 well, it wouldn't be any worse than a negative feedback on my ebay. Jul 13 16:50:31 i assume so, as long as you either refund their oney or refuse to accept it somehow Jul 13 16:51:30 *money Jul 13 17:02:53 "sorry I broke it while packagin" Jul 13 17:05:20 DocScrutinizer: what do i need to send a message using dbus-send? Jul 13 17:05:23 DocScrutinizer51: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.questions /org/questions/linux org.questions.linux.ask_some_questions Jul 13 17:05:40 DocScrutinizer51: returns error Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.questions was not provided by any .service files Jul 13 17:06:12 DocScrutinizer51: i was hoping to send the 'total call time' via dbus signal Jul 13 17:06:44 don't give destination Jul 13 17:06:49 for signals Jul 13 17:07:07 no type=methodcall Jul 13 17:07:24 bbl Jul 13 17:08:07 I'm going to have to expand the 2-minutes hate soon. Jul 13 17:13:10 GAN900: ? Jul 13 17:13:22 More and more people getting N950s. Jul 13 17:13:30 2 minutes just isn't enough time. Jul 13 17:13:36 lol Jul 13 17:13:47 i think i missed your "2 minutes of hate" Jul 13 17:14:14 where can i get an 950? Jul 13 17:14:21 You cant Jul 13 17:14:27 that's why we hate Jul 13 17:14:28 :( Jul 13 17:14:37 hayte Jul 13 17:16:00 fredrin: wait two weeks, then I'll tell Nokia they can sell you mine :-) I prefer my N900 all days Jul 13 17:17:03 not sure if i want to get an n900 Jul 13 17:17:09 i got two n900 now Jul 13 17:17:20 can switch though :( Jul 13 17:17:22 :) Jul 13 17:17:23 err Jul 13 17:17:35 how's life by the way DocScrutinizer Jul 13 17:17:47 DocScrutinizer51 has a N950 and hating it :P Jul 13 17:17:57 DocScrutinizer51: you really don't like it compared to N900? that's kinda what I was afraid of Jul 13 17:18:06 DocScrutinizer51: ok, this works. dbus-send --system /org/questions/linux org.questions.linux.ask_some_questions Jul 13 17:18:52 you can be a tech blogger and get one it seems..so long as you tweet enough...an irish guy who has a technology blog has been sent one Jul 13 17:19:28 hey folks, i have the AWS n900 and want to reflash with the latest image. should i be using the NA or the Global bin? Jul 13 17:19:38 global Jul 13 17:19:40 AWS?/ Jul 13 17:19:59 as in aws 3G Jul 13 17:20:01 tmobile US etc Jul 13 17:20:23 so global eh Jul 13 17:21:01 ah Jul 13 17:21:03 yes Jul 13 17:21:16 thanks :) Jul 13 17:21:35 I don't think there are any cases you don't want to do global Jul 13 17:23:29 good to know Jul 13 17:32:00 always global Jul 13 17:32:40 localized seems always about leaving things out to comply some local legalese Jul 13 17:36:17 how do i tell if i'm running global or NA firmware Jul 13 17:36:22 i forget which i flashed last time Jul 13 17:38:44 which kind of SD does n950 use again? guessing microSD? Jul 13 17:38:53 none Jul 13 17:38:58 afaik Jul 13 17:39:10 wait what? Jul 13 17:40:15 N950 u mean? Jul 13 17:40:44 None Jul 13 17:40:50 It's just got the 16GB built-in. Jul 13 17:41:11 how can i restart dbus-scripts daemon? Jul 13 17:41:33 sup #maemo Jul 13 17:41:38 Meego flying high still? Jul 13 17:41:45 Nokia deceived anyone lately? Jul 13 17:41:51 since /etc/init.d/dbus-scripts restart doesnt restart i Jul 13 17:41:53 Canceled a project, anything? Jul 13 17:42:57 let me rephrase my question how do i restart an 'upstart' daemon? Jul 13 17:43:31 huh, after reboot, sdcard won't mount over usb Jul 13 17:43:35 on 1.3 Jul 13 17:43:48 crashanddie, hm? Jul 13 17:43:50 GeneralAntilles: yours sent yet? Jul 13 17:44:01 trumee: service dbus-scripts restart? Jul 13 17:44:19 Nope Jul 13 17:44:23 crashanddie: /bin/sh: service: not found Jul 13 17:44:26 crashanddie, they shipped da N950 before I anticipated, so I'm happy with them Jul 13 17:44:31 GeneralAntilles: so I am not the only one, happy to know :P Jul 13 17:44:36 Venemo: I iz not :P Jul 13 17:45:29 trumee: and what does /etc/init.d/dbus-scripts restart say? Jul 13 17:45:31 I am happy for different reasons, so its fine for me now :P Jul 13 17:45:35 trumee: or stop/start for that matter Jul 13 17:45:48 trumee: upstart should be compatible with the old sysv system. Jul 13 17:45:51 crashanddie: killall dbus-scripts did the trick Jul 13 17:46:06 you didn't try stop, did you? Jul 13 17:46:31 crashanddie: no Jul 13 17:46:37 typical :P Jul 13 17:47:12 GeneralAntilles: Think it'll arrive in time for your passport to expire? Jul 13 17:47:41 crashanddie: 'stop' doesnt work Jul 13 17:49:45 crashanddie, probably just. Jul 13 17:49:49 doesn't work still has entered the OED as "an apt description of a technical problem", so please elaborate. Jul 13 17:50:01 s/doesn't work/"doesn't work"/ Jul 13 17:50:02 crashanddie meant: "doesn't work" still has entered the OED as "an apt description of a technical problem", so please elaborate. Jul 13 17:50:18 GeneralAntilles: how's you? Jul 13 17:50:33 GeneralAntilles: funny you saw ZZ Top just before I did.. Jul 13 17:52:11 god I'm so fucking bored. Jul 13 17:53:58 I've been on holiday for what, a whole of 3 days, and I'm so bored I don't know what to do next. Jul 13 18:01:26 now the 950 GPS seems exactly like N900: no SIM no FIX Jul 13 18:01:31 is there a proper way to query the kernel wich filesystems it can mount? Jul 13 18:02:19 yes Jul 13 18:02:35 something like /proc/fs Jul 13 18:03:48 crashanddie: now that's a really serious cas Jul 13 18:03:54 case Jul 13 18:04:44 crashanddie, go take some pictures. Jul 13 18:04:47 usually holiday starts when you stop feeling bored Jul 13 18:06:00 can someone on stock kernel pasetbin the content of /proc/filesystems Jul 13 18:09:49 My Google Jul 13 18:09:57 + feed is filled with Italian and Spanish. Jul 13 18:10:02 and some Japanese. Jul 13 18:23:30 so i reflashed, and i can't connect to mobile data - it shows up in connections, but when i go to connect it says "no saved connections available Jul 13 18:30:39 hmm the internets suggest re-seating the sim Jul 13 18:31:14 DocScrutinizer51: i got the dbus working to show the minutes used. http://www.flickr.com/photos/67572716@N00/5934006565/in/photostream Jul 13 18:31:31 DocScrutinizer51: but still havent figured out how to trap the call hangup Jul 13 18:32:54 trumee: let's see what's my mood in 30min, maybe I like to help Jul 13 18:33:49 iirc I got some dumps of call-setup and call-teardown, as I also looked into it some 6 months ago Jul 13 18:34:11 l8r Jul 13 18:39:24 DocScrutinizer51: sorted Jul 13 18:39:34 :-D Jul 13 18:39:37 how? Jul 13 18:39:37 DocScrutinizer: found the signal and job is done Jul 13 18:39:52 DocScrutinizer: com.nokia.mce.signal sig_call_state_ind none Jul 13 18:40:05 indeed, sounds familiar Jul 13 18:40:30 DocScrutinizer: there is a niggling issue Jul 13 18:40:40 ? Jul 13 18:40:49 DocScrutinizer: that signal is triggered both on sip and gsm calls. i want to trap only gsm calls Jul 13 18:41:11 hah, set a flag file on GSM call initiation Jul 13 18:41:39 touch /tmp/trumee_thisIsGSM Jul 13 18:42:45 DocScrutinizer: but what do i find out if its a gsm call? Jul 13 18:42:53 DocScrutinizer: i mean what signal to trap? Jul 13 18:42:55 will mess up when you establish_GSM, establish_SIP, teardown_SIP (here it thinks you end GSM), teardown_GSM Jul 13 18:43:46 how can i find out how often watchdog reset the device Jul 13 18:44:01 trumee: on signal com.nokia.mce.signal sig_call_state_ind none you check if /tmp/trumee_thisIsGSM is existing. If yes ->this is a GSM call, anyway delete file Jul 13 18:44:42 Itschue: every unadvertised reboot is a watchdog reboot Jul 13 18:44:43 DocScrutinizer: yes, but where do i set /tmp/trumee_thisIsGSM flag? Jul 13 18:44:56 on call-setup Jul 13 18:45:10 DocScrutinizer: and how do i sense that? Jul 13 18:45:14 you know from call-setup if you establish a GSM call Jul 13 18:45:46 at very least from rtcomm account Jul 13 18:46:11 DocScrutinizer: i am lost Jul 13 18:46:18 I guess also from format of callee number Jul 13 18:46:28 DocScrutinizer: i need the dbus signal for gsm call-setup Jul 13 18:46:30 trumee: ping me in an hour Jul 13 18:46:33 if the watchdog reset the device is this only viewable in the lifeguards_resets? because cat 32wd_to n900 sys no such file or directory Jul 13 18:49:00 IroN900:~# cat /proc/bootreason Jul 13 18:49:02 pwr_key Jul 13 18:50:15 docscrutinizer is cat 32wd_to possibly oder kann mann das so nicht eingeben ? Jul 13 18:51:08 DocScrutinizer: com.nokia.csd.Call CreateRequested ? Jul 13 18:51:58 DocScrutinizer: any idea if that is for gsm only? Jul 13 18:52:04 Itschue: sorry I don't know what you are planning to do Jul 13 18:52:25 where is that file with filename 32wd_to ? Jul 13 18:52:45 trumee: should Jul 13 18:52:56 err Jul 13 18:52:58 not sure Jul 13 18:53:26 I *think* csd is modem-only Jul 13 18:53:36 ego GSM Jul 13 18:53:44 i want to know if there is an extra xounter for 32wd_to and sw_rst /proc/bootreason is empty and in lifestatguard_resets isnt such an entry i will know how often my device reboot by myself or an error Jul 13 18:54:29 Itschue: afaik there is no such counter for general watchdog-tiimeout Jul 13 18:54:52 in dsme is only the last boot reason right? Jul 13 18:54:56 anyway a general wd_to should be *extremely* rare as it would mean you made the kernel freeze Jul 13 18:55:08 ok and sw_rst Jul 13 18:55:33 iirc you find wd_to bootreason in /var/log/syslog if you have installed syslogd Jul 13 18:56:00 ok great Jul 13 18:56:11 Itschue: sw_rst is a scheduled reset by software, and thus no error at all - why should it get protocolled Jul 13 18:56:36 Khertan_w: lo....i came across a forum post by you regarding meego/qwidget/style/rotation while trying to solve the same problem. i sorted the style bit out, but do u know if rotation is possible? Jul 13 18:56:49 DocScrutinizer: well, work is interesting Jul 13 18:57:16 crashanddie: either you were not ready for holiday, or vastly overdue Jul 13 18:57:26 vastly overdue Jul 13 18:57:34 First days off since Decembre 24th. Jul 13 18:57:51 i want to go really sure that my deive hanst rebootet by itself because i cant watch/hear 24/7 Jul 13 18:57:55 that's why I said "severe case" Jul 13 18:58:16 DocScrutinizer: Recently we setup our own redhat network, so I've had to write all of the RPM spec files and redo most of the makefiles of the company. It's amazing how little people know of packaging and compilation. Jul 13 18:58:32 crashanddie, find a game to play? Jul 13 18:58:46 GeneralAntilles: yeah, just did that for the last half hour Jul 13 18:58:54 Find a good book. Jul 13 18:59:00 gf is about to come home from work though, and then we're off to go watch fireworks Jul 13 18:59:03 GeneralAntilles: he first has to leave the office building also with his mind Jul 13 18:59:05 But this afternoon was hell. Jul 13 18:59:30 DocScrutinizer: I've been doodling constantly about new ideas and features, and code implementation... Severe case as you say. Jul 13 18:59:36 no game's helping there Jul 13 19:00:01 do some monotonous work, like digging the garden Jul 13 19:00:10 Don't have a garden. Jul 13 19:00:10 or wood pecking Jul 13 19:00:14 Well, I do, but it's not mine. Jul 13 19:00:18 Scrub the floors. Jul 13 19:00:22 Done. Jul 13 19:00:24 ibdeed Jul 13 19:00:29 Clean your keyboard. Jul 13 19:00:32 Done. Jul 13 19:00:34 nah!!! Jul 13 19:00:35 no Jul 13 19:00:41 too much IT Jul 13 19:01:05 hey DocScrutinizer GeneralAntilles Jul 13 19:01:17 crashanddie: see how many times you can climb top of next skyscraper in a row Jul 13 19:01:18 crashanddie, go do 50 push ups. Jul 13 19:01:41 or that Jul 13 19:01:47 then do some 50 more Jul 13 19:02:07 I did the windows (the physical windows, not malware cleaning), painted the flat, changed the tyres and the oil on the bike and car, did the shopping, cleaned the freezer, fixed the bathtub... Jul 13 19:02:19 A whole year of to-do list items, done in about 2 days. Jul 13 19:02:21 Now what? Jul 13 19:02:21 your's is a severe case, it needs strong prescriptions Jul 13 19:02:32 Go get smashed with the GF? Jul 13 19:02:41 Yeah, but she doesn't drink... Jul 13 19:02:51 DocScrutinizer: ah, found easier solution, com.nokia.csd.Call.Instance Terminated Jul 13 19:03:04 It's never too late to start. Jul 13 19:03:07 that's a god one Jul 13 19:03:10 good* Jul 13 19:03:19 trumee: ^^^ Jul 13 19:03:33 The thing is, I'd love to get back into open source... Jul 13 19:03:43 HAH Jul 13 19:03:43 But frankly, I can't be arsed to deal with the drama that comes with it. Jul 13 19:03:46 Sounds too much like work. Jul 13 19:04:22 * DocScrutinizer wonders if he's maybe morally obliged to kickban crashanddie for 3 days Jul 13 19:04:32 :-P Jul 13 19:04:42 you do realise I can unban myself, right? :P Jul 13 19:04:48 grrr Jul 13 19:04:51 XP Jul 13 19:05:10 the guys at work set up an IRC server Jul 13 19:05:16 I'll convince your GF to smash your PC Jul 13 19:05:30 My router can surf the web :P Jul 13 19:05:38 WTF?! Jul 13 19:05:45 you're a lost case Jul 13 19:05:49 Router, connected to the TV, has a browser. Jul 13 19:06:03 You know, the one with the remote that has a gyro in it? Jul 13 19:06:08 yeah, the weird one that stands on one corner Jul 13 19:06:13 yeah Jul 13 19:06:49 crashanddie, are you cooking dinner? Jul 13 19:06:56 darn, that thing oughta have exploded since >3 months Jul 13 19:06:57 No, we're going out Jul 13 19:07:10 GeneralAntilles: I cooked last night though ;) Jul 13 19:07:40 Maybe I should become a vigilante. Jul 13 19:08:00 Fighting street crime Jul 13 19:08:03 anyway, enough of RL testing Nokia's beta HW, time for some relaxing - too hot here Jul 13 19:08:07 Too much like work. Jul 13 19:08:32 GeneralAntilles: then I reply to your "reading books" -- too much like work. Jul 13 19:08:33 o/ Jul 13 19:09:01 And the worst part is, I can't buy any gadgets to have fun with. Jul 13 19:09:11 I put myself on a spending diet. Jul 13 19:10:05 The only week where I actually have time to do nothing, and I've got nothing to do! Jul 13 19:11:55 crashanddie, /fiction/ of course. :P Jul 13 19:12:05 I can't. Jul 13 19:12:17 Well, I could. Jul 13 19:12:50 But I won't. Jul 13 19:30:56 i put my n900 on Ebay!! Jul 13 19:31:27 good luck with that. Jul 13 19:31:54 i know Jul 13 19:32:06 is $275 usd or best offer good prie Jul 13 19:32:06 price Jul 13 19:34:35 I'm not from the US so I really can't tell Jul 13 19:35:31 i paid 180 euro for mine Jul 13 19:35:49 DocScrutinizer: ping Jul 13 19:35:57 yoh Jul 13 19:36:11 wazzup? Jul 13 19:36:33 DocScrutinizer: the popup works if i run dbus-scripts --debug, but without --debug doesnt work :( Jul 13 19:36:45 duh Jul 13 19:37:04 now that's kinda weird Jul 13 19:37:15 DocScrutinizer: seems popupnotifier is never triggered even though i can see dbus messages with dbus-monitor Jul 13 19:37:26 DocScrutinizer: do you care to test? Jul 13 19:37:42 nah, I care to profread maybe Jul 13 19:37:57 DocScrutinizer: ok, let me pastebin it. Jul 13 19:38:05 no use in testing things that don't work Jul 13 19:40:34 DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.com/U7KnpU6z Jul 13 19:41:31 DocScrutinizer: calltimerpopup.sh is not being tiggered Jul 13 19:44:57 trumee: you're sending >> string:$usedminutes string:`expr $FREEMINUTES - $usedminutes` << which looks weird in itself without and ticks or ", but worse you expect uint on the other end Jul 13 19:45:17 doesn't explain why the script isn't called without --debug Jul 13 19:45:58 aah sorry, no Jul 13 19:46:22 you're *sending* uint to the notifier, well that may work Jul 13 19:47:59 org.calltimer.values.give_some_values vs * * org.calltimer.values give_some_values * Jul 13 19:48:13 I'm not sure about that either Jul 13 19:48:21 may be correct though Jul 13 19:49:08 I always found configuring correct triggers for dbus-scripts a PITA Jul 13 19:49:46 took me half a day first time Jul 13 19:49:54 DocScrutinizer: modified upstart of dbus-scripts to --debug and rebooted. Jul 13 19:51:07 trumee: also make damn sure you got no garbage files in /etc/dbus-scripts.d/ ! Jul 13 19:51:36 I once had the "funny" idea to place a script in there as well, which ended as a dbus forkbomb Jul 13 19:52:10 now I know maemo5 kernel can handle no more than 1000some processes ;-P Jul 13 19:53:05 actually dbus-scripts daemon is a bitch regarding the trigger config files Jul 13 19:54:02 DocScrutinizer: ughh, even with dbus-scripts --debug --system using upstart doesnt work Jul 13 19:54:03 plus iirc it has a severe flaw in that it can't match at all on one of the several components of a dbus signal Jul 13 19:54:23 mhm Jul 13 19:54:34 DocScrutinizer: however if i do a killall -9 dbus-scripts and then do a run-standalone.sh dbus-scripts --system --debug it works! Jul 13 19:54:54 so don't you think it was related more to the way you started dbus-scripts when you first used it with --debug? Jul 13 19:55:13 yes, exactly what I thought Jul 13 19:55:33 dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Free minutes consumed: $5, Remaining minutes: $6" uint32:0 string:"OK" Jul 13 19:55:42 is to session bus, no? Jul 13 19:55:56 session bus of root is inexistent Jul 13 19:55:59 basically Jul 13 19:56:22 prepend that dbus-send call with run-standalone.sh Jul 13 19:56:23 DocScrutinizer: yup, that could be the issue Jul 13 19:57:00 or i could do dbus-send --system i think Jul 13 19:57:04 that *is* _an_ issue Jul 13 19:57:28 I'm sure notifier msgs must go to session bus Jul 13 19:58:20 as you theoreticaly could have multiple sessions (aka Xservers) that all have their own notfier handling Jul 13 19:59:05 so sending a notifier dbus comand to system bus is rather meaningless, or at nest ambiguous Jul 13 19:59:39 prepend >>run-standalone.sh dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Free minutes consumed: $5, Remaining minutes: $6" uint32:0 string:"OK"<< Jul 13 20:00:38 I'm doing exactly the same in improved booston script and also in some postinst script Jul 13 20:00:57 it's a known "issue" Jul 13 20:01:18 and run-standalone.sh is meant for exactly this Jul 13 20:03:56 DocScrutinizer: yay! you were right Jul 13 20:04:28 hello has some one a minute for me? Jul 13 20:04:58 DocScrutinizer: thanks for pointing that out Jul 13 20:06:58 trumee: yw Jul 13 20:07:22 trumee: make a nice package and mention me in the thanks ;-D Jul 13 20:07:37 didnt find anrgrybirds in ham tryed to install via apt-get but it says handler silently failed Jul 13 20:07:56 DocScrutinizer: ^^, most i will do is post it in tmo :) Jul 13 20:09:27 Itschue: hmm, that "handler silently failed" issue sounds somewhat familiar. I'm not sure what's the problem though, maybe somebody else can help Jul 13 20:09:52 sounds vaguely familiar but I forgot the solution Jul 13 20:09:56 how can i tell maemo not to do update if internet connection becomes available? Jul 13 20:10:26 i find its very curious since i have the n900 i didnt find angrybirds in ham many peoples sayd it is in ham Jul 13 20:10:50 vdv: it's on customizing maemo page on wiki .. i forget actual command Jul 13 20:10:55 maybe all those were wrong Jul 13 20:11:47 Sicelo: some gconftool --set commant to change time interval of updates to 1 year Jul 13 20:12:19 command* Jul 13 20:12:23 ah, right, something like that Jul 13 20:12:25 thanks Jul 13 20:12:58 the "handler silently failed" i found that could be broken package but i didnt think so Jul 13 20:13:21 wooow Jul 13 20:13:35 Rayman Origins engine is gonna be open-sourced! Jul 13 20:14:18 is it possible to download angrybirds .debfile with the pc? but i didnt know from where Jul 13 20:14:41 Itschue: I think the n900 got moved from ham to the ovi store Jul 13 20:14:44 and then the ovi store died Jul 13 20:17:46 i hate disco Jul 13 20:18:09 in ovi i found the angry birds level packs but didnt the game curious i think Jul 13 20:19:35 docscrutinizer is syslogd devel? Jul 13 20:21:05 Itschue23: http://maemo.org/packages/ Jul 13 20:24:54 doc is it sysklog? Jul 13 20:24:55 DocScrutinizer: done, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1050432#post1050432 Jul 13 20:25:16 Itschue23: yes, sounds familiar Jul 13 20:28:24 yes it called sysklog provides sys log daemon Jul 13 20:28:31 sysklogd Jul 13 20:30:17 trumee: seems you forgot something elementary ;-) Jul 13 20:30:26 DocScrutinizer: which is? Jul 13 20:30:39 DocScrutinizer: ah! Jul 13 20:30:48 :-D Jul 13 20:30:51 DocScrutinizer: end time in database? Jul 13 20:30:55 yup Jul 13 20:35:25 DocScrutinizer: tx, updated Jul 13 20:59:29 so, who to kill to get "account-plugin-google-talk" harmattan package? Jul 13 20:59:49 (and btw, no sign of generic jabber/xmpp support...) Jul 13 21:00:03 javispedro: I oubt killing omebody will really help ;-) Jul 13 21:00:38 * DocScrutinizer blows sharply on s|d keys Jul 13 21:01:43 javispedro: and o/ :-) Jul 13 21:02:05 well, field testing was ok, save for lack of gtalk.. Jul 13 21:02:13 battery is just slightly above n900's. Jul 13 21:02:32 my field testing revealed a poor GPS, as usual - without SIM inserted Jul 13 21:04:26 you'd think after <24h since last fix, at almost same location, under plain sky, it should get a fix a bit faster than only after 15min Jul 13 21:06:13 is there anywhere to search to find which repo an app is in? Jul 13 21:06:17 well, the sky wasn't exacly clear blue, so maybe GPS signal wasn't the best nevertheless Jul 13 21:06:53 Atarii: I once thought I could thell from apt-cache policy Jul 13 21:07:08 from repos I don't have I mean Jul 13 21:07:11 DocScrutinizer: worse than N900? Jul 13 21:07:11 like a web interface? Jul 13 21:07:33 trumee: like N900 in the early days Jul 13 21:08:01 DocScrutinizer: was that a hw or sw issue? Jul 13 21:08:22 on N900? probably a cmt-firmware issue Jul 13 21:08:56 Atarii: http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ Jul 13 21:09:00 errr Jul 13 21:09:02 nope Jul 13 21:09:29 http://maemo.org/packages/ Jul 13 21:09:38 should help Jul 13 21:09:54 perfect Jul 13 21:09:56 cheers :) Jul 13 21:10:02 yw Jul 13 21:11:03 DocScrutinizer: com.nokia.csd.Call.Instance Terminated gets triggered even on an incoming missed call Jul 13 21:11:15 DocScrutinizer: oh well. life cannot be perfect Jul 13 21:12:03 trumee: maybe you actually need to keep track of established calls and type of call established Jul 13 21:12:46 DocScrutinizer: yes, perhaps. Jul 13 21:13:04 trumee: but yeah, it gets triggered for end of *all* cmt calls Jul 13 21:13:46 where call==session here, and session == all that makes modem act as a phone Jul 13 21:14:00 hi, i finally cal init HAL and get the battery information Jul 13 21:14:01 except SMS I hope, and USSD Jul 13 21:15:03 DocScrutinizer: yes need to try out SMS. i dont use USSD Jul 13 21:15:22 a session in call context is starting with sending the "invite" to initiate a call, or inbound "invite", and ends when call is terminated either way Jul 13 21:15:36 just one question: Im trying to log the battery information every second/minitus. but i found, if the screen is off, then the battery information will remain the same for a long time, but if i click the screen and make it light, then the battery information will change immediately. Jul 13 21:15:52 trumee: It'd be great if you try USSD nevertheless Jul 13 21:15:56 can anybody tell me why? Jul 13 21:16:15 DocScrutinizer: never used it before, give me a command? Jul 13 21:16:16 trumee: it's not really hard to send a *111# Jul 13 21:16:36 or *555# Jul 13 21:17:06 ok, i get a Request Not completed + Popup doesnt appear Jul 13 21:17:11 hi, Docscrutinizer, help!! Jul 13 21:17:13 DocScrutinizer: so all good i suppose Jul 13 21:17:18 you'll receive an error reply usually, but that's a rather valid USSD anyway Jul 13 21:18:45 if i do qchroot image dir, some mounts are done behind the scene, those mounts are not undo if i leave chroot, isn't there any command to "cleanup" after leaving chroot? Jul 13 21:18:49 holmesII: I told you that your plans are useless, battery info doesn't change like 1/second, not even once per minute Jul 13 21:20:00 i know, it won't change so quick. I just want to know, if i get the battery info from HAL. is that the most direct information I can get? Jul 13 21:20:02 this is done for saving battery, as you don't want to run CPU all the time to monitor how battery gets eaten by monitoring battery - that's *nonsense* Jul 13 21:22:18 holmesII: sorry, I really can't answer your extremely generic questions - I have no idea what you want to do, what you finally want to achieve. There's a lot of info at various rates, and each of them has a different meaning. Asking for "reading out battery info the fastest possible way" just sounds like artificial nonsense to me Jul 13 21:23:40 i don't want to read the battery in a fast way. I just want to log the info, maybe 1 second a time, maybe 1 minute, maybe 1 hour a time. it doesn't matter how fast i log it. Jul 13 21:23:47 I'm not asking "how can I determine my body size 10 times per second?" - dunno if that's a good example Jul 13 21:25:07 the thing isi want to confirm if i just run my logger program and leave the phone there. the screen will shut off the light few seconds later. I just wonder, in that case, my programm running in the background will get the current battery capacity exactly? Jul 13 21:27:01 holmesII: well there's bme, the battery management entity. The info in hal about charge state is origin bme. bme is known to be a sucker and often lie about battery capacity, and probably it doesn't update hal capacity when there are "certain conditions" that make it likely nobody is interested in actual values. locked screen being one of those "certain conditions" Jul 13 21:27:03 right now, i am running my logger program and log the battery capacity every second, i also print out the result in terminal. i connect it by SSH. and see the current capacity stay in 529mha for a very long time. Jul 13 21:27:35 yes, known "problem" with bme Jul 13 21:28:28 i got it. that's why now i click the screen and the battery capacity is turn to 513 Jul 13 21:28:43 check out this script: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bq27200 Jul 13 21:29:28 what does that script for? Jul 13 21:29:40 it directly reads out the hardware, and sometimes the charge percentage isn't all that bad - sometimes it's off though esp when CI=1 Jul 13 21:30:16 what always is correct though are the values for voltage of cell, and current in/out of cell Jul 13 21:30:35 yes, i need the current in/out information Jul 13 21:30:46 you'll need i2ctools package for that Jul 13 21:31:03 * trumee wonders why pixelpipe was pulled out of ovi store. Jul 13 21:31:18 pr0n? Jul 13 21:31:40 it was a useful sharing plugin Jul 13 21:32:19 holmesII: even this script doesn't make any sense to run more frequently than every 5s, as that's the window raster of the hw probing Jul 13 21:32:52 you can run it with a parameter that gives a loop time in seconds Jul 13 21:33:03 like bq27200.sh 30 Jul 13 21:33:13 for one reading every 30s Jul 13 21:33:46 i made it chmod 777 bq27200.sh Jul 13 21:33:53 however, i can't run it in my N900 Jul 13 21:33:56 if you run it every 5s, you basically cover the full time 100%, as it shows the average values for the last completed 5.12s window Jul 13 21:34:19 it said /bin/sh: can't open Jul 13 21:34:30 holmesII: toldya you need i2ctools package installed Jul 13 21:34:34 err Jul 13 21:35:11 can't find it when i try apt-get install i2ctools Jul 13 21:35:41 maybe you need to use full pathname to script, place it in a location that your $PATH variable lists as valid location for executables, or add the dir where you placed it to $PATH Jul 13 21:36:15 i2ctools is in extras-devel repo afaik Jul 13 21:37:34 ~seen robbiethe1st Jul 13 21:37:36 http://maemo.org/packages/ helps a lot Jul 13 21:37:48 well, if i keep the screen light on, can i get the battery up-to-date information Jul 13 21:37:52 robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@71-34-223-199.spkn.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 9h 49m 42s ago, saying: 'Facebook = evil'. Jul 13 21:38:54 http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=i2c&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same Jul 13 21:39:49 holmesII: don't you think this is an exceptionally silly question? Jul 13 21:40:08 i really don't know. i am so sorry. Jul 13 21:41:46 what's the use in monitoring battery when you keep screen on which is knows to be the hugest power-hog after 3G-data and will eat battery in max 6h. I don't need to monitor battery to tell you it won't last any longer than 6h when you keep screen backlight on Jul 13 21:42:47 so we again are at the point where I completely fail to understand WHY you are doing all this Jul 13 21:43:00 it makes no sense to me Jul 13 21:43:25 i have another program and i need to know how fast that program consume the battery. Jul 13 21:43:38 make a compare Jul 13 21:43:47 and I have a hard time giving advice for sth that makes no sense, just as I can't decide what *is* a good advice when I don't know what's the purpose Jul 13 21:44:20 that's why i need to write a logger Jul 13 21:44:55 ok, you want to know how much power $tandom-acme-program is using? use the script I gave you, it's the best for that purpose Jul 13 21:45:48 thanks for that link DocScrutinizer, saved me from making a donkey of myself Jul 13 21:46:29 check this http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption and that http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powerscript Jul 13 21:47:07 Sicelo: which link? Jul 13 21:49:39 package search.. i was needing /lib/libac1.s0.1 and /lib/libattr.so.1.1.0 for backupmenu, hence the highlighting to robbiethe1st Jul 13 21:49:47 thank you so much! If you got my idea early, you could saved me few days ago. Jul 13 21:51:01 holmesII: it's been you who was kinda non-verbous about your idea. You always asked about details without mentioning what you are doing. This is prone to fail Jul 13 21:51:14 a good read for next weekend: Jul 13 21:51:18 ~question Jul 13 21:51:18 i heard question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Jul 13 21:51:25 'lo Jul 13 22:16:08 i can run http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powerscript now, but i can't run http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bq27200, it said /bin/sh can't open Jul 13 22:16:16 i already installed i2ctools Jul 13 22:17:27 forget my script at user:joerg, the simplified script at http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powerscript is perfect for your purpose Jul 13 22:25:00 yes. thanks. please let me know what's the meaning of these three? NAC CACD CACT Jul 13 22:25:43 theirs resutls seem the same. but i don't know what's that. Jul 13 22:26:31 the unit is mhA, those three report the same number. but they are not the same of battery.reporting.current Jul 13 22:27:48 thank god the nfs module is whitelisted by aegis Jul 13 22:28:42 i will come back later. please let me know the meaning of NAC CACD CACT and the relathionship between those three and battery.reporting.current . Thanks!! Jul 13 23:47:19 bah, still cant figure out how to get GDB to attach to hildon-desktop :( Jul 13 23:48:17 you will see two hildon-desktop processes Jul 13 23:48:20 one is the launcher stub Jul 13 23:48:23 use the second one Jul 13 23:57:33 thanks, that seems to work Jul 13 23:59:17 lls Jul 14 00:04:12 god GDB sucks for debugging a shared library loaded with dlopen() Jul 14 00:04:26 technically it should work out of the box Jul 14 00:04:27 Its too hard to find out where in memory the library ended up :( Jul 14 00:04:53 I cant get gdb to recognize where the library loaded Jul 14 00:13:07 jonwil: run the main executable loading this lib, until it calls some lib function? Jul 14 00:13:43 if you know how I can attach to hildon-desktop before its loaded any plugins, that would be nice to know :P Jul 14 00:13:56 but I dont think either xterm or ssh is able to run at that point in time :P Jul 14 00:14:02 Neigh impossible. Jul 14 00:14:55 You might be able to kick the watchdog, kill it using dsmetool and then spawn it again inside gdb Jul 14 00:15:03 very very very simple: replace the line in upstart script (or whatever) saying "hildon-desktop" by "gdb(-remote) hildon-desktop" Jul 14 00:15:44 * javispedro thinks gdb has had this feature for ages, and in fact I remember using it even on the older N900 arm version.. Jul 14 00:16:13 I used info sharedlibrary which lists some libraries Jul 14 00:16:17 but doesnt list the ones opened with dlopebn Jul 14 00:16:19 dlopen Jul 14 00:16:23 since they were opened before gdb ran Jul 14 00:16:45 "older N900 arm version" - what's that? Jul 14 00:17:16 I dont think changing the hildon-desktop startup script will help since gdb will require user input at that point, input that I cant provide as there is no terminal Jul 14 00:17:34 ... Jul 14 00:17:36 jonwil: that does not work that way, it's actually easier to read the current loaded objects _after_ dlopen has been called Jul 14 00:17:43 oh ok Jul 14 00:17:46 that's where the "remote" bit comes in Jul 14 00:17:47 it's just a linked list Jul 14 00:17:57 so how come info sharedlibraries doesnt display them then? Jul 14 00:18:00 so no idea why it does not work on hd Jul 14 00:18:04 maybe lack of "-g"? Jul 14 00:18:34 you can build h-d with -g Jul 14 00:18:45 and then either replace your device's Jul 14 00:18:54 or just touch /etc/no_lg_reboots to be able to kill stock h-d. Jul 14 00:19:10 wut? Jul 14 00:19:30 "wut?"? Jul 14 00:19:35 javispedro disclosing some if his very special magic curses ? Jul 14 00:19:46 hah Jul 14 00:19:49 but this is very old stuff Jul 14 00:19:52 from 770 days =) Jul 14 00:20:05 yeah, very special secret magic Jul 14 00:20:13 as for changing the init script, that wont work since it wont be attaching gdb to the second h-d process, the one that is spawned via maemo-launcher Jul 14 00:20:25 never ever heard about /etc/no_lg_reboots Jul 14 00:20:47 Why can't you respawn it from within gdb? Jul 14 00:20:48 lg means lifeguard iirc. Jul 14 00:21:17 hah Jul 14 00:21:24 jonwil: right Jul 14 00:21:45 Use dsmetool to kill it and then exec within gdb. Jul 14 00:22:02 ok, how do I do that with dsmetool? and how do I exec within gdb? Jul 14 00:22:16 jonwil: unless yiu use that magic -f(?) for follow-forked-processes Jul 14 00:22:30 * javispedro suggest building "-g" h-d, makes things much easier... Jul 14 00:22:30 ? Jul 14 00:22:59 gdbserver doesn't support that -f option Jul 14 00:23:15 nor does gdb Jul 14 00:23:19 Either way, you'll need lifeguards turned off -> might as well simply rebuild hildon-desktop as per javispedro. Jul 14 00:23:19 at least not the binaries I have Jul 14 00:23:26 first of all, take dsmetool out of the equation, for this edit upstart script Jul 14 00:23:47 What would be the purpose of that? Jul 14 00:23:51 X doesn't *need* to be run under dsme supervision Jul 14 00:24:17 so if I edit the upstart script, that will remove the need to fiddle with the watchdog bits? Jul 14 00:24:24 and it's actually dsme that reboots when X process quits, I guess Jul 14 00:24:45 Why would you muck with upstart when you an safely kill and restart it "preattached"? Jul 14 00:25:11 preattaching it wont work since the gdb I have doesnt support -f Jul 14 00:25:17 fiddle with the watchdog? Jul 14 00:25:25 what's so hard about touching a file in /etc? =) Jul 14 00:25:38 so I cant get it to attach to the other process, the one started by maemo-launcher Jul 14 00:25:47 Oh. Jul 14 00:26:09 so will any of these ideas actually help me? Jul 14 00:26:24 given the lack of -f Jul 14 00:26:37 and inabillity to attach to the actual hildon-desktop process and not the stub Jul 14 00:26:45 What I would do: build h-d with -g. touch /etc/no_lg_reboots. upload built h-d to device. killall hildon-desktop. run and attach. Jul 14 00:27:01 because the reason dso tracking does not work is most probably lack of -g Jul 14 00:27:20 except that I dont have a clue how to build hildon-desktop Jul 14 00:27:26 oh Jul 14 00:27:29 forget all my nonsesne comments Jul 14 00:27:34 apt-get source hildon-desktop on ARMEL sdk Jul 14 00:27:45 apt-get build-dep hildon-desktop Jul 14 00:27:50 enter hildon-desktop-* folder Jul 14 00:27:53 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Jul 14 00:28:02 the binary will be around src/ Jul 14 00:28:15 there is cruft and black magic like /usr/bin/hildon-startup-progress in etc/events.d/ Jul 14 00:28:25 Uh. gdb 'set follow-fork-mode' Jul 14 00:28:27 in fact, if you build it, you can get the standalone executable -- without launcher magic. Jul 14 00:28:45 hawai`i: that's what I meant by -f Jul 14 00:29:23 And that doesn't work, inconjuction with set detach-on-fork, why? Jul 14 00:29:44 how do I make sure that dpkg-buildpackage builds hildon-desktop with -g? Jul 14 00:30:02 it is always built with -g, however debian strips it during package creating Jul 14 00:30:06 That will give gdb control over all subsequently forked processes Jul 14 00:30:16 so if you get the executable from src/ instead of using the created package, you will be fine. Jul 14 00:30:21 oh ok Jul 14 00:30:25 sounds good Jul 14 00:31:07 what I do not remember at the moment is how relatively easy is to get a standalone executable (instead of .launch stuff) Jul 14 00:31:29 btw launch stuff you can invoke with maemo-summoner Jul 14 00:33:20 lot of stuff to understand here, but fortunately this is mostly known -- lots of h-d hackers around Jul 14 00:33:34 hehe Jul 14 00:33:50 I imagine I am not the first guy who wants to run a debugger on a hildon-desktop status bar gizmo plugin :) Jul 14 00:34:13 you bet Jul 14 00:34:52 acme sigsegv gizmo plugin Jul 14 00:35:46 acme sigsegv plugin =) Jul 14 00:35:47 on wiki, under tools section, there was a strace incantation that runs *all* processes on the system under strace Jul 14 00:36:00 but I guess it also attaches late Jul 14 00:37:27 jonwil: also you can usually set the environment variable DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip during package build in order to make the .deb contain unstripped binaries Jul 14 00:37:35 ok, now running dpkg-buildpackage Jul 14 00:38:27 * DocScrutinizer ponders to bookmark the chanlog of -like- an hour ago Jul 14 00:38:49 best most terse tutorial ever Jul 14 00:40:01 javispedro spitting out one line that saves you 5h googling and reading thru 50 pages manual and nagedinag Jul 14 00:40:40 mere platinum Jul 14 00:40:52 =) Jul 14 00:41:03 remember the original problem was gdb not reading dlopen'd dsos Jul 14 00:41:09 and that's not solved yet =) Jul 14 00:44:07 lets hope building hildon-desktop with -G can help Jul 14 00:44:10 -g Jul 14 00:45:41 I wonder if dlopen() loaded libs are identical to the ones that get loaderlinked Jul 14 00:45:58 in the memory program text Jul 14 00:46:36 e.g. gbd could go for the list of linked libs in ELF Jul 14 00:46:40 yes Jul 14 00:46:50 that's how it works -- or at least how I think it wors Jul 14 00:47:29 there's a global linked list with its head on a well-known symbol Jul 14 00:47:40 it contains pointers to ELF headers of all loaded images Jul 14 00:47:45 be it executables or shared objects Jul 14 00:47:56 aaah, ok then Jul 14 00:48:06 that list isn't sttaic :-) Jul 14 00:48:10 static Jul 14 00:48:23 nope Jul 14 00:48:55 I was concerned gdb could look directly to the static list of libs as founf in binaries ELF Jul 14 00:49:01 for some reason I know how this works on MacOS X better than ELF =) Jul 14 00:49:22 s/binaries/executable's/ Jul 14 00:49:22 DocScrutinizer meant: I was concerned gdb could look directly to the static list of libs as founf in executable's ELF Jul 14 00:50:58 ok, I rebuilt h-d now and other than some errors about signatures, it seems to have worked Jul 14 00:51:10 but anyway, all the libs' functions have to show up on the list of known symbols eventually, and that's the linked list you meant, I guess Jul 14 00:52:18 ok, I see a file called hildon-desktop in the /src folder Jul 14 00:52:21 is that the one I want? Jul 14 00:52:32 run file on it, see if its a dso, symlink or plain executable Jul 14 00:52:50 * DocScrutinizer yawns and mumbles "bookmarked.... http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html ... too late..." Jul 14 00:53:19 ok, file says "ELF 32-bit LSB shared object,. ARM" Jul 14 00:53:45 dso, ah well. Jul 14 00:53:56 so what do I need to do? Jul 14 00:54:02 you should be able to run this via "maemo-summoner path/to/this/file" Jul 14 00:54:03 now that I have h-d built? Jul 14 00:54:07 ok, sounds good Jul 14 00:54:14 so, "gdb --args maemo-summoner /a/b" Jul 14 00:54:52 ok, so what do I do to properly kill the old h-d process without tripping a reboot? Jul 14 00:55:04 4.3. dlsym() http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/dl-libraries.html Jul 14 00:55:05 touch /etc/no_lg_reboots and kill it Jul 14 00:55:40 finally got openoffice to compile in less than an hour. Wed Jul 13 11:19:39 2011 >>> app-office/openoffice-3.2.1-r1 merge time: 55 minutes and 33 seconds. Jul 14 00:55:55 ok, that didnt work Jul 14 00:55:58 gn00b: clearly, your build was incomplete, that's impossible. Jul 14 00:56:02 I did touch /etc/no_lg_reboots Jul 14 00:56:07 then killall hildon-dekstop Jul 14 00:56:17 but it just got restarted (presumably by dsme) Jul 14 00:56:23 hm Jul 14 00:56:24 i7 950 12gb ram Jul 14 00:56:33 I suspect I need to use dsmetool to kill it Jul 14 00:56:59 ideas anyone? Jul 14 00:57:05 hello :) Jul 14 00:58:29 doing any kind of debugging on any of the "critical" processes such as hildon-desktop, mce etc is a pain in the ass Jul 14 00:59:02 I am a pain in the ass too, believe me Jul 14 01:00:54 jonwil: /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop stop Jul 14 01:02:04 gn00b: still impossibe, OOo always automatically enlarges to fill all available cores and disk space Jul 14 01:02:13 I still remember when building it just required 2 GiB... Jul 14 01:02:15 houston, I got a problem! My battery life is really low: it doesn't last one day IDLE. And there's nothing stressing the CPU. It just happened, after i left the fone turned off 4 days Jul 14 01:02:56 What applications have you got installed? Jul 14 01:03:01 Anything that polls the network? Jul 14 01:03:09 nope, nothing. Jul 14 01:03:35 I mean, every application that polls the network is in "manual" mode Jul 14 01:06:23 RiD: chech ifconfig to see traffic you didn't know about. If there is any, use tshark to see what exactly it is. use pwertop to find hidden CPU hogs. If nothing helps, switch down modem completely - after all your carrier could allow floodpinging your IP, and that wouldn't even show up as traffic on your ifconfig output is some cases Jul 14 01:06:30 ok, its NOT hildon-desktop that I need to debug, its hildon-home Jul 14 01:06:32 bah Jul 14 01:06:43 MUHAHA Jul 14 01:06:47 no wonder things arent working Jul 14 01:08:24 aha, NOW I see the library I want in the library list Jul 14 01:08:57 jonwil: well, now you've built hildon-desktop - isn't this amking you feel better alrady ;-) Jul 14 01:09:05 :P Jul 14 01:09:22 DARN I can't type anymore Jul 14 01:10:26 anyway many thanks. You made javispedro do a lesson hour that's better than all bookreading Jul 14 01:10:35 :-D Jul 14 01:11:01 of course many thanks to you javispedro as well, for that lesson Jul 14 01:11:14 About what - should I read backscroll? Jul 14 01:11:35 how to build and gdb $random-program Jul 14 01:11:39 ah Jul 14 01:12:06 dunno, I just commented on how I used to do build and test my h-d patches =) Jul 14 01:12:11 here: hilden-desktop Jul 14 01:12:14 :-D Jul 14 01:12:49 DocScrutinizer what should i exactly search in ifconfig? in "lo" it shows RX bytes:36818 (35.9 KiB) TX bytes:36818 (35.9 KiB),etc. everything seems normal, wlan is using a bit more (obviously, I'm connected to my home wifi) Jul 14 01:13:05 also - powertop Jul 14 01:13:08 Get screen Jul 14 01:13:22 btw, there are things that will take longer to build than OO.o Jul 14 01:13:40 building gcc is an excercise in pain for example Jul 14 01:13:54 gcc was painless for me last time Jul 14 01:13:57 oh - you mean cross Jul 14 01:13:59 SpeedEvil: what the hell.. no command found (even on root) Jul 14 01:14:17 you need to install powertop and screen from the sdk repos Jul 14 01:14:44 SpeedEvil oh, forgive my n00bishness. I'll do it now Jul 14 01:14:52 jonwil: noway, OOo takes waywaywayway more Jul 14 01:14:58 ok Jul 14 01:15:16 and like 15GiB last time I builti t Jul 14 01:15:22 RiD: in gprs0 compare traffic values after some time, if they changed Jul 14 01:15:28 i wonder what takes longer to build, ooo or atlas... Jul 14 01:15:40 whats atlas? Jul 14 01:15:46 build OOo on a N900! Jul 14 01:15:56 maybe by next year you'll already have oowriter! Jul 14 01:16:08 if the flash chip doesn't die first. Jul 14 01:16:16 some maths libs that do lots of optimizations during the build which take a long time Jul 14 01:16:58 http://math-atlas.sourceforge.net/ Jul 14 01:17:00 RiD: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management Jul 14 01:17:15 bbl Jul 14 01:17:25 KDE should go on the list of things that take forever to build Jul 14 01:17:30 true Jul 14 01:17:54 javispedro: 15GiB RAM? Jul 14 01:17:55 especially if you need to emerge a full new set of libs for QT etc at the same time Jul 14 01:18:02 DocScrutinizer: disk Jul 14 01:18:09 DocScrutinizer: .o files, etc. Jul 14 01:18:14 meh that's nuttin. Try libboost Jul 14 01:18:24 nah, libboost is like 20% the time of OOo Jul 14 01:18:35 :-P Jul 14 01:18:43 OOo is like the ultimate C++ monster Jul 14 01:18:53 whenever there's a new version I shudder Jul 14 01:19:03 I thought OOo had lots of java in it too Jul 14 01:19:12 doesnt ooo build its own copy of python etc too? Jul 14 01:19:35 well I don't know why it takes so much to build so it maybe builds its copy of python, and of Linux, and of GCC, and of whatever else. Jul 14 01:19:39 jonwil: OK you shot the bull's eye with KDE Jul 14 01:20:21 Thankfully OO.o is not something I have installed Jul 14 01:20:21 * javispedro gnite Jul 14 01:20:31 javispedro: aaaw Jul 14 01:20:36 :-D Jul 14 01:20:45 good night Jul 14 01:20:56 gnite javispedro Jul 14 01:20:57 vya Jul 14 01:20:58 * nox- too Jul 14 01:21:01 gentoo native Jul 14 01:21:11 ;-P Jul 14 01:21:19 inck KDE and OOo Jul 14 01:21:37 now top THAT! Jul 14 01:21:47 XP Jul 14 01:22:24 DocScrutinizer: It's now collecting data Jul 14 01:22:27 installing and setting up a fresh XP still takes longer than building ooo :P Jul 14 01:22:50 last I heard is you can only use every second update, as with the first update you're still compiling ;-P Jul 14 01:22:57 hahaha Jul 14 01:23:10 now top THAT! Jul 14 01:23:18 linux! Jul 14 01:23:25 ok, jk Jul 14 01:23:36 gentoo *is* linux, no? Jul 14 01:24:09 lol gentoo Jul 14 01:24:55 "Build everything from source! Do it, MANUALLY is the best. You will earn about 1s within booting! Jul 14 01:25:03 that's my feeling about it Jul 14 01:25:11 s/"// Jul 14 01:25:37 DocScrutinizer: A whole bunch of characters appeared, as expected haha. last two lines were: Total wakeups 17903, 596.8/s | IRQ 14221, 474.0/s | Timers 3682, 122.7/snHW wakeups 0, 0.0/s | Real gp_timers expired 234, 7.8/s Jul 14 01:27:02 RiD: please refer to the URLs I posted above. SpeedEvil explained powertop quite nicely there (except that last two lines, as I noticed today ;-D ) Jul 14 01:28:05 your phone looks a bit busy anyway, just from looking at those last two lines even Jul 14 01:28:49 powertop will elaborate on which process was that busy, in the "lots of characters" above Jul 14 01:29:39 I prefer calling it line noise when I don't understand a single character :D Jul 14 01:29:43 whatever Jul 14 01:29:44 Haha, most likely because I'm chatting from the phone. I'll take a deeper look on those pages Jul 14 01:31:19 they are worse it - SpeedEvil is an excellent analytic and teacher Jul 14 01:31:28 worth ;-P Jul 14 01:31:35 MEH good night Jul 14 01:32:31 See ya later, then Jul 14 01:37:35 C0 | 16.0% | | 1150 MHz | nan% | Jul 14 01:38:45 It doesn't understand powerkenrel Jul 14 01:39:18 Ah, It scared me. D; Jul 14 01:42:22 hildon desktop is in the 1st place of activthe top activity. PID1324 Activity:1836 Function Entry(exp): schedule_hrtimeout_range (hrtimer_wakeup) Jul 14 01:43:42 With screen blanked? Jul 14 01:44:00 start powertop, blank the screen, wait 60s Jul 14 01:44:36 with blanked you mean turned off right? (<- what a stupid question) Jul 14 01:44:41 yes Jul 14 01:48:03 back, hildon-desktop is still the top activity. Jul 14 01:48:04 1324 | 1874 | hildon-desktop | schedule_hrtimeout_range (hrtimer_wakeup) Jul 14 01:49:07 86% of the time it kept in C1 state, left percentage was in C0. Jul 14 01:50:22 Somethings screwy. Jul 14 01:50:30 What widgets do you have active?/ Jul 14 01:50:33 haha i knew it! :/ Jul 14 01:50:49 omweather and ussd widget Jul 14 01:51:19 both only update when i decide to Jul 14 01:52:06 http://pastebin.com/d0pQerKM Jul 14 01:52:23 for example - is my device - with USB unplugged Jul 14 01:52:51 what a big difference! Jul 14 01:52:57 'C4' state is the state it should be in most of the time. Jul 14 01:53:14 It seems like it's never in C4, then. Jul 14 01:55:25 RiD: do you have a "short" applauncher menu? I.E. a menu with so few icons that it can not scroll up or down? Jul 14 01:55:39 http://pastebin.com/Na3ctbGp - that's mine. It was done connected to WiFi Jul 14 01:55:45 yes, I do. Jul 14 01:55:55 that's it then Jul 14 01:56:03 RiD: there's a bug in hildon-desktop Jul 14 01:56:28 it constantly tries bouncing up and down when menu is "too short" Jul 14 01:56:29 Right now all i want to do is throw myself at the window Jul 14 01:56:38 But it's cold outside Jul 14 01:56:52 either make your menu longer, or get the fixed hildon-desktop, see CSSU Jul 14 01:57:22 I can't really believe that my menu was haunting me. Jul 14 01:57:52 good morning Jul 14 01:58:18 thanks everyone, heh. I had CSSU before, maybe I'll install it or just add more icons (currently it's just two rows) Jul 14 01:59:25 But only the main launcher layer matters, or does the other ones have an impact too? (folders) Jul 14 01:59:48 well that was a bust Jul 14 02:00:04 RiD: unclear Jul 14 02:01:26 this bug dates back to PR1.2 and I fixed it by replacing hildon desktop original with the way better and bugfixed matan's Modified Hildon Desktop Jul 14 02:01:42 debugging connui-cellular-operator-home-item.so, libconnui.so.0 and libconnui_cell.so.0 brought me no closer to figuring out the connui functions I want to call Jul 14 02:01:51 specifically the callback function passed to connui_cell_net_status_register Jul 14 02:01:52 :( Jul 14 02:02:00 :/ Jul 14 02:02:13 so I can't say if the bug is only in main applauncher screen, but I guess it's not Jul 14 02:02:37 DocScrutinizer: Well, I'll install CSSU then Jul 14 02:02:51 either that, or just MHD Jul 14 02:03:04 Thanks again to DocScrutinizer and SpeedEvil :D Jul 14 02:03:17 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jul 14 02:05:55 when i switch my n900's wlan0 to monitor mode and back to managed mode, it disconnects from the wireless network it was on. i can reconnect it through the gui, but how can i get it to reconnect via the command line? Jul 14 02:05:56 # fix annoying hildon-desktop cpu hog bug Jul 14 02:12:21 Oh by the way,my tracker isn't working. It simply doesnt indexes any of my media. (this has been for some time too, but i never really cared about that because i dont use some of the stock applications such as the media player etc) Jul 14 02:16:55 I'm off, it's 3:12 here and I have more stuff to do xD. Jul 14 02:20:50 can anyone tell me which value is exact equal to battery.reporting.current? http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bq27200 Jul 14 02:24:58 solved my problem from before - had to stop icd2 before switching to monitor mode and start it after switching back to managed mode Jul 14 02:28:08 libconnui_cell is annoying the hell out of me, I wanna call it but I cant figure out how :( Jul 14 02:39:52 May need to give up hope ever being able to call it :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 14 02:59:57 2011