**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 16 02:59:57 2011 Jul 16 03:00:27 RiD: I even heard online shops have rather relaxed age checks Jul 16 03:00:47 RiD: nah, I live in a ghost town (sarcasm). All my friends are tractor drivers and are farmers Jul 16 03:00:49 RiD: you'd need a paypal account though Jul 16 03:01:02 if he doesnt buy pr0n or weapons then there is no age verification at all .. unless you want to buy with a credit card Jul 16 03:03:33 DocScrutinizer: I do have a paypal account, with 0,01€ in it Jul 16 03:04:04 thats more than me Jul 16 03:04:35 i withdrawn all money from it and wanted to cancel it .. but unfortunally canceling it requires more paperwork than opening one Jul 16 03:04:38 RiD: transfer some 22€ to it, so you can pay the keymat, and fine you are Jul 16 03:04:57 DocScrutinizer: But you can put money there whenever you want, I can't. that cent was donated xD Jul 16 03:05:16 lol Jul 16 03:05:40 RiD: you don't have a friend with a bank account, or even you got a bank account? Jul 16 03:06:28 RiD: I actually got a bank acc today Jul 16 03:06:48 still waiting for activation, and all that paper stuff Jul 16 03:07:51 so use that then Jul 16 03:08:26 Not yet, have to wait. And because portugal banks are so amazing, it's going to take a while Jul 16 03:09:21 Today the only thing you could see on tv was "moody's cut down 7 portuguese banks ratings to a considered trash category". Quite funny but NOT good Jul 16 03:09:31 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Resources Jul 16 03:09:31 haha DocScrutinizer for you: http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/11/07/16/0020243/Lennart-Poettering-BSD-Isnt-Relevant-Anymore Jul 16 03:09:40 Anyone want to provide feedback on that wiki page I made? Jul 16 03:09:45 Or want to add anything to it? Jul 16 03:09:48 Good morning Jul 16 03:11:18 jonwil: nice Jul 16 03:11:41 Tried to add everything I could find relavent to Fremantle and the N900 Jul 16 03:13:13 jonwil: I definitely will, but not now as I'm getting a bit tired Jul 16 03:13:22 I'm off for now. Good night or day, whatever your timezone is. Jul 16 03:13:42 same as yours :P Jul 16 03:14:03 cehteh: UK? :D Jul 16 03:14:07 I'm +1h I guess Jul 16 03:14:11 ah no one hour off .. germany Jul 16 03:14:23 ah Jul 16 03:18:31 ok, I am going to post a note about my wiki page to the mailing list Jul 16 03:18:35 in case it helps people out Jul 16 03:18:43 and/or people have more info for it Jul 16 03:31:39 so yeah lets see if anyone else has anything to add to my wiki page :P Jul 16 03:45:31 jonwil: awesome work Jul 16 03:54:19 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jul 16 03:55:50 Lets hope it leads to some people comming out of the woodwork and posting some more info to the page :) Jul 16 03:57:04 yeah Jul 16 04:17:05 stupid google chrome crash again rand, Jul 16 04:17:16 wrong channel Jul 16 04:39:54 whats up doc? Jul 16 05:00:36 Hehe, Lennart Poettering fully confirming my expectations =) Jul 16 05:03:12 /sb end Jul 16 06:48:22 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Kootol-joins-Lodsys-as-a-patent-troll/ <-- seriously... the US still hasn't figured out that patents are bad? Jul 16 06:53:30 Nah, we make our money off that stuff. Jul 16 06:53:38 Remember, it's the big companies that make the laws here Jul 16 06:53:43 Jul 16 07:02:41 bah, cant figure out these last 3 functions in libconnui_cellular :( Jul 16 08:11:25 hallo Jul 16 09:05:26 * jonwil wishes he could find someone (or something) to vent his frustration at over these damn connui functions Jul 16 09:08:26 :/ Jul 16 09:13:15 libconnui and libconnui_cell are some of the most complex-to-figure-out libraries I have ever tried to reverse engineer Jul 16 11:03:41 DocScrutinizer: ping Jul 16 11:04:12 how do I escape a & with web stuff? Jul 16 11:04:23 & Jul 16 11:27:44 dong Jul 16 11:28:02 trumee: pong Jul 16 11:29:04 instead of escaping each special character, can I just use ""? Jul 16 11:29:10 message="test&test" Jul 16 11:29:19 rather than message=test&test Jul 16 11:29:35 in html? no Jul 16 11:29:51 URLs Jul 16 11:29:56 or curl Jul 16 11:30:34 a URL isn't per se rendered Jul 16 11:31:13 if you pass it to a html renderer then " " doesn't help anything Jul 16 11:31:38 same thing for RTF Jul 16 11:32:26 you don't need the escapes in the filename.rtf, but inside the file Jul 16 11:34:16 DocScrutinizer: trying to modify the calltimer script to take into account the free numbers Jul 16 11:34:59 yay Jul 16 11:35:17 DocScrutinizer: select * from db where id not in('123','456'); wondering how to specify '123', '456' as a shell variable? Jul 16 11:35:28 get a new table in the database, with all the free number prefixes Jul 16 11:35:47 DocScrutinizer: no dont want to touch the database. Jul 16 11:35:57 make a new one Jul 16 11:36:41 DocScrutinizer: that is a possibility. but specifying numbers in the shell script is the easiest Jul 16 11:40:04 tricky Jul 16 11:43:11 with a database table it was sth like>>a outer join b where not (a.number = b.number)<< Jul 16 11:44:04 (sorry, waiting for coffee to kick in so this is probably *very* "sth like" and buggy) Jul 16 11:45:13 DocScrutinizer: yes, with a separate db i can work it out but i want to avoid that route Jul 16 11:46:08 everything else gets nasty Jul 16 11:47:37 you can call external functions in sqlite, afaik Jul 16 11:48:36 I've also seen funny hacker trolls assembling SQL commands dynamically Jul 16 11:49:28 which feels very very awkward Jul 16 11:49:43 DocScrutinizer: guess it will be hardcoded values then :) Jul 16 11:50:59 well, given you're caling that via sql cmdline, you have a shell that expands $var prior to passing the cmdline to an executable. Exploit that Jul 16 11:51:22 it will be hardcoded nevertheless, but a bit better readable Jul 16 11:52:27 select * from db where id not in($notThose); Jul 16 11:52:44 notThose='123;456' Jul 16 11:53:19 I think you made up that syntax anyway ;-D Jul 16 11:54:25 notThose='\'123\';\'456\'' even Jul 16 11:57:04 btw you'll get extreme headache with 0800xxxx etc Jul 16 11:58:09 DocScrutinizer: notThose='\'123\';\'456\''; echo $notThose error Jul 16 11:58:44 DocScrutinizer: dont think 0800xxx numbers are free anyway Jul 16 11:59:06 maybe a *completely* different approach was better: try to find a way to ask your carrier's account infra about what's your balance right now Jul 16 11:59:16 DocScrutinizer: but i could use NOT LIKE 0800% to match them Jul 16 11:59:27 DocScrutinizer: tried that. not possible Jul 16 11:59:49 echo error? Jul 16 12:00:13 hi, what is the normal battery temp for the n900? @ normal to high usage.. Jul 16 12:00:26 I leave it up to you to figure out how to escape the ticks correctly Jul 16 12:00:27 DocScrutinizer: yes Jul 16 12:00:38 DocScrutinizer: yeah, escapes not working :) Jul 16 12:00:44 mine is 85, but I'm sitting in the hot noon/afternoon sun Jul 16 12:01:14 DocScrutinizer: not sure why you put a ; in there Jul 16 12:01:15 85 degrees celsius Jul 16 12:01:28 trumee: for your leisure: file:///home/jr/Desktop/downloads/abs-guide.pdf ;-D Jul 16 12:01:40 arvut, that's extremely high Jul 16 12:01:51 how are you measuring? Jul 16 12:01:58 ok, better cool it down b4 device melts then Jul 16 12:02:06 there IS NO bat temp readout Jul 16 12:02:30 healthcheck says so Jul 16 12:02:39 healthcheck lies Jul 16 12:02:48 oh.. Jul 16 12:03:04 it's most likely the bat gauge die temp, like always Jul 16 12:03:07 it's more of an internal ambient temp when not charging Jul 16 12:03:10 well, the device is hot so 85 would be assumable Jul 16 12:03:45 nevertheless 85°C is way too hot Jul 16 12:03:57 except for CPU temp maybe Jul 16 12:04:19 LiIon cells may die at 70°C Jul 16 12:04:57 the watning always says "DO NOT HEAT UP TO >= 100°C" Jul 16 12:05:03 warning* Jul 16 12:05:27 Yeah my first N810 battery died after 2 weeks in jeans pocket in german summer Jul 16 12:05:36 I think cells die even earlier, at maybe 70° or 80° Jul 16 12:06:21 Well :-) Jul 16 12:06:24 and "die" here means internal short, swell, vent, possibly explode and catch fire Jul 16 12:07:04 iirc thermal runaway is slightly north of 100, and it's enough if a miniscule part exceeds the thermal runaway threshold Jul 16 12:07:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU Jul 16 12:07:53 depends on type of separator membrane Jul 16 12:07:54 lipo undergoing thermal runaway. Jul 16 12:08:09 (in this case due to mechanical damage) Jul 16 12:08:33 which is why smallest contaminants or excessive out of spec wear (trickle charging, overdischarging) can be dangerous causing local hotspots Jul 16 12:09:37 yes, exactly that will happen as well when separator melts instead of mechanical puncture Jul 16 12:09:52 may happen at 80°, usually at 100° Jul 16 12:10:04 cheap ebay batteries have paper separators ;p Jul 16 12:10:27 DocScrutinizer: easypeasy Jul 16 12:11:01 I have a 3S LiPo I accidentally discharged to .8V/cell. I should try charge it @40W :) Jul 16 12:11:15 haha, just noticed I gave trumee a local URL Jul 16 12:13:39 trumee: http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs Jul 16 12:15:00 DocScrutinizer: yeah noticed that Jul 16 12:15:39 DocScrutinizer: anyway i have updated the script, numbers can be set like FREE='"123","456"' Jul 16 12:15:57 cool, how about wildcards? Jul 16 12:16:33 DocScrutinizer: not needed :) Jul 16 12:16:40 haha Jul 16 12:16:57 * trumee recommend DocScrutinizer to read that book :p Jul 16 12:17:17 lol Jul 16 12:17:41 eh? Jul 16 12:18:47 you mean I should have done it right first take, like '\\\'123\\\',\\\'456\\\'' ? Jul 16 12:19:18 YOU should have suggested proper string tagging, with " instead ' Jul 16 12:19:41 * ruskie wonders what the debate is all about Jul 16 12:19:51 DocScrutinizer: just kidding :) Jul 16 12:20:16 [2011-07-16 13:30:10] DocScrutinizer: select * from db where id not in('123','456'); wondering how to specify '123', '456' as a shell variable? Jul 16 12:20:40 ahh Jul 16 12:20:55 VAR="'123','456'" Jul 16 12:20:57 should work Jul 16 12:21:10 yeah, probably Jul 16 12:21:35 i think both work with sql Jul 16 12:22:20 it's NOT about SQL, it's first instance about shell var expansion and evaluation Jul 16 12:22:43 ah, 130C kaboom. "short excursions" to max 60C Jul 16 12:22:50 * ShadowJK found some random specs Jul 16 12:23:47 DocScrutinizer: *node* Jul 16 12:24:03 ShadowJK: again, depends on type of separator membrane, also on quality of that membrane *after* cell got built Jul 16 12:24:47 lcuk: moo Jul 16 12:25:08 ~ping Jul 16 12:25:08 ~pong Jul 16 12:30:36 Has anyone here replaced a keymat? If yes, how was the quality of the new one? Jul 16 12:31:24 I know Dibblah has - sort-of. Jul 16 12:31:27 But he's away. Jul 16 12:31:32 And he diddn't really replace it. Jul 16 12:32:11 He took his out, carefully ironed it flat after the monkey in the repair centre that last fixed it mis-re-installed it with wrinkles!!! and put it back. Jul 16 12:33:43 LOL, they don't even repair phones properly?! Amazing... Jul 16 12:37:12 http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/escapingsection.html 5.3 is epic Jul 16 12:37:44 I did Jul 16 12:37:48 RiD: Jul 16 12:37:52 it's simple Jul 16 12:39:31 loosen 2 screws, carefully lift and pull out the keymat frame, swap keymat, insert latches of frame at upper end, then close and screw in the two torx again Jul 16 12:40:39 SpeedEvil: I thing dibblah ironed the domesheet Jul 16 12:40:44 not the keymat Jul 16 12:40:49 think* Jul 16 12:40:50 err Jul 16 12:40:52 yes Jul 16 12:42:32 bah, if I can find out these connui functions, I can have a first pass at Cell Broadcast SMS ready in a couple hours tops. But I am stuck :( Jul 16 12:52:33 jonwil: maemo is carefully crafted so you finally always run into deadends when doing such ambitioned (word?) stuff. It's for sure a fight and a battle to win, to get it done nevertheless Jul 16 12:54:48 The #1 problem seems to be that there is a total lack of guys in the reverse engineering community that know ARM linux Jul 16 12:54:58 :P Jul 16 12:55:18 apart from qwerty12 whom left ages ago ;) Jul 16 12:55:40 he wrote stuff like fmtxd Jul 16 12:56:08 ...with over $14 billion in sales in 2008, antipsychotics have become the single top-selling therapeutic class of prescription drugs in the U.S., surpassing drugs used to treat high cholesterol and acid reflux... Jul 16 12:56:28 Ambitious, Doc Jul 16 12:56:52 well Cornelius Hald created libhildon-extras1-time-zone-chooser-dev so someone out there knows something about this stuff... Jul 16 12:58:18 He is probably some relative of hald daemon and this has inside info Jul 16 12:58:24 s/this/thus Jul 16 13:11:47 RST38h: thanks Jul 16 13:11:58 dizzy today Jul 16 13:22:13 wow, who fscked Freenode? Jul 16 13:24:08 Doc: Seen an interview by our dear friend Lennart? Jul 16 13:24:46 Doc: Here, enjoy: http://linuxfr.org/nodes/86687/comments/1249943 Jul 16 13:25:27 Looks like he has bestowed another wonderful project on us (+ read him calling BSD a toy =)) Jul 16 13:34:50 anyone heard of a Faheem Pervez? Jul 16 13:35:56 he's qwerty12 Jul 16 13:36:18 ok, thats the guy listed in the hildon-time-zone-chooser header file Jul 16 13:36:26 so presumably he was the one that reverse engineered the thing Jul 16 13:37:18 jonwil, yep Jul 16 13:37:36 jonwil, he did ragequit the community a bit more than a year ago Jul 16 13:37:48 damn Jul 16 13:38:36 There goes all hope of finding anyone in the community with any interest in figuring out how the closed source bits work or how to call them :P Jul 16 13:38:42 well interest/skills :P Jul 16 13:42:46 May as well give up on CBSMS then if I cant crack this damn library :( Jul 16 13:49:13 So far the only changes to my info post have been some people fixing typos :P Jul 16 14:00:19 DocScrutinizer: about earlier discussion about battery temp: I think 85 is rather hot for a CPU too, but I'm not sure whats the "normal" temp for an ARM A8. but most gpu's and desktop cpus dies around 100 Jul 16 14:00:22 Interest, no skills alas Jul 16 14:00:35 * arvut goes away again Jul 16 14:00:35 arvut: There is no CPU temperature meter that works at all. Jul 16 14:00:49 arvut: The only temperature measury thingy is near the battery connectors Jul 16 14:01:14 I know, but doc mentioned that 85 would be a possible cpu temp when we discussed bat. temp. Jul 16 14:01:46 right, and that temp said 85 when I were sitting in the sun. Jul 16 14:02:28 degrees C I would assume, as fahrenheit and kelvin would be too low Jul 16 14:03:00 sure, 85f wold be nice. not sure how nice 85k would be tho :P Jul 16 14:03:02 Sounds possible Jul 16 14:03:18 I would ahve thought it would have shyt down by then Jul 16 14:03:24 I think my max is 65C Jul 16 14:03:30 arvut: it's a mostly meaningless bit of info. About CPU: the standard OMAP is specified to 95°C, the MIL(?) variant to 105° Jul 16 14:03:31 yeah, took it indoors instead. sysload is around 1.5 on all 3 Jul 16 14:03:52 MIL? Jul 16 14:04:21 military spec Jul 16 14:04:21 thought this phone had a amr a8 cortex Jul 16 14:04:25 aha Jul 16 14:04:27 look 2nd link: Jul 16 14:04:31 ~omap-oc Jul 16 14:04:32 extra, extra, read all about it, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 Jul 16 14:05:23 why? arm a8 isnt omap is it? Jul 16 14:05:35 is it relevant info? Jul 16 14:05:52 57C actually Jul 16 14:06:00 ?? Jul 16 14:07:02 mine is 59c now Jul 16 14:07:07 indoors ftw :) Jul 16 14:07:47 omap I think is a set of specific instructions that TI included Jul 16 14:08:06 aha Jul 16 14:09:13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_OMAP Jul 16 14:13:43 I'd like to see a burning N900, just not my N900 Jul 16 14:17:42 some people are talking about a "portrait homescreen" in the cssu. Where do I enable such a thing? Jul 16 14:17:48 I have the cssu installed. Jul 16 14:19:33 I think they mean just the menu.. Jul 16 14:21:37 menu and some apps have portrait capability Jul 16 14:22:21 Shapeshifter: most likely just the menu. But there was an old python script somewhere that forced everything to rotate, even the homescreen. Of course, the widgets and the stuff wasn't correctly placed when rotated to portrait Jul 16 14:22:41 though I did see `portrait homescreen' after ending a phonecall, it was only for a brief moment before the homescreen was rotated back into landscape mode Jul 16 14:25:19 I don't get the big hype around portrait mode, when I bought my N900 I knew that I hadn't any portrait mode and I would live without it. Despite that portrait mode can be usefull in some applications (such as tetris, lol) Jul 16 14:26:46 I think portrait really makes N900 users think that other people may confuse them as owning an iphone ;) Jul 16 14:27:25 LOL, all we need is a pinky theme to match iPhone's look and cut the keyboard of the n900 Jul 16 14:27:48 but no otherwise portrait has other uses such as conversations and what not could be benefitted in portrait mode Jul 16 14:28:15 yup N9 will be just that, if they'll deliver it in pink ;) Jul 16 14:29:11 I don't really need portrait mode but there are moments where I really can only use one hand and navigation can be awkward in those moments Jul 16 14:29:20 I do like the N9's look and interface idea. It's something different, not like Androids where almost every of them have the same UI, except HTC and some Sony Ericsson Jul 16 14:30:05 same UI = iOS was hardly different in terms of that comparison :) Jul 16 14:31:09 Yes, Android copied iOS looks, and now iOS 5 has the Top bar thing from Android, give them one more year and they'll have the exact same UI Jul 16 14:32:09 I'm sure Apple won't give up slapping them with lawsuits, afterall they're bar none versus Oracle themselves Jul 16 14:32:36 patent this, patent that.. hey you dare copy my idea? I sue! Jul 16 14:32:54 well, you can all look forward to some metro ui, amirite Jul 16 14:33:11 No thanks, metro UI isn't for me. It might be good for other people Jul 16 14:33:12 metro UI? never heard Jul 16 14:33:18 It's WP7 ui Jul 16 14:33:22 ew Jul 16 14:33:25 tiling? Jul 16 14:34:14 apparently the videos of N950 with harmattan had one small footage of that metro UI lookalike in swype UI Jul 16 14:34:33 er I mean tiles Jul 16 14:38:22 Anyways I'm charging my n900 to flash it later. Hope everything turns fine, if not, i'm screwed Jul 16 14:38:28 what do they do to make phones thinner? except saving energy and using smaller batteries Jul 16 14:39:15 make them shapeshift ;) Jul 16 14:40:48 Shapeshifter: they remove components. Such as the cpu, etc. And you end up with a... plastic toy Jul 16 14:42:34 Shapeshifter: Redesigning the structure to be stiffer, and removing extraneous parts. Jul 16 14:44:00 switching to smaller connectors and sims etc. Jul 16 14:44:06 n900 is thick because the camera is on top of the mainboard, if they could have designed a hole or side-by-side it would be thiner .. also the slideout mechanic and the touchscreen add extra thicknes Jul 16 14:44:41 oled is thinner than lcd Jul 16 14:45:09 RiD_: flashed? Jul 16 14:45:14 physical keyboard and slide mechanism make phone a lot thicker Jul 16 14:45:17 cehteh: Nope, charging battery Jul 16 14:45:45 and be right back, changing my name to RiD. (without the _ lol) Jul 16 14:46:05 honestly I couldn't care less about the 3mm less on N950 vs N900 Jul 16 14:46:13 OLED isn't inherantly thinner than LCE Jul 16 14:46:16 LCD Jul 16 14:46:47 well theoretically it can be .. same for epaper Jul 16 14:46:59 * jonwil wishes vendors would start making a wider range of handsets with physical keyboard Jul 16 14:47:09 Next Google Nexus phone should have physical keyboard IMO Jul 16 14:47:14 OLED needs way tighter sealing Jul 16 14:47:15 cehteh: I did installed the stock kernel to see if there was any different, but it still doesn't get past C2 state. So I'll be completely flashing it today. If it doesn't fix it, i'm screwed and i'll have to live with 5 spare batteries per day Jul 16 14:47:20 and with newer technology which can integrate the touchscreen on the same substrate glass/plastic as the display Jul 16 14:47:23 Eeeewww Android Jul 16 14:47:53 cehteh: you can do that with LCD too Jul 16 14:48:21 I have never owned handset without physical keyboard Jul 16 14:48:25 and have no plans to start now Jul 16 14:48:37 they also going to use extremely thin glass as substrate 0.2mm or so .. then you add some gorilla glas as front and you are below 1.5mm for the display Jul 16 14:48:41 jonwil: ++ Jul 16 14:49:11 well i would consider a external BT keyboard on the next device Jul 16 14:49:52 which is BS as you have two batteries to maintain, two power buttons, whatnot Jul 16 14:49:53 are there small but useable bt keyboards? (almost same footprint as the n900) .. certainly somewhere Jul 16 14:50:26 doesnt matter much with good power saving the keyboard battery would last months Jul 16 14:50:35 mhm Jul 16 14:50:54 maybe you're right, maybe not Jul 16 14:51:06 A BT keyboard is too hard to use when you are sitting on a bus Jul 16 14:51:11 or waiting for a bus Jul 16 14:51:19 my BT mouse battery lasts quite long Jul 16 14:51:19 or otherwise sitting somewhere with no flat surface to put things on Jul 16 14:51:20 my BT headset is dead after some 20h of on-time without using it Jul 16 14:52:43 jonwil: indeed, a kbd not mounted tightly to "the screen" is useless most of the time Jul 16 14:52:44 keyboads dont need to maintain a laser and send hundreds of updates a second only keycodes are send, and need only to wake the embedded processor if actually a key is pressed Jul 16 14:53:22 headset doesn't even do that Jul 16 14:53:25 my old wireless keyboard which i use very rarely but is permanently on has batteries which last since 5 years or so now (not BT) Jul 16 14:53:53 that shows how efficent one can design such things Jul 16 14:54:16 BT eats a bit more .. i guess there is some keepalive/pinging/beacon going on Jul 16 14:54:30 there's a new BT-lowPower spec that's not yet widely supported but shows there *are* issues with normal BT Jul 16 14:55:01 well my mouse is permanently on and connected to my laptop and the battery lasts about 2 months Jul 16 14:55:06 single AA cell Jul 16 14:55:27 so i think battery isnt really a concern with external keyboard Jul 16 14:55:51 BT mice support very low powers Jul 16 14:56:04 they do it by turnig off when they detect no motion Jul 16 14:56:14 and then waking on button Jul 16 14:56:21 hah, there are two points: a) your laptop has "infinite" power so the RX can take a lot of the load to relieve TX. b) your mouse only activates when moved Jul 16 14:56:25 well ... they have constantly check for movement, even in low power mode where it takes some milliseconds to wake up Jul 16 14:56:39 cehteh: no they don't Jul 16 14:56:51 biggest problem with earpieces is, tha you look like some crazy person talking to yourself. Jul 16 14:56:52 sure how would it detect movement then? Jul 16 14:56:58 or like some business prick Jul 16 14:56:59 cehteh: If you happen to have a visible light one, you see this. Jul 16 14:57:10 laser one Jul 16 14:57:11 cehteh: mechanically Jul 16 14:57:12 cehteh: In motion, it's bright. Jul 16 14:57:22 DocScrutinizer: huh? Jul 16 14:57:28 accelerometer to wake? Jul 16 14:57:35 yup Jul 16 14:57:50 cehteh: After 5 seconds or so, it goes from full brightness to a low power mode where it checks every 10ms Jul 16 14:58:00 Shapeshift: imagine a 14 year old using an earpiece Jul 16 14:58:06 cehteh: then it goes to every 100ms for a few mins, and then button-wake Jul 16 14:58:06 i should check that .. put the mouse stationary over a surface i can drag Jul 16 14:58:18 cehteh: Done right, it's not perceptible Jul 16 14:58:32 cehteh: as you usually joggle the mouse slightly when you put your hand on it Jul 16 14:58:40 I have to literally kick my mouse when it gone suspend Jul 16 14:58:45 SpeedEvil: its always full brigthness .. but pulsed, after some time they just query it on a lower rate with more idle time inetween Jul 16 14:58:53 cehteh: indeed Jul 16 14:58:57 I was simplifying Jul 16 14:59:53 DocScrutinizer: me too but i was always thinking thats because there is some software not to fully wake it on small movements to save more power, only come up fully for continous movement Jul 16 15:00:06 RiD: must be a dealer Jul 16 15:00:22 Shapeshifter: no, it's me Jul 16 15:00:48 DocScrutinizer: i am setting up a test-rig to verify your claims :P Jul 16 15:01:13 RiD: you're a dealer? Jul 16 15:02:27 Shapeshifter: No, but i'm 14 and I'm clean, I guess... Jul 16 15:02:45 mhm is there some 'lsbt' to monitor whats going on on the bt interface? Jul 16 15:04:13 RiD: why are you using an earpiece? Jul 16 15:05:09 DocScrutinizer: :P http://imgur.com/5Axyz Jul 16 15:05:37 now, how long to wait? :) Jul 16 15:05:42 Shapeshifter: Last year i had many people calling me, and it was annoying to grab the n900 out of the pocket everytime Jul 16 15:07:34 RiD: ++ for that =) Jul 16 15:08:43 Shapeshifter: I kind of was organizing an event with my friends, and once i almost let the n900 felt (it never felt, luckily) while trying to answer the call. It almost gave me an heart attack, so I decided to play safe Jul 16 15:08:45 DocScrutinizer: http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Wireless-Keyboard-Computers-Included/dp/B0044IGBOI Jul 16 15:09:14 .. now i like that iphones have no keyboard .. else no one would produce those :P Jul 16 15:11:46 mhm ok i test the mouse thing when i leave .. doesnt go that fast into sleep Jul 16 15:12:17 arvut: i don't use it anymore, I barely recieve a call nowadays. Thanks god for that, because people on the street always looked at me with weird faces, like if I was a paranoid. It wasn't exactly amusing Jul 16 15:12:42 lol Jul 16 15:12:59 i've mountes my n900 on my bike handlebar Jul 16 15:13:34 and then called my wife while biking, people looked strange then too Jul 16 15:14:43 I don't have balls for that, what if it suddenly falls Jul 16 15:15:21 must not :) Jul 16 15:16:12 well i have the otterbox meanwhile, and before that i made my own case, both protect it quite well Jul 16 15:16:41 once it sliped out of my pocket and crashed on the street while biking Jul 16 15:16:54 good that i had the case, no dent, no scratch Jul 16 15:17:19 so pocket is more dangerous than handlebar Jul 16 15:17:36 I also have a case for it and always use it. After all an N900 isn't cheap, and now it's not so easy to find a brand new one Jul 16 15:18:30 well and the build quality is reasonable good, it survives a lot misuse .. sans the USB connector problem :P Jul 16 15:19:05 I'm also a bit freaky about the USB, mine already "balances" a bit Jul 16 15:19:26 * ruskie knocks on wood... no usb issues yet Jul 16 15:19:46 if your warranty is expired you may consider to fix it (or give a shit about warranty and do it now) Jul 16 15:20:05 if it comes loose then its often too late when the pads and traces get ripped off Jul 16 15:20:31 here neither but as soon the warranty period is over i will enforce it Jul 16 15:21:47 It's not exactly loose here, and I hope it won't fail. I better not try to fix it, I would end up with a burned N900 Jul 16 15:22:19 After loosing one N900 to a busted USB, I am VERY careful about mine Jul 16 15:22:24 to ensure it doesn't get damaged Jul 16 15:22:31 hi.. after enabling haze(msn) on my N900's chat app i'm missing many facebook avatars in my contacts list Jul 16 15:22:39 is there a way to fix that? Jul 16 15:23:14 jonwil: after I found out it could happen I always care about it.. Jul 16 15:29:54 ah Jul 16 15:30:00 Oops, wrong page Jul 16 15:57:46 cehteh: how do you fix it if it's not lose? Jul 16 15:58:01 cehteh: simply apply superglue to hold the port in place without fixing the connector? Jul 16 15:58:09 no soldering Jul 16 15:58:20 (the sides against the groundplanes) Jul 16 15:58:26 superglue wont work Jul 16 15:58:55 i am considering to drill small holes beneath the port and then use epoxy and kevlar to fix it Jul 16 15:59:13 but i have no idea if there are traces yet so that may be dangerous Jul 16 15:59:32 cehteh: so maybe it's not wrong to do this preemtively even if the port seems fine? Jul 16 15:59:36 maybe the soldering is enough Jul 16 15:59:48 yes, but it voids warranty Jul 16 16:00:02 there is a pic somewhere on tmo Jul 16 16:00:08 dont try with superglue Jul 16 16:00:09 meh. I have 2 and the first has no warranty anymore Jul 16 16:00:34 it will nit glue to the soldering mask and not well to the casing too Jul 16 16:00:43 but it will suck into the connector and damage it Jul 16 16:01:58 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 Jul 16 16:03:24 you live in 1 year warranty land? :) Jul 16 16:16:42 cehteh: he lives on planet earth Jul 16 16:16:48 nokia is not repairing N900s anymore Jul 16 16:17:15 i know but there is still some warranty period by law Jul 16 16:17:30 so they have to compensate the customer *somehow* Jul 16 16:18:11 do NOT use glue on USB receptacle! it's useless and causes lots of mess and problems. Use proper soldering! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 Jul 16 16:18:12 sure, with something that's not *comparable* with the n900 Jul 16 16:18:15 actually they have to repair if possible Jul 16 16:18:21 they give you a N8 Jul 16 16:18:31 which is worse than a n900 except for the marketing Jul 16 16:18:38 n8 isnt a substitute for me Jul 16 16:18:43 i wont accept that Jul 16 16:19:06 you're SOL then :) Jul 16 16:19:10