**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 17 02:59:57 2011 Jul 17 03:00:12 I'm pretty sure it's the case. Jul 17 03:00:34 I've compiled a copy of 'monitor' intending to use te N900 as a security device, and it works fine - for one cam at a time. Jul 17 03:00:46 Whichever one I try to open second, with the first still open, fails. Jul 17 03:08:51 is there any way to get the power comsumption of a specific device Jul 17 03:09:03 like wifi, or bluetoothe in maemo 5? Jul 17 03:11:50 maybe through using batteryeye, batterygraph or something similar along those lines. powertop might also help Jul 17 03:16:44 those monitor the whole battery power only. Jul 17 03:26:41 indeed, though if you ran it without enabling wifi, bluetooth, GPS, cell, iR, etc, etc, etc wouldn't you get the nominal set of power consumption to base the figures on for deducting when running any of those other chips? Jul 17 03:34:00 any maemo gurus up? Jul 17 03:34:36 wonder if i can move rootfs to emmc without using the mess that is symlinks Jul 17 03:46:33 sup Hurrian Jul 17 03:52:18 ohai MAG Jul 17 03:52:55 hmm, i wonder if a custom kernel file can have root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 Jul 17 03:54:15 and mtdswap on mtd5 Jul 17 03:54:23 that's some real fast swap Jul 17 03:54:42 yes, and of course, Maemo 5 will break Jul 17 03:56:11 D: Jul 17 03:56:26 is anything hardcoded to use mtd5? Jul 17 03:56:29 i dont think so Jul 17 03:56:46 I wouldn't be surprised Jul 17 03:56:46 iirc the cruft in M5 is only hardcoded to use mmcblk0p1 Jul 17 03:57:08 yeah, and mmcblk0p3, right Jul 17 03:57:12 hmm Jul 17 03:57:37 if we shrink mmcblk0p1 and make mmcblk0p2 larger, we'll have no problemoz Jul 17 03:57:55 only problem would be booting mmcblk0p2 without touching mtd5 Jul 17 03:58:03 that's what i hate about the move script Jul 17 03:58:19 oh, and we can shrink mmcblk0p3 to 512MB Jul 17 03:58:25 768 is ridiculous Jul 17 03:58:25 wait wait wait Jul 17 03:58:42 mmcblk0p2 is /home Jul 17 03:58:48 where do you plan on putting that? Jul 17 03:59:18 MohammadAG -- / Jul 17 03:59:23 oops Jul 17 03:59:33 we'll need to either rebuild every single thing Jul 17 03:59:39 or make mmcblk0p4 rootfs Jul 17 03:59:47 imho, swapping rootfs and swap sounds saner Jul 17 03:59:49 i'm going for the second option Jul 17 04:00:26 mmcblk0p1 MyDocs p2 /home p3 swap p4 / mtd5 mtdswap Jul 17 04:00:43 ...and we don't break anything except for the booting Jul 17 04:00:56 oh, reminds me, we need to get rid of genfstab Jul 17 04:01:03 because we wont need it Jul 17 04:01:41 sdcard can be autodetected and mounted via HAL, i guess Jul 17 04:01:52 or was it dbus Jul 17 04:01:54 or udev Jul 17 04:01:55 anyways Jul 17 04:02:30 wait, why do we need to make mmcblk0p4? Jul 17 04:02:58 does anything actually manually remount p2 and be anal as to whether it just has home files? Jul 17 04:04:07 home/crapp-app should be THE path that it uses, and filesystems wont matter Jul 17 04:04:48 just swap mtd5 and mmcblk0p3 Jul 17 04:05:44 sooner or later, people are going to ask for more space on root Jul 17 04:05:56 also, a lot of scripts on TMO think p3 is swap Jul 17 04:06:09 their fault Jul 17 04:06:12 i dont think mkswap'ing rootfs would be good Jul 17 04:06:23 people should really use sfdisk + grep Jul 17 04:07:10 mmcblk0p2 is universally recognized as a "system apps" partition, might as well dump it there Jul 17 04:07:17 sudo blkid | grep swap | awk '{print $1}' | sed 's/://g' Jul 17 04:07:35 swap=sudo blkid | grep swap | awk '{print $1}' | sed 's/://g' then use $swap, rather than hardcoding Jul 17 04:09:22 MAG , every script will need a good comb-over Jul 17 04:10:07 why not make /home and / the same, everything that calls a file in /home will get the file Jul 17 04:10:10 no muss no fuss Jul 17 04:10:11 again, not your problem Jul 17 04:11:04 oh well, back to the original problem, no one knows how to make the kernel flashed in mtd device boot the mmcroot directly Jul 17 04:11:15 we /could/ use a hacked up uboot Jul 17 04:11:31 or we could figure out how to use initfs Jul 17 04:11:55 umm why? Jul 17 04:12:15 what's wrong with using root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 Jul 17 04:12:32 does nolo read that? Jul 17 04:12:51 NOLO just boots up the kernel Jul 17 04:13:01 ah Jul 17 04:13:14 it'd be great if we could simply pass the parameter Jul 17 04:13:29 I'm sure it'll work Jul 17 04:13:59 use flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l --boot="custom cmdline" to test it Jul 17 04:14:40 that's nice Jul 17 04:15:21 sadly, mtdswap only went mainline very recently Jul 17 04:15:48 weirdly enough, mtdswap was added into mainline by a Nokian Jul 17 04:18:27 mtdswap is on the N9 Jul 17 04:18:31 on 2.6.32 Jul 17 04:20:05 well, we're talking about the N900 Jul 17 04:20:13 and swapping on mtd doesnt seem too bad Jul 17 04:20:36 sure, you'll damage the flash Jul 17 04:20:57 but as long as other PEBs arent touched, it's all good Jul 17 04:21:15 and most of all, OneNAND R/W is blazing fast Jul 17 04:51:01 hello everybody i have a problem about easy debain ,when i goto debian chroot,and execute command:apt-get update,and apt-get upgrade .when download upgrade package to replace old package,my n900 reboot,then i can't open debain LXDE,so i must download imageing again! Jul 17 04:52:02 everyone had same problem Jul 17 05:04:40 psychologe, enable sid repository Jul 17 05:04:47 disable lenny repos Jul 17 05:04:51 then upgrade Jul 17 05:06:17 uhh Jul 17 05:06:20 dist-upgrade Jul 17 05:25:04 yes i enable all repos Jul 17 05:26:37 disable lenny repos,i will try it ,thanks very much Jul 17 06:12:43 Changes to Linux 3.0 code: Redhat:1000, Intel:839, Microsoft:361, independent open source developers:1085 Jul 17 06:13:11 rst38h, look up what the changes actually are Jul 17 06:13:21 they're support for microsoft's shitty hyper-v Jul 17 06:13:28 Hurrian: yea, but given the number of patches it is somewhat difficult Jul 17 06:13:29 Yea Jul 17 06:13:31 Ahhahaha Jul 17 06:14:01 i actually tried to use Hyper-V as a replacement for triple booting Jul 17 06:14:02 Next time someone tells you that Linux is the result of independent developers' selfless labor though, point them to these stats. Jul 17 06:14:26 even WINDOWS doesn't have hardware direct X acceleration Jul 17 06:14:31 what the fuuuuuuuuuuu------- Jul 17 06:14:47 not to mention it screws over host performance Jul 17 06:15:11 Ah, screw the HyperV and virtualization in general. Jul 17 06:15:20 RST38h: The fact that "independent" developers still outnumber any single vendor is actually impressive. Jul 17 06:16:05 derf: not the developers, the number of patches Jul 17 06:16:18 derf: So, I would take these numbers with a grain of salt anyway Jul 17 06:16:20 Well, developers weighted by contributions, I meant. Jul 17 06:16:25 Ah Jul 17 06:16:34 ah crap, i forgot to separate EXT4's journal Jul 17 06:16:40 Intel actually won by lines changed this release. Jul 17 06:16:41 Also: does that statistic differentiate between when someone is sending it in as apart of their job and when they are sending it in independently but from a work email. Probably not Jul 17 06:16:53 derf: They merged in the Meego? :) Jul 17 06:16:59 somebody should run the changes by LOC Jul 17 06:17:14 changes mean jack if it's all: change tabs to spaces Jul 17 06:17:33 And the exact same thing is true the other way around, the statistic doesn't show when someone who is doing it for their job but contributes it under a non-work email address Jul 17 06:17:47 * RST38h doubts those MS or Redhat engineers were changing tabs to space Jul 17 06:18:13 But, as Jonathan Corbet says, "The percentage of changes from hobbyists continues to drop; whether that's a bad thing (the kernel is becoming increasingly unapproachable to volunteer developers) or a good thing (it's impossible for anybody who can hack the kernel to remain unemployed) is still not clear." Jul 17 06:18:16 Plus, 86.73% of statistics are made up Jul 17 06:19:06 who cares if changes drop, we need quality code, not 1000+ more drivers in staging Jul 17 06:19:33 Hurrian: Vendors tend to work on drivers for their hardware. Jul 17 06:19:42 So that would be the opposite of what you're asking for. Jul 17 06:20:50 I.e., a big hunk of Intel's LOC changed was getting the iio driver merged. Jul 17 06:20:55 * RST38h would say linuxoids need a driver ABI first of all Jul 17 06:21:11 But it looks like this goes against their open source dogma Jul 17 06:21:16 They don't think they need one. Jul 17 06:21:43 And they've done pretty well with their open-source dogma so far. Jul 17 06:22:14 Really, I can't think of a closed-source Linux driver that _wasn't_ a pile of shit. Jul 17 06:22:18 mmm...dunno. been there, it is a mess. Jul 17 06:22:34 derf: lack of cleanly defined ABI is one ofthe reasons Jul 17 06:22:53 RST38h, I've set my laser from stun, to kill. Jul 17 06:23:04 derf: so, just hoping some arrogant Redhat fuck adds the driver ABI one day Jul 17 06:23:23 RST38h just went OS X Jul 17 06:23:29 ahhaha Jul 17 06:24:08 have you accepted Steve Jobs as your Savior then? Jul 17 06:24:24 Heil Jobs Jul 17 06:25:21 RST38h: Still, the lack of a driver ABI _helps_ the open-source drivers. Jul 17 06:25:37 It means people have to look at that code when the ABI changes, which means more eyes to spot bugs. Jul 17 06:25:42 maybe it does, bad for the users though Jul 17 06:26:14 I don't believe that. Jul 17 06:26:22 Code that hasn't been reviewed is terrible code. Jul 17 06:26:31 Code that was written on a deadline is terrible code. Jul 17 06:26:33 terrible code is better than no code Jul 17 06:26:46 For a driver? Jul 17 06:26:49 yes Jul 17 06:26:52 You just buy a different piece of hardware. Jul 17 06:27:03 not if you have got a laptop Jul 17 06:27:14 You buy a different laptop. Jul 17 06:27:24 There's not much out there for which there isn't a nearly identical substitute. Jul 17 06:27:52 * RST38h feels there is something wrong with the "buy a different laptop" suggestion Jul 17 06:28:18 RST38h, I always knew you would be the first lollygagging degenerate to fall out of the godly Linux ranks. I am disappoint. But you can save yourself through generous donations to the Free Software Foundation Jul 17 06:28:32 :p Jul 17 06:29:18 RST38h: Seriously... I have unusual tastes in laptops, and I've never failed to find out that did what I wanted (as much as that was possible) and _also_ supported Linux. Jul 17 06:29:34 Termana: never been in the ranks really Jul 17 06:29:44 Termana: Historically, I have been using FreeBSD. Jul 17 06:29:51 In fact, I'm curious which laptop you have in mind that doesn't support Linux. Jul 17 06:29:58 A-HA! I KNEW IT Jul 17 06:30:03 traitor from the inside! Jul 17 06:30:15 high treason on the poop deck sire! Jul 17 06:30:36 Linux works though, but I can't stop thinking of it as a toy (even though the current incarnationis fairly usable) Jul 17 06:30:40 Hi. I wonder to know if rtl8781 is supported by power kernel 47 or I have to compile it in the scratchbox? Jul 17 06:30:55 derf: Anything with powerVR Jul 17 06:31:04 derf: Anything from Sony, I am sure Jul 17 06:31:19 RST38h, if Linux is a toy, what does the make FreeBSD? What particularly makes FreeBSD any better? Jul 17 06:31:31 They make laptops with powerVR chips in them? Jul 17 06:31:47 I would argue that FreeBSD has a WORSE driver situation. Jul 17 06:31:50 derf: I've never heard of them... Jul 17 06:31:57 robbiethe1st: Me either. Jul 17 06:31:57 that make* Jul 17 06:31:58 I've only seen Intel, AMD and Nvidia chips Jul 17 06:32:04 Termana: BSD is being written by aging bearded guys who know how things SOULD work =) Jul 17 06:32:17 http://www.linux-laptop.net/sony.html would suggest that Sony works to at least some degree. Jul 17 06:32:27 Oh wait. One Intel chip is actually a PowerVR Jul 17 06:32:33 Intel 500 I think it is... Jul 17 06:32:34 Termana: Linux is being written by redeyed geeks who just-want-to-ave-fun Jul 17 06:32:41 * RST38h hehes evilly Jul 17 06:32:54 GMA500 is Intel's name for PowerVR Jul 17 06:33:04 it is used in netbook Atom chips Jul 17 06:33:18 derf: Always "some degree" with Sony =( Jul 17 06:33:42 "Ubuntu supports GMA500 (Poulsbo) through the ubuntu-mobile and gma500 repositories on Launchpad. Support is present for 8.04, 8.10, 9.04, 9.10 and in an experimental way for 10.04 and 10.10, but the installation procedure is not as simple as other drivers and can lead to many bugs." Jul 17 06:33:45 derf: On the other hand, I am not buying Sony, so unless my wife suddenly wants a Linux install... Jul 17 06:34:12 RST38h, but... but... but... Linux has Linus, who waddles and talks like a penguin! And Greg, who I have a whole funny head, mouth and voice impersonation for. Jul 17 06:34:14 On the other hand, I am exactly like Theo De Raadt from OpenBSD. Jul 17 06:34:16 derf: Yes, they are putting it in such a polite way :) Jul 17 06:34:20 An arsehole, all the time. Jul 17 06:34:22 :p Jul 17 06:34:30 I've never bought Sony, either, but usually because they didn't sell what I wanted or at the right price, not because of anything to do with Linux. Jul 17 06:35:03 Termana: Hey, Linux has got Lennart! =) Jul 17 06:35:20 :P Jul 17 06:35:38 Termana: And Hans Reiser too! Jul 17 06:35:48 I don't think we have him anymore. Jul 17 06:36:00 no, no, you won't be able to disown him =) Jul 17 06:36:00 The California Department of Corrections has him. Jul 17 06:36:00 RST38h, hey, I'm not a murderer. I just said arsehole :p Jul 17 06:36:05 lol Jul 17 06:36:13 he is on loan to SDC Jul 17 06:36:34 Termana: He has been both, as far as I reckon Jul 17 06:36:35 permanent loan to anyone else. They can keep him. Jul 17 06:36:49 CDC, sorry Jul 17 06:37:03 So there you have it folks. That's why Theo De Raadt doesn't work on Linux Jul 17 06:37:11 It'll turn him into a murderer Jul 17 06:37:47 * RST38h uses this quiet moment to ask the Tentacled One about punishing Steve Jobs with hemorrhoids for the island keyboards he introduced Jul 17 06:38:03 Termana: Good point. Jul 17 06:38:14 Technically CDCR. Jul 17 06:38:22 "and Rehabilitation". Jul 17 06:38:41 * RST38h wonders how rehabilitation would be defined in the case of Hans Reiser Jul 17 06:39:07 He recovered successfully from the beatings the other inmates gave him? Jul 17 06:39:18 So... who do you think would win in a death match out of Hans Reiser, Theo working on Linux and Lennart? Jul 17 06:39:29 All I can say about Linux is that after using it, I *cannot* go back to windows. Not XP, and not W7. they just feel "sluggish", even on the fastest quad-core processors. Jul 17 06:39:47 robbie: Works for me. Jul 17 06:39:52 * RST38h switches back and forth easily Jul 17 06:40:20 derf: No, there should be a catharsis of sorts! Jul 17 06:40:23 Especially for things like USB Mass Storage stuff, which wouldn't let me view directories on my flash drive during a file-copy operation. OSX and linux both have no issues. Jul 17 06:42:50 Nobody using QNX? Strange! Jul 17 06:42:58 Thing is, I'm one of those people who disables/speeds up most transitions because they're too slow: anything over about 200ms feels sluggish. I also tend to max out anything less than a hefty dual-core in normal operation, simply by doing too many things at once... Jul 17 06:43:55 RST38h, anyone with a Blackberry PlayBook? (did they even end up releasing that thing?) Jul 17 06:45:29 yes, the news say they have Jul 17 06:45:37 never seen one though Jul 17 06:46:10 Ooh, nice! 340 BackupMenu 1.1 installs since I released it last night. Jul 17 07:03:49 @RST38h , still using proprietary *nixes in 2011? strange! Jul 17 07:20:01 Hi all. is there anybody to help me? Jul 17 07:21:08 I think power kernel v47 has the modules for the rtl8187 but I dont know the names for modules to insmod/modprobe them. Jul 17 07:22:18 Can you tell me what to insmod or should I compile the modules myself for v47? Jul 17 07:55:49 \0/ robbiethe1st for BM. /me will upgrade soon Jul 17 07:58:14 Always a good thing Jul 17 08:14:52 hey, can somebody help me? I really need to reflash my N900 with both images (emmc first), but he keeps telling me: "Error APE-Algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages". I'm using Windows 7 Jul 17 08:17:44 has anybody seen this error before? Jul 17 08:23:16 hey, can somebody help me? I really need to reflash my N900 with both images (emmc first), but he keeps telling me: "Error APE-Algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages". I'm using Windows 7 Jul 17 08:23:45 No clue. ask on the forums Jul 17 08:24:13 thanks Jul 17 08:33:16 RST38h: qnx? Jul 17 09:31:06 hello. Jul 17 09:31:56 I'm struggling to install the meego SDK. I've got the N950 and I can't develop (!@##$@) Jul 17 09:31:59 any help ? Jul 17 09:32:14 /join #harmattan Jul 17 09:32:18 thnks Jul 17 09:59:38 anybody using Sygic maps? Jul 17 10:00:13 I cant find it in Ovi store anymore. Was wondering if there is any .install file? Jul 17 10:01:33 trumee I tried to find it a while ago...I guess they don't sell it anymore for N900 Jul 17 10:01:51 didn't try asking them though Jul 17 10:02:40 joga: i have a licensed copy from them which i bought from them sometime ago. I want to install it again Jul 17 10:04:09 trumee, oh...then I suppose it's best to contact them Jul 17 11:47:33 how to flash N900 on linux ? Jul 17 11:48:23 Evanescence: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware :) Jul 17 11:49:28 RiD: I have readed that wiki. But can not find commands for linux. only one on wiki. different with youtube video. but I can not see clearly on video. that font is too small. Jul 17 11:50:49 there's actually more than one command on the same wiki page Jul 17 11:51:50 I flashed my phone yesterday on Ubuntu following the instructions of that wiki. Take a look on the Linux section Jul 17 11:53:19 ok Jul 17 12:10:38 flashing eMMC will clear MyDocs ? Did I need to flash eMMC if my N900 can not startup ? BTW, what is stored in MyDoc ? Jul 17 12:12:06 1) yes flashing eMMC will clear MyDocs and anything in /home/user, 2) It depends, first flash fiasco before flashing both, 3) User stuff, like photos, music, etc Jul 17 12:16:35 MohammadAG: yo dog Jul 17 12:16:54 psycho_oreos: so three steps: flashing fiasco -> eMMc -> firmware ? and is there some configurations or settings in MyDoc ? just like ubuntu, If I want to keep using old Home. I should keep it, not format it ? Jul 17 12:17:18 MohammadAG: i dont know if you still maintain the phone-control script but i have found a bug Jul 17 12:17:54 MohammadAG: the 'resume' coomand Jul 17 12:18:07 Evanescence, I'd flash fiasco first if I　have anything useful in MyDocs, if you are unsure just flash fiasco first. If that fails or if you have nothhing to lose then you flash eMMC and fiasco Jul 17 12:18:32 does anyone here use xen and gentoo Jul 17 12:18:33 ? Jul 17 12:18:38 I am seeking help Jul 17 12:19:23 MohammadAG:is set to 'play' instead of 'resume'. this means unpausing with phone control restarts the song Jul 17 12:19:30 MohammadAG: which sucks Jul 17 12:19:48 MohammadAG: for my sms > espeak reader Jul 17 12:20:10 MohammadAG: have a nice day bro Jul 17 12:20:24 niv_: it seems unlikley mate Jul 17 12:20:36 niv_, tried #gentoo ? Jul 17 12:20:42 have you tried #gentoo? Jul 17 12:20:48 yes Jul 17 12:20:48 bah! Jul 17 12:21:05 psycho_oreos: confused now, ok at first. if I want to continue using old /home/user, I should flash fiasco ? Is the steps fiasco -> eMMc -> firmware ? Jul 17 12:21:26 Evanescence, it is fiasco ONLY Jul 17 12:21:32 Evanescence: ONLY flash rootfs Jul 17 12:21:37 not fiasco -> eMMC -> firmware Jul 17 12:21:45 Evanescence: i.e. fiasco only Jul 17 12:21:47 oh. I see. Jul 17 12:22:16 :q Jul 17 12:22:24 and there's only two parts, fiasco and eMMC, no such thing as firmware.. or rather firmware is just fiasco Jul 17 12:22:39 when I boot my domU using genkenrel my rootfs appears as read only Jul 17 12:23:37 psycho_oreos: that's it. I am confused in concept of those. so that this command "sudo flasher-3.5 -F -f -R" is flashing fiasco , right ? Jul 17 12:23:38 niv_, I　highly doubt you'll find help here, this is the support channel for Nokia Internet Tablets running maemo linux, not gentoo support channel Jul 17 12:24:30 Evanescence, yes except you obviously replace whatever is in paranthesis with the filename or the full path to the file that is the fiasco image Jul 17 12:24:34 I know of one guy here using gentoo Jul 17 12:24:39 and another using xen Jul 17 12:24:43 so maybe... Jul 17 12:25:08 oh ya, how to solve the modest crash after upgrading to cssu? Jul 17 12:25:20 yeah, you can ask and wait but otherwise you'd be only hoping Jul 17 12:25:48 modest crashing depends on which factors, though I'd check the bug tracker first Jul 17 12:26:12 psycho_oreos: I see. and it should be fiasco first , then eMMc ? Jul 17 12:27:08 Evanescence, I've told you for the third time and I'm not going to repeat myself. You _only_ _only_ need to flash fiasco. If you ask the same question again I'm not going to bother answer Jul 17 12:28:04 psycho_oreos: I am so sorry.... hit me. Jul 17 12:35:23 Evanescence, it pays to always look at the built-in help pages from the program you are using, where available or at least search for manual pages either locally or on the internet.. then search for howtos on internet. Such simple steps prevents one asking repetitive questions over a trivial matter Jul 17 12:36:36 yeah... I have readed "How to ask smart questions" I get rid of this bad habit now. Jul 17 12:40:13 niv, still here? Jul 17 12:40:23 enable UBI devices in kernel config Jul 17 12:40:47 hmm, you might want to check USB network devices Jul 17 12:40:51 enable phonet Jul 17 12:41:09 which reminds me, i fubar'd my kernel-config and need to start all over Jul 17 13:04:46 hi everyone Jul 17 13:05:56 any karaoke player for maemo (N900)? Jul 17 13:09:25 None that I know of, but Performous is currently being ported. Jul 17 13:09:43 No idea how long it'll take to finish the port, though. Jul 17 13:10:30 i tried pykaraoke but it doesn't work Jul 17 13:23:11 hello, i have one problem in my n900, sound is used for other aplication all time :( Jul 17 13:24:00 define other application Jul 17 13:25:23 I have a problem with the nokia n900. The sound is being used by another application (and I can not use bluetooth and calls do not use the internal speaker Jul 17 13:25:37 i dont know what aplication used the sound :( Jul 17 13:27:32 Try listening to music and: Jul 17 13:28:11 cannot play media files. sound is used by another aplication Jul 17 13:30:36 try running lsof against /dev/dsp and see if there's any active PID Jul 17 13:56:23 so far nothing useful on my "N900 resources" wiki page :( Jul 17 14:48:16 ~tell Evanescence about flashing Jul 17 14:48:49 DocScrutinizer: I have successed in flashing. Thanks Jul 17 15:38:06 anyone managed to use and sdk for n950 under linux ? Jul 17 15:40:35 Many people. Jul 17 15:41:27 ok... how the blip? Jul 17 15:41:35 I'm struggling here with no success Jul 17 15:41:47 (except from the qt sdk) Jul 17 15:42:08 I'm fighting with scratchbox and I'm loosing Jul 17 15:44:53 punch harder Jul 17 15:44:59 That's what I get: http://tinypic.com/r/2je9zef/7 Jul 17 15:48:32 someone here used modrana? is it better than navit? Jul 17 16:03:28 is there any navigation app for n900? Jul 17 16:11:25 vdv, the maps application can route but can't speak, then there used to be sygic mobile maps but not anymore. I last tried marble and while it seemed to kinda do what's needed, it wasn't that easy to use (especially to get voice navigation...didn't get it on first try) Jul 17 16:14:27 vdv, to me marble seems the best bet since apparently there are no commercial navigation apps besides sygic which is no more (I guess) and it appears to have the necessary features, ie. can download maps from a certain region and route through them, though offline routing probably requires installing some other program, can't remember the name Jul 17 16:15:25 I just wanted a hassle-free nav program for those times when I gotta drive somewhere new, I guess I missed the opportunity :) Jul 17 16:18:55 joga, apps which i've now looked are: navit, mappero, modrana Jul 17 16:18:57 joga, erm? mappero? Jul 17 16:21:47 what i really need is to reduce data traffic amount to minumum Jul 17 16:22:15 there's no offline maps preinstalled on n900, not? Jul 17 16:22:26 well ovi maps has those iirc Jul 17 16:22:46 I really wish though that there were some tools to generate offline maps for all those apps using openstreetmap etc... Jul 17 16:23:01 mappero does that Jul 17 16:23:14 can i use ovi offline maps with mappero? Jul 17 16:23:22 why use ovi ? Jul 17 16:23:23 no Jul 17 16:23:26 AFAIK no Jul 17 16:23:42 You can pre-download google, google s/l and osm. Jul 17 16:23:58 download google maps? Jul 17 16:23:59 V13, how? Jul 17 16:24:02 I uses that just a week ago when traveling with a plane. Jul 17 16:24:13 there are two ways Jul 17 16:24:16 I haven't yet seen anything usable on how to get caches for mappero Jul 17 16:24:27 the easiest is to just move the maps and see them once Jul 17 16:24:36 which will make it cache the maps Jul 17 16:24:53 and take an insane amount of time Jul 17 16:25:00 for the various levels Jul 17 16:25:02 the other is via menu -> maps -> manage maps Jul 17 16:25:08 which simply doesn't seem to work Jul 17 16:25:27 where you select the area and the levels you want to download Jul 17 16:25:53 just go to a level/location where the entire area is shown Jul 17 16:26:02 and then download, adding some more levels Jul 17 16:26:15 although I believe that it also will download nearby tiles Jul 17 16:27:28 and i don't need internet connection after maps are cached? Jul 17 16:27:54 just updated the N900. Every programs dies with segmentation fault now and IIRC no system component was about to be updated. Just saying, now I have to reflash :-). Jul 17 16:29:02 vdv: marble can do offline routing via monav Jul 17 16:30:05 i.e. i should use OpenStreetMaps, Monav and marble? Jul 17 16:30:29 NIN101: what and how did you update? Jul 17 16:30:41 through apt-get Jul 17 16:30:48 haha Jul 17 16:31:07 not maybe apt-get dist-upgrade? Jul 17 16:31:12 apt-get upgrade Jul 17 16:31:21 bad enough Jul 17 16:32:46 Iheard enabling certain repos and then doing an upgrade is fairly sufficient to break virtually everything Jul 17 16:33:38 particularly repos that are meant for the SDK Jul 17 16:39:59 ruskie, what about mappero? Jul 17 16:41:06 joga, well you didn't mention it Jul 17 16:41:42 ah, yeah, I didn't. for quick checking of surrounding area map I use maep Jul 17 16:42:03 I do have mappero installed but haven't used it much Jul 17 17:48:11 * ShadowJK clocks 17M/sec out of emmc Jul 17 18:28:27 [Sampo Online Banking] Month with no payment, must not be equivalent to the month chosen under "First payment" Jul 17 18:28:34 * timeless sighs Jul 17 18:28:40 who writes these error messages? Jul 17 18:31:07 Bankers? Jul 17 18:41:18 ... Jul 17 18:51:37 timeless: Given I work in financing systems, I can decode that :-) Jul 17 18:51:47 what's it mean? Jul 17 18:51:52 timeless: You can't have a payment holiday in the first month of the deal Jul 17 18:52:14 timeless: i.e. either push the start date back or move your payment holiday Jul 17 18:52:31 i wanted to suspend the payment thing entirely Jul 17 18:53:18 timeless: I've no idea what you're doing, but if it's a loan/lease type thing; you don't want to pay it back at all? ;-) Jul 17 18:54:10 it was a sponsorship Jul 17 18:54:14 (contribution) Jul 17 18:54:39 Ah Jul 17 19:02:23 hy can u guys help me with my n900 Jul 17 19:03:03 i try to create a yahoo mail account on my n900 but all the time i have same error that my username or password is not correct Jul 17 19:03:08 what shoud i do? Jul 17 19:03:37 enter the correct info? Jul 17 19:03:43 yes Jul 17 19:04:27 if i try with gmail same problem Jul 17 19:04:52 are you sure you are entering the correct info? Jul 17 19:04:59 yes Jul 17 19:05:15 i know my username and my password Jul 17 19:05:36 i can log in from a computer without a problem Jul 17 19:05:48 but i want from my phone Jul 17 19:05:57 using an email client on the computer? or through their web intefraces? Jul 17 19:06:05 i guess you want it because of flickr :) Jul 17 19:06:12 have you tried another browser? Jul 17 19:06:35 i try with phone application Jul 17 19:06:52 in a browser is working without a problem Jul 17 19:07:40 and i'm connected to the internet Jul 17 19:08:03 phone application? what do you mean by that? Jul 17 19:08:25 and you are trying it through the mail application? and you enter the right server and you sure you have the right username(they might require it as user@domain or only as user) Jul 17 19:09:31 ok Jul 17 19:09:40 i start the account setup Jul 17 19:09:58 i chose service provider yahoo mail plus Jul 17 19:10:10 then i pess next Jul 17 19:10:17 I assume you have yahoo mail plus enabled? Jul 17 19:10:23 i put my username and password Jul 17 19:10:33 yes is enabled Jul 17 19:10:50 hmm iirc yahoo uses user@domain Jul 17 19:11:32 are you sure your account allows using it via n900 mail application? afaik normal yahoo account doesn't support it. Jul 17 19:11:32