**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 18 02:59:58 2011 Jul 18 03:02:15 freaking love my n900 Jul 18 03:22:45 hello all Jul 18 03:22:57 hey timeless: Jul 18 03:23:04 hi Jul 18 03:23:09 hi Jul 18 03:23:17 still have the n8 Jul 18 03:23:48 yeah Jul 18 03:23:56 * timeless needs to pack Jul 18 03:24:12 timeless: i sold the n900 on ebay for $189 Jul 18 03:24:53 anyone want to sell their n8? Jul 18 03:33:34 lol Jul 18 03:33:36 speedevil: didnt you have an n8? Jul 18 05:44:48 When will this stupid game end? Jul 18 05:44:51 Jaffa, ping? Jul 18 05:51:26 pong Jul 18 05:51:50 GeneralAntilles: You're still up?! Jul 18 05:52:12 Bottom of the 16th inning in the Rays/Red Sox game. Jul 18 05:52:29 Started 5:41 ago. Jul 18 05:53:49 Still no response from etherpad. Jul 18 06:00:14 OK, Rays lost. Jul 18 06:00:16 Going to bed. Jul 18 06:00:30 Jaffa, will be up early-ish to wait for DHL. So I can work on the issue whenever etherpad comes back. Jul 18 06:11:09 robbiethe1st, ping Jul 18 06:11:15 ? Jul 18 06:11:26 Termana: Pong? Jul 18 06:11:38 robbiethe1st, does BackupMenu use multiboot or uboot? Jul 18 06:12:19 Niether, by default. It uses bootmenu, which basically hijacks the normal Maemo boot process. Jul 18 06:12:52 But you can modify it to use just about anything you want, so long as it's running the Maemo kernel and has the rootfs accessible... Jul 18 06:13:45 right I meant bootmenu by multiboot. I thought multiboot was just the old name for bootmenu Jul 18 06:14:54 I don't think so; Multiboot will run other kernels(and is actually potentially dangerous in that it flashes new kernels depending on your boot choice); bootmenu just hijacks the Maemo boot process Jul 18 06:15:05 Check /bootmenu.sh for more info Jul 18 06:16:05 Also, uBoot and bootmenu will work together, but to run multiboot with Backupmenu you need a custom multiboot menu item file. Jul 18 06:19:49 Nice! 470 installs of BM 1.1 since it was released two days ago Jul 18 06:20:32 I have pretty much given up hope of finding anyone who can figure out how to call libconnui :( (or of seeing information from Nokia about it) Jul 18 06:20:44 Looks like Cell Broadcast SMS wont happen after all Jul 18 06:20:55 :( Jul 18 06:21:17 jonwil, do you think that you might be putting in too much effort for too little gain? Jul 18 06:21:39 Never! Jul 18 06:22:04 It's those little things that make Maemo great Jul 18 06:23:02 If I can figure out how to call those damn connui functions, implementing the rest of my plan should be fairly simple Jul 18 06:24:15 Can't you, like, decompile the connui library or something? Isn't there some tool that can tell you all functions etc? Jul 18 06:28:15 GeneralAntilles: thanks Jul 18 06:51:20 I cant decompile it Jul 18 06:51:26 I can disassemble it Jul 18 06:51:37 but my knowledge of the ARM ABI is not good enough to figure out just whats going on Jul 18 06:51:45 or just what the prototype of these functions actually is Jul 18 06:52:04 Isn't there some sort of analyser out there? Jul 18 06:52:10 seems like there should be... Jul 18 06:52:10 nope Jul 18 06:52:18 not for ARM Jul 18 06:52:26 for x86 I have a decompiler Jul 18 06:52:41 but there are no x86 binaries of these libs Jul 18 06:53:05 darn Jul 18 06:55:21 so unless a miracle occurs and Nokia can be convinced to release the headers for these libs or unless someone with ARM reverse engineering/ASM skills shows up who can help me reverse engineer this stuff, its not happening Jul 18 06:55:23 :( Jul 18 07:04:14 At this point, I think it would take a miracle to get Nokia to even acknowledge the existence of Fremantle, let alone provide any kind of information on it Jul 18 07:04:42 Yea, sadly. Jul 18 07:04:50 Yet it's *still* the best thing ever. Jul 18 07:05:07 I have no doubt that there are things YOU wish nokia would release or open source too... Jul 18 07:05:31 Definitely Jul 18 07:05:41 like what? :) Jul 18 07:05:53 Still, Fremantle > Harmattan Jul 18 07:06:41 Actually, I think OSS graphics drivers would be my first choice; then modem interfacing... Jul 18 07:07:18 Just thinking in terms of what's needed to, say, make Debian or Kubuntu Mobile just as good/fast as Fremantle Jul 18 07:07:33 modem interfacing is available if you use ofono Jul 18 07:07:37 :) Jul 18 07:07:44 Ooh, nice Jul 18 07:07:58 is ofono actually usable yet on the n900? Jul 18 07:08:01 yes it is Jul 18 07:08:07 MeeGo-on-N900 is using it no problems Jul 18 07:08:25 was hoping for m5 CE thingy having it Jul 18 07:08:37 basically replace as much as possible of the proprietary things Jul 18 07:08:59 Yea Jul 18 07:09:16 without affecting the UX though Jul 18 07:10:25 If we had documentation of all the dbus interfaces to the cellular services daemon and its plugins, replacing it with ofono shouldn't be rocket science Jul 18 07:10:28 But we dont Jul 18 07:10:30 so we cant replace it Jul 18 07:22:21 how can i reset data counter to zero? Jul 18 07:27:19 vdv, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Jul 18 07:27:39 has a ton of info on how to do things Jul 18 07:29:28 ruskie, thanks Jul 18 07:35:12 sup #maemo. Jul 18 07:35:55 not mucken futch Jul 18 07:39:58 * jonwil is lamenting his inabillity to understand ARM asm Jul 18 07:49:27 isn't it possible to play mp3's from microsd if it's filesystem is not vfat? Jul 18 07:49:35 should be Jul 18 07:49:37 don't see why not Jul 18 07:49:45 with default media player? Jul 18 07:49:58 again don't see why not Jul 18 07:50:02 think it doesn't scan device Jul 18 07:50:04 the only thing is it needs to get indexed Jul 18 07:50:32 jonwil, anything like this of help: http://www.heyrick.co.uk/assembler/ ? Jul 18 07:50:33 You'd need to mount the microSD card somewhere it can be read Jul 18 07:50:53 robbiethe1st, well wouldn't the default auto mount location be good for that? Jul 18 07:50:54 since sdcard is ext3, i become warning on boot that card is unusable Jul 18 07:50:59 Yes. Jul 18 07:51:02 vdv, it's not really Jul 18 07:51:11 the OS needs to be ajdusted to mount it Jul 18 07:51:13 i know, i can mount it and use Jul 18 07:51:24 entry in fstab? Jul 18 07:51:27 might need to poke tracker to index it Jul 18 07:51:28 sadly no Jul 18 07:51:37 fstab gets regenerated on each reboot Jul 18 07:51:39 which is annoying Jul 18 07:51:48 I really need to send some patches to cssu for that Jul 18 07:52:01 but there's no fstab.d under /etc Jul 18 07:52:06 erm Jul 18 07:52:11 there is no fstab.d anywhere Jul 18 07:52:14 nope that site doesn't help Jul 18 07:52:17 it's just /etc/fstab Jul 18 07:52:24 yes Jul 18 07:52:27 and that gets generated using some awk script Jul 18 07:52:28 The hard part (and the undocumented part) is understanding the ARM linux ABI Jul 18 07:52:31 genfstab.awk iirc Jul 18 07:52:34 ahh Jul 18 07:52:52 One would think the ABI is pretty well documented Jul 18 07:52:56 By ARM itself Jul 18 07:53:50 I could probably figure some things out by reading the GCC source code Jul 18 07:54:10 but the GCC source code is unreadable Jul 18 07:54:16 its a nightmare Jul 18 07:54:17 :P Jul 18 07:55:19 ttp://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/kbentry39 <-- this maybe jonwil ? Jul 18 07:55:48 s/ttp:/http:/ Jul 18 07:55:48 ruskie meant: http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/kbentry39 <-- this maybe jonwil ? Jul 18 07:56:30 Morning, all Jul 18 08:01:20 * jonwil wishes he could afford a copy of the HexRays ARM decompiler :( Jul 18 08:01:47 can anyone advise some good media player for maemo? Jul 18 08:01:59 vdv, I use xmms2 myself ;) Jul 18 08:02:15 and for video? Jul 18 08:02:29 vdv, what's wrong with the built-in one? Jul 18 08:03:00 mplayer Jul 18 08:03:08 but then that's me Jul 18 08:18:35 installed smplayer Jul 18 08:19:11 Venemo, the issue with built-in one... tracker Jul 18 08:19:44 mhm. Jul 18 08:23:15 joppu, ping Jul 18 08:30:19 joppu, please see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=26464&posted=1#post26464 Jul 18 08:34:42 hmm.. seems media player actually "sees" mp3's on ext3 microsd Jul 18 08:35:02 vdv, after they get indexed by tracker yeah Jul 18 08:36:22 how can run tracker manually? Jul 18 08:40:50 is it just me or have all the smart guru people moved to the N950 or to MeeGo? :P Jul 18 08:41:36 no clue Jul 18 08:42:42 It seems that way though Jul 18 08:48:36 jonwil, hardly. Jul 18 08:48:49 jonwil, but yeah, we've lost 150 people in the channel over the last year. Jul 18 08:50:42 vdv, /etc/osso-af-init/tracker.sh start Jul 18 08:50:45 Seems like finding anyone much who cares about improving Fremantle or doing any kind of system development is almost impossible Jul 18 08:51:44 crashanddie, and maybe before that tracker-processes --terminate Jul 18 08:55:21 what's wrong with this http://pastebin.com/4EpRVfAm (contents of the hildon-application-manager.list file) Jul 18 08:55:47 is it normal that my /etc/apt/sources.list is empty? Jul 18 08:56:30 yup Jul 18 08:56:43 i get error when i do apt-get update Jul 18 08:56:48 and you really shouldn't be editing hildon-application-manager.list Jul 18 08:56:57 use the app manager to edit catalogues Jul 18 08:56:57 there is sources.list.d/ right? Jul 18 08:57:17 should be Jul 18 08:57:19 this isnt normal apt .. its nokiafucked apt :) Jul 18 08:57:27 lol Jul 18 08:58:06 ruskie, should edit sources.list instead? Jul 18 08:58:24 ah, app manager Jul 18 08:58:25 use the application manager gui Jul 18 08:58:31 ok Jul 18 08:58:41 it also sprinkles some fairy dust over apt, using plain apt can break the system Jul 18 09:00:09 fapman works to some extent too, even some people suggest against it Jul 18 09:08:44 Program Catalog doesn't work now Jul 18 09:09:14 seems hildon-application-manager.list is damaged Jul 18 09:09:36 can anyone post his own so i can to compare? Jul 18 09:11:40 hey that one contains private data, doesnt it? Jul 18 09:11:57 (the closed source repo for the nokia apps) Jul 18 09:17:50 cehteh, closed source repo? Jul 18 09:19:09 why did yours get damaged btw? Jul 18 09:20:09 http://pastebin.com/dAtyJgxJ Jul 18 09:20:30 because i've edited it too much :) Jul 18 09:20:35 looks no private stuff there, the SDK repo has some private URL which should not be published Jul 18 09:20:38 lol Jul 18 09:20:55 note the last 2 entries are non standard too Jul 18 09:22:53 cehteh, ok thanks Jul 18 09:27:41 apt-worker: too weak to get lock from 3811. Jul 18 09:28:01 i assume 3811 is application manager's pid? Jul 18 09:28:21 i get msg above when trying to run application manager Jul 18 09:30:30 you have some apt jobs running or stale locks? Jul 18 09:30:43 fix that, maybe just reboot Jul 18 09:36:56 Venemo: pong, got it Jul 18 09:37:29 joppu, thank you :) Jul 18 09:37:40 joppu, do you have a good idea for a good-looking icon for such an app? Jul 18 09:44:18 I'm at work atm, so I'll get back to you later, ok? Jul 18 09:54:46 Is their some tools to hack wireless on Maemo except aircrack-ng ? Jul 18 10:29:19 W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ADB4438160A655EF Jul 18 10:29:26 how can i fix that? Jul 18 10:56:22 love the new portrait homescreen support Jul 18 10:56:44 my n900 feels like a new phone ;) Jul 18 10:58:40 * jonwil is sad that none of his N900 projects have come to fruit :( Jul 18 11:01:07 :( Jul 18 11:01:17 Wish you'd found here a couple of years ago. Jul 18 11:01:23 Things might have been different. Jul 18 11:01:36 Doubt any of my projects would have happened then either Jul 18 11:02:02 I see nothing to suggest Nokias attitude towards openness in Maemo Fremantle was any better in the past than it is now Jul 18 11:02:28 another reason to write portable code and not to work on a island platform .. bye ios, bye android .. <3 posix / maemo / meego Jul 18 11:03:11 jonwil: looks they nailed the n950 more down than the n900 or? Jul 18 11:03:27 Don't know about the N950 at all Jul 18 11:03:30 and dont care Jul 18 11:03:36 dvoid: new homescreen support? was there an update that I missed? Jul 18 11:03:45 Community SSU Jul 18 11:03:45 up until the n900 the got more and more open .. not completely but there was some progress Jul 18 11:03:50 not it all ended Jul 18 11:04:28 jonwil: It was - slightly Jul 18 11:04:36 jonwil: Some components were opened. Jul 18 11:04:42 Like what? Jul 18 11:04:45 jonwil: And some information was released. Jul 18 11:05:07 I think what happened with the N950 is that Nokia invented a new fancy UX and wanted to keep the interesting parts closed Jul 18 11:05:11 jonwil: Plus - the chances of getting information when large slices of the project team have been axed is at best small. Jul 18 11:05:25 Pretty much the same with the 900. Jul 18 11:05:33 I still doubt that Nokia would have been willing to open up anything for the cell modem stack or related areas of code Jul 18 11:05:37 well n950 / n9 will be a fail and DOA .. Jul 18 11:05:45 even if they are great devices ... Jul 18 11:05:47 indeed Jul 18 11:05:53 scoobertron, dont think its in any update yet...but theres a .deb in the maemo.org forum...works great...to bad it didt come like 2 years ago ;) Jul 18 11:06:09 I doubt that the bits I wanted opened would have been opened even back then Jul 18 11:06:13 dvoid: thanks, I will have a look for that. Jul 18 11:06:33 People were asking for things like ICD and BME to be opened even before the N900 Jul 18 11:06:37 there will be other free/open phones .. sometime Jul 18 11:06:38 scoobertron, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74980 Jul 18 11:06:38 with only negative answers Jul 18 11:06:48 how to let N900 output to TV ? I test two in "TV out" setting , and searched maemo.org. nothing found. Jul 18 11:06:57 jonwil: perhaps Jul 18 11:07:13 Evanescence: plug it into a TV should work out of the box then Jul 18 11:07:42 I'm waiting if djszapi's effort to better the situation with aegis docs will blossom - otherwise this N950 is useless junk and I consider sending it either back to Nokia or to the junkjard for recycling Jul 18 11:08:11 haha Jul 18 11:08:13 cehteh: I plug on that TV connect line. three plug on TV. and another plug on my N900. no effect. Jul 18 11:08:36 Evanescence: in settings you enabled the tvout? Jul 18 11:08:51 and are you in NTSCistan or PAListan? Jul 18 11:09:17 cehteh: yes, enabled, only two type in setting. I test both of them Jul 18 11:09:32 cehteh: what is NTSCistan and PAListan ? Jul 18 11:09:38 on the TV set you may have to switch input? Jul 18 11:09:54 honestly situation feels worse than windows: you don't knw how to do and where to find docs about 50% of things you usually want to do. Kill a runaway user process as root? Not possible Jul 18 11:09:59 the country you live in .. using NTSC or PAL or what? Jul 18 11:10:20 DocScrutinizer: how about sending it to me? :) Jul 18 11:10:51 (well seriusly, i dont have much interest to waste time on a dead horse) Jul 18 11:11:04 see?! Jul 18 11:11:08 same here Jul 18 11:11:13 but if you abadon it, then in a way to show nokia the finger Jul 18 11:11:33 install a working openmoko on it or so .. Jul 18 11:11:39 or iOS :) Jul 18 11:12:02 haha, if that were possible I'd probably not bin it Jul 18 11:12:12 well you can give to to your niches as toy? Jul 18 11:12:43 cehteh: I understand a little now Jul 18 11:12:44 any useful spare parts on it? Jul 18 11:12:45 I could actually do the explode&scan Jul 18 11:13:04 then send back the rocks Jul 18 11:13:11 DocScrutinizer: yeah cool .. with timer .. send it back, take elop with it Jul 18 11:13:44 cehteh: not a bomb, the exploded view ;-P Jul 18 11:14:07 Evanescence: TVout should work unless your device is defect or you made some other error .. likely the later Jul 18 11:14:26 plugged in the wrong input, didnt switched to that input Jul 18 11:14:55 DocScrutinizer: hey cant you reprogramm the charger to make it boom? ... or maybe just melt Jul 18 11:15:02 cehteh: I plug three line following that colors Jul 18 11:15:35 well read the TV docs what signal the yellow cable is expected Jul 18 11:15:51 and then on the TV you need to switch to that input Jul 18 11:16:00 whatever it is named Jul 18 11:16:22 it will not automatically use it when you plug something in there Jul 18 11:16:37 cehteh: I finally could test if thermal management is good enough to throttle or shutdown prior to CPU defects, yeah Jul 18 11:17:04 hey you can make a YT video n950 at 2.5Ghz :) Jul 18 11:17:24 and n950 under liquid nitrogen Jul 18 11:17:30 no I can't, this kernel isn't OCable Jul 18 11:17:37 and n950 nailed to a barn-door Jul 18 11:18:07 and of now javispedro failed on building the STOCK kernel and make it run Jul 18 11:18:19 outsch Jul 18 11:20:00 sometimes i'd wish the kernel devs switched to gplv3 .. (yeah i know there are also reasons not to do so, but SOMETIMES!) Jul 18 11:20:05 also javispedro: installed rpcbind, finally it worked... for some 2h or sth - when he left home, aegis decided rpcbind did some suspicious thing so aegis instabricked the device: reflash needed Jul 18 11:20:33 is aegis a kernel module or monolithic? Jul 18 11:21:06 it's a distributed framework, parts in kernel, parts in bootloader, parts in userland Jul 18 11:21:21 i meant the in-kernel parts Jul 18 11:21:34 of course mono Jul 18 11:21:38 mhm it has something TPM alike? Jul 18 11:21:48 it IS TPM Jul 18 11:21:52 ok Jul 18 11:22:08 * robbiethe1st is actually glad he didn't get picked for a N950... Jul 18 11:22:20 so it will only boot signed kernels Jul 18 11:22:28 yep Jul 18 11:22:31 robbiethe1st: ahh good to meet you .. Jul 18 11:23:04 robbiethe1st: i have ext4 at MyDocs and mmc .. and backupmenu is unable to access these Jul 18 11:23:20 i didnt investigated why, do you have a fast idea how to fix that? Jul 18 11:23:35 change the mount line in Jul 18 11:25:21 in what? Jul 18 11:25:53 Sorry; doing two things at once. You'll need to change the mount lines in /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenu.item Jul 18 11:25:57 it's a shell script, so Jul 18 11:26:25 ah ok :) thanks Jul 18 11:26:31 thats all info i need Jul 18 11:29:18 robbiethe1st: shall i make that configureable and send you a patch? .. else i just fix it ad-hoc for me Jul 18 11:30:03 Actually, I should probably do some auto-detection... Jul 18 11:31:15 If you can figure that out, I'd be more than appreciative. Jul 18 11:31:38 yeah my thinking .. but i am not sure the busybox mount can do autodetection, if not you have to read the fs identifier Jul 18 11:31:48 ok maybe i do that Jul 18 11:31:58 (dont hold your breath) Jul 18 11:34:05 * cehteh reboots and checks Jul 18 11:35:58 anyways making this configureable "MY_DOCS_FS=vfat" would be the first step .. later then checking if there is MY_DOCS_FS=auto and then, if neccessary do the autodetection Jul 18 11:36:51 .. backup works Jul 18 11:36:55 thanks Jul 18 11:39:30 why would you need to do vfat/ext detection? Jul 18 11:39:38 mount -t auto will auto detect them Jul 18 11:39:44 fsck should auto detect them as well Jul 18 11:40:09 even fstab entry as auto will auto detect them for the fs Jul 18 11:40:15 ruskie: yes thats my question, can busybox mount do -t auto? Jul 18 11:40:26 i am not sure Jul 18 11:40:41 (but dont reject that, have to try) Jul 18 11:41:18 the fstab entries are invoked by mout Jul 18 11:41:20 mount Jul 18 11:41:25 it can from what I tried Jul 18 11:41:34 but lemme check Jul 18 11:41:38 but in busybox land everything is crippled and nothing is sure :) Jul 18 11:43:42 cehteh, works fine here Jul 18 11:43:56 ok Jul 18 11:44:05 mount -o ro -t auto /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1 mounted it fin Jul 18 11:44:17 the reason for the ro is ext4 with some unsupported feature Jul 18 11:45:47 ok Jul 18 11:46:58 but yeah it detected the fs and mounted it Jul 18 12:09:27 MohammadAG: hello Jul 18 12:09:48 MohammadAG: do you still maintain phone control script? Jul 18 12:10:14 everyone else:I have a conundrum Jul 18 12:10:30 a question wrt how dbus works Jul 18 12:10:40 with a very specific example Jul 18 12:11:00 you may know about hte headset-control package Jul 18 12:11:15 this allows you to stop/start the media player with the headset button Jul 18 12:11:27 it relies on the headset-button-enabler package Jul 18 12:11:55 which creates the dbus events form hal detecting button action Jul 18 12:12:19 if I run dbus --monitor --system I can see the button action Jul 18 12:12:46 when I have BOTH headset-control AND headset-button-enabler installed Jul 18 12:13:16 however if I uninstall headset-control Jul 18 12:13:28 I no longer see dbus events for the headset button Jul 18 12:14:02 one would assume that they would as the headset-button-enabler is present Jul 18 12:14:29 Does anyone know anything about the headset-enabler? Jul 18 12:14:49 Do I need to register a listner ala proximityd Jul 18 12:14:51 ? Jul 18 12:15:04 Is there any documentation for this program? Jul 18 12:15:14 or did qwerty12 eschew docs? Jul 18 12:15:31 is anyone even listening to me or am I just pee'ing up the wall solo here? Jul 18 12:16:56 afaik headset-control only talks to media player Jul 18 12:17:14 Yes I understand that Jul 18 12:17:25 headset-control relies upon headset enabler Jul 18 12:17:42 yes Jul 18 12:17:49 headset-enabler is supposed to create a dbus event for headset control to hear Jul 18 12:18:31 these are small scripts afaik, you should check the source Jul 18 12:18:40 it will clarify things Jul 18 12:19:19 anyway, what are you trying to do? Jul 18 12:20:53 I am writing my own set of scripts Jul 18 12:21:13 to replace all this stuff I have hanging on dbus with just dbus-scritps Jul 18 12:27:09 Ok I see, headset-button-enabler simply changes one line in one file: Jul 18 12:27:20 sed -i s/"^jackbias-off = jack-bias: off"/"jackbias-off = jack-bias: on"/ $policy_file Jul 18 12:28:45 so what creates the dbus event? Jul 18 12:42:26 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1053300#post1053300 Jul 18 12:47:17 hi there Jul 18 12:51:09 Is there anybody who can help me getting my password-protected backupfiles opened on a linux system? (Background: My N900 was defective and i sent it to Nokia Support - but there are no parts and no replacement devices available - so Nokia is able -by there terms and conditions- to send me instead of a working N900 - another device like an E7 or an N8. I don't want that one and said i want my N900 or an N9 if possible. But it looks bad - and i need my con Jul 18 12:51:48 N900's backups are standard .zip files, IIRC Jul 18 12:51:58 also, your question was truncated at "i need my con" Jul 18 12:52:00 mgedmin: yeah but how are they encrypted? Jul 18 12:52:40 thomic, they aren't? Jul 18 12:52:53 I've never used an encrypted backup Jul 18 12:52:55 hrm i protected them with a password Jul 18 12:53:07 this is an option at the backup programm Jul 18 12:53:09 then it's probably a standard zip password Jul 18 12:53:10 I think zip files have a password-protection feature Jul 18 12:53:25 unzip gets an error message Jul 18 12:53:25 so you should be able to open them with any archive manager (e.g. file-roller)? Jul 18 12:53:33 yup Jul 18 12:53:34 it doesn't ask for a password Jul 18 12:53:39 file-roller also Jul 18 12:54:14 run: file nabeoffile Jul 18 12:54:17 hmm Jul 18 12:54:21 erm nameoffile even Jul 18 12:54:23 to see what it says Jul 18 12:54:42 file comm_and_cal.zip Jul 18 12:54:42 comm_and_cal.zip: data Jul 18 12:54:48 I could make a backup and see what happens Jul 18 12:54:49 it says "data" Jul 18 12:54:49 :) Jul 18 12:55:11 hmm Jul 18 12:55:24 hmm I think unzip won't ask about it Jul 18 12:55:41 that would be really nice mgedmin unzip says: "End-of-central-directory signature not found. Either not a zipfile or it constitues of multipart... blah" Jul 18 12:56:09 its no multipart because the unencrypted much older zipfiles work Jul 18 12:56:26 lesson learned - do not password protect your backups on n900 ;) Jul 18 12:56:34 try: unzip -P password comm_and_cal.zip Jul 18 12:56:56 ok, I got a zipped password-protected backup file Jul 18 12:57:17 ruskie: same problem Jul 18 12:57:25 indeed unzip has to ask for password Jul 18 12:57:34 if it recognizes a valid ziparchive Jul 18 12:57:49 yeah just read the manpage Jul 18 12:57:54 maybe the file got corrupted or something Jul 18 12:58:34 darn, you're right Jul 18 12:58:34 ruskie: all my backup files from over 1 year (monthly backup) got corrupted? :D - i restored exactly these files with the n900 backup tool Jul 18 12:58:36 file says "data" Jul 18 12:58:39 after flashing and so Jul 18 12:58:50 hmm Jul 18 12:58:51 mgedmin: yay really weird Jul 18 12:58:57 I'm beginning to think Nokia implemented their own encryption algorithm Jul 18 12:59:06 can you try editing the backup file? Jul 18 12:59:15 ruskie: how? Jul 18 12:59:35 The backup binary links to libcrypto.so.0.9.8 Jul 18 12:59:51 so maybe i'm doomed :) Jul 18 13:00:03 well, worst case -- get a n900 from ebay or somewhere, copy backup files over, restore Jul 18 13:00:05 thomic, $EDITOR backupfile Jul 18 13:00:15 or ask someone to do it for you Jul 18 13:00:18 ruskie, why? that would be a Really Bad Idea Jul 18 13:00:36 ruskie: i think mgedmin is right :D Jul 18 13:00:38 * mgedmin is trying to google something about n900 backup encryption Jul 18 13:00:42 it's binary Jul 18 13:00:48 mgedmin: i've done that Jul 18 13:00:52 hours and hours Jul 18 13:01:00 one irc-log with no output Jul 18 13:01:09 mgedmin, it might be some shell thingy or something Jul 18 13:01:19 maybe anybody who had that problem is that rich to buy a new n900 ;) Jul 18 13:01:48 ruskie: i can open it with hexedit and get nice encrypted data Jul 18 13:02:06 I suppose the backup/restore app is closed source? Jul 18 13:02:22 is it? Jul 18 13:02:32 yes it is Jul 18 13:02:36 * ruskie tries to generate a pw protected backup Jul 18 13:03:07 yep, osso-backup is closed source Jul 18 13:03:10 it's named osso-backup Jul 18 13:03:16 yay thanks jonwil Jul 18 13:03:30 its closed source so that doesnt help you Jul 18 13:04:07 i know ... just thanks for the info - i think i'll get a ticket at nokia support for patching this crappy "nokia suite" or so to read these files :) Jul 18 13:06:13 if it helps, its using AES encryption Jul 18 13:10:13 ok jonwil openssl enc -d -aes* wont do it :( Jul 18 13:13:24 shouldn't be rocket science to figure out how to decrypt the files (given that we have implementations of AES and SHA1 that exist) Jul 18 13:13:34 that's if I can get a working example Jul 18 13:13:55 generate your own backup file? Jul 18 13:14:14 generate three Jul 18 13:14:23 two in plaintext to see what changes (embedded timestamps?) Jul 18 13:14:27 third one encrypted Jul 18 13:14:39 then do cryptanalysis! Jul 18 13:14:50 no, reverse engineering can make it happen Jul 18 13:14:55 hehe Jul 18 13:14:58 since the crypto functions are documented Jul 18 13:16:36 oh yeah :) Jul 18 13:16:38 I see amazon still sells n900s Jul 18 13:16:42 happy holiday :) Jul 18 13:16:47 maybe I should buy a backup copy, in case mine breaks? Jul 18 13:16:53 but I've been saving up for a n9... Jul 18 13:16:57 AES and SHA1 are fairly simple to understand Jul 18 13:17:36 yeah and i had them in my university courses ... won't be a technical - but time problem :) Jul 18 13:18:01 nope, wont be hard since we have the password Jul 18 13:18:14 and we can figure out via reverse engineering how the password works Jul 18 13:18:43 mgedmin, N950 isn't enough? Jul 18 13:18:53 no fbreader, no vim Jul 18 13:18:56 no pwsafe Jul 18 13:19:00 YET Jul 18 13:19:07 no web browser that can open https sites with self-signed certificates Jul 18 13:19:13 yes, the "YET" is what consoles me Jul 18 13:19:44 otoh I don't own a n950; it's on loan to me and I'm supposed to return it if someone at nokia decides I've had it long enough Jul 18 13:20:03 we're supposed to get a sw update (at latest, at N9 launch) which will cure every problem Jul 18 13:20:10 yeah Jul 18 13:20:13 a loan it is :( Jul 18 13:20:40 maybe it's their way of forcing me to buy an N9? I'm not sure I could just return to the N900 after this. Jul 18 13:20:51 *nod* Jul 18 13:21:08 I hope it will be possible to copy/paste from an xterm with the final software version Jul 18 13:21:17 or from the web browser for that matter Jul 18 13:22:49 :D Jul 18 13:23:03 or at least we shall have a useable MeeGo CE Jul 18 13:25:09 Venemo: is n950 that better? :( Jul 18 13:25:38 edheldil, well, not THAT better, but the user experience is a very nice and fresh concept indeed Jul 18 13:26:36 and the phone experience is a lot better. Jul 18 13:26:47 anyway, I prefer not to boast with it Jul 18 13:30:08 what is the preferred way to package python packages? (for n900) IIRC someone was pushing some script to do the packaging work Jul 18 13:34:17 hmmm, its not as simple to figure out the backups as I thought Jul 18 13:48:54 if I could get GDB to stay up long enough to hit gsf_input_crypt_new that would help Jul 18 13:49:02 but the backup app closes everything Jul 18 13:50:38 anyone here know anything about gsf_input? Jul 18 13:51:27 crap Jul 18 13:51:37 crap what? Jul 18 13:51:39 our main datacentre just disappeared from the interwebs Jul 18 13:51:47 ugh, thats gotta hurt Jul 18 13:51:52 Any ideas why? :) Jul 18 13:51:57 None whatsoever. Jul 18 13:52:15 talked to whoever is closest physically to the datacenter? Jul 18 13:52:22 Yeah, they're going there Jul 18 13:52:25 :) Jul 18 13:52:34 We called the datacentre operator Jul 18 13:52:46 CENTER Jul 18 13:52:51 :< Jul 18 13:52:59 no, centre. Jul 18 13:53:08 k Jul 18 13:53:43 which dc? Jul 18 13:54:25 Oh wait. Jul 18 13:54:28 Our DC is fine. Jul 18 13:54:33 It's the pipe. Jul 18 13:54:35 Colt fucked up. Jul 18 13:56:50 jonwil, so no luck? tried strace mayeb? Jul 18 13:58:05 I am getting closer Jul 18 13:58:10 just need to play with some things Jul 18 14:10:03 ok, the interesting bit is done via a datatype called gsf_input_crypt Jul 18 14:12:01 jonwil: did you finish reversing the display brightness lib? Jul 18 14:12:11 nope Jul 18 14:12:14 sorry Jul 18 14:16:15 MCE is just too complex to reverse engineer Jul 18 14:16:29 MCE? Jul 18 14:17:00 jonwil: :( Jul 18 14:17:06 mode control entity Jul 18 14:17:20 ooh good, libosso-gsf is open source :) Jul 18 14:17:24 jonwil: well, if you do give it another shot (just the brightness control bits) I'd buy you a beer :P Jul 18 14:17:37 dont drink alcohol :P Jul 18 14:17:56 I'd buy you lunch? :P Jul 18 14:18:10 don't drink lunch Jul 18 14:19:41 the brightness stuff on Fremantle is just too complex Jul 18 14:19:51 and too different from all the other versions of MCE we DO have code for Jul 18 14:20:02 :( Jul 18 14:20:10 I need it on Harmattan anyway, lol Jul 18 14:20:13 Even the fairly simple-looking vibration plugin was too hard for me to get Jul 18 14:20:33 If you need it on Harmattan, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/m/mce/ Jul 18 14:20:41 http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/m/mce-dev/ Jul 18 14:20:47 Thats the MCE source for Harmattan Jul 18 14:20:51 presumably the N950 Jul 18 14:20:58 its only Fremantle thats closed source Jul 18 14:23:42 does that help? Jul 18 14:25:46 well Jul 18 14:25:51 MCE itself is open i think Jul 18 14:25:56 but the display-brightness plugin is not? Jul 18 14:25:57 I think Jul 18 14:25:59 * rm_work checks Jul 18 14:26:05 on Harmattan it should be open Jul 18 14:26:33 yep, it is open on harmattan Jul 18 14:26:36 display.c Jul 18 14:27:10 wait where Jul 18 14:27:28 in the source I linked to Jul 18 14:27:30 its there Jul 18 14:28:16 wahg Jul 18 14:28:36 SWEET Jul 18 14:28:45 sweet jesus on a popsicle Jul 18 14:28:59 Is that the code you need? Jul 18 14:29:04 yes Jul 18 14:29:09 i was just looking at the dev headers Jul 18 14:29:10 Glad I could help Jul 18 14:29:12 and not seeing it Jul 18 14:29:24 didn't actually even bother checking the actual source Jul 18 14:29:34 T_T Jul 18 14:29:43 they've really surprised me this time Jul 18 14:30:23 I think MCE is one of the few things that is more open in Harmattan than it was in Fremantle Jul 18 14:30:38 it was actually made open source for MeeGo Jul 18 14:30:55 yeah, i am amazed Jul 18 14:32:24 According to the guy who did most of MCE, the reason it was closed for so long was a nebulous "there might be valuable IP in there" Jul 18 14:32:49 Then for MeeGo they actually took a hard look and decided that it could be open sourced instead of released as a blob Jul 18 14:33:00 yeah... Jul 18 14:33:07 valuable IP alright... "change brightness setting" Jul 18 14:35:53 there is a lot more involved, e.g. MCE does a lot that relates to power usage Jul 18 14:54:10 great that you found the code you need now :) Jul 18 14:55:09 jonwil==khong? Jul 18 14:55:18 s/ong/uong/ Jul 18 14:55:20 admiral0 meant: jonwil==khuong? Jul 18 14:55:55 nope, never heard of khuong Jul 18 14:56:05 :\ Jul 18 14:56:44 foo Jul 18 14:56:52 s/ / / Jul 18 14:56:53 cehteh meant: foo Jul 18 14:56:56 :P Jul 18 14:57:55 ~dict seymor butts Jul 18 14:57:58 could not find definition for seymor butts Jul 18 14:58:33 lol Jul 18 14:58:39 here he is :) Jul 18 14:58:39 hi Jul 18 14:58:44 hi khuong Jul 18 14:59:11 hello admiral0 Jul 18 15:08:59 hi Jul 18 15:10:35 who wanted sslstrip in maemo5? Jul 18 15:11:05 id want a current chrome and python ;) Jul 18 15:11:27 out of curiosity, for you current python is 2.7 or 3.2? Jul 18 15:12:43 > 2.5 Jul 18 15:13:01 2.7 and 3.x are pretty close concerning features, as far as i see Jul 18 15:13:15 or, as far as it concerns me Jul 18 15:15:00 the n950 came with python 2.7 preinstalled Jul 18 15:15:21 no! 2.6 :( Jul 18 15:15:30 holy shit there's an n950 now Jul 18 15:15:33 I just remembered being happy it wasn't 2.5 :) Jul 18 15:16:06 mgedmin: i know, the bug filed against the python port to update it to >2.5 for fremantle is a "wontfix" Jul 18 15:16:14 I'm not surprised Jul 18 15:16:23 i feel so ancient with my n810 Jul 18 15:16:25 who wants to buy it Jul 18 15:16:40 * mgedmin still has his 770 in a drawer somewhere Jul 18 15:16:55 do i win with owning a 3210? Jul 18 15:16:55 actually I dropped it on my cats' water bowl by accident Jul 18 15:16:56 I have n810 on my table waiting for some fun use. not figured out yet what that would be. Jul 18 15:16:57 ;) Jul 18 15:17:01 chipped the bowl :( Jul 18 15:17:04 the 770 is fine :) Jul 18 15:17:18 flux: have you found a batter xterm for it? Jul 18 15:17:19 perhaps it could serve as a terminal for filling up the shopping list or something, attached to the fridge with a magnet Jul 18 15:17:19 flux: some house management terminal? Jul 18 15:17:38 dude the n810 is too heavy to attach to the fridge Jul 18 15:17:50 lol Jul 18 15:17:56 sevard, I've extracted magnets from old hard drives ;) Jul 18 15:18:11 also 50 smaller magnets from dx are coming in the mail.. Jul 18 15:18:12 and you want to put a huge magnet on your fancy handheld pc Jul 18 15:18:27 does n810 have something that's sensitive to magnets? Jul 18 15:20:10 your mom Jul 18 15:21:24 the n810 has an ambiant light sensor?? Jul 18 15:21:33 yes Jul 18 15:21:34 I should write an alarm clock for it that slowly wakes you up Jul 18 15:21:44 khuong ping Jul 18 15:22:00 it would wake you up slower depending on how dark it is Jul 18 15:24:03 admiral0: awww Jul 18 15:24:38 .... Jul 18 15:24:44 your friend died Jul 18 15:24:56 lol Jul 18 15:25:20 wtf Jul 18 15:25:25 lol Jul 18 15:26:56 what is the preferred way to package python packages? (for n900) IIRC someone was pushing some script to do the packaging work Jul 18 15:40:03 what's the deal with the community ssu for the n810? Jul 18 15:40:33 the os 2008's application updater already issues updates for garage apps.. i get updates for dialcentral all the time Jul 18 15:40:42 is there an advantage I'm not seeing? Jul 18 15:44:00 re Jul 18 15:48:47 sevard: I think the idea is the SSU does SYSTEM applications, like the kernel and such Jul 18 15:49:01 sevard: whereas the updater is right now only telling you about app updates Jul 18 15:49:19 hm Jul 18 15:49:31 so this would be important if one upgraded to diablo turbo Jul 18 15:49:43 erm Jul 18 15:49:49 not sure what that is exactly... possibly? :P Jul 18 15:50:13 apparently it's a new kernel with patches to increase performance and overclock from 333 to 400mhz Jul 18 15:50:18 how much do you know about how DPKG works? Jul 18 15:50:19 and apt Jul 18 15:50:25 i know a fair deal Jul 18 15:50:28 ok so Jul 18 15:50:40 right now there is a meta-package that is "all system packages for this OS" Jul 18 15:50:56 and it specifies absolute version numbers for kernel, xorg, etc Jul 18 15:51:16 when you install the SSU, they have a newer version of that meta-package Jul 18 15:51:43 so it tells your system there is a new set of packages for those (from the SSU) and allows you to get their custom kernel/xorg/etc updates Jul 18 15:51:46 for the low level system packages Jul 18 15:51:53 someone correct me if i'm wrong Jul 18 15:52:14 neat Jul 18 15:52:26 it looks like there have been some pretty good advancements for os2008 Jul 18 15:54:00 i haven't been following it :( my n800 was fairly broken by the time i got my n900 (random reboots, hardware related) so i basically dropped development on it Jul 18 15:54:08 aww Jul 18 15:54:14 i did love that thing tho :) Jul 18 15:54:23 one of the best devices i've ever owned Jul 18 15:54:39 second only to n900 and possibly now n950 (haven't decided yet on the n950, only had it for like two hours) Jul 18 15:54:58 i didn't even know an n950 came out lol Jul 18 15:55:04 did they finally add usb host mode :) Jul 18 15:56:33 hey lcuk where is that maemo advert site we did? Jul 18 15:57:25 lcuk: nm found it Jul 18 16:36:27 sslstrip is now here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75034 Jul 18 16:47:49 ok, 2h walk with xchat, with marble and mappero and screen always on, pretty much eats exactly one battery Jul 18 16:48:44 while mappero was kinda nice and easy, marble gave me quite some headache usability and performance-wise Jul 18 16:51:54 3g? no wonder Jul 18 16:52:01 use gprs, and you might even make the day Jul 18 16:52:14 well no way Jul 18 16:52:16 but half-day maybe Jul 18 16:59:49 javispedro: yup Jul 18 17:00:29 will repeat that test another time, without any online data connection Jul 18 17:02:04 who of you is using the facebook chat in conversations? Jul 18 17:02:16 Not me. Jul 18 17:12:51 thopiekar: use jabber Jul 18 17:13:02 the server is chat.facebook.com Jul 18 17:14:32 kerio: set as address [username]@chat.facebook.com and my password but as the predefined facebookchat profile it also doesn't work Jul 18 17:21:21 thopiekar, I use the build-in facebook chat; works Jul 18 17:21:43 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/18/htc_apple_patent_ruling/ Jul 18 17:22:03 admiral0, you there? Jul 18 17:22:23 Venemo: hmm strange mine stopped working :/ I should think about cleaning up /home/user.. Jul 18 17:22:46 yep Jul 18 17:23:37 thopiekar, weird Jul 18 17:29:40 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/07/18/review_tablets_hp_touchpad/ Jul 18 17:52:16 Well. Moo. Jul 18 18:46:37 oooh GREAT - hildon craps itself - black backlit screen with only the 4 time-digits from statusbar visible Jul 18 18:54:59 so, ermm I installed titans kernel for a bit of OC fun on one of my maemo devices Jul 18 18:55:19 any idea how to allow it to actually do some ocing Jul 18 18:55:29 the device seems slower than it was before Jul 18 18:58:44 More BS patents. Jul 18 18:58:49 Out of hand. Jul 18 18:58:50 http://gettys.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/apple-patents-portrait-landscape-flipping-the-patent-system-is-broken/ Jul 18 19:05:36 ohh fun Jul 18 19:22:29 public enemy iirc was the band that had a song "sample my sausage" - here we shall rename the song to "patent my brainfart" Jul 18 19:40:35 !seen thopiekar Jul 18 19:41:24 >> ~seen Jul 18 19:41:47 ~seen thopiekar Jul 18 19:42:06 thopiekar <~quassel@p4FCD74A5.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 19m 43s ago, saying: 'Venemo: hmm strange mine stopped working :/ I should think about cleaning up /home/user..'. Jul 18 19:42:38 Maybe he cleaned too much :-) Jul 18 19:43:08 :D Jul 18 19:47:59 Venemo: almost uploaded \o/ Jul 18 19:48:52 DocScrutinizer, the video? Jul 18 19:49:11 Venemo: from the *cough* very informative *couhg* sharing-status progress bar I think it's at ~80% Jul 18 19:49:15 yep Jul 18 19:50:36 but I also found the whole upload going to dev/null on ovi after finally uploading a small video snippet Jul 18 19:52:34 from right end of blue progress bar to the 5 of "50,9 MB" is maybe just 10% of the length of blue bar now ;-) Jul 18 19:52:42 someone at nokia has the uber secret CLUAO job .. Chief Linux User Annoying Officer :) Jul 18 19:53:03 or do you think thats elop personally? Jul 18 19:53:14 I *know* why this job is secret :-P Jul 18 19:55:10 ~CLUAO is Chief Linux User Annoying Officer, a position inside Nokia that's kept secret to protect personal Jul 18 19:55:11 DocScrutinizer: okay Jul 18 19:55:15 :D Jul 18 19:55:57 \o/ done Jul 18 19:56:51 :P Jul 18 20:00:31 http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10175 Jul 18 20:00:53 anybody betting on what's causing this? Jul 18 20:01:36 (sorry for the bairwitch camera ;-P) Jul 18 20:01:47 blairwitch project even Jul 18 20:02:33 DocScrutinizer, humm... Jul 18 20:03:15 DocScrutinizer, I should have created a video for you when I accidentally dropped the N900 on concrete Jul 18 20:03:42 yeah, in slomo :-D Jul 18 20:04:30 DocScrutinizer, nope, I mean what the software did after that Jul 18 20:04:31 though taking a video somewhat defeats the "accidentally" Jul 18 20:05:34 DocScrutinizer, it displayed rectangles in place of characters and pink rectangles in the place of image elements... varying between reboots and uptimes Jul 18 20:06:28 hey, almost as nice as my previous N900-goes-psychedelic-art video then? Jul 18 20:06:36 javispedro: hi! :-D Jul 18 20:06:38 where can i get the key? "W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ADB4438160A655EF" Jul 18 20:07:27 hah Jul 18 20:07:28 DocScrutinizer: is that with the 64bit flash plugin? Jul 18 20:07:29 ji Jul 18 20:07:55 DocScrutinizer, a lot nicer, in a sense Jul 18 20:08:23 DocScrutinizer: that are not video encoding artifacts? Jul 18 20:08:29 nope, was errr I forgot what caused it. I guess I even never knew what caused it, just like this time Jul 18 20:08:48 javispedro: another N900-goes-mad video: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10175 Jul 18 20:08:49 DocScrutinizer, something must have gone wrong with the controller of the NAND flash... as it *sometimes* failed to retrieve some data, and *sometimes* *some* apps segfaulted randomly. Jul 18 20:08:49 DocScrutinizer: i am getting a similar in konqueror with flash 64bit. firefox seem to be using the latest flash fine Jul 18 20:08:58 DocScrutinizer: how much swap in use? Jul 18 20:09:20 yes looks to me like some swapping related problem Jul 18 20:09:23 DocScrutinizer: I now think that the SGX driver they chose for the n900 is _shit_ Jul 18 20:09:30 trumee: sorry you lost me Jul 18 20:09:39 DocScrutinizer: crap. my bad Jul 18 20:09:49 cause the n950 is proven to be much better and I don't think +100Mhz can explain that Jul 18 20:10:22 cehteh: actually it might be swap related, though I quit mappero and esp marble some 60 min before Jul 18 20:10:23 DocScrutinizer: i thought you were talking about flash killing konqueror whereas my konqueror was crashing! Jul 18 20:11:00 javispedro, the SGX driver in MeeGo CE already beats the SGX driver in Maemo, by far. Jul 18 20:11:01 DocScrutinizer: yes but the damaged pages are still swapped out (or maybe they are not even damaged but cant be swapped in in time) Jul 18 20:11:08 javispedro, I mean, that in Maemo5 Jul 18 20:11:14 gives some timing issues and borked graphics by that Jul 18 20:11:14 cehteh: device was next to unresponsive for intermittent timespans when I ran marble and mappero for 2h Jul 18 20:11:59 DocScrutinizer: create a temp swap file (256-512MB) enable that Jul 18 20:12:16 then turn main swap off (will take ages and freeze your device) Jul 18 20:12:31 and the reverse .. reneable main swap disable temp swap Jul 18 20:12:56 cehteh: I can't reproduce that - at least I haven't tried (and will not try today, as this was combined with a 2h walk :-D) Jul 18 20:13:05 that would should if swapping (timing) was the problem .. but not if erroneous data read/written to swap Jul 18 20:13:22 well mappero for me became unreliable after some time too Jul 18 20:13:38 i rarely use it anymore .. almost completely using monav for maps Jul 18 20:13:56 and sometimes modrana, not as mature yet but looks promising Jul 18 20:13:59 Creteil: ping Jul 18 20:14:11 hi thopiekar Jul 18 20:14:14 :-) Jul 18 20:14:49 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75034 Jul 18 20:15:13 cehteh: to me it seemed like marble was acting nasty, while mappero was mostly ok during that test. marble even segfaulted or dunno what Jul 18 20:15:54 thopiekar, but this is not a debian package ? Jul 18 20:16:07 it is in the tar.gz Jul 18 20:16:29 I much sympathise with javispedro 's explanation of SGX going mad another time Jul 18 20:16:30 let me see .. Jul 18 20:16:59 marble is pure software rendering without GL Jul 18 20:17:23 well, in this video there is no marble anywhere Jul 18 20:18:34 maybe too .. well X memory isnt locked into ram its swappable and if not swapped back in time then you get horrible artifacts Jul 18 20:18:54 and apps can cause memory leaks in X Jul 18 20:19:30 prolly all things together cause it, crappy driver which cant handle timeouts well Jul 18 20:19:33 but how would thse artifacts blank my screen after random periods, only leaving the most recently rendered items? Jul 18 20:20:27 swapping some buffers and hit the wall? Jul 18 20:20:40 and the device was working normally for ~1h prior to that effect appearing, and after I quit marble and mappero and hooked it up to charge the almost empty battery Jul 18 20:21:05 well this all is guesswork, i dont say my explanation is for sure Jul 18 20:25:52 after removing some apps in facebook.. at least the "Nokia N900" app and ZapLoc now chat is working again! Jul 18 20:27:41 eeew apps in facebook - I'm sure I don't want to learn what that means Jul 18 20:28:07 worms Jul 18 20:28:11 it means Jul 18 20:28:15 :P Jul 18 20:28:35 there was such a thing like apps on google wave(?) once Jul 18 20:29:59 was quite some fun to watch the whole thing turn and fire back eventually Jul 18 20:30:50 thopiekar, well, I need to go bed right know, but I gona check your package ... Jul 18 20:58:25 Venemo: see forum thread Jul 18 20:59:15 joppu, thanks! Jul 18 21:00:20 joppu, woohoo, it's sexy! :) Jul 18 21:00:45 joppu, thank you very much; could you please send me that as a transparent png? Jul 18 21:00:46 i edit file /var/lib/gconf/apps/ecoach/%gconf.xml, but it gets overwriten on next ecoach run Jul 18 21:01:05 is that app specific behavior? Jul 18 21:01:34 or maybe "gconf things just work so on maemo" thing? Jul 18 21:09:04 Noticed weirdness in editing Notes in Contacts. Jul 18 21:10:02 I have pretty long Notes in Contacts. When i press Enter in Notes, the screen isnt updated rightaway. Noticed it in CSSU only Jul 18 21:10:26 is that issue known? and assuming contacts is closed source, so cant be fixed Jul 18 21:18:18 hey all Jul 18 21:18:25 anyone got an ubertooth one? Jul 18 21:19:41 aaaaaaaaaaargh Jul 18 21:20:02 lennart seemingly has taken upon thyself to standardize Linux Jul 18 21:20:11 DocScrutinizer: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-new-configuration-files.html Jul 18 21:21:15 Venemo: http://joppu.kapsi.fi/stuff/memgametrans.png / http://joppu.kapsi.fi/stuff/memgametrans_64.png Jul 18 21:21:44 joppu, I will be forever thankful for this :) Jul 18 21:22:49 haha, it only took about 15 minutes to get done, not a big deal :) Jul 18 21:23:06 joppu, maybe, but I wouldn't have been able to do it at all Jul 18 21:25:04 joppu, do you mind if I put your name into the About dialog of the app? Jul 18 21:25:27 heh, sure thing Jul 18 21:26:37 ok, thanks Jul 18 21:27:37 javispedro: thanks, but no thanks. I only once a months check where the enemy is right ATM. And this day already passed for July Jul 18 21:27:54 ;-D Jul 18 21:28:16 too much poettering may be dangerous to your health, you know Jul 18 21:28:51 MohammadAG: do you still maintain phone-control? Jul 18 22:21:49 well, if everyting else fails, then just let's lennart and introduce the orientation daemon. API is dbus, apps will ask about orientation there and everything else the app devels don't need to care about Jul 18 22:22:25 pusblish this NOW, and hype it on the fora and ML, and in wiki Jul 18 22:23:10 ship an example app using it Jul 18 22:23:11 done Jul 18 22:23:25 dirty nasty ugly way to deal with things, but.... Jul 18 22:24:03 ooops ECHAN Jul 18 22:24:07 damn Jul 18 22:24:34 um, trying to use wiki.maemo.org/User:)oerg_rw/tools to enforce password for (sudo gain)root. i'm getting stuck at the first line (sed). i think it's to do with spacing or escaping. please help Jul 18 22:32:22 ~questions Jul 18 22:32:23 remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. Jul 18 22:35:06 does fmms allow you to recieve mms? it seems like it only sends them Jul 18 22:36:12 iirc it allows u to receive as well Jul 18 22:36:52 theres no send and recieve, shoudl they just pop up in the same list as the sent ones? Jul 18 22:38:05 s/:)/:J/ Jul 18 22:43:45 Sicelo: wait a minute (or 2) I'm soon back home Jul 18 22:45:33 :) will do so. u & i share same timezone afaik, so i always wonder how u managed to be active here at all times :P Jul 18 22:53:45 ok, here I am Jul 18 22:54:37 Sicelo_: lemme see what nonsense I spreaded there ;-) Jul 18 22:55:10 GunArm: u checked out MMS page on wiki? Jul 18 22:56:41 u will be to blame for bricking my device doc. :P Jul 18 22:57:06 Sicelo_: c&p those 4 lines (they are actually one line with continuation\ marks) to a xterm or ssh where you got root Jul 18 22:57:11 sed -e "s/Defaults env_reset/Defaults env_reset\nDefaults targetpw/;\ Jul 18 22:57:12 s+user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+user ALL =\ Jul 18 22:57:14 PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+" \ Jul 18 22:57:16 -i /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo Jul 18 22:57:30 Sicelo_: make SURE you know your root password prior to that Jul 18 22:59:08 Sicelo_: you as well can open the file /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo in your fav editor, and change the line Jul 18 22:59:37 user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot Jul 18 22:59:40 to Jul 18 23:00:19 user ALL =PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot Jul 18 23:00:26 and insert Jul 18 23:00:37 Defaults targetpw Jul 18 23:00:39 after Jul 18 23:00:47 Defaults env_reset Jul 18 23:01:14 then save the file Jul 18 23:01:25 and run update-sudoers Jul 18 23:02:40 bricked! Jul 18 23:02:42 Sicelo: though this isn't really trivial, it shouldn't usually result in a non-recoverable problem, even when you do something wrong Jul 18 23:02:49 oh, i mean, done Jul 18 23:02:49 Sicelo: HAHA Jul 18 23:03:00 thanks DocScrutinizer Jul 18 23:03:04 yw Jul 18 23:03:36 appreciate sb thinking same way about gainroot as I do Jul 18 23:04:43 Sicelo: where form was your problem? did you miss my recent edit? Jul 18 23:05:12 >>You should highlight a whole white box or at least a whole ยง beginning with ####line and insert the whole text as one chunk to your N900 or ssh remote terminal. I took care about long lines by continuation\ marks\ so don't break up a block that consists of lines ending with \<< Jul 18 23:05:15 i'm actually trying to see where i went wrong too Jul 18 23:06:26 once i got unknown command e, other time unsupported command A Jul 18 23:06:41 well... Jul 18 23:07:08 no clue :-D Jul 18 23:07:36 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/18/cern_cosmic_ray_gag/ (ot) Jul 18 23:07:51 seems like i was putting in an extra return after each line Jul 18 23:08:00 I probably should bang the thing to become a real shellscript, and put it there for download Jul 18 23:09:12 yeah, would make it easy for us noobs Jul 18 23:09:30 thanks for the feedback Jul 18 23:09:38 I'll ponder it Jul 18 23:14:06 prolly the script could ask for the root password first, try to login by itself, the do the rest. /me wonders if that's actually possible on N900 Jul 18 23:14:30 s/the/then/ Jul 18 23:14:31 Sicelo meant: prolly then script could ask for the root password first, try to login by itself, the do the rest. /me wonders if that's actually possible on N900 Jul 18 23:14:53 yay.. Jul 18 23:31:40 crashanddie, yo. Jul 18 23:33:18 ~doa Jul 18 23:33:19 from memory, doa is dead on arrival Jul 18 23:52:50 ups Jul 19 00:02:09 diamond ohio Jul 19 00:02:11 oops Jul 19 00:05:10 Sicelo: DOA? hope you got no problems! Yes that's possible on N900, no problem at all, and actually I'd implement it exactly that way anyway, when I create a script for it (which I probably should, as CSSU isn't approaching any prime time ready state obviously) Jul 19 01:17:24 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/5600mah-emergency-power-rechargeable-battery-pack-w-led-flashlight-head-cell-phone-adapters-91411 Jul 19 01:17:26 neat Jul 19 01:31:29 * ShadowJK sighs at t.m.o. normal theme not rendering properly in microb Jul 19 01:32:08 and the mobile theme has broken "Quote and reply" for PMs Jul 19 01:46:51 ShadowJK: for me the orange "normal" theme has invisible thanks and other buttons on KDE konqueror Jul 19 01:47:46 I stopped worrying since I changed to --classic light-- >1 year ago Jul 19 01:48:38 alas classic light theme seems to miss the message history for edited messages Jul 19 01:50:19 classic light doesn't have quoting or preview in PM :/ Jul 19 01:53:52 normal would be usable if left and right columns were gone Jul 19 01:54:04 or if middle was allowed to reflow or scroll Jul 19 01:54:17 instead of getting covered by right hand menu column **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 19 02:59:56 2011