**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 20 02:59:57 2011 Jul 20 03:00:11 in any case its a good thing when they make progress Jul 20 03:00:22 sure Jul 20 03:00:51 maybe some of our chinese friends could build a new batch of cases :P Jul 20 03:01:01 but the number of devies out in the wild will never reach any significant 3 digits number Jul 20 03:01:15 well it need some .. display, touchscreen and other hardware parts Jul 20 03:01:16 so even sw devels might ignore the whole platform Jul 20 03:01:43 yeah it was nice when announced but meanwhile its underspeced too Jul 20 03:02:01 things are just so slow .. and prolly it will be way to expensive Jul 20 03:02:49 you bet it will, for case and display alone yu shell out >200€ for a new GTA02 Jul 20 03:03:27 the concept is doomed to fail Jul 20 03:03:43 trumee: nope, no dealing with customs, DHL does it for you, but yeah, that adds an extra day to your shipping time :P Jul 20 03:03:48 at least for any MP Jul 20 03:04:06 hey DocScrutinizer Jul 20 03:04:07 what do you expect the gta04 motherboard to cost? 250€? Jul 20 03:04:20 sounds reasonable Jul 20 03:04:44 so for someone who has a device and wants a upgrade its reasonable Jul 20 03:04:57 not cheap but cheaper than a n9 ..and definately more fun Jul 20 03:05:20 not really - at least if you hate the poor quality of the touchpanel as much as I do Jul 20 03:05:38 if you have to buy a new case .. maybe even used then this looks worse of course Jul 20 03:05:45 yeah, probably more fun than N9 anyway Jul 20 03:05:47 i never had one :P Jul 20 03:07:07 well .. i think time will come and some other vendor will try a open concept Jul 20 03:07:39 the n900 wasnt really a fail economucally for nokia, everyone told me they sold more than they expected Jul 20 03:08:02 yup Jul 20 03:08:05 the fail was only their lack of support and direction Jul 20 03:08:28 and RMA ;-) Jul 20 03:08:42 by trying the same as apple does they will only be second or less after apple Jul 20 03:08:48 and that damned usb port Jul 20 03:09:11 are there really numbers about the usb port? how much devices failed? Jul 20 03:09:20 0.01% ? 1%? ... Jul 20 03:09:43 i mean people who experience that are louder than satisfied people where it doesnt fail Jul 20 03:09:43 I'd guess 10 rather than 1 Jul 20 03:09:49 maybe more Jul 20 03:10:01 anyways that shouldnt happen Jul 20 03:10:38 and well its kindof open secret that the n900 was a mere prototype/engineering sample which got marketized Jul 20 03:10:59 still not bad i like it Jul 20 03:11:28 that number about 10% fail rate counts in the dead modems etc though Jul 20 03:12:27 i didnt expect such a high number Jul 20 03:12:36 prolly i should care more for mine :P Jul 20 03:12:58 fix usb port before it breaks ... Jul 20 03:13:07 and it's mere handwaving and straight from my a... Jul 20 03:13:39 well i really think its too biased towards the loud complaining users Jul 20 03:13:57 see here in the channel where about 400 ppl some time ago Jul 20 03:13:58 i saw some eppoxied it to the board but havent heard if it helped it from snapping off Jul 20 03:14:12 I think a 2..5% are _normal_ for any such device Jul 20 03:14:17 and we had maybe a handful people who told about the broken usb Jul 20 03:14:29 lofty306: don't do that Jul 20 03:14:33 epoxy alone will not help Jul 20 03:14:34 it doesn Jul 20 03:14:38 t help at all Jul 20 03:14:42 im not gonna Jul 20 03:15:09 i figged it would maybe etch the traces or something Jul 20 03:16:05 not really .. epoxy neither glues to to the metal of the socket nor to the solder-stop-paint of the PCB Jul 20 03:16:14 it only soaks into the socket, clogging it Jul 20 03:17:01 what is the repair? refloat the board? use actual solder instead of surface mount paste? Jul 20 03:17:04 i am trained plastics worker, i know how i could fix it with epoxy .. but there is a easier way to enforce the soldering Jul 20 03:17:11 no need to refloat Jul 20 03:17:26 good Jul 20 03:17:48 that scares me everytime i have done it to something Jul 20 03:18:10 there are ground planes beneath the socket .. deisolate them and solder the socket there Jul 20 03:18:27 there are pictures on tmo Jul 20 03:18:34 cool Jul 20 03:18:40 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 Jul 20 03:18:55 (looks a bit ugly soldered :P) Jul 20 03:19:48 no uglier than structural welding Jul 20 03:19:53 :P Jul 20 03:20:24 lol Jul 20 03:20:54 * cehteh also learned brazing :) ... Jul 20 03:21:59 thnx for the link Jul 20 03:22:38 * cehteh should take a nap... Jul 20 03:25:45 where in folder camera in n900 when i plug it to my pc Jul 20 03:26:14 iluminator101: maybe .camera Jul 20 03:26:44 DCIM Jul 20 03:27:04 thank cehteh Jul 20 03:27:07 thanks cehteh Jul 20 03:27:53 for extra fun you can sshfs you@your-server.org: DCIM :) Jul 20 03:29:12 ha Jul 20 03:34:35 cu Jul 20 03:41:40 cya cehteh Jul 20 03:59:07 sigh @ ppl failing to hack into my server Jul 20 03:59:43 should really turn off these emails from my ids, its getting rater annoying.. Jul 20 04:33:36 hehe Jul 20 05:16:29 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Huawei-and-ZTE-adopting-Windows-Phone-7-because-of-patent-fears/ Jul 20 05:21:41 You can tell it doesn't infringe patents, because apparently it can't switch between landscape and protrait mode! Jul 20 05:42:22 good morning Jul 20 08:34:13 Morning, all Jul 20 09:11:08 hi all Jul 20 09:11:37 since starting this new work, I had no time to continue developping Jul 20 09:12:02 I still change my phone to gsm at work, then to dual at home Jul 20 09:12:16 wish the phone would do it , by itself Jul 20 10:07:58 ~moo Jul 20 10:07:58 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Jul 20 10:12:21 SpeedEvil: lol Jul 20 10:12:31 thanks for that link :) Jul 20 10:14:36 ~striptease Jul 20 10:14:37 Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? Jul 20 11:10:22 http://video.linux.com/video/2127 Jul 20 11:10:26 HAppy Birthday Jul 20 11:24:55 hmm anyone have anything nice to say about the WeTab ? Jul 20 11:26:11 ruskie: depends on your measure of "nice" Jul 20 11:26:30 well for me the top nice thing would be an always innovating touchbook v2 Jul 20 11:26:42 being able to hack it as much as I'd like Jul 20 11:26:53 having a ridiculous amount of autonomy Jul 20 11:26:55 and such like Jul 20 11:27:14 well then I guess wetab is closest I know yet Jul 20 11:27:33 well wetab2 claims 6 hours autonomy Jul 20 11:27:50 and it's an atom system :( Jul 20 11:27:56 there are laptops with more... Jul 20 11:28:09 atom is fine with me Jul 20 11:28:18 I'd prefer to go away from the broken x86 arch Jul 20 11:28:34 have a atom netbook and with custom kernel build got it down to 10W Jul 20 11:29:05 that is something many people would love to but still its the market Jul 20 11:30:07 something like asus eeepad transformer would be nice Jul 20 11:31:28 something like n950 in a bit larger scale (few cm more) and with a proper touchscreen Jul 20 11:31:47 I'm looking more for 10" Jul 20 11:31:57 don't plan on running around with it really Jul 20 11:31:57 make it even 10" Jul 20 11:32:02 just something to have at home really Jul 20 11:32:09 I am waiting for samsun TX100 Jul 20 11:32:22 and I want it hackable... Jul 20 11:32:36 this is why the touchbook looks nice to me Jul 20 11:32:53 usb ports to extend it, crapton of battery, 4 oses with live switching between them Jul 20 11:33:29 hmm asus has something in the pipline as well... asus eeepad slider Jul 20 11:37:47 hmm how about the viewpad? Jul 20 11:40:00 a friend suggested acer a500 iconia tab Jul 20 11:56:18 openpandora! Jul 20 11:56:32 kerio, don't want a gaming device Jul 20 11:56:55 it's not a gaming device! Jul 20 11:57:08 and it is rather tiny? Jul 20 11:57:22 size doesn't matter Jul 20 11:57:48 it does when you already have f... up eyes Jul 20 11:58:51 none of the devices you mentioned are proper nerd toys Jul 20 11:59:45 touchbook v2 Jul 20 12:01:31 anything with android is not a proper nerd toy Jul 20 12:02:07 have you looked at it? Jul 20 12:02:43 Nokia N900 Jul 20 12:02:47 Oh wait... Jul 20 12:03:05 On this channel, you guys know all about that <_< Jul 20 12:03:27 it has: own os, 'droid, chromeos, meego, ubuntu Jul 20 12:52:45 do you know where i can find "pnatd" sources? Jul 20 12:53:30 I'm 92.6% sure it's not open Jul 20 12:55:02 thank you Jul 20 12:55:09 and thank you nokia Jul 20 12:55:48 kama: it's like osso-backup Jul 20 12:55:58 only good when it's crappy closed -.- Jul 20 12:56:27 :/ Jul 20 13:04:32 I am working on a script for my n900 and I need to choose a random file from a directory. Usually I would use 'shuf' for this, but it doesn't seem to be available. Can anyone think of an alternative Jul 20 13:07:19 Could always port shuf to the n900 :P Jul 20 13:11:15 scoobertron: zenity Jul 20 13:11:40 scoobertron: is your script shell? Jul 20 13:12:17 or, if you want to go for shell only, maybe you could exploit mc with tweaked config files / user menues Jul 20 13:12:42 never heard of shuf though Jul 20 13:12:47 If you just need to pick a random file from a directory, in shell, there are builtins that do the job perfectly well Jul 20 13:12:59 DocScrutinizer: think "shuffle" Jul 20 13:13:15 Its ok, I have found a way using sed. It is a random wallpaper changing script to be run by alarmed. Jul 20 13:14:04 haha, nice "app" Jul 20 13:15:10 scoobertron: if none of the files will have spaces in, you can do it with: 'files=( $(ls) ); echo "${files[$(( $RANDOM % ${#files[@]} ))]}"' Jul 20 13:15:57 if you'd use a *proper* shell (like bash ;-D) you could use select Jul 20 13:16:04 it likely doesn't matter if it's just a wallpaper selector, but the builtin method will be much faster :-) Jul 20 13:16:14 DocScrutinizer: select wouldn't do the right thing :-) Jul 20 13:16:26 ooh, why not? Jul 20 13:17:09 DocScrutinizer: because they asked for a random thing from a list of things, not a user-selected thing from a list of things :-) Jul 20 13:17:32 sorry, you lost me Jul 20 13:17:48 DocScrutinizer: select will print a set of items for the user to choose Jul 20 13:17:58 orly? Jul 20 13:18:20 DocScrutinizer: the question as posed was to randomly choose one item from a set of items Jul 20 13:18:47 *sigh* Jul 20 13:22:52 hi Jul 20 13:24:18 anyone found out how to gain space on the rootfs ? Jul 20 13:24:50 because its getting full easily :s then you are stuck with update and app dl Jul 20 13:24:51 :s Jul 20 13:27:40 oh well, looks like my plan to figure out the encryption used for password protected osso-backup backups is a bust :P Jul 20 13:31:54 :/ Jul 20 13:32:06 e-bob: / is on a 256M device Jul 20 13:32:14 e-bob: you can't expand this device simply Jul 20 13:32:39 But usually if you're asking that question, you're doing it wrong. Jul 20 13:32:59 scoobertron: numitems=$(ls -l *.txt|wc -l); ls -l *.txt | head -n $((RANDOM % numitems + 1)) | tail -n 1 Jul 20 13:34:40 scoobertron: adapt the ls -l part to your liking Jul 20 13:35:43 scoobertron: maybe you want to use *.wallpaper rather than *.txt ;-) Jul 20 13:36:22 ~tell e-bob about optification Jul 20 13:36:29 echo |awk 'BEGIN{srand(systime());print ARGV[int(rand()*ARGC)];exit}' Jul 20 13:36:37 err - without the echo Jul 20 13:36:39 SpeedEvil: ubi0:rootfs 100% uses / Jul 20 13:39:18 e-bob: note that you're not only "stuck" but frequently in for a nice bootloop when rootfs really fills up to 100% and nothing gets freed for deleted files by garbage collection on next boot Jul 20 13:39:27 cool, thanks. I have it working now. Annoyingly though, I am using the portrait desktop thing, and if it is in portrait mode, the wallpaper gets cut off. If anyone knows a way to tell the script if the phone is in portrait mode that would be handy. Jul 20 13:39:53 errr Jul 20 13:40:16 setting a wallpaper shouldn't depend on orientation, no? Jul 20 13:41:16 it seems to be an issue with the portrait desktop support. The wallpaper is set in landscape mode, but the phone is in portrait, meaning the bottom is cut off. (if that makes sense) Jul 20 13:41:24 DocScrutinizer: it does. The wallpaper is drawn from (IIRC) the top left corner, and extends along the orientation-dependant "horizontal" axis Jul 20 13:41:29 I wonder if it works if the wallpaper is 800x800 Jul 20 13:41:57 (it is a solid colour so it doesn't matter if it doesn't join up properly) Jul 20 13:42:10 SpeedEvil: Jul 20 13:42:12 IroN900:~# awk 'BEGIN{srand(systime());print ARGV[int(rand()*ARGC)];exit}' A B C Jul 20 13:42:13 awk Jul 20 13:42:18 :-P Jul 20 13:43:45 s/int(rand()*ARGC)/int(rand()*ARGC)+1/. Jul 20 13:46:27 scoobertron: I bet that's some bug with wallpapers Jul 20 13:46:38 ....answering my own question. No, it makes no difference. Jul 20 13:46:54 scoobertron: does it "fix itself" when you rotate to landscape and back? Jul 20 13:47:25 DocScrutinizer: I believe a fix is in the pipeline. Nope, it stays broken when you rotate it back. Jul 20 13:47:55 then the set_wallpaper() function - whatever it is - is buggy Jul 20 13:48:56 you'll have to force display to landscape before calling set_wallpaper(), then go back to previous aroentation after setting new wallpaper Jul 20 13:49:22 ah, that would work. how would I do that? Jul 20 13:49:32 s/aroe/orie/ Jul 20 13:49:32 DocScrutinizer meant: you'll have to force display to landscape before calling set_wallpaper(), then go back to previous orientation after setting new wallpaper Jul 20 13:50:24 ask MohammadAG about orientation lock and how to "remote-control" it Jul 20 13:51:16 i'd like to ask about how to control orientation lock AT ALL. Jul 20 13:51:29 the line i tried in my QML didn't work :( Jul 20 13:51:48 ah right, sorry. the script runs in the background, I don't call it. Jul 20 13:52:04 rm_work: you're aware there's not really OOTB portrait support in m5? Jul 20 13:52:18 rm_work: Page { orientationLock: PageOrientation.LockPortrait } Jul 20 13:52:35 at least for qtcomponents... ;o Jul 20 13:52:55 m5? Jul 20 13:53:09 oh, maemo 5 Jul 20 13:53:24 sorry i'm referring to harmattan :P (dropped in right at the end of your convo) Jul 20 13:53:39 and the portrait support in CSSU afaik is x11 based Jul 20 13:53:46 frals: hrm mine was like portraitLock: true Jul 20 13:53:59 i think... it was a checkbox on the window in the designer Jul 20 13:54:10 i don't have the code in front of me currently Jul 20 13:54:30 rm_work: mhm, how would we do that on fremantle/m5? Jul 20 13:54:37 no idea Jul 20 13:54:44 it doesn't even work in m6 Jul 20 13:54:46 :P Jul 20 13:54:50 so why do you ask about it here then? Jul 20 13:54:58 erm Jul 20 13:55:08 because this is the maemo channel, and harmattan is still maemo? Jul 20 13:55:25 like i said, i dropped in at the very end of your convo so i had to infer Jul 20 13:55:28 afaik it's meego-harmattan Jul 20 13:55:38 is there even QML for m5? Jul 20 13:56:10 now that's a better question for here :-D Jul 20 13:56:15 lol Jul 20 13:56:39 you're really dead-set on banning harmattan talk here and moving it to #harmattan aren't you Jul 20 13:57:22 AIUI harmattan is still maemo, so saying just "Maemo" refers to both ;) Jul 20 13:57:24 it gets friggin confusing when users drp by here asking harmattan questions without considering completely different context Jul 20 13:58:56 here are at very least 126 users that can't answer your questions or even make sense of them Jul 20 13:59:26 probably way more Jul 20 13:59:45 well, for about the third time, i only got the very end of that convo Jul 20 13:59:52 just made a comment i thought was semi-related Jul 20 14:00:02 np :-D Jul 20 14:00:41 just trying to explain why I'm "dead-set" :-) Jul 20 14:00:58 Answering my own question, in case anyone cares - you can request the phone orientation with dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.get_device_orientation Jul 20 14:01:18 scoobertron: not really Jul 20 14:01:47 that's physical orientation, not user-screen-orientation, afaik Jul 20 14:03:01 unless this call always returns "landscape" for stock fremantle, modulo dialer is in portrait mode and on top Jul 20 14:04:43 That is true. So it stops the script running if I am holding the phone in portrait, but it fails if it is sat on a table portrait mode. Jul 20 14:05:18 aiui, you need a app screen to get X11 orientation, then check for dimensions.x > dimensions.y Jul 20 14:06:49 maybe there are better ways to get X11 notion of screen dimensions, without opening an app screen Jul 20 14:07:09 no idea about that, not my domain Jul 20 14:07:12 xrandr would be nice, but doesn't seem to be in the repos Jul 20 14:07:29 :sigh: yes, indeed Jul 20 14:26:19 wmctrl is in the repos, and wmctrl -d gives the dimensions of the desktop. Jul 20 14:27:45 does anyone round here know how i can create my own easydeb image? Jul 20 14:47:42 yo Jul 20 14:48:59 hello? Jul 20 14:49:17 where are the positions of the homescreeen widgets kept? Jul 20 14:49:58 i.e. if I had an identical set of weidgets oin one screen that I wanted to duplicate on another, what file/s would I copy/edit? Jul 20 14:50:07 gconf? Jul 20 14:50:10 I don't really remember Jul 20 14:50:21 you can have at most one copy of a widget on the home screens Jul 20 14:50:43 e.g. you can't have the same widget repeated on 1st and 2nd screens Jul 20 14:50:50 except in the case of widgets with multi instatntiation properties Jul 20 14:50:57 although some applets allow that, yes Jul 20 14:51:05 queen beecon widget for example Jul 20 14:51:17 (however you could argue it is still the 'same widget') Jul 20 14:51:35 anyway I am not here to argue Jul 20 15:06:51 and the portrait support in CSSU afaik is x11 based Jul 20 15:06:59 xrandr? no Jul 20 15:08:12 it wont be nokia if they used standard available features for that :P Jul 20 15:09:36 besides xrander wouldnt allow this flipping transition but the screen would flicker Jul 20 15:13:37 beside that xrandr support like that would defenitely be alot harder to implement Jul 20 15:15:36 MohammadAG: does that proprietary gfx driver support xrandr? Jul 20 15:15:47 yes Jul 20 15:15:56 neat, so it might be.. Jul 20 15:16:50 besides xrander wouldnt allow this flipping transition but the screen would flicker <-- indeed Jul 20 15:16:58 umm Jul 20 15:17:09 its a composited desktop Jul 20 15:17:26 doesnt need to flicker Jul 20 15:33:42 Out of interest, will my phone notify me when cssu updates, or should I hang out here more regularly? Jul 20 15:37:08 scoobertron: It will notify you Jul 20 16:07:52 now finally -> mtd_debug --help; for e.g. backup-menu Jul 20 16:08:29 also for backup of CAL etc Jul 20 16:08:44 seems like the appropriate tol for that Jul 20 16:08:47 tool* Jul 20 16:09:09 I recently installed the enhanced lockscreen package. I saw online that it was supposed to be customizable. does anyone know how? Jul 20 16:10:07 GAN900: Done the first stage of mid-week issue creation Jul 20 16:10:14 scoobertron: Code? Jul 20 16:14:36 IroN900:~# mtd_debug read /dev/mtd1ro 0 393216 CAL-backup.bin Jul 20 16:14:38 Copied 393216 bytes from address 0x00000000 in flash to CAL-backup.bin Jul 20 16:16:03 darn, I should create an app out of this ;-P Jul 20 17:09:28 hello Jul 20 17:10:17 I have a problem with my n900. how do I move 15GB worth of files from /usr/home to my PC? Jul 20 17:10:58 rm Jul 20 17:10:59 oh Jul 20 17:11:02 rsync Jul 20 17:11:50 cat syncphotos Jul 20 17:11:50 #!/bin/bash Jul 20 17:11:50 rsync phone://home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/* . Jul 20 17:11:51 I cant get onto the device through networking, sshd is screwed. Jul 20 17:11:54 ah Jul 20 17:12:05 Uninstall sshd, reinstall Jul 20 17:12:12 tinysmb is broken too. Jul 20 17:12:28 I think the networking stack or an important lib is screwed. Jul 20 17:12:44 libcelt Jul 20 17:13:57 I do apt-get upgrade openssh, it complains about libcelt0-0, libgsm1 and libjack0. Jul 20 17:14:27 jack is sound. Jul 20 17:14:31 I'd remove openssh and then install Jul 20 17:14:36 jack? Jul 20 17:14:42 I diddn't think the n900 had jack Jul 20 17:15:01 gsm1 is speech compressor Jul 20 17:17:42 roundyz: sounds all very odd. Try using USB mass storage mode Jul 20 17:17:53 ooops ~user Jul 20 17:18:25 honestly? I'd reflash COMBINED I guess Jul 20 17:18:53 MohammadAG: Jul 20 17:19:12 now finally -> mtd_debug --help; for e.g. backup-menu Jul 20 17:19:32 I can't use mass storage, as MyDocs is only 2 gig the rest is /home/user Jul 20 17:19:37 IroN900:~# mtd_debug read /dev/mtd1ro 0 393216 CAL-backup.bin Jul 20 17:19:38 Copied 393216 bytes from address 0x00000000 in flash to CAL-backup.bin Jul 20 17:20:13 MohammadAG: see what I did? :-D Jul 20 17:25:52 yeah, new flasher does that, or something like that :P Jul 20 17:27:22 no, mtd_debug does this Jul 20 17:28:53 I fixed the problem with apt now...reinstalled openssh server Jul 20 17:29:07 so I write back a backup of my CAL partition any time with mtd_debug write 0 393216 CAL-backup.bin Jul 20 17:29:11 is kernel-power good/bad? Jul 20 17:29:18 err Jul 20 17:47:30 roundyz, /home is 2 GB, so you can't possibly have 15 GB of data in there! Jul 20 17:48:03 /home/user/MyDocs is the 28 GB VFAT partition that you can access over USB mass storage Jul 20 17:48:22 mgedmin: Not true, My MyDocs is 2GB and my home is 28GB Jul 20 17:48:29 I swapped them over. Jul 20 17:48:36 oh, you hacker you :) Jul 20 17:48:42 lol Jul 20 17:48:46 lol Jul 20 17:49:29 to what extent is networking screwed? Jul 20 17:49:36 can you reach websites via microb, e.g.? Jul 20 17:49:48 well, I can use microb...just not ssh, smb... Jul 20 17:49:52 can you ping anything from your device? Jul 20 17:50:05 ssh -- is it sshd, or also ssh client that's screwed? Jul 20 17:50:26 yerh I can ping... Jul 20 17:50:40 defaul gw seems fine too Jul 20 17:51:50 /etc/resolv only has 127.0.0.1 in there though.. Jul 20 17:52:13 and I can't ping my laptop my ip. Jul 20 17:53:06 sounds like you don't have working network then Jul 20 17:53:38 I can connect to my server using it's external IP , but not the internal one... Jul 20 17:53:42 Strannnggg. Jul 20 17:54:21 then you aren't on your local wifi Jul 20 17:54:35 but I am Jul 20 17:54:42 then your local wifi is broken Jul 20 17:56:09 or restricted to only redirect out Jul 20 17:56:24 trying in tablet mode npow Jul 20 17:57:05 in what mode were you? Jul 20 17:57:14 roundyz /etc/resolv always has 127.0.0.1 Jul 20 17:57:32 ow yeah Jul 20 17:57:39 forgot it's using that stupid dnsmasq thing Jul 20 17:58:29 if you can ping your PC IP, you also can ssh to it, so you also can scp to it Jul 20 17:58:59 ooh you can't Jul 20 17:59:11 might be a AP / router issue Jul 20 17:59:30 out of interest, does anyone know if it is possible to remove the statusbar altogether from the homescreen? Jul 20 17:59:41 or dhcp failed to hand a lease to N900 Jul 20 18:00:27 scoobertron: wouldn't that quite semi-brick your system? Jul 20 18:00:50 brb going ot have to try to reboot router Jul 20 18:01:05 I've had weeeird wifi-related problems Jul 20 18:01:20 laptop can't ping my n900 when both are on the same wifi network Jul 20 18:01:27 I can ssh into my router and ping n900 there Jul 20 18:01:56 some routers forbid local-loopback Jul 20 18:01:57 router is running openwrt, maybe something bad happened to hostapd? I'm not clueful enough Jul 20 18:02:17 router at work -- same hardware, slightly older openwrt version -- everything works fine Jul 20 18:02:23 a month ago everything worked fine at home too Jul 20 18:02:27 time to reboot router maybe? Jul 20 18:02:36 well, that's just for reaching router's own public IP Jul 20 18:02:55 (loopback) Jul 20 18:03:19 DocScrutinizer: maybe. I can access the menu and the task switcher with the hardware buttons, and info about signal etc can be got through widgets. I am doing a bit of a homescreen overhaul, and I resent giving up a slot of screen space just for a tiny bar that contains one button and my battery icon. Jul 20 18:03:35 and cell signal Jul 20 18:03:55 OK rebooted router Jul 20 18:04:05 rebooting phone too Jul 20 18:04:17 scoobertron: I see your rationale but widgets aren't guaranteed to be there Jul 20 18:04:42 ah, so if something went wrong I could be in trouble... Jul 20 18:04:54 and I don't see how you reach sysmenu via kbd shortcut :-D Jul 20 18:05:55 I meant the application menu - I admit that the sysmenu would be a challenge Jul 20 18:05:59 :) Jul 20 18:06:01 Thank the lord!!!! Its back!!! Jul 20 18:06:20 Perhaps I cursed myself with that daring wallpaper of Bree Olson.... Jul 20 18:06:21 Have you tried turning it off and on again? Jul 20 18:06:35 mgedmin: ;) Jul 20 18:07:11 time to move over the files now I think.. Jul 20 18:07:31 incidentally, usb networking might be faster Jul 20 18:07:45 good point... Jul 20 18:07:57 if you select 'PC Suite' mode after plugging a cable, your laptop should find a USB Ethernet device Jul 20 18:07:58 pcsuite mode for that then.. Jul 20 18:12:54 roundyz: reflash Jul 20 18:13:07 that command looks neat DocScrutinizer. what is CAL? Jul 20 18:13:48 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 Jul 20 18:14:20 thanks. i have been googling, but didn't find that Jul 20 18:16:00 funny as the thread is called "What is CAL" Jul 20 18:17:16 Sicelo: I guess you also could save and restore kernels this way Jul 20 18:17:50 admittedly I haven't tried it yet Jul 20 18:18:23 but hey, what a debug tool was that if it didn't know to correctly do the "write" command? Jul 20 18:19:12 i see my problem was adding"n900" as a keyword too Jul 20 18:19:36 s/g"/g "/ Jul 20 18:19:36 Sicelo meant: i see my problem was adding "n900" as a keyword too Jul 20 18:19:55 note though that messing with kernel almost certainly will cause a bootloop if you don't exactly know your way around modules as well Jul 20 18:22:23 while killing CAL can actually finally brick your device - maybe Jul 20 18:22:42 mgedmin: Do I just configure using ifconfig with static ips? Jul 20 18:22:54