**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 23 02:59:57 2011 Jul 23 03:03:48 I looke, and couldn't find a vendor for bigger RAM Jul 23 03:04:52 heh, exactly what I am doing right atm, google kat00f00dd Jul 23 03:06:14 KBN00300RM-B437 KMXME0D0CM-B601 might be worth a look Jul 23 03:06:37 pimp my n900? Jul 23 03:06:40 Only some are available in the right ball package Jul 23 03:06:55 I vaguely remember kbn* don't fit Jul 23 03:09:42 HalifaxDailyDeals is now following me on Twitter. Jul 23 03:09:45 That's . . . interesting. Jul 23 03:13:32 casketizer: http://www.ersatzteil-service-24.de/?url=http://shop.euras.com/detailsseite2.php?redirect=1&pic=Y41070&vgl=1&g7=839472N Jul 23 03:20:54 GeneralAntilles: they do that so you follow them back Jul 23 03:25:46 But Halifax? Jul 23 03:26:03 I mean, I KNOW people there but don't live anywhere near. Jul 23 03:27:41 GAN900: they are stupid? :P\ Jul 23 03:30:19 DocScrutinizer,thx Jul 23 03:31:16 casketizer: extremely overprized, just to let yu know there *are* some sources, though really hard to find Jul 23 03:32:13 I stumbled into this one while searching for katfoot Jul 23 03:32:20 err catfood Jul 23 03:32:31 kat00f00dd Jul 23 03:32:57 25 :=O Jul 23 03:33:33 yeah, and this is Reichelt it seems, usually has good deals Jul 23 03:34:00 reichert Jul 23 03:34:07 != reichelt or Jul 23 03:34:15 anyway it has none of all the ... oooh reichert Jul 23 03:35:28 i think i rather mark my keys with an edding lol Jul 23 03:35:31 leally thele is a fail bit of diffelence ;-) Jul 23 03:35:44 light Jul 23 03:38:57 time for brinner, bbl Jul 23 03:39:21 and Jul 23 03:39:24 time for 12648430 ☕ Jul 23 08:15:00 Hey guys, does anyone know if the N900 supports SPI mode on the SD card? Jul 23 08:16:09 I'm just wondering if it might be possible to hide a second microSD card in there somewhere, and connect it either to an adaptor, or to some of those debug pins under the battery. Provided you had a Mugen cover, you'd have plenty of room... Jul 23 08:17:39 robbiethe1st: I'd suggest to read the TRM for the 34xx series to get an idea what's possible Jul 23 08:19:46 ok Jul 23 08:19:56 Uh... 34xx series of *what* Jul 23 08:20:03 TI omap3 Jul 23 08:20:16 The SD card's connected directly? Jul 23 08:20:31 yes Jul 23 08:25:34 I am using Calibre to convert PDF into EPUB, but I do not know what size ( or output type ) should I choose for N900. Do you have a good suggest ? ( I find that there are margins in settings, all of them are 5.0pt ) Jul 23 08:27:13 I have tried to convert PDF with "Default Input Profile" type. but all of them can not be opened by "Mebook" Jul 23 08:27:54 epub is just a zipped xhtml with some metadata... if an app support epub it should be able to open it and reflow it... irrelevant of what you pick Jul 23 08:29:33 ruskie: I guess that the output size that converted is not suitable for Mebook, because N900 size or Mebook Oriented. Jul 23 08:30:02 as said shouldn't matter Jul 23 08:30:12 epub is not fixed size Jul 23 08:30:23 it's reflowable Jul 23 08:30:36 so it will adjust to whatever screen size Jul 23 08:32:25 ruskie: oh, so you guess which reason will cause Mebook can't open converted PDF ? Jul 23 08:32:54 have you tried oppening that epub with fbreader? Jul 23 08:32:59 on th desktop as well as on the device? Jul 23 08:34:20 ruskie: Let me test it. Jul 23 08:42:05 ruskie: can not Jul 23 08:42:42 then the pub might be damaged Jul 23 08:42:49 erm epub even Jul 23 08:43:29 ruskie: you mean that a good PDF is converted into damaged EPUB ? Jul 23 08:43:41 possible Jul 23 08:44:21 ruskie: but I have tried three different PDF file. all same result. Is there some other reason ? Jul 23 08:44:38 lack of tools to do conversion? Jul 23 08:45:05 ruskie: yes, only calibre do this. Jul 23 08:45:18 calibre uses external tools for some stuff Jul 23 08:45:48 ruskie: I readed a part of manual on site, it use plugin to do conversion. Jul 23 08:46:06 try running any2epub or is it anytoepub cmd line tool from it Jul 23 08:46:13 that should atleast show what is happening Jul 23 08:46:23 ruskie: Do you know other stuffs do those cnversion ? I want to read books on N900. Jul 23 08:46:35 not really Jul 23 08:47:10 ruskie: no this command, I use man -k an2epub Jul 23 08:47:10 I rarely need to do conversions since I get epubs already Jul 23 08:47:40 ??? Jul 23 08:47:46 ruskie: you want to convert epub to other format ? Jul 23 08:47:53 no Jul 23 08:48:25 ruskie: my english is poor, I guess i misunderstand your meaning. Jul 23 08:48:49 do you run: any2epub file.pdf file.epub ? Jul 23 08:49:03 or do you run calibre -> select pdf file -> convert to epub ? Jul 23 08:49:46 ruskie: no command any2epub and anytoepub Jul 23 08:49:54 erm Jul 23 08:50:01 you don't have that command? Jul 23 08:50:06 ruskie: I convert with that select, and cnvert Jul 23 08:50:12 hmm Jul 23 08:50:22 maybe you need to install some extra stuff... Jul 23 08:50:30 been a while since I looked at this Jul 23 08:50:57 ruskie: what extra stuff ? I will install Jul 23 10:46:18 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1056727#post1056727 Jul 23 10:46:24 dohoho, it werks Jul 23 11:21:55 so does this lockscreen replace the stock lockscreen or just sit on top of it? Jul 23 11:22:35 no, same as mine Jul 23 11:22:56 So no-one seems to be interested in all the info I have for lockscreen replacement then? :P Jul 23 11:23:10 Or is it just that no-one has yet had the time to try and play with it? :P Jul 23 11:23:16 no, I just suck at C :P Jul 23 11:23:34 :) Jul 23 11:23:47 actually, C's fine, I suck at gobject Jul 23 11:24:49 ok Jul 23 11:28:15 anyone know what happens (in the UK) if Nokia replaces your n900, and the USB port falls out again? Jul 23 11:28:22 is it still covered? Jul 23 11:30:51 I personally don't think Nokia will give you a replacement N900. Not that I live in the UK but I think there's a scarce supplies of spare N900 available Jul 23 11:31:28 they did replace mine just a couple of months ago Jul 23 11:31:59 first they said it was out of stock, and i could have one of those symbian N-series things instead, or wait. so i waited. Jul 23 11:33:23 nice that they have that option instead Jul 23 11:33:49 *YAAAAAAWN* Jul 23 11:39:19 BCMM: they don't replace it anymore Jul 23 11:39:33 BCMM: you get N8 instead Jul 23 11:40:08 that's what they offered me Jul 23 11:40:22 i supposed one could always sell it and obtain an n900 Jul 23 11:49:04 ask for an N9 instead :) Jul 23 11:50:16 or N950 Jul 23 11:50:17 ;) Jul 23 11:51:18 get the E7, not the N8 Jul 23 11:51:23 it sells for more Jul 23 11:52:08 hmm, wonder if nokia will replace N900 for N9 once it comes out Jul 23 11:52:28 give them the missing features, mobile computer, linux excuses Jul 23 11:52:37 oh, and the storage Jul 23 11:52:42 dont forget the storage Jul 23 11:53:35 but keyboard! Jul 23 11:54:19 jacekowski: moin Jul 23 11:55:00 jacekowski: do you know *anything* about wl1271/3? Jul 23 11:55:24 BCMM, screw keyboard if software keyboard has same tactile as N8 and other new touchscreen nokias Jul 23 11:55:44 Linux is fun, symbian is crap for fun Jul 23 11:56:13 uhum Jul 23 11:57:12 is this still linux when it's drowned in sticky aegis-sauce? Jul 23 11:57:23 DocScrutinizer, yes Jul 23 11:57:30 software is replaceable anyways Jul 23 11:57:40 but for now, enjoy the sliding Jul 23 11:57:44 suuuuure Jul 23 11:57:48 Software is replacable - given enough effort. Jul 23 11:58:01 Hurrian: what does "tactile" mean in this context? Jul 23 11:58:04 And effort - even community effort isn't free. Jul 23 11:58:13 unless it means i can actually use it with my eyes shut; meh. Jul 23 11:59:30 BCMM : tactile = $600 dildo mode Jul 23 11:59:40 heh. Jul 23 12:00:26 just busted my ears and brain with nothing any more ambitious than simply finding out about alsa mixer settings - and I'm used to friggin complex mixers like wm8753, so n950 shouldn't shock me. It did :-P Jul 23 12:01:28 SpeedEvil: CTune TX - in ALSA ;-P Jul 23 12:01:49 * MohammadAG needs to find a way to remove all audio limits on headphones Jul 23 12:02:00 I'm sure the N900 has some limits on those Jul 23 12:02:11 it definitely has Jul 23 12:03:37 why? Jul 23 12:04:20 there was a huge tmo thread on it, I think to prevent speakers from exploding or something Jul 23 12:04:26 getting damaged Jul 23 12:06:28 nah, for protecting your ears and saving Nokia from lawsuits about injury done by their devices Jul 23 12:07:04 iPods have exactly same protection Jul 23 12:08:10 I wish it'd recognize that I'm connecting it to an amp rather than headphones Jul 23 12:08:17 my laptop doesn't Jul 23 12:08:25 psycho_oreos, speakers, sure, headphones, doubt it Jul 23 12:10:08 MohammadAG, *shrugs* limitations for sounds on N900 is rather ambiguous :) but granted that speakers would be definite. Though I think there was a workaround hack via messing with equaliser to get a bit more louder response (no idea if it actually bypasses the limits for speakers, etc) Jul 23 12:10:47 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63997 Jul 23 12:11:39 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/23/cellular_hijacking/ Jul 23 12:13:47 DocScrutinizer, that bypasses speaker protection Jul 23 12:14:04 I'm just interested in a higher software level, since my amp can take it Jul 23 12:14:22 (a laptop connected to it is way louder, but I cba to carry a laptop on me) Jul 23 12:15:58 MohammadAG: well, then you had a better insight into what it actually does and how than me Jul 23 12:20:31 MohammadAG, re: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1056806 Permission to PM? :) Jul 23 12:22:46 Pali, tuxsavvy (on tmo amongst other maemo.org ID) = me :) Jul 23 12:29:02 haha, blaming stskeeps for not cooperating when it comes to ignoring Nokia's (C) :-P Jul 23 12:29:16 how silly is that? un_abill Jul 23 12:29:51 ahoy Jul 23 12:29:57 Some tmo members have clearly been driven insane by Nokia's handling of community Jul 23 12:30:06 while pali got mentioned - anybody tested PK47 for regressions? Or at least checked it fixes the known flaws of 46? Jul 23 12:30:09 Ok, ok, some were insane to begin with Jul 23 12:30:27 LOL# Jul 23 12:30:54 RST38h: you wouldn't believ what's running in a cronjob on my server box Jul 23 12:31:42 just I know there *are* already mirrors of fremantle repos, and afaik even ones that don't ever delete packages Jul 23 12:32:29 so I thought it's a shame when harmattan has some source tarballs for 24h then they get revoked ;-) Jul 23 12:32:56 to be prepared is better than being sorry afterwards for missing out :) Jul 23 12:33:59 [jr@lagrange ~]$ du -sh nokia/harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ Jul 23 12:34:00 4.5G nokia/harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ Jul 23 12:34:55 psycho_oreos, permission to PM from who? Jul 23 12:35:22 all hail to cp -al for this Jul 23 12:35:32 MohammadAG, permission to PM you (not on forum but here on IRC) from me :) Jul 23 12:35:57 o.O Jul 23 12:36:46 .oO(???) Jul 23 12:36:48 looks like we all could contribute to a huge tarball of all the maemo stuff ;) Jul 23 12:37:05 nah, raising of eyebrows :) Jul 23 12:37:54 DocS: is that mostly plaintext? Jul 23 12:38:14 that's a plain wget Jul 23 12:38:28 should compress well then Jul 23 12:38:45 *shrug* Jul 23 12:38:56 would defeat the daily cp -la Jul 23 12:40:49 also a find probably wouldn't yield results in real 0m0.160s user 0m0.024s sys 0m0.038s Jul 23 12:42:33 rsync ftw ;) Jul 23 12:42:40 and the daily update would just get EEEEW Jul 23 12:42:45 hahaha Jul 23 12:43:19 I could ask Elop for a shh account Jul 23 12:43:30 ssh* Jul 23 12:43:38 lol Jul 23 12:44:15 instead of that, you should ask him to release all the previous maemo binary blobs ;P that would be a life saver for the entire maemo dev community ;) Jul 23 12:44:34 err release the source of previous maemo binary blobs* Jul 23 12:45:07 they must have really decent control over their assets huh Jul 23 12:45:31 they're paranoid, period :) Jul 23 12:45:35 with all the disgruntled nokia staffs, there hasn't been any leaks or that sort Jul 23 12:45:44 what really sucks with wget mirroring are the useless changes in dynamically generated .html Jul 23 12:46:03 well not as yet, hopefully someone will fix them up for good Jul 23 12:46:05 or maybe they're still going along with nokia's whims until the n9 gets its fair chance at the market... if that gets closed down, though... Jul 23 12:46:39 I would stake my reputation as a programmer that there is no chance that Nokia will EVER release the source code to the Fremantle blobs like the cellular stack, dialer/conversations, cellular status widgets, Fremantle MCE etc etc Jul 23 12:46:52 jonwil , agreed Jul 23 12:47:05 do they even have the fremantle source? Jul 23 12:47:13 lol Jul 23 12:47:16 might have even been thrown out Jul 23 12:47:25 jon, is there any non-open (licensed) codes within those parts? Jul 23 12:47:26 securely deleted :/ Jul 23 12:47:27 hi hurrian Jul 23 12:47:43 have a hard time its been deleted considering the investment to produce it ;) Jul 23 12:47:57 I suspect they still have the Fremantle versions of at least those packages that exist in Harmattan Jul 23 12:48:02 frals, they flushed 70% of it down the toilet after Harmattan Jul 23 12:48:15 anyways, nokia's kept cell-communication software a super seekrit before ofono Jul 23 12:48:15 I doubt they would throw away old versions from their version controls Jul 23 12:48:33 if you say so Jul 23 12:48:43 Regarding leaks, there have been pieces here and there that have appeared for various reasons (like the Diablo MCE leak) but any leak of anything significant would be quickly pounced on by Nokia Jul 23 12:49:00 And anyone using or distributing the results of such leaks would be sued for copyright violations Jul 23 12:49:03 Hurrian: probably because nokia has the best *phones* in the world? ;) Jul 23 12:49:05 frals, considering the investment in the tablet line, it was pretty hard to believe that N9 was the last "you may buy this legally" device Jul 23 12:49:37 investment in tablet line <- ?? Jul 23 12:49:48 Nokia 770, N8x0, N900 Jul 23 12:49:51 its hard to know where Nokia is exactly heading with that Flop on the head of that bull Jul 23 12:49:54 jonwil: now I disagree Jul 23 12:50:14 using is definitely legal Jul 23 12:50:29 at least in my country Jul 23 12:50:35 redistribution or modification would be illegal Jul 23 12:50:42 N950 being released to devs, whilst they say there will only be one Meego device. They claimed the Meego device to be possibly a tablet but now it turns out to be N9 Jul 23 12:51:00 no, even modification is completely legal and even hardly noticable Jul 23 12:51:25 DocScrutinizer: regardless of the license on the original work? Jul 23 12:51:25 redistribution though has to be hosted in Russia ;-P Jul 23 12:52:03 DocScrutinizer, i'm sure there are a lot of tmo users who would be able to do so Jul 23 12:52:36 frals: yes, as our lawyers are not so nuts to outlaw things they know exactly they never have a chance to find out about Jul 23 12:53:07 in any case there isn Jul 23 12:53:21 isn't a huge chance of seeing any of this stuff so lets stop talking about it Jul 23 12:53:29 and RE is legal here, no matter what's written in the contract Jul 23 12:53:52 so is modification Jul 23 12:54:22 you're waiting for a train, a train that will take you far away, you don't know where this train will take you, but you also don't know when the train will come Jul 23 12:54:45 what will you do when I write a sed alike loader that modifies on the fly on each load Jul 23 12:54:46 ? Jul 23 12:55:02 frankly, by this time maemo community should've freaked out and started writing replacements for closed maemo components Jul 23 12:55:14 ...excluding 3rd party crap like flash and cherry Jul 23 12:55:29 we don't need to wait for nokia to give us the sauce Jul 23 12:55:46 especially after feb 2011 Jul 23 12:55:53 Hurrian: we *all* did, just your contribution still missing ;-P Jul 23 12:55:59 I think the problem is, many people have moved onto MeeGo or Harmattan Jul 23 12:56:43 Also, there is basically no-one left in the community with the deep level skills to figure out many of the unknown things like unknown dbus interfaces, unknown libraries etc Jul 23 12:57:37 jonwil: You are finding this unusual? Jul 23 12:57:38 DocScrutinizer , trying to figure out python, then moving to c, then cpp Jul 23 12:58:11 The only thing I see that stops us from replacing the Fremantle cell stack with ofono is that we dont know the dbus interface exposed by the CSD daemon and its plugins Jul 23 12:58:24 jonwil , sadly, according to the posts as of late, a lot of the talent from pre-fremantle has gone with the wind Jul 23 12:58:32 yeah its sad Jul 23 12:58:46 many of the people who used to do cool shit on the NITs have gone Jul 23 12:59:12 jonwil, maybe you should concentrate on some more forward-looking things? Jul 23 12:59:23 like what forward looking things? Jul 23 12:59:32 I mean, Fremantle is kinda dead. It is not easy to port outside the N900 for example... Jul 23 12:59:37 jonwil: Want an idea? Jul 23 12:59:38 I have no interest whatsoever in Harmattan, MeeGo, the N950 or the N9 Jul 23 12:59:43 ok, give me an idea Jul 23 13:00:16 jonwil: Create a build (of whatever, Meego, Debian, etc) that will work on any generic Android phone and be usable by end users Jul 23 13:00:31 I have no interest in Android either Jul 23 13:00:33 jonwil: Does not have to be a copy of Fremantle Jul 23 13:00:47 actually, the way fremantly is done, blows, and will probably have to be scrapped Jul 23 13:00:47 jonwil: I said *Android phone* - not interested in the Android itself Jul 23 13:00:53 fremantle-hildon-desktop OTOH Jul 23 13:01:01 now that's worth porting Jul 23 13:01:02 I am not interested in Android phones either Jul 23 13:01:12 jonwil: But think of it: anyone will be able to buy an HTC phone and install Maemo on it Jul 23 13:01:22 @RST38h - doesnt have to be maemo Jul 23 13:01:23 Pretty much all Android phones are too locked down for my tastes Jul 23 13:01:26 jonwil: This way, you will not longer have to rely onto Nokia hw Jul 23 13:01:31 i want my fremantle hildon desktop Jul 23 13:01:47 Hurrian: Well, it will probably still end up being Maemo or Meego like, due to the use of components from these Jul 23 13:02:01 rst38h, we only need gtk Jul 23 13:02:09 jonwil: They are mostly hackable Jul 23 13:02:15 dialer? can be rewritten for $CALL_STACK Jul 23 13:02:16 Hurrian: I would say QML Jul 23 13:02:20 Before you can think of Linux on Android phones, you need GPU blobs Jul 23 13:02:26 gtk is based on hildon according to wikipedia Jul 23 13:02:36 rst38h, hildon desktop redone in Qt? Jul 23 13:02:39 Hurrian: Not because I love QML or hate GTK, but mostly because QML UI is much easier to maintain Jul 23 13:02:40 oshi- Jul 23 13:02:53 that would be so transition-rich Jul 23 13:03:01 jonwil: We can live with GPU blobs Jul 23 13:03:01 and the UI is based on matchbox according to wikipedia as well Jul 23 13:03:03 you also need cell modem blobs Jul 23 13:03:10 and you need wifi blobs Jul 23 13:03:13 and bluetooth blobs Jul 23 13:03:15 jonwil: No way to do cell stuff with ofono? Jul 23 13:03:23 jonwil: bt/wifi is standard on those phones Jul 23 13:03:28 no need for bt/wifi blobs usually Jul 23 13:03:33 I think it's time for this once again ;-P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrlkvOD_Vuc Jul 23 13:03:44 orite, android phones usually have blobs compiled against bionic Jul 23 13:03:48 could be a problem Jul 23 13:03:58 jonwil: So, yes, you end up with the need for 3d and cell blobs, but otherwise it should be ok Jul 23 13:04:29 yep, the #1 problem with Linux on Android handsets (rather than custom Android on Android handsets) is that Android is NOT linux Jul 23 13:04:31 DocScrutinizer, nice link, video is blocked due to my country, going to have to use proxies :) Jul 23 13:04:32 it uses the Linux kernel Jul 23 13:04:42 RST38h , therefore expensive android phones turn into NITs from 2008 Jul 23 13:04:45 but it uses a totally different userland Jul 23 13:04:56 including a totally different libc Jul 23 13:05:10 no hardware ui acceleration, no phone functionality Jul 23 13:05:12 ouch Jul 23 13:05:50 jonwil: this is fixable by installing Meego core os instead Jul 23 13:05:54 if using maemo on droidphones was like using nitdroid on n900, i'd just keep scavenging parts for my n900 for the next 20-30 years Jul 23 13:06:00 jonwil: Which btw is already done for many of these phones Jul 23 13:06:18 Except that the binary blobs for the phones are linked to the Android userland and libc and etc Jul 23 13:06:25 and not glibc like you need for Linux Jul 23 13:06:42 jonwil: the binary blobs you need are pretty low level stuff, I am sure one can make them work Jul 23 13:06:53 Fake the runtime for them just far enough for them to work Jul 23 13:07:04 even the ABI may be different IIRC Jul 23 13:07:15 I am not even sure if these binary blobs even require anything from the OS Jul 23 13:07:26 ARM ABIs are generally the same Jul 23 13:07:30 RST38h, in before a fake blob being a wrapper around the real blob, since said blob uses subset of glibc Jul 23 13:07:31 They are standard Jul 23 13:07:34 in any case good luck finding a GPU blob for any Android phones that will work with Linux and X Jul 23 13:07:47 Ok, do it *without* the GPU. Jul 23 13:07:57 Is frame buffer enough for you? Jul 23 13:09:24 The other problem is that many Android phones contain locked bootloaders that require nasty hacks to unlock (or cant be unlocked at all in the case of e.g. many Motorola handsets) Jul 23 13:09:28 hmm, framebuffer OR llvmpipe on brand new dual 1GHz phone, with the framebuffer driver cutting non-existent battery life in half Jul 23 13:09:30 so you just cant run any custom kernels Jul 23 13:09:32 n-nope Jul 23 13:09:45 jonwil, the nexus phones then Jul 23 13:09:53 or samsung's high end Jul 23 13:09:55 I just dont care about Android Jul 23 13:09:59 or Android phones Jul 23 13:10:07 what I care about is the phone I own, the N900 Jul 23 13:10:19 and the OS it runs, Maemo Fremantle Jul 23 13:10:24 I care about making it better Jul 23 13:10:47 jonwil, as somebody already said, the n900's are not long for this world Jul 23 13:11:01 hw failure is inevitable Jul 23 13:11:07 Basically, even with all these limitations, you can still find MORE suitable Android hw than a single N900 Jul 23 13:11:17 which os are we jumping to when the n900's are gone? Jul 23 13:11:53 Once my N900 dies (which wont be for ages assuming I treat it with the same care I am currently doing) I will evaluate whats out there Jul 23 13:11:57 and make a decision then Jul 23 13:12:07 but until that happens, I intend to continue making Fremantle better Jul 23 13:12:15 there's a lot of nice phones with better specs than the n900 with roughly the same terrible battery life, the only problem is android Jul 23 13:12:42 btw, even the Nexus S (the most open Android phone) has a Broadcomm blob for WiFi, Bluetooth and GPS, an ImgTech blob for the GPU, a NXP blob for the NFC and a Samsung blob for the cell modem comms Jul 23 13:13:06 Oh yeah the other problem is that NONE of the android phones with the hardware features I want (physical keyboard specifically) are any good when it comes to openness Jul 23 13:13:26 you know.. we could spend hours on end bashing android constantly, but what's even worse is if there's no android we'd be stuck here with openmoko or iphone/wp7/blackberry without maemo/meego Jul 23 13:13:43 openmoko was cool Jul 23 13:13:51 @tuxsavvy, completely right Jul 23 13:13:58 hmm, we're seeing a spectrum here Jul 23 13:14:18 OM = maximum open-ness Jul 23 13:14:48 oh, we're talking about the OS as you see it on hw produced btw Jul 23 13:15:09 Android = rainbows of openness, mostly locked down to the bootloader Jul 23 13:15:10 Maybe when my N900 finally dies, we will have a Motorola Milestone 3 with a nice physical keyboard and no software locks (Motorola have said they want to remove the software locks and that its the carriers that are insisting on the locks)\ Jul 23 13:15:31 Or some other Android phone with good physical keypad and no software locks Jul 23 13:15:45 before i picked up a n900, i had a HD2 Jul 23 13:16:03 I have already decided to boycott HTC because of their endless GPL violations when it comes to the Android kernel on device after device Jul 23 13:16:04 runs every mobile OS, just needed a keyboard Jul 23 13:16:23 jonwil, wasnt a fan of the htc android devices Jul 23 13:16:44 Motorola would get my support if they released a device with no software locks Jul 23 13:17:08 jonwil, i'd be happy if they just had no motoblur bs Jul 23 13:17:17 wishful thinking upon nexus s+? ;) Jul 23 13:17:29 err nexus s2 or whatever would be upcoming Jul 23 13:17:48 there's so much computing power on the new android phones that you can easily just run a chroot Jul 23 13:17:57 but motoblur is awful Jul 23 13:18:10 The other thing I like about my N900 that you cant get on Android is the nice touchscreen Jul 23 13:18:29 I have used other touchscreen phones including HTC Desire and they sucked compared to N900 Jul 23 13:18:39 because N900 has nice stylus for precision touching Jul 23 13:18:43 works much better than fingers Jul 23 13:19:07 jonwil, it goes hand in hand with the desktop webpages Jul 23 13:19:13 that's called resistive.. the others have capacitative (mostly) Jul 23 13:19:14 ...and Easy Debian Jul 23 13:19:25 in any case its immaterial as I have no plans to replace my N900 for at least 2-3 years Jul 23 13:19:37 unless it somehow breaks in a way that cant be fixed Jul 23 13:19:47 and buying a replacement is impossible for some reason Jul 23 13:20:05 or is so expensive that buying something new is better Jul 23 13:31:49 but in any case if the N900 was truly dead, you wouldn't have anyone contributing to the CSSU in the way they are Jul 23 13:36:40 N900 is dead apart from the maemo community contributions Jul 23 13:43:49 I created wiki page with all closed fremantle packages: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages Jul 23 13:43:59 Maybe will be usefull for somebody Jul 23 13:50:36 Hello! What cellphones run Maemo? I could only find Nokia N900... Jul 23 13:50:57 That's it flecha. Jul 23 13:51:05 Well - release at the moment. Jul 23 13:51:15 is it a good buy for today? Jul 23 13:51:16 There is one upcoming one that is debatably maemo. Jul 23 13:51:21 It depends. Jul 23 13:51:33 You can only buy it second hand, or as the last dregs of stock. Jul 23 13:51:40 And there is no warranty service available. Jul 23 13:51:56 hum.. Jul 23 13:51:58 Yeah, they can be found at some good deals now Jul 23 13:51:58 If you want a reasonably open linux phone, it's probably the least bad choice. Jul 23 13:52:07 btw, welcome flecha Jul 23 13:52:16 hi, ysss =) Jul 23 13:52:18 Though your definition of 'open' may mean that other platforms qualify. Jul 23 13:52:33 yes... I wanteed something "open" Jul 23 13:52:40 I personally, for example, don't count any platforms that require 'rooting' - however easy that process is. Jul 23 13:52:43 Maemo was the closest one Jul 23 13:53:10 Maemo requires rooting? Jul 23 13:54:02 hey, i am looking for a way to connetc my n900 to a vpn. openvpn doesn't seem to work without a config file. strongswan or openconnect have no option to enter the preshared l2tp key :/ Jul 23 13:54:47 What about Meego? Jul 23 13:54:55 is it out? Jul 23 13:55:00 Flanbix: No, just install a sudo package to get it. Jul 23 13:55:07 I found no cellphone with it in Brazil... =/ Jul 23 13:56:10 Flanbix: the N9/N950 is just starting to get the initial development units out, and Nokia has committed to abandoning the platform as soon as it's released, such a shame. Jul 23 13:56:45 hanning1, can't yu make an openvpn config file? Jul 23 13:58:09 hm Jul 23 13:58:38 theres no documentation for using openvpn to connect to this vpn Jul 23 13:58:55 the windows-client itself is not much of a help ;) Jul 23 14:31:53 DocScrutinizer: so, I was able to run fsck on my MyDocs partition. it truncated the file that I knew already to be corrupt... So now the interesting part. On the phone (photos app) I can see all the photos past the corrupt one, I can even manually email them to myself and they appear to be full sized, good looking images. However when I ssh into the N900 (or USB mount the MyDocs partition on my computer) there are no files Jul 23 14:31:53 with a filename greater than 20110719_023.jpg... Am I being emailed "thumbprints" (stored in the eMMC) of the full-size photos that were never properly written to the DCIM dir? Jul 23 15:39:19 admiral0 Jul 23 15:40:25 hey Jul 23 15:42:29 hhh Jul 23 15:42:29 Can i update adobe flash on nokia n900??? Jul 23 15:42:37 no Jul 23 15:42:46 No? Jul 23 15:42:58 yes Jul 23 15:43:01 there is no update Jul 23 15:43:10 You can't. Jul 23 15:43:53 I have lot of videos that they put me to update flash Jul 23 15:44:02 What can i do? Jul 23 15:44:09 Nothing? Jul 23 15:44:36