**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 25 02:59:57 2011 Jul 25 04:01:32 so is nokia going to sell any n950s? Jul 25 04:04:02 no. you have to sign a petition for it and hope more than 1 million people respond Jul 25 04:04:38 haha Jul 25 04:04:45 and then for 1200Eur Jul 25 04:08:21 http://www.pcworld.com/article/230795/nokia_n9_why_you_shouldnt_buy_this_device.html Jul 25 04:08:24 hahaha Jul 25 04:08:52 leave it to pcworld to say "wait for windows" Jul 25 04:09:10 which they are probably right but still Jul 25 04:12:28 ugh i just wish they had a qwerty on the n9 Jul 25 04:12:36 i hate nokia so much Jul 25 04:12:49 they are the oracle of the phone business Jul 25 04:15:24 well, given the lifespan of the arbitrary android OS on a phone, which is 6..18 months until support gets binned and no more updates, I'd not worry about N9 being any worse wrt that Jul 25 04:16:03 winP7 won't be any better I guess - actually for those winCE phones I never heard of updates Jul 25 04:18:10 even oracle do something good, I know they donate Liberation Sans Narrow font. Jul 25 04:44:22 i wonder how nokia comes to the idea anyone would buy a phone just because it is a nokia :) Jul 25 04:44:46 may work with apple ... but well .. Jul 25 04:45:35 yeah, a me-too iPhone-mockup isn't exactly what I'd expect to fly, just because of Nokia printed on the backside Jul 25 04:46:15 but then, at least Trollop definitely isn't interested in this thing to become a success story Jul 25 04:48:57 the whole N9 feels like "we promised it, so here you got it. Now let's get rid of the whole thing ASAP", from first announcement to latest statements about developer support Jul 25 04:49:49 to Nokia firing the whole in house competence of maemo/meego Jul 25 04:53:08 meanwhile there are enough people fired from nokia to create a new enterprise in the smartphone market .. why didnt they gathered together doing right that? ... Jul 25 04:53:27 missing capital? Jul 25 04:53:45 also AIUI mainly sw engineers Jul 25 04:53:53 dunno what did the leaving managers got for leaving? Jul 25 04:54:05 I don't think Nokia is massively cutting down on the EE Jul 25 04:54:06 maybe .. well j/k anyways Jul 25 04:54:15 well soon they will Jul 25 04:54:27 yeah Jul 25 04:54:30 after failing with wp7 and becoming a pennystock Jul 25 04:54:47 but well .. M$ will buy them, if not oracle Jul 25 04:55:43 OTOH what do they sell per day? in units/money turn-over? 1mio/100mio? Jul 25 04:55:46 its a bit conspiratory .. but i think a lot people believe that elop is just there to make the swallowing cheaper Jul 25 04:55:58 grrr Jul 25 04:56:09 tryin 2 watch an mkv with subs Jul 25 04:56:12 grr Jul 25 04:56:18 mplayer? Jul 25 04:56:20 pita Jul 25 04:56:24 ooh? Jul 25 04:56:36 ah Jul 25 04:56:42 ye Jul 25 04:56:46 if nothing works, mplayer works :P .. Jul 25 04:56:56 but i suck at figuring out the command line options Jul 25 04:56:59 (but not always) Jul 25 04:57:02 :'( Jul 25 04:57:07 yer it does play it Jul 25 04:57:12 mplayer -fs foo.mkv Jul 25 04:57:22 ooh Jul 25 04:57:26 ill try Jul 25 04:57:29 2secs Jul 25 04:57:35 -fs == fullscreen Jul 25 04:57:58 sometimes it stucks at the begin you have to nudge it with the arror keys Jul 25 04:58:03 arrow Jul 25 04:58:54 arg Jul 25 04:58:56 well and the n900 cant play above a certain size (screen size?) ... anyways if your video is to big you have to reencode it scaled down Jul 25 04:58:56 [lavf] Subtitle stream found, -sid 0 Jul 25 04:59:03 it can see the stream Jul 25 04:59:10 but no subs D: Jul 25 04:59:16 ok rtfm then :) Jul 25 04:59:37 yer i read all that stuff Jul 25 04:59:40 hrhr Jul 25 05:00:06 its 707x464 ^^ Jul 25 05:00:52 should work Jul 25 05:01:28 framerate is fine Jul 25 05:01:33 audio sync is good Jul 25 05:01:39 just no dam subs Jul 25 05:01:47 my japanese aint that great Jul 25 05:03:18 http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/subosd.html Jul 25 05:03:37 cant see anything there bout embedded substreams :? Jul 25 05:04:14 mm Jul 25 05:04:21 gonna find a gui Jul 25 05:04:28 might have it all sorted Jul 25 05:04:57 grrr Jul 25 05:05:16 transcoding with handbrake to mp4 container Jul 25 05:05:21 tellin it to burn in the subs Jul 25 05:05:27 and the bloody thing Jul 25 05:05:37 completely ignoring me :( Jul 25 05:08:00 system settings -> profiles has nicely looking checkboxes with labels. how to make them? Jul 25 05:08:00 hmm Jul 25 05:09:05 slonopotamus, MTF? Jul 25 05:09:32 wtf mtf? Jul 25 05:09:45 MeeGo Touch Framework Jul 25 05:09:58 I assume you're 5alki"g a\ou5 the N950 Jul 25 05:10:07 MohammadAG: wrong chan, man Jul 25 05:10:09 talking about*, fuck my borked SGX Jul 25 05:10:43 maemo5. Jul 25 05:10:56 SGX? Jul 25 05:11:10 if i meant meego, i'd ask in #meego Jul 25 05:11:16 slonopotamus, it's called settings, not system settings then Jul 25 05:11:35 DocScrutinizer, Hardware r3cov3ry 5riggered Jul 25 05:12:01 I'm not trying to be leet, that's hildon input method Jul 25 05:12:04 hehehe Jul 25 05:12:10 MohammadAG: it's called Параметры if you go to that level of exactness. Jul 25 05:12:12 yay Jul 25 05:12:23 -sid0 param \o/ Jul 25 05:13:15 w/e, i want a checkbox + label where both of them are clickable and have maemo-style border around Jul 25 05:13:33 QCheckBox Jul 25 05:14:24 MohammadAG: as useful as saying "Gtk" Jul 25 05:15:35 you got a problem with people helping you? Jul 25 05:15:43 hildon_check_button, have fun Jul 25 05:16:17 hildon_check_button_new is what the .so references Jul 25 05:19:03 maybe didn't have enough morning coffee :) thanks, will look at it Jul 25 05:20:32 you can find an example here http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-applet-notificationlight Jul 25 07:10:18 I am trying to compile a c code on maemo (n900) and getting this error "timerfd.h not found" any idea which package will remove the problem ? Jul 25 08:47:49 quick question: can I just install armel packages from Debian repositories or is maemo 5 incompatible with the debian packages? Jul 25 09:00:14 X-Fade, ping Jul 25 09:00:41 MohammadAG: pong Jul 25 09:01:02 X-Fade, I can't log into OBS Jul 25 09:01:08 logging into meego.com seems fine Jul 25 09:02:13 MohammadAG: Ok, will check. Jul 25 09:03:00 X-Fade, can you just reset the password? Jul 25 09:03:03 can someone with ssh access to their n900 Fremantle run sysinfo-tool -g /certs/ccc/pp/wlan-channel and give me the results as well as what country/part of the world you are in? (specifically looking for someone from Europe) Jul 25 09:03:14 MohammadAG: It uses the meego.com account data. Jul 25 09:03:30 dockane_, Jul 25 09:03:35 err, sorry Jul 25 09:03:37 DocScrutinizer Jul 25 09:03:40 Nokia-N900:~# cat /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:g/led_current Jul 25 09:03:40 47 Jul 25 09:04:26 X-Fade, just changed the password (to the same pass), still can't login Jul 25 09:04:52 MohammadAG: Why did you do that? :) Jul 25 09:05:00 MohammadAG: Just to mess it up a bit more? Jul 25 09:06:53 X-Fade, yes :P Jul 25 09:09:08 jonwil, fcc/us for both devices Jul 25 09:09:17 one from Europe and one from the US Jul 25 09:12:10 but what country are the devices physically located in? Jul 25 09:12:15 As thats what affects that key AFAIK Jul 25 09:12:40 jonwil, Israel Jul 25 09:12:50 ok, israel must use FCC standards for wifi then Jul 25 09:12:55 rather than EU Jul 25 09:13:00 or otherwise Jul 25 09:13:13 .au also uses fcc Jul 25 09:35:58 Morning Jul 25 09:49:33 time to see how sysinfo gets the value of /certs/ccc/pp/wlan-channel Jul 25 09:50:00 and whether that value is fixed to the device data (cal) or set based on the device location Jul 25 09:53:23 bah, my linux box has to do a fsck Jul 25 10:58:31 no arp; how does the n900 establish the mac of an ip? Jul 25 11:00:08 well at least there's iputils-arping Jul 25 11:04:42 what do you mean no arp? Jul 25 11:13:53 ShadowJK: the tool, arp, I don't think it's available on my n900 Jul 25 11:14:27 it's not needed for normal use Jul 25 11:15:59 ShadowJK: yeah, no problem. got arping now Jul 25 11:20:46 lardman: Can the url submission thing of mbarcode deal with proxy URLs? Jul 25 11:21:02 proxy servers Jul 25 11:21:10 SpeedEvil: can you give me an example? Jul 25 11:21:29 I'd have thought the proxy is handled by the browser Jul 25 11:21:34 Sorry - a server behing a proxy - I need to configure a http proxy to get to it Jul 25 11:21:47 ah - right - of course. Sorry ofr being stupid. Jul 25 11:21:55 no that's ok Jul 25 11:21:57 More coffee. Jul 25 11:22:01 :) Jul 25 11:22:05 I know that feeling :) Jul 25 11:22:11 I'm trying to get rid of my books. Jul 25 11:22:19 I have ~6K to list on amazon Jul 25 11:22:42 wow, I've just finished unpacking my ~50 boxes of books Jul 25 11:22:51 Yeah - well... Jul 25 11:22:53 I can feel the floor sagging in my study Jul 25 11:23:00 I had a cheap secon-hand bookshop nearby. Jul 25 11:23:07 same here :) Jul 25 11:23:26 I would typically go in every other week, and get every SF/fantasy book he had that I hadn't already got. Jul 25 11:23:32 * lardman thinks that perhaps a library membership would be a good idea Jul 25 11:23:45 I collect reference books Jul 25 11:23:53 It ended up at one point that I could go into a small bookshop to the SF section, and have 90% of the titles. Jul 25 11:24:09 I have the problem that I don't remember which I have Jul 25 11:24:28 hence the cursing model view for a N9x0 db to take around with me Jul 25 11:24:39 You should see if there is a unique identifier that could be recognised in some means on them. :) Jul 25 11:24:44 ;) Jul 25 11:25:05 I started writing this code a couple of years ago and have never found the time to finish it Jul 25 11:25:23 though my motivation dropped while we were selling and I was told to not buy more to clutter up the flat Jul 25 11:25:27 model=modal? Jul 25 11:25:35 model-view Jul 25 11:25:46 tables and qsql stuff Jul 25 11:25:56 Oh - right - vague bells ring. Jul 25 11:26:03 I'm sure it's all very simple, but there are just so many different classes Jul 25 11:26:23 I feel that it might be faster to write my own flat text file "db" handler classes Jul 25 11:26:27 :) Jul 25 11:26:59 The Qt docs are sadly lacking in exaplanations of where and why to use different components Jul 25 11:27:08 lardman, the thing with flat file databases: you can easily improve over sqlite and stuff Jul 25 11:27:19 but then later when you want to do more advanced processing and stuff Jul 25 11:27:34 lcuk: yeah I know, it's just frustration talking Jul 25 11:27:40 having a real queryable database helps immensely Jul 25 11:28:02 lardman, i had to ponder similar with the tagging of sketches Jul 25 11:28:15 did you find any good example codes? Jul 25 11:28:22 Oooh! Sketches tagged by barcode Jul 25 11:28:25 sexy Jul 25 11:30:09 lardman, not really it was nothing as simple as adodb Jul 25 11:30:25 I asked about database classes in Qt Jul 25 11:30:32 and was hoping fiferboy would know Jul 25 11:31:08 The classes are very complex, for good reason no doubt, but it's a shame someone who knows why doesn't explain why Jul 25 11:31:10 qsql? Jul 25 11:31:13 yeah Jul 25 11:31:41 silly stuff like working out which record is selected from a qcomboview Jul 25 11:32:08 or is that qcombolist Jul 25 11:32:09 o_O Jul 25 11:32:46 * frals is happy most of the stuff we expose is wrapped in a nice QAbstractListModel wrapper Jul 25 11:32:52 we == current project im in Jul 25 11:32:56 and things like display item, etc Jul 25 11:33:09 why would one even want that in a db view, etc Jul 25 11:35:20 is there a simple way to get the current item played in the mediaplayer from terminal? i already found the corresponding dbus entry, using a dbus viewer Jul 25 12:27:33 ~ping Jul 25 12:27:34 ~pong Jul 25 12:38:47 hello ,i upgrade nmap to 5.59,but when i run:nmap 198.168.0.1-255,it suggent route_dst_netlink: can't find interface "wlan0",,,,,,,how to downgrade nmap to old version? Jul 25 13:21:06 quick question: can I just install armel packages from Debian repositories or is maemo 5 incompatible with the debian packages? Jul 25 13:22:15 incompatible Jul 25 13:22:20 maemo has not much common with debian Jul 25 13:22:35 pretty much only common thing is package naming and package manager Jul 25 13:23:29 well, it depends, simple packages might work directly Jul 25 13:56:54 oh, ok. thanks much. Jul 25 14:14:39 MohammadAG: LED:g/current 47, so what? Jul 25 14:21:14 MohammadAG: you know these are units of 0.1mA? Jul 25 14:22:19 though mine is 2 here Jul 25 14:22:37 but 47 is probably safe and not very concerning Jul 25 15:22:28 someone here suggested me a gallery2 plugin Jul 25 15:22:40 I am also facing a similar problem like https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=4918&group_id=1114&atid=4180 Jul 25 15:56:45 * fusi will now overheat the cpus Jul 25 15:57:32 wish handbrake had a throttle Jul 25 15:57:59 need to replace my hsf, pretty sure the thermal gunk has died Jul 25 15:58:05 idling at 60c :< Jul 25 16:02:41 fusi: don't OC and you should be just fine with CPU temperature Jul 25 16:03:07 DocScrutinizer: this is one of my desktop machines :p Jul 25 16:03:11 tehe Jul 25 16:03:30 not though when your laptop invented a new fibre+plastics hybrid material and clogged the fan with it ;-D Jul 25 16:03:41 hehe Jul 25 16:03:57 mine throttled at ~100°C CPU temperature Jul 25 16:04:04 when that happened Jul 25 16:04:22 my bios is set to hard power off over 80c iirc Jul 25 16:04:35 dont rly wanna reboot in order to change it :p Jul 25 16:04:54 you probably shouldn't either Jul 25 16:05:02 this cpu throttles too but at a temp higher than 80 Jul 25 16:05:06 <- q9550 Jul 25 16:05:13 :-/ Jul 25 16:05:18 tjmax == 100c iirc Jul 25 16:05:54 shocking stock cooler D: Jul 25 16:10:08 might get one of those flower coolers Jul 25 16:10:18 zalman jobby Jul 25 16:10:23 thing is tho Jul 25 16:10:28 this is an x48 board Jul 25 16:10:40 and the northbridge has this f-off huge heatsink on it Jul 25 16:10:48 got a feelin itll get in the way Jul 25 16:10:49 hmm Jul 25 16:10:53 which board you got? Jul 25 16:11:05 lanparty x48 Jul 25 16:11:09 dfi Jul 25 16:11:22 ok Jul 25 16:11:36 T2R iirc Jul 25 16:11:52 i put a thermaltake ultra extreme or whatever its called on my q9550, works pretty good Jul 25 16:11:53 http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.borsaplazma.com/images/LP%2520UT%2520X48-T2R2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.borsaplazma.com/popup_image.php/pID/4186%3FosCsid%3Dc383c949122b8ea5ce9e5bd9218ab39a&h=574&w=600&sz=178&tbnid=Cv4HBZDvSkfWUM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=94&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddfi%2Blanparty%2Bx48%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=dfi+lanparty+x48&docid=lbOcLPlfUEmhiM&sa=X&ei=K5QtTqj7CojE8QPf0r2GDA&ved=0CGwQ9QEwCg&dur=188 Jul 25 16:11:59 ooh blimey thats a big link Jul 25 16:12:02 soz Jul 25 16:12:12 thermaltake ultra extreme Jul 25 16:12:16 mmk ta ill look into it Jul 25 16:12:30 its a huge mofo thou Jul 25 16:12:39 they all are these days :) Jul 25 16:12:46 dunno how it performs for oc, bought it for a silent rig Jul 25 16:12:57 i dont oc this box Jul 25 16:13:02 dont need to ^^ Jul 25 16:13:03 :p Jul 25 16:13:05 got a noctua 800rpm on it and its below ambient noise in my room Jul 25 16:13:16 nice Jul 25 16:13:27 i bought an antec p180 case Jul 25 16:13:32 but i recon either that or the cpu cover isnt really flat, 2 cores idle at 50 and the other 2 at 45 Jul 25 16:13:32 its not great on the noise Jul 25 16:13:47 mm Jul 25 16:13:50 got a p182, replaced the stock fans with noctuas and its good enough for me Jul 25 16:14:04 when i first built this, i had idle temps around the 40's with stock cooler Jul 25 16:14:20 has got progressively worse over time ^^ Jul 25 16:14:22 but my wd velociraptor is kinda loud now ;( Jul 25 16:14:25 hehe Jul 25 16:14:27 eep Jul 25 16:14:53 oh sorry igve got a p182 too Jul 25 16:15:03 thought it was a p180 ^^ Jul 25 16:15:21 this heatsink is a pretty tight fit in this case thou Jul 25 16:15:32 just got those three fans that came with it Jul 25 16:15:33 pretty thight as in 1-2mm clearance to the sidepanel Jul 25 16:15:34 :D Jul 25 16:15:35 waaay too loud Jul 25 16:15:41 lool Jul 25 16:15:49 that is ahem .. quite large Jul 25 16:16:12 http://www.overclockersonline.net/images/articles/thermalright/120extreme/large/install12.jpg Jul 25 16:16:26 haha Jul 25 16:16:29 ya its pretty huge Jul 25 16:16:30 ;) Jul 25 16:16:37 u know that might actually work Jul 25 16:16:41 looks like its got some decent clearance Jul 25 16:16:56 first time i moved my case i was kinda scared about the weight of the thing Jul 25 16:17:06 rip ur cpu out its socket hrhr Jul 25 16:17:10 D': Jul 25 16:17:14 ya ;D Jul 25 16:17:22 what gets me Jul 25 16:17:30 is the force you need to press down with on these stock coolers Jul 25 16:17:38 feels like ur gonna snap the pcb >.< Jul 25 16:17:41 yeah Jul 25 16:18:01 so im looking for one with a back bracket Jul 25 16:18:09 that sorta screws in if u know what i mean Jul 25 16:18:32 will be a pita to install im sure, will have to take the mobo ut the case Jul 25 16:18:35 yeah Jul 25 16:18:37 ho hum Jul 25 16:18:40 cant remember if this got it but think so Jul 25 16:18:46 i reckon it will Jul 25 16:18:50 am reading up on it now Jul 25 16:18:55 its too big not to :) Jul 25 16:19:10 anyways im off for a bit Jul 25 16:19:14 thanks for the advice :) Jul 25 16:19:19 np :) Jul 25 16:47:23 Is there a way of exporting the sent mail from modest? Jul 25 16:47:35 to thunderbird for example Jul 25 17:13:45 nothing obvious Jul 25 17:20:51 Shapeshifter: /home/user/.modest/cache/mail/pop/*/* seems a location worth looking at Jul 25 17:28:47 there's also a .modest/ on /media/mmc1 Jul 25 17:29:19 but tbh I don't really get it where mails are supposed to be stored Jul 25 17:36:19 Shapeshifter: in backups of back app (MyDocs/backup/*) there's a comm_and_cal.zip, it has a .modest-backup.tar.gz, this for sure should have all the data you want Jul 25 17:37:43 actually it backups the .modest/cache/mail/pop/ branch as mentioned/suggested above Jul 25 17:52:32 grr Jul 25 17:52:40 my maemosdk image isnt booting Jul 25 18:01:36 bah Jul 25 18:01:40 reverted to a snapshot Jul 25 18:01:41 sux Jul 25 18:02:13 * fusi strokes vmware lovingly Jul 25 18:02:40 * fusi fires up esbox Jul 25 18:09:46 ...y u no use vbox Jul 25 18:10:57 no particular reason Jul 25 18:12:06 having a vmware license swings it a bit.. Jul 25 18:17:37 what is device name of micro sd card? Jul 25 18:18:14 i don't know why, but it is not mounting automaticaly anymore Jul 25 18:20:24 mmcblk1 is the microsd, mmcblk1p1 is the first partition of the microsd OkropNick inside maemo. Jul 25 18:20:39 NIN101: thanks Jul 25 18:25:26 htf do i add a preexisting src file to a project in eclipse Jul 25 18:25:36 cant find a menu option anywhere and dragging it does sweet fa Jul 25 18:25:38 >:| Jul 25 18:25:52 bah ill just edit the project file manually Jul 25 18:25:53 bah Jul 25 18:26:54 fusi: import? Jul 25 18:27:19 aha Jul 25 18:27:22 thanks Jul 25 18:27:35 ms background Jul 25 18:27:40 all my semantics are wrong Jul 25 18:27:42 :/ Jul 25 18:28:12 yay 'from filessystem' Jul 25 18:29:33 my N900 can't see micro sd card anymore. it was taken out of the device oly once. all connectors are clean and looks fine. any ideas? can it be software problem? Jul 25 18:30:34 have you put it back in? ^^ Jul 25 18:30:52 of course :) even few times Jul 25 18:31:12 rebooted? Jul 25 18:31:26 it is needed to rebot? Jul 25 18:31:37 afaik sometimes it can get corrupted Jul 25 18:31:39 *reboot Jul 25 18:31:51 ok, I'll try Jul 25 18:31:51 and it borks itself - a reboot afaik auto fixes it Jul 25 18:31:59 usually the first thing to try tbh anyway Jul 25 18:33:26 OkropNick: what does dmesg say? Jul 25 18:33:40 nothing about it Jul 25 18:33:41 OkropNick: also, you have to close the backcover AFAIR Jul 25 18:33:55 no, i have not closed it Jul 25 18:33:59 then close it. Jul 25 18:34:12 aha Jul 25 18:34:21 yer theres a magnetic sensor that dismounts it when the back is off Jul 25 18:34:51 mmm, I'll try Jul 25 18:34:52 (nice touch i thought :p) Jul 25 18:35:02 well, kinda required. Jul 25 18:35:22 my prev htc handsets never did that Jul 25 18:35:24 Knowing how sketchy filesystems handle being pulled out without warning. Jul 25 18:35:33 but then again they were scummy htc handserts ;D Jul 25 18:35:53 yep, had loads of corruptions Jul 25 18:36:00 And they also probably didn't allow ext2/3 filesystems on their sdcards. Jul 25 18:36:14 heheh Jul 25 18:36:18 of course not! Jul 25 18:36:46 ooooh Jul 25 18:36:49 i cant start ranting Jul 25 18:36:53 got work to do! Jul 25 18:37:38 yeah, it is working again, thatks all! Jul 25 18:37:47 yay Jul 25 18:39:40 possible to compile individual translation units in esbox? without building the whole thing? Jul 25 18:41:14 i give up with gui's on linux Jul 25 19:39:53 anyone know where libtool is installed in the maemosdk image? Jul 25 19:40:02 aint in /usr/local/bin/libtool Jul 25 19:40:11 dpkg -S libtool Jul 25 19:40:21 dpkg -S libtool Jul 25 19:40:23 oops Jul 25 19:40:23 ta Jul 25 19:41:02 ahaa useful command Jul 25 19:41:04 thanks Jul 25 19:41:09 yw Jul 25 19:45:36 * fusi smashes head through monitor Jul 25 19:45:36 libtool: link: only absolute run-paths are allowed Jul 25 19:45:40 i needa break Jul 25 19:45:42 o/ Jul 25 20:13:52 hello, is there any way how to set correct LMD/ILMD values on bq27200 chip? Jul 25 20:18:19 And why BME reports other battery status (not same as bq modules/script)? Jul 25 20:20:26 B) no, you can't fix that Jul 25 20:20:57 ILMD you can't set without possibly desoldering the chip and adding a 18V programming pulse Jul 25 20:21:19 LMD you set by charging it all the way, then stopping BME partway through the discharge Jul 25 20:21:46 This learns the LMD towards the real capacity in steps of 1/8th of maximum, so you amy need several steps Jul 25 20:23:11 and once you remove the batery it resets to ILMD ;-P Jul 25 20:24:06 SpeedEvil: iirc you *could* program the chip in-circuit. No need to unsolder Jul 25 20:24:24 all relevant pins are NC and reachable Jul 25 20:31:51 ah Jul 25 20:32:16 But if you're writing your own thingy, you don't really need any of it. Jul 25 20:32:50 sure, the relative values are always correct Jul 25 20:33:01 the deltas Jul 25 20:33:16 also abolute current and voltage Jul 25 20:33:32 As it discharges through 3428mV, it resets the available capacity. You look at the jump when this happens, then subtract this from the AC Jul 25 20:33:37 NAC Jul 25 20:33:53 Then remember this figure as the new capacity Jul 25 20:34:07 kinda, yes Jul 25 20:42:10 X-Fade, any progress on my OBS account? Jul 25 20:42:42 MohammadAG: It should just work? Jul 25 20:43:05 X-Fade, but isn't? Jul 25 20:43:19 or doesn't, sounds better Jul 25 20:43:27 MohammadAG: Does web login work? Jul 25 20:43:43 no, that's what I'm logging in through Jul 25 20:44:04 MohammadAG: And your ocs client works? Jul 25 20:44:19 MohammadAG: Ehm osc :) Jul 25 20:45:27 MohammadAG: What is your username there? Jul 25 20:46:22 MohammadAG: Ah, I see it already. Jul 25 20:48:24 http://liveprofile.com/ lol @ No battery usage Jul 25 20:53:03 MohammadAG: Can't see anything wrong. It works for everybody but you :) Jul 25 20:57:42 X-Fade, yay Jul 25 20:58:03 MohammadAG: You are using the right account? Jul 25 20:59:47 MohammadAG: Can you try to login now? Jul 25 21:00:37 SpeedEvil: My battery was totaly discharged and I charged it in external charger DT-33 Then bq report LMD=0 and ILMD=2056 Jul 25 21:01:07 yes, that's expected Jul 25 21:01:11 And now bq report other percentage as bme Jul 25 21:01:31 yes, that's also expected Jul 25 21:02:20 and now (after 3-4 recharges) is LMD=1914 Jul 25 21:02:40 if your battery is ok, then it will be empty when bq27200 shows ~40% remaining Jul 25 21:03:14 ~2056/8*7 Jul 25 21:03:15 should be Jul 25 21:03:15 1799 Jul 25 21:03:21 hmm Jul 25 21:03:26 but why? Jul 25 21:03:29 X-Fade, authentication failed Jul 25 21:04:05 Pali: that's the way the battery gauge chip bq27200 works Jul 25 21:04:07 MohammadAG: You are loging in to build.pub.meego.com, right? Jul 25 21:04:36 err, no, http://build.meego.com Jul 25 21:04:53 MohammadAG: So you are telling me you really need more coffee? :) Jul 25 21:05:08 lol Jul 25 21:05:12 I don't drink coffee, that's the site I used to log into 4 months ago :P Jul 25 21:05:22 MohammadAG: No way. Jul 25 21:05:34 MohammadAG: That is the core obs, not the community one. Jul 25 21:05:35 my login details are saved Jul 25 21:05:51 yeah Jul 25 21:06:01 I'm pretty sure lbt activated my account there Jul 25 21:06:08 MohammadAG: Then why do I see you here: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Amohammad7410 Jul 25 21:06:26 MohammadAG: No, he doesn't even have admin there. Jul 25 21:06:45 Nor do I for that matter. Jul 25 21:06:54 my profile took a stroll, that's the only explanation :P Jul 25 21:06:56 DocScrutinizer: and do you know how bme get capacity percentage? Jul 25 21:07:07 by magic ;-D Jul 25 21:07:15 MohammadAG: And meego.com accounts have never worked there, they are separate. Jul 25 21:07:17 or call it wild guessing :-) Jul 25 21:08:13 Pali: actually nobody knows how bme does the calculation of capacity, but it's known to yield rather incoherent results Jul 25 21:08:29 Pali, three shots of vodka and division of two random numbers Jul 25 21:08:45 :-> Jul 25 21:09:06 ok :) Jul 25 21:09:41 problem with bq is that ILMD is not set correctly? Jul 25 21:09:47 X-Fade, weird, must've been me then :P Jul 25 21:09:53 should start drinking coffee methinsk Jul 25 21:10:02 for bq27200 however the algo is absolutely clear and documented and you *can* understand what's going on, and get a decent notion about whether the values are good or not Jul 25 21:10:12 X-Fade, any ideas how to create a public repo that everyone can access? Jul 25 21:10:14 pali: yes, it,s set for 2000+ mAh battery Jul 25 21:10:15 Pali: basically, yes Jul 25 21:10:24 2056 Jul 25 21:10:41 while it should be 1350 Jul 25 21:11:06 1300 would be sane Jul 25 21:11:14 whatever Jul 25 21:11:17 MohammadAG: Your home repo is open. Jul 25 21:11:55 in datasheet is written that ILMD register is R/W Jul 25 21:12:17 did somebody try to rewrite it? Jul 25 21:12:31 btw about build.pub.meego.com login: EEEEK JS Jul 25 21:12:32 You need 40V or something to erase the eeprom Jul 25 21:12:50 18V ? Jul 25 21:12:55 which is not available on n900 Jul 25 21:13:13 ShadowJK: the relevant oins are NC and reachable Jul 25 21:13:15 I forget exactly what, but it was alot more than 5V :) Jul 25 21:13:35 *pins Jul 25 21:14:01 X-Fade, can anyone push to it? Jul 25 21:14:42 MohammadAG: Yes, but you need to accept it of course. Jul 25 21:15:17 sratch my JS comment, when JS is disabled, it works just as expected Jul 25 21:15:31 MohammadAG: But anybody can do a SR to our project home. Jul 25 21:20:34 X-Fade, Hi, Jul 25 21:21:13 X-Fade, i ve strange error in the community obs on debian target : /.build/build: line 1856: hostname: command not found seems to come from a dh helper command Jul 25 21:21:27 did you want i report a bug somewhere ? Jul 25 21:21:48 ~packrat Jul 25 21:21:49 from memory, packrat is http://www.ageofikon.info/prh/ Jul 25 21:21:52 khertan: It can be that hostname is provided by busybox and we don't use that. Jul 25 21:22:28 DocScrutinizer: I did not read full bq datasheet, but there is really no way how to decrease/fix LMD? Jul 25 21:23:28 X-Fade, anyway it doesn't seems to be blocking Jul 25 21:23:37 no, except doing a learning cycle Jul 25 21:24:04 and how to do correct learning cycle? Jul 25 21:24:07 which means fully charging battery, then discharge to some 3200mV Jul 25 21:24:54 depending on bme's mod you'll need to stop bme or your device will shit down before even reaching 3200mV Jul 25 21:25:02 mood* Jul 25 21:25:19 I keep the shit down :-P Jul 25 21:25:56 ok Jul 25 21:26:18 CI = 1 says you never had a valid learning cycle during the last 30 cycles Jul 25 21:27:15 cycles total is number of cycles since battery insert, and there's also "number of cycles since last valid learning cycle" (OWTTE) Jul 25 21:27:42 Cycle Count since Learning: 1 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 1 Jul 25 21:27:58 :nod: Jul 25 21:28:23 you managed to do a valid learning cycle on your first cycle after inserting battery. Jul 25 21:28:46 Do another 4 or 5 and your LMD will slowly approach reasonable values Jul 25 21:29:07 No, if those two are same number, means no learning cycle has taken place Jul 25 21:29:21 ooops, right Jul 25 21:29:33 then CI = 1 Jul 25 21:29:38 yes Jul 25 21:29:58 CI means "Calculations Invalid" Jul 25 21:30:51 Pali: the crux with bq27200 is it's never been meant to be detachable from battery cell Jul 25 21:31:19 *should* sit in battery pack, not in device Jul 25 21:31:42 And it's meant to be setup so that the voltage at termination is set to 6% below the 'low' state Jul 25 21:31:45 So it's wrong Jul 25 21:31:46 that's why each removal of battery completely resets and messes up things Jul 25 21:32:22 As it doesn't learn Jul 25 21:32:23 SpeedEvil: indeed Jul 25 21:32:33 X-Fade, can acceptance be scripted? Jul 25 21:32:33 Charge full. Check vdq=1. Use phone until bme gives battery low. Dont charge. When bme gives battery low, 'stop bme', check vdq=1. './bq27200 5' in an xterm to monitor stuff. When voltage goes below 3248, EDV1 column should turn to 1, if VDQ was 1, a learning cycle completes. Insert charger (a functioning original wallcharger, no shitty usbs) , 'start bme', screen turns off, some jogging of lock slider brings it back. Jul 25 21:32:41 well, actually it depends on bme's mood as mentioned above Jul 25 21:32:46 point is, having a home similar to -devel Jul 25 21:32:57 no QA, all packages in one place Jul 25 21:33:18 MohammadAG: prepare for bashing :-D Jul 25 21:33:38 ""will you accept now!!! lazy lad!"" Jul 25 21:33:53 ok, thanks for info Jul 25 21:33:59 Pali: yw Jul 25 21:34:34 Pali: question: what's status of PK47? regarding e.g iso9660 kernel drivers for hostmode Jul 25 21:34:53 LMD 1227, cycle count since learning 7, cycle count since last reset 152 :) Jul 25 21:35:50 CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=m Jul 25 21:36:11 CONFIG_JOLIET=y Jul 25 21:38:02 X-Fade: Do you know where is problem why kernel-power is not shown in maemo.org package interface? Jul 25 21:39:08 DocScrutinizer: ? Jul 25 21:39:43 sorry for the noise Jul 25 21:41:43 Pali: thanks Jul 25 21:42:48 I'd like to release v48, but I have some problems with rebooting and problem with maemo.org/packages (it does not see v47) Jul 25 21:43:45 ShadowJK: 1174/3/28 - If this was the 'real' capacity it'd be fine, but impedence is a problem (I need to kill BME or it keeps beeping almost after I uplug it from the charger Jul 25 21:45:06 Yeah I have a battery measuring 1054mAh, low cycle count, it mostly sat empty in my spare N900 for half a year. Jul 25 21:45:36 ShadowJK: this is kown to kill LiIon Jul 25 21:46:02 you can bin it right away Jul 25 21:46:07 It was 4.2V when I put it in, a month later it lit up emergency charge led :) Jul 25 21:46:22 parasitic drain in "off" seems somewhat high :s Jul 25 21:46:31 N900 seems to not always exactly switch off completely Jul 25 21:47:10 too many subsystems without a proper main breaker switch to kill them Jul 25 21:47:22 Yeah, MeeGo switched off seems to drain battery in <24h Jul 25 21:47:31 LOL Jul 25 21:47:38 cool shit man Jul 25 21:48:24 I guess modem still in stanbay while main APE off Jul 25 21:48:33 standby Jul 25 21:48:39 o.O Jul 25 21:48:44 bye Jul 25 21:48:49 o/ Jul 25 21:49:02 Problem is it lasts longer when switched ON than when switched off... Jul 25 21:55:45 DocScrutinizer: What is status of project jrbme? Jul 25 21:56:07 basically binned Jul 25 21:56:58 there's no real win in implementing all the crap so it would integrate nicely and keep the rest of system working Jul 25 21:58:10 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1006716&postcount=806 Jul 25 22:00:57 DocScrutinizer: thanks for the modest hints Jul 25 22:05:51 yawn Jul 25 22:14:53 * SpeedEvil notes that the 'seeekrit IP' in BME doesn't inclue anything that notices it's bootlooping ue to power starvation, and bump up the threshold 50mV Jul 25 22:16:15 there IS NO secret IP in BME, it's simply a system maintained by subcontractors and Nokia has neither (C) nor inhouse competence about it. My 2 cents Jul 25 22:17:26 and those who actually had a look at it and told me about it claimed it "makes your eyes bleed" Jul 25 22:17:27 yes Jul 25 22:17:32 I know. Jul 25 22:18:44 which is plausible ( quote mythbusters ) regarding it acesses some register #48 of a chip that only has some 5 or 6 registers Jul 25 22:19:38 actually I think bme works by mere incisence Jul 25 22:19:52 incidence* Jul 25 22:21:35 and maybe Nokia even got it independently evaluated and then got an assurance against all doom that might arise from LiIon cells, so this would at least explain why they are completely horrified about anybody touching it Jul 25 22:23:40 or, even more plausible, the cell manufacturer made this bme and also took responsibility about the bme&cell system behaving Jul 25 22:25:08 which also would explain why fremantle bme seems designed to reduce lifetime of battery ;-D Jul 25 22:25:38 harmattan bme is way more sane it this regard Jul 26 01:03:19 ^ very interesting stuff Jul 26 01:03:37 my batt apparently holds 1309mah when full.. Jul 26 01:09:55 fusi: It learns at a maximum of 1/8th per clcle Jul 26 01:10:07 So if it's learned up or down 1/8th from ILMD - don't believe it Jul 26 01:10:43 1309 sounds absolutely sane Jul 26 01:11:52 yeah Jul 26 01:12:10 only tak emy battery out when i get really angry at it :p Jul 26 01:12:20 lol Jul 26 01:12:22 im like RIGHT you deserve this! Jul 26 01:12:28 hehe Jul 26 01:16:03 SpeedEvil: pondering about a script that monitors bq27200, tears down bme just in time to hinder it shutting down system, then continue monitoring bq27200 until learning cycle complete, and re-enabling bme Jul 26 01:16:48 I question the point Jul 26 01:17:20 errr, isn't that obvious? :-) Jul 26 01:17:22 In practice - just remember when it hits LMD (of your code) + BMEthreshold+20mV Jul 26 01:17:43 Then learn LMD (bq) -NAC = real capacity Jul 26 01:18:13 sure, but that's not taking care about one time calibration of bq Jul 26 01:18:27 Indeed. Jul 26 01:18:39 only works if you're running this script of yours constantly Jul 26 01:19:08 So does the BME teardown script Jul 26 01:19:24 while mine just takes care about automatic calibration run that otherwise needs attendance Jul 26 01:19:36 ah Jul 26 01:19:43 it's a one-shot thing Jul 26 01:20:05 Or B) Jul 26 01:20:26 B) is? Jul 26 01:20:32 Poke jonwil to haxxor BME to get it to turn off at 3148mV Jul 26 01:20:55 No script needed - just works Jul 26 01:21:06 hahaha exactly what I pondered 10 min ago, though I didn't think exactly about jonwil Jul 26 01:21:42 yeah Jul 26 01:22:06 I already tried to figure what doom might come from this - worst case Jul 26 01:22:24 unadvertised modem shutdown? Jul 26 01:22:43 that hits at 2940 or so I think Jul 26 01:23:19 Dropping the voltage 50mV or so leaves plenty of margin Jul 26 01:23:31 It's already marginal that it will occasionally learn Jul 26 01:23:35 yeah, my thoughts Jul 26 01:23:49 actually it does here Jul 26 01:24:07 I think it depends on load, and Z of cell Jul 26 01:24:22 It would also be nice if the voltage where it comes out of ACT_DEAD coul be bumped up a few millivolts too Jul 26 01:24:39 haha Jul 26 01:25:21 I actually forgot about a few of the goty details of flatbatrecover internals Jul 26 01:26:37 messing with mce.ini for different color for breating light and charging light already helps a lot to understand what's really going on Jul 26 01:26:41 I just want someone to come up with a nice fuelcell Jul 26 01:26:59 That I can feed my phone sugarcubes. Jul 26 01:27:00 yoh Jul 26 01:27:15 I'd feed it vodka Jul 26 01:27:35 10 drops for N900, rest for me ;-D Jul 26 01:29:04 MohammadAG, what happens when you get so many interests you run out of room on your avatar? Jul 26 01:29:31 there *are* nice fuelcells (though still not the sice of a BL-5J yet), alas not available for mere mortals. Strictly military and costs more than gold Jul 26 01:29:40 size* Jul 26 01:29:52 yes. Jul 26 01:30:11 Same as I found some truly awesome Li-Ion - specced for 10K charge/discharge cycles Jul 26 01:30:20 SAFT - and no, you can't buy them. Jul 26 01:30:23 well, alkaline also was available for military exclusively for a few years Jul 26 01:30:50 crazy Jul 26 01:31:11 and DAMN I think the first alkaline were SAFT?!? .oO(???) Jul 26 01:37:54 http://www.saftbatteries.de/ Jul 26 01:39:59 I was toying with the idea of a calibration script that worked kinda like laptop battery calibration procedure. Connect charger, script charges battery full, turns off charger, turns on screen, waits until learning threshold, turns on again Jul 26 01:45:06 SpeedEvil: http://www.campingplus.de/wbc.php?sid=752637913cd&pid=8211&tpl=produktdetail.html Jul 26 01:45:22 25W 6.5kg Jul 26 01:46:12 Leetle heavy. Jul 26 01:46:53 39dB@1m! Jul 26 01:48:02 err well, they might get better fans ;-P Jul 26 02:17:26 GeneralAntilles, expand, get bigger avatars!!! Jul 26 02:17:54 Simplify the existing avatar, windows phone 7 logo Jul 26 02:19:23 hello, I bought a Nokia N900 this week Jul 26 02:19:46 MohammadAG, ooh, resolution independence. Jul 26 02:19:48 good thinking. Jul 26 02:22:18 Hi generalA, I was at a presentation on making HTML5 web apps usable by smartphones today, in the authors code, he was querying the pixel width and dpi of the device, to decide either mobile or not, and if a retina display of iphone4 use double rez bitmaps. Of course he should give the best bitmaps to the N900 too, it has the width! Anyway, my purpose here was to ask about microSD cards Jul 26 02:24:29 From what I read, the N900 supports the SDHC standard cards in micro size. It seems to say 16GB maximum, whereas the standard specifies up to 32GB and cards are available. Was it just that when the docs were written nobody released a 32GB card yet, or is there some technical reason that 32GB cards isn't supported? Jul 26 02:28:57 Primes: technically not supported. Jul 26 02:29:35 Primes: I watched Transformer 3 recently, and felt bad about the betrayal .... Jul 26 02:30:36 Primes: firsly I didn't realize what Prime means and then I remember the translation was quite similar to it - all 他和 Jul 26 02:32:40 Hi, is N950/N9 application able to run on N900 with Meego 1.2 community edition Jul 26 02:37:35 Primes, there were no 32G cards available when the docs were written. 32GB cards are supported. Kingston cards (and relatives of Kingston) are glitchy Jul 26 02:37:37 hi jiero as I understand, I think it should run, but the 1.2 community/developer edition for now looks quite basic (from youtube videos). Jul 26 02:38:05 I will run meego as soon as I buy my microSD card to install it on, hence my question about sizes of card 32 > 16GB of course ;-) Jul 26 02:38:08 Harmattan has APIs and things that don't exist in real MeeGo Jul 26 02:38:39 omg, It support 32GB? Jul 26 02:38:48 sure Jul 26 02:38:51 Thanks shadowjk, I will try avoid the Kingston Jul 26 02:39:07 There's a kernel patch on talk.maemo.org somewhere that makes the Kingston cards behave Jul 26 02:39:08 thanks. Jul 26 02:40:37 I hope Meego could run on internal card which run faster, it seems. Jul 26 02:41:36 Well you can for sure get slower MicroSD cards, most Class 10s for example, but you can also get faster MicroSD cards, mostly in the Class 4 and Class 6 range Jul 26 02:41:42 It's recommended to use card class 6 ie min 6 MB/sec write. I don't know the comparative speed of the internal flash? Jul 26 02:43:04 iirc the internal is sandisk or samsung/toshiba, it doesn't have a class rating as it isn't *sdhc, but if it was, knowing the manufacturer, it'd probably be rated as class 2 or class 4 Jul 26 02:43:51 anyone have a binary for ircII (N900) ? Jul 26 02:44:07 there's on for irssi in the repos, iirc... Jul 26 02:44:14 So, I know how to install u-boot. This will boot maemo if there is no meego SD installed, but if there is it boots meego. Is it possible to select manually on boot? The guy who used some different bootloader with debian arm, or the NITdroid project seemed maybe to use different method eg keyboard out or not selects boot OS Jul 26 02:44:16 yea i know Jul 26 02:44:27 im lookin for ircii tho Jul 26 02:44:43 Primes, type "run noloboot" on start and it boots maemo Jul 26 02:45:04 gonna try debian package, cant do much harm with 44mb free rootfs Jul 26 02:45:49 yes shadow I had read that online. However I was preferring something more like my desktop linux/win dualboot, it let's me select the OS from a menu, or times out to boot the default Jul 26 02:46:05 I'd get 4G card anyway, they're cheap, and if you end up with a superslow one it's not too expensive to get another brand/model to try again Jul 26 02:47:52 The 16GB cards are reasonable, maybe the sweetspot eg Adata , PNY, Samsung? The 32GB are more than twice the price. However, I also have a local source of used ones that I don't think will have been hammered to much. So used 32GB is similar price to new 16GB, making it tempting Jul 26 02:47:53 http://www.sakoman.com/OMAP/microsd-card-perfomance-test-results.html Jul 26 02:48:42 * SpeedEvil wishes again for 'raw mode' microSD Jul 26 02:48:56 indeed Jul 26 02:49:58 internal flash speed at 20mb/s Jul 26 02:50:27 sequential speeds aren't that relevant Jul 26 02:51:03 o its 20mbits... Jul 26 02:51:20 It seems different manufacturers measured the speed differently too. Some took the read speed rather than the write, some took the write speed when new, others took the write speed under maximally fragmented situation that it would degrade to. Jul 26 02:51:42 if you need performance, dont buy noname .. and kingston is noname :P Jul 26 02:51:59 for storing camera photos sequential is the usage. Running an OS, there will be more random Jul 26 02:52:00 look at that link, the Class 10 Patriots that do 7Mbyte/s write 19Mbyte/s read take 6000 seconds to boot this guy's operating system. On the other hand, the Sandisk Class 2 with 4M write 10M read boots it in 1800 seconds. Jul 26 02:52:15 yeah Jul 26 02:52:40 i found most class 10 cards a frauds. i have serveral class 6 cards that are equal or even faster. fastest card i own is a hama 16gb class 6 doing 8-9mb write and 19mb read. i use it for swap now Jul 26 02:52:42 sandisk samsung trancend are names Jul 26 02:52:50 a=are Jul 26 02:53:09 Primes, the cheap ones just run whatever benchmark program that reviewers use, and slap class rating according to that. It's not correct if you look at the definition of class rating, but nobody cares because class is only relevant for digital cameras Jul 26 02:53:27 hama is extremely noname :P they just buy and rebrand what they could get, if you are lucky thes found a good charged which dropped on the floor Jul 26 02:53:29 i have a sandisk cls 10 which is significantly slower Jul 26 02:53:42 Sandisk doesn't make a class 10 microsdhc Jul 26 02:53:58 (by extension, if you have one, it's fake) Jul 26 02:54:01 hama used to be lowend shit Jul 26 02:54:04 yes, nobody validates it externally so they claim what they choose to market it as Jul 26 02:54:12 Primes, it can not be validated externally Jul 26 02:54:16 class ratings only tell about sequential write speeds .. nothing about random, nothing about reads Jul 26 02:54:20 Because you need knowledge of the internal workings of the card Jul 26 02:54:27 class rating is not a benchmark result. Jul 26 02:54:47 the sandisk is a semi-prototype Jul 26 02:54:51 even if the class rating is accurate for using it as disk to boot some OS its completely unrelated Jul 26 02:54:54 I mean there is no independent certification authority to make the ratings comparable directly, it's just an indication now Jul 26 02:55:01 u cant buy it Jul 26 02:55:13 true cehteh Jul 26 02:55:28 Sandisk also stopped printing class rating on their microsdhc :-) Jul 26 02:55:33 i got it at an expo on the sandisk booth Jul 26 02:55:52 that was when i had n95 still Jul 26 02:56:14 so few years ago Jul 26 02:56:28 Primes, by their nature the class rating is not comparable to determine average expected performance Jul 26 02:56:46 i have a brand new sandisk here which has class rating Jul 26 02:56:49 class 4 Jul 26 02:56:52 however , one might infer a loose correlation. Jul 26 02:57:05 not really see the results on that page Jul 26 02:57:08 The definition is: *minimum* *sequential write* in the *best case*. This is somewhat of a contradiction in itself :-) Jul 26 02:57:48 lol, and those ratings are roundings, so I prefer to see some actual MB/sec ratings Jul 26 02:57:49 and thats the most uncommon access pattern when you boot and run a OS from it Jul 26 02:58:09 Primes, more over, these ratings are *minimums* Jul 26 02:58:15 Primes: it wont be static, depending on the wear leveling implementation Jul 26 02:58:21 not "it'll go this fast" Jul 26 02:58:26 and access patterns Jul 26 02:58:41 yes, at one time Sandisk had the best wear levelling, perhaps others are catching up now Jul 26 02:58:43 one day you can write 6mb/s the next only only 4.5MB/sec Jul 26 02:58:59 it's "I need it to go as fast as X, if it doesn't, my video camera specs says I will have framedrop" Jul 26 02:59:26 after some use many cards get much slower, the better ones settle at some level, really bad ones drop dramatically in speed **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 26 02:59:56 2011