**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 29 02:59:56 2011 Jul 29 05:18:02 happy sysadmin appreciation day ;) Jul 29 05:32:18 any of you guys using archlinux? (no not specifically on N900) Jul 29 05:32:27 on the eeepc 701 Jul 29 05:32:51 you got mtd-utils installed for dev work with N900? :) Jul 29 05:33:13 nope Jul 29 05:34:00 ahh ok, I just dropped by to soon announce AUR build of mtd-utils, the exact same version used on N900 Jul 29 05:34:42 still might be of interest... since the main use for that system is flashing if I need to ;) Jul 29 05:34:52 only x86 system I still have Jul 29 05:34:56 all others are x86-64 Jul 29 05:35:43 heh I wouldn't know if this mtd-utils would work with x86-64, it may Jul 29 05:36:13 actually, no, I somewhat doubt it if the old code has not been made compatible with big endian (? if I got that right) Jul 29 05:57:34 I would like to update my phone. how can I do that ? Jul 29 05:59:39 ~flash Jul 29 05:59:40 i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 29 06:00:03 that's one way, the other is by using that nokia pc suite (if you are using windows) Jul 29 06:00:13 im on linux Jul 29 06:00:20 or you know... using application manager Jul 29 06:00:39 to update it Jul 29 06:01:33 yeah that'll be using OTA, not that I'd recommend it personally :D but that is indeed another method Jul 29 06:04:36 how can i find out the version of distribution i am using? fremantle-1.2 or fremantle-1.1 or fremantle-1.3 Jul 29 06:06:01 see the about product Jul 29 06:06:07 that sholud give you the info Jul 29 06:06:15 then just look for that on the firmware download page Jul 29 06:06:51 maemo 5 version:10.2010019-1 Jul 29 06:06:54 what is last version Jul 29 06:06:55 ? Jul 29 06:07:22 mintux: 20.2010.36-2 Jul 29 06:08:51 ruskie: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=51098 Jul 29 06:09:15 irt Jul 29 06:09:33 it says: maemo 5 version:10.2010019-1 . what is the meaning of this? Jul 29 06:09:52 TimmyT: you can also find out the firmware version via the command line: osso-product-info| grep VERSION Jul 29 06:10:27 TimmyT: I believe that was the build date for the firmware, or it could be the release date with minor version numbers Jul 29 06:10:52 if you followed what ruskie said completely, you will know which PR1.x version you have Jul 29 06:11:36 PR_MR0 Jul 29 06:12:32 no that's not it Jul 29 06:13:06 im a debian user for many years, but maemo is a little bit confusing for me, i've bought this phone yesterday Jul 29 06:13:23 you first find out the version number, which you already did. You then go to tablets-dev.nokia.com/N900.php (or something like that) and you compare the table with the version number outputted to see which PR1.x version you have Jul 29 06:14:38 i gtg, i'll come and ask later, tnx Jul 29 06:48:03 is it last version ? RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM Jul 29 06:49:40 yes, as noted on the website Jul 29 06:49:51 last official version from nokia anyway Jul 29 08:21:39 I am using the custom operator name package. I was wondering if it was possible to set the text without going via the settings menu, e.g. to write to a text file, so I could use this space to display the output of scripts. Jul 29 08:31:42 look at the sources for that package? Jul 29 08:40:28 That might be a bit beyond my skillset. I will have a look though. I was just wondering if its settings were in a textfile somewhere. Jul 29 08:48:02 Anyone knows why after last updates star-hash codes cheased to work? I remember there was a very-very-very old bug in the first Maemo versions, now it looks like it resurfaced again? Jul 29 08:48:52 I enter "*100#" and it tells me the network is inaccessible :) Jul 29 08:58:45 zap_: mine says "Request not completed" Jul 29 10:56:35 hello Jul 29 10:56:46 hi Jul 29 10:56:53 I have a small issue with my n900 Jul 29 10:57:00 (big issue but I try to be polite this morning) Jul 29 10:57:33 -last night I bricked it by changing some kernel settings. So this morning I tried to flash it. I flashed both files just like the wiki says Jul 29 10:57:50 - now it boots , but I get an icon of nosim on the upper notification area. Jul 29 10:58:53 tried reseating the sim? Jul 29 10:59:06 ok I will try this now. Jul 29 10:59:21 there was a thread about that, hmm lemme see if I can find it. The OP said the same thing but later on he change the thread topic on tmo Jul 29 10:59:43 * t3ngu booting up again Jul 29 11:00:24 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux this is what I follow Jul 29 11:00:28 using these two imageS: Jul 29 11:00:53 RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jul 29 11:00:56 and second: Jul 29 11:00:59 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Jul 29 11:01:33 sounds like ancient firmwares there Jul 29 11:01:50 I am complete n00b on nokia firmware, software etc Jul 29 11:02:27 * t3ngu no-sim icon again. Jul 29 11:02:46 http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jul 29 11:02:50 on the tablets-dev.nokia.com/N900.php (or whatever it is) website, you can see under the list of firmwares on the last column where it indicates the latest firmware Jul 29 11:02:56 t3ngu: flash latest firmware Jul 29 11:02:58 t3ngu: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jul 29 11:03:13 and looks like someone has beaten me to it ;) Jul 29 11:03:27 should I download the latest vanilla also from the same site? Jul 29 11:03:39 no Jul 29 11:03:43 ok Jul 29 11:03:45 emmc is same Jul 29 11:03:49 it has never changed Jul 29 11:04:04 666kb/sec impressive, satanically impressive Jul 29 11:04:15 that server can do 100MB/s Jul 29 11:04:18 125MB/s Jul 29 11:04:22 gigabit link Jul 29 11:04:33 I have 1000 fw in between I am at work atm Jul 29 11:04:51 jacekowski: incorrect Jul 29 11:04:54 lol apparently (offtopic but fyi) that devil's number was supposedly to be 616 not 666 :) Jul 29 11:05:07 :( why 616? Jul 29 11:05:08 spain? Jul 29 11:05:29 who spain? Jul 29 11:05:50 no Jul 29 11:05:51 NL Jul 29 11:05:58 NL = Netherlands Jul 29 11:06:14 i know Jul 29 11:06:17 t3ngu: yes, get most recent of both files Jul 29 11:06:28 DocScrutinizer: the one he has is new enough Jul 29 11:06:43 and I don't know why 616 but news were saying that the articles were retranslated and they said its 616 not 666 Jul 29 11:07:07 thats unfortunate. I live in the number 29A which in hex = 666(dec) Jul 29 11:07:17 and I always considered it good luck Jul 29 11:07:28 i don't believe in devil Jul 29 11:07:31 and god Jul 29 11:07:34 and anything like that Jul 29 11:07:41 me neither but its cool to scare off old ladies Jul 29 11:08:14 i think you would scare old ladies more by talking about HEXes rather than 29A Jul 29 11:08:15 going back to subject since the image is almost at $HOME Jul 29 11:08:24 jacekowski: friend :-D Jul 29 11:08:27 t3ngu: flash EMMC Jul 29 11:08:33 the vanilla img is the same so I won't getit Jul 29 11:08:42 t3ngu: and then combined Jul 29 11:08:42 there's loads of superstitious people on the contrary :) I can still recall people wanting to have a baby on 06/06/2006 ironically enough.. the news at the time was spouting devil babies Jul 29 11:08:55 t3ngu: or other way round Jul 29 11:09:01 I'd also check the MD5SUM of the firmware image as well Jul 29 11:09:06 t3ngu: just as long as you don't reboot in between it doesn't matter Jul 29 11:09:31 t3ngu: I sugest you go for latest for *both* files. jacekowski disagrees Jul 29 11:09:49 so the first flash is ./flash* -F -f (no -R) Jul 29 11:09:50 DocScrutinizer: he already has latest one Jul 29 11:10:19 t3ngu: yes Jul 29 11:10:31 t3ngu: don't reboot/unplug in between Jul 29 11:10:42 ok (and got to be root forgot that) Jul 29 11:10:45 t3ngu: if you do you will have to start over Jul 29 11:10:46 ~flash Jul 29 11:10:47 maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 29 11:10:55 it's ALL there Jul 29 11:10:57 DocScrutinizer: i think it says -R on wiki Jul 29 11:11:06 true but that -R reboots it. Jul 29 11:11:07 !! Jul 29 11:11:08 for SURE not Jul 29 11:11:11 yes yes :) Jul 29 11:11:16 make sure that you have at least 20% battery capacity before attempting to reflash Jul 29 11:11:35 DocScrutinizer: it does Jul 29 11:11:36 DocScrutinizer: If you installed the .deb version, run: Jul 29 11:11:36 sudo flasher-3.5 -F -f -R Jul 29 11:12:06 jacekowski: you're supposed to read the *whole* page, not quote out of context Jul 29 11:12:06 i ddint install the .deb as its 32bit and I dont know what will it do with the libs Jul 29 11:12:42 I'm sure at some location it even suggests you *never* use -R Jul 29 11:13:14 "" it's a stupid convenience thing anyway"" ;-P Jul 29 11:13:16 CMT flashed successfully Jul 29 11:13:23 going for the vanilla thingi Jul 29 11:13:31 (sounds like ice cream) Jul 29 11:13:32 useless Jul 29 11:13:33 DocScrutinizer: only on windows part Jul 29 11:13:55 WUT? Jul 29 11:14:07 i run: ./flasher* -F -f -R (the vanilla : RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin) Jul 29 11:14:10 right? Jul 29 11:14:11 DocScrutinizer: there is only one sentence about not using -R Jul 29 11:14:16 t3ngu: without -R Jul 29 11:14:21 even the vanilla? Jul 29 11:14:23 ok Jul 29 11:14:32 t3ngu: you can reboot it later if it works Jul 29 11:14:43 Raw data transfer EP found at EP2. Jul 29 11:14:44 vanilla is a fairly well used term in the realm of linux :) vanilla just means stock/plain. Notably people use the word vanilla to refer to kernel versions Jul 29 11:14:59 yes indeed, and this is an image which I find it strange Jul 29 11:15:07 and there's that -R flag Jul 29 11:15:10 DocScrutinizer: if you read wiki page, Run the following command (TIP: Do not include '-R' if you are flashing EMMC as well, see below): Jul 29 11:15:18 DocScrutinizer: on Windows chapter Jul 29 11:15:19 Image(s) flashed successfully in 26.488 s (9662 kB/s)! Jul 29 11:15:24 is it ok? Jul 29 11:15:28 shall I boot? Jul 29 11:15:39 jacekowski: >> When flashing the eMMC content, the safe way is flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, then remove battery for a moment, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! Also see troubleshooting section, bullet 6:"If you cannot establish..." Jul 29 11:15:40 t3ngu: yes Jul 29 11:16:04 * t3ngu here goes nothing Jul 29 11:16:22 DocScrutinizer: but that's emmc specific chapter Jul 29 11:16:23 LOL Jul 29 11:16:40 DocScrutinizer: i don't think it's the best written page Jul 29 11:16:41 t3ngu: you booted Jul 29 11:16:47 and it's not clear Jul 29 11:16:53 its doing the 'micheal knight' thingi now Jul 29 11:17:05 jacekowski: I didn't start to mess it up, I only tried to fix things Jul 29 11:17:05 t3ngu: it will take few minutes Jul 29 11:17:40 i would get rid of most things Jul 29 11:17:49 and start with most important things Jul 29 11:17:55 correct commands that never fail Jul 29 11:17:59 ( without -R ) Jul 29 11:18:18 jacekowski: >>If you cannot establish a connection with N900, or got any other problems during starting or completing the flashing process, do the following steps which describe the complete foolproof flashing procedure again in terse form: ((http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting)) Jul 29 11:18:36 DocScrutinizer: TL;DR Jul 29 11:18:40 seems kinda frozen :( Jul 29 11:18:46 t3ngu: it takes few minutes Jul 29 11:18:47 the kit effect is frozen Jul 29 11:18:52 and grayed out Jul 29 11:18:58 wait!! Jul 29 11:18:59 t3ngu: it's copying stuff to emmc Jul 29 11:19:05 ok ok Jul 29 11:19:14 it takes like 10 minutes Jul 29 11:19:15 boots slower than a sun server Jul 29 11:19:17 maybe 5 Jul 29 11:19:28 but i hope it will Jul 29 11:19:30 t3ngu: try booting siemens WinCC Jul 29 11:19:37 Win? Jul 29 11:19:38 BS, *installs* faster than ubuntu Jul 29 11:19:38 nah Jul 29 11:19:40 thanks Jul 29 11:19:59 why you hate me so much that I have to boot win kernel? Jul 29 11:20:06 t3ngu: on 2x4 core xeon with 16GB of ram and raid10 with 4 SAS disks Jul 29 11:20:14 it takes 40 minutes for whole thing to start Jul 29 11:20:19 should be 2 mins Jul 29 11:20:19 lol Jul 29 11:20:21 windows takes ~2 minutes to start Jul 29 11:20:29 rest of it is starting WinCC Jul 29 11:20:34 siemens piece of shit Jul 29 11:21:01 and similiar scada software made by allen bradley with 10x more tags starts on 200MHz amd geode in 5 minutes Jul 29 11:21:11 ~wtf TL;DR Jul 29 11:21:13 usage: wtf . Jul 29 11:21:35 DocScrutinizer: too long; didn't read Jul 29 11:21:54 * t3ngu moet nog een koffie drinken Jul 29 11:22:05 back to work Jul 29 11:22:13 jacekowski: thanks Jul 29 11:23:11 >>These descriptions assume that you are using the latest official images. This page is not exactly a step-by-step instruction, so better read the whole page prior to starting the flashing process. Jul 29 11:23:22 first sentence on page core text Jul 29 11:24:32 it's italic, does it need BOLD too? Jul 29 11:25:14 bald too :) Jul 29 11:39:13 done - for you :-D Jul 29 11:39:18 <3 Jul 29 11:45:47 Got to say that doesn't look too good Jul 29 11:46:16 I think the device is frozen... Jul 29 11:48:59 the loading icons are still animating? Jul 29 11:49:31 had to reboot it Jul 29 11:49:53 it was frozen really. Jul 29 11:49:57 but I got some good news!!!! Jul 29 11:50:05 FINALLY came in dutch Jul 29 11:50:10 and asked for Pin code Jul 29 11:50:11 ! Jul 29 11:50:50 (yes I live in NL as well) Jul 29 11:59:34 t3ngu: please reload ~flash page, and follow the steps as mentioned there. Jul 29 11:59:57 DocScrutinizer: I am done. I got it working. Jul 29 12:00:05 Now I need to find out how I had all the settings before Jul 29 12:00:16 but it seems to be working (really!) Jul 29 12:00:39 you don't need to if you did a backup using backup app. The backup has all your settings (well, most of them) Jul 29 12:00:45 what backup :) Jul 29 12:01:03 I was playing with the kernel settings last night before bricking it. Jul 29 12:01:16 haha Jul 29 12:01:31 its ok I got vcf's for contacts and ics for cals Jul 29 12:01:32 you want to learn about backupmenu app! Jul 29 12:01:48 does complete image Jul 29 12:01:51 eh, not the first time I lose all my data so its ok Jul 29 12:01:59 I am used to it :) Jul 29 12:02:12 but I will follow your advise Jul 29 12:02:16 advice Jul 29 12:02:23 learn2backupmenu! praise robbiethe1st Jul 29 12:02:51 backupmenu != Nokia backup app Jul 29 12:02:58 I bet Jul 29 12:03:11 1st I need to get the root pkg Jul 29 12:03:16 so I can ssh to it Jul 29 12:03:27 :nod: Jul 29 12:03:32 rootsh is the name Jul 29 12:03:47 that yes Jul 29 12:03:48 hello, I'm using n900 maemo pr1.3. I installed uboot. Next I want to load the maemo. I have a 16GB memory card available. So, is it better to download the image to a win PC, to a linux PC or direct to the n900? Jul 29 12:04:07 ^^ want to load the MEEGO Jul 29 12:04:11 it's not ssh but simple "root" command to get root Jul 29 12:04:36 DocScrutinizer: yes yes, flashing is my weak spot. *nix is my strong one :) Jul 29 12:04:48 k Jul 29 12:04:55 flashing's simple. especially on Linux Jul 29 12:05:07 hi robbiethe1st :-D Jul 29 12:05:10 On x86_64 linux, though, you have to have the ia32-libs Jul 29 12:05:13 :P Jul 29 12:05:39 Primes: if you have a card ready then head to the meego wiki and write an current image to it Jul 29 12:05:59 Primes: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition#Installing_and_running Jul 29 12:12:34 hm, if i wanted to use qwt with my qt app on the n900, id need to compile the lib for arm. can the qtsdk do that for me? or should i get codesourcery toolchain for thatß Jul 29 12:20:35 thanks dm8tbr, I know I need to put the image onto the flash card, but what is the best way to write the image onto the card? Using n900, using a linux, using a windows? Jul 29 12:21:04 linux would probably be simpler Jul 29 12:22:29 if I plug my n900 into a linux PC using a USB cable, can I flash the meego image from the linux PC? Jul 29 12:23:37 yup Jul 29 12:23:42 ~flash Jul 29 12:23:43 rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 29 12:28:29 goodbye and thanks for all the help. Great support :) Jul 29 12:48:35 ruskie: wrong flash in this context Jul 29 12:49:08 ow meego... Jul 29 12:49:23 wouldn't that be a better question in #meego ? Jul 29 12:51:06 nb N900 in mass storage mode does NOT expose the physical device, so you probably can't use dd to it, to write a whole uSD image incl partitioning and all to it Jul 29 12:52:27 yes thanks ruskie it would fit better there. Jul 29 12:52:32 so you should probably use a proper linux with local cardreader and uSD plugged in. Doesn't matter if this is your N900 now, or an arbitrary desktop box with linux Jul 29 12:53:19 will take ages on the n900 though Jul 29 12:53:26 but -->#meego Jul 29 12:53:36 Docs: my linux box has an external cardreader with SD slot, I don't know if it understands v2 SDHC sizes though. So I will format from the n900 if possible Jul 29 12:54:11 chem|st: actually #meego-arm Jul 29 12:55:10 umount the right device and flash to the right dev and be aware that the boot time order is not the right dev order + what dm8tbr said! Jul 29 12:55:46 s/boot\ time/boottime/ Jul 29 12:59:16 DocScrutinizer: why not dd directly from maemo? Jul 29 12:59:30 Primes: see http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/GettingStarted#Install_MeeGo_image - also notice that all cardreaders shall understand SDHC nowadays Jul 29 12:59:45 BCMM: that's what I suggested Jul 29 12:59:50 oh, sorry Jul 29 13:00:03 BCMM: >> Doesn't matter if this is your N900 now, or an arbitrary desktop box with linux << Jul 29 13:00:11 ah, i wondered what that meant Jul 29 13:00:56 Primes: so your safest approach is to do the steps as mentioned at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/GettingStarted#Install_MeeGo_image on your N900 under maemo Jul 29 13:01:15 i know where i went wrong; i assumed "proper linux" was being used to imply something was missing from maemo Jul 29 13:02:04 au contraire, BCMM. Au contraire :-D Jul 29 13:03:21 I kinda "flashed" the meego image through mass-storage mode all the time using dd. Jul 29 13:03:54 except for possible speed issues, as chem|st mentioned, there's probably no cleaner better defined way to do it than n maemo on N900 Jul 29 13:04:12 NIN101: that can not work Jul 29 13:04:26 GNU nano refused to install from app manager because of missing library name something like ncurses. By adding a catalog and apt-get install I was able to add nano which also loaded the dependent library. It works. But it is nano 2.0.2. The one in my app manager is newer. So, will I just install the newer nano from app manager (which will have the library now) or some other way? Jul 29 13:04:39 except if you already had the uSD formatted in superfloppy format Jul 29 13:04:42 what nano versions do you have on your n900 nano -V Jul 29 13:05:06 nano -V Jul 29 13:05:06 GNU nano Version 2.2.6 (compiliert um 03:36:51, Dec 2 2010) Jul 29 13:05:51 nano? WTF is nano? ;-D Jul 29 13:05:55 mhm ... i wonder if it would be fun to hack lua to nano and make it sciptable Jul 29 13:06:05 call it micro then :P Jul 29 13:06:05 Hi, i have problem trying to use c-obs for harmattan :( can someone helpme? the build log is http://pastebin.com/1Ga4a4XX Jul 29 13:07:00 cehteh: I usually try to avoid touching it at all, as it's a pain without help Jul 29 13:07:10 DocScrutinizer: vi? Jul 29 13:07:29 mc Jul 29 13:07:35 ed Jul 29 13:07:39 i like nano a lot for small (configfile) editing jobs Jul 29 13:07:40 sed Jul 29 13:08:10 but otherwise i use emacs .. which unfortunally is pain slow when you add too much blink :P Jul 29 13:08:22 (cedet.sf.net) Jul 29 13:08:45 hello cehteh, yes 2.2.6 is the one listed in app manager that would not load before. Now that the library seems installed, maybe it will just load, but will it conflict with the older 2.0.2 version? If I removed that? how? would the library stay installed ready for the 2.2.6? Jul 29 13:08:55 I personally use vim a lot, it has syntax highlighting and some very nifty sed functionalities Jul 29 13:08:59 I bet nano is smart and all, but I fail to remember the commands Jul 29 13:09:11 Primes: no idea, i just installed it and it worked Jul 29 13:09:44 DocScrutinizer: i hardly use much ... search/replace copy/paste save and exit. thats enough Jul 29 13:09:46 lol just like Apple, it just works :-) But their html5 browser support is poor lol Jul 29 13:10:01 and the UI is fatally resembling me at word2.0 Jul 29 13:10:24 i was thinking about switching to SciTE but it lacks some stuff i need Jul 29 13:10:41 I installed vim, but I think it is a learning curve for me Jul 29 13:10:51 hey can anyone please make a much much faster elisp engine .. with JIT favorably Jul 29 13:11:14 or something like emacs but in lua Jul 29 13:11:31 well the problem is the awesome much code already written in elisp :P Jul 29 13:12:40 cehteh: plus I did a holy promise to never touch any system that doesn't have NC / mc installed, so using mcedit is quite naturally for me Jul 29 13:12:41 it'll be another learning curve from vi/vim to emacs Jul 29 13:13:34 I started with pico (which was the proprietary software that was part of pine and the GNU version was later and is now made as nano) but then realised vim was so much more powerful Jul 29 13:18:48 i dont like mc :P Jul 29 13:18:53 sorry for the noob question but if I installed nano 2.0.2 using apt-get install, how will I uninstall it, and will that also remove the library that it installed with it? Jul 29 13:19:21 better dont use apt-get directly use the application manager Jul 29 13:19:24 it takes care Jul 29 13:19:56 My friend Alex who is in the local Ruby user group was impressed when my N900 could run Ruby scripting Jul 29 13:20:17 apt-get remove nano Jul 29 13:20:25 ruby is even slower than python .. and that a lot :P Jul 29 13:20:36 apt-get remove --purge nano Jul 29 13:20:45 ah bleh *slaps self in the forehead* knee jerk reaction Jul 29 13:20:55 cehteh, yes but the app manager was not loading it so I was forced to go the apt-get route. If it now has the library needed, app manager may work to load it Jul 29 13:20:55 but careful the application manager puts some extra fairy dust on apt Jul 29 13:21:08 huh? Jul 29 13:21:09 thankyou kakashi I will try it Jul 29 13:21:41 if app manager doesnt work for you then something serious is broken :P Jul 29 13:22:57 I find HAM rather annoying at times :) fapman is so much more convenient (it heavily relies on the existing debian package management system, unlike HAM which uses its own obnoxious ways) Jul 29 13:23:33 what is repository of nokia I got 403 error from http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/ Jul 29 13:23:59 http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps Jul 29 13:24:05 its meant to be https Jul 29 13:24:06 cehteh I find a few apps won't install by app manager because of some missing it reports in the window "problems" in app manager Jul 29 13:24:23 I upgraded my phone Jul 29 13:24:58 and 403 iirc means forbidden Jul 29 13:25:51 http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps Jul 29 13:26:39 ok thanks everyone I now have nano 2.2.6 installed from app manager Jul 29 13:27:15 mintux: https! Jul 29 13:27:32 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps Jul 29 13:27:37 both of them I got error Jul 29 13:28:04 how do you connect? Jul 29 13:28:35 in my phone I got this error. now I open it in my browser in my pc Jul 29 13:28:42 and got access denied Jul 29 13:28:47 You don't have permission to access "http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps" on this server. Reference #18.ce407b5c.1311946038.29df6bff Jul 29 13:28:54 you can't open it with your normal browser Jul 29 13:29:11 from the phone it should work, browser may not work, maybe they need a client side certificate which is installed on your phone Jul 29 13:29:25 both of them return same error Jul 29 13:29:36 could you test it on your phone ? Jul 29 13:29:51 is the latest opera on maemo n900 the 11.0beta1-9fremantle0 ? Jul 29 13:30:12 no it needs username and password which is available in plaintext, but the server doesn't allow you to browse its own internal directory (which means you must specifically get a file, rather than index.html for instance) Jul 29 13:30:14 you can open http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ but http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps Jul 29 13:30:37 https! :P Jul 29 13:30:41 hatake_kakashi: no. it's not server problem to browse it Jul 29 13:30:55 works for me Jul 29 13:30:55 cehteh: test with https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps Jul 29 13:30:58 not different Jul 29 13:31:11 mintux: will not work in a browser Jul 29 13:31:17 mintux, you can't browse downloads.maemo.nokia.com with a normal browser Jul 29 13:31:23 they obliviously check for a client certificate Jul 29 13:31:42 hatake_kakashi: but it didn't work on my phone that I test it in normal browser Jul 29 13:31:45 maybe one can import the cert into a normal browser .. i never tried Jul 29 13:32:03 maybe nokia filter my country Jul 29 13:32:12 mintux: how did you tried that with the phone? app manager? Jul 29 13:32:21 cehteh: yes Jul 29 13:32:29 and you pasted serveral times about http .. it must be https Jul 29 13:32:31 mintux, you cannot verify it with a normal browser. You basically have to use HAM, fapman or a customised wget functionality Jul 29 13:32:55 cehteh: it's https on my phone Jul 29 13:32:57 maybe microb will work as you have the certs there Jul 29 13:33:01 I try with apt-get now Jul 29 13:33:23 actually `apt-get update' should work, so will aptitude update Jul 29 13:33:55 hatake_kakashi:sudo want password Jul 29 13:34:03 before it doesn't wantr Jul 29 13:34:32 no microb doesnt work either Jul 29 13:34:35 mintux, you've never set user password before? Jul 29 13:35:16 hatake_kakashi: I flash my phone . and upgrade it. yes I set but it doesn't ask from me. also it doesn't work with that passwords Jul 29 13:35:58 doest it have default password Jul 29 13:35:59 ? Jul 29 13:36:10 there's no default user password Jul 29 13:36:47 so what shall I do? Jul 29 13:37:01 it doesn't accept any password from me Jul 29 13:37:12 passwd Jul 29 13:37:14 sudo apt-get update Jul 29 13:37:20 dont use sudo Jul 29 13:37:23 and then type in new password, and confirm Jul 29 13:37:24 use rootsh Jul 29 13:37:44 well possibly fucked it up already :P Jul 29 13:37:49 installed ssh? Jul 29 13:37:56 the password for user cannot be changed Jul 29 13:38:03 rootsh: not found Jul 29 13:38:09 rootsh is a package Jul 29 13:38:22 hehe install it .. ah moment you cant .. Jul 29 13:38:32 wtf .. what have you done to your phone? Jul 29 13:38:40 my repository doesn't work . passwd -sudo su doesn't work after upgrade Jul 29 13:39:02 sounds something is broken Jul 29 13:39:46 just do it from http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 29 13:40:38 you need to study linux CLI more mintux, sudo requires user password, not root password. su requires root password. passwd does not require any other parameters if one is setting the password for that logged in user (in terminal obviously) Jul 29 13:41:57 hatake_kakashi: I am linux administrator . and I know everything about CLI linux. I had two password and use them when I I want to connect from ssh .both of them doesn't work Jul 29 13:43:28 mintux, sounds like you don't know everything about linux CLI from my perspective Jul 29 13:44:00 hatake_kakashi: CLI means Command line interface Jul 29 13:44:07 and so what is wrong with installing rootsh? have you tried to alleviate via r&d mode? Jul 29 13:44:25 and both of password doesn't work and I think it should doesn't work because / formated Jul 29 13:44:34 I saw /etc/passwd also Jul 29 13:44:43 no Jul 29 13:44:53 mintux, yes I know what it means, understanding the acronym doesn't mean much when there's bazillion programs available in command line realm Jul 29 13:44:53 just step by step form that manual Jul 29 13:45:05 my image was RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jul 29 13:45:14 from which manual? Jul 29 13:45:22 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 29 13:45:40 sudo flasher-3.5 -F -f -R Jul 29 13:46:15 I don't think that wiki page is going to help you with repository issues Jul 29 13:47:29 my problem now is the passwords doesn't work. app manager doesn't connect to nokia repository for install new softwares Jul 29 13:48:31 have you bothered to install rootsh yet? Jul 29 13:49:08 hatake_kakashi: I will try it now Jul 29 13:49:19 is there a way to check or confirm the n900 lock code without locking the device? I assume I have the default 12345 lock code but I'm not sure Jul 29 13:51:15 what is http://swipe.nokia.com Jul 29 13:51:17 ? Jul 29 13:52:11 some web designer was bored Jul 29 13:52:24 when I open http://maemo.nokia.com redirect to that Jul 29 13:52:24 swipe is the new UI for n9, they are using the URL to plug the new model(s). It is redirecting the "Maemo select" to the swipe area. I wanted to know what was there before that Jul 29 13:52:55 Primes, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=435433&postcount=5 Jul 29 13:53:00 maybe maemo doesn't support anymore with nokia Jul 29 13:53:14 and it doesn't work me Jul 29 13:54:40 I was refer to the lock code on the device, not the linux password that hash can be cracked. Jul 29 13:55:01 Primes, have a look closely where it obtains the code Jul 29 13:55:16 * cehteh wonders when nokia will shutdown the maemo.org servers Jul 29 13:55:27 I bought my n900 used. It is not locked to a network. But I might like to use the locking feature. Unfortunately if the previous user set a code then did not return it to default I'm worried if I try it I will be locked out Jul 29 13:55:39 /dev/mtd1 != /etc/{passwd,passwd-,shadow,shadow-) Jul 29 13:56:06 cehteh, they will do it when windows phone 7 is successful, so I think we're ok for a while hahaha Jul 29 13:56:29 Primes: there is some way to hack the lockcode as long you have access to the device .. described somewhere on talk.maemo.org Jul 29 13:56:31 s/)/}/ Jul 29 13:56:31 hatake_kakashi meant: /dev/mtd1 != /etc/{passwd,passwd-,shadow,shadow-} Jul 29 13:56:59 I don't need to hack the lock code I just want to check the lock code I have is the actual one Jul 29 13:57:24 you can't check it without hacking it, get it? Jul 29 13:59:03 I have to disable nokia repository Jul 29 13:59:13 just maemo.org I have Jul 29 14:01:27 Primes: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808 Jul 29 14:16:26 I want to type this on my n900: echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): but how to obtain the vertical line pipe symbol on my keyboard? Jul 29 14:16:53 blue arrow + sym key Jul 29 14:18:41 thanks kakashi, that's really neat Jul 29 14:19:34 blue + ctrl Jul 29 14:20:22 * X-Fade just got a low battery alarm from his N950 which he last charged 8 days ago. Jul 29 14:22:24 You're not using it enough! Jul 29 14:22:59 SpeedEvil: That one was idle, connected to wifi, yes. Jul 29 14:23:24 * hatake_kakashi wonders how long will maemo.org site last without Nokia's full backing now. There's already a few posts on a thread on speculations of disappearing act with maemo.org. People are slowly wanting to create mirrors Jul 29 14:23:25 Connected to GSM too? Jul 29 14:23:35 I doubt that Jul 29 14:23:43 SpeedEvil: No, did not have a sim in it. Jul 29 14:24:07 N900 does about the same Jul 29 14:33:54 ok I was able to extract the lock code password from my n900. On a desktop opensuse 11.4 I ran john the ripper and verified that the lock code is 12345. Now I can use the locking without being locked out yay! Jul 29 14:34:15 It took under a second of processing time Jul 29 14:48:55 5 character passwords out of a 10 character alphabet isnt really much Jul 29 14:50:02 especially if its just numbers, 10^5-1 possibilities? :) Jul 29 16:00:38 i want to install opera mobile on my n900, but when i select that for installation it says: unable to install opera mobile . application package missing: libhildon1 (>=2.2.22). what is its problem? Jul 29 16:01:00 hildon is one of the platform libraries Jul 29 16:01:08 have you upgraded to the latest firmware version? Jul 29 16:01:57 mgedmin: dunno, i've bought this device yesterday, i dunno which version it is using Jul 29 16:02:46 mgedmin: how can i find out? Jul 29 16:07:21 TimmyT, Settings -> About Device Jul 29 16:07:30 will give you the version number Jul 29 16:07:52 mgedmin: uname -a says: Jul 29 16:07:52 Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 15 09:47:09 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown Jul 29 16:08:07 better run osso-product-info Jul 29 16:08:23 latest firmware is 20.2010.36-2_PR, I think Jul 29 16:09:03 mgedmin: OSSO_VERSION='RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0' Jul 29 16:09:21 yes, that's not the latest one Jul 29 16:09:27 you should be able to upgrade over the air Jul 29 16:09:47 via App manger Jul 29 16:10:10 if it doesn't offer you a system update, look here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 29 16:12:01 mgedmin: Hey, the symlink approach does not work in scratchbox Jul 29 16:12:39 RST38h, please be more specific Jul 29 16:12:53 mgedmin: scratchbox will not follow the symlink Jul 29 16:12:58 says the directory is missing Jul 29 16:13:22 I believe I said that you cannot access the host filesystem from inside scratchbox Jul 29 16:13:32 (unless you create a bind mount) Jul 29 16:13:50 I use a symlink to access the scratchbox target filesystem from the host system more conveniently Jul 29 16:14:36 ah shit Jul 29 16:14:45 So, how do I access my source code from scratchbox? Jul 29 16:14:59 you copy it there Jul 29 16:15:15 mv ~/src/random-project ~/scratchbox/ Jul 29 16:15:18 is what I do Jul 29 16:15:30 then when I sb-login, I can work in ./random-project Jul 29 16:15:43 and when I don't sb-login, I can work in ~/scratchbox/random-project Jul 29 16:15:59 rotfl Jul 29 16:16:13 I...*copy* them there? The whole tree? And maintain two copies of the tree? :) Jul 29 16:16:24 you, sb1 people, are funny. Jul 29 16:16:49 you're absolutely right, and that's why I changed my mind midstream and gave you an example that used 'mv' Jul 29 16:16:52 and not 'cp' Jul 29 16:17:21 mgedmin: Nice. So, once I do mv, how do I continue developing for Windows or Android or Linux desktop? Jul 29 16:17:54 same way you did before? Jul 29 16:18:53 except instead of cd ~/src/yourproject you cd ~/scratchbox/yourproject Jul 29 16:20:29 mgedmin: I just moved the files Jul 29 16:20:44 mgedmin: from my windoze disk to some weird subir under /scratchbox Jul 29 16:20:56 in linux, not accessible from windoze Jul 29 16:21:07 ah! *now* I understand your predicament Jul 29 16:21:18 you want your source tree to reside on a Windows partition Jul 29 16:21:25 ok, in that case symlinks will not help Jul 29 16:21:29 but bind mounts would Jul 29 16:21:36 mgedminL I want my source tree to reside where I want it to reside, not under /scratchbox Jul 29 16:22:29 a bind mount can make it appear in two places at the same time Jul 29 16:23:43 sudo mount --bind /path/to/your/source/tree /scratchbox/users/rst38h/home/rst38h/emptydirectoryname Jul 29 16:23:57 aha, much better =) Jul 29 16:24:07 * RST38h is trying to do the same with /etc/mtab Jul 29 16:24:20 I wonder how build tools will cope with NTFS semantics Jul 29 16:25:25 I doubt they will care Jul 29 16:27:00 you'll find out, I guess Jul 29 16:28:51 on nokia n900 contacts list for dialler, is it possible to store a contact for "O2 network balance check" where the number to dial is *#10# Jul 29 16:29:10 [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~] > mount Jul 29 16:29:10 bash: mount: command not found Jul 29 16:29:15 ? Jul 29 16:30:11 RST38h, you run the mount on the host system, obviously Jul 29 16:30:38 Primes, I dunno, have you tried? Jul 29 16:31:00 in the dialled number field I don't seem to be able to enter the star prefix Jul 29 16:31:11 hm. Jul 29 16:31:25 my old nokia 8310 (not even colour screen) could do this lol Jul 29 16:32:00 I can manually enter *#10# in the dialler and it will return my network credit Jul 29 16:32:29 i think that's what arhash-enabler is for Jul 29 16:32:30 mgedmin: except I will not see it from inside sb Jul 29 16:32:40 but, I want to store that code. There is some update in app manager for star code services, is that relevant? Jul 29 16:32:48 s/ar/star/ Jul 29 16:32:49 Sicelo meant: i think that's what starhash-enabler is for Jul 29 16:33:28 RST38h, aaaaugh yes you will Jul 29 16:33:47 RST38h, /scratchbox/users/rst38h/ *is* what you see inside scratchbox Jul 29 16:34:06 so if you mount something under it, you'll see it in scratchbox Jul 29 16:34:14 hmm...ok Jul 29 16:34:33 run mount, you'll notice that /scratchbox itself is bind-mounted on /scratchbox/users/XXX/scratchbox Jul 29 16:34:57 so bind mounts provably work Jul 29 16:37:03 YAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Jul 29 16:37:07 mgedmin: Works. Jul 29 16:37:14 :) Jul 29 16:37:26 Next step: trying to compile a Qt version of EMULib Jul 29 16:39:14 Ok, no pkg-config Jul 29 16:39:46 really? Jul 29 16:40:10 sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: /host/EMUL8/Speccy/Meego] > file /usr/bin/pkg-config Jul 29 16:40:22 usr/bin/pkg-config: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped Jul 29 16:40:32 [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: /host/EMUL8/Speccy/Meego] > pkg-config Jul 29 16:40:32 bash: /usr/bin/pkg-config: No such file or directory Jul 29 16:40:39 weird! Jul 29 16:40:43 I.e. the file is there, but it does not run Jul 29 16:40:47 [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~] > pkg-config Jul 29 16:40:47 Must specify package names on the command line Jul 29 16:41:08 I think your HARMATTAN_ARMEL target is broken Jul 29 16:41:36 sb-conf show -> http://pastie.org/2290695 Jul 29 16:41:44 none of the arm binaries run Jul 29 16:41:45 im using debian amd64 edition, which version of flasher i've to download and use? that download page is a little bit confusion Jul 29 16:42:07 Compiler: cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7-hard Jul 29 16:42:07 Devkits: qemu Jul 29 16:42:07 CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb Jul 29 16:42:22 TimmyT, flasher-3.5 Jul 29 16:42:28 qemu starts Jul 29 16:42:42 although I'm on a x86 host; don't know if flasher works on amd64 Jul 29 16:43:15 When running qemu-arm-sb pkg-config, it runs Jul 29 16:43:19 mgedmin: dunno, there are sum libraries to run x86 apps in amd64 arch Jul 29 16:43:24 I wonder if pkg-config is overwritten by some devkit in mine Jul 29 16:43:43 TimmyT, I think I once tried to flash on my amd64 desktop, and it worked, but I don't remember for sure Jul 29 16:44:17 TimmyT, google says it will work: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/7218 Jul 29 16:44:36 unless a newer flasher (or a newer kernel) introduced a bug :) Jul 29 16:45:37 Ok, fixed this one by adding devkits Jul 29 16:46:08 It compiles now Jul 29 16:47:29 OMG I HAVE GOT A BINARY Jul 29 16:47:38 Next: packaging Jul 29 16:47:52 [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: /host/EMUL8/Speccy/Meego] > file speccy Jul 29 16:47:52 speccy: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped Jul 29 16:48:28 or will this satanic aegis thingie let me run my app without packaging? Jul 29 16:48:40 if you're this happy from seeing a binary in scratchbox, I can't wait until you try out Qt Creator :) Jul 29 16:48:58 there's no aegis in scratchbox Jul 29 16:49:09 you can't run a binary on the n950 without first dpkg'ing Jul 29 16:49:15 although maybe develsh would let you? Jul 29 16:49:17 mgedmin: tried it yesterday. The freaking excuse for an IDE could not even run compiled binarieson the emulator Jul 29 16:49:23 mgedmin: its own sample binaries Jul 29 16:49:40 it took a *really* long time for the emulator to startup Jul 29 16:49:41 mgedmin: Uninstalled Jul 29 16:49:43 but then it worked for me Jul 29 16:49:58 mgedmin: Well for me it could not find dh-make and dpkg did not work either Jul 29 16:50:22 mgedmin: Under Windoze though, maybe it simply does not work under Windoze (but nobody warns you of this) Jul 29 16:50:43 maybe nobody tried it under Windows Jul 29 16:51:10 what developer would choose Windows as his development platform of choice? Jul 29 16:51:47 mgedmin:Look, I had 5.5GB free on WIndoze, and 2.5GB freeon Linux.The goddamn QtSDK needs at least 3.5GB Jul 29 16:52:13 So, I gave it a try under Windows. No doughnut. Jul 29 16:52:14 yeah, /opt/QtSDK is 5.5 GB on my laptop Jul 29 16:53:49 Is there an example of the debian packaging for harmattan somewhere? Jul 29 16:53:59 namely,the control file and whatever aegis wants Jul 29 16:54:30 plain old debian control files work Jul 29 16:54:56 yes, but what should put in and where do the binaries usuallygo? Jul 29 16:54:58 one of the devkits replaces dpkg-gencontrol and makes it add the aegis stuff automatically Jul 29 16:55:05 binaries go to /usr/bin, like usual Jul 29 16:55:27 you can add an icon to your debian/control if you wish Jul 29 16:55:41 and you can add 'Maemo-Flags: visible' if you want your package to be listed in the app manager Jul 29 16:56:14 http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html -> Platform guide -> Packaging your application with Harmattan Platform SDK Jul 29 17:00:06 aha Jul 29 17:00:19 same icon size as in fremangle? Jul 29 17:00:28 I don't remember; check the docs Jul 29 17:00:33 I haven't bothered with icons yet Jul 29 17:00:40 XB-Maemo-Flags? Jul 29 17:00:40 which is a shame, since packrat extracts and shows them Jul 29 17:01:59 * RST38h giggles happily Jul 29 17:02:19 [in a voice of the "Crucifying Jesus" character] That was *my* idea =) Jul 29 17:05:58 mgedmin: do I still need osso-service? Jul 29 17:06:12 I don't even know what it is Jul 29 17:06:38 let me put it this way: when I ported vim and fbreader, I did not encounter anything called 'osso-service' Jul 29 17:06:57 ok, removing it Jul 29 17:07:30 what is the default SMS app in n900 I can reply to inbound SMS, but can't see how to launch it to make a new one Jul 29 17:08:04 Conversations Jul 29 17:16:22 thankyou corsar I added an icon to launch it Jul 29 17:18:27 Shameless plug. Can anyone please test and vote for my app in extras-testing? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/marketstoday/0.3-0maemo5/ Jul 29 17:22:27 * ShadowJK goes check it out Jul 29 17:30:39 I just noticed my screen frame is not tight anymore. the bottom and top sides can be pushed together Jul 29 17:31:53 also, the magnet on the stand fell off and the frame of the keyboard at the bottom has been slightly elevated early on Jul 29 17:32:13 it's not exactly the best piece of hardware I've seen, quality wisw Jul 29 17:32:13 * mgedmin lost the stand magnet too Jul 29 17:32:30 friction still keeps the stand closed Jul 29 17:32:56 mgedmin: mine isn't lost, it's sticking to the other end. I need to reglue i Jul 29 17:33:03 t Jul 29 17:33:06 I think mine's the same way Jul 29 17:33:18 but I'm not technical enough to use glue :) Jul 29 17:33:41 that would count as hardware hacking in my book Jul 29 17:33:45 and I'm a pure software guy Jul 29 17:34:00 mgedmin, the N900 is opensource, sticky-patches welcome Jul 29 17:34:26 and then there's of course the usb port Jul 29 17:36:53 * ShadowJK tries to remember what the trick was to make the upvote button on packages.maemo.org actually work Jul 29 17:37:25 is there some way to have the fm transmitter not turn off when hitting pause in the mediaplayer? also, is there some way to tell media player not to stop when exiting, but instead pause? Jul 29 17:37:33 ah, editing the url and replacing http with https was the trick Jul 29 17:50:34 RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:/home/user/MyDocs# speccy Jul 29 17:50:34 -sh: speccy: Operation not permitted Jul 29 17:50:41 mgedmin: No doughnut here either Jul 29 17:51:13 did you build a deb, or just copy the binary over? Jul 29 17:51:25 ShadowJK - Thanks for the vote Jul 29 17:51:28 built and installed a deb Jul 29 17:52:05 :/ Jul 29 17:52:46 does it have all the right digsigsums stuff? Jul 29 17:52:53 (as if I knew how to check...) Jul 29 17:53:25 no idea Jul 29 17:56:06 man I should be grateful that we at least have a device as close to linux as this Jul 29 18:00:20 it's 2011 and it's still not taken for granted that I can just rsync some music while on the train, listen to it at the same time and write something on irc while waiting for an install to complete on a remote server I'm accessing through ssh. Jul 29 18:05:26 I need to buy a spare battery though :< Jul 29 18:07:27 you won't have _that_ problem with the n9 Jul 29 18:07:46 (unless you decide to buy a spare n9 instead, I suppose) Jul 29 18:08:26 it's sealed? Jul 29 18:08:33 yes Jul 29 18:08:50 well I'm not interested anyway. need a keyboard. it's a shame they dont sell the N950 Jul 29 18:09:00 I agree with you there Jul 29 18:09:20 don't know what I'll do when nokia asks for the N950 back Jul 29 18:09:33 although the vkb is surprisingly good Jul 29 18:09:36 mgedmin: you bastard have one :> Jul 29 18:09:45 and I lived with they keyboardless 770 quite happily Jul 29 18:13:04 mgedmin: Would you mind send me your packaging stuff? Like debian/ and control? Jul 29 18:13:29 my packaging stuff of what? Jul 29 18:13:57 everything I've built has proper source packages publicly available at http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/harmattan/ Jul 29 18:14:11 thanks! Jul 29 18:15:11 mgedmin: both vim and fbreader install and run on harmattan? Jul 29 18:15:53 yes Jul 29 18:16:02 I should move fbreader from experimental/ to user/ Jul 29 18:16:14 maybe Jul 29 18:24:50 mgedmin: got a repo btw? Jul 29 18:25:08 that url you saw was a repo Jul 29 18:25:18 http://mg.pov.lt/770/ has more info Jul 29 18:25:22 aha Jul 29 18:25:33 why do I have /var/lib/dpkg/lock? Jul 29 18:25:47 ok, it's gone now Jul 29 18:27:02 crashed dpkg or something Jul 29 19:37:11 mgedmin: apt-worker Jul 29 19:39:32 to bad your not in #ubuntu, DocScrutinizer51! your always so acctiv and helpfull! :P Jul 29 19:40:47 Cor-Ai: why this sarcasm? Jul 29 19:41:11 ps|grep apt didn't show anything Jul 29 19:41:16 neither did ps|grep dpkg Jul 29 19:41:29 the timestamp was weird -- between 1 and 2 am Jul 29 19:41:39 DocScrutinizer51: no sarcasm! :) Jul 29 19:41:46 and then the lock file just up and disappeared after a while Jul 29 19:41:59 I'd opened the Applications thingy from Settings Jul 29 19:42:07 and with it open tried to apt-get install Jul 29 19:42:17 when I got the dpkg lock, I closed both Applications and Settings Jul 29 19:42:34 the lock did not go away Jul 29 19:42:39 then I ran apt-get update Jul 29 19:42:43 after that the lock was gone Jul 29 20:12:52 Scifig, btw, if you have a ticker in the app, and press the infobutton to get to detailed info, the news list scrolling bleeds through Jul 29 20:13:16 * ShadowJK hopes he remembered right nickname Jul 29 20:13:41 ShadowJK, Yes I noticed that. Jul 29 20:15:35 This is my first QML app. Still have lot to understand :) Jul 29 20:16:23 hm, do the historic graphs work for you? Jul 29 20:16:51 Yes, they do. Aren't they working for you? Jul 29 20:17:10 What happens when you click on other buttons? Jul 29 20:17:36 hi all Jul 29 20:18:10 you mean the different time periods? Jul 29 20:18:34 yes. Jul 29 20:18:59 hi wazd Jul 29 20:19:02 Spinning circle in the middle, no hint that a button is selected or has been pushed Jul 29 20:28:51 ShadowJK, sent you a PRIVMSG to take the discussion offline. Jul 29 20:32:53 I have installed pidgin on my phone, but when i want to connect my yahoo account it doesn't work.it says: Unable to validate certificate Jul 29 20:34:03 Unable to connect to login.yahoo.com Jul 29 20:34:45 How i can fix it? Jul 29 20:36:28 u finally flashed? Jul 29 20:39:55 Not yet.but i'll do it today.i've just 230 mb available bandwidth in my adsl account.i must buy account first Jul 29 20:40:46 I'll do it as soon as possible Jul 29 20:41:47 my gprs is bad tonight, so my pidgin unstable... Jul 29 20:42:15 but for yahoo, hope all your settings, esp ports, are corredt Jul 29 20:44:04 They're ok.before i have similar problem in my pc.i just updated pidgn.but here dunno wat to do Jul 29 20:47:55 that's why i asked if u had flashed yet :/ there's a yahoo add-on for Converstions. maybe u could install that and compare Jul 29 20:48:25 s/rst/rsat/ Jul 29 20:48:26 Sicelo meant: that's why i asked if u had flashed yet :/ there's a yahoo add-on for Conversations. maybe u could install that and compare Jul 29 20:49:27 What Qt widget or layout to use to implement something like n900's task launcher or image viewer? The QGridLaout looks a bit too static Jul 29 20:54:18 none, you need your own widget Jul 29 20:54:32 TimmyT: /win 19 Jul 29 20:54:41 omg Jul 29 21:10:30 How can i set socks proxy? Jul 30 00:06:01 good morning Jul 30 00:06:09 grr Jul 30 00:06:25 morning Jul 30 00:35:42 * SpeedEvil rages at bugs. Jul 30 00:35:45 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9827 Jul 30 00:35:46 04Bug 9827: Blocks should have highscore Jul 30 00:36:13 bugs.maemo.org uses an invalid security certificate. Jul 30 00:36:13 The certificate expired on 07/28/2011 12:59 AM. The current time is 07/30/2011 01:35 AM. Jul 30 00:36:13 hmm Jul 30 00:37:33 <_NIN> yes Jul 30 00:53:32 any of you guys played with mtd-utils? and specifically on flasher-3.5's unpacked fiasco images? for some weird reason the mtd-utils I got, I can't extract rootfs.jffs2. In saying so, file reports rootfs.jffs2 as HIT data. I might give 0xFFFF a try Jul 30 01:30:46 n900 doesn't like the word "preenv" ;) Jul 30 01:31:25 oh wtf Jul 30 01:31:31 ossofilemanager crashes the thing Jul 30 01:32:38 mount network share, select copy, new folder destination, crash Jul 30 01:32:50 time to report some bugs Jul 30 01:37:48 hatake_kakashi: I don't think we got any jffs2 on N900 Jul 30 01:38:22 hatake_kakashi: it's a UBIFS image Jul 30 01:38:39 hatake_kakashi: rootfs of fremantle/N900 is ubifs Jul 30 01:39:43 DocScrutinizer && Hurrian: heh good thing some wise people are still awake :). I've figured it out sometime a little afterwards that it is UBIFS, with all the UBI! words in the first few lines of that rootfs.jffs2. Now to dump it would be another thing Jul 30 01:40:47 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35554 Jul 30 01:41:45 thanks Hurrian Jul 30 01:42:16 maemo = most pelicular linux distro ever Jul 30 01:42:39 oh right, back to reporting that bug Jul 30 01:43:00 * SpeedEvil ponders. Jul 30 01:43:55 methinks memory corruption Jul 30 01:44:51 oh well, at least the reboots didnt damage the home filesystem Jul 30 02:28:41 hello all! Jul 30 02:28:53 I'm trying to get the bleeding edge drivers loaded when I boot Jul 30 02:29:01 instead of my usual protocol of doing it manually every single time Jul 30 02:29:33 I made a file in event.d Jul 30 02:30:50 (called kernel-power) and put the script from this post in it: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=951226&postcount=361 Jul 30 02:31:22 however, it still won't load up. The part in 'script' is of course something that DOES work when I do it manually (/home/user instead of /home/user/lxp) Jul 30 02:31:31 any idea how to even troubleshoot it? Jul 30 02:31:39 do I have to chmod +x the script or something? Jul 30 02:32:58 orangey: yes Jul 30 02:33:19 radic: that is not the condition of most other scripts in that dir Jul 30 02:34:02 put #!/bin/bash in the first line Jul 30 02:34:26 radic: that would make this file completely unique and unlike all the other files in event.d, and not in accordance with what the wiki says Jul 30 02:35:47 not too surprisingly, +x didn't change anything Jul 30 02:36:25 and #!/bin/bash in the first line? Jul 30 02:39:26 radic: no, but like I stated, none of the files in /etc/event.d have that Jul 30 02:39:38 and it is not the proper syntax according to the wiki Jul 30 02:43:25 is bash even installed by default? Jul 30 02:43:25 orangey: you've strace installed? Jul 30 02:43:41 ShadowJK: I have bash installed anyhow Jul 30 02:43:45 in any case, bad idea to get bash involved in bootup scripts Jul 30 02:43:46 radic: actually, don't believe so Jul 30 02:44:39 I think I got it.. have to do exec Jul 30 02:45:35 ShadowJK: bash is installed by default on my N800 Jul 30 02:47:44 bash isn't installed as default on any N900, nor was it provided with the firmware image Jul 30 02:47:48 i weep for my orphaned n900 Jul 30 02:48:04 it's so wonderful Jul 30 02:48:07 and so hackable Jul 30 02:48:12 the default shell is ash which is provided by busybox **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 30 02:59:56 2011