**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 01 02:59:57 2011
Aug 01 03:03:33 <DocScrutinizer> Seta00: please first flash COMBINED image, then repeat the VANILLA flashing
Aug 01 03:05:34 <Seta00> wo ho ho
Aug 01 03:05:40 <Seta00> it's actually doing something now
Aug 01 03:07:44 <DocScrutinizer> if you want to be absolutely sure your system is ok, then you might want to flash COMBINED a second time, after flashing VANILLA succeeded
Aug 01 03:07:46 <Seta00> DocScrutinizer: do I need to take extra caution? the wiki page says that I must flash the vanilla image *immediately* after the reboot
Aug 01 03:08:50 <DocScrutinizer> Seta00: the flashing of vanilla will erase /opt. Flashing of COMBINED makes device create /opt on next boot *only*
Aug 01 03:09:37 <Seta00> CMT flashed successfully
Aug 01 03:09:38 <Seta00> yay
Aug 01 03:09:51 <DocScrutinizer> so if you flash COMBINED first and then (by accident) "boot" the device, and *tehn* flash VANILLA, your /opt will be gone
Aug 01 03:10:32 <Seta00> DocScrutinizer: so I can flash vanilla right away? because I can't turn it off
Aug 01 03:10:41 <Seta00> even if I hold it for 8+ seconds it wont shut down
Aug 01 03:10:51 <DocScrutinizer> where boot=screen with NOKIA *AND* USB symbol vanishing for any arbitrarily short time
Aug 01 03:11:21 <DocScrutinizer> yes, unless you unplugged it you should be able to flash vanilla immediately
Aug 01 03:11:28 <Seta00> UGH
Aug 01 03:11:52 <DocScrutinizer> if you unplugged it, it started to boot
Aug 01 03:12:04 <Seta00>  http://pastebin.com/8vS7BwjS
Aug 01 03:12:14 <DocScrutinizer> you still can flash vanilla, but you need to redo the combined flash after that then
Aug 01 03:12:38 <Seta00> I didnt unplug it
Aug 01 03:12:42 <Seta00> I started the vanilla flash
Aug 01 03:12:46 <Seta00> and the device booted
Aug 01 03:12:57 <Seta00> http://pastebin.com/BSaBMwNZ
Aug 01 03:13:58 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 01 03:14:09 <Seta00> k so I'm gonna try vanilla now
Aug 01 03:14:49 <Seta00> same error :(
Aug 01 03:15:16 <DocScrutinizer> strange
Aug 01 03:15:43 <DocScrutinizer> please pastebin the combined flashing process output
Aug 01 03:15:55 <SpeedEvil> Oh - misread.
Aug 01 03:16:00 <DocScrutinizer> the whole session
Aug 01 03:16:45 <Seta00> DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/e9tjFHrY
Aug 01 03:17:50 <Seta00> at least it's different error now
Aug 01 03:17:51 <Seta00> USB device found found at bus 005, device address 010.
Aug 01 03:17:51 <Seta00> Error claiming USB interface: No such file or directory
Aug 01 03:19:09 <DocScrutinizer> try doing the combined flashing again, then immediately issue the vanilla flasher cmd when combined is finished
Aug 01 03:20:09 <DocScrutinizer> odds are the "reboot" now caused loading of some driver on your PC and now even flashing combined will fail
Aug 01 03:21:08 <DocScrutinizer> also an occasional glance at syslog will probably help 
Aug 01 03:21:41 <DocScrutinizer> you'd notice it from the driver printing debug logs there when it gets loaded
Aug 01 03:24:13 <Seta00> ok, the combined flash is working
Aug 01 03:24:24 <DocScrutinizer> watch syslog
Aug 01 03:28:05 <Seta00> same result
Aug 01 03:28:27 <Seta00> syslog shows the phone disconnecting and then connecting in pc suite mode
Aug 01 03:28:46 <DocScrutinizer> that means it reboots
Aug 01 03:28:55 <Seta00> http://pastebin.com/tctnz2kc
Aug 01 03:29:08 <Seta00> DocScrutinizer, it does, right after I try to flash the vanilla image
Aug 01 03:29:24 <Seta00> more precisely, after "Booting device into flash mode."
Aug 01 03:30:46 <Seta00> I wonder if this image is corrupted or something
Aug 01 03:31:01 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, for some reason the USB device for flashing-mode doesn't come up on your PC. strange
Aug 01 03:32:35 <DocScrutinizer> I rather think along the line of http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#USB
Aug 01 03:33:28 <hiemanshu> Seta00: windows PC?
Aug 01 03:33:30 <DocScrutinizer> or cdc_phonet module getting loaded or already loaded on you rPC
Aug 01 03:33:45 <DocScrutinizer> nah, fedora15
Aug 01 03:34:43 <hiemanshu> ah, you have to do a sudo 
Aug 01 03:34:44 <DocScrutinizer> I never noticed the flasher is booting the system "into flashing-mode" for eMMC/VANILLA
Aug 01 03:34:57 <Seta00> DocScrutinizer, cdc_phonet and phonet are blacklisted
Aug 01 03:35:00 <DocScrutinizer> always thought this is done via NOLO
Aug 01 03:35:07 <DocScrutinizer> Seta00: you told that
Aug 01 03:35:09 <hiemanshu> Seta00: ah ok
Aug 01 03:35:27 <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer: it always does that from the image
Aug 01 03:35:35 <DocScrutinizer> still the symptoms are like it was there
Aug 01 03:36:08 <hiemanshu> Seta00: do you do the press U, insert cable way?
Aug 01 03:36:12 <Seta00> why does it only need to boot into flashing mode when I'm flashing the vanilla image?
Aug 01 03:36:19 <Seta00> hiemanshu, yes
Aug 01 03:36:55 <hiemanshu> Seta00: what is the exact command you use to flash?
Aug 01 03:37:07 <Seta00> ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f
Aug 01 03:37:16 <DocScrutinizer> obviously partitioning and formatting of eMMC is done via "normal linux maemo system"
Aug 01 03:37:23 <Seta00> ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f
Aug 01 03:37:52 <DocScrutinizer> hiemanshu: you got backscroll? please check the pastebins of Seta00 
Aug 01 03:38:02 <Seta00> ˆ
Aug 01 03:39:54 <hiemanshu> Seta00: your last pastebin shows you did combined first and then vanilla, isn't it supposed to be the other way round?
Aug 01 03:40:13 <Seta00> DocScrutinizer told me to try that way
Aug 01 03:40:18 <Seta00> vanilla doesnt work anyway
Aug 01 03:40:20 <Seta00> :P
Aug 01 03:42:28 <DocScrutinizer> hiemanshu: up til today everybody told me and I thought it's basically irrelevant which sequence you use to flash, as long as you don't boot. But obviously the Vanilla flashing relies on a working rootfs, so it _can_not_ work to flash vanilla first when you thoroughly messed up the system
Aug 01 03:43:20 <Seta00> the word you want is 'cannot' :)
Aug 01 03:43:33 <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer: sure, but then you do rootfs, vanilla, rootfs
Aug 01 03:43:53 <DocScrutinizer> at least the "booting device into flash mode" part suggests you need a working rootfs on device
Aug 01 03:44:12 <DocScrutinizer> yes, that's what I suggested to Seta00 
Aug 01 03:44:14 <hiemanshu> you have to do that way when you have meego on your eMMC and want maemo back
Aug 01 03:44:18 <Seta00> do you guys have some other suggestion? otherwise I'm calling this a day, it's almost 1AM and I have to wake up at 7 :|
Aug 01 03:44:36 <Seta00> we can try more of this exciting stuff tomorrow
Aug 01 03:45:20 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Aug 01 03:46:03 <DocScrutinizer> I'm short of "simple" solutions for the "Error claiming USB interface: No such file or directory" problem
Aug 01 03:46:24 <hiemanshu> Seta00: plug it back in, do a lsusb before starting the flashing, and once after the flashing has started
Aug 01 03:46:24 <DocScrutinizer> but it more than ever indicates the problem is on your PC OS
Aug 01 03:46:41 <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer: I use fedora 15, works fine every single time
Aug 01 03:46:48 <DocScrutinizer> Seta00: just one suggestion, unplug and replug
Aug 01 03:46:57 <Seta00> hiemanshu, the combined flash?
Aug 01 03:47:03 <hiemanshu> Seta00: no, vanilla
Aug 01 03:47:10 <Seta00> well the flashing never starts
Aug 01 03:47:22 <hiemanshu> yes, after running the command
Aug 01 03:47:24 <DocScrutinizer> Seta00: unplug, remove battery to power down immediately
Aug 01 03:47:52 <DocScrutinizer> reinsert battery and replug, while flasher waiting for device on VANILLA flashing
Aug 01 03:48:13 <hiemanshu> gah, CSSU wont install without it getting me to create backups, and after I create backup, it does nothing :/
Aug 01 03:48:42 <Seta00> wtf
Aug 01 03:48:51 <Seta00> weird
Aug 01 03:49:34 <Seta00> http://pastebin.com/JpGNkLhF
Aug 01 03:50:33 <hiemanshu> Seta00: now redo the vanilla flasher command please?
Aug 01 03:50:41 <hiemanshu> without making any changes
Aug 01 03:50:57 <hiemanshu> I remember this happened once for me, I re-ran the command and it worked
Aug 01 03:52:01 <Seta00> hiemanshu, the last output was "Using flashing protocol Mk II."
Aug 01 03:52:22 <DocScrutinizer> Seta00: you obviously had device plugged in before you started flasher VANILLA
Aug 01 03:52:48 <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer: yeah, the lsusb output is just fine
Aug 01 03:52:55 <hiemanshu> Seta00: after that?
Aug 01 03:53:01 <Seta00> hiemanshu, yes
Aug 01 03:53:19 <DocScrutinizer> hiemanshu: just fine for a procedure not suggested here
Aug 01 03:53:22 <hiemanshu> Seta00: nothing after the 'using ...'
Aug 01 03:53:31 <Seta00> DocScrutinizer, if I plug it after I start the flasher, it does "Booting device into flash mode.
Aug 01 03:53:31 <Seta00> Suitable USB device not found, waiting."
Aug 01 03:53:37 <Seta00> and reboots
Aug 01 03:53:48 <Seta00> then "Error claiming USB interface: No such file or directory"
Aug 01 03:54:11 <DocScrutinizer> yes, that's expected, as it shall "boot into flashing mode" - says flasher
Aug 01 03:54:34 <DocScrutinizer> and the error claiming USB is just weird
Aug 01 03:54:35 <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer: I have always does it this way, and it always worked
Aug 01 03:54:48 <Seta00> ugh, so close
Aug 01 03:54:59 <hiemanshu> its not weird, it just cannot find the phone anymore where its expected to be
Aug 01 03:55:16 <Seta00> and this stupid timeout - the weird thing is, it starts the data transfer after the maemo loading screen shows up
Aug 01 03:55:37 <DocScrutinizer> hiemanshu: no, this is actually an error never before reported AFAIK
Aug 01 03:56:01 <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer: I got it a few times, hit up, and enter, and it worked
Aug 01 03:56:05 <Seta00> it sends exactly 1 data block
Aug 01 03:56:10 <Seta00> after 1024 bytes it times out
Aug 01 03:56:23 <DocScrutinizer> restart the command
Aug 01 03:56:24 <Seta00> kilobytes *
Aug 01 03:56:29 <DocScrutinizer> right away
Aug 01 03:56:44 <DocScrutinizer> redo for up to 5 times
Aug 01 03:57:01 * Seta00 does while [ true ]; do ...
Aug 01 03:57:06 <DocScrutinizer> haha
Aug 01 03:57:30 <hiemanshu> Seta00: lsmod | grep phone
Aug 01 03:57:37 <hiemanshu> just so we can remove it out of the way 
Aug 01 03:57:45 <Seta00> I posted the full output of lsmod
Aug 01 03:57:47 <Seta00> it's 10 lines
Aug 01 03:57:54 <DocScrutinizer> don't you think scripting the process would be step2 after establishing it manually with success
Aug 01 03:58:22 <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer: I already have it scripted 
Aug 01 03:58:40 <hiemanshu> for myself though
Aug 01 03:58:49 <DocScrutinizer> hiemanshu: are you having problems flashing VANILLA right now?
Aug 01 03:59:00 <DocScrutinizer> or are we trying to help Seta00 
Aug 01 03:59:16 <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer: yes I am, the vanilla ice cream in my freezer wont flash :/
Aug 01 03:59:27 <DocScrutinizer> gnite
Aug 01 03:59:32 * DocScrutinizer afk
Aug 01 03:59:42 <Seta00> awh
Aug 01 03:59:48 <Seta00> thanks DocScrutinizer :)
Aug 01 04:00:06 <hiemanshu> what!
Aug 01 04:00:21 <Seta00> btw, this is completely random, the flasher cycles through three different errors
Aug 01 04:00:22 <Seta00> haha
Aug 01 04:00:32 <hiemanshu> like?
Aug 01 04:02:31 <Seta00> http://pastebin.com/SEXgzaFT
Aug 01 04:05:23 <Seta00> anyway, I'm following DocScrutinizer's lead now, good night hiemanshu :)
Aug 01 04:05:54 <Seta00> hopefully it'll work on the uni lab computer
Aug 01 04:06:00 <Seta00> gonna try on the work computer too
Aug 01 04:08:59 <DocScrutinizer> Seta00: flash COMBINED, boot up, wait 5min until boot completely finished. then retry flashing VANILLA
Aug 01 04:09:33 <DocScrutinizer> I suspect device is terribly busy with creating /opt
Aug 01 04:10:00 <DocScrutinizer> and it actually couldn't flash eMMC when /opt is mounted
Aug 01 04:10:26 <Seta00> DocScrutinizer: the boot screen hangs
Aug 01 04:10:32 <Seta00> I
Aug 01 04:10:34 <Seta00> er.
Aug 01 04:10:39 <Seta00> I'm just gonna leave it there for a few minutes
Aug 01 04:10:42 <DocScrutinizer> yes, it's hanging for some 5min on first boot
Aug 01 04:11:11 <DocScrutinizer> that's the rationale why I say let it boot before trying to flash VANILLA
Aug 01 04:12:21 <DocScrutinizer> I never tried flashing VANILLA under a PR1.3 system, seems they completely changed the concept
Aug 01 04:12:57 <DocScrutinizer> I'm pretty sure it didn't show normal maemo bootscreen when I flashed VANILLA back when
Aug 01 04:13:30 <DocScrutinizer> anyway that's like 1 year ago now
Aug 01 04:13:44 <DocScrutinizer> probably longer
Aug 01 04:16:03 <DocScrutinizer> now I see why all multiboot users where whining about flashing is so terribly failing or complicated for them. Multiboot has potential to mess up "flashing-mode" completely
Aug 01 04:16:04 <Seta00> hm, combined flash is faster now
Aug 01 04:16:10 <Seta00> (I rebooted the PC)
Aug 01 04:16:33 <Seta00> yeah I'm sticking with maemo now lol
Aug 01 04:16:50 <Seta00> not gonna go through all of this just because I mispelled something in a config file
Aug 01 04:17:23 <Seta00> k, combined is done, gonna unplug and boot it
Aug 01 04:17:48 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Aug 01 04:18:02 <DocScrutinizer> wait til it completely settles
Aug 01 04:18:17 <DocScrutinizer> then shut down, and try flashing VANILLA
Aug 01 04:18:59 <DocScrutinizer> then combined once more, as you *always* need to flash combined when you flashed vanilla after a boot
Aug 01 04:19:27 <Seta00> it didnt hang now
Aug 01 04:19:29 <Seta00> :)
Aug 01 04:19:37 <Seta00> it's loading
Aug 01 04:19:52 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. flashing combined gets invalidated by booting. So after flashing VANILLA now you have to do an fresh COMBINED flash
Aug 01 04:20:33 <Seta00> yay I'm on settings
Aug 01 04:20:48 <Seta00> should I fill them in?
Aug 01 04:21:04 <DocScrutinizer> sure, that's expected after succeeding COMBINED flash
Aug 01 04:21:11 <DocScrutinizer> meh, forget it
Aug 01 04:21:17 <DocScrutinizer> irrelevant
Aug 01 04:21:39 <DocScrutinizer> but you'Re good to shut down now
Aug 01 04:22:02 <DocScrutinizer> then knock on wood and try flashing VANILLA
Aug 01 04:22:17 * Seta00 crosses fingers
Aug 01 04:22:47 <Seta00> uh. why do I need vanilla again?
Aug 01 04:22:53 <DocScrutinizer> dunno
Aug 01 04:22:56 <Seta00> it looks like it's fine
Aug 01 04:23:03 <DocScrutinizer> you said you want to flash it
Aug 01 04:23:30 <Seta00> well I want it working
Aug 01 04:23:37 <DocScrutinizer> frequently you don't want to flash vanilla
Aug 01 04:24:13 <DocScrutinizer> well, you could try to flash vanilla now, just to know if it works now
Aug 01 04:24:23 <Seta00> well, everything is looking just like when I got it
Aug 01 04:24:27 * Seta00 checks version
Aug 01 04:25:00 <DocScrutinizer> flashing combined obviously is no problem for you now, so you can redo it any time, even when flashing vanilla would ruin your current system
Aug 01 04:25:07 <Seta00> 20.2010.36-2
Aug 01 04:25:12 <Seta00> wtf
Aug 01 04:25:16 <Seta00> what is vanilla for then?
Aug 01 04:25:24 <DocScrutinizer> for MyDocs
Aug 01 04:25:44 <DocScrutinizer> formatting it and filling it with a few movies etc
Aug 01 04:26:05 <Seta00> >_>
Aug 01 04:26:10 <Seta00> no, this is actually better
Aug 01 04:26:13 <Seta00> I still have my files
Aug 01 04:26:16 <Seta00> under MyDocs
Aug 01 04:26:17 <DocScrutinizer> also resetting you home to default
Aug 01 04:26:25 <Seta00> let me see if nitdroid is still here
Aug 01 04:26:30 <Seta00> home is definitely reset
Aug 01 04:26:35 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Aug 01 04:26:56 <Seta00> nah, android is gone
Aug 01 04:27:21 <Seta00> I have MyDocs, default settings
Aug 01 04:27:33 <Seta00> it actually turned out better than I imagined in the end!
Aug 01 04:28:00 <Seta00> DocScrutinizer: thanks for all the help man, and sorry for taking all this time
Aug 01 04:28:04 <DocScrutinizer> just we still don't know why vanilla blew chunks ;-D
Aug 01 04:28:21 <Seta00> if you ever come to brazil, give me a shout and I'll pay you a beer :D
Aug 01 04:28:27 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Aug 01 04:28:48 <Seta00> now I gotta sleep or I'll be late for work
Aug 01 04:28:51 <Seta00> good night!
Aug 01 04:28:56 <DocScrutinizer> o/
Aug 01 04:30:18 <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer: did I manage to piss you off before?
Aug 01 04:30:26 <DocScrutinizer> not really
Aug 01 04:30:56 <hiemanshu> ah ok, cool, I dont want to get on your bad side :)
Aug 01 04:31:02 * hiemanshu leaves for breakfast
Aug 01 04:38:49 * DocScrutinizer wonders where to backup the 27GB of mp3 on one of the devices, so testing flashing VANILLA would be possible
Aug 01 04:40:24 <dm8tbr> one can never own enough hard-drive space
Aug 01 04:40:53 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
Aug 01 04:40:58 <DocScrutinizer> morning dm8tbr 
Aug 01 04:45:39 <dm8tbr> good moaning DocScrutinizer 
Aug 01 05:24:01 <fusi> too hot
Aug 01 05:24:03 <fusi> cant sleep
Aug 01 07:29:03 <fusi> where does esbox/eclipse's 'import from debian repo' wizard get its sources from?
Aug 01 08:02:37 <RST38h> Well. Moo.
Aug 01 08:08:10 <fusi> grumble
Aug 01 08:08:15 <fusi> rescued that vm image
Aug 01 08:08:24 <fusi> dunno what i did to it 
Aug 01 08:08:29 <fusi> but stuff 'works' in it
Aug 01 08:08:38 <fusi> this new fresh image ive got, nothing works :(
Aug 01 08:08:50 <fusi> but the old image is really knackered now :(
Aug 01 08:08:58 <robbiethe1st> No old backups?
Aug 01 08:09:07 <fusi> ive got snapshots to go back to yea
Aug 01 08:09:15 <fusi> but id prefer a more stable base tbh
Aug 01 08:09:22 <fusi> trying to recreate the build env
Aug 01 08:09:25 <fusi> but i cant remember what i did
Aug 01 08:09:31 <fusi> D:
Aug 01 08:10:02 <fusi> for some reason, i cant see all the armel packages
Aug 01 08:10:10 <fusi> in the import from dep repo wizard in eclipse
Aug 01 08:10:15 <fusi> but i can in the old vm image
Aug 01 08:10:25 <fusi> ive got no idea where its pulling the info from
Aug 01 08:10:51 <fusi> as a result i cant pull the package i need with the correct target
Aug 01 08:11:03 <fusi> its all a bit pete tong
Aug 01 09:05:53 <_trine> how can I change the audio codec Bluetooth uses to a better one
Aug 01 09:06:41 <_trine> skkpe audio is not very good
Aug 01 09:07:29 <_trine> on my Bluetooth headphones and it is perfect on skype using my netbook
Aug 01 09:29:58 <fusi> maemo@maemo-desktop:~$ fakeroot apt-get install
Aug 01 09:29:58 <fusi> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
Aug 01 09:29:59 <fusi> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
Aug 01 09:30:03 <fusi> ^ i shouldnt be getting that should i
Aug 01 09:32:01 <ruskie> you should
Aug 01 09:32:06 <ruskie> since you're not root
Aug 01 09:32:18 <fusi> ah
Aug 01 09:39:05 <fusi> aaaaaah
Aug 01 09:39:15 <fusi> things are becoming clearer
Aug 01 10:32:58 <SpeedEvil> Does anyone know anything about s40? I'm wondering - one of the things pushed for the 'next billion' was a web proxy with compression. 
Aug 01 10:33:23 <SpeedEvil> It would be quite nice to be able to run this in some manner on the n900/n9/n950
Aug 01 10:34:02 <robbiethe1st> Opera Mobile?
Aug 01 10:34:11 <SpeedEvil> Not quite.
Aug 01 10:34:14 <SpeedEvil> But similar.
Aug 01 10:34:41 <SpeedEvil> It would be nice to be able to use the already existing platform for arbitrary browsers.
Aug 01 10:34:59 <SpeedEvil> Admittedly, with a local thing to talk to the proxy.
Aug 01 10:35:30 <cehteh> i was thinking about installing polypo on my server and acccess it through compressed openvpn
Aug 01 10:35:58 <SpeedEvil> Not finding polypo
Aug 01 10:36:13 <cehteh> polipo :)
Aug 01 10:36:30 <cehteh> it does proper piplineing other than other proxies
Aug 01 10:36:56 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Aug 01 10:37:03 <cehteh> far less tcp/ip handshakes
Aug 01 10:37:33 <cehteh> may be the second best thing after operas propietary compression
Aug 01 10:37:48 <SpeedEvil> I think I've gone on about my compressing idea in the past.
Aug 01 10:39:02 <cehteh> when i browse the web over 3g the most slow things are name lookups and tcp handshakes .. the data itself is just as is, if you can compress it, fine but bulk data like jpeg are already compressed
Aug 01 10:39:42 <cehteh> a propietary technology like opera uses mas squelch a bit more out of it .. but i prefer a open solution
Aug 01 10:39:51 <cehteh> well, i didnt tested this yet
Aug 01 10:40:24 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:WebProxy is an old outline of the iea
Aug 01 10:40:43 <SpeedEvil> Basically - massive (250M) cache mirrored on server and phone.
Aug 01 10:40:58 <SpeedEvil> Any new page request is supplied as diffs against the cache.
Aug 01 10:42:52 <cehteh> well .. sure, nice idea, but you have to have that big cache on the phone, it will take some cpu to put pages together later and only works when you surf pages already in cache with few changes
Aug 01 10:43:01 <cehteh> may work but is a lot effort
Aug 01 10:43:10 <cehteh> for few cases
Aug 01 10:43:26 <SpeedEvil> Sure. 250M isn't an issue for n900 or n9 though.
Aug 01 10:43:39 <SpeedEvil> All the hard work is on the serverside.
Aug 01 10:43:43 <cehteh> well and this has to be reasonable faster than the 3G connection :P
Aug 01 10:43:54 <SpeedEvil> Not only.
Aug 01 10:44:06 <SpeedEvil> Sometimes you're not looking for speed, but low bandwith.
Aug 01 10:44:16 <cehteh> diffing is harder than patching yes ,, but still some work on the n900
Aug 01 10:44:29 <SpeedEvil> Almost none.
Aug 01 10:44:46 <cehteh> well if you think, go for it
Aug 01 10:44:54 <SpeedEvil> I do, it's on my stack.
Aug 01 10:44:55 <SpeedEvil> :(
Aug 01 10:44:58 <cehteh> haha
Aug 01 10:45:21 <cehteh> well you could 'normalize' html (stripping any unneeded whitespaces)
Aug 01 10:45:42 <cehteh> then get the html tree and cache single entities
Aug 01 10:45:48 <SpeedEvil> Simply compressing the stream will buy you a moderate amount, yes.
Aug 01 10:46:02 <SpeedEvil> The idea is something like that, yes.
Aug 01 10:46:13 <SpeedEvil> My initial tests used splitting on <
Aug 01 10:46:25 <SpeedEvil> Which worked well.
Aug 01 10:46:35 <cehteh> i guess so .. 
Aug 01 10:47:06 <cehteh> i just wonder how much it works in real when one visits pages not visited before
Aug 01 10:47:36 <cehteh> possibly opera does similar things
Aug 01 10:47:38 <SpeedEvil> Personally, when mobile, the vast majority of sites I visit are ones I've accessed before.
Aug 01 10:48:04 <cehteh> i just think this is a quite demanding project you cant do on a afternoon
Aug 01 10:48:07 <SpeedEvil> I'm checking on ebay listings, comparing prices on tesco, ...
Aug 01 10:48:09 <SpeedEvil> and yes
Aug 01 10:48:29 <SpeedEvil> I'm not browsing randomly around the web as I might at home.
Aug 01 10:48:33 <cehteh> well maybe you can integrate that into polipo or some other existing software
Aug 01 10:49:00 <SpeedEvil> An of course, I'm much much more likely to tolerate images being smashed down to 160*160
Aug 01 10:49:05 <SpeedEvil> (forex)
Aug 01 10:49:20 <SpeedEvil> I'm working on a proof of concept.
Aug 01 10:49:33 <cehteh> what implementaton language?
Aug 01 10:49:40 <SpeedEvil> To do the numbers based on a wwwoffle cache.
Aug 01 10:49:51 <SpeedEvil> Not live.
Aug 01 10:50:21 <SpeedEvil> In the hopes that I can push someone developing a web proxy to implement the idea.
Aug 01 10:52:18 <cehteh> not me :P
Aug 01 10:53:57 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 01 10:54:19 <SpeedEvil> Gwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. 
Aug 01 10:54:22 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 01 11:19:24 <cityLights> MohammadAG!
Aug 01 11:19:50 <MohammadAG> hi
Aug 01 11:19:57 <cityLights> whats up?
Aug 01 11:19:59 <cityLights> hot?
Aug 01 11:20:17 <MohammadAG> Yeah, AC helps though :p
Aug 01 11:20:23 <cityLights> right
Aug 01 11:20:46 <cityLights> as I wasnt around here for a month or so - what did I miss?
Aug 01 11:20:57 <cityLights> did you release a new cssu?
Aug 01 11:21:08 <MohammadAG> nope, nothing much I guess
Aug 01 11:21:35 <cityLights> you finished with your studies - right?
Aug 01 11:22:28 <MohammadAG> yeah
Aug 01 11:22:33 <MohammadAG> for now
Aug 01 11:22:35 <Arkenoi> will hildon with portrait mode be included in CSSU? it looks reasonably stable now
Aug 01 11:22:55 <MohammadAG> yes, it's already merged on gitorious
Aug 01 11:26:17 <cityLights> the modest crash fix is more importent to me
Aug 01 11:26:28 <cityLights> I got another wierd idea
Aug 01 11:26:41 <cityLights> can I hack meego on to the google tv?
Aug 01 11:27:07 <cityLights> did more developpers here got their n950 (except me)
Aug 01 11:27:17 <cityLights> have "we" move on to meego?
Aug 01 11:28:03 <Arkenoi> MohammadAG, is there ETA for repository update?
Aug 01 11:28:15 <MohammadAG> Arkenoi, this week
Aug 01 11:28:17 <cityLights> +1
Aug 01 11:28:40 <MohammadAG> Modest, patches welcome :)
Aug 01 11:36:20 <fusi> liking googles 2-phase login thingy
Aug 01 11:36:37 <cityLights> really?
Aug 01 11:36:53 <cityLights> sevral application now need it
Aug 01 11:41:44 <MohammadAG> 843M	./.xchat2/xchatlogs wtf
Aug 01 11:42:00 <hiemanshu> no log rotations?
Aug 01 11:42:30 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG: you could archive the old ones
Aug 01 11:43:18 * ShadowJK decided to delete all and turn it off
Aug 01 11:43:44 <MohammadAG> err, it logs server messages
Aug 01 11:43:51 <MohammadAG> that's dumb, 350MBs
Aug 01 11:44:20 <fusi> irssi ftw
Aug 01 11:47:06 <otwieracz> Hello.
Aug 01 11:47:33 <otwieracz> There are any drivers for Maemo Diablo to support FT232 USB-to-serial chip?
Aug 01 11:47:41 <otwieracz> (n810 as USB host)
Aug 01 11:53:07 <Arkenoi> apmd died on my phone, how can i restart it?
Aug 01 11:53:27 <cityLights> I removed it
Aug 01 11:53:36 <cityLights> something went wrong after last upgrade
Aug 01 11:53:43 <cityLights> a few days back
Aug 01 12:22:50 <fusi> yay for maintainer status \o/
Aug 01 12:23:23 <fusi> btw
Aug 01 12:23:36 <fusi> ive sorted out my environment now
Aug 01 12:23:38 <fusi> \o/
Aug 01 12:23:55 <fusi> a bit more rtfm and sleep helped
Aug 01 12:27:01 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 01 12:37:44 <ruskie> http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/01/nokia_n9_out_this_september/ <-- hmm
Aug 01 12:38:18 <ruskie> "the open phone"
Aug 01 12:38:50 <fusi> ugh
Aug 01 12:39:02 <fusi> not intersted at all
Aug 01 12:40:02 <fusi> plan to keep my n900 for _______years
Aug 01 12:40:10 <ruskie> hehe
Aug 01 12:40:35 <fusi> totally love it, said it b4, but i do ^^
Aug 01 12:41:12 <cityLights> can the n900 do 5Mb data?
Aug 01 12:41:20 <fusi> 5mb data what?
Aug 01 12:41:22 <cityLights> I am doing 2.8Mb now
Aug 01 12:41:27 <cityLights> download
Aug 01 12:41:31 <fusi> transfer speed i assume u mean
Aug 01 12:41:41 <fusi> on hsdpa i would imagine so
Aug 01 12:41:44 <cityLights> I now get 2.8Mb download 1Mb upload
Aug 01 12:42:16 <cityLights> does hsdpa , alllow two "flavors"?
Aug 01 12:42:25 <hiemanshu> flavours?
Aug 01 12:42:25 <fusi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
Aug 01 12:42:34 * fusi strokes hiemanshu 
Aug 01 12:42:37 <cityLights> can anyone advice which cellular data to get in Rome/
Aug 01 12:42:38 <cityLights> ?
Aug 01 12:42:57 <fusi> google
Aug 01 12:43:10 <cityLights> fusi: ask an italian....
Aug 01 12:44:12 <MohammadAG> oh nice, Segmentation fault in kernel
Aug 01 12:44:21 <hiemanshu> hey fusi
Aug 01 12:44:39 <fusi> yo
Aug 01 12:44:57 <hiemanshu> sup
Aug 01 12:45:31 <fusi> got a working build env \o/
Aug 01 12:45:49 <fusi> but i am lacking sleep as a consequence
Aug 01 12:46:06 <hiemanshu> meh, sleep is for the weak
Aug 01 12:46:20 <fusi> by definition :p
Aug 01 12:46:26 <fusi> got 3 hrs between 3 and 6
Aug 01 12:46:38 <fusi> im all floaty ~-~
Aug 01 12:46:51 <hiemanshu> have some coffee
Aug 01 12:47:01 <fusi> doesnt actually work on me :(
Aug 01 12:47:06 <fusi> still feel sleepy
Aug 01 12:47:14 <fusi> but just feel cold/shivery :\
Aug 01 12:47:21 <fusi> twitchy heh
Aug 01 12:47:36 <fusi> i prefer tea :)
Aug 01 12:47:41 <hiemanshu> ah, that only sleep can fix
Aug 01 12:47:45 <hiemanshu> yeah, I like tea too
Aug 01 12:47:46 <fusi> yer
Aug 01 12:47:54 <ruskie> caffinee doesn't work on me as well
Aug 01 12:48:02 <RST38h> Mohammad: Harmattan kernel? =0
Aug 01 12:48:14 <fusi> is it the dr peppers...
Aug 01 12:48:20 <fusi> lulz
Aug 01 12:48:26 <fusi> immune
Aug 01 12:48:49 <fusi> iono
Aug 01 12:48:59 <fusi> gonna go play some k240 (:D) for a bit
Aug 01 12:49:05 <fusi> tally bais o/
Aug 01 12:58:49 <reenignEesreveR> Getting msg "device storage full. remove data to free memory" <- rootfs has become full. what to do now?
Aug 01 12:59:05 <MohammadAG> remove stuff from rootfs?
Aug 01 12:59:32 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, how do I switch branches again?
Aug 01 12:59:44 <reenignEesreveR> umm... how?
Aug 01 13:00:15 <reenignEesreveR> apt-get clean doesn't help
Aug 01 13:00:19 <reenignEesreveR> neither does autoremove
Aug 01 13:00:51 <villager> http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space
Aug 01 13:00:53 <MohammadAG> du -h /root, I'm pretty sure you've stuffed things there
Aug 01 13:01:07 <pavi> were there any updates to http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features  ? or is everyone crazy about meego and n950 ?
Aug 01 13:01:41 <MohammadAG> neither
Aug 01 13:02:06 <villager> I've seen lots of people not crazy about meego and n950
Aug 01 13:02:56 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG: swicthing branches in git?
Aug 01 13:03:28 <pavi> villager, ahh there is still some hope :)
Aug 01 13:03:31 <mgedmin> it's easy to be not crazy whey you see "download app for: iPhone, Android, PC" everywhere
Aug 01 13:03:40 <MohammadAG> hiemanshu, cloning a git repo, how do I go between branches?
Aug 01 13:04:03 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG: git branch <branchname> if there is a remote branch already
Aug 01 13:04:29 <radiofree> git checkout --track -b branchname origin/branchname 
Aug 01 13:05:08 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG: bookmark http://help.github.com/git-cheat-sheets/
Aug 01 13:06:08 <hiemanshu> radiofree: just git co would work
Aug 01 13:08:27 <reenignEesreveR> MohammadAG, nothing in /root except a wepkey
Aug 01 13:13:36 <reenignEesreveR> MohammadAG, btw it happened while i was tryng to install hostmode-gui
Aug 01 13:15:44 <_trine> the audio on my Blue tooth headphones is excellent when playing music through them but the audio when using skype is pretty poor,  is there a way to improve this situation??
Aug 01 13:17:36 <jacekowski> _trine: don't use skype
Aug 01 13:17:45 <jacekowski> _trine: skype audio is poor 
Aug 01 13:17:56 <_trine> no it isnt
Aug 01 13:18:04 <jacekowski> it is on n900
Aug 01 13:18:07 <_trine> its perfect on my netbook
Aug 01 13:18:22 <_trine> well that was my question
Aug 01 13:18:24 <jacekowski> it's not same skype as on netbook
Aug 01 13:18:33 <jacekowski> check using wired headphones
Aug 01 13:18:57 <_trine> so its the N900 implementation of skype thats crap is it
Aug 01 13:19:08 <jacekowski> no it's skype that's crap
Aug 01 13:19:16 <_trine> and is there nothing we can do
Aug 01 13:19:37 <jacekowski> it requires way too much cpu for even basic call
Aug 01 13:19:52 <jacekowski> so on mobile devices they have to use simpler codecs and stuff
Aug 01 13:19:56 <_trine> so its the skype implementation on the N900 thats crap is it
Aug 01 13:20:09 <ShadowJK> skype over wifi?
Aug 01 13:20:17 <_trine> yes
Aug 01 13:20:44 <ShadowJK> and netradio over wifi and bluetooth headhones doesn't sound crap?
Aug 01 13:20:58 <_trine> my net book works really well in the same situation
Aug 01 13:21:32 <_trine> I have not tried net radio 
Aug 01 13:22:05 <_trine> music played from the N900 SD card is perfect very high quality audio
Aug 01 13:22:15 <_trine> over BT headphones
Aug 01 13:22:42 <_trine> and the same is true on my netbook but it also includes skype too
Aug 01 13:22:56 <ShadowJK> Skype with wired headphone sounds about same as skype on pc for me
Aug 01 13:23:09 <_trine> it sounds on skype as though its a low quality codec
Aug 01 13:24:23 <ShadowJK> if it uses headset profile over bluetooth I'd imagine it'd sound grubbier, and not at all as good as if it uses a2dp.. and in any case, frequent/heavy traffic on both bt and wifis known to not work well
Aug 01 13:24:40 <_trine> Ijust wondered if there was a way to change the skype codec
Aug 01 13:25:29 <_trine> the headset is the Nokia 905
Aug 01 13:27:51 <SpeedEvil> _trine: What's your impression of the headset?
Aug 01 13:27:58 <SpeedEvil> Does it work for calls?
Aug 01 13:28:53 <_trine> the headset is fantastic
Aug 01 13:29:02 <_trine> and yes I use it for calls
Aug 01 13:29:38 <SpeedEvil> Oh - that's rather more expensive than I'd hoped.
Aug 01 13:29:39 <SpeedEvil> :/
Aug 01 13:29:59 <_trine> you can get them now for about Ł130
Aug 01 13:30:08 <SpeedEvil> Yes.
Aug 01 13:30:10 <_trine> I paid a lot more
Aug 01 13:30:16 <SpeedEvil> That's 2 and a bit months food.
Aug 01 13:31:52 * Arkenoi paid about $200 for bh902, damn it is the most sucking headset ever, it does not fit human ear, it was designed by fscking elves
Aug 01 13:32:36 <_trine> those headphones have the best audio I have heard and its amazing they work over BT
Aug 01 13:35:33 <cehteh> sennheiser px-200 here ... fits me very well and has good sound with meanwhile quite low prices
Aug 01 13:35:51 <cehteh> for some users it doesnt fit well i heared
Aug 01 13:36:27 <cehteh> closed system is a must for me
Aug 01 13:36:40 <Arkenoi> koss porta pro is my portable headphones of choice
Aug 01 13:39:02 <cityLights> can anyone offer advice to which cellular to choose on vacation to rome?
Aug 01 13:39:27 <cityLights> I want to use voice over ip over the ,cellular data
Aug 01 13:39:40 <cityLights> no real need for cell calls
Aug 01 13:48:14 <cehteh> you travel a lot :P
Aug 01 15:11:41 <Dibblah> Hrm. On the N900, are there any known bugs regarding Conversations?
Aug 01 15:12:07 <Dibblah> Specifically, I'm seeing no notifications (sometimes) of incoming texts, etc...
Aug 01 15:12:35 <e0x> hmm not sure if is a but but something happen when you have the conversation open and in focus
Aug 01 15:12:45 <e0x> even with lock screen
Aug 01 15:26:36 <DocScrutinizer> pavi: CSSU is *not* an alternative distro to fremantle. Thus it won't see frequent updates, it only gets things that can not get deployed via normal extras(-*) repository. According to this rationale actually new camera, new mp3player etc all has to get kicked from CSSU rather than get any updates or even additional new apps of same class
Aug 01 16:59:33 <phryk> I have substituted my wlan-ap at home and, set my n900 to use dhcp on this net from now on let it reconnect (it did so automatically). I can now ping hosts by dns alias just fine (ie. google.com) but can't access them over the browser.
Aug 01 16:59:54 <phryk> Does the browser save some kind of resolv.conf for itself somewhere else?
Aug 01 17:29:28 <fladnag> Hellohello
Aug 01 17:30:13 <fladnag> Does anyone know about news  regarding h-e-n ?? 
Aug 01 17:30:50 <fladnag> (on n900  ... Idontknow if hen is n900-only)
Aug 01 17:30:58 <SpeedEvil> It is
Aug 01 17:31:02 <SpeedEvil> What do you mean by news
Aug 01 17:31:06 <fladnag> Kk:)
Aug 01 17:31:49 <DocScrutinizer> not many news recently
Aug 01 17:31:49 <fladnag> Imean especialy with charging while hosting AND more overall compatiblity !
Aug 01 17:32:06 <DocScrutinizer> compatibility regarding what?
Aug 01 17:32:17 <DocScrutinizer> also see
Aug 01 17:32:23 <DocScrutinizer> ~hostmode-charging
Aug 01 17:32:24 <infobot> rumour has it, hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203
Aug 01 17:33:34 <DocScrutinizer> I'm still not getting around to finish and deploy an augmented booston.sh script that'd integrate this
Aug 01 17:33:47 <fladnag> Regarding sticks and harddrives and usb-mice behavir
Aug 01 17:34:07 <DocScrutinizer> that's not even a topic of h-e-n
Aug 01 17:35:14 <DocScrutinizer> h-e-n is strictly to connect $random_peripheral via USB. Getting it to work by providing the needed drivers etc is not a primary target of h-e-n
Aug 01 17:35:52 <fladnag> Boston.sh ? What's no topic of hen?
Aug 01 17:36:13 <Mousey> i miss the n810's OTG usb
Aug 01 17:36:20 <Mousey> =(
Aug 01 17:36:28 <DocScrutinizer> after all this problem is exactly the same on N900 as on any arbitrary linux PC. You need the right drivers, install them, configure things, all identical across hw platforms
Aug 01 17:37:01 <DocScrutinizer> booston.sh, not Boston
Aug 01 17:37:22 <DocScrutinizer> Mousey: where's the difference?
Aug 01 17:37:31 <fladnag> Jeahjeah
Aug 01 17:37:32 <fladnag> :p 
Aug 01 17:37:38 <fladnag> :d 
Aug 01 17:37:40 <DocScrutinizer> Mousey: h-e-n is "just as good" as N810 OTG
Aug 01 17:38:10 <fladnag> Hen is coooool
Aug 01 17:38:10 <fladnag> :) 
Aug 01 17:38:23 <BluesLee> hi, how do i add a poll to a tmo thread?
Aug 01 17:38:46 <DocScrutinizer> BluesLee: thread-tools menu -> add_poll
Aug 01 17:40:07 <fladnag> Please doc tell me about this boston scripts !
Aug 01 17:40:27 <fladnag> Hen-boston-script
Aug 01 17:40:34 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: there no add poll in my list
Aug 01 17:41:21 <DocScrutinizer> fladnag: the booston.sh script gets called when you hit the "vboost" button in h-e-n GUI. It does the magic to provide 5V to USB. I plan to augment it to also handle charging-hostmode
Aug 01 17:42:08 <fladnag> Helljeah!!!!!!
Aug 01 17:43:02 <fladnag> :)  irealymeanit
Aug 01 17:43:02 <fladnag> Ifuckinlove my n900 :) 
Aug 01 17:44:43 <DocScrutinizer> fladnag: thanks for the positive feedback
Aug 01 17:44:51 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: do i need to post the thread first as i cant see thread tools there.
Aug 01 17:45:08 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: got it
Aug 01 17:45:41 <DocScrutinizer> BluesLee: I dunno how to *create* a thread with a poll, I just seen the "add poll" item in the thread tools menu of threads I started
Aug 01 17:47:04 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: the list appears after posting the thread
Aug 01 17:53:13 <fladnag> :)  im still getting confused when thinking about hosting WHILE charging ... With a powered hub or something ... Imean isnt it limmited somehow ... Usb has only four lines right ? 2power 2data ... How many does the micro-usb has? 
Aug 01 17:56:24 <Gadgetoid> Damn, now I feel like digging up my n900… but I don't know what to do with it!
Aug 01 17:59:06 <LarsN> Gadgetoid: why would you bury one of the best phones ever
Aug 01 17:59:13 <LarsN> Gadgetoid: *boggle* :)
Aug 01 17:59:26 <Gadgetoid> Actually, it wasn't strictly buried!
Aug 01 17:59:46 <LarsN> mine is on my desk, within 2 inches of my left wrist right now. :)
Aug 01 18:00:16 <LarsN> Future phone is from the past :)
Aug 01 18:00:40 <Gadgetoid> I only use it to see how things are going in this wonderful community ;D
Aug 01 18:00:55 <LarsN> When i finally buy another phone.
Aug 01 18:00:56 <Gadgetoid> I tend to use my N810 more, as an ebook reader
Aug 01 18:01:06 <LarsN> I'll likely still carry the N900, tethered to the new phone for data.
Aug 01 18:01:22 <LarsN> I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Aug 01 18:01:52 <LarsN> maybe if the Nexus Prime, and ICS are beyond incredible...  I replaced a Nexus One with the N900 :)
Aug 01 18:02:33 <Gadgetoid> I'm tempted by Android at the moment
Aug 01 18:03:33 <fladnag> Me too (a bit) ...
Aug 01 18:04:14 <Gadgetoid> Hmm, clearly someone in Northumberland has been playing too much Minecraft
Aug 01 18:04:48 <fladnag> Iwould like to realy see the difference in performance with emulators for example ... And the overall performance of n900 is driving me crazy sometimes ...
Aug 01 18:05:59 <fladnag> (n900 with maemo5)
Aug 01 18:06:07 <Gadgetoid> I have to say, I'm smitten with the newer emulators on the iPhone
Aug 01 18:06:59 <Gadgetoid> But the same emulators are also available for Android
Aug 01 18:07:10 <Gadgetoid> Robert Broglia's emulators… really nice
Aug 01 18:07:12 <fladnag> Ithink there are SOME people ho ARE / have been playing toomuch minecraft ... or similar :d 
Aug 01 18:08:52 <Gadgetoid> Hmmm, n900 doesn't seem to want to turn on… must be fairly deaded
Aug 01 18:09:13 <SpeedEvil> ~flatbatrecover
Aug 01 18:09:14 <infobot> Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover
Aug 01 18:10:16 <Gadgetoid> SpeedEvil: that was pretty quick on the draw there!
Aug 01 18:10:27 <SpeedEvil> It's a moderately FAQ
Aug 01 18:10:32 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Aug 01 18:10:40 <Gadgetoid> "Stop trying to turn it on and have patience you fool!" would have worked, too :D
Aug 01 18:10:46 <DocScrutinizer> ~factinfo flatbatrecover
Aug 01 18:10:46 <infobot> flatbatrecover -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Mon Jul 26 02:02:58 2010 (371 days); last modified at Mon Jul 26 02:06:16 2010 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 28 times, last by SpeedEvil, 1m 33s ago.
Aug 01 18:13:44 <Gadgetoid> Damn, I forget how good the maemo bunch are ;)
Aug 01 18:14:09 <Gadgetoid> But I've run off and attached myself to the iControlPad now
Aug 01 18:37:01 <TimmyT> What are official repositories? May anyone give me a complete list of them? I found  a post in the website but that was old
Aug 01 18:43:41 <lcuk> TimmyT, main mamoe -devel -testin extras
Aug 01 18:43:51 <lcuk> and I couldn't have typed that with more typos
Aug 01 18:44:02 <lcuk> TimmyT, main maemo -devel -testing extras
Aug 01 18:58:07 <DocScrutinizer> meh, I hate it when that happens. prepared http://paste.debian.net/124780/ to come back and learn he left chan
Aug 01 19:05:56 <Gadgetoid> DocScrutinizer: haha :D
Aug 01 19:06:20 <Gadgetoid> My phone LED has gone green now… presumably that means GO, ho ho ho!
Aug 01 19:06:31 <DocScrutinizer> yoh ho ho
Aug 01 19:06:38 <Gadgetoid> And a bottle of rum?
Aug 01 19:06:43 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Aug 01 19:07:17 <Gadgetoid> Faster Application Manager likes to mess with HAM
Aug 01 19:12:09 <DocScrutinizer> fapman is known to fail on random occasions
Aug 01 19:12:56 <Gadgetoid> Ho ho, you said fap
Aug 01 19:13:40 <TimmyT1> wat is SDK repository?
Aug 01 19:14:03 <DocScrutinizer> this app been known as fapman in the beginning, and it'll stay fapman for me until it dies :-P
Aug 01 19:14:24 <DocScrutinizer> TimmyT1: HAH there you are
Aug 01 19:14:29 <DocScrutinizer> http://paste.debian.net/124780/
Aug 01 19:14:52 * Gadgetoid wonders if he'll try to copy pasta that URL in as a repo
Aug 01 19:14:57 <TimmyT1> DocScrutinizer: yep
Aug 01 19:14:57 <DocScrutinizer> SDK repo? errr, I know tools repo
Aug 01 19:14:58 <nusse> just using apt-get would be too easy.
Aug 01 19:15:19 <Gadgetoid> I want yum on my phone!
Aug 01 19:15:55 <Gadgetoid> "Unable to download 'Khweeteur'. Application package not found."   Yes/No
Aug 01 19:15:58 <TimmyT1> means used to install things like find and man command lines?
Aug 01 19:16:45 <DocScrutinizer> man and find are in extras-devel
Aug 01 19:16:59 <DocScrutinizer> strace and gdb are in tools though
Aug 01 19:17:06 <TimmyT1> sry. 
Aug 01 19:17:32 <TimmyT1> is aptitude available in official repos?
Aug 01 19:17:42 <DocScrutinizer> errr
Aug 01 19:18:41 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# apt-cache search aptitude
Aug 01 19:18:42 <DocScrutinizer> libcwidget-dev - high-level terminal interface library for C++ (development files)
Aug 01 19:18:44 <DocScrutinizer> aptitude-dbg - Debug symbols for the aptitude package manager
Aug 01 19:18:47 <DocScrutinizer> ...
Aug 01 19:19:03 <DocScrutinizer> aptitude - terminal-based package manager
Aug 01 19:20:00 <TimmyT1> ok, i just asked for that, kuz im going to change the list of my repos, i wanted to see if aptitude is available in official repos or not
Aug 01 19:20:03 <DocScrutinizer> apt-cache policy aptitude
Aug 01 19:20:12 <DocScrutinizer>   Candidate: 0.4.11.11-1maemo3
Aug 01 19:20:13 <DocScrutinizer>   Version table:
Aug 01 19:20:15 <DocScrutinizer>      0.4.11.11-1maemo3 0
Aug 01 19:20:16 <DocScrutinizer>         500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages
Aug 01 19:23:46 <TimmyT1> DocScrutinizer: look , in this page: http://repository.maemo.org/ , it has explained the list of officially repositories, but didn't mention any version for them, like it has http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free but didn't mention any version for fremantle like fremantle-1.3 or 1.2. why? should i do this? or fremantle without any version number will include all of its versions?
Aug 01 19:25:21 <DocScrutinizer> err, good question. I think this has been introduced back before pr1.3 and nowadays fremantle-1.3 is probably a symlink to fremantle
Aug 01 19:27:17 <DocScrutinizer> there should be a fremantle-1.2 for old systems needing to restore apps from extras. Similar repos for extras-(testing|devel) are missing so you can't restore pre-1.3 apps you got from those repos
Aug 01 19:27:52 <DocScrutinizer> probably for now both fremantle and fremantle-1.3 are identical
Aug 01 19:29:00 <TimmyT1> so you're saying it is enough to add fremantle? without any verstion number?
Aug 01 19:29:07 <TimmyT1> errr, version number
Aug 01 19:29:10 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Aug 01 19:30:21 <TimmyT1> ok, i thought if i dun add them, i may miss some apps
Aug 01 19:30:47 <DocScrutinizer> you only want to bother about it IF any day PR1.4 gets the recent distro and you don't like to upgrade to it and raher want to stay on pr1.3
Aug 01 19:32:02 <DocScrutinizer> all AFAIK
Aug 01 19:38:35 <TimmyT1> DocScrutinizer: tnx
Aug 01 19:50:09 * DocScrutinizer wonders if he should create a install file containing *all* repos
Aug 01 19:51:08 <DocScrutinizer> similar to the >>To make the plastic case melt and burn your fingers and your cat, click http://joerg.cloud-7.de/repositories.install<< on http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Aug 01 19:52:18 <DocScrutinizer> in that one I only added only extras-trsting extras-devel, tools
Aug 01 20:01:29 <DocScrutinizer> fuckushima: 10Sv/h current reading on some free air tube between two blocks
Aug 01 20:02:10 <DocScrutinizer> not instantly killing, just after 5 min
Aug 01 20:03:21 <jacekowski> where
Aug 01 20:03:26 <jacekowski> do you have links
Aug 01 20:03:34 <cehteh> nice place for picknick :P
Aug 01 20:03:36 <DocScrutinizer> Russia would still send soldiers/teminators with lead hats
Aug 01 20:04:05 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: TV
Aug 01 20:04:14 <jacekowski> well, the thing is that with chernobyl it was either that or molten core would drop into pool of water
Aug 01 20:04:24 <jacekowski> and then real shit would hit the fan
Aug 01 20:04:33 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Aug 01 20:04:41 <cehteh> the 10mS last time where more scary ..
Aug 01 20:04:48 <DocScrutinizer> same still can happen n fucky
Aug 01 20:05:03 <cehteh> measured in urine samples of some residents from a town nearby
Aug 01 20:05:12 <DocScrutinizer> DANG
Aug 01 20:06:33 <DocScrutinizer> well I think it's been Japan where a factory poisoned thousands with mercury for decades, and nobody could stop them, nobody even cared
Aug 01 20:07:06 <cehteh> that happens at plenty places in the world
Aug 01 20:07:13 <DocScrutinizer> the cats were first to go mad and die
Aug 01 20:07:41 <DocScrutinizer> as the mercury was in the sea fish and cats at harbour... well you know.
Aug 01 20:08:36 <ohookins> hi, i'm trying to set up the maemo scratchbox on ubuntu 64bit but get the following errors:
Aug 01 20:08:49 <ohookins> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of scratchbox-core:i386:
Aug 01 20:08:55 <ohookins> scratchbox-core:i386 depends on python.
Aug 01 20:09:07 <ohookins> i've set it up a few times in the past but haven't seen that error before, any ideas?
Aug 01 20:12:03 <x29a> evening, im trying to package a qt program (qtcreator), but it fails with the error: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library foo. foo is available, but i have no clue how to tell dpgk where it is, any hints?
Aug 01 20:17:28 <idreamer> i need help
Aug 01 20:21:28 <idreamer> my problem: i have install meego on emmc and now i want go back to maemo but i can't reflash don't work
Aug 01 20:21:39 <idreamer> help
Aug 01 20:24:52 <x29a> can you elaborate on "dont work"?
Aug 01 20:25:28 <x29a> idreamer: also, the guys over at #meego might be able to help as well
Aug 01 20:26:01 <idreamer> x29a: the guys over meego say me to write here :D
Aug 01 20:26:14 <idreamer> x29a: can you help me?
Aug 01 20:26:29 <x29a> i still dont know what you tried yet and what "dont work" might be
Aug 01 20:28:27 <idreamer> in few work. i have install meego on emmc. now i want go back to maemo. the flasher don't work becouse the "usb" mode with "u" don't work
Aug 01 20:48:35 <x29a> idreamer: try explaining your problem without the words "dont work"
Aug 01 20:49:01 <x29a> others: is there any way (backports?) that maemo5/fremantle is supported by qt mobility 1.2+?
Aug 01 21:00:49 <vi__> how do i get larger pictures for shortcuts on the desktop?
Aug 01 21:04:25 <vi__> no volunteers?
Aug 01 21:06:11 <fusi> theme customiser allows you to alter that iirc
Aug 01 21:06:16 <fusi> dunno wher the setting is exactly though
Aug 01 21:07:08 <vi__> but if I only want 1 or 2 larger shortcuts?
Aug 01 21:07:55 <fusi> not sure thats possible.. i may be wrong but i think the setting is system wide and not particular to individual icons
Aug 01 21:07:58 <fusi> i may be wrong
Aug 01 21:15:31 <fusi> vi_: there is a widget i think in extras that allows you to specify a custom picture/size for a desktop widget/link
Aug 01 21:16:25 <vi__> yeah, its broken.
Aug 01 21:16:47 <fusi> d'oh
Aug 01 21:17:04 <vi__> there is also queen beecon widget
Aug 01 21:17:21 <fusi> ah yea forgot bout that one
Aug 01 21:17:28 <vi__> but as you approach 30 widgets wierd shit starts to happen
Aug 01 21:17:42 <fusi> cluttered desktop? ^^
Aug 01 21:17:48 <vi__> he
Aug 01 21:17:50 <vi__> heh
Aug 01 21:18:06 <vi__> the contents of slide down menus doesnt appear
Aug 01 21:18:15 <vi__> i.e. powerkey menu
Aug 01 21:18:41 <fusi> havent run into that myself yet - did u sumbit a bug report?
Aug 01 21:18:50 <vi__> not yet
Aug 01 21:19:12 <vi__> i don't think it matters no!no!no!yes! is gone now
Aug 01 21:19:25 <fusi> :(
Aug 01 21:19:44 <vi__> besides 8 havn't quite managed to pinpoint EXACTLY how to trigger the bug
Aug 01 21:19:57 <vi__> /s/8/I
Aug 01 21:20:04 <fusi> im typo complaint :p
Aug 01 21:20:04 <vi__> /s/8/I/
Aug 01 21:20:10 <vi__> s/8/I/
Aug 01 21:20:10 <infobot> vi__ meant: /s/I/I/
Aug 01 21:20:10 <fusi> ia*
Aug 01 21:20:13 <fusi> see heh
Aug 01 21:20:18 <vi__> he
Aug 01 21:20:20 <vi__> heh
Aug 01 21:20:33 <fusi> sorry i cant be of more help
Aug 01 21:20:37 <vi__> queen beecon widget is rather remarkable
Aug 01 21:21:01 <vi__> It should be ported to desktops as well
Aug 01 21:21:04 <fusi> it is rather nifty
Aug 01 21:21:31 <fusi> mobile ui's really are influencing more and more stuff
Aug 01 21:21:35 <fusi> i like it
Aug 01 21:21:46 <SpeedEvil> It's fucking anoying.
Aug 01 21:21:49 <fusi> heh
Aug 01 21:21:54 <vi__> my favourite thing so far is putting tiny widgets in the status bur area at the top right
Aug 01 21:21:55 <SpeedEvil> Firefox - forex.
Aug 01 21:22:19 <SpeedEvil> I have a 20" monitor.
Aug 01 21:22:20 <fusi> good idea, unused space
Aug 01 21:22:28 <fusi> SpeedEvil: ooh i dont use it anymore
Aug 01 21:22:33 <fusi> bloated :s
Aug 01 21:22:34 <SpeedEvil> I want the extra bars, s they are useful.
Aug 01 21:22:40 <fusi> aye
Aug 01 21:22:51 <vi__> extra bars? what?
Aug 01 21:22:52 <fusi> i rly hate m$'s ui changes ie7+
Aug 01 21:23:00 <fusi> with that crappy toolbar you cant do anything with
Aug 01 21:23:02 <fusi> argh
Aug 01 21:23:11 <vi__> lol@ribbon interface
Aug 01 21:23:18 <fusi> indeed
Aug 01 21:23:21 <SpeedEvil> vi__: Firefox nuked the statusbar. Which is annoying.
Aug 01 21:23:28 <vi__> oh yeah
Aug 01 21:23:30 <fusi> copied google
Aug 01 21:23:34 <fusi> with that floating crap
Aug 01 21:23:36 <fusi> annoying
Aug 01 21:23:37 <vi__> wtf happened to FF?
Aug 01 21:23:37 <fusi> i agree
Aug 01 21:23:47 <fusi> what version you on vi__ ?
Aug 01 21:23:59 <fusi> it all changed in ff4 i think
Aug 01 21:24:00 <vi__> fuck, I dont even know anymore
Aug 01 21:24:06 <fusi> it 'went wrong'
Aug 01 21:24:08 <vi__> 4 i think
Aug 01 21:24:09 <fusi> heh
Aug 01 21:24:46 <vi__> I amcurrently using an older build of 'swiftfox' based on FF3 at home
Aug 01 21:25:03 <vi__> it seems to be the betamax of FF
Aug 01 21:25:04 <fusi> ive had many a rant on m$ ui usability in the past
Aug 01 21:25:12 <fusi> ^^
Aug 01 21:25:37 <fusi> ooh im on 5
Aug 01 21:25:39 <vi__> theres no point, anyone who understands doesnt us m$ if they can help
Aug 01 21:25:40 <fusi> dont recommend it :(
Aug 01 21:25:46 <fusi> might be all the plugins ive got loaded
Aug 01 21:25:51 <fusi> soo sloooow
Aug 01 21:26:06 <vi__> you know whats freakin sweet?
Aug 01 21:26:11 <fusi> i use chrome these days
Aug 01 21:26:12 * fusi ducks
Aug 01 21:26:17 <fusi> vi__: mm?
Aug 01 21:26:20 <vi__> busybox on windows
Aug 01 21:26:38 <fusi> :D
Aug 01 21:26:52 <vi__> sed, awk, grep, ash & all the coolshit in 600kB
Aug 01 21:27:04 <vi__> unfortunate for CMD
Aug 01 21:27:21 <fusi> slightly embarrassing
Aug 01 21:27:45 <vi__> which is too busy locating every dick in the universe to suck so much it fails to notice how fucking worthless it is
Aug 01 21:28:15 <vi__> indeed if CMD was self aware that is
Aug 01 21:28:23 <vi__> however it is not
Aug 01 21:28:34 <fusi> :p
Aug 01 21:28:35 <vi__> and thusly continues to suck penis
Aug 01 21:28:47 <fusi> deep wound? :p
Aug 01 21:29:04 * vi__ breathes steady
Aug 01 21:29:12 <vi__> ...let it go bro 
Aug 01 21:29:14 <fusi> hehe
Aug 01 21:29:18 <vi__> ...its ok
Aug 01 21:29:41 <fusi> im tickled for a bit more k240 :)
Aug 01 21:29:47 <fusi> cya l8r o/
Aug 01 21:29:52 <vi__> b
Aug 01 22:07:47 <Psi> anyone know about the n900 IR system. Do apps that want to send IR codes talk to the IR chip directly or is it an OS call?
Aug 01 22:11:50 <SpeedEvil> It's an OS call.
Aug 01 22:12:08 <Psi> so you have to pass the pulse width for zero and one and the codes
Aug 01 22:12:14 <SpeedEvil> A stupidly implements OS call, but...
Aug 01 22:12:15 <SpeedEvil> yes
Aug 01 22:12:23 <Psi> ok, thanks
Aug 01 22:14:36 <Psi> irreco never worked for me (Well it did once years ago) but i just installed tvbgone and that works fine
Aug 01 22:15:05 <Psi> pondering coding a simple app to send the codes i use day-2-day
Aug 01 22:15:27 <nox-> it uses lirc, like irsend
Aug 01 22:15:39 <nox-> so, just like on desktop linux
Aug 01 22:15:46 <Psi> nice
Aug 01 22:15:54 <Psi> that should make it easy to find info
Aug 01 22:16:16 <nox-> youll need an lirc.conf
Aug 01 22:17:00 <nox-> made from mode2, i.e. not devinput or irman or what you have...
Aug 01 23:35:57 <DocScrutinizer51> irrec works just fine here, one lirc gets properly starteed
Aug 01 23:36:54 <DocScrutinizer51> just the config is scattered all over the device
Aug 01 23:37:56 <DocScrutinizer51> plus the IR TX LED ia just way too weak
Aug 01 23:40:45 <DocScrutinizer51> I guess in 2 or 3 years I'll do a lil fancy one weekend end pimp the HW (resistors maybe LED and driver transistors)
Aug 01 23:41:02 <DocScrutinizer51> s/ end/ and/
Aug 01 23:41:04 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51 meant: I guess in 2 or 3 years I'll do a lil fancy one weekend and pimp the HW (resistors maybe LED and driver transistors)
Aug 01 23:42:12 <DocScrutinizer51> 50W IR laser LED YEAH
Aug 01 23:42:20 <DocScrutinizer51> MOAR POWER
Aug 01 23:44:40 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer51: when you've built the pocket n900 laz0r with autotarget app ping me ;)
Aug 01 23:47:26 <Hurrian> DocScrutinizer: second battery just for 10 IR LEDs
Aug 01 23:47:34 <Hurrian> controlled by I2C bus
Aug 01 23:47:36 <SpeedEvil> Naah.
Aug 01 23:47:44 <SpeedEvil> The existing battery can cope with amp pulses
Aug 01 23:47:45 <Hurrian> ultimate TV-B-Gone
Aug 01 23:47:53 <SpeedEvil> that's plenty for 3W LEDs
Aug 01 23:50:42 <gintoxic> youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPSaEm6w0rw    me and my friends made this song in 1993-1994 MOTHAFUCKAAAAAS
Aug 01 23:50:45 <gintoxic> :D
Aug 02 02:00:50 <Psi> the n900 IR port is only TX isnt it?  ie, there is no RX
Aug 02 02:01:03 <SpeedEvil> yes
Aug 02 02:01:24 <Psi> looks like i'll have to use the osilloscope then :P hehe
Aug 02 02:01:56 <Termana> good morning
Aug 02 02:02:05 <Psi> morning
Aug 02 02:02:21 <DocScrutinizer> scope? for what?
Aug 02 02:02:43 <Psi> for seeing what the IR codes are, so i can make a config file for the device
Aug 02 02:02:53 <DocScrutinizer> *yawn*
Aug 02 02:03:08 <SpeedEvil> Psi: In principle it's possible to do what DocScrutinizer is about to suggest.
Aug 02 02:03:17 <Psi> soundcard?
Aug 02 02:03:31 <Psi> or, mic in the case of n900
Aug 02 02:03:43 <fusi> oooh it runs!
Aug 02 02:03:50 <Psi> is that what he was going to suggest? :P
Aug 02 02:03:50 <DocScrutinizer> use a phototransistor and a 3.5mm 4pole. connect phototransistor to sleve and lowest ring. Done
Aug 02 02:04:12 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: how did you know :-D
Aug 02 02:04:20 <Psi> DocScrutinizer: no need to filter out the carrier?
Aug 02 02:04:25 <DocScrutinizer> no
Aug 02 02:04:28 <Psi> ok
Aug 02 02:04:30 <Psi> thankx
Aug 02 02:04:37 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Aug 02 02:05:20 <Psi> any idea of those two connections are on the tv out cable?
Aug 02 02:05:31 <Psi> so i dont need to go find a 4pole 3.5mm
Aug 02 02:05:32 <DocScrutinizer> yellow
Aug 02 02:05:42 <Psi> :)
Aug 02 02:05:52 <DocScrutinizer> + = pin, GND = shield
Aug 02 02:05:55 <Psi> yeah
Aug 02 02:06:12 <DocScrutinizer> 2.5V, 2k2R series
Aug 02 02:06:24 <DocScrutinizer> aka source Z
Aug 02 02:06:37 <DocScrutinizer> so really all you need is a phototransistor
Aug 02 02:06:41 <Psi> yeah
Aug 02 02:07:14 <DocScrutinizer> if you wanna get fancy, place a 100pF in parallel (filter carrier ;-D )
Aug 02 02:07:53 <Psi> i have a few IR reciever chips somewhere
Aug 02 02:08:09 <DocScrutinizer> or do the math for a RC filter with R=2k2 and f(0)=10kHz
Aug 02 02:08:23 <fusi> wish i undserstood electronivs
Aug 02 02:08:55 <DocScrutinizer> maybe yu can even use 1nF
Aug 02 02:08:56 <Psi> fusi: you dont really need to understand much to be able to join existing stuff together and make whatever you want
Aug 02 02:09:11 <fusi> like burnt out bits of electronics?
Aug 02 02:09:14 <fusi> :D
Aug 02 02:09:14 <DocScrutinizer> but I bet you don't need any of that
Aug 02 02:09:17 <Psi> heh
Aug 02 02:09:33 <Psi> DocScrutinizer: yeah
Aug 02 02:09:52 * DocScrutinizer takes a glance at schematics
Aug 02 02:11:00 <Psi> so you have the n900 schematics?
Aug 02 02:11:07 <SpeedEvil> yes
Aug 02 02:11:10 <Psi> nice
Aug 02 02:11:13 <SpeedEvil> they're on the wiki
Aug 02 02:11:19 * Psi didnt know this
Aug 02 02:11:36 <DocScrutinizer> there's already a 100pF, after the bed
Aug 02 02:11:53 <fusi> pF..
Aug 02 02:12:00 <fusi> pico farrad? :D
Aug 02 02:12:02 <DocScrutinizer> pico Farad
Aug 02 02:12:05 <fusi> yay
Aug 02 02:12:08 <fusi> i was right
Aug 02 02:12:11 * fusi dances
Aug 02 02:12:18 <Psi> heh
Aug 02 02:12:29 <DocScrutinizer> bead
Aug 02 02:13:53 <DocScrutinizer> L4080 bead 120R/100MHz
Aug 02 02:14:01 <DocScrutinizer> irrelevant for kHz
Aug 02 02:14:52 <DocScrutinizer> blocks the RF so it goes to FMRX rather than to GND via 100pF
Aug 02 02:15:47 <Psi> so irrecord can read the line in directly?
Aug 02 02:17:09 <DocScrutinizer> nope, you'll need to use soundcard for this
Aug 02 02:18:01 <Psi> sounds like the oscilloscope would be easier
Aug 02 02:18:13 <DocScrutinizer> though *IF* it actually pulls down the line to GND, then HOLD button even shall get triggered that can somehow get read directly
Aug 02 02:18:48 <nox-> apparently lirc has a portaudio driver for soundcard input...
Aug 02 02:18:48 <DocScrutinizer> hey, I'd prefer audacity to a cheap scope for this task every day
Aug 02 02:19:05 <nox-> tho i much doubt thats got built for n900 lirc :)
Aug 02 02:19:08 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: \o/
Aug 02 02:19:14 <Psi> for getting codes when your away from home yeah, this is definitly the way to go
Aug 02 02:19:43 <Psi> but at home its probably simpler to just use the rigol
Aug 02 02:20:10 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: where did I see your nick recently?
Aug 02 02:20:55 <nox-> hm lirc docs talk about an audio-alsa input too...
Aug 02 02:20:55 <Psi> think ill make a 4pole 3.5->phototransistor module i can keep in my wallet
Aug 02 02:21:02 <DocScrutinizer> champion developer of August? co-author of a package with 2 other guys?
Aug 02 02:21:07 <nox-> DocScrutinizer, you tell me :)
Aug 02 02:21:11 <nox-> hm?
Aug 02 02:21:19 <nox-> probabyl different nox
Aug 02 02:21:31 <nox-> ly
Aug 02 02:21:33 <nox-> even
Aug 02 02:21:42 <nox-> http://www.lirc.org/html/audio-alsa.html
Aug 02 02:22:04 <nox-> ah yeah lirc-0.9.0/daemons/hw_audio_alsa.c
Aug 02 02:22:20 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm rigol
Aug 02 02:22:37 <Psi> 1052e
Aug 02 02:22:42 <nox-> this is the hw:  http://www.lirc.org/ir-audio.html
Aug 02 02:22:44 <Psi> the one everyone hacked to 100mhz :D
Aug 02 02:22:55 <nox-> whats that, a tuner?
Aug 02 02:23:01 <DocScrutinizer> sope
Aug 02 02:23:01 <Psi> oscilloscope
Aug 02 02:23:03 <nox-> ah
Aug 02 02:23:04 <DocScrutinizer> scope
Aug 02 02:23:41 <nox-> DocScrutinizer, curious which package were you thinking of?
Aug 02 02:23:42 <Psi> i should get one of those new agilent ones
Aug 02 02:23:44 <DocScrutinizer> I got rid of basically all my tools 
Aug 02 02:23:49 <Psi> mm.. fast update rate
Aug 02 02:24:33 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: no idea. Just seen a nox- mentioned somewhere last 48h, thought "duh, you know that guy?"
Aug 02 02:25:05 <nox-> im mostly a freebsd guy, something to do with that?
Aug 02 02:25:19 <DocScrutinizer> fullname (nox-@somewhere.foo)
Aug 02 02:25:34 <nox-> nox@freebsd.org
Aug 02 02:25:38 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Aug 02 02:26:00 <DocScrutinizer> in some .h or whitepaper or sth
Aug 02 02:26:12 <nox-> heh
Aug 02 02:26:16 <nox-> i wonder what that was :)
Aug 02 02:26:26 <DocScrutinizer> nfc
Aug 02 02:26:31 <nox-> *g*
Aug 02 02:27:05 <DocScrutinizer> packrat?
Aug 02 02:27:22 <nox-> hm i dont even remember what that is...
Aug 02 02:27:30 <DocScrutinizer> nm
Aug 02 02:27:45 <DocScrutinizer> If I recall it I'll let you know
Aug 02 02:27:50 <nox-> heh ok
Aug 02 02:40:10 <DocScrutinizer> dang, my dns-server(s) dead, probably not long until I'm offline
Aug 02 02:40:48 <nox-> try 8.8.8.8
Aug 02 02:40:51 <nox-> (google's)
Aug 02 02:41:09 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, just needs reconfiguration of my router :-/
Aug 02 02:42:01 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it's even my provider's DSLAM
Aug 02 02:42:10 <DocScrutinizer> modem acts weird
Aug 02 02:44:15 <nox-> you can also put it in your local resolv.conf for the time being
Aug 02 02:50:02 <DocScrutinizer> tzzz, changing second DNS to 8.8.8.8 in router made all work great, PRIMARY DNS is answering again
Aug 02 02:50:18 <nox-> heh
Aug 02 02:50:34 <DocScrutinizer> I think this ZyXEL P660 is *crap*
Aug 02 02:50:56 * nox- oldschool, still using freebsd as router here...
Aug 02 02:51:11 <DocScrutinizer> can't afford that :-D
Aug 02 02:52:43 <nox-> mh
Aug 02 02:53:09 <DocScrutinizer> I've seen this effect before, seems each time the modem thinks about using secondary DNS it goes apeshit
Aug 02 02:53:23 <nox-> oh
Aug 02 02:53:46 <nox-> (you mean the router?)
Aug 02 02:54:02 <DocScrutinizer> somehow last time I tried to investigate what's going on, everything was *really* weird, like 2nd DNS got messed up and killing primary DNS table or sth
Aug 02 02:54:23 <nox-> o_O
Aug 02 02:55:16 <DocScrutinizer> I'm using a very proprietary DNS which isn't exactly meant to be public usage
Aug 02 02:55:42 <DocScrutinizer> and I'm all doubt about the secondary DNS there being a proper DNS at all
Aug 02 02:56:03 <nox-> well google's is `proper'
Aug 02 02:56:19 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, so I might keep 8.8.8.8 for secondary
Aug 02 02:56:29 <nox-> ah the one you had, ok
Aug 02 02:56:58 <DocScrutinizer> th eone I used for secondary 5min ago
Aug 02 02:57:04 <nox-> yeah
Aug 02 02:57:23 <DocScrutinizer> instead of that x.x.212.52
Aug 02 02:57:44 <DocScrutinizer> of a small provider here in my town
Aug 02 02:57:57 <DocScrutinizer> that's not at all related to me
Aug 02 02:58:04 <nox-> heh
Aug 02 02:59:47 <DocScrutinizer> advantage of distributed info. DSL provider knows my IP<->realname, this DNS knows my queries and IP but can't correlate to any real name
Aug 02 02:59:49 * nox- once discovered an uni dns in one little used box when it wouldnt resolve anymore, apparently it then was moved or closed for the outside
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