**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 04 02:59:57 2011 Aug 04 03:28:33 hi, I run a python game - from pyweek, directly on N900. but it is slow :S any idea to speed it up? Aug 04 03:32:23 Find some manner to profile what's slow? Aug 04 03:33:45 SpeedEvil: It run at 20 FPS. For a platformer Aug 04 03:42:02 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1063823#post1063823 Aug 04 03:42:04 * fusi dances Aug 04 03:45:23 what was wrong with oauth in the first place? Aug 04 03:45:28 a library problem or a you problem Aug 04 03:47:02 PEBKAC :P Aug 04 03:54:30 im not the official maintainer of the package Aug 04 03:54:38 i have chosen to fix it myself Aug 04 03:55:12 the plugin was written before oauth came into effect Aug 04 03:55:24 thus is was using basic auth only Aug 04 03:56:11 Oh - neat. Aug 04 03:56:20 Hmm. Aug 04 03:56:38 mm? Aug 04 03:56:49 scoobydoobydoo Aug 04 03:57:38 neat - twitter Aug 04 03:58:00 i just wrote a rather scathing post Aug 04 03:58:04 i think i should delete it Aug 04 03:58:20 but it is my true sentiment Aug 04 03:58:23 hmmm.. Aug 04 03:59:18 n9 price leaked. http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B005FIY8NW/ref=sr_1_8?s=ce-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1312422360&sr=1-8 Aug 04 03:59:39 meh Aug 04 03:59:50 EUR 20 cheaper than iPhone4 Aug 04 04:00:07 what is the iphone4 in US dollars? Aug 04 04:00:20 a bajillion dollars Aug 04 04:00:27 and your left leg Aug 04 04:00:35 suspicious... Aug 04 04:00:36 and your soul Aug 04 04:00:41 and any selfrespect Aug 04 04:01:04 well where I WAS going was.... it really needs to be no more than 500 USD Aug 04 04:01:09 heh Aug 04 04:01:09 or buying it would not make sense for anyone Aug 04 04:01:26 ive got an n900, i have no need for anything else Aug 04 04:01:34 antman8969: you can buy 2 N900 for $500 Aug 04 04:01:37 new Aug 04 04:01:43 where from? Aug 04 04:02:00 never saw that, but even if, the consumers that the n9 targets is not the n900 base Aug 04 04:02:01 hongkong Aug 04 04:02:14 real n900's? ^^ Aug 04 04:02:55 using the n950, the n900s hardware seems very dated Aug 04 04:03:06 physically that is Aug 04 04:03:16 does it have a hw keyb Aug 04 04:03:24 the n950? Aug 04 04:03:30 or the n900 from hong kong Aug 04 04:03:34 n950 Aug 04 04:03:37 yea Aug 04 04:03:40 is that the meego one Aug 04 04:03:56 well, it's being sold as meego, but it's still maemo6 Aug 04 04:03:59 but yea Aug 04 04:04:10 mmm Aug 04 04:04:16 i might have a look at it :p Aug 04 04:04:45 i want N950 Aug 04 04:05:10 lol well, it's on better than the n9 imo Aug 04 04:05:18 the onscreen keyboard is pretty good, I never use the keyboard Aug 04 04:10:37 beddie byes for me Aug 04 04:10:40 o/ nn Aug 04 05:35:25 hy i have install android gingerbread 2.3 Aug 04 05:35:39 but my calls r not working Aug 04 05:35:49 can u help me? Aug 04 05:37:05 last I heard nitdroid still couldn't send or receive calls but the developers thought they were *this close* to getting it working Aug 04 05:37:33 same problem with the camera Aug 04 05:37:38 that was tweeted last week. No followup tho Aug 04 05:37:43 not working Aug 04 05:38:07 can help me with the camera? Aug 04 05:38:14 it all goes back to hardware... Aug 04 05:38:14 if the calls r not working? Aug 04 05:38:27 what setting shoud i do? Aug 04 05:38:54 or it's a bug from nitdroid? Aug 04 05:39:16 I don't have personal experience with nitdroid...I just follow the tmo posts for interest Aug 04 05:39:52 ok Aug 04 05:40:01 sorry Aug 04 05:40:07 how i get rid of all? Aug 04 05:41:34 I'd search tmo for nitdroid,, find the thread with 4000 or so comments, read the first comment. It likely has uninstall directions or links to them Aug 04 05:42:39 good luck Aug 04 05:45:19 thx mate Aug 04 05:45:54 but with a fiasco image Aug 04 05:46:05 a flash with a fiasco image Aug 04 05:46:11 will solve the problems? Aug 04 05:52:42 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/03/google_claims_conspiracy_against_android/ <-- ""I have worked in the tech sector for over two decades. Microsoft and Apple have always been at each other’s throats, so when they get into bed together you have to start wondering what's going on," Drummond ... Aug 04 05:52:55 ... said on Wednesday" Aug 04 05:56:49 "Instead of competing by building new features or devices, they are fighting through litigation." <-- sad but true Aug 04 05:58:35 search about seabird Aug 04 05:58:47 anothe phone project Aug 04 05:58:54 another phone project Aug 04 05:59:33 ruskie Aug 04 06:00:01 how i can get rid of android gingerbread from my n900>? Aug 04 06:00:39 Uh... delete the image file and possibly remove multiboot> Aug 04 06:01:01 that's all? Aug 04 06:01:03 (and or partition, if it's stored there instead) Aug 04 06:01:05 i have to do? Aug 04 06:01:30 it's stor on my emmc card Aug 04 06:01:40 it's stored on my emmc card Aug 04 06:01:46 As a file, or a partition? Aug 04 06:01:47 the immage Aug 04 06:01:51 the image Aug 04 06:02:14 File, or partition? Aug 04 06:02:31 hm... Aug 04 06:02:37 i think it's file Aug 04 06:02:54 If you've got a several-GB file there, then probably Aug 04 06:03:31 k... Aug 04 06:03:52 And you can remove it by deleting it, and then removeMultiboot unless you need it. Aug 04 06:04:04 meego will work fine on n900? Aug 04 06:04:14 u try that? Aug 04 07:49:39 Moo all Aug 04 07:50:51 heya ab Aug 04 08:01:00 meego it's a goo operating system? Aug 04 08:01:05 meego it's a good operating system? Aug 04 08:12:55 meego it's a good operating system? Aug 04 08:15:38 godtrunks: sure, why not Aug 04 08:16:30 :) Aug 04 08:17:57 i have a emmc 2gb.it's not a lite version of meego? Aug 04 08:18:17 you have what? Aug 04 08:18:28 or maybe i can install it on phone memory? Aug 04 08:18:52 oh, a microsd Aug 04 08:19:15 yes Aug 04 08:19:20 i think that most ports kinda require a microsd Aug 04 08:19:22 so, u know something? Aug 04 08:19:34 If I say no will you go away or at least start using some proper english? Aug 04 08:19:36 i have a micro sd Aug 04 08:19:37 i know i don't know Aug 04 08:19:43 but it's 2 gb Aug 04 08:20:14 iy's not enough Aug 04 08:20:20 it's not enough Aug 04 08:20:56 buy a bigger one then Aug 04 08:20:59 i doubt you'll spend more than 5 [currency] Aug 04 08:22:44 the phone will be slower then... Aug 04 08:48:05 !help Aug 04 09:03:34 godtrunks: biggier sd card doesnt make your phone slower Aug 04 09:05:50 same fight again cehteh?? Aug 04 09:06:24 .. Aug 04 09:08:53 remember? Aug 04 09:08:57 :)) Aug 04 09:09:53 has anyone tried Qt 4.8 on Fremantle? Aug 04 09:10:46 well .. you are still wrong Aug 04 09:11:05 but its your phone do whatever you want Aug 04 09:12:00 hey Aug 04 09:12:14 cehteh Aug 04 09:12:18 need your help Aug 04 09:13:14 i tryed my best and wrote myself into n950 program, do not believe i'll be approved, but testing my luck =) Aug 04 09:15:16 cehteh Aug 04 09:15:17 need your help Aug 04 09:15:31 so what? Aug 04 09:16:38 i whant to remove nitdroid Aug 04 09:17:09 i never installed it Aug 04 09:17:30 see topic Aug 04 09:19:49 from where? Aug 04 09:19:52 topic? Aug 04 09:20:12 type /topic Aug 04 09:23:21 not working cehteh Aug 04 09:24:50 Insufficient arguments for command. Aug 04 09:25:40 asd Aug 04 09:25:47 not working.. Aug 04 09:28:18 can u help me cehteh? Aug 04 09:36:36 godtrunks, he meant in your irc client Aug 04 09:37:24 Insufficient arguments for command. Aug 04 09:37:28 have this error Aug 04 09:39:21 [11:19] --- Topic for #maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Aug 04 09:41:09 thx Aug 04 09:41:21 in some irc clients it might be necessary to type "/topic #maemo" instead of just "/topic", I suppose Aug 04 09:42:30 I recall that in ircII it also works to type "/topic *" Aug 04 09:42:35 maybe that even tries to set the topic :) Aug 04 09:42:54 ah webchat Aug 04 09:43:02 only if you give more arguments to the commandopi Aug 04 09:43:11 -pi Aug 04 09:44:28 i use webchat Aug 04 09:44:35 hey even the webchat has a topic lie Aug 04 09:44:37 line Aug 04 09:44:49 how Aug 04 09:44:53 i have this Aug 04 09:44:55 Insufficient arguments for command. Aug 04 09:45:08 above the text messages ^^ Aug 04 09:45:25 it shows the topic on top on the browser window Aug 04 09:46:20 i dont have Aug 04 09:46:32 i'm at work.. Aug 04 09:48:09 m( Aug 04 09:48:26 i knwo Aug 04 09:48:30 it's bad.. Aug 04 09:48:43 i know Aug 04 09:48:45 it's bad.. Aug 04 09:48:55 trainning time :))0 Aug 04 09:49:09 i'm out .. Aug 04 09:50:33 u finish work? Aug 04 09:51:03 you r lucky :)) Aug 04 09:53:35 did u read the topic about n900 camera? Aug 04 09:53:37 cehteh Aug 04 10:35:14 Morning, all Aug 04 10:35:32 morning Aug 04 10:36:03 bleh, being reminded of UGT :) Aug 04 10:36:57 some interesting question was thrown around in cssu the other day (actually awhile ago by now) did you happen to see that Jaffa? Aug 04 10:37:58 psycho_oreos: I didn't, I've been on holiday. Aug 04 10:38:26 Jaffa: ahh well that somewhat explains it ;) should I post relevant subject in appropriate area or just here? Aug 04 10:43:01 Jaffa: morning Aug 04 10:43:12 psycho_oreos: Back in #maemo-ssu, I guess. Or a link to the log URL Aug 04 10:48:59 cehteh, thx for the help yesterday, ordered an n900 :) Aug 04 11:15:47 robbiethe1st: ping Aug 04 11:15:51 pong Aug 04 11:17:03 I should probably post this on yer tmo thread in regards to backupmenu (new version but not version 2). Should add a functionality to only backup /opt not /opt && /home :) They both live on the same partition but different mount points Aug 04 11:17:41 actually thinking about it, I guess its slightly irrelevant though, I guess its only for noob like me who just didn't realise that using a backup from one N900 to another N900 should take some precautions ;) Aug 04 11:18:42 gah, how can I install CSSU without having to backup? Aug 04 11:19:14 initially I realised I needed to backup my /home after reflashing but after restoring a backup made by another N900 I thought /home was retained when in actual fact it wasn't. So I deleted the tarball I initially created and realised that was a big mistake. I managed to recover the tarball and restored my /home however :) Aug 04 11:20:06 download individual debs and manually install them? ;) Aug 04 11:21:11 MohammadAG: see my question Aug 04 11:21:28 psycho_oreos: well I have a backup created from about 10 mins ago, it forces me to do it again Aug 04 11:21:34 and after I am done, nothing :/ Aug 04 11:22:12 hiemanshu, you don't have to backup Aug 04 11:23:10 MohammadAG: I let the enabler do its thing, I hit update all, and then gives me the 'agree to this', and then asks me to create a backup Aug 04 11:23:15 well in fact osso-backup afaik restores the CSSU repository when you restore that newly created backup. So you still download the updates Aug 04 11:23:26 unless if I read you wrong Aug 04 11:23:33 hiemanshu, or you can continue afaik Aug 04 11:23:47 MohammadAG: nope, no continue option Aug 04 11:24:06 I think I screwed up the package manager Aug 04 11:24:08 what does HAM's log say? Aug 04 11:25:38 MohammadAG: where can I find the log? Aug 04 11:25:47 title menu Aug 04 11:25:49 robbiethe1st: I'm sure the backupmenu doesn't need pk does it? Aug 04 11:26:16 gah, it crashed, lemme open it again Aug 04 11:26:24 Oh, uh, it shouldn't. Aug 04 11:26:35 Though the terminal mode does Aug 04 11:27:08 ahh yeah that would be the reason why :) I even tried copying the pk's kernel objects in a futile attempt and that also failed lol Aug 04 11:27:29 I'm not sure I added error-checking there, either, so it could crash if you try to run terminal mode and don't have the modules Aug 04 11:27:43 Well, why not use flasher to load PK? Aug 04 11:27:51 so long as the modules are installed... Aug 04 11:27:52 also.. using the same user && root passwd for ssh login via usb networking doesn't work. Using the same passwd as the ones when I regularly ssh into the device Aug 04 11:28:21 You're going to have to post on the topic Aug 04 11:28:24 I was restoring the device lol and I didn't have these stuff prepared so yeah Aug 04 11:28:29 *nods* Aug 04 11:28:47 One thing you can do as far as passwords go, is go find the chunk of code there that deals with password Aug 04 11:29:12 MohammadAG: just the normal 'apt-worker: domain change: * (nokia-system -> unsigned)' Aug 04 11:29:17 there's a "enter string" function. the second parameter is currently a 1, if you set it to a 0 instead, it'll show the password in plain text Aug 04 11:29:19 as you type Aug 04 11:29:26 it actually didn't crash for terminal mode, Ctrl+D exits the terminal mode with error screen but you can still use backupmenu. Otherwise with plain terminal mode it shows a blank screen with a rather nicely lit backlight Aug 04 11:29:44 hmm Aug 04 11:29:47 huh, interesting. that's nice Aug 04 11:30:07 hiemanshu, how comfortable are you with using terminal? Aug 04 11:30:30 MohammadAG: I am 13 terminal windows open right now on my pc Aug 04 11:30:34 s/am/have/ Aug 04 11:30:34 hiemanshu meant: MohhavemadAG: I am 13 terminal windows open right now on my pc Aug 04 11:30:34 yeah I tried to hack yer script to make it dump the salted MD5 hashed /etc/passwd but that made backupmenu useless until I reverted changes lol Aug 04 11:30:50 hiemanshu, apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr Aug 04 11:31:10 Uh...lets see Aug 04 11:31:19 open up /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenu.item Aug 04 11:31:19 but yeah terminal mode works just nothing is shown on screen with standard maemo kernel, even if one desperately tries to copy pk47 kernel modules across Aug 04 11:32:00 well, no. it wouldn't be able to load the modules.. Aug 04 11:32:06 I'm guessing its menu_sshserv? Aug 04 11:32:14 at least for the passwd part Aug 04 11:32:42 yeah that's what I thought, but again it was rather a desperate and futile attempt that I was trying to cling on at the time lol Aug 04 11:32:48 MohammadAG: gah, stupid apt-get wont download anything at all :( Aug 04 11:33:03 Wait... there's three possible password entry bits: 1 being a lock on BM when you first start - you have to touch a certain file to enable this Aug 04 11:33:18 apt-get through console is quite useful in console to show errors fyi :) Aug 04 11:33:19 2 being the on-device terminal, and three ssh/usbconsole terminal Aug 04 11:33:23 hiemanshu, err? Aug 04 11:33:32 hmm Aug 04 11:33:40 BTW, am I the only one not using the keyboard much on the N950? Aug 04 11:33:41 MohammadAG: apt-get wont update, or download anything, rebooting, might be a network issue Aug 04 11:33:56 MohammadAG: naah, I barely feel like opening up the keyboard :/ Aug 04 11:33:56 psycho_oreos: Which one are you looking at? Aug 04 11:34:01 that'll be interesting how you have to touch a file for the lock to be unlocked Aug 04 11:34:23 Well, it's touch a file to enable locking, but... Aug 04 11:34:32 robbiethe1st: well moreso the ssh and usbnetworking. I'm not going to fight over the terminal mode for now :) its rather useless with standard kernel, period Aug 04 11:34:42 Ok. Aug 04 11:34:56 yeah, I thought that was unrelated, it was most likely I thought to do with locking BM rather than anything else Aug 04 11:35:01 First thing you're going to want to try is running SSH with all the verbose options Aug 04 11:35:26 that shouldn't be too hard, but to dump that over T2S would be pain for a complete newb for me :D Aug 04 11:35:33 No Aug 04 11:35:36 From your PC Aug 04 11:35:45 ahh Aug 04 11:35:50 Just put it in ssh mode, attempt to connect with verbose options Aug 04 11:36:08 also, note that I'm more than a little tired right now, and may not be thinking/typing straight Aug 04 11:36:55 *nods* thanks for help though :D good to know there's always support even though one may not be tmo (I'm stuck permanently onto N900's internet until quota is reset) Aug 04 11:37:08 Ouch Aug 04 11:37:12 Yea, NP Aug 04 11:37:13 I thought its more related on the sshd side rather than ssh Aug 04 11:37:22 Yea, it is. Aug 04 11:37:28 hmm Aug 04 11:37:32 psycho_oreos: unlimited plans ftw \o/ Aug 04 11:37:49 But it could be one of those little config files not quite right, or password, or... Aug 04 11:38:01 hiemanshu: if only such *real* plans like that exist for wireless broadband over where I live :) Aug 04 11:38:15 psycho_oreos: where do you live? Aug 04 11:38:44 Also, you may want to go download the powerkernel deb file, extract the zImage, and flash it to the kernel partition. that should fix your on-device terminal Aug 04 11:39:08 I sort of doubt it would be incorrect password, I've typed the same passwd correct several times. I've even reconfirmed both user && root passwd just to try logging in through BM method but no dice Aug 04 11:39:18 hiemanshu: Qld, .au :) Aug 04 11:39:33 In that case, verbode mose Aug 04 11:39:33 psycho_oreos: and I thought India was bad :P Aug 04 11:39:46 it'll probably say some weird error that needs to be googled Aug 04 11:40:38 robbiethe1st: yeah I'm planning to do that but I'll need to play with command line web browser from maemo.. there's no nat table (which is just brilliant, forcing SSH only mode. My laptop doesn't have something like networkmanager but an outdated umtsmon which doesn't handle N900) Aug 04 11:41:17 hiemanshu: I guess depends on where you live in India, but over here, its bad for technology aspect :) everything is backward orientated compared to nearby asian countries imo Aug 04 11:41:37 And you can't download the networkmanager package and dependancies via N900? Aug 04 11:41:43 robbiethe1st: I'll play with that tomorrow if I can, for now I guess I'll try and get pk to work Aug 04 11:41:49 Ok Aug 04 11:41:56 Post what you find in my topic, please Aug 04 11:42:14 will do if I get iptables-nat.ko to work :) Aug 04 11:42:16 psycho_oreos: I am in bangalore, its called the silicon valley because of all the tech stuff around here Aug 04 11:42:26 or I'll just be gung-ho and use wget/lynx/links ;) Aug 04 11:43:29 hiemanshu: its funny I tell ya, in nearby asian countries, cities closer to the sea ports are well developed but otherwise there's no bullcrap about oligopoly for telecommunication/networking like what I have here Aug 04 11:44:00 I have to say... wvdial. Great for using your N900 as a modem from Linux Aug 04 11:44:01 dependencies and package for networkmanager over N900 will be a pain :| considering I'm on archlinux for lappy Aug 04 11:44:34 wvdial may be a better choice then, but you'll have to google for a config file Aug 04 11:45:00 heh wvdial = woeful for me. No username and password for my wireless broadband accounts, and wvdial just sets pppd to highest baud rate which forces its inability to connect to internet Aug 04 11:45:54 I wish I had my working config handy Aug 04 11:46:34 psycho_oreos: use mobile hotspot? Aug 04 11:46:39 works for me Aug 04 11:46:54 I've tried that before with my wireless broadband USB dongle (which is with a different provider compared to this one) but wvdial is woeful. Its the same case with N900 so I'm not going to assume wvdial will work automagically :). I remember spending hours trying to get wvdial to work with blank username/password fields but it always sets pppd to highest baud rate which fails to work (inevitably) Aug 04 11:47:32 hiemanshu: am seriously thinking of that but I'm very paranoid on security, mobile hotspot utilises WEP (for N900 as a program anyway) which is a big no for me personally Aug 04 11:47:45 http://dartarrow.net/using-nokia-n900-as-a-modem/137 is what you need Aug 04 11:48:05 change "diginet" to your APN, run it. Aug 04 11:48:09 I'm sure there is a guide to tethering N900 to linux with N900 as being the modem/router. I have that page bookmarked on my dead desktop Aug 04 11:48:52 hmm, *looks for links/lynx/elinks* in maemo repos :D Aug 04 11:51:16 Hi, my name is lew. I come from china. Anybody understand chinese? Aug 04 11:51:43 grr lynx is there but I only have 3MB left in rootfs. I really need to somehow get this stupid apt lists stuff moved permanently to /opt area.. with extras-devel enabled it really eats up rootfs space :/ Aug 04 11:52:25 I understand a little Chinese but how is this related to the channel? have you tried asking on the talk maemo forums? Aug 04 11:52:40 psycho_oreos, hm we moved the caches off rootfs I am sure Aug 04 11:53:21 lcuk: nah not the cache, there's a bloke whom found /var/lib/dpkg could be optified but changes aren't permanent. Aug 04 11:53:37 I've tried to improve his idea but I didn't get very far Aug 04 11:54:02 hi lew, sorry i dont Aug 04 11:55:17 in fact speaking of caches, I've hacked apt-get to download packages into /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache which is the same directory as HAM uses when red pill is enabled and set to not delete installed packages Aug 04 11:55:50 psycho_oreos, hm /var/lib/apt and /vat/cahe/apt are optified by default Aug 04 11:55:54 I bought N900 last week. I have some Q & P with the app on maemo . Errr.... Maybe I should go #maemo talk . If it's true and right . I go there now , thanks. Aug 04 11:55:58 /var/cache/apt Aug 04 11:56:23 lcuk: yeah but those aren't the directory I'm talking about though :) Aug 04 11:56:25 http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/master/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf#line25 Aug 04 11:56:26 i know Aug 04 11:56:44 but I am now wondering why the dpkg ones are not in there by default Aug 04 11:56:46 lew: when I meant #maemo talk I meant talk.maemo.org :) Aug 04 11:57:10 * psycho_oreos checks the link via wget Aug 04 11:59:01 currently /var/lib/dpkg eats 14M on my rootfs (that's with a fair amounts of repos enabled including extras-devel but not extras-testing) Aug 04 12:00:23 the problem is that it can't be optified easily. I've tried making apt-get download and read from a new directory but it just doesn't do it properly. So my intermediate solution was an ugly hack to do binding mounts (with huge failures needless to say) Aug 04 12:02:11 psycho_oreos, why can't it be optified easily? Aug 04 12:03:02 lcuk: when one runs apt-get for instance, it recreates files like status and status-old in /var/lib/dpkg. That's one problem Aug 04 12:03:34 the other is that the lock file is best not to be moved or even symlinked or that breaks apt-get. Though you can still have lock file sitting in the usual directory however Aug 04 12:03:39 psycho_oreos, so if the folder is optified wholesale then it won't run? Aug 04 12:03:56 * lcuk just testing the hypothosis now Aug 04 12:04:12 OK, Thanks . I will go right now. Aug 04 12:04:39 lcuk: if you just optified it without doing binding mounts it probably wouldn't work or it just recreates necessary stuff in the usual directory (hence rendering the initial optification of that directory useless) Aug 04 12:05:03 psycho_oreos, hm? Aug 04 12:05:14 the optify boottime stuff will just optify the whole folder Aug 04 12:05:29 the apps running and writing files in that folder should not know difference Aug 04 12:05:46 meaning that it moves the targeted directory to /opt and be done? if that's the case it won't work :) Aug 04 12:06:44 some of the files within /var/lib/dpkg gets updated when apt-get for instance is run, but I'm guessing dpkg itself also highly depends on that directory for various functions on its own such as pkg management for instance Aug 04 12:06:54 * psycho_oreos should find that bookmarked thread Aug 04 12:06:59 s/thread/blog/ Aug 04 12:07:15 psycho_oreos, sure it does, but I am not talking about individual files being optified Aug 04 12:07:30 if the whole folder /var/lib/dpkg is optified Aug 04 12:08:04 psycho_oreos, seems to be working here Aug 04 12:08:07 ymmv Aug 04 12:09:22 lcuk: o.O I'm sure if you ran apt-get or dpkg after its optified without binding mounts it won't work :) not in my case. Even with fapman/HAM Aug 04 12:10:12 psycho_oreos, I just apt-get update; apt-get install liqbook Aug 04 12:10:53 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 4 13:02 /var/lib/dpkg -> /opt/var/lib/dpkg Aug 04 12:11:25 * psycho_oreos gives that a go as well Aug 04 12:11:32 ymmv Aug 04 12:11:34 :) Aug 04 12:11:38 backup first Aug 04 12:13:28 indeed Aug 04 12:17:17 lcuk: is the optifying process documented somewhere? I mean the "user API" to /etc/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf Aug 04 12:17:47 I want to write an app for maemo - it should be very simple... what would be the best program to create a gui...? are there any tools that facilitate this? Aug 04 12:18:31 lcuk: also, have you ever wrapped your head arounf optifying that friggin 20MB locale-cache file (or whatever it's called) Aug 04 12:18:56 Qt, scratchbox? Aug 04 12:19:35 madde Aug 04 12:20:15 that huge locales file is a huge db comprising of many languages installed on the device. Whenever I think of it I'm reminded of ruskie's hack to remove unneeded locales Aug 04 12:20:53 DocScrutinizer, afaik we did look at it, but it slowed down things Aug 04 12:21:02 errr Aug 04 12:21:09 but like most folders, I am sure it is possible Aug 04 12:22:40 why would it slow down things? afaik the monster speed difference between NAND and eMMC is an urban legend Aug 04 12:22:59 esp for read-only access Aug 04 12:23:05 DocScrutinizer, what is the locale folder Aug 04 12:23:34 /usr/lib/locale Aug 04 12:23:40 exactly Aug 04 12:23:44 that's one of the two directories iirc Aug 04 12:23:51 but that monster 20MB file is somewhere else Aug 04 12:24:04 its actually there according to my setup Aug 04 12:24:13 /usr/lib/locale Aug 04 12:24:13 /usr/share/locale Aug 04 12:24:19 i have those 2 optified on my system Aug 04 12:24:33 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24M 2011-05-28 23:07 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive Aug 04 12:24:36 tiagotiago asked about it some time in the past and I added them to my optify conf Aug 04 12:24:45 and it's a PITA anyway, with all that traditional chinese, and arabian, and hungary and whatnot stuff in it Aug 04 12:25:00 DocScrutinizer, you might wake up one day in china Aug 04 12:25:08 meh Aug 04 12:25:11 ;-P Aug 04 12:25:11 lol Aug 04 12:25:34 wuld be nice, did that 2 years ago you know Aug 04 12:25:38 would* Aug 04 12:26:03 still didn't need taiwan locale ;-D Aug 04 12:27:23 I wonder if the language and region settings are open, if so, maybe one can code in a way that locales-archive is built to contain the locales that the user decides to use and have the rest stored elsewhere Aug 04 12:27:25 heh well its similar to zhhk in terms of read/write (language-wise) Aug 04 12:27:25 though I'm sure the arrangement of some things maybe different, like for example date string Aug 04 12:31:34 DocScrutinizer, Yesterday finally was able to get the meego harmattan sdk up and running Aug 04 12:31:46 ran a sample qt program . :) Aug 04 12:32:24 lcuk: lemme guess, those two locales directory were symlinked as is done in a similar fashion as was with /var/lib/dpkg? Aug 04 12:32:55 psycho_oreos, together with a group of folks from collabora and nokia we created maemo-optify-boottime package Aug 04 12:33:14 the conf file I highlighted earlier Aug 04 12:33:15 http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/master/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf#line25 Aug 04 12:33:20 was included into pr1.2 Aug 04 12:33:30 hmm Aug 04 12:33:53 if you add a folder to that file (stored in /etc) then next reboot, the optify script will move the contents to /opt/... and create a symlink Aug 04 12:34:12 we have done lots of testing but it is still possible to get into a muddle for complex mucking around Aug 04 12:34:30 (mainly relating to optifying some folders then reoptifying parents etc) Aug 04 12:34:42 but I just add folders to that config and reboot Aug 04 12:34:51 once it comes back they are optified :) Aug 04 12:35:39 hmm interesting, I guess I'll just add those two directories along with /var/lib/dpkg :) that way I'll have plenty more space in rootfs Aug 04 12:35:55 as I say, backup before tweaking Aug 04 12:35:57 :) Aug 04 12:36:04 best advice I can give you Aug 04 12:36:17 i have those folders in my conf Aug 04 12:36:39 # my stuff Aug 04 12:36:39