**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 10 02:59:57 2011 Aug 10 06:50:52 ah nokia, such a nice idea gone so far wrong Aug 10 08:15:07 I'd like to use a more recent compiler (let's say the most recent codesourcery edition) with scratchbox to develop for the N900. I did some googling on the subject, but didn't really find any clear advice. Is this possible, or will I run into incompatibilities with Nokia-provided libs? Aug 10 08:17:03 Why not just use the version of GCC that came with it? Aug 10 08:18:05 Because it doesn't vectorize some code properly, and apparently gcc 4.5 should be better at that. I'd like to test, but not really looking forward to hacking in something that will turn out non-functional anyway. Aug 10 08:18:10 I don't see why you couldn't even use clang (okay, I didn't check whether it supports the architecture) as long as you keep using the Nokia-provided version of libstdc++. Aug 10 08:18:35 GCC usually ships a new version of libstdc++ and that could easily cause trouble. Aug 10 08:19:01 Even though the API has AFAIK been stable since GCC 3.4. Aug 10 08:19:16 *ABI Aug 10 08:19:39 That's what I'd be expecting, lot's of trouble. Anyone here have experience with switching compilers? Aug 10 08:25:46 so is nokia going to sell n950s? Aug 10 08:26:09 No Aug 10 08:26:10 or are those of us interested screwed and stuck with an N9 as our only option? Aug 10 08:26:22 lame Aug 10 08:26:36 I'd say the N900 is the only option, since the N9 misses the very essential keyboard... Aug 10 08:26:46 yeah Aug 10 08:27:06 my n900 is still missing the very essential usb port that fell off Aug 10 08:27:10 But hey, the N900 is still awesome :) I don't even want a new phone yet Aug 10 08:27:16 going this weekend to get the new one soldered on Aug 10 08:27:24 Ah, that sucks, makes charging a bit hard Aug 10 08:27:30 sure does Aug 10 08:27:34 and i want the port Aug 10 08:28:06 I can understand that. I'm always really careful using the usb port because of all the stories about it breaking. Aug 10 08:28:07 i dont have the awesome soldering skills to fix it myself so i figure i would pay someone to do it Aug 10 08:28:22 best to open it now and enforce it Aug 10 08:28:35 i was so sad that day Aug 10 08:28:50 although messing with my G2 .. android has its moments Aug 10 08:28:55 Might be a good idea actually, just hotglue it in place or something Aug 10 08:29:04 not too bad but not maemo Aug 10 08:29:12 and the kb on the n900 is better Aug 10 08:29:35 yeah. do it now while there is hope Aug 10 08:29:36 Definately Aug 10 08:30:00 i honestly didnt know about the crapily soldered port Aug 10 08:30:12 so it came as a shock to me when it broke Aug 10 08:30:31 talk about saving money in the wrong places Aug 10 08:30:38 :) Aug 10 08:31:15 ah well. hopefully this weekend i can find a place that can solder it on Aug 10 08:31:37 and put something on it to make sure it never falls off again Aug 10 08:31:39 Good luck with it Aug 10 08:31:44 i miss my n900 so much Aug 10 08:32:30 thanks. Aug 10 08:32:40 tech.rancorous.net Aug 10 08:32:48 i put pics of the broken one there Aug 10 08:32:51 :) Aug 10 08:32:54 ah well Aug 10 08:38:13 Interesting pic there of a guy who fixed it Aug 10 08:38:32 what is the name of "user guide" package? i want to remove it via apt-get Aug 10 08:38:57 However I think I'll need to get someone else to fix that for me as well, looks very tiny and easy to screw up... Aug 10 08:42:02 Juozapas: No idea, did some quick apt-cache search stuff, but can't find it. Aug 10 08:42:11 Why not just use HAM or fapman? Aug 10 08:51:13 :/ Aug 10 09:06:45 No gnu screen in the repos :< Aug 10 09:06:49 I am disappoint. Aug 10 09:07:07 No tmux either. Aug 10 09:10:28 there is :) Aug 10 09:11:54 Screen's in a 'tools' repo along with some other stuff Aug 10 09:23:15 distribution: fremantle/tools Aug 10 09:27:41 hehe, the Kangal guy continues his photoshop design quest =) Aug 10 09:39:14 haha Aug 10 09:39:53 The N9 won't be sold in The US, Canada, Belgium, Norway, Netherlands, UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy... Aug 10 09:41:48 ? Aug 10 09:41:53 Oh wait Aug 10 09:41:57 bad blog post, disregard that. Aug 10 09:42:05 nope, n9 won't sell in US and UK only. Aug 10 09:42:23 there was a tmo thread about N9 not for sale in US Aug 10 09:42:40 I don't get the US and UK move though. Aug 10 09:42:41 won't be hard to bring one into US, since it's a fcc certified device anyway Aug 10 09:42:46 beside, any news to bring N9 system to N900? Aug 10 09:42:57 the funny irony is that even though you may not be able to officially get it in US but that doesn't stop you from sourcing the device elsewhere Aug 10 09:43:01 the problem will probably just be the price.. and time to ship it.. Aug 10 09:43:14 I mean, sure, I get it, because Elop wants WP to dominate, yada yada. Aug 10 09:43:18 I don't think either of those are an issue if one's desperate Aug 10 09:43:29 ysss, the problem is carriers Aug 10 09:43:45 ysss, if carriers don't offer it with a contract, most people won't buy it. Aug 10 09:44:18 crash: sure, for nokia. i was talking from a personal pov. Aug 10 09:44:20 if there is no Lock, I guess N9 will be same fate as N900? Aug 10 09:45:02 the n9 has a wider appeal than n900 though.. not to mention it won't have a Tmobile-only frequency (rite?) Aug 10 09:48:59 There's no exact wording on what N9 will be like, will it be a proper phone or will it be an internet tablet with phone functionality just like N900 will be ultimately decided by nokia themselves Aug 10 09:49:00 technically if the carriers don't sell the N9 through a contract, this would actually turn people off. As that would mean for them to obtain one is to either buy it in its outright price (if they can afford it) or to simply not bother with the device at all Aug 10 09:49:45 N9 must have more Commercial support, I saw EA. Aug 10 09:50:37 Beside, N9 won't lose market in China. less than 1% of Chinese buy phone from contract. Aug 10 09:53:45 n950!! Aug 10 09:53:57 how do oyu like it Venemo_N950? Aug 10 09:54:42 xkr47, I like it Aug 10 09:55:20 how much I prefer it or not I will decide when the final firmware comes :) Aug 10 09:57:52 will Nokia sell N950 in US and UK? Aug 10 09:58:11 It would appear that they don't but I would only consider that a rumor at this point. Aug 10 09:58:20 (especially the UK part) Aug 10 09:58:41 jiero, the N950 will not be sold anywhere. Aug 10 10:00:10 crashanddie: I don't want it to be so sure. -_- Aug 10 10:00:16 Has anyone seen a issue where the facebook account is not available in the normal accounts for conversations etc? Community Update. I swear it was there before and is now missing. Aug 10 10:01:19 crashanddie, jiero: Hmm, I misread that as N9 :O Aug 10 10:07:01 the N950 wasn't meant to be sold anywhere and I highly doubt there would be any doubts over N950 being manufactured and made for sale Aug 10 10:13:22 eh nokia quit from american market completely for now Aug 10 10:19:06 not at all, Trewas Aug 10 10:19:18 they're just creating an artificial dry spell Aug 10 10:19:51 hm Aug 10 10:19:55 Sure, let stores reorganize the shelves so that there is no "Nokia" area anymore. Aug 10 10:19:58 That sure will help. Aug 10 10:23:40 why wasn't the plan b successful? :( Aug 10 10:25:34 who knows how the 'regular joes' think nowadays, or the affluent chinese market which makes up a considerable % Aug 10 10:26:09 maybe they'll think the n9 is cool and the market unavailability will drive the demand (and price) up and nokia will have to make 10s of millions to satisfy the weird market Aug 10 10:27:43 fucking Flop Aug 10 10:27:55 go for it Aug 10 10:30:08 freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenode! Aug 10 10:31:43 flashmob "synchronized channel leaving"? Aug 10 10:32:07 ping timeout brah Aug 10 10:33:03 normally i would expect individual ping timeout events instead of >10 the same second Aug 10 10:33:12 conspiration! Aug 10 10:33:35 or freenode Aug 10 10:33:46 the last mystery Aug 10 13:18:19 We're all going to be washed away by the rain. Aug 10 13:18:57 Which won't be the worst way to end one's life. Aug 10 13:21:29 spawn more rain Aug 10 13:21:37 which rain Aug 10 13:22:04 that rain *points to the window* Aug 10 13:22:15 there is no rain. Aug 10 13:22:33 the rain isn't a lie! Aug 10 13:22:36 "there" is an illusion Aug 10 13:23:16 You'd figure with so much rain here Florida drivers would eventually get wise to how to handle it. Aug 10 13:23:41 But noooo, we've got all the damn yankees down here who freak out when there's a little lightning. Aug 10 13:23:55 thunder here as well :D Aug 10 13:24:05 atm Aug 10 13:41:21 heelo Aug 10 14:02:52 Hahaha Aug 10 14:03:16 There are 5 cars stalled out at the instersection from trying to go through the puddle. Aug 10 14:04:12 must be deep! Aug 10 14:06:56 Idiots Aug 10 14:51:22 * javispedro sighs at TMO downtime and the latest Aug 10 14:51:31 post in the ask council thread. Aug 10 15:14:32 javispedro: link? Aug 10 15:15:09 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1067305&postcount=415 Aug 10 15:15:21 I did not know that some idiot was trying to sell one of those noop "optimizer" apps. Aug 10 15:15:59 and specially I did not know that he shipped as many GPLd binaries (what for?) without source. Aug 10 15:17:12 hi, what is the defualt user\pass when connect to my N900 thru putty ? Aug 10 15:17:32 Triscar0: you entered it when installing openssh. Aug 10 15:17:36 It is set when you install Aug 10 15:17:38 that Aug 10 15:17:44 user = root, password = set when you install Aug 10 15:17:53 Hm... ninja'd :) Aug 10 15:18:11 i didnt install anything? just connected my n900 to my network and putty it? Aug 10 15:19:47 Then there is no ssh server running on it Aug 10 15:19:50 and you can't connect Aug 10 15:21:10 javispedro: Why would anyone even bother to try something named "Nokia N900 Smartphone Performance Efficient Enhance Optimization Tune-Up Utilities" ? It even sounds like a scam... Aug 10 15:21:37 ErwinJunge: you'd be surprised... Aug 10 15:21:44 OMG where do I sign up? Aug 10 15:22:04 javispedro, dude!!1 Aug 10 15:22:05 Considering that I'm always surprised when people click links in random e-mails, I guess I'd be surprised here as well :) Aug 10 15:22:06 It should have 'with details of money left to you with an african dictator' in the title too Aug 10 15:22:22 Nokia N900 Smartphone Performance Efficient Enhance Optimization Tune-Up Utilities can totally optimize aegis!!! Aug 10 15:22:43 btw Aug 10 15:22:54 yes I know aegis was hole-d Aug 10 15:23:00 MohammadAG: Now what would happen if that line in the logs would become the first hit in google? :D Aug 10 15:23:21 ErwinJunge, ??? Aug 10 15:23:26 followed by Profit! of course Aug 10 15:23:35 Haha Aug 10 15:24:03 any (root) app can trigger aegis selfdestruction by writing to /var/malf Aug 10 15:24:18 so there's DocScrutinizer's trigger-aegis-selfdestruction app Aug 10 15:24:44 insta-reflash! Aug 10 15:24:53 echo 1 > /var/malf Aug 10 15:25:26 MohammadAG: you need a reboot or "dsmetool -b" for that to enter in effect Aug 10 15:25:30 but I wouldn't do that. Aug 10 15:25:46 unless you have USB cable nearly. Aug 10 15:32:46 I have to wonder if the level of user-friendliness of a mobile device community can be evaluated by monitoring the feedback to "dubious effect tuneup" applications. Aug 10 15:32:53 javispedro: Btw, thanks for your help with SDL_gles earlier, I got it working. Just 5fps however, optimizing now. Aug 10 15:33:06 ie the fact that we still call on the guy proves that we're too geeky. Aug 10 15:33:36 ErwinJunge: ah, nice to know. Are you experimenting with oprofile and all of those? Aug 10 15:33:39 :) Well, the first response said he was interested but didn't understand, so that's a good thing right? Aug 10 15:33:52 is the python interpreter preinstalled in freemantle Aug 10 15:34:03 strangr: nope, but it's on extras. Aug 10 15:34:04 Yeah, used oprofile. Normally use gprof, but it's remarkably similar. Aug 10 15:34:44 oprofile is the suggested way on Maemo either way, considering that we have -dbg symbols for several packages and the oprofile module (already a miracle) Aug 10 15:34:52 can i compile my python scripts into a binary to execute on freemantle Aug 10 15:35:12 20% of time is spent inside one function with a lot of vectorizable loops. Sadly, gcc fails to use neon for this, so I'm looking into writing neon assembly. Aug 10 15:35:24 after a factory reset, will the lock code change?, what is the orginal lock code? 12345? Aug 10 15:35:29 strangr: just depend on the interpreter Aug 10 15:36:44 javispedro: ok so its in extras.. can i have it automatically installed with a qt app i package? Aug 10 15:37:24 javispedro: Did you ever try upgrading gcc to get better auto-vectorization? Aug 10 15:37:29 ErwinJunge: yeah, the Fremantle gcc version also seemingly has a few neon intrinsics bugs Aug 10 15:37:33 strangr: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.or Aug 10 15:37:35 strangr: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org Aug 10 15:37:55 ErwinJunge: nope, did not have the need so far. Aug 10 15:38:35 Was notified about the bugs already (thankfully before implementing the algorithm in neon intrinsics). That's why I'm going to do it in hand-crafted assembly. Should be fun :) Aug 10 15:38:37 javispedro: thanks :) Aug 10 15:40:33 javispedro: I didn't have the need so far either, but this code is in the "embarassingly parallel" group, so it should be easily vectorizable... When googling about upgrading gcc I only found a lot of "not going to work, don't try, very hard" kind of comments. Was hoping to find someone here who had some experience with it. Aug 10 15:41:27 I can attest it is "very hard". Aug 10 15:42:48 so you could test using the prebuilt codesourcery toolchains first Aug 10 15:45:38 Yeah, going to try that. The upside ofcourse is that if it does autovectorize, I can always simply use it's assembly code in the app ;) Aug 10 16:13:17 Hi! I'm just trying to flash my N900 using Fedora 15. I'm using the maemo flasher 3.5 from tar.gz. Aug 10 16:13:29 All I get is Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy Aug 10 16:13:45 But it detects the device at bus 002 Aug 10 16:13:50 any Ideas? Aug 10 16:18:01 fosstux, I don't know, but maybe some other process that gets interested on the device as well Aug 10 16:18:24 fosstux, you could try lsof or fuser to find out, but I'm not certain those will reeval all users Aug 10 16:24:58 fosstux: you have modprobe -r cdc_phonet Aug 10 16:25:03 have to* Aug 10 16:36:56 what command shuld i run on jack the ripper to get it work ? trying to crack my lock code pass because i forgot it. Aug 10 16:37:44 john -i:digits /home/dir/phone_lock_hash Aug 10 16:37:44 ? Aug 10 16:48:44 I got it to work. Aug 10 16:48:48 bye Aug 10 17:00:00 hello Aug 10 17:03:17 hello what is the best way to get ssh over usb with windows pc Aug 10 17:07:27 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/10/nokia_n9_uk_no_plans/ Aug 10 17:07:42 javispedro: Well, I tried with the latest codesourcery binary, also no vectorization, it claims "not vectorized: complicated access pattern." Aug 10 17:09:06 Itschue: I got it working on with Ubuntu using this: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Aug 10 17:09:22 It has some windows instructions as well, I suggest your try those. Aug 10 17:12:25 Btw, this is regarded by gcc as a "complicated access pattern": http://pastebin.com/BFJiqzFb Aug 10 17:26:38 ErwinJunge i know this wiki instruction but i need mad developer is this the only way or the best? Aug 10 17:35:41 Itschue: What do you mean by "I need mad developer"? Aug 10 17:37:48 Windows USB networking does not work out of the box, but the old 770 workaround still works. So follow these steps: Aug 10 17:37:48 install the Mad Developer application on N900 and start it and press "Usb Networking" -> "Windows Network" -> "Close Aug 10 17:38:01 this says the wiki in the windows sektion Aug 10 17:40:02 Ah, well, I guess your screwed then. Sounds like a problem on the Windows side. Aug 10 17:40:32 also im right that this is the only way with windows? Aug 10 17:44:25 and what is the better ssh openssh or dropbear ssh Aug 10 17:52:47 Itschue: I personally use openssh and have never had any problems with it. Can't comment on dropbear. Since I don't use windows, I really don't know if there is another way. From reading that bit of the wiki, it seems the problem lies at the Windows side of things, which suggests that it can't be solved by changing stuff on device. Aug 10 17:58:57 MohammadAG: Hey there, would it be a big bother to you if you would update the youtube-dl package to a more recent version from git? Build and submit? Pretty please? :) The one the repo has a bad bug. Aug 10 18:01:21 MohammadAG: mh wait a minute. youtube-dl can update itself ^^ Aug 10 18:02:24 ok thanks erwin and an other thing is this youi know this thread http://www.forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=73315 Aug 10 18:02:37 i this good or probably a bad thing? Aug 10 18:04:21 Itschue: Generally speaking, all of the "magic speedup script/app" things are bad. I don't know this particular one though. Aug 10 18:06:07 Itschue: Also, the thread tags include things such as "autobrick", "do not install" and "script-a-brick". Aug 10 18:06:21 Doesn't sound very safe to me (I won't try it) Aug 10 18:06:52 Itschue: plus they pretty much don't do crock. Aug 10 18:07:08 Itschue: mostly placebo. Aug 10 18:26:53 What format should a video be in to run absolutely great on the N900? Aug 10 18:28:55 shapeshifter & erwinjunge so its a little fake ? i thougt that isnt really good so i dont try it i think this is the best Aug 10 18:30:00 Itschue: What we're saying is that it is most likely fake and that we don't trust it so are not going to try. Aug 10 18:30:30 Shapeshifter: 1x1 ;) You'll be guaranteed a great framerate Aug 10 18:33:26 But more seriously, I the N900 has hardware acceleration for H264, MPEG-4 and WMV9 Aug 10 18:33:49 So I'd go with H264. Don't forget to scale to 800x480 Aug 10 18:41:39 ErwinJunge: Thanks. Any pointer what tool is best to convert flv to H264 on the device? Aug 10 18:41:44 ffmpeg? Aug 10 18:44:27 I used mencoder. Aug 10 18:49:42 I always use mencoder as well Aug 10 18:50:01 But I think flv can have H264 in it, so just try Aug 10 18:50:11 flv = container format, right? Aug 10 18:50:18 H264 = codec Aug 10 19:14:00 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/USB-30-Promoter-Group-USB-Power-Delivery-specification/ <-- erm Aug 10 19:17:01 Yeah, 20A over your usb cable, think of the possibilities! Free lighting and portable heat from the fire started in the cable! ;) Aug 10 19:17:35 Not quite. Aug 10 19:17:46 For example, 30V@2.5A Aug 10 19:18:06 ErwinJunge: yes I would need to check if the contents are H264, sometimes they are, sometimes not. Aug 10 19:18:17 In fact, it pretty much has to be under 2A or shit will catch fire Aug 10 19:18:46 optification is also oops, i accidentally the whole FHS Aug 10 19:18:46 no, wait Aug 10 19:18:46 ~optification is also oops, i accidentally the whole FHS Aug 10 19:18:46 kerio: that's too long Aug 10 19:18:48 infobot, y u no worky Aug 10 19:19:24 optification is also i accidentally the whole FHS Aug 10 19:19:36 infobot: optification is also i accidentally the whole FHS Aug 10 19:19:36 that's too long, kerio Aug 10 19:19:45 well fuck you then Aug 10 19:23:38 SpeedEvil: They don't say they're going to up the voltage, right? Aug 10 19:23:51 So then 100W means 20A Aug 10 19:24:01 Which is exciting for the cable to say the least ;) Aug 10 19:27:47 * SpeedEvil sighs. Aug 10 19:27:52 Read the fucking words. Aug 10 19:28:03 Sorry, but... Aug 10 19:30:46 I shouldn't internet with migraine. Aug 10 19:30:53 Anyway - key words are 'or voltage' Aug 10 19:31:44 enabling voltage and current values to be negotiated over the USB power pins - my bad Aug 10 19:32:08 Read a different article earlier that didn't mention that Aug 10 19:32:18 Only mentioned raising the current Aug 10 19:33:55 I also thought this was ##electronics Aug 10 19:34:12 Which would have been a ratehr sillier comment there. Aug 10 19:34:52 I've also been randing about that they should do this for at least 8 years now. :) Aug 10 19:35:44 SpeedEvil, get the silly N950 behaving yet? Aug 10 19:43:26 GAN900: For some barking mad reason, it wouldn't flash on 2.6.33 properly. Aug 10 19:43:50 I compiled a fresh 3 (for laptop, not phone) and it worke. Aug 10 19:44:07 I'm now setting up a logging proxy for its first connection to the internet Aug 10 19:44:39 hello, anyone here? Aug 10 19:44:53 pong Aug 10 19:45:55 I have a question about nitdroid Aug 10 19:46:35 hello Aug 10 19:46:50 im having problems regarding my phone updates Aug 10 19:47:02 can anyone help me please Aug 10 19:47:03 if you have an microsd card, does it auto install on it and doesn't partition the main memory so when you take it out its as it was before the install? Aug 10 19:47:23 hello crysis , Aug 10 19:47:37 hi, I guess we both need help :) Aug 10 19:47:50 :) Aug 10 19:48:02 whats wrong with your updates? Aug 10 19:48:27 the thing is it,,,whenever i m trying to install new applications Aug 10 19:48:31 it says an error Aug 10 19:48:53 so i doubt it must be a software update of my version Aug 10 19:49:00 is that so , crysis ? Aug 10 19:49:33 is this with every app or only a specific one? Aug 10 19:50:02 i would say a proportion of 5 out of 10 apps i m trying to download Aug 10 19:50:39 do you have the extra repository enabled? Aug 10 19:50:59 sorry , what's that ? Aug 10 19:51:38 and i never knew to take advantage of x - terminal too Aug 10 19:51:59 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel Aug 10 19:52:01 so you can treat me a lik a kid with N900 Aug 10 19:52:59 so , should i download this app or firmware update ? Aug 10 19:53:08 lol im not an expert myself, don't know how much help I can be, I wish someone else spoke up :) Aug 10 19:53:14 no Aug 10 19:53:17 crysis: i'm sure someone can help u with Nitdroid, but see /topic as well Aug 10 19:53:32 which topic? Aug 10 19:53:34 Sujith: what error do you get? Aug 10 19:53:53 i am getting errors like Aug 10 19:54:03 some catalogues couldnt be installed Aug 10 19:54:07 topic for this channel crysis Aug 10 19:54:27 so , does it mean should i update my maemo version Aug 10 19:55:25 Sicelo ? Aug 10 19:56:35 is ther anyone who could help me ? any experts on maemo 5 Aug 10 19:57:12 check the log i Apllication manager Aug 10 19:57:35 /s/g i/g in/ Aug 10 19:57:40 lol I'm such a noob, where are these topics and how can I access them? Aug 10 19:58:20 then paste it somewhere so we can see what's happening Sujith Aug 10 19:58:48 yea Sicelo , i found the log on my phone Aug 10 19:59:01 crysis: in part, topic says : PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash Aug 10 19:59:03 for application manager Aug 10 19:59:06 rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Aug 10 19:59:23 i'm not saying someone can't help u Aug 10 20:00:42 Should i say those application log Aug 10 20:02:03 yes Sujith . but not here because it may be too long Aug 10 20:02:18 use a Pastebin on internet Aug 10 20:02:52 is that the only way , Sicelo or can we find a another way to sort this issue off Aug 10 20:03:54 can you give me the latest maemo version recently updated Aug 10 20:04:04 i'm noob myself Aug 10 20:04:06 so that i can check with mine Aug 10 20:04:13 pr 1.3 Aug 10 20:04:26 thats the newest update if I'm not mistaken Aug 10 20:04:49 mine is 10.2010.19-1.003 Aug 10 20:05:03 i checked it unnder about product from seetings Aug 10 20:05:13 can you check urs as well , crysis Aug 10 20:05:20 20.2010.36-2 Aug 10 20:05:24 flash Aug 10 20:05:52 Sicelo , so should i update my maemo ? Aug 10 20:05:58 ~flashing Aug 10 20:05:58 [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 10 20:06:10 yes, update Sujith Aug 10 20:06:20 I have 20.2010.36-2 Aug 10 20:06:45 so thats my problem i think Aug 10 20:07:08 is that the only way to flash it ,,following those instructions Aug 10 20:07:32 yes. the page gives u 3 options iirc Aug 10 20:07:58 sicelo do you have nitdroid installed? Aug 10 20:08:00 OTA update, using Nokia PC Softeare, or flashing Aug 10 20:08:20 no crysis. and never will. sorry Aug 10 20:08:56 why is not good? Aug 10 20:09:27 *it Aug 10 20:10:18 Sujith: if u decide to flash, please read the whole page careful before starting Aug 10 20:10:43 yes sicelo , i am going to try with Nokia PC suite Aug 10 20:11:03 thanks a lot for ur help..will let you know once i am done,,,or stuck somehwere Aug 10 20:11:23 crysis: from what i can make out, problem is Multiboot more than Nitdroid itself Aug 10 20:16:34 so many ppl on and so little talk going on *sigh Aug 10 20:17:28 they all volunteer their time crysis. no one is paid. please be patient Aug 10 20:17:53 by the way, what is the question u have? Aug 10 20:22:06 i not complaining, I just thought there would be more activity here, now theres no one to spy on :) Aug 10 20:22:57 oh my q, is the nitdroid install on the sd card or do you have to partition you main memory Aug 10 20:23:41 there should be documents about that Aug 10 20:23:47 and yes, it can be installed to the sd card Aug 10 20:24:31 but the multiboot utility in installed on maemo right? Aug 10 20:24:48 more or less correct Aug 10 20:25:13 can it be installed like a normal app without nitdroid? Aug 10 20:25:58 well it is not a normal app, it actually is in the pre boot environment and tbh, I don't know so much about multiboot or nitroid. Aug 10 20:26:37 iirc multiboot can be installed alone Aug 10 20:26:49 what u want to do with it? Aug 10 20:26:53 yes it can. Aug 10 20:27:09 sicelo,, Aug 10 20:27:17 my software update has been done Aug 10 20:27:23 and i am in the same version as u guys Aug 10 20:27:32 :D Aug 10 20:28:38 \0/ Sujith Aug 10 20:32:26 Sicelo Aug 10 20:32:34 can you suggest me some ways Aug 10 20:32:40 how to keep the N900 run faster Aug 10 20:33:07 coz i find mine slower especially when i am connected to the mobile web Aug 10 20:33:39 :/ Aug 10 20:34:36 there was discussion earlier about speed-improving scripts. i haven't used any of them Aug 10 20:34:55 i'm happy with the speed of my N900 Aug 10 20:35:00 ooh i missed it :( Aug 10 20:35:02 * SpeedEvil wants a speed-improving script. Aug 10 20:35:21 I want an evil-improving script. Aug 10 20:35:39 the thing is that i am little worried about that installing more and more apps and themes and stuffs like that make the N900 go slower in performance Aug 10 20:36:37 derf: it is called EMACS Aug 10 20:36:54 any sign of a replacement for N900 yet? Aug 10 20:36:56 I got rid of all the useless stuff I could find...transition effects and swappolube have the most visible impact Aug 10 20:37:49 RST38h: Okay, then I changed my mind. You can keep it. Aug 10 20:43:07 Can you suggest some really useful apps that should be must installed on N900 Aug 10 20:43:42 for an example, Do you suggest a browser like opera or firefox in addition to the default one present in N900 Aug 10 20:46:38 I have firefox installed but never really use it, the default is excelent Aug 10 20:47:42 oh thanks a lot crysis , since my device has been updated,,i am looking for the best apps Aug 10 20:48:42 The default is just a variant of Firefox 3.5. Aug 10 20:48:44 Sujith: the default browser is IMO superior the anything else available, but for example maep is a must have in addition to the nokia maps, also fbreader but then you need a ebook-reader or not Aug 10 20:49:00 I +1 previous comments... Aug 10 20:49:08 the default browser is indeed very good Aug 10 20:50:39 Sujith, just a tip, if you want a navigation app, modRana (in devel repos I think) is a pretty good one, maep is also handy Aug 10 20:55:17 thanks a lot joga and Trewas Aug 10 20:55:25 i just installed Opera,,, Aug 10 20:55:48 and will also need modRana often,,,i always forget routes Aug 10 22:15:31 People need to learn to clear the traffic lanes after a fender bender. Aug 10 22:18:24 no, they should learn to keep crashing between themselves Aug 10 22:18:48 so that there's less traffic at the next toll booth. Aug 10 22:32:00 BRB - looting. Aug 10 22:33:47 lol Aug 10 22:34:01 SpeedEvil, has it spread so far north? Aug 10 22:41:42 Not really. Aug 10 22:42:36 all nice and quiet here, same as every night \o/ Aug 10 22:42:51 javispedro: hmm. As an experiment - I suppose that actually my device is now in a state where if everything was to horribly object to it not working properly, I'd know. Aug 10 22:43:20 Phone, SMS seems to work. Aug 10 22:44:04 good observation, but I wouldn't put my finger on that. Aug 10 22:44:19 True Aug 10 22:45:45 Can't even get GPS to work for phototags Aug 10 22:59:48 omaemo.org Aug 10 23:01:18 I seriously hope that's not pr0n.. Aug 11 02:01:26 hello Aug 11 02:11:43 peace brothers and sisters **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 11 02:59:56 2011