**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 12 02:59:59 2011
Aug 12 06:29:45 <gotten1> lo all
Aug 12 06:36:01 <gotten1> is it any stable ver of android for n900 atm?
Aug 12 06:36:26 <gotten1> i mean, version that works evrything,ive heard that are some pbolems with battery status, wifi,..
Aug 12 06:36:43 <TimmyT> no
Aug 12 06:37:21 <TimmyT> more information: #nitdroid
Aug 12 06:41:11 <gotten1> noone is alive :D
Aug 12 06:41:27 <gotten1> i dont know, but my n900 mameo is slow
Aug 12 06:42:05 <TimmyT> as far as i know nitdroid is slower
Aug 12 06:42:23 <TimmyT> probably you have installed lots of applications and services
Aug 12 06:42:50 <TimmyT> try to remove unnecessary services
Aug 12 06:43:18 <gotten1> i have only ecoach, wifi switcher and 3 others
Aug 12 06:43:26 <gotten1> but dont tell me thats because of that :)
Aug 12 06:43:52 <TimmyT> reflash it once
Aug 12 06:44:27 <TimmyT> are you familiar with linux?
Aug 12 06:46:00 <gotten1> yeah
Aug 12 06:46:50 <TimmyT> open a terminal and watch cpu status when its idle,
Aug 12 06:47:25 <gotten1> ive got corky instaled
Aug 12 06:47:28 <TimmyT> like not when media player is playing or any other application is open
Aug 12 06:47:35 <gotten1> its 6%
Aug 12 06:47:42 <gotten1> well between 5/10%
Aug 12 06:47:47 <gotten1> at themomemnt
Aug 12 06:47:49 <TimmyT> its ok
Aug 12 06:48:47 <gotten1> it kinda bothers me when u connect to internet and if u have mail for exchange(push mail)
Aug 12 06:49:01 <gotten1> it kinda freezes ur phone
Aug 12 06:49:05 <gotten1> while syncing
Aug 12 06:49:17 <gotten1> u dont see that at andorid or iphone
Aug 12 06:49:30 <gotten1> or when u turn off wifi, u have to wait for 2sec
Aug 12 06:49:42 <gotten1> then that yellow bar appears that wifi was turned off
Aug 12 06:49:54 <TimmyT> i'd same problem on mine, just reflashed it once and its ok now
Aug 12 06:50:05 <TimmyT> isn't this because of your theme
Aug 12 06:50:06 <TimmyT> ?
Aug 12 06:50:20 <TimmyT> did you try to change that and test it again?
Aug 12 06:50:32 <TimmyT> that may be a little heavy
Aug 12 06:51:01 <gotten1> i have default theme
Aug 12 06:51:04 <gotten1> no bacground
Aug 12 06:51:07 <gotten1> background
Aug 12 06:52:49 <TimmyT> dunnu anymore, you can call for nokia services and ask them about this issue, or ask your question in the forum of the maemo
Aug 12 06:53:17 <gotten1> well thats why i was wondergin to swith to nitdroid
Aug 12 06:53:26 <TimmyT> or if you like risking you may install power kernel and enable over clock 
Aug 12 06:53:30 <gotten1> but if u are telling me thats slower..
Aug 12 06:54:00 <TimmyT> nitdroid is slower while it enables over clocking
Aug 12 06:55:23 <TimmyT> if you think this slowness is kinda weird or unusual, probably you may want to call for nokia services
Aug 12 06:57:13 <TimmyT> gotten1: also you may visit nokia care in your area, they may help you
Aug 12 06:58:21 <gotten1> well they will dont have any ideas
Aug 12 06:58:28 <gotten1> because im already call them
Aug 12 07:02:00 <TimmyT> dunnu anymore, you may wait here or ask your question here: http://talk.maemo.org/
Aug 12 07:07:58 * ShadowJK yawns
Aug 12 07:33:24 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/12/google_customer_notification_patent/ <-- hmm
Aug 12 07:33:58 * SpeedEvil adds to the 'people to be set on fire' list.
Aug 12 08:03:25 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: not much left not on the list hmm
Aug 12 08:04:16 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: btw have you got one of the spare 950s?
Aug 12 08:08:58 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: I wouldn't call it spare.
Aug 12 08:09:13 * SpeedEvil is currently poking around it.
Aug 12 08:17:50 <Pali> MohammadAG: ping
Aug 12 08:36:14 <edheldil> Hi, I have a problem with  PySide and stacked window. It contains some QToolButtons with icons. I hide the window, display some other stacked window and then show the first window again with different icons on buttons. But the rightmost button is only partially redrawn, it still contains part of the previous icon on its right side. Here is the screenshot, the bird is the previous content, the new content is the thin red-white str
Aug 12 08:36:14 <edheldil> ip: http://www.eowyn.cz/redraw.png
Aug 12 09:22:01 <lupine_85> mwahahahahahaaaaaa, Nokia are now looking for an N900 for me
Aug 12 09:22:39 <lupine_85> be firm, don't accept an E7 as a replacement
Aug 12 09:22:44 <lupine_85> *definitely* don't accept an N8
Aug 12 09:54:04 <Guest56024> Hi I have a quick question about the CSSU, can anybody help me?
Aug 12 09:54:33 <robbiethe1st> No?
Aug 12 09:55:03 <Guest56024> lol, will installing it make me loose the apps/files on my n900?
Aug 12 09:55:15 <robbiethe1st> no
Aug 12 09:55:34 <Guest56024> sweet, anything else I should look out for?
Aug 12 09:58:00 <robbiethe1st> Uh.... <shameless plug> Install backupmenu, make a backup just in case? </shameless plug>
Aug 12 09:59:12 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: I meant one of the 50 additionals... but ok, so you got one
Aug 12 09:59:24 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: opinion?
Aug 12 10:00:01 <Guest56024> thanks robbie i will install backupmenu now
Aug 12 10:00:03 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: what does the contract with nokia inlcude?
Aug 12 10:00:45 <Guest56024> oh, would the CSSU effect my existing nitdroid instilation?
Aug 12 10:01:16 <robbiethe1st> Probably not
Aug 12 10:01:21 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: don't be nasty to nokia, if you lose it, you fork over 500e
Aug 12 10:02:09 <ErwinJunge> "Don't be nasty to Nokia"? Does that include Elop? ;)
Aug 12 10:02:48 <SpeedEvil> More accurately - don't complain about bugs in this pre-release device
Aug 12 10:03:36 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: so you loose it you have to pay for it? sounds fair!
Aug 12 10:04:14 <ErwinJunge> Will you have to return it after a set amount of time?
Aug 12 10:04:15 <chem|st> and "don't complain about this early release" is also acceptable isn't it
Aug 12 10:04:16 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: i'll buy it for 501eur from you
Aug 12 10:04:32 <chem|st> jacekowski: get in the queue!
Aug 12 10:05:00 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: i'll pay you more than chem|st is offering
Aug 12 10:05:04 <chem|st> it is so stupid to not release both n9 and 950...
Aug 12 10:05:28 <SpeedEvil> xkcd -  the truth about app stores.
Aug 12 10:05:32 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: 1 grant! so you can sell it to jacekowski for 1 grant +1
Aug 12 10:05:33 <robbiethe1st> So, erm... I have to ask. When I get my N950, can I post videos of it on youtube, or is that against the NDA I evidently signed?
Aug 12 10:05:51 <chem|st> robbiethe1st: read the nda!
Aug 12 10:06:00 <SpeedEvil> robbiethe1st: No, as long as you're not nasty about it
Aug 12 10:06:02 <robbiethe1st> I don't have it handy, and can't find it anymore
Aug 12 10:06:04 <ErwinJunge> Wait, you signed something without reading it?
Aug 12 10:06:16 <robbiethe1st> I read it weeks ago, back with the first group
Aug 12 10:06:22 <robbiethe1st> and it may not have even been the right nda
Aug 12 10:06:26 <chem|st> ErwinJunge: common... ask iphone users about it...
Aug 12 10:06:40 <ErwinJunge> chem|st: About what?
Aug 12 10:06:57 <chem|st> ErwinJunge: about signing something without reading
Aug 12 10:07:32 <ErwinJunge> There I wouldn't be surprised. Here, I am :)
Aug 12 10:07:49 <ErwinJunge> Do you guys have to return it after some fixed amount of time btw?
Aug 12 10:07:57 <chem|st> if someone got a spare iX device I will build a bomb or cruise missile with it... just because of the license agreement...
Aug 12 10:08:08 <ErwinJunge> Or some sort of "when Nokia asks for it" clause?
Aug 12 10:11:00 <robbiethe1st> Do realise I may not have signed that NDA yet...
Aug 12 10:11:06 <robbiethe1st> So I couldn't have read it
Aug 12 10:17:45 <ErwinJunge> SpeedEvil: Really interested in this --> Will you have to return the device at some specified time?
Aug 12 10:19:09 <SpeedEvil> It was not made clear in the NDA from what I recall
Aug 12 10:20:35 <ErwinJunge> Then how does the "500e if you lose it" thing work?
Aug 12 10:26:13 <Venemo> robbiethe1st, the NDA prohibits you from publicizing any deficiencies that are because of the prerelease nature of the hw/sw
Aug 12 10:26:44 <Venemo> robbiethe1st, exception is the information that is already public at the time you publicize it
Aug 12 10:27:33 <robbiethe1st> So, basically you can make videos, just not of anything bad.
Aug 12 10:29:30 <psycho_oreos> they must surely hate critics, its probably all in the best interest to get people's attention focused on N9 despite N950 will forever remain developer's device
Aug 12 10:31:14 <psycho_oreos> bottom line is, both N950 and N9 is crippled in their own ways. Apart from hardware/software defecits, N950 is a developer's only device, N9 won't be for sale in the US and UK (funnily enough)
Aug 12 10:44:13 <psycho_oreos> lcuk, ping
Aug 12 10:52:29 <peterbjornx> how much will the N9 cost
Aug 12 10:53:00 <psycho_oreos> depends on how big of internal memory you want to buy
Aug 12 10:53:11 <peterbjornx> 16 gig
Aug 12 10:53:21 <peterbjornx> or 32 if thats possible
Aug 12 10:53:42 <peterbjornx> wait
Aug 12 10:53:49 <peterbjornx> it aint coming to holland either
Aug 12 10:53:53 <psycho_oreos> well 64GB afaik is the maximum, that was rumoured to be somewhere around $1000 mark
Aug 12 10:53:56 <peterbjornx> where the hell will it be sold
Aug 12 10:54:54 <psycho_oreos> I've asked my cellular network provider here in .au and they say N9 will be available next month. So I'm assuming .au is one of them
Aug 12 10:54:57 <jacekowski> pff
Aug 12 10:55:04 <jacekowski> nobody will buy $1000 phone
Aug 12 10:55:10 <jacekowski> more like $500 for 64G version
Aug 12 10:55:41 <psycho_oreos> though gsmarena did post news on N9 won't be available in either US or UK. I'm surprised .nl is on that list as well
Aug 12 10:56:23 <peterbjornx> well, i just hope some other company will start building phones running a real linux distro (not some linux based OS like android)
Aug 12 10:56:25 <psycho_oreos> *shrugs* someone posted some site awhile ago (I think it was some British electronics mob) and their preorder price for 64GB was something like $999 but.. only time will tell :)
Aug 12 10:56:44 <jacekowski> even iphone doesn't cost that much
Aug 12 10:56:58 <psycho_oreos> there is openmoko fyi peterbjornx :)
Aug 12 10:57:02 <hiemanshu> well it will be out in India, thats for sure
Aug 12 10:57:52 <psycho_oreos> jacekowski, I'm sure its Nokia's intent to mock Meego openly, seeing who would be desperate to get the last of supposedly Nokia Meego device before Mango comes out or that `Sea Ray'
Aug 12 10:58:18 <jacekowski> Mango?
Aug 12 10:58:20 <jacekowski> sea ray?
Aug 12 10:58:22 <jacekowski> wtf?
Aug 12 10:58:25 <peterbjornx> will it be sold in germany
Aug 12 10:58:35 <peterbjornx> mango == wp7sp1 iirc
Aug 12 10:58:56 <psycho_oreos> Mango = WP7 code name. Sea Ray was supposedly rumoured to be Nokia's next device using the same hardware shell as N9 but running WP7
Aug 12 10:58:59 <robbiethe1st> i.e. WP7 RC1
Aug 12 10:59:10 <robbiethe1st> Maby by RC3 it'll be usable
Aug 12 10:59:12 <peterbjornx> but
Aug 12 10:59:25 <peterbjornx> does anyone have a list on where the n9 will be sold
Aug 12 11:00:02 <ThreeM> nokia do all to make the n9 less succssesful
Aug 12 11:00:15 <jacekowski> who would buy n9 in uk
Aug 12 11:00:22 <jacekowski> country that's dominated by iphone
Aug 12 11:00:37 <jacekowski> they would have to keep price lower and go for markets where iphone isn't so popular 
Aug 12 11:00:41 <ThreeM> looks loke: "oh shit, we have an asskicking device but a deal with ms, so lets kill the N9 befor it grows"
Aug 12 11:00:42 <peterbjornx> why does the n900 still have rc*.d if it uses upstart
Aug 12 11:01:05 <hiemanshu> compatibility?
Aug 12 11:01:09 <jacekowski> ThreeM: N9 is not ass  kicking device
Aug 12 11:01:10 <peterbjornx> why would they not sell it in holland, country thats dominated by HTC and BB
Aug 12 11:01:25 <ThreeM> jacekowski but it looks good to me
Aug 12 11:01:50 <peterbjornx> i'd buy it just cos it runs meego
Aug 12 11:01:52 <hiemanshu> India is mostly all Nokia, now HTC and BB are coming up here
Aug 12 11:02:09 <peterbjornx> but, cant we just wait for another good OMAP phone and port meego to it?
Aug 12 11:02:22 <jacekowski> peterbjornx: time and effort 
Aug 12 11:02:24 <jacekowski> peterbjornx: and NDAs
Aug 12 11:02:36 <peterbjornx> why NDA's
Aug 12 11:02:37 <peterbjornx> i mean
Aug 12 11:02:40 <ThreeM> all i want is an upgrade to N900. only mote pysikal ra mand a modern cpu... the rest is just perfekt ;)
Aug 12 11:03:08 <jacekowski> peterbjornx: you can port meego to any android phone
Aug 12 11:03:09 <peterbjornx> cant we wait until some phone based on a good TI OMAP SoC gets released
Aug 12 11:03:19 <jacekowski> peterbjornx: if you spend enough time
Aug 12 11:03:28 <peterbjornx> i know, but from what i understand itll be slow because of no GL drivers
Aug 12 11:05:57 <psycho_oreos> robbiethe1st, ping
Aug 12 11:06:08 <robbiethe1st> pong
Aug 12 11:06:30 <psycho_oreos> lol looks like USB console: /dev/ttyACM0 is no dice with stock kernel as well
Aug 12 11:07:10 <peterbjornx> ?
Aug 12 11:08:43 <psycho_oreos> wait.. that's weird.. If one selects USB Console first before Connecting to USB network, USB console won't work. However if one Connects to USB network prior to starting USB console it works
Aug 12 11:09:02 <peterbjornx> what debian release is most compatible with maemo5
Aug 12 11:11:17 <psycho_oreos> lol, /bin/bash not found with USB console. After attempting to kill screen and retrying, it goes back to empty terminal (square one with incorrect sequence of starting USB console). So one has to disconnect all and repeat the steps above
Aug 12 11:14:56 <peterbjornx> usb console?
Aug 12 11:15:09 <psycho_oreos> peterbjornx, I'm playing with BackupMenu by robbiethe1st fyi :)
Aug 12 11:15:33 <peterbjornx> o ok
Aug 12 11:15:47 <peterbjornx> i had a little inconvenience with the preinit last night
Aug 12 11:16:15 <psycho_oreos> I think most people tend to work with /event.d rather than rc scripts imo
Aug 12 11:16:23 <psycho_oreos> err /etc/event.d
Aug 12 11:16:29 <peterbjornx> i screwed it up and i built a framebuffer console kernel using my secondary preinit but i couldnt fix it cause of the broken keymap
Aug 12 11:16:53 <peterbjornx> couldnt enter cp preinit_orig preinit
Aug 12 11:16:55 <peterbjornx> cas
Aug 12 11:16:58 <peterbjornx> *Cos
Aug 12 11:17:07 <peterbjornx> i couldnt enter any symbols
Aug 12 11:17:20 <NIN101> peterbjornx: I told you everything yesterday about that :P
Aug 12 11:17:20 <peterbjornx> so in the end i still had to reflash
Aug 12 11:17:55 <peterbjornx> i was probably asleep then
Aug 12 11:17:57 <peterbjornx> but
Aug 12 11:18:11 <peterbjornx> i couldnt have done that either, i had no way of writing to the devices storage
Aug 12 11:18:12 <NIN101> yeah probably
Aug 12 11:18:15 <peterbjornx> from pc
Aug 12 11:19:25 <RST38h> A patent filed by Jeff Bezos and Amazon VP Greg Heart suggests using a phone's accelerometer to detect when it is falling, and deploying tiny airbags to cushion the impact.
Aug 12 11:19:42 <psycho_oreos> The way maemo 5 is designed, imo it is very limiting without Xorg even up. I think lots of things gets initialised somewhere in between Xorg loading and Xorg loaded
Aug 12 11:20:24 <psycho_oreos> and a good way to stop games like n900fly :p
Aug 12 11:21:49 <kirma> an ultrasonic speaker and microphone should also be used to measure distance to the surface and hardness of it
Aug 12 11:21:58 <psycho_oreos> actually it would stop a fair few other things as well with that rather un-innovative patent. Angry owners who slams their phone after heated conversation would be another prime case
Aug 12 11:22:40 <RST38h> the phone will get delected and hit them on the head instead
Aug 12 11:22:44 <kirma> I wouldn't see such a microcontroller-driven system that hard to implement
Aug 12 11:22:46 <RST38h> deflected
Aug 12 11:23:03 <psycho_oreos> no level of hardness can be guaranteed safe from obliterating the device if enough G force was exerted.. e.g. dropping the device from the roof of a high rise or slamming the device really really hard onto the ground below
Aug 12 11:23:14 <kirma> well, accelerometer in addition to ultrasonic radar of course
Aug 12 11:23:40 <kirma> slamming the phone really really hard on a pillow!
Aug 12 11:23:59 <psycho_oreos> no like onto a solid table or even ground.
Aug 12 11:24:42 <kirma> well, if the radar response is weak, it's more likely than not that the surface is soft
Aug 12 11:24:47 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/12/amazon_patent_jets/
Aug 12 11:25:07 <psycho_oreos> and that reminds me of a case where the girlfriend of a couple killed her partner with an ipod by smacking his head round with ipod. Her partner later died of internal bleeding, maybe this patent might save his life if it came in early :p not
Aug 12 11:25:11 <kirma> both distance and reflection strength can be measured
Aug 12 11:26:20 <psycho_oreos> all as well adds extra weight/price/power consumption to the device
Aug 12 11:26:59 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/12/ms_mango/ <-- haha
Aug 12 11:27:23 <kirma> well, the power consumption part is pretty feeble, both for required detection components as well as control logic
Aug 12 11:27:41 <kirma> actual physical implementation of "airbags" or whatever is the most problematic part
Aug 12 11:28:46 <kirma> running a 10 Hz detect-drop accelerometer as first trigger is easy, and the radar part would also be quite feasible with what phones commonly have nowadays
Aug 12 11:29:06 <psycho_oreos> I'm going to continue sounding like a skeptic, smartphones these days couldn't match their predecessors in terms of power saving. People these days use their smartphones from anything to everything, and with the power being chewed out like hell. It'll be a wonder if this little miracle `life-saver' even work when needed
Aug 12 11:30:04 <kirma> the other option is obviously to build more robust phone mechanics...
Aug 12 11:30:22 <kirma> some morons build the phones out of glass in attempt to make replacement likely occurence
Aug 12 11:30:44 <psycho_oreos> that's fashion for you :)
Aug 12 11:30:55 <kirma> great design statement that one has to carry the phone in some sort of protective shield all the time
Aug 12 11:31:09 <jacekowski> kirma: you don't
Aug 12 11:31:18 <jacekowski> some people do
Aug 12 11:31:23 <psycho_oreos> `oh, you have plastic phone, you're so cheap/outdated. Look at mah glass phone.' -_-
Aug 12 11:31:28 <kirma> I've seen too many iphones with shattered back glass
Aug 12 11:33:11 <psycho_oreos> ruskie, I wonder what sort of special features with Nokia's new WP7 devices as they've been bragging about a few weeks after sealing the deal with microsoft. Then again I really don't give a damn about Nokia, Flop obviously couldn't forsee his shortcomings on Ballmer's ulterior motives
Aug 12 11:35:21 <psycho_oreos> kirma, iphone 4? I recall `The Nokia Blog' had a video of dropping a Nokia phone to a solid ground from a standing height plus maybe a few more metres from ground vs iphone 4. You can easily predict which one is likely to break :)
Aug 12 12:57:31 <ThreeM> can the N900 use 32gb micro sdhc cards?
Aug 12 12:58:38 <psycho_oreos> yes
Aug 12 12:58:47 <MohammadAG> yes
Aug 12 12:59:32 <ThreeM> thx
Aug 12 13:00:35 <psycho_oreos> highly recommend that you have latest firmware on the device prior to inserting that microSDHC card
Aug 12 13:01:17 <peterbjornx> guys, im having problems mounting a n900 rootfs in the sdk
Aug 12 13:01:48 <peterbjornx> i have mounted it without problems, but i cannot access half the files on it
Aug 12 13:07:01 <peterbjornx> maemo@maemo-desktop:~$ ls /mnt/n900
Aug 12 13:07:01 <peterbjornx> ls: cannot access /mnt/n900/bin: Invalid argument
Aug 12 13:07:01 <peterbjornx> ls: cannot access /mnt/n900/dev: Invalid argument
Aug 12 13:07:01 <peterbjornx> ls: cannot access /mnt/n900/etc: Invalid argument
Aug 12 13:07:01 <peterbjornx> ls: cannot access /mnt/n900/mnt: Invalid argument
Aug 12 13:07:01 <peterbjornx> ls: cannot access /mnt/n900/opt: Invalid argument
Aug 12 13:07:01 <peterbjornx> ls: cannot access /mnt/n900/tmp: Invalid argument
Aug 12 13:07:02 <peterbjornx> ls: cannot access /mnt/n900/sys: Invalid argument
Aug 12 13:07:02 <peterbjornx> ls: cannot access /mnt/n900/var: Invalid argument
Aug 12 13:07:03 <peterbjornx> ls: cannot access /mnt/n900/usr: Invalid argument
Aug 12 13:07:03 <peterbjornx> ls: cannot access /mnt/n900/home: Invalid argument
Aug 12 13:07:04 <peterbjornx> ls: cannot access /mnt/n900/proc: Invalid argument
Aug 12 13:07:16 <peterbjornx> *info
Aug 12 13:07:20 <peterbjornx> on how to fix
Aug 12 13:07:23 <RST38h> We have got it, peter
Aug 12 13:07:29 <peterbjornx> ?
Aug 12 13:07:31 <RST38h> You can stop now
Aug 12 13:07:43 <peterbjornx> then answer
Aug 12 13:07:45 <peterbjornx> ...
Aug 12 13:07:49 <RST38h> An I am not sure the local bot understands requests this elaborate
Aug 12 13:08:49 <peterbjornx> ~ubi
Aug 12 13:08:52 <peterbjornx> ~ubifs
Aug 12 13:08:53 <infobot> well, ubifs is http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=403015&postcount=3
Aug 12 13:09:14 <peterbjornx> well i tried THAT and it didnt work 
Aug 12 13:48:17 <edheldil> Anyone has an idea what could cause graphical artifacts with my PySide program on n900/Maemo using stacked windows? The screenshot and some short program showing similar artifacts is here: http://www.eowyn.cz/redraw.png, http://www.eowyn.cz/redraw.py
Aug 12 13:54:32 <massoud> Hi there
Aug 12 13:54:47 <TimmyT> massoud: wat do you want?
Aug 12 13:54:59 <TimmyT> :D
Aug 12 13:55:09 <massoud> do you know if the dbus message on n900 for CallStatus are following the Q/931 standard ?
Aug 12 13:55:50 <massoud> like : [SIGNAL] com.nokia.csd.Call.Instance.CallStatus  /com/nokia/csd/call/1  :1.21
Aug 12 13:55:53 <massoud> ( 10, 3, 16 )
Aug 12 13:56:09 <massoud> when call hangs-up on the other side 
Aug 12 13:56:16 <TimmyT> i've removed the user, how cam i get a shell access to add a new user?
Aug 12 13:56:17 <TimmyT> :D
Aug 12 13:56:42 <TimmyT> err, how can i
Aug 12 13:56:50 <massoud> does the (10, 3, 16) refers to the CallStatus of Q.931 events table ?
Aug 12 13:57:01 <ErwinJunge> TimmyT: ssh?
Aug 12 13:57:13 <massoud> or is there a proxy state-machine from nokia/maemo for this states ?
Aug 12 13:57:23 <TimmyT> not ssh, cause it even doesn't boot 
Aug 12 13:57:35 <massoud> TimmyT: "sudo gainroot" on terminal ?
Aug 12 13:57:37 <mgedmin> TimmyT, if it doesn't boot, I'm afraid you may have to reflash
Aug 12 13:57:40 <ErwinJunge> reflash
Aug 12 13:58:15 <ErwinJunge> Just out of interest: What prompted you to remove the user? :)
Aug 12 13:58:32 <TimmyT> shit :D  , you mean there is nothing to do to get a root shell access to the phone like single user mode or something?
Aug 12 13:58:59 <massoud> uart interface somewhere on the pcb probably
Aug 12 13:59:11 <TimmyT> ErwinJunge: i was interested to know wat will happen if i remove that
Aug 12 13:59:33 <ErwinJunge> TimmyT: Next time, just ask :)
Aug 12 14:00:07 <TimmyT> doesn't matter, kuz i wanted to do that.
Aug 12 14:02:43 <ErwinJunge> Ok, well good luck on the reflash then :)
Aug 12 14:03:55 <TimmyT> ErwinJunge: it just needs FIACO or VANILLA is needed too?
Aug 12 14:05:00 <Triscar0> is there a app that easy transfer my files over to my linux server at my house ?
Aug 12 14:05:59 <ErwinJunge> rsync
Aug 12 14:05:59 <ruskie> scp?
Aug 12 14:07:01 <ErwinJunge> rsync beats scp, or any other copying tool for that matter, by having resumability, error checking, and compression (maybe scp has the last 2 as well)
Aug 12 14:07:10 <mgedmin> TimmyT, it should be enough to flash the rootfs
Aug 12 14:07:19 <Triscar0> thnx!
Aug 12 14:07:22 <ErwinJunge> All in all, rsync is essentially always the best idea if you want to copy more than 1 file
Aug 12 14:07:25 <ErwinJunge> Even locally
Aug 12 14:07:43 <Triscar0> hmm cant find it ?
Aug 12 14:07:54 <ErwinJunge> Google?
Aug 12 14:08:05 <ErwinJunge> rsync is just a general commandline linux tool
Aug 12 14:08:18 <ErwinJunge> well, *nix to be more exact
Aug 12 14:08:18 <Triscar0> ahh i want for my nokia n900 sry :D
Aug 12 14:08:27 <ErwinJunge> n900 runs linux
Aug 12 14:08:35 <ErwinJunge> Which is what makes it so awesome :)
Aug 12 14:08:51 <Triscar0> hehe yeah i know. but is it hard to manage ?
Aug 12 14:08:55 <ErwinJunge> You can also run it in reverse, so run rsync on the server to get the data from your phone
Aug 12 14:09:16 <ErwinJunge> I recommend you read the docs, but it's not very hard
Aug 12 14:09:16 <psycho_oreos> Triscar0, depends on how familiar you are with working on linux
Aug 12 14:09:23 <mgedmin> scp or sshfs may be simpler
Aug 12 14:09:31 <psycho_oreos> rather nothing is hard when one is patient :)
Aug 12 14:09:37 <Triscar0> not good, i need howto`s on everything i do almost:D
Aug 12 14:09:37 <ErwinJunge> rsync -avz --progress <source> <dest>
Aug 12 14:09:39 <mgedmin> and if the amount of data you're copying is small, there's little advantage of using rsync, imho
Aug 12 14:09:45 <mgedmin> (besides, rsync is complicated)
Aug 12 14:10:11 <ErwinJunge> rsync is not complicated. You can do complicated things with rsync, but for a simple copy, that above line is really all you need.
Aug 12 14:10:11 <Triscar0> an easy app then?:D
Aug 12 14:10:34 <psycho_oreos> there is grsync for instance
Aug 12 14:10:43 <ErwinJunge> It has cool features that let you filter stuff by all kinds of criteria. Those can get complicated. For what Triscar0 is describing, you want rsync.
Aug 12 14:10:54 <mgedmin> Triscar0, do you have openssh-server installed on your n900?
Aug 12 14:11:06 <Triscar0> no not on this new one
Aug 12 14:11:42 <ErwinJunge> Oh, that is kind of a prerequisite for rsync
Aug 12 14:11:51 <psycho_oreos> not really
Aug 12 14:11:59 <psycho_oreos> you can get away with rsyncd
Aug 12 14:12:15 <ErwinJunge> You'd lose all security features. Not good.
Aug 12 14:13:34 <Triscar0> i cant find any ftp apps in when im looking for apps on my n900, feels like im missing some repository
Aug 12 14:13:41 <ErwinJunge> But you want ssh on it anyways
Aug 12 14:13:51 <ErwinJunge> Is extras enabled?
Aug 12 14:13:57 <mgedmin> ftp? who uses ftp in this day an age?
Aug 12 14:14:07 <psycho_oreos> that's a sacrifice one has to bear should they choose to use rsyncd method after weighing up their case. Indeed, security would be bad but then with rsync over ssh isn't that much faster than cp over ssh or even scp imo :)
Aug 12 14:14:28 <psycho_oreos> I still use ftp :)
Aug 12 14:14:33 <Triscar0> maemo extras testing is enabled yes
Aug 12 14:14:42 <ErwinJunge> It's not faster, but safer. Error checking and resumability. Especially for large sets of files, those are essential.
Aug 12 14:17:14 <TimmyT> where are conversations and other application data saved?
Aug 12 14:17:20 <ErwinJunge> Triscar0: Don't know about the ftp thing, but if you want to use that for transferring the files, I still suggest your take a little bit of time to do it in rsync. It really takes only about 5 minutes
Aug 12 14:18:04 <ErwinJunge> Start with the examples. Your simple use is probably in there as well. Then all you need to do is change the paths.
Aug 12 14:18:41 <Triscar0> ok
Aug 12 14:19:30 <Triscar0> can i upload the image folder to my server, and when i have taken some new pictures just upload the folder again and it will not upload files that is allready uploaded ?
Aug 12 14:20:09 <ErwinJunge> Yup
Aug 12 14:20:13 <TimmyT> does anybody hear me? :D
Aug 12 14:20:14 <psycho_oreos> it won't overwrite existing files based on timestamps or checksums 
Aug 12 14:20:18 <ErwinJunge> That's one of the amazing features of rsync
Aug 12 14:20:29 <ErwinJunge> TimmyT: I'm assuming simply noone knows
Aug 12 14:20:44 <mgedmin> TimmyT, somewhere deep under /home/user
Aug 12 14:20:44 <psycho_oreos> TimmyT, coversations are somewhere in /home/user iirc.. other application data could vary alot.. in most cases in /opt
Aug 12 14:21:02 <SpeedEvil> However FAT filesystems may be broken enough in terms of time that rsync based on time doesn't work properly 
Aug 12 14:21:21 <SpeedEvil> so you may have to tell it to ignore time, and do filesyze/sum only
Aug 12 14:23:33 <TimmyT> wat happens if i format /home partition? will reflashing fix it?
Aug 12 14:24:16 <mgedmin> TimmyT, reflashing will fix it, yes
Aug 12 14:24:31 <mgedmin> you may need to reflash the eMMC image this time
Aug 12 14:25:35 <ErwinJunge> TimmyT: You actually did that?
Aug 12 14:26:00 <TimmyT> ErwinJunge: not yet, you said ask before doing anythin crazy like this :p
Aug 12 14:26:25 <ErwinJunge> :) Good. Don't do it. :)
Aug 12 14:26:43 <psycho_oreos>  /opt shares the same partition as /home so yeah you do realise you may have loads of fun (if anything) getting those data back if you want to
Aug 12 14:26:58 <Triscar0> i bought a used n900 online, and installed fmms on it, and the photos was still there! i had a nice wife... NAKED!:D
Aug 12 14:27:03 <ShadowJK> actually there's a rsync parameter to make it work on vfat :)
Aug 12 14:27:03 <ShadowJK> --modify-time-window r something like that
Aug 12 14:27:07 <Triscar0> he*
Aug 12 14:27:18 <TimmyT> im asking this questions, kuz i've reflashed root and installed everything again, but i see that most of applications doesn't behave correctly, so i thought it may because their old data stored somewhere i don't know
Aug 12 14:27:22 <Triscar0> i bought a used n900 online, and installed fmms on it, and the photos was still there! he had a nice wife... NAKED!:D
Aug 12 14:27:27 <TimmyT> i want to find them and remove them
Aug 12 14:28:08 <psycho_oreos> fiasco image won't touch anything in /home/user as well as /home/user/MyDocs iirc
Aug 12 14:28:24 <mgedmin> TimmyT, best reflash both the rootfs and the eMMC, to get into a factory-clean state
Aug 12 14:28:32 <psycho_oreos> and usually personal preferences with each program setting/customisation usually goes in /home/user
Aug 12 14:30:41 <psycho_oreos> Triscar0, lol, my second N900 that I bought (also second hand). At the time prior to purchase (and this was also at the shop that sold the device), both the shop assistant and myself were stumped in trying to figure out why virtual keyboard didn't work. I should have known better that they installed mscim
Aug 12 14:33:44 <psycho_oreos> Triscar0, LOL　actually you know if you dumped the partitions to image files and use file carving tools, you maybe able to recover other things. This also goes along the same thing with my case
Aug 12 15:59:50 <ErwinJunge> How do I check the available GL extensions on the N900? glxinfo complains --> extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
Aug 12 16:03:36 <javispedro> glGetString
Aug 12 16:05:02 <ErwinJunge> Hm... so I have to code a custom app to check the gl extensions?
Aug 12 16:05:06 <ErwinJunge> Let me put this another way
Aug 12 16:05:25 <ErwinJunge> Does it support GL_IMG_texture_compression_pvrtc?
Aug 12 16:06:16 <ErwinJunge> I want to use PVRTC in a game I'm porting, since that appears to be the bottleneck from benchmarking
Aug 12 16:08:30 <MoonTiger> hey guys
Aug 12 16:08:56 <MoonTiger> i'm trying to download the n900 image to reflash but the web page is rejecting my 15 digit imei number
Aug 12 16:09:02 <MoonTiger> what can i do?
Aug 12 16:09:34 <MoonTiger> ok no worries
Aug 12 17:26:00 <peterbjornx> does anyone know how to extract/mount a rootfs image
Aug 12 17:26:19 <peterbjornx> the "guide"on the forum does not work for me
Aug 12 17:26:35 <peterbjornx> it mounts but half the files/folders are inaccessible
Aug 12 17:45:10 <villager> ErwinJunge: here's what my CyborgEye program says: http://pastebin.com/AAk4VkEJ
Aug 12 18:09:54 <OkropNick> is there any software that can put N900 into "online" mode from "flight/offline" mode at certain hour?
Aug 12 18:21:54 <peterbjornx> well
Aug 12 18:22:06 <peterbjornx> ma
Aug 12 18:22:08 <peterbjornx> *nvm
Aug 12 18:22:24 <peterbjornx> finally managed to properly mount the rootfs image !
Aug 12 19:09:47 <thomasvs> anyone know why the browser in sbox is almost impossible to use for https:// ?
Aug 12 19:09:53 <thomasvs> it simply almost never gets to render the page completely
Aug 12 19:10:04 <thomasvs> a real pain if you're trying to implement oauth2 handling...
Aug 12 19:33:33 <ErwinJunge> villager: Thanks :) Care to share the CyborgEye program?
Aug 12 19:39:24 <villager> ErwinJunge: I never got around to actually making it do much useful
Aug 12 19:40:56 <villager> ErwinJunge: well, it can use the camera and take pictures, and turn on the flash... but other apps can probably do those things better
Aug 12 19:44:43 <villager> I was going to try to put in some augmented-reality-style overlays but never got that far
Aug 12 19:45:29 <ErwinJunge> Ow, I thought it was an app to read system internals :)
Aug 12 19:46:33 <villager> nah, I wrote it to see what kind of visual fx I could make
Aug 12 19:47:27 <villager> and I wanted to make a hud like in terminator and robocop
Aug 12 19:47:39 <ErwinJunge> Ok :) Well, I bookmarked the pastebin you made, so I'll have the info afterwards :) Thanks for posting.
Aug 12 20:01:24 <villager> hmm, I should perhaps have checked how many multitexture stages it can do
Aug 12 20:02:07 <villager> oh well
Aug 12 20:11:53 <zash> So, if I seem to have this bug[1], except for GSM/3G, what do I do? 1: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5699
Aug 12 20:11:54 <povbot> 04Bug 5699: WLAN regulatory domain changes to US when no position data available
Aug 12 20:21:29 <zash> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9056 looks closer
Aug 12 20:21:30 <povbot> 04Bug 9056: Telephone Calls (GSM) end abruptly with "connection problem"
Aug 12 20:48:02 <arvut> hi.. my camera-ui gets seg fault on start (operation failed when I open lensecover and seg fault when I type camera-ui.lauch in xterm) I installed fcamera but uninstalled it again and now the cam is like this. should I reflash?
Aug 12 21:08:04 <alwayshigh> Hello
Aug 12 23:41:11 <arvut> I'm high.. on success and now celebrating with weed to get higher =)
Aug 12 23:43:10 <arvut> I fixed my camera problem. fcam drivers were still installed. *wonder if I shall report that as an uninstallation-bug"
Aug 12 23:43:42 <arvut> had to both uninstall Fcamera and fcam-drivers
Aug 12 23:44:08 <arvut> everything should be removed in one instance
Aug 12 23:44:45 <arvut> not 2, or three evwn, as I had to go to web to consult the problem :P
Aug 12 23:47:14 <arvut> well well, time for a night of linux. need to set up: one debian box (I'll post photo later), one of two lowperformance xubuntu/lubuntu systems for daily use.. one fedora 15 install and possibly another ubuntu 11.04 or Mint 11, possibly both.
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