**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 17 02:59:57 2011 Aug 17 03:03:55 http://paste.debian.net/126455/ Aug 17 03:12:59 yea cfdisk seems to see free space http://pastebin.com/vknWeLeM Aug 17 03:34:00 mkfs Aug 17 04:00:25 My eeepc has XP Home (in Spanish - preinstalled, so no chance to change language) and debian squeeze installed from downloaded debian-6.0.1a-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso as dual-boot. I run XP on my eeepc and can plug in my N900 and connect to internet by using OVI and Dtac 2.5gprs. I want to get debian working online through the n900 in a similar way, but I need debian to be online to get it to work, but i can't get there. I only have gprs2.5 on my Nokia n Aug 17 04:01:09 any and all suggestions most welcome :) Aug 17 04:02:24 jpinx: since its a laptop I am using it has wifi, so you can use mobilehotspot that uses your phone as an AP Aug 17 04:03:42 hiemanshu: sounds good -- is it something i can get from the usual repos for the n900? Aug 17 04:04:05 jpinx: I think its in extra-devel or the normal repo not sure, but yeah, usual repos Aug 17 04:04:23 hiemanshu: thanks :) Aug 17 04:05:13 as a matter of interest, why does the n900 not show the gprs connected icon when I connect from the OVI suite in XP ? Aug 17 04:10:48 : checking for updates is so slow over gprs :( Aug 17 05:00:25 hiemanshu: cn't find mobilehotspot in extras-devel -- any clues? Aug 17 05:11:30 Argh! needs custom kernel -- I can not risk that :( Aug 17 05:12:03 o.O Aug 17 05:21:37 DocScrutinizer: I am much too far from support - up country in laos at the moment Aug 17 05:22:16 hmm, so you can't flash ? Aug 17 05:42:44 DocScrutinizer: I rely on the n900 100% -- I daren't risk it Aug 17 05:43:16 though I might have found a n900 with cracked screen that I can buy cheap to experiment with ;) Aug 17 05:56:44 jpinx_away: tried bluetooth tethering? Aug 17 05:59:02 jpinx: while it's obviously up to you to do the risk evaluation and management, I have to say I fail to see the difference between a reflash to fix a (by whatever unknown reason) messed up system caused by powerkernel and a messed up system caused by arbitrary app pkg installation introducing a broken initscript, faulty sudoers entry, or whatever else. In both cases you should be fine with a laptop, a fiasco firmware image, and a proper Aug 17 05:59:03 backup of your data on device Aug 17 06:00:27 I never heard of any package that required user to visit a support center to recover the device Aug 17 06:01:44 in this regard powerkernel is no different to puzzlemaster or arbitrary fart-apps Aug 17 06:02:47 and in fact powerkernel has been used by so many users, it could be considered one of the best tested packages available for N900 Aug 17 06:07:36 regardless of the previous rationale I'd also suggest to go for BT tethering, as hotspot is a way more daunting application regarding possible adverse side effects than power kernel, and I wouldn't use it for tethering of just one single PC, that's overkill Aug 17 06:08:45 also WLAN in "hotspot mode" is a serious power hog Aug 17 06:10:54 so unless it's for tethering over distances >5m or for tethering a whole bunch of PCs, I'd no doubt go for BT Aug 17 06:42:40 So... Aug 17 06:43:04 Now, I, too have been hit with the infamous usb port problem Aug 17 06:43:54 :( Aug 17 06:44:41 hw rev 2101? Aug 17 06:45:19 Yes Aug 17 06:45:26 quickly, to warranty! Aug 17 06:45:42 XD bwahahahahaha Aug 17 06:45:51 Funniest thing I've seen all day. Aug 17 06:46:02 non-EU? Aug 17 06:46:07 Yea Aug 17 06:46:21 And, I've voided it 6 ways from sunday already, so... Aug 17 06:46:25 hrm. you should really lobby your government for some consumer rights Aug 17 06:46:28 looks like one more added to the tally of growing 2101 USB woes. Aug 17 06:46:53 lupine_85: You assume that we have any power at all over our government. Aug 17 06:47:10 hmm if yer warranty is void, and if you're handy with soldering iron. I wonder if you could get away with soldering another USB port from those solder pads underneath the battery area Aug 17 06:47:10 (over here, you can't invalidate the whole of the warranty just by doing weird stuff to it. if the weird stuff can't have caused the fault, they can't refuse to fix it under warranty) Aug 17 06:48:03 robbiethe1st, democracy in the US (I'm assuming US and not Belarus :p) is a bit broken, aye Aug 17 06:48:11 still. [OT], etc Aug 17 06:48:18 Fortunately, looks like the port came out cleanly; looks like it didn't break any of the 5 usb connection pads; though one of the mounting pad bits looks like it has a bit of board on it Aug 17 06:49:51 I should be able to go in, heat up the port, clean it off, put a new layer of solder down, and then carefully place it on top of the pads and heat up each pin individually. Aug 17 06:49:59 it'll still be quite a bit of a chore, though... Aug 17 06:52:20 * lupine_85 is treating his like a freshly-whelped pup Aug 17 06:53:33 Eh, it has to do with wiggling side-to-side when removing your usb cable Aug 17 06:53:49 I do agree now that filing down the little 'clamp' bits on your cable's a good idea Aug 17 06:54:18 Note that I dropped my N900 many times onto it's cable, no issues. Within a week of a new, tight cable... this happened Aug 17 06:56:05 I have to say... the N900's been one *robust* machine. I've dropped it 4' many many times with barely a scratch; occasionally the back cover will come off, though. Aug 17 06:57:26 robbiethe1st: Great ( that it's clean) Aug 17 06:58:05 Yea Aug 17 06:58:31 Repairing if it's not gets a bunch harder. Aug 17 07:00:20 BRB - new kernel time. Aug 17 07:05:57 ~usbfix Aug 17 07:05:58 Fixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<< Aug 17 07:07:23 indeed - that's a much more sane rework Aug 17 07:10:31 seriously though, I wonder if the solder pads on the bottom side of that PCB board for USB port be used as regular USB port? Aug 17 07:11:33 I mean lets say in a really really nasty case that the USB port didn't come off cleanly or the person whom tried to fix it did a very poor job of resoldering which screwed up the main microUSB port, would have a second chance with those solder pads on the bottom? Aug 17 07:12:16 So basically, soldering down the USB port at both sides should keep it in place? Aug 17 07:14:58 yes Aug 17 07:15:19 I think I'll do that even though I don't think I have any problems yet Aug 17 07:15:19 that was to Shapeshifter Aug 17 07:15:43 psycho_oreos: REally a bad iea - they have no ESD protection, and are likely to fail in quite short order ue to static Aug 17 07:19:54 SpeedEvil, interesting, I guess maybe for the ESD protection is to maybe solder another cable back out to some other part of device where it could take the static discharge. Aug 17 07:20:14 psycho_oreos: It doesn't work like that, you need to add additional components Aug 17 07:21:09 SpeedEvil, o.O so in essence its best to not screw up the microUSB port then lol Aug 17 07:21:21 psycho_oreos: Indeed. Aug 17 07:21:57 However, you can solder to the nodes that the USB port would normally connect to - at the other end of the tracks, it's just more annoying. Aug 17 07:22:05 I saw a thread of some bloke attempting to solder USB from that underside area, don't know how far he got but it was interesting Aug 17 07:22:06 The port on the bottom is electrically seperate in some ways Aug 17 07:23:58 so I guess it'll be also less likely to be able to use that alternative port to act in the same manner as the main port? :| Aug 17 07:24:15 IIRC it doesn't have the static protection Aug 17 07:24:40 yeah that was noted earlier by SpeedEvil :) Aug 17 07:24:54 ah Aug 17 07:25:02 and it also seems to be missing other components apart from being wired differently Aug 17 07:25:48 So... I just learned that for whatever reason, liquorix kernel 3.0 won't boot anymore, though 2.6.39.x will. It just... won't run with my mdadm raid Aug 17 07:26:15 like I said, it was somewhat interesting that there was an alternative port from those solder pads on the bottom side of that PCB. Its just a shame that regardless of how bad the outcome of a broken microUSB port, one cannot use the spare/alternative USB port as a regular one Aug 17 07:26:46 You usually can fix to the places the tracks from the notmal poert would connect. Aug 17 07:31:11 *nods* just curiously thinking of alternative options but I guess there probably won't be empty if one really screws up soldering of microUSB port Aug 17 07:32:19 any of you guys happen to own/have access to BH-905? need some information printed on the device (or you can just take a photo of that area and post it up instead for me) Aug 17 07:33:55 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/17/crave_duet_usb_drive_cum_vibrator/ Aug 17 07:36:18 psycho_oreos: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=bh-905 Aug 17 07:36:21 may be of use Aug 17 07:37:03 I wonder how long would that device last, if its being used as both a vibrator (placed where it normally goes) and as a mass storage device lol Aug 17 07:37:12 SpeedEvil, thanks :D checking the link out Aug 17 07:37:26 What are you wondering? Aug 17 07:37:52 SpeedEvil, what ruskie pasted (that link on a fancy chic device) Aug 17 07:38:08 or are you referring to that BH-905 query? :) Aug 17 07:38:12 yes Aug 17 07:40:03 ahh, I need to look at internal pictures of BH-905 (without pulling it apart first of course). For that I need FCC ID which, because of the fragility in the design of that bluetooth headset I had to use sticky tape to hold the plastic in place. Though where I used sticky tape on my BH-905, and over time I managed to cover up those FCC ID numbers Aug 17 07:40:14 ah Aug 17 07:42:09 they're quite easy to break, that area specifically. Using that bluetooth headset in a dusty environment doesn't make the situation any better :) Aug 17 07:44:30 I guess if I can't find a single useful picture from flickr, I'll just post a tmo thread instead. I thought about it but I thought had someone owns that same bluetooth headset and is also on here, they can save me from creating yet another somewhat pointless thread ;) Aug 17 07:45:26 I am quite happy to look, if you paypal me the funs to purchase some. :) Aug 17 07:46:05 I personally wouldn't recommend it :) It looks nice and rather expensive but at the same time its durability is questionable Aug 17 07:47:21 they (nokia) released a (supposedly) improved version of BH-905, dubbed it as BH-905i. I wonder if they noticed that problem in BH-905 along with random freezes/connectivity issue and addressed it in the improved version or not Aug 17 07:49:39 definitely no dice with flickr images, just went through all 12 pages without any luck. Aug 17 07:51:57 :/ Aug 17 07:53:12 I should have bookmarked/noted that FCC ID prior to sticking the tape over it. Aug 17 07:54:43 meh, I missed robbiethe1st and he missed ~usbfix Aug 17 07:55:21 he'll be back.. hopefully :) Aug 17 07:55:53 I'll miss him again, as I have to go afk now Aug 17 07:56:48 well I'll pass the message on if he comes back and I happen to still be around :) btw you wouldn't happen to own BH-905 would you? Aug 17 08:01:47 bah looks like he's already afk oh well Aug 17 08:08:04 HELP!!!! Aug 17 08:08:09 my n900 has gone bananas Aug 17 08:08:20 bar-nar-nars Aug 17 08:08:53 the microswitch for the lockslider must be worn out Aug 17 08:09:26 the only way I can stop the phone from continually spazzing out Aug 17 08:09:55 is by pressing on the power button twice? Aug 17 08:10:23 is to echo 0 > /sys/somethging/lockslider/disable Aug 17 08:10:36 chmod 444 /sys/something/lockslider disable Aug 17 08:10:39 o.O Aug 17 08:11:07 this stops the hardware from updating the /sys/ file system Aug 17 08:11:35 this is if I can even get it to boot without spazzing out because the lockslider GPIO is hammering like a machinegun Aug 17 08:11:45 HALP MEE Aug 17 08:13:39 I wouldn't know if there's a separate entry for kernel compiling that deals with lockslide but you may want to have a look at that and see if its possible. If it is you can probably compile it without that option but apart from that I really don't have much other thoughts Aug 17 08:14:08 I thought my n900 and I would grow old together... Aug 17 08:14:10 :( Aug 17 08:14:12 BAW Aug 17 08:15:40 SpeedEvil, as I started beginning to write a thread on BH-905 I thought `fuck it' and decided to remove those dirty sticky tapes, I got the FCC ID now :D thanks anyway Aug 17 08:17:39 where to buy a new n900? Aug 17 08:17:47 technologies ages faster than pets these days, I wouldn't even expect N900 to outlast one's life unless one is suffering in terminal condition or kills themselves shortly ;) Aug 17 08:17:55 amazon methinks Aug 17 08:18:08 i have a terminal conditon Aug 17 08:18:15 an x-term condition Aug 17 08:18:51 the ONLY new n900s on amazon are listed by someone who has a lot of bad feedback for NOT providing new devices. Aug 17 08:18:57 s/condition/illness/ Aug 17 08:19:41 what can I possibly get to replace this thing? Aug 17 08:19:55 there aren't many other alternatives for brand spanking new N900 :) I'm sure you're already aware that nokia no longer manufactures N900 Aug 17 08:20:05 ...yeah Aug 17 08:21:28 where can I stick those lines for disabling lockslider that they get loaded at the EARLIST time possible? Aug 17 08:22:02 vi__: ? Aug 17 08:22:09 kernel Aug 17 08:23:23 speedevil: ? Aug 17 08:23:46 vi__: ? Aug 17 08:24:04 vi__: I don't understand what you're asking. Aug 17 08:24:18 SpeedEvil: HELP!!!! Aug 17 08:24:18 09:05 < vi__> my n900 has gone bananas Aug 17 08:24:18 09:05 -!- Irssi: Join to #maemo was synced in 16 secs Aug 17 08:24:18 09:05 < vi__> bar-nar-nars Aug 17 08:24:18 09:06 < vi__> the microswitch for the lockslider must be worn out Aug 17 08:24:52 the only way I can stop the phone from continually spazzing out Aug 17 08:25:00 is to echo 0 > /sys/somethging/lockslider/disable Aug 17 08:25:08 chmod 444 /sys/something/lockslider disable Aug 17 08:25:14 this stops the hardware from updating the /sys/ file system Aug 17 08:25:19 this is if I can even get it to boot without spazzing out because the lockslider GPIO is hammering like a machinegun Aug 17 08:25:24 this is if I can even get it to boot without spazzing out because the lockslider GPIO is hammering like a machinegun Aug 17 08:25:39 SpeedEvil: now you know Aug 17 08:37:18 robbiethe1st: please see ~usbfix! Aug 17 08:37:38 whoa infobot is right on it :p Aug 17 08:39:49 lol Aug 17 08:40:14 where to download multiboot for installing nitdroid? the link in their wiki is broken Aug 17 08:40:53 SpeedEvil: have you come across the lockslidwer microswitch problem before? Aug 17 08:43:25 multiboot might be available in extras-{testing,devel} Aug 17 08:44:04 it was not availabe in the testing Aug 17 08:44:31 then its probably in devel, the usual end-user warnings still apply Aug 17 08:53:52 DocScrutinizer51: Aug 17 08:53:55 DocScrutinizer51: ? Aug 17 08:54:01 DocScrutinizer51: I have a hardware question Aug 17 08:54:41 DocScrutinizer51: GPIO115 (keyboard lock slider) has started to spazz out Aug 17 08:54:57 it flip-flops open/closed continually Aug 17 08:55:33 have you come across this before Aug 17 08:55:40 ? Aug 17 09:07:43 reformatting mmcblk0p1 as ext3 doesn't cause less cpu usage? in my pc i see reading/writing on a vfat partition uses more cpu Aug 17 09:12:20 It seems very unlikely it will be significant. Aug 17 09:13:35 hmmm? Aug 17 09:14:41 I am dubious that it will use more CPU even on the desktop case. Aug 17 09:14:46 How were you measuring it? Aug 17 09:32:38 Can I sync the calendar with some Linux application on my desktop? Aug 17 09:33:47 <_berto_> http://android-press-release.com/ Aug 17 09:33:48 <_berto_> LOL Aug 17 09:37:54 "I embrace Google's commitment to fighting Android and it's accomplices." XD Aug 17 09:57:43 If I add a contact like 'Von Neumann', it puts it at the letter V, instead of the N. How can I make it work such that the real last name is used for sorting? Aug 17 09:58:09 I can input it like Neumann, Von, but that kind of sucks. Aug 17 09:58:26 Is there an alternative contact applications which does work better? Aug 17 09:58:27 robbiethe1st: you've seen ~usbfix ? Aug 17 09:58:58 rly: call your contact 'herbert Neumann, von' Aug 17 09:59:01 Haven't checked, yet Aug 17 09:59:04 ~usvbfix Aug 17 09:59:06 ~usbfix Aug 17 09:59:07 Fixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<< Aug 17 09:59:23 rly: I know it's ugly but I actually think that the contacts app is one of the few stock things that actually works rather well. Aug 17 09:59:57 Shapeshifter: it also is not very fast, but otherwise it seems great. Aug 17 10:00:46 Shapeshifter: there are two fields to input a name. Aug 17 10:00:50 meh, contacts is missing a *lot* to become usable Aug 17 10:01:19 rly: you could try "title" Aug 17 10:01:21 DocScrutinizer: what do you use? Or is your n900 just a geek attribute? ;) Aug 17 10:01:45 rly: I don't have any contacts :-P Aug 17 10:02:06 DocScrutinizer: sad. Aug 17 10:02:11 yep Aug 17 10:02:16 DocScrutinizer: heh, with your amount of knowledge, I am sure lots of people want to know you. Aug 17 10:02:22 I've no qualms about the contacts app... it's easier than the one in our old Nokia dumbphone, due to having any number of fields Aug 17 10:02:32 I like the merge functionality Aug 17 10:03:00 Shapeshifter: can I also read those contacts back in on Linux? Aug 17 10:03:04 And the integration with the IM/sip/phone apps is good. Aug 17 10:03:10 Hi, anybody here play Quake 3 on N900? Aug 17 10:03:13 Shapeshifter: e.g. with Thunderbird/Evolution/etc.? Aug 17 10:03:17 can help me with config? Aug 17 10:03:30 rly: no clue, sorry, but I'm quite sure you can since you can export vcards or something - I can't remember. Aug 17 10:04:00 integration of organizer - I still wonder why IM not intergrated into Thunderbird. Aug 17 10:04:32 I wouldn't want that. Aug 17 10:04:56 Shapeshifter: you don't want it on PC, but on mobile you may want it Aug 17 10:05:08 missing: *fulltext search. *Predefined set of fields. *user-defined fields. *alphabethical search without hw kbd. *proper cam integration. *per contact ringtones. *groups. *per group ringtones. *....... Aug 17 10:05:12 PC i mean desktop Aug 17 10:05:27 DocScrutinizer: well yeah Aug 17 10:05:39 How can I input 'delete'? Aug 17 10:05:57 Or is -> Backspace the only option? Aug 17 10:06:15 shift + backpace = delete Aug 17 10:12:51 How can I input accents in the contacts app? Aug 17 10:18:56 So, I flashed the system again, with the 1.3 global version, but in network mode I still cannot see WPA2. I just see WEP or None. Aug 17 10:19:32 When I select infrastructure, I see a few extra options, but not WPA2. Aug 17 10:19:48 I have a problem with ioquake3 config Aug 17 10:19:48 (I was using adhoc mode) Aug 17 10:21:30 adhoc is not specified for WPA IIRC. that is in the standard Aug 17 10:21:46 some software does support it but by far not all Aug 17 10:25:49 weeh n900 arrived Aug 17 10:26:29 dm8tbr: I can set the laptop to be in Infrastructure mode too, what is the difference anyway? Aug 17 10:26:54 dm8tbr: the n900 only says WPA mode, not WPA2 mode. Aug 17 10:27:56 The terminology used by Ubuntu for setting up the access point and what the n900 uses is also not the same. The n900 is much more technical (not a problem per se, but I just don't see the point (why not just try all methods to connect (which is faster than typing it in manually))). Aug 17 10:29:03 In the normal case you just pick from the list of visible networks and don't worry about the method. Aug 17 10:29:16 infrastructure is when an AP is available. so if you set it on your laptop without AP, either it can act like one, or you won't have any connectivity Aug 17 10:30:24 rly: what is your greater goal? Aug 17 10:30:33 rly: using the internet connection of the n900? moving files? Aug 17 10:31:12 Shapeshifter: basically being able to use the Internet on the n900. Aug 17 10:31:23 Shapeshifter: at least until I have a real AP. Aug 17 10:31:35 'real' being some kind of wifi router. Aug 17 10:31:39 rly: on the n900? As in, your laptop is connected to the internet? Aug 17 10:31:51 Shapeshifter: the laptop is connected via a wired connection. Aug 17 10:32:10 Shapeshifter: I also want to ssh to the n900 and configure some stuff, etc. Aug 17 10:32:19 Without Internet, it is a pretty dead device ;) Aug 17 10:32:57 then ad-hoc is your only option for wireless atm. Aug 17 10:33:09 but, there's also USB Networking Aug 17 10:33:20 rly: I strongly rrecommend either using USB or bluetooth: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37710 Aug 17 10:33:55 Shapeshifter: I also have bluetooth. Does that work over 10 meters? Aug 17 10:34:08 uh, hardly :| Aug 17 10:34:28 Shapeshifter: ok, so far does it get? Aug 17 10:35:54 I doubt you're getting more than 2m. Aug 17 10:38:32 I've used the bluetooth internet sharing thing for approx 5 meters reliably. Aug 17 10:38:49 Not sure if it matters, but in my case the N900 provided internet to my laptop. Aug 17 10:42:06 ErwinJunge: mhh, I've been doing that as well for the past week and I think it broke down after a meter or so but maybe it was just a glitch. On the other hand, i was quite baffled when I was editing some stuff on the N900 using vim over SSH, then I went shopping taking my N900 with me and forgot the session open, reconnected at home, and I was able to continue working. the ssh session didn't break :< Aug 17 10:43:08 Hm.. that would baffle me as well Aug 17 10:47:54 DocScrutinizer, ping Aug 17 10:52:26 psycho_oreos: pong Aug 17 10:53:31 ... Aug 17 10:54:09 DocScrutinizer, gonna have to borrow yer hardware brains :) So let me get this straight, the FMTX antenna is that lookalike clip thingy with two test pads to the left of it? Aug 17 10:54:52 you can ask questions :-D Aug 17 10:55:07 err I did lol Aug 17 10:55:23 may I ask why that matters at all? Aug 17 10:55:50 the friggin hardware schematics pdf got me spinning round and round for awhile whilst I was trying to add new information to hardware hacking on the maemo.org wiki Aug 17 10:56:00 for reference and curious sake Aug 17 10:56:59 im sorry to interrupt, but what exactly does pivot_root do Aug 17 10:57:26 man pivot_root? Aug 17 10:57:29 I guess similar to chroot except you can't exactly exit out of chrooted environment Aug 17 10:57:48 well i read the manpage but its not really clear to me Aug 17 10:57:50 it basically changes rot from one directory/mountpoint/fs to another Aug 17 10:58:04 why is chroot still necessary then Aug 17 10:58:12 because you can exit out of chroot Aug 17 10:58:17 it's used e.g. to crank up the real system coming from an initrd Aug 17 10:58:20 I'm only guessing here Aug 17 10:58:21 i mean in the boot script Aug 17 10:58:49 it pivotroots then it does exec chroot . /sbin/init $RUNLEVEL Aug 17 10:59:11 peterbjornxz: in init there's no chroot except for processes running in a chroot jail Aug 17 10:59:26 no i mean in preinit Aug 17 10:59:32 how much it takes to boot up nitdroid? Aug 17 10:59:34 look at the original preinit Aug 17 11:00:35 preinit is really nifty tricky stuff Aug 17 11:00:51 DocScrutinizer, fyi: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#External_antennas <-- in reference to the initial question by myself :) Aug 17 11:01:18 and it holds a lot of legacy from diablo where we actually had an initrd Aug 17 11:02:00 yeah, im trying to make a small rootfs that will only boot into the eMMC Aug 17 11:02:03 psycho_oreos: in answer to your initial Q: the contact is X6189 Aug 17 11:02:10 it worked but all of a sudden it broke Aug 17 11:02:32 reflash of rootfs and reflash of eMMC didnt help Aug 17 11:02:37 there are also J6192 and J6193 probably as testpads Aug 17 11:03:18 X6189 is in component placement diagram quadrant H1 Aug 17 11:03:32 pivot_root . mnt/initfs Aug 17 11:03:32 echo "progress: 3" Aug 17 11:03:32 exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /sbin/init 2 Aug 17 11:04:31 find H1 with X6189 in schematics p.17 "Bottom" Aug 17 11:04:34 DocScrutinizer, yeah X6189 is what I eventually figured out. J6192 and J6193 is also what I later guessed as test pads but I wouldn't have a clue. You're citing from that section that I just created not long ago lol, I was hoping to see if you have a different view on it. Aug 17 11:05:09 I'm not citing Aug 17 11:05:14 ahh Aug 17 11:05:30 well ok that is definitely is the case then :D thanks for double-checking Aug 17 11:05:40 yw Aug 17 11:06:37 now let's see what you've been up to on that wiki page that I didn't cite Aug 17 11:07:05 ok that chroot in preinit is weird Aug 17 11:07:27 i started a shell after the pivot root and / is already the new FS Aug 17 11:08:31 Like the pivot_root(2) syscall manpage says, "BUGS: Some of the more obscure uses of pivot_root() may quickly lead to insanity." Aug 17 11:08:53 nothing much to be frank, I've tried to make it clear on my part with regards to external antenna capability. Too bad one cannot drill holes in supposedly empty areas of the PCB. Dumb idea indeed but I still dream about it, afterall GPS && BT/WLAN are on the obverse side of the PCB. Aug 17 11:10:22 i've never taken my n900 apart but wouldnt it be possible to "carve" a indentation in the housing and run the wires thru that Aug 17 11:11:56 peterbjornxz: The chroot is probably there "just in case", because according to the specifications pivot_root "may or may not change" the root of any other processes than the one calling pivot_root, so if it's using the separate pivot_root command the calling shell's root might happen to not change. Aug 17 11:13:26 psycho_oreos: those hirose test conectors are usually specified for sth like 20..500 mating cycles, before they definitely break/fail Aug 17 11:14:02 It is possible to carve holes in the plastic external housing but my personal view is to try and minimise as much protruding heads on the N900, and also have all the extra heads coming out of the same area (i.e. from the back of N900). Also I've never pulled N900 apart myself as well. Though it did have the original keypad replaced with aftermarket variant by a non-certified technician Aug 17 11:14:38 DocScrutinizer, ahh, but then again they aren't that firm when `clipped' in imo as opposed to SMA being `screwed' in Aug 17 11:15:41 psycho_oreos: we had hirose GSM connector on Neo FR, for e.g. car cradle with external ant. It didn't really pan out Aug 17 11:16:10 hirose is incredibly flimsy and really only meant for fab calibration purposes Aug 17 11:16:33 DocScrutinizer, meaning that its useless especially when you're in an area that has poor coverage for instance? Aug 17 11:16:40 bah :/ Aug 17 11:16:54 apart from the htc flyer, are there any new tablets with pen input? Aug 17 11:17:45 the cable loss (the wiki erratically calls this "interference") on those thin cables is extremely high, so one meter may easily eat up all the gain you get by the external antenna Aug 17 11:17:52 I mean in the case of WLAN devices, adding external antennas via hirose u.fl is definitely a big boost. I though it would similarly affect in this case Aug 17 11:18:34 heh I suppose "interference" can probably be called "noise induction" Aug 17 11:18:50 check out dB/m loss specifications of thin cables Aug 17 11:19:02 psycho_oreos: that's nonsense Aug 17 11:19:27 there's no noise induced, it's just the signel getting weaker with every cm of cable it travels Aug 17 11:19:45 yeah I know about thin cables being a huge issue. Aug 17 11:19:46 ahh Aug 17 11:20:25 you can easily find cables that have like 6dB loss per meter Aug 17 11:20:36 then there was that other issue with making it run through adapters/converters.. i.e. from one head to another different head. Aug 17 11:20:43 you hardly find antennae with 6dB gain Aug 17 11:21:36 yes, connectors also have loss, and spoil wave impedance and thus call standing wave aka reflections Aug 17 11:21:41 unless you get directionals imo Aug 17 11:21:54 ahh Aug 17 11:22:49 the cable needs a carefully tuned impedance measured in Ohm though it's not a real resistance Aug 17 11:24:07 heh I can imagine that would be logical, afterall Ohm is really useful for electricity in general Aug 17 11:24:13 every discontinuity spoils that impedance locally and thus creates reflections. Like a rope you move up and down to send waves along it, and there's suddenly a weight sitting on the rope Aug 17 11:25:08 the Ohm impedance of a cable says "you will not see any reflections if you terminate the cable with a resistor of that size" Aug 17 11:25:38 hmm Aug 17 11:26:05 how can I run a program with gdb to see if it exits due to memory? Aug 17 11:26:28 connecting two cables with different Z is like tying togetehr two ropes of different strength. And wave yu sent along the rope will not move smothly from the thin to the thick rope or vice versa Aug 17 11:26:30 when I run PROGRAM in a script , it fails Aug 17 11:27:06 I want to know why it failed. assuming the kernel killed it because it was asking for too much memory Aug 17 11:27:40 cityLights: if that was the reason then that's recorded in dmesg/syslog Aug 17 11:28:12 cityLights: I suggest to use strace to start and monitor the PROGRAM Aug 17 11:28:49 last few diagnostic lines of strace output probably will yield the reason why it terminated Aug 17 11:29:29 thanks a lot mate Aug 17 11:29:47 you are usually nice Aug 17 11:29:52 I guess ultimately I'll have to mod mine and see how far I go lol. I thought I'd be able to find interesting results if there were external antennas attached, but generally everyone's mileage varies and as noted there wasn't any huge difference when external antenna was attached to OM FR for GSM :/ Aug 17 11:30:06 hi folks, im trying to develop an app using the qtsdk and qt mobility. i can install the 1.1.3 qtm via the installer but need functionality from the 1.2 qtm. i found http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Latest_Qt_and_Qt_mobility_evaluation_on_Maemo which lets me install some debs, but how do i integrate the headers (-dev) into the qtsdk? will mad-admin do that for me? Aug 17 11:30:43 cityLights: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Debugging & http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/strace Aug 17 11:31:45 psycho_oreos: external *active* antenna for GPS makes some sense Aug 17 11:32:08 DocScrutinizer, active as in attaching something like a signal booster? ;) Aug 17 11:32:26 as the antenna can be way better due to larger patch area Aug 17 11:32:34 psycho_oreos: yes Aug 17 11:32:37 ahh Aug 17 11:32:58 the booster compensates for the cable loss Aug 17 11:33:08 The FR had a monstrously huge antenna. Aug 17 11:33:12 Ridiculously. Aug 17 11:33:13 while the larger patch gives better senitivity Aug 17 11:33:15 (for a phone) Aug 17 11:33:39 SpeedEvil: out RF house were fools Aug 17 11:33:44 our* Aug 17 11:33:53 DocScrutinizer: is a battery powered bluetooth gps receiver any good with the n900? Aug 17 11:34:03 BT/WLAN can definitely benefit if its done properly. FMTX would probably be evil if it had external antenna ;) people using that mod to put huge directional antennas in a bid to block other radio station's signals ;) Aug 17 11:34:18 psycho_oreos: I would love to do that. Aug 17 11:34:24 ahh. i've installed nitroid on my device, but in the welcome screen how much i press that android, it does nothing Aug 17 11:34:26 Shapeshifter, do which? Aug 17 11:34:38 psycho_oreos: force my music onto my neighbor Aug 17 11:34:41 :> Aug 17 11:34:46 j/k Aug 17 11:34:51 Shapeshifter, well you could :) Aug 17 11:34:58 in theory that is ;) Aug 17 11:35:00 they managed even to give us sensitivity diagrams for antenna that didn't match for 0° horizontal plane and 0° vertical plane, though it's same line of view Aug 17 11:35:28 Shapeshifter: probably as good as with arbitrary other devices Aug 17 11:35:41 no one familiar with qt mobility (on linux) and want to give me some hitns? Aug 17 11:36:00 is there a channel for qtm stuff? Aug 17 11:36:06 Shapeshifter: generally those GPS mice are better than the integrated GPS RX of a phone Aug 17 11:36:25 there is Aug 17 11:36:29 * psycho_oreos looks at the sensitivity diagrams ... with great confusion Aug 17 11:36:30 lol Aug 17 11:36:43 damn DocScrutinizer what time zone are you living in? or have you just given up on sleeping alltogether? Aug 17 11:36:54 yes :-D Aug 17 11:37:10 What is GMT+5? Aug 17 11:37:16 I'm there at teh moment Aug 17 11:37:26 Russia? Aug 17 11:37:29 Mooall Aug 17 11:37:31 India? Aug 17 11:37:37 Israel Aug 17 11:37:37 mooorst Aug 17 11:37:48 Welcome to Israel, SpeedEvil Aug 17 11:37:55 * SpeedEvil needs to fix his sleep schedule. Aug 17 11:37:57 <-- This does not have super cow powers Aug 17 11:38:06 RST38h: are you in tel aviv? Aug 17 11:38:17 SpeedEvil: abandon sleep, problem fixed Aug 17 11:38:20 can we meet for beer? Aug 17 11:38:25 cityLights: Me? Tel Aviv? No. Aug 17 11:38:52 ok, whrere IS you/ Aug 17 11:38:53 ? Aug 17 11:39:00 Right now? Greece. Aug 17 11:39:23 vacation? Aug 17 11:39:47 something like that Aug 17 11:39:52 wish I could see a n950.... Aug 17 11:40:08 It is pretty much like E7, just done right Aug 17 11:40:12 I didnt apply in time, and so I was left with my n900 Aug 17 11:40:13 im going to kill that GREEN BEE OF ANDROID, why this slow doesn't go to the next step? Aug 17 11:40:35 I wounder if I may still get one.... Aug 17 11:40:40 DocScrutinizer: I understand wht you're saying, but reflashing is not a snsible optoion for me. Better to do the networking the right way . I tried bluetooth but it is not functioning in XPhome :( Aug 17 11:40:42 Why not apply now? Aug 17 11:40:54 There were 50 extra available just recently Aug 17 11:40:59 I looked at www.meego.com, and didnt find a link Aug 17 11:41:05 * RST38h moos at multiplecopies of MohammadAG joining Aug 17 11:41:07 x29a: there might be some helping user eventually. Just qtm isn't that popular yet Aug 17 11:41:09 DocScrutinizer, I suppose there's no way to also tell judging by looking at the hardware schematics which one of the test pads is positive for FMTX? page 8 for reference. I'm guessing J6192 is positive as J6193 is wired to ground it seems and that has to be negative according to my rather poor electrical knowledge :) Aug 17 11:41:54 I really don't think one gets any second or successive chances at applying to obtain N950 :p Aug 17 11:41:57 DocScrutinizer: allrighty, ill stay around #qt-mobility for a while Aug 17 11:42:07 and figure it out on my own (i hope) Aug 17 11:42:39 o.O Aug 17 11:42:52 MohammadAG: you're multiple? Aug 17 11:44:28 psycho_oreos: for RF there's no such thing like positive and negative. GND is GND though, and GND very usually runs via shielding mesh of a coax cable Aug 17 11:45:21 DocScrutinizer, ahh Aug 17 11:45:37 so with RF antennas its live and ground? :/ Aug 17 11:45:47 yes, like RCA Aug 17 11:45:55 * psycho_oreos googles Aug 17 11:45:55