**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 21 02:59:57 2011 Aug 21 04:31:41 hello Aug 21 04:32:21 you guys would know something like this. what is an incredibly small arm based system. one of the small systems you just plug into the wall. i would prefer one with a manageable wifi Aug 21 04:34:55 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/CompuLab-TrimSlice/ Aug 21 04:35:04 maybe that? but that is still kind of large Aug 21 04:48:24 what about a guruplug? Aug 21 04:48:35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GuruPlug Aug 21 05:11:33 ah. i will check it out... Aug 21 05:11:56 http://tech.rancorous.net/2011/08/20/sinternet/ Aug 21 05:12:03 i found the yt video very interesting Aug 21 05:12:11 it will be nice to see if it could be done Aug 21 05:12:20 Macer, I don't know if its small enough for you, it looks very bulky but at the same time it offers plenty more functionality Aug 21 05:12:24 i'm still laying out the base Aug 21 05:12:49 wow. that actually looks pretty good Aug 21 05:12:58 Marvell? :) Aug 21 05:13:03 looked good up until that heh Aug 21 05:13:52 yeah its marvell, its based on sheevaplug anyway Aug 21 05:14:12 The fan is not software-controllable[5] and makes a sound resembling that of a hair dryer Aug 21 05:14:15 lol Aug 21 05:16:15 there's also gumstix option but that wouldn't fit yer requirements for something that plugs on the wall type thing Aug 21 05:20:09 hm. is there anything smaller that only has wifi and microsd? Aug 21 05:21:13 http://www.gumstix.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=226 Aug 21 05:22:31 that's a little too much ;) Aug 21 05:22:44 something with a housing already put together? Aug 21 06:24:12 GAN900: Best Buy is going to do the HP Touchpad Aug 21 06:24:16 GAN900: 10AM Aug 21 06:25:51 psycho_oreos: GuruPlug sounds like some kind of technofetish BDSM thingie Aug 21 06:26:01 on the same lines as 2g1c Aug 21 06:36:06 crashanddie_, lol well believe it or not its not a vapourware unlike others ;) Aug 21 06:36:25 Well, if only they wouldn't overheat. Aug 21 06:39:36 overheating is a minor issue ;) there are several other poorly manufactured products (not from the same mob of course) are also prone to crashes and overheating.. poor performance and shortened life expectancy are the side effects Aug 21 07:06:17 ~wtf bdsm Aug 21 07:06:19 Gee... I don't know what bdsm means... Aug 21 07:08:12 lol speaking of bdsm I recall of a van going around in .at giving males proper bdsm treatment from a female Aug 21 07:12:36 * RST38h yawns Aug 21 07:12:43 So? Aug 21 07:13:34 nothing, just something that I thought it was worth noting :p Aug 21 07:20:12 speedevil everything was fine and same hours ago i was normally connecting Aug 21 07:21:17 here's my iwlist wlan0 scanning something feels so wrong http://paste.ubuntu.com/671352/ Aug 21 07:25:00 hello am having a problem browsing the web on n900 can someone help Aug 21 07:25:42 i can connect to the router but am unable to browse or get update Aug 21 07:26:38 thought i can connect and browse when connecting to other AP Aug 21 07:27:08 now i know it's not the AP because am using it now Aug 21 07:30:21 which wireless driver are you using? Aug 21 07:42:31 the default ones right now Aug 21 07:42:43 and i got the power kernel Aug 21 07:43:11 and now i found that am able to go on xchat Aug 21 07:43:32 that's me on n900 Aug 21 07:44:52 hmm if you're using stock drivers (which you say you are) then I'm not sure what could be the issue. I have had issue with the bleeding-edge driver Aug 21 07:45:24 i had those but didn't really use them Aug 21 07:45:43 i took the package off yesterday Aug 21 07:46:17 and i have cleven that i mess around with but this wasn't an issue before Aug 21 07:47:03 but my fear is that i might have messed with some of the aircrack commands Aug 21 07:47:40 probably DNS issue Aug 21 07:48:26 plus i see a long encryption key while iwconfig Aug 21 07:48:37 that's normal Aug 21 07:49:16 I connected to one of friends AP i was able to browse Aug 21 07:49:37 now i know that am able to go xchat from n900 Aug 21 07:49:55 so i believe might be an http https thing Aug 21 07:50:32 THe signal level is good enough Aug 21 07:50:36 Relatively low noise Aug 21 07:50:44 So you should be good to go Aug 21 07:50:49 ping 8.8.4.4 or something Aug 21 07:50:53 see if that works Aug 21 07:51:07 pinging my router you mean Aug 21 07:51:12 No Aug 21 07:51:17 also check your DNS entries as crashanddie_ said, slow DNS servers can also be a huge culprit Aug 21 07:51:30 "ping 8.8.4.4" means "ping 8.8.4.4" Aug 21 07:51:36 ok Aug 21 07:52:21 I personally don't think screwing up aircrack-ng commands can seriously stuff up your wireless chipset. Unless you went around adjusting the TX power levels (maybe, don't even know if that's possible or not) Aug 21 07:52:27 i have replies Aug 21 07:53:10 no no adjusting just the usual Aug 21 07:53:19 i have ping replie Aug 21 07:53:20 try "host " Aug 21 07:53:57 s/name/url/ Aug 21 07:53:57 psycho_oreos meant: try "host " Aug 21 07:54:29 host not found Aug 21 07:54:51 which url did you try? Aug 21 07:55:07 google Aug 21 07:55:13 :) Aug 21 07:55:15 ahh its meant to be google.com Aug 21 07:55:39 not just the name it has to be a full website name Aug 21 07:56:00 and you should try a few varied ones Aug 21 07:56:13 i know but i got /bin/sh : host : not found Aug 21 07:58:37 hmm that's weird Aug 21 08:00:14 any ideas Aug 21 08:01:29 and it's weird too that i can have browsing from other ap just not mine Aug 21 08:01:42 and i am on xchat on n900 Aug 21 08:02:29 is there a way to reinstall all the network things on n900 Aug 21 08:03:44 no Aug 21 08:03:50 not easily anyway Aug 21 08:05:00 I even tried to restore factory settings Aug 21 08:05:20 removed the bleeding edge drivers Aug 21 08:05:33 removed the battery Aug 21 08:05:39 I don't think restore factory settings would be as much help as a complete reflash of N900 Aug 21 08:06:15 i am trying to avoid reflashing Aug 21 08:06:37 restore factory settings more or less just resets previously set up stuff and maybe hide all the old packages. Though the previously installed packages and what not will still be there Aug 21 08:07:28 I'd install bash3 and get host to see if it resolves a few fqdn, it could just be microB playing up Aug 21 08:08:32 I was trying to access my friends AP but it seems it's off Aug 21 08:09:28 I had an issue with my AP before n900 just couldn't see it Aug 21 08:09:37 whatsoever Aug 21 08:10:23 for a reason after installing the bleeding edge drivers it fixed it Aug 21 08:10:41 which would be rather unusual Aug 21 08:10:49 yes Aug 21 08:11:05 I never used the bleeding edge drivers afterward Aug 21 08:11:33 i tried yesterday when i wasn't able to browse the web Aug 21 08:11:51 normally i couldn't browse either Aug 21 08:12:12 iwconfig showed encryption key off Aug 21 08:12:23 whille on bleeding edge drivers Aug 21 08:12:26 while Aug 21 08:14:22 I believe it fixed something while unloading and reloading the factory drivers Aug 21 08:14:57 and that shouldn't be like that.. normally if your wireless network is WPA encrypted you should get a long key. I am still unsure of the package you said you installed. Wherever it came from, its probably quite poorly made Aug 21 08:15:37 the bleeding edge you mean? Aug 21 08:15:43 yes Aug 21 08:16:02 well i was out of options when i installed it Aug 21 08:16:15 and for a reason it did me good back then Aug 21 08:16:41 but now that's an another issue Aug 21 08:17:15 I wonder if that's causing the trouble you are having _right_ now Aug 21 08:17:30 'I don't know Aug 21 08:17:38 you haven't specified which settings you made to iwconfig Aug 21 08:17:45 and the weird thing is just on my access point again Aug 21 08:18:45 i didn't Aug 21 08:19:56 I didn't try to set anything with iwconfig Aug 21 08:20:42 just to view when in monitoring Aug 21 08:22:50 what does `lsmod| grep wl12| head -1' give you? Aug 21 08:24:17 w112xx 77760 0 Aug 21 08:25:12 pastebin your dmesg output Aug 21 08:26:24 ok just a minute Aug 21 08:31:31 how do i select the whole thing Aug 21 08:31:51 something are not showing anymore on dmesg Aug 21 08:32:08 with shell redirection you can dump it into a file and from that file send it or open it on your pc/etc to paste it Aug 21 08:33:13 please tell me how Aug 21 08:33:35 dmesg > foo.out Aug 21 08:35:28 now it should be in my home user Aug 21 08:40:56 ? Aug 21 08:42:12 so send that out file to the computer, open it with your favourite text editor and paste it onto pastebin? Aug 21 08:42:25 ok Aug 21 08:49:16 http://paste.ubuntu.com/671545/ Aug 21 08:51:36 Can anybody tell, if a n900 with a broken display can still be started and the PIN for the SIM entered. I.e. can that be done blindly with just the keyboard? Aug 21 08:51:43 you have bluetooth on? Aug 21 08:52:07 * psycho_oreos points question to steverm Aug 21 08:52:23 probalbly not, but let me try.... Aug 21 08:52:36 ? Aug 21 08:52:57 was Aug 21 08:53:16 yes i send the file to my pc with bluetooth Aug 21 08:53:48 steverm, I thought psycho_oreos was answering my question. Aug 21 08:54:01 my mistake :) Aug 21 08:54:15 Can somebody do me the favor to reboot his n900 and check if the PIN can be entered w/o the touchscreen? Aug 21 08:54:21 rd, just tried it through settings > device lock. No dice so no I doubt it'll work with hardware keyboard Aug 21 08:55:01 ok, thanks :-( Aug 21 08:55:05 steverm, well according to dmesg your bluetooth was enabled a fair few times. So when you tried surfing the net, was bluetooth on at all? Aug 21 08:55:35 no Aug 21 08:55:40 am sure of it Aug 21 08:56:12 apart from that the dmesg output isn't as verbose as I expected it to be. So we're still back to square one Aug 21 08:56:15 yesterday i put it on to send the 1st paste bin file of my iwconfig Aug 21 08:57:17 do I reset my router and see what comes Aug 21 08:57:41 maybe it's a communication thing between the ap and n900 Aug 21 08:58:00 now we know everything is in place Aug 21 08:58:23 and somewhat i do have connection out "xchat" and maybe msn Aug 21 08:58:30 let me try the msn Aug 21 08:59:56 msn work Aug 21 09:02:24 so beside http everything seems to work Aug 21 09:02:35 and the host isn't installed Aug 21 09:02:39 so you tried browsing internet and its still no go? Aug 21 09:02:54 yes Aug 21 09:03:04 it keeps on trying but nothing is on Aug 21 09:03:09 have you tried other alternative browsers? Aug 21 09:03:25 I was hopping I download firefox Aug 21 09:03:37 I wouldn't use firefox, firefox on N900 is slow Aug 21 09:03:47 opera ftw Aug 21 09:04:05 midori, slightly slow but not as slow as firefox Aug 21 09:04:10 webkit ftw Aug 21 09:04:26 lynx ftmfw Aug 21 09:04:28 once i can get a www connection was my 1st thing to do Aug 21 09:04:49 let me see if i still got the lynx Aug 21 09:05:05 I downloaded it once but not sure if i removed it afterwards Aug 21 09:05:13 hi everyone Aug 21 09:05:21 there's also chromium Aug 21 09:05:41 i thing i will go with chromium Aug 21 09:06:02 is there any good place to put user repositories for fremantle? Aug 21 09:06:04 chromium is useless Aug 21 09:06:06 is there a way of reinstalling the default browser Aug 21 09:06:12 opera is a lot better Aug 21 09:06:42 put user repositories? how do you mean? add repositories in N900? Aug 21 09:07:31 no, host a personal repo, Aug 21 09:08:09 packages i'm working on doesn't fit very well on extras-devel Aug 21 09:08:41 well you can create your own apt repository, like a few maemo developers here do Aug 21 09:08:58 i even have my own autobuilder Aug 21 09:09:19 steverm, yes, though I don't know if reinstalling will help, there's portions of the packages scattered within nokia repositories as well as maemo repositories Aug 21 09:09:42 psycho_oreos: yep, that's done, but in my personal home server. I need a public one :) Aug 21 09:10:03 any outside package Aug 21 09:10:12 i can't on my n900 Aug 21 09:10:12 inean, so why not add relevant port fowarding on your router so that you can host those? : Aug 21 09:10:13 :P Aug 21 09:10:18 extras-devel Aug 21 09:10:55 I will try at maemo Aug 21 09:11:00 steverm, they are external packages. Plus you can't normally retrieve stuff from nokia repositories without using N900 Aug 21 09:11:38 so i need to do it from my n900 Aug 21 09:12:00 psycho_oreos: that's done (I think so), but i don't want to take my adsl connection down from the outside :P. Aug 21 09:12:11 for some of the packages yes, but you may as well do the whole thing from N900 via ssh or whatever Aug 21 09:12:29 inean, in other words you need an independent host? Aug 21 09:12:46 jacekowsky: I'm packing qt-components and maliit, and that kind of packages shoud be put on extras-devel by nokia guys, not me Aug 21 09:13:11 hahahahahahahaha fucking weird wen't for www.msn.com it's opening slow but opening Aug 21 09:15:34 hopefully the repos will load Aug 21 09:16:06 psycho_oreos: yes , (a free one) Aug 21 09:16:39 inean, maybe something like a github? ;) Aug 21 09:17:15 you can put source or compiled packages on github (IMHO). Aug 21 09:18:14 err can or can't? Aug 21 09:19:59 psycho_oreos: s/can/can't/ Aug 21 09:21:12 I can't do it not load the repos or do it from the ssh since www is somewhat blocked Aug 21 09:23:05 inean, heh I forgot, free ones are open sourced ones.. well apart from that I wouldn't know :) dropbox maybe? Aug 21 09:24:14 steverm, have you tried to connect to internet through alternative means? i.e. through PC, or through 3G? Aug 21 09:24:55 i am on my pc right now Aug 21 09:25:12 and yes i am able to browse Aug 21 09:25:31 3g i didn't try it since the sim card is not insert Aug 21 09:26:55 I meant from your N900 goes through wired connection to your PC and then uses the internet from your PC's connection.. aka USB networking Aug 21 09:31:12 good morning Aug 21 09:31:23 oh no i haven't try this yet Aug 21 09:31:35 brb Aug 21 10:00:39 How can i change the font it uses for non-eng characters? By default it uses tahoma a Aug 21 10:11:08 can i simply dd to/from an ubifs? Aug 21 10:15:13 It's a filesystem Aug 21 10:15:24 Or do you mean raw ubifs Aug 21 10:15:29 In which case, the answer is no Aug 21 10:15:41 Well - you can DD from it, but not reliably to. Aug 21 10:15:57 As you may write over bad blocks Aug 21 10:16:22 i want to use the rescue os from nin101 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75369 Aug 21 10:16:38 to backup/restore my n900 Aug 21 10:16:45 Infobot is a her? Wtf! Aug 21 10:17:56 there's another tool called mtd_debug, which may probably handle bad blocks (via skipping I think) instead of dd Aug 21 10:18:53 i mean it should be possible to do someting in between the commands for mounting Aug 21 10:19:01 ubiattach /dev/ubi_ctrl -m 5 Aug 21 10:19:06 mount -t ubifs -o rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc ubi0:rootfs /mnt/maemo Aug 21 10:20:54 hiya, is this the right place to ask about an update failure of "marble" on my n900? Aug 21 10:21:06 as there is no script in the /rescueos directory for backup/restore it maybe difficult Aug 21 10:21:41 tim_abell: What do you mean by an update failure? Aug 21 10:22:46 it depends on "gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-extra', according to the problems tab in the app details in the application manager / update app Aug 21 10:22:56 and refuses to update Aug 21 10:22:59 anybody have time to see my WM/DE Design, inspired by hildon/meego/firefox http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?f=168&t=342349 Aug 21 10:24:48 NIN101: hi Aug 21 10:24:56 hi Aug 21 10:25:27 NIN101: some minutes ago i mentioned your rescue os Aug 21 10:25:49 tim_abell: 1.2.0 is not installing? Aug 21 10:25:54 1.2.0-1 Aug 21 10:25:56 NIN101: thank you for that Aug 21 10:26:16 Did it help you? Aug 21 10:26:33 NIN101: so far i only downloaded the files Aug 21 10:26:35 SpeedEvil: 1.2.0-1, correct Aug 21 10:27:01 NIN101: i had a look at /rescueos but i miss a backup/restore script there Aug 21 10:27:16 thats right, there isn't one yet. Aug 21 10:27:26 tim_abell: installed OK for me Aug 21 10:27:29 NIN101: is it simple or complicated because of the ubifs? Aug 21 10:27:49 NIN101: just a dd after using ubiattach? Aug 21 10:28:22 BluesLee: if you can mount the rootfs, you should be able to create an archive. I wouldn't play around with dd. Aug 21 10:28:37 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/marble/1.2.0-1/ does not seem to list gstreamer Aug 21 10:28:49 the first message is "Unable to update 'Marble - Virtual Globe'. Some application packages required for the update are missing." with a details button Aug 21 10:28:55 hmm Aug 21 10:28:56 NIN101: your method is the best one as it does not require a boot menu or whatever, its cool Aug 21 10:29:07 tim_abell: I'd remove and reinstall - see if that works Aug 21 10:29:10 thx :-) Aug 21 10:29:17 k will do Aug 21 10:29:42 current ver is 1.1.1 Aug 21 10:29:57 NIN101: i would prefer dd for backup/restore if it works Aug 21 10:30:48 NIN101: what is the method of robbiethe1st? Aug 21 10:31:11 i have to check that first Aug 21 10:31:17 I don't know. Aug 21 10:31:22 same error Aug 21 10:31:32 now i don't have the old version either :( Aug 21 10:33:42 GAN900: ping ping ping Aug 21 10:33:49 I use tar. Aug 21 10:33:59 and feathers. Aug 21 10:34:01 dd... doesn't work all the time Aug 21 10:34:19 due to the fact that we've got raw nand, and the bad blocks are stored in the filesystem Aug 21 10:34:44 robbiethe1st: good to know Aug 21 10:35:05 I think tar is sufficient in most cases. Aug 21 10:36:12 Only thing it can't do is make a flashable image Aug 21 10:36:21 But you can do that with a Linux PC and mtd-utils Aug 21 10:37:25 hmm Aug 21 10:37:34 that sounds not bad Aug 21 10:37:45 SpeedEvil: i've only got the original app catalogues, maybe you have something extra in there Aug 21 10:37:59 robbiethe1st: my problem is with all the different bootmenus, multiboot etc Aug 21 10:38:11 Hmm, in rescueOS, if maemo is f'cked, I could simply extract it again, without flashing. Aug 21 10:38:13 nokia applications, nokia system software updates, ovi & maemo.org Aug 21 10:38:43 tim_abell: I have extras, extras-devel, and testing. the latest version is however in extras Aug 21 10:38:50 so I thought that pulled all the deps to extras too Aug 21 10:39:05 robbiethe1st: but for the worst case a flashable image is a good idea Aug 21 10:40:52 BluesLee: Yea, I know. But you can always flash the stock+BM image I have, and use that to 'bootstrap' your own backup image Aug 21 10:41:02 flash that, run BM, restore your backup Aug 21 10:43:26 robbiethe1st: in case using BM i cant use multiboot i guess Aug 21 10:43:36 robbiethe1st: you mean this one http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img Aug 21 10:43:56 please give me a clue: what is /usr/bin/Xorg -logfile ... it's keeping my cpu very busy. i have PK47. won't mind flashing if i have to :/ Aug 21 10:49:12 robbiethe1st: i think i am fine with that, i will probably install BM once to get the tar image, convert it to a flashable image and than i can remove BM, to run multiboot for the other stuff Aug 21 10:51:05 i think i might add testing when i have more time. have to go now. i'm quite a fan of navit and that's only in testing. Aug 21 10:52:17 GAN900, got a touchpad? Aug 21 10:59:30 meh Aug 21 10:59:36 MohammadAG: he's not awake yet Aug 21 10:59:45 ~maemo-multiboot Aug 21 10:59:45 i heard maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack Aug 21 10:59:47 MohammadAG: BB should sell them from 10AM local time Aug 21 11:00:04 MohammadAG: I tried to warn him, get him up, but he's not answering Aug 21 11:00:19 crashanddie_, except I don't live in the US :/ Aug 21 11:00:26 no, but he does. Aug 21 11:00:32 anyway, it's available in 2 (3?) stores in florida Aug 21 11:00:43 I don't think he can pick up two for me :P Aug 21 11:00:52 why not? Aug 21 11:01:13 cause I'm on the other side of the planet and he doesn't "know" me? Aug 21 11:01:40 I love how the french are poluting the world with their "99$" Aug 21 11:01:48 it's "$99" you dumb fucks. Aug 21 11:02:02 same as it's "USD 99" or "EUR 99" Aug 21 11:02:06 not "99 EUR" Aug 21 11:02:38 heh, I hate it cause it looks weird when it's on the right Aug 21 11:02:56 (and that's coming from someone whose language is RTL) Aug 21 11:03:12 crashanddie_: depends Aug 21 11:03:20 hmm I messed up my user rights in maemo on my n900 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1073918&postcount=1 Aug 21 11:03:36 MohammadAG: ?thgir ot tfel sa ylkciuq sa tfel ot thgir daer uoy nac os Aug 21 11:04:02 heh Aug 21 11:04:10 99€ is perfect over here where we *use* € Aug 21 11:04:18 no, a bit slower :p Aug 21 11:04:20 as is 99 EUR Aug 21 11:04:43 erhm, no. It's € 99 Aug 21 11:04:43 as is 99,- EUR Aug 21 11:04:49 uhuh Aug 21 11:04:59 tsiwt a tahw wow Aug 21 11:05:07 in your line you just posted it evidently is, yes Aug 21 11:07:06 generally here in Europe we aren't usually upside down and arse ahead, like in USA Aug 21 11:07:22 we also don't use imperial units Aug 21 11:07:41 neither witworth screws and inch-sized wrenches Aug 21 11:07:45 oh, I stand corrected, there is no "correct way", it's up to the country. Aug 21 11:08:58 units are always marked after the numerical value, I don't know why it would be different with money Aug 21 11:09:39 crashanddie_, how'd you right that RTL line btw? Aug 21 11:09:47 write, you mean? Aug 21 11:09:52 wtf Aug 21 11:10:01 ?epyt tsuj I ,onnud I Aug 21 11:10:04 Wonder why I typoed that Aug 21 11:10:05 and we also don't use miles/gallon but rather liter/100km Aug 21 11:10:16 prolly cause I just woke up Aug 21 11:10:46 I dunno, I just find it weird, in the case of $ Aug 21 11:11:04 originally, it's written in front, so just respect that language's way of doing things. Aug 21 11:11:10 or just write in plain text 99 dollars Aug 21 11:12:19 Trewas: Because it is Aug 21 11:12:27 Trewas: At least in some places. UK for example. Aug 21 11:13:08 Any commonwealth country or any country that has had dollars. Aug 21 11:13:30 And let's not forget that the world dollar comes from old German, so... ;) Aug 21 11:13:31 crashanddie_: you have to decide if you want to respect the namespace of the topic you're talking about or rather the namespace your recipients are used to Aug 21 11:13:58 SpeedEvil: I know it is locale specific, but it still does not make much sense :) Aug 21 11:14:26 Trewas: Wy oes putting the unit afterwards make sense? Aug 21 11:14:26 DocScrutinizer: IIRC, windows, for a long time put the euro sign in front on Windows. Aug 21 11:14:38 And it still does on excel, etc. Aug 21 11:15:10 always had the unit at the end around here Aug 21 11:15:16 before euro and now with euro Aug 21 11:15:18 SpeedEvil: because "when you read it out loud, it's more logical to have the unit afterwards, considering you'll say it after the amount" Aug 21 11:15:21 crashanddie_: if I make a list how much a cheeseburger is in all the countries of the world, I for sure will adopt the notation of LC_CURRENCY of my audience, no matter what's the right notation for the particular currency of the particular line in that table Aug 21 11:15:43 SpeedEvil: that is how it is pronounced and why would money be different to every other unit? Aug 21 11:16:10 DocScrutinizer: if you're making a list of cheeseburger prices, surely you'd index it in a common currency, not the local currency? Or if you put the local currency, you'd write it in the correct locale. Aug 21 11:16:34 no Aug 21 11:17:41 I'd not go thru the hassle to convert all currencies to Yen, using the conversion rates of western union as of 2009-12-24 Aug 21 11:18:07 "The dollars followed the Pound Sterling convention. The pound sign is from Latin "libra". Aug 21 11:18:10 In Latin, you would say the currency and then give the amount. It didn't matter that English doesn't do it that way, so although people would speak english, they would write in the Latin convention" Aug 21 11:18:45 and I'd not write $1.99, 2.49€, and some illegible crap in arabic Aug 21 11:18:56 "Some countries do put the currency first--In India, something doesn't cost seventy-five Rupees, instead you say the price is "Rupees seventy-five" and write it Rs75" Aug 21 11:19:22 Trewas: do you say "two euros and fourty five cents"? Aug 21 11:19:36 Trewas: or do you say "two point fourty five euros"? Aug 21 11:20:04 both Aug 21 11:20:11 both are used Aug 21 11:20:12 two 'n 'alf Aug 21 11:20:34 yeah, but if his argument is "that's how you pronounce it" Aug 21 11:20:47 then he should write 2€45c Aug 21 11:21:03 Logically, you'd put the unit first. Aug 21 11:21:09 In all unit-related utterances. Aug 21 11:21:10 pronuciation != writting Aug 21 11:21:13 different rules Aug 21 11:21:16 crashanddie_: we also don't use Billion 1.5 here, rather it's 1,5 Miliarden Aug 21 11:21:34 DocScrutinizer: neither does anyone else? Aug 21 11:21:41 DocScrutinizer: $1.5 billion Aug 21 11:21:50 uhuh Aug 21 11:21:57 Milliard _used_ to be used in very old english texts. Aug 21 11:22:14 Since a few years ago now, billion is used for 10^9. Aug 21 11:22:17 Yeah, but that's because English also uses a lot of French ;) Aug 21 11:22:29 For added confusion, very long ago, billion was used for 10^12 Aug 21 11:24:07 in German it's still million, milliarde, billion, billiarde, trillion, trilliarde, quatrillion, quatrilliarde, quintillion, quintilliarde, and so on Aug 21 11:24:30 and that's how it's in GB according to my dictionary Aug 21 11:24:44 here also Aug 21 11:25:02 Milliard is _never_ used in english. Aug 21 11:25:09 Modern english. Aug 21 11:25:15 ~dict milliard Aug 21 11:25:17 Dictionary 'milliard' (2): a billion; "in England they call one thousand million a milliard" ;; \Mil`liard"\ (F. m[-e]l`y[.a]r"; E. m[i^]l"l[i^]*[aum]rd), n. [F., from mille, mil, thousand, L. mille.] A thousand millions; -- usually called {billion} in the United States. See {Billion}. [1913 Webster]. Aug 21 11:25:19 I have precisely one book out of perhaps 3000 that's mentioned it Aug 21 11:25:42 Of random SF titles including UK SF, from the 60s-90s Aug 21 11:25:48 Many countries uses the long scale, but there are some who switches to the short one which is default in us Aug 21 11:25:52 And general reading of media. Aug 21 11:26:39 Many countries uses the long scale, but there are some who switches to the short one which is default in us Aug 21 11:26:49 1913 webster is misleading in this instance. Aug 21 11:26:51 It's changed. Aug 21 11:27:01 SpeedEvil: you're surrendering to US braindamage Aug 21 11:27:15 DocScrutinizer: No, I'm just not being an ass-hat. Aug 21 11:27:59 The usage of billion as 10^12 here is so vanishingly small that to use it based on historical precedent is frankly wrong. Aug 21 11:29:00 And misleading to the reader, who will in all cases (unless they are reading historical literature from ~1910 or so) expect it to be 10^9 Aug 21 11:29:17 tbh you (anglophonic world) managed to mess it up so thoroughly (once again) that nobody - not even your own folks - get it right anymore Aug 21 11:30:50 OED, 2011: "Since 1951 the U.S. value, a thousand millions, has been increasingly used in Britain, especially in technical writing and, more recently, in journalism; but the older sense ‘a million millions’ is still common." Aug 21 11:31:09 NIN101: just testing your rescue os Aug 21 11:31:24 fact is I don't trust any 10^(3*n) suffix in a spoken english text, except maybe million Aug 21 11:31:32 NIN101: i cant umount the maemo rootfs Aug 21 11:31:50 NIN101: it says "device or resource busy" Aug 21 11:32:01 NIN101: adding lsof would be nice Aug 21 11:32:39 NIN101: i have a german kbd, kbd support is a minor problem Aug 21 11:33:52 are you in /mnt/maemo while you are trying to unmount it BluesLee? Aug 21 11:34:04 NIN101: no .. but now it worked Aug 21 11:34:36 NIN101: umount /mnt/maemo + ubidetach -m 5 worked Aug 21 11:34:54 NIN101: before i used your umount script Aug 21 11:34:55 yes thats the recommended way. Aug 21 11:35:03 actually it does exactly this Aug 21 11:35:12 yes Aug 21 11:35:28 just a prior sync Aug 21 11:35:36 once again Aug 21 11:36:04 NIN101: same as before Aug 21 11:36:25 hm Aug 21 11:36:42 NIN101: is there a typo? Aug 21 11:36:57 NIN101: umount /mnt/maemoo? Aug 21 11:37:05 umount /mnt/maemoo Aug 21 11:37:06 argh Aug 21 11:37:13 thx for reporting BluesLee :-) Aug 21 11:37:29 or did i add that as i am not familiar with nano .. Aug 21 11:37:36 you are welcome Aug 21 11:38:21 NIN101: okay, its a typo, no problem Aug 21 11:41:03 NIN101: can you add the two shortcuts ctrl+i=tab and sym=esc to a readme in the documentation subdirectory? Aug 21 11:41:51 no rhetorics: in Germany the "conversion rules" are rather simple: N for mill=1, bill=2, trill=3, qatrill=4... value 10^((6 * N) + iard?3:0). How's the rule for US scheme? Aug 21 11:42:02 I have also the german keyboard and tab is here Shift + Space BluesLee Aug 21 11:43:17 NIN101: okay, strg+i does also the job Aug 21 11:43:21 N for mill=1, bill=2, trill=3, ...; value 10^(3*(N+1)) isn't all that more complicateded. Aug 21 11:43:35 NIN101: how are you handling the german kbd? Aug 21 11:44:11 fizzie: fails on milliard, billiard Aug 21 11:44:48 million, billion, trillion, milliard, billiard, trilliard, ???... Aug 21 11:45:03 BluesLee: I don't atm. But I have started to create a german keyboard map here: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ipCDfLRs , it is however not completed. Aug 21 11:45:15 I'm not even sure US-english knows of trilliards at all Aug 21 11:46:09 i put your rescue os on a spare 2gb sdhc, cool stuff NIN101 Aug 21 11:46:58 thx BluesLee. Today there will be a new verison, not debian based as it's too much bloat. Aug 21 11:47:35 is it impossible to run a second instance of maemo from sd using this method? Aug 21 11:47:41 GAN900, ping me when you're on Aug 21 11:49:25 DocScrutinizer: Those are just not used, so it's not a problem. "Billiard, what, the ball game?" That's the only sense for 'billiard' OED has. Aug 21 11:49:41 NIN101: i have no problem with that, 210mb is okay Aug 21 11:49:52 now it is 25. Aug 21 11:50:08 NIN101: thats better Aug 21 11:50:44 BluesLee: I wouldn't say a maemo on sd is impossible. However, nobody has done that yet AFAIK with fremantle. Aug 21 11:51:48 You'd need backupmenu images for your source, though Aug 21 11:54:35 BluesLee: I have this plan on my todo list since > 1 year to copy the complete maemo rootfs + /opt + /home to uSD and then try to boot it. Except some minor edits to initscripts there shouldn't be too many problems with that AIUI Aug 21 11:56:57 I discussed it with (iirc) GAN900 back when. It was a common practice for diablo, on N8x0 I've been told Aug 21 11:58:01 BluesLee: you'd need to create - or get - a kernel image to put into e.g. /boot/vmlinuz Aug 21 11:58:39 or /boot/uImage or whatever the filename fashion of the day Aug 21 11:59:38 DocScrutinizer: i mean, the additional benefit would be an image for experiments, nin101s rescue os should be enough for repairing stuff Aug 21 12:00:04 should, yeah. Probably even ought Aug 21 12:04:40 cool stuff in qt5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__NBFqCOGqs&feature=player_embedded Aug 21 12:06:41 BluesLee: another additional benefit was you could bindmount arbitrary files/directories from original NAND rootfs / $HOME and access them with the original tools. No matter whether it's calendar/contacts/messages-db or any other clumsy format that's not easily handled by coreutils+nano Aug 21 12:07:43 GAN900: ping Aug 21 12:08:42 DocScrutinizer: you mean like easy debian does it, a chrooted maemo image would be cool, just to test things on the fly Aug 21 12:09:10 I didn't think about any chroot Aug 21 12:09:33 just boot maemo from uSD as you usually would do with meego Aug 21 12:10:49 there are so many possibilities, i just dont know how to handle all the distros for the n900 Aug 21 12:21:19 MohammadAG: hi there Aug 21 12:22:41 I am running 20.2010.36-2maemo15 Aug 21 12:22:47 is there a newer version? Aug 21 12:25:07 Don't think so Aug 21 12:26:01 nope Aug 21 12:26:07 crashanddie_, ping Aug 21 12:35:50 jonne: want a can on ES? Aug 21 12:36:20 what? Aug 21 12:37:09 MohammadAG: pong Aug 21 12:38:00 crashanddie_, HP restocked Aug 21 12:38:06 hmm? Aug 21 12:39:10 joppu, what sort of can and what's an ES? Aug 21 12:40:04 it's a finnish inside joke Aug 21 12:40:59 the term jonne here refers to a stereotypical elementary schooler with a taste for EuroShopper enerhy drink Aug 21 12:41:30 oh, ok Aug 21 12:41:36 like Johnny here then Aug 21 12:43:02 Johnny? Aug 21 12:43:07 Who the fuck is Johnny? Aug 21 12:53:27 what shiould /etc/resolv.conf be? Aug 21 12:53:30 a soft link? Aug 21 12:53:40 a file with nameserver 127.0.0.1 ? Aug 21 12:58:41 yep Aug 21 13:08:55 thanks DocScrutinizer, I saw that this file may also be a soft link Aug 21 13:09:14 but think my is a file with the this one line Aug 21 13:09:26 sometimes i rm it by mistake Aug 21 13:11:43 docscrutinizer: btw, did you play with your r0ket already? Aug 21 13:27:37 x29a_: nope, no time for such fancy little games yet Aug 21 13:28:21 javispedro: moinmoin Aug 21 13:28:40 morning Aug 21 13:30:11 lcuk: you should really try one of those livescribe pens Aug 21 13:30:26 lcuk: my handwriting ;) : http://depot.javispedro.com/pen/meegoatoms.png Aug 21 13:39:45 javispedro, neat Aug 21 13:45:56 * javispedro finally gets osc build to work under gentoo... I can finally cancel the opensuse download :) Aug 21 13:58:53 any way i can turn on camera led manually Aug 21 13:59:20 i want to stream some video with gstreamer, and would like it on Aug 21 14:00:49 there some applications out there which can do this, so I think it is possible. Aug 21 14:02:04 yeah, the flashlight applet would be ideal Aug 21 14:02:38 except after ~ver0.2 it added a check for wheither the camera was in use Aug 21 14:02:58 and wont turn on the light if it is, even if used by gstreamer Aug 21 14:21:38 crashanddie_, pong? Aug 21 14:24:10 how to send an empty message? Aug 21 14:24:40 it doesn't let me, it says write the message, but i want to send an empty message Aug 21 15:05:39 is it possible to connect to GPRS and a wlan at the same time? Aug 21 15:06:49 i want to use the n900 as a gateway on an existing wireless network (with an AP) Aug 21 15:07:25 i know how to do the NAT (using power kernel), but don't know how to make it keep both connections active Aug 21 15:28:19 n900 isn`t loaded. what do? Aug 21 15:29:09 I am waiting for a replacement to my N900, and I am thinking this time to install the CSSU image. my question is, are the packages available for PR1.3 all to it? any major difference? Aug 21 15:40:06 CSSU doesn't come in an image format, nor is it officially supported by Nokia. It adds more functionality on top of PR1.3 (so in other words PR1.3 is pretty much a necessity). There are differences from one noticing fixes with modest, improvements on hildon-desktop (now with up to 9 home screens) and osso-camera has more features Aug 21 15:41:26 psycho_oreos, so I need to have PR1.3 Then add CSSU, right? Aug 21 15:41:27 there's even portrait mode support for certain applications so that's also an added benefit if you don't always like to hold your N900 in landscape mode. Aug 21 15:41:30 flasher and ubuntu isn`t detect phone Aug 21 15:41:42 smhar, yes Aug 21 15:42:00 nge, N900 is not a phone Aug 21 15:42:32 apart from that, you're not being specific on `not detecting the device' what are you trying to do? Aug 21 15:42:54 can someone help me configure fmms? i have t-mobile. everything i google is outdated and doesn't work. Aug 21 15:43:40 psycho_oreos, what is`t? Aug 21 15:44:10 I know how to configure fmms but only for my network (Crazy Johns/Vodaphone), I do believe some of the network policy settings is adjustable (albeit only three options) Aug 21 15:44:23 nge, N900 is _not_ a phone Aug 21 15:44:33 N900 is an internet tablet with phone functionality Aug 21 15:45:24 psycho_oreos, ok. http://paste.org.ru/?vjw8y1 Aug 21 15:46:26 psycho_oreos, device isn`t loaded and reboot Aug 21 15:47:55 * psycho_oreos scrolls through the humoungous list of un-necessary verbose information. Aug 21 15:48:09 nge, are you running linux through vmware/virtualbox or anything like that? Aug 21 15:48:56 psycho_oreos, no, linux is host Aug 21 15:49:15 nge, have you tried other USB -> uUSB cables? Aug 21 15:49:25 yes Aug 21 15:49:48 psycho_oreos, and other pc Aug 21 15:50:51 nge, I was about to ask that. What about that USB -> uUSB cable used on other appliances? like maybe a tablet, 3G wifi hotspot, etc? Aug 21 15:53:56 psycho_oreos, i`m have two standart nokia cables and one samsung. no Aug 21 15:54:42 what does your N900 do when you try to connect.. and what does dmesg on it show? Aug 21 15:54:59 GeneralAntilles: sorry, been busy with the wifey, wanted to tell you that BestBuy is selling the Touchpads again Aug 21 15:59:37 nge, what Sicelo asked ^ ^ ^ Aug 21 16:09:09 Sicelo, anything Aug 21 16:11:37 Sicelo, when try connect n900, it`s try load Aug 21 16:12:05 that didn't make sense Aug 21 16:12:49 dmesg is a command line tool under linux.. not a proper English word (if you were running a translation software of what we've said into Russian) Aug 21 16:15:09 psycho_oreos, I know that it does Aug 21 16:15:38 so what do you mean `it's try load' Aug 21 16:19:44 psycho_oreos, but as I understand, CSSU is the only way to keep N900 somehow uptodate after Nokia stopped their support for the device, am I correct? Aug 21 16:20:24 smhar, through community efforts that has no correlation/affliation/connection or any kind with Nokia. Yes Aug 21 16:21:33 psycho_oreos, but is there any plan to make CSSU a distro? I mean releasing new features and a full update image somewhere in the future Aug 21 16:22:32 smhar, the way Nokia makes its firmware remains secret and proprietary. Nobody has even managed to figure out how to create a proper firmware image like nokia does. So I'd consider that highly unlikely Aug 21 16:23:38 that is really sad. to have such a wonderful device and not being able to improve it fully Aug 21 16:25:17 smhar, if you haven't realised, that's nokia for you. Their lack of patience and persistence causes people to be pissed off Aug 21 16:30:16 psycho_oreos, I know, sadly, I 've been beaten so many times by them Aug 21 16:35:36 smhar, so you should already be aware rather than be dismayed :) Aug 21 18:16:36 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Aug 21 18:57:20 yo Aug 21 18:57:36 how do I stop the sudo command asking for my password? Aug 21 19:02:26 sudo didnt used to ask for a password Aug 21 19:02:42 now after a reflash it keeps asking for a password Aug 21 19:02:54 this totally buttfucks some of my scripts Aug 21 19:03:27 by editing /etc/sudoers, however afaik that is not recommended on maemo, so better add a file in /etc/sudoers.d. the command "root" does not ask for passsword if all you want is to have a root shell. Aug 21 19:04:50 and then run update-sudoers Aug 21 19:06:36 vi__: man sudo Aug 21 19:07:16 also see NIN101 ^^^ Aug 21 19:08:15 there's nozjing new supposed to be introduced by reflashing, just old things you installed might have gone Aug 21 19:08:26 nothing* Aug 21 19:09:25 DocScrutinizer: i can't set 'root' & 'sudo gainroot' to ask for pwd anymore.. the command to set it works fine.. but still password not asked for.. it was fine before i installed sudser.. and hasn't been even after removing sudser. any ideas? Aug 21 19:10:17 nfi what's sudser - and I dealt with it like explained in my tools page Aug 21 19:10:29 NIN101: thankyou, i made an entry in /etc/sudoers Aug 21 19:10:47 vi__: so you lost Aug 21 19:11:02 rditing /etc/sudoaers is 1st step to doom Aug 21 19:11:30 lol Aug 21 19:11:49 next boot will either revert that edit, or fuck up your system so you need to reflash Aug 21 19:12:07 edit etc/sudoers.d/* Aug 21 19:12:17 the run update-sudoers Aug 21 19:12:20 then* Aug 21 19:12:42 what i meant was Aug 21 19:13:01 /etc/sudoers.d/newfile.sudoers Aug 21 19:13:12 ahh ok then Aug 21 19:13:37 im not as dumb as the empirical evidence would suggest Aug 21 19:18:53 :-) Aug 21 19:19:25 just maemo sometimes is more wily than you'd expect Aug 21 20:03:57 I have just done the apt-get install kernel-power-settings but I am still getting a error about insmod. this is to get masquerading working between my laptop and the gprs on the n900 Aug 21 20:04:37 do I have to insmod or reboot the phone -- or both' Aug 21 20:05:28 howdy folks, I was wondering if the n900 could be used to tether over bluetooth? I have an Android tablet and android doesn't like the adhoc network from "Mobile Hotspot" Aug 21 20:19:45 rtyler: look for bluetooth dial-up networking package Aug 21 20:23:18 I've got that installed actually, digging through docs on maemo.org Aug 21 20:31:14 hmm, on the android device, after pairing it says "paired but not connected" bummer Aug 21 20:31:28 the n900 only lists the OPP profile for the android device too Aug 21 20:31:31 * rtyler digs some more Aug 21 20:31:34 here it works flawlessly Aug 21 20:31:37 ubuntu box Aug 21 20:31:41 osx box Aug 21 20:31:51 winVista slate Aug 21 20:32:01 hm Aug 21 20:32:02 don't know anything about androids, though Aug 21 20:32:49 was there any additional setup you required other than just pairing them? Aug 21 20:33:11 no, at least I don't remember any particular setup or difficulty Aug 21 20:33:23 it just worked OOTB Aug 21 20:33:43 drats Aug 21 20:33:56 I wonder if this might be fuxord due to the advanced kernel package Aug 21 20:34:15 N900 should be not connected to the internet when connecting the outer device Aug 21 20:34:23 KP47 here Aug 21 20:34:43 correct, I've got the device disconnected from the data link Aug 21 20:40:41 aha, it looks like the DUN profile must not be sent to the android device Aug 21 20:40:59 there are no profiles that show up here: http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bluetooth-xoom8-600x375.png Aug 21 20:42:29 psycho_oreos r you here it's steverm with the weird connection problem on n900 earlier Aug 21 20:46:48 jurop88: yeah, looks like there's just no profiles being sent to the tablet Aug 21 20:49:01 rtyler: dun profile is correctly recognized by linux and mac osx boxes (and I think vista slate, too) Aug 21 20:49:10 rtyler: prone to think it's android limit Aug 21 21:02:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaeOXyA7wo0&feature=youtube_gdata_player Aug 21 21:02:12 heh Aug 21 21:42:13 yo Aug 21 21:42:24 I am trying to run a script at boot Aug 21 21:42:45 this script will mount bind a directory in opt to Mydocs Aug 21 21:43:27 mount --bind /opt/maps_osm /user/home/MyDocs/.maps Aug 21 21:43:43 this allows me to store all the maps in opt Aug 21 21:44:10 I have a script in Xsession.post called 80mount Aug 21 21:44:56 it contains the line echo "blah/path/script/mount.sh" | root | echo "" Aug 21 21:45:12 if I run this script manually it works Aug 21 21:45:32 i.e. i type path to xsession script Aug 21 21:45:55 however at boot IT JUST DOESNT FUCKING WORK Aug 21 21:46:06 the script is running Aug 21 21:46:30 i have added a test routine to touch a file when it executes Aug 21 21:46:55 does anyone have any suggestions as to why this does not work? Aug 21 21:47:09 is there even anyone listening? Aug 21 21:47:29 sure you can pipe to "root"? Aug 21 21:47:55 well the fact i can excute it from xterm shows I can Aug 21 21:48:50 are xsession scripts run as root or user? Aug 21 21:52:40 hmm indeed it is possible to pipe th at. Well, create a Xsession script with whoami and find that out... or edit a bootscript like rcS-late Aug 21 21:54:29 also why do you want to bind mount that? /home/opt is bind mounted to /opt, it should be possible to work with symlinks here. Aug 21 22:18:04 GAN900: ping Aug 21 22:20:11 MohammadAG: ping Aug 21 22:43:26 can i trust the last-full value of my battery on my n900? Aug 21 22:44:13 depends on how you understand this value Aug 21 22:52:15 jacekowski: well, is it any indicator if i should get a new battery Aug 21 22:53:17 nusse_: not really Aug 21 22:53:32 is kexec still broken in n900 kernels? Aug 21 22:56:04 have any of you had an N900 that even when on the factory wall charger gives the nokia (without backlight) background and no orange charging led. Then just the orange charging led, then the orange led, plus the non-backlit nokia, rinse, repeat Aug 21 22:56:59 I suspect I need to re-flash the device, but I can't keep it powered on long enough to initialize. It started this midway through a dist-upgrade. Aug 21 22:58:27 LarsN: happens for me all the time Aug 21 22:58:45 nusse_: any suggestions? Aug 21 22:58:48 i suspect powerkernel Aug 21 22:59:04 just leave it there for an hour and it might boot Aug 21 22:59:26 wouldn't flashing the image replace the kernel with the default? Aug 21 22:59:45 yes Aug 21 22:59:47 because I did that friday first, in an attempt to start over from zero. Aug 21 22:59:52 well at least i guess Aug 21 22:59:57 flashed the device. blew aways /home/users/* Aug 21 23:00:17 apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (after installing the gainroot package) Aug 21 23:00:25 crash mid way through. Aug 21 23:03:22 never use apt-get upgrade on maemo... Aug 21 23:04:10 NIN101: ok..... Now that the damage is done... Do you agree it may have charged enough in the last two days that a flash might get it to boot again? Aug 21 23:04:19 does anybody have cheap n900 for sale? Aug 21 23:05:10 LarsN: I don't know... Aug 21 23:05:39 LarsN: How much % do you think it still have Aug 21 23:06:21 battery? Aug 21 23:06:22 no idea Aug 21 23:06:35 I thought it was at 50% or more when I was upgrading it friday Aug 21 23:06:43 it's been on the desktop charger since friday evening. Aug 21 23:06:50 hmm. Aug 21 23:06:58 worst case I'll go buy an external Battery charger for it. Aug 21 23:07:26 javispedro, pong? Aug 21 23:07:30 so it does not boot LarsN? Aug 21 23:07:50 it starts to, white nokia screen Aug 21 23:07:54 then powers off Aug 21 23:07:58 ok this means it does not boot Aug 21 23:08:00 before the music. Aug 21 23:08:47 GeneralAntilles: http://www.amazon.com/HP-FB356UT-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUHS/ Aug 21 23:09:20 Who the hell is onSale? Aug 21 23:09:43 yeah, ships US only and sounds .. uneasy. Aug 21 23:09:57 Would if it were a reputable dealer Aug 21 23:10:00 Never heard of onSale Aug 21 23:10:42 i'm looking for cheap N900 in the UK Aug 21 23:10:52 same price http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/hewlett-packard-hp-16gb-touchpad-with-wi-fi-16gb-wifi/10173116.aspx?path=24aa74e36d1cba4ce76fdd5a9f3298cfen02 Aug 21 23:12:12 rumour has it the supposed 200,000 bestbuy units will be sold via hp.com Aug 21 23:12:15 http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad-availability.html?jumpid=ex_r11694_go_touchpad-availability Aug 21 23:12:34 LarsN: So I really don't know if you should try reflashing the rootfs. If you have a microsd you could install meego on it by using your PC, and boot that because it can charge the batttery. Maybe you have enough power for a reflash, maybe not... Aug 21 23:29:00 NIN101: if I install Meego on the SD card, how do I select that OS to boot from? Aug 21 23:29:12 done't I need a separate boot loader to choose? or is there a keyboard shortcut? Aug 21 23:29:15 this is documented. Aug 21 23:30:28 NIN101: I've not tried installing MeeGo at all, so.... I haven't looked at, or even considered looking for the documents. Aug 21 23:30:39 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC I suggest you read everything Aug 21 23:31:02 I'm pretty sure nuclear fusion reactors are documented too. :) Thanks for the link, will read that before I dive into anything further :) Aug 21 23:35:04 This is wise ;). Aug 22 00:06:38 ( NIN101: ok..... Now that the damage is done... Do you agree it may have charged enough in the last two days that a flash might get it to boot again?) If NOLO refuses to stay on NOKIA screen with USB logo when you hold 'U' key while booting, then batery is too low Aug 22 00:06:43 simple as that **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 01:29:03 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 01:29:35 2011 Aug 22 02:04:09 * javispedro sighs at the stupidity of android Aug 22 02:05:10 so when I pointed to these guys that the touchpad not only already has an android kernel but even has most android garbage enabled (like ashm), I am laughed off as a troll. Aug 22 02:05:54 maybe I should thank god I didn't get to the part where I wonder why they ask for donations if HP's done most of the job. Aug 22 02:06:25 * javispedro also sighs at the stupidity of HP. Aug 22 02:07:04 I bet this is the reason why Palm employees are quoted as saying they hated HP's hardware. They were forced to get an Android kernel to get hw support for the chipset HP choosed. Aug 22 02:07:14 so Aug 22 02:07:30 if you were wondering when would Android start damaging the Linux kernel, wonder no more. Aug 22 02:57:13 haha Aug 22 02:57:34 they want donations for vaporware? Aug 22 02:57:44 webos is actually nkt that bad Aug 22 02:57:59 i dont see what the big deal is Aug 22 02:58:04 :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 02:59:56 2011