**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 24 02:59:57 2011 Aug 24 05:36:24 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/23/lenovo_thinkpad_tablet_goes_on_sale/ Aug 24 05:43:50 what's the battery life expected to be? Aug 24 05:44:13 I think they have it mentioned on their site Aug 24 05:46:27 sexy hardware, not so sexy OS Aug 24 05:47:37 unless always innovating finally releases their touchbook v2 it's what I'm planing on getting Aug 24 06:03:38 ruskie: I've had too many Thinkpads fail to even consider it :p Aug 24 06:05:25 hardware is easy... getting a decent workable UI is hard Aug 24 06:06:03 nah, KDE works good enough Aug 24 06:10:50 KDE seems to want a keyboard Aug 24 06:12:30 Honeycomb blows enough that it is making iOS shine :/ Aug 24 06:13:35 I tried cyanogenmod on a nook. The end result was I wanted to port maemo to the nook. Aug 24 06:16:56 damn you nokia, you're making get very close to buying an android device... made by your competition... Aug 24 06:18:10 ds3: a computer without a keyboard is as useful as a 2nd monitor Aug 24 06:18:30 doc|home: like you have a choice? Aug 24 06:19:16 luke-jr: nope Aug 24 06:19:17 nada Aug 24 06:19:56 doc|home: I'll probably give in and buy some Android device that I think I can get Gentoo/KDE running on eventually Aug 24 06:20:53 luke-jr: I don't have that kind of free time. I want a device that mostly just works. Aug 24 06:22:14 same here Aug 24 06:22:26 but no choice is no choice Aug 24 06:22:43 maybe I'll finally get self-sufficient so I won't need $ and can get rid of computers altogether? :p Aug 24 06:22:45 not happy with just android? Aug 24 06:22:52 not at all, android is a phone Aug 24 06:23:29 * edwinsage hugs his N800 Aug 24 06:23:38 what's the problem with it on a tablet? I've only used one for about an hour, had no major issues with it, though never could figure out how to close a damn app Aug 24 06:23:46 edwinsage: have one, too slow :( Aug 24 06:24:27 doc|home: I don't like tablets. or anything w/o a kb. Aug 24 06:24:36 edwinsage: N800 was obsolete before it was released :P Aug 24 06:24:50 edwinsage: Zaurus SL-C760 was better in every way, and released years before Aug 24 06:24:55 luke-jr: then that's a whole other issue than just android :) Aug 24 06:24:58 doc|home: See, all you've got to do is use a desktop that's 600mHz like the one I was using for 8 months. The N800 will seem fine. Aug 24 06:25:07 edwinsage: hah Aug 24 06:25:23 the tablet I want to get also has an attachable keyboard, which is why I like it (asus transformer 2) Aug 24 06:25:29 doc|home: I want a portable PC, nothing less :P Aug 24 06:25:47 edwinsage: but C760 does everything N800 does :P Aug 24 06:25:54 and yes, I could just get a laptop, but then I don't have the tablet compactness for when I want to just browse the web Aug 24 06:26:08 Yeah, the N800 was a bit more frustrating before I got the bluetooth keyboard. Aug 24 06:26:32 Now it's my little hacker's best friend. Aug 24 06:27:00 C760 = N800 + builtin kb :p Aug 24 06:27:29 luke-jr: What's a C760? Aug 24 06:27:37 edwinsage: I just told you :P Aug 24 06:28:49 c760 is pretty cool Aug 24 06:28:53 http://www.google.com/search?q=Zaurus+SL-C760&tbm=isch Aug 24 06:30:39 Looks like the C760's got half as much RAM. Aug 24 06:31:12 it was 2003 tho. Aug 24 06:31:36 I'm a little upset with barnes & noble Aug 24 06:31:53 edwinsage: well, there was a few models after C760 with slightly better hw specs Aug 24 06:32:00 IIRC at least one matched N800 closer Aug 24 06:32:17 The Ben NanoNote looks kind of similar. Aug 24 06:32:30 faina: that came after N800 Aug 24 06:33:49 It reminded me of the c760 Aug 24 06:37:02 keyboard isn't relaly needed for most things Aug 24 06:37:19 heavy coding seems to be the main exception Aug 24 06:37:37 heavy IRC too Aug 24 06:38:02 not sure about that Aug 24 06:38:24 have to try IM in general without a keyboard Aug 24 06:39:16 IM sort of works quite OK on my N950, but IRC is a bit different Aug 24 06:39:27 how so? Aug 24 06:41:00 granted, I cannot get use to the T9/numeric pad style KBs Aug 24 06:43:34 different conversation culture IMHO Aug 24 06:44:18 the irc networks I hang out on tend to have full sentences Aug 24 06:44:43 i'm waiting for a meego for transformer Aug 24 06:44:44 :) Aug 24 06:45:18 writing that into my terminal using the OSK feels painfully slow Aug 24 06:46:07 also IRC is point to multipoint most of the time Aug 24 06:50:21 I use full sentences on IM Aug 24 06:50:30 I treat IM as IRC /msg's Aug 24 06:50:46 biggest difference is the lower usage of '/'s Aug 24 06:52:50 yes, still for me timing is mor relaxed on /msg and IM most of the time compared to channels where sometimes it gets quite quick Aug 24 06:53:34 this slow conversation would be entirely manageable, add a few people and a faster pace and it becomes painfull Aug 24 06:54:24 the predictive stuff on the N900 helps with that Aug 24 06:54:39 OTH, I do not like how the OSK eats up screen area Aug 24 07:02:16 on the n950 that's a bit better in portrait IMHO Aug 24 07:03:00 portrait is very nice imo. Aug 24 07:03:07 I never use landscape Aug 24 07:03:31 landscape<3 Aug 24 07:03:34 landscap OSK totally sucks on N950 Aug 24 07:04:04 well I think it's ok to write on, but it uses a lot of screen Aug 24 07:05:04 that's what I meant Aug 24 07:05:10 it takes up all the screen Aug 24 07:05:14 eyup Aug 24 07:07:15 I would like to try it in a 7 inch or larger display Aug 24 07:17:07 morning Aug 24 07:31:28 hey guys, i'm getting this error http://pastebin.com/8Svb5zXY each time i run apt-get update, tried googling but no solution Aug 24 07:33:56 elzalem: as it says is the pub key for downloads.maemo.nokia.com missing, you can either not care about it or download it from somewhere or install via apt (I have no idea, usually there is a package "keyring" in debian style repos...) Aug 24 07:35:04 if i just ignore it will i still be getting the updates/packages of that repo Aug 24 07:43:36 sure Aug 24 07:43:48 k thanks chem|st Aug 24 07:51:13 moo Aug 24 07:51:36 moo Aug 24 07:51:51 what happened to your nick? Aug 24 07:52:14 he married john? Aug 24 07:54:31 I'd suspect a more commercial contract - CBA to locateip the hostmask Aug 24 07:54:39 :-D Aug 24 07:54:44 hi crashanddie Aug 24 07:55:41 sup doc Aug 24 07:55:43 rm_you|johnx: /msg nickserv id rm_you SeCrEtPaSsWoRd Aug 24 07:56:13 or you can use /quote to prevent your passwd being shown from your IRC client Aug 24 07:57:17 then /msg nickserv group Aug 24 08:00:23 lol Aug 24 08:00:41 lol? Aug 24 08:02:01 crashanddie: I need a (ideally dropin) replacement for a Radeon X300 SE, any comments? Aug 24 08:02:17 linux Aug 24 08:02:29 because your card died? Aug 24 08:02:46 customer's Aug 24 08:02:51 well Aug 24 08:03:03 customer's, so... What about an ati radeon x300 se? Aug 24 08:03:14 hard to find Aug 24 08:03:19 they're $70 Aug 24 08:03:30 way too expensive Aug 24 08:03:32 ok Aug 24 08:03:45 then a geforce 6200 Aug 24 08:03:58 ok, will lok for that one Aug 24 08:03:58 roughly $40 Aug 24 08:04:08 look even Aug 24 08:04:20 That's like 7 years old though... Aug 24 08:05:52 found Sapphire HD5450 for 30€, not exactly a dropin replacement but the right pricetag Aug 24 08:06:00 WTF $70 is too expensive for a customer? Aug 24 08:06:24 customer == some random person? Aug 24 08:06:24 rm_you, he's repairing a nearly 10 yo computer Aug 24 08:06:34 yeah I suppose :/ Aug 24 08:06:36 I doubt this is a company, more like granny down the road Aug 24 08:06:37 yeah, I'd suggest a new mobo for ~100 bucks otherwise Aug 24 08:06:43 but like... video card... Aug 24 08:06:49 they don't get too much cheaper Aug 24 08:06:58 sure they do Aug 24 08:07:07 nvidia cards are generally better in linux, and cheaper, but not drop-in Aug 24 08:07:23 linux ati drivers are pain Aug 24 08:07:50 so what, this is PCIe? Aug 24 08:08:04 Does the mobo have an AGP prot? Aug 24 08:08:09 seems it's PCIe yes Aug 24 08:08:12 s/pro/por/ Aug 24 08:08:13 crashanddie meant: Does the mobo have an AGP port? Aug 24 08:08:36 well, it's an X300, so roughly the equivalent of a Radeon 9700 but in PCIe rather than AGP. Aug 24 08:10:11 * DocScrutinizer gets nervous and starts checking card's connector against PCIe and AGP pictures Aug 24 08:10:19 early PCIe mobos usually shipped with AGP ports as well, it might be cheaper to find an old AGP-compatible card (and hence, drop-in) Aug 24 08:10:22 AGP is brown. Aug 24 08:10:26 PCIe isn't. Aug 24 08:10:48 I only have the card in front of me Aug 24 08:10:53 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125359 Aug 24 08:11:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AGP-Video-Card.jpg Aug 24 08:11:12 random "freezes" if you wondered Aug 24 08:11:42 yoh this is PCIe Aug 24 08:11:43 its the way they are split thats a give away Aug 24 08:11:47 crashanddie: thanks Aug 24 08:11:50 the connectors Aug 24 08:12:14 wrong button Aug 24 08:12:27 DocScrutinizer: and whats the issue with getting a new-ish PCIe card? Aug 24 08:12:39 price Aug 24 08:12:39 old mobo wouldn't support it Aug 24 08:12:49 i would guess price Aug 24 08:12:58 crashanddie: something like a 8400 or 7600 would be supported Aug 24 08:13:07 just ideally cheap, linux compatible, drop-in replacement even better so I don't need to reconfigure X11 Aug 24 08:13:36 unless it's the exact same card, i would worry about ATI Aug 24 08:13:42 nvidia is a little more... reliable IMO Aug 24 08:13:53 but it will require a tiny bit of reconfiguratio n Aug 24 08:13:54 I consider going for PCIe Sapphire HD5450 Aug 24 08:13:58 depending on distro Aug 24 08:14:07 just be careful of some ATI cards Aug 24 08:14:32 that's an ATI :-/ Aug 24 08:14:36 what about the Quadro? Aug 24 08:15:21 what's the price of the quadro fx 5600? Aug 24 08:15:30 lemme check Aug 24 08:15:36 ouch, $1200 Aug 24 08:16:20 but then again, that thing has 128 cores, so maybe overkill Aug 24 08:16:55 look at the cheapest pci-e nvidia quadro you can find Aug 24 08:17:08 I always tend to spend stupid amounts of money on graphics cards (although not that stupid) and within a couple of weeks i find myself only playing nethack... Aug 24 08:17:17 that should be dirt cheap, they'd probably give them away at your local computer store Aug 24 08:17:36 radiofree: hah lol Aug 24 08:17:43 well I game a lot, so I really need em Aug 24 08:17:48 local dealer just has HD5450 and a nVidia Geforce G210 for less than 50 bucks Aug 24 08:18:46 then go for the hd5450 Aug 24 08:18:46 radiofree: office box, no need for fancy GFX Aug 24 08:19:03 crashanddie: that's what I thought Aug 24 08:19:03 DocScrutinizer, check the graphics drivers through SSH Aug 24 08:19:14 DocScrutinizer: was a joke Aug 24 08:19:18 DocScrutinizer, you may want to ensure that the drivers that are installed support that card Aug 24 08:20:01 crashanddie: the good side of this problem: the old X300 runs for several minutes until it freezes Aug 24 08:20:09 ah, goody Aug 24 08:20:22 Are you sure it's card then? Aug 24 08:20:40 not entirely, but the system happily runs on Aug 24 08:21:01 it's just the video that goes all black and doesn't recover Aug 24 08:21:25 so: monitor, graca, PCIe port Aug 24 08:21:53 monitor got ruled out, hoping it's not the mobo's PCIe slot that has some hickup Aug 24 08:22:21 Well, PCIe is DMA Aug 24 08:22:22 card got *very* hot (passive cooling) so I guess it's done by now Aug 24 08:22:33 so if something was wrong with that, the whole system would die within seconds Aug 24 08:22:46 my thinking Aug 24 08:23:14 man, DocScrutinizer Aug 24 08:23:27 It's like you pushed me way back way into the early oo's Aug 24 08:23:41 :-D Aug 24 08:45:47 when connect to my Debian, why I cannot see the eMMC partition except FAT? Aug 24 08:46:17 eMMC == FAT.. but FAT32 more precisely than FAT Aug 24 08:52:31 psycho_oreos: I thought the /home in Ext3, and its must be Aug 24 08:53:21 jiero, /home|/opt are ext3, but /home/user/MyDocs (which is eMMC) sits in a different partition on the same chip as /home|/opt and is set to FAT32 by default Aug 24 08:55:01 psycho_oreos: but NAND Rom only 256 MB, must have on the eMMC-Chip which is 32 GB, I don't understand you. Aug 24 08:56:09 jiero, NAND is only rootfs which means every directory under / except /home and /opt Aug 24 08:57:01 psycho_oreos: yes, I understood, /usr/opt /opt /home/usr/opt are same Aug 24 08:57:31 psycho_oreos: so i shall see /opt at least. Aug 24 08:57:35 jiero, and those 3 directories does not sit on NAND, they actually sit on the eMMC Aug 24 08:59:01 jiero, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_filesystem <-- explains it quite cleanly fyi Aug 24 08:59:38 s/cleanly/clearly/ Aug 24 08:59:39 psycho_oreos meant: jiero, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_filesystem <-- explains it quite clearly fyi Aug 24 09:09:35 I knew that... Aug 24 09:09:48 but thanks Aug 24 09:11:27 so how can you not understand that? lol Aug 24 09:12:12 Im confused probably because I misunderstood you, dude. Aug 24 09:13:45 -_- Aug 24 09:15:37 psycho_oreos: are you Linux Desktop user? Aug 24 09:16:27 jiero, yes Aug 24 09:17:14 I have linux on literally every device that I own :) Aug 24 09:17:17 psycho_oreos: Did I ask you to review http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?f=168&t=342349? My design of WM/DE Aug 24 09:17:25 no Aug 24 09:17:34 psycho_oreos: ok, please help me then :-D Aug 24 09:18:22 you did paste that link and asked for people's opinions. I had a look and was confused at the proposed UI layout, I may have a better understanding if you had an actual example (even `photoshopped' will do) of how it all works Aug 24 09:18:42 where is mobilehotspot - which repo? Aug 24 09:19:26 psycho_oreos: ok. I better make it in animation but I even don't know how to get a host :D Aug 24 09:19:29 it's not coming up in extras or extras-devel Aug 24 09:20:05 jiero, what do you mean getting a host? you don't have a linux environment to work with hence you have that proposed layout? Aug 24 09:20:49 hi Aug 24 09:20:51 is there way to change caller id from hidden to shown from commandline? Aug 24 09:21:05 psycho_oreos: this is just a proposal, it need works; GNOME3 folks told me if I can finish this in 5 months Im lucky. Aug 24 09:21:14 theres widget for it, so i think it could be done also via shell Aug 24 09:21:39 jpinx, seems like its in nokia's repo Aug 24 09:22:23 Hmm -- what's thr url to add for that? Aug 24 09:22:36 jiero, ahh, well I'm no good at imagination for UI designs without actual examples :) Aug 24 09:24:39 jpinx, looks like I'm wrong, see here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/mobilehotspot/ Aug 24 09:25:03 psycho_oreos: its not about UI, its another way to work/use: with Window Switcher like FIrefox's tab group, and able to span and zoom; and window group replaced traditional virtual desktops. Aug 24 09:25:14 if you can't see those in your device, you probably need to refresh apt listings Aug 24 09:26:06 jiero, in other words a more interactive UI? its still UI design at the end of day to me :) Aug 24 09:28:12 psycho_oreos: yeah, its still UI design. :D any comments? Aug 24 09:29:48 jiero: would it actually be all that different to e.g. how expose works in compiz? Aug 24 09:29:54 jiero, well it goes back to what I've said before :) I can't visualise in my head without actual screenshot or somesort of proof Aug 24 09:32:46 psycho_oreos: ok. __not important after __I have to try it first to see if I implement this as GNOME-shell extension, how much have to change as Design. Aug 24 09:34:21 jiero, I've never played with Gnome3 as well :) though older copies of gnome I've tinkered with and I'm guessing its still very much the same? :) Aug 24 09:34:50 psycho_oreos: reading that pagebut I can't see where to get the package Aug 24 09:35:01 I already have the enhanced kernel Aug 24 09:35:09 psycho_oreos: nope, I installed GNOME3 yesterday, there are some smart changes. Aug 24 09:35:22 jpinx, have you tried refreshing your apt lists? Aug 24 09:35:44 jiero, hmm ok looks like I'll have to go google up some screenies Aug 24 09:35:58 yep Aug 24 09:36:05 just did an update Aug 24 09:37:58 psycho_oreos: screenshot even video cannot tell much... because UI is interactive :D Aug 24 09:38:24 I watched GNOME3 video but didn't understand Aug 24 09:39:16 is there a list of n900 hardware models and differances anywhere? Aug 24 09:40:03 jiero, which is why that is the only thing I have to go by unless I install gnome 3 which is unlikely. Looking at the screenshots and comparing to what you said for improvements, I barely understood your idea of window switcher. For window group, I'm confused and can only associate that with the likes of windows and their default preference to grouping similar programs to the same windows thing on the bottom Aug 24 09:40:07 I don't know. Aug 24 09:41:07 psycho_oreos: I have extras in there with free and non-free, but mobilehotspto is not showing :( any clues? Aug 24 09:41:11 psycho_oreos: in my design, only show you those window associate with current work- hand pick necessary though Aug 24 09:41:39 psycho_oreos: so I will use zeitgeist, thats also a reason I want to be with GNOME3 Aug 24 09:42:18 is there way to change caller id from hidden to shown from commandline? Aug 24 09:42:20 jpinx, so extras repo is enabled and you haven't run out of space or something? how did you refresh, through apt-get I hope? Aug 24 09:42:23 theres widget for it, so i think it could be done also via shell Aug 24 09:42:41 jiero, and zeitgeist reminds me of that weird documentary film lol Aug 24 09:43:00 psycho_oreos: update in the gui Aug 24 09:43:46 jpinx, ok I'd use apt-get myself. They are far more verbose than what GUI provides (the only exception is if you used fapman/FAM and checked the logs) Aug 24 09:44:17 Vib3, I'd look at widget's source code or maybe `string' it out Aug 24 09:44:34 psycho_oreos: I used to have sezen as startup application -sezen is a zeitgeist based file manager which show recent working documents. This whole design is not for traditional linux user, but for those focusing on current tasks and using Mouse and Touch method to control. Aug 24 09:45:00 psycho_oreos: thx, where are widgets stored? Aug 24 09:46:18 jiero, ahh ok. I guess I'll just have to really see the end result lol. In most cases I'm quite happy to dwell in CLI for many reasons so this might even be a reason as to why I'm having issues visualising UI designs even interactive. Aug 24 09:46:49 Vib3, they're stored in various parts of the filesystem. I'd look for the name of the package and then dump the contents of the package Aug 24 09:47:17 with the name of the package you can do many things, such as dumping the list of files, or even searching for source codes (provided if they are even open) Aug 24 09:50:06 psycho_oreos: Its another design, which was never be done so far - unless my limited knowledge on tablets proven me wrong. Initally I want to design as an alternative interface to Meego Tablet. now I see this could also use with GNOME-Shell. Aug 24 09:52:42 jiero, ahh, but still I'm just fairly clueless with it all really.. there's like up to a handful of various GUI programs for the same task (such as file managers for instance) its just not funny to have to imagine it all in place of a UI regardless if its interactive or not imo Aug 24 09:56:46 psycho_oreos: I cannot imagine either, so I need help, current the proposal do not cover window overlap and 2 windows interactive, it would be hard if people need this feature. I spent only 5 minutes did this design and haven't get one change yet... Aug 24 09:58:27 jiero, I'm afraid you're asking the wrong person as well :| I don't have gnome 3 installed, in fact I use fluxbox) and I have a few console sessions open here and there Aug 24 09:59:22 psycho_oreos: Not about the GNOME-shell, I haven't tried GNOME-shell when I had this idea. Aug 24 10:01:26 ok, so you would prefer tiling wm I guess, probably you will try that later. Firstly, the thread was answered by Awesome - a popular tiling WM, users; could try to get it up with awesome though. Aug 24 10:01:27 psycho_oreos: k, cant find it :/ tried to search from repository with pc Aug 24 10:01:53 psycho_oreos: thank you. I shall read more GNOME3 documents now. Aug 24 10:02:50 jiero, maybe lol. I'm fairly indifferent to WM/DE, I just pick a lightweight one (usually) and stick with it Aug 24 10:03:04 jiero, sorry I can't be of more help though Aug 24 10:04:08 Vib3, maybe its under a different name. There's a few other choices includiing manually sifting through a big list of installed programs on your device :) Aug 24 10:05:31 psycho_oreos: tiling wm is totally different, you don't need mouse anymore as in awesome. Aug 24 10:05:50 no window will overlap each other : Aug 24 10:06:07 ahh Aug 24 10:38:30 Recently, many fun games have been ported to N900. Kind of too late:D Aug 24 10:41:26 psycho_oreos: k, whats syntax to download from http://repository.maemo.org ? Aug 24 10:43:24 I hate to think of N900 as being a dedicated gaming device. It wasn't built just for that sole purpose, but when it missed the boat to grab people's hearts, that's where all the other potentially cool programs never gets to see the light of the day. Aug 24 10:43:28 Vib3, apt-get Aug 24 10:43:28 or you can probably do wget if you know the exact link :p Aug 24 10:45:11 psycho_oreos: i don't use it do programming because I don't do it, I will use it to draw, note and play. Thats all I knew how to use it:D Aug 24 10:45:51 psycho_oreos: found the link, its written in c, checking it out :) Aug 24 10:46:08 do they still make the n900? Aug 24 10:46:20 jiero, you don't have to program :) Though the obvious contrast is that your N900 can do plenty of other things apart from just games Aug 24 10:46:23 no Aug 24 10:46:29 bummer :( Aug 24 10:46:45 you can still find them on fleabay and amazon though Aug 24 10:46:52 ok Aug 24 10:46:56 are they cheaper now? Aug 24 10:47:00 although 'new' ones are becoming some what of a rarity Aug 24 10:47:01 even through buy & sell tmo threads Aug 24 10:47:03 i always thought about getting one. Aug 24 10:47:12 em, what country? Aug 24 10:47:15 USA Aug 24 10:47:20 psycho_oreos: I just know I can program python/lua game and test onlive as on LARGER PC:D Aug 24 10:48:01 jiero, shame if you don't port it across to N900 ;) Aug 24 10:48:08 vi___: USA Aug 24 10:48:25 I don't know what the script is with USA. In UK a BRAND new one will cost around £250, good second hand 150-200, ssecond hand 100-150, broken 50-90. Aug 24 10:48:52 It is so awesome evenb the broken ones command a reasonable price! Aug 24 10:48:52 that's like 500 bucks I think. Aug 24 10:49:00 more like 420 Aug 24 10:49:04 ok Aug 24 10:49:15 £<->$ exchange aint so great right now Aug 24 10:49:18 well that's a bit expensive still. Aug 24 10:49:34 bought mine new, southern africa, for usd490 :( Aug 24 10:49:36 well, it is the greatest piece of pocket hardware ever made. Aug 24 10:49:54 Sicelo: still boxed? Aug 24 10:49:56 despite minor flaws its still very good for what it is Aug 24 10:50:01 compared to 100 dollar HP Touchpads that Barnes and Noble said they sold me and then reneged. Aug 24 10:50:54 yeah.. really new.. no doubt there.. actually no one is buying it here. shop still has at least two remaining Aug 24 10:51:18 Sicelo: Unopened, still in box? Aug 24 10:51:31 yes Aug 24 10:51:33 if so, 490 seems about right Aug 24 10:51:38 does maemo only run on these n* ? Aug 24 10:51:42 em yes Aug 24 10:51:48 well im sorry to hear that. Aug 24 10:52:05 em: you know/use linux? Aug 24 10:52:26 You are all very talented and good people and I hope that your efforts will flourish in your next project. Aug 24 10:52:37 I do use Linux. I don't feel like I know it that well. Aug 24 10:52:42 em: what is more important to you? a pocket computer or a phone? Aug 24 10:52:44 maemo runs on Nokia Nxxx devices not Nxx or even N8 Aug 24 10:52:50 A pocket computer. Aug 24 10:53:07 you know linux+you want a pocket computer. You sound like you need an n900. Aug 24 10:53:10 and apart from Nokia 770 the rest of the maemo generations were for Nxxx series Aug 24 10:53:28 em: do you own an android device? Aug 24 10:53:31 psycho_oreos: #include /* Suck my cock, Telepathy and Mission Control */ by Faheem Pervez :D Aug 24 10:53:44 No I dont. Ive been holding out. Aug 24 10:53:50 Vib3: yah, qwerty12's comments were always good. Aug 24 10:54:07 em: qhat do you use right now? Aug 24 10:54:17 Vib3, another tool by Faheem Pervez :) he's pretty skilled but too bad his patience span only lasted so long before his fuse blew Aug 24 10:54:42 psycho_oreos: pretty skilled?? he was one of the best. Aug 24 10:54:57 I don't have any smartphone. Ive been holding out. First I held out to wait for a linux alternative to iPad, now I am holding out for one of those to get really good. I think I'm pretty close to believing I need something like that now though. Aug 24 10:55:28 vi___, I'm not looking down on him, but its just a shame he left :p Aug 24 10:56:18 psycho_oreos: I know, if his fuse hadn't blown we'd be communicationg with our martian colonies and travelling in hover cars right now. Aug 24 10:56:38 em: interesting, then why do you want an n900? Aug 24 10:56:51 vi___, I sort of think that's a bit of exaggeration :p Aug 24 10:56:59 ! Aug 24 10:57:05 I was looking at the n800's and then n900s for a long time. Aug 24 10:57:29 em: we're in same boat.. i was cash-strapped, and hoped N900 would get cheaper. instead, got more expensive, lol. so two months ago i just took the plunge, and zero regrets. i know it has its faults, but no one can show you a perfect device Aug 24 10:57:47 yeah. Aug 24 10:57:56 Well I find the idea of a pocket computer very attractive. Aug 24 10:57:57 psycho_oreos: his fuse blew? :D Aug 24 10:58:11 em: well the n900 and its ilk is UTTERLY doomed. The level of tinkering and fiddling is only appealing to a particular type of person. Most people say it just plain sucks. Aug 24 10:58:13 Vib3, metaphorically speaking Aug 24 10:58:41 This is mainly due to the lack of APPZ that let them LOL TWEET THERE MEME STATUS TO THE BLOGUSPHERE. Aug 24 10:58:52 Yes I know that type of person. I am almost, but not quite, that type of person. I envy that type of person. :) Aug 24 10:59:46 Well i think maemo is linux. You could probably install Gwibber on it. It comes with Ubuntu so why not put it on maemo. Aug 24 10:59:49 apart from maemo and android, there's webOS, have you looked at palm pre? Aug 24 11:00:03 Gwibber is some thing that interfaces with twitter I think. I never use it because I am also not in Twitter. Aug 24 11:00:16 I looked at social networks for a long time too. Aug 24 11:00:39 Now that I explain myself I realise I am not using a lot of things. Aug 24 11:01:03 I hope that world does not pass me by. Aug 24 11:01:07 and there's ubuntu available via chroot if you want Aug 24 11:01:22 I have to go though because the sun is beginning to rise. I'll see you all later on perhaps. Aug 24 11:01:26 http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-Hardware-Buyer-HOWTO/howtobuy.html#whentobuy settled , section 8.1, my mind ;) Aug 24 11:01:31 errr Aug 24 11:01:37 psycho_oreos: no there is not webOS :P Aug 24 11:02:06 em: bb Aug 24 11:02:17 http://www.pcworld.com/article/238656/future_of_hps_webos_the_faq.html Aug 24 11:02:58 linux handheld device with so much functionality aren't common. Let me be frank, if you decide to miss the boat with maemo/meego/webOS the next proper linux handheld device probably be awhile away Aug 24 11:03:22 webOS is almost deader than Maemo at this point Aug 24 11:03:59 rm_you|johnx, then what do you call HP tablets with webOS or palm pre? HPlinux? :p Aug 24 11:04:04 no Aug 24 11:04:07 i call them cancelled Aug 24 11:04:12 and no longer in production or being sold Aug 24 11:04:20 as of last week Aug 24 11:04:41 maybe not sold new but maybe is still being sold as second hand, etc Aug 24 11:04:44 http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/18/its-official-hp-kills-off-webos-phones-and-the-touchpad/ Aug 24 11:05:02 maemo is WAAAAAY deader than webos! Aug 24 11:05:15 so? nokia axed maemo ages ago. Aug 24 11:05:17 webos has just acheived MAXIMUM market penetration. Aug 24 11:05:19 at least there is still a Maemo phone to be released Aug 24 11:05:26 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA Aug 24 11:05:28 technically Aug 24 11:05:40 the N9 is still "supposedly" releasing at some point Aug 24 11:05:48 half maemo, half meego.. yes the harmattan device(s) Aug 24 11:05:51 HP officially killed everything upcoming Aug 24 11:05:54 You must be referring to the N9, the device no one wanted. Aug 24 11:06:00 <_< Aug 24 11:06:07 * rm_you|johnx is coding on his N950 right now Aug 24 11:06:17 WELL WHOOOPY FUCKING DO. Aug 24 11:06:23 just saying Aug 24 11:06:29 technically webOS is a bit more "dead" Aug 24 11:06:37 no more official product releases Aug 24 11:06:40 I hope you enjoy your device that us mere proles are not even alowed to see. Aug 24 11:06:40 Ha ha Aug 24 11:06:44 whereas maemo technically has one :P Aug 24 11:06:45 I don't think that nobody wouldn't want N9 but I don't think N9 would sell like hot cakes. It'll probably just be another niche offering just like N900 Aug 24 11:07:06 i'm just stating facts Aug 24 11:07:17 hp devices = cancelled, n9 = technically still releasing Aug 24 11:07:36 argue all you want about which one is still in a better position, i won't disagree either way :) Aug 24 11:07:41 hp devices had and still will get APPZ. maemo got F* all Aug 24 11:08:02 and maemo being half dead? unlikely when nokia chose to not support maemo's predecessors Aug 24 11:08:40 maemo ain't half dead! Aug 24 11:08:45 It is ALL dead. Aug 24 11:08:59 and yet somehow it still has a release coming up Aug 24 11:09:10 (i agree that it's going to be a dumb one) Aug 24 11:09:25 i'm seriously just stating facts here Aug 24 11:09:36 And you honestly believe it will receive ANY support what so ever? Aug 24 11:09:39 nope Aug 24 11:09:52 Then it is deaderer than webos. Aug 24 11:10:11 It is as dead as diablo. Aug 24 11:10:19 on paper webOS is dead and maemo is still being released :) Aug 24 11:10:23 the way nokia treated their N900 owners with broken bits with offering them N8/E7. How does that not clarify that maemo is not dead? Aug 24 11:11:21 oh wait, so lemme guess.. I go buy HP tablet, drop it onto a hard floor, get it repaired by HP and expect iPad to come out? win! Aug 24 11:11:34 actually, who knows Aug 24 11:11:41 they aren't making the hardware anymore Aug 24 11:11:42 or maybe even HP laptop or some other HP stuff Aug 24 11:11:42 rm_you|johnx: how did you get an n950 anyway? Aug 24 11:11:45 how many N900 user now? Aug 24 11:11:47 and they are sold out basically everywhere Aug 24 11:11:57 so yes Aug 24 11:12:01 i would expect something similar Aug 24 11:12:10 jiero: 4, including my 2. Aug 24 11:12:22 Chinese secondhand N900 just sell for 800-900 yuan, around $130~$150 Aug 24 11:12:29 i know 3 people that use N900 besides me Aug 24 11:12:34 ok Aug 24 11:12:38 but not many Aug 24 11:12:51 basically we are a miniscule market share :) Aug 24 11:12:56 When will we get chinese linux phones? Aug 24 11:13:01 vi___: got n950 through developer program Aug 24 11:13:01 rm_you|johnx: surround me there are people think iPhone3GS must be better than my N900 Aug 24 11:13:02 Imma sick of all this android crap. Aug 24 11:13:04 neither is nokia making N900, but instead of nokia offering its maemo owners with redemption or option to have their product returned because they don't actually have parts, they offered maemo owners with inferior symbian? how is that not saying maemo isn't dead? Aug 24 11:13:27 that hardware is dead Aug 24 11:13:53 if you send in an iPhone3, would they send you that or a 3GS? (if they even have 3GS still) Aug 24 11:14:09 i've had the same thing happen on video cards Aug 24 11:14:29 what I'm trying to say is they don't even care about their existing maemo owners. So really with N9 being unlikely supported soon enough, do you still think maemo is alive and kicking? Aug 24 11:14:32 rm_you|johnx: the problem is that our iphone 3 is much, much better than our iphone 3gs Aug 24 11:14:37 got a newer model back because they were out of the old one Aug 24 11:14:38 *iphone 3g, btw Aug 24 11:14:51 yeah, but they don't understand those kind of metrics Aug 24 11:15:04 it's honestly not their fault for looking at numbers on paper and misunderstanding Aug 24 11:15:05 we do Aug 24 11:15:13 well Aug 24 11:15:16 it is their fault Aug 24 11:15:20 but you can't really blame them Aug 24 11:15:24 they just see specs Aug 24 11:15:51 rm_you|johnx: what is ovi maps on n950 like? Aug 24 11:16:01 vi___: about 10000000% better Aug 24 11:16:10 there's even a useful turn-by-turn Aug 24 11:16:12 jiero, dare you to do this to those who try and snub your N900 in front of you: http://www.knownokia.ca/2010/09/quiet-response-to-n900-laughs.html Aug 24 11:16:41 http://www.knownokia.ca/2010/09/quiet-response-to-n900-laughs.html Aug 24 11:17:00 classic Aug 24 11:17:14 priceless Aug 24 11:17:45 looool Aug 24 11:17:54 rm_you|johnx: have you tried ripping the ovi maps binarys out and spazzing them into the n900 yet? Aug 24 11:18:06 nope Aug 24 11:18:14 wonder if that would work Aug 24 11:18:16 rm_you|johnx: will you? Aug 24 11:18:25 i could look at it... Aug 24 11:18:31 i have a feeling that would be hellishly complicated Aug 24 11:18:39 I will email you 50 beers. Aug 24 11:18:39 rm_you|johnx, I see the genetic splicing program is going full swing! Aug 24 11:18:42 the whole architecture changed somewhat Aug 24 11:18:47 lcuk: lol Aug 24 11:18:53 i'm at johnx's house Aug 24 11:18:55 rm_you|johnx, n900 binaries can work on n950 Aug 24 11:19:00 say hi \o Aug 24 11:19:06 yes, depending on what libs they use Aug 24 11:19:10 ... Aug 24 11:19:17 maps isn't a simple app Aug 24 11:19:22 it touches a lot of things Aug 24 11:19:29 sure Aug 24 11:19:34 who knows what complications could be involved Aug 24 11:19:38 every part of the world infact :P Aug 24 11:19:43 all i'm saying is, i can't promise anything :P Aug 24 11:19:55 if i have extra time and remember, i will look Aug 24 11:20:00 i do have my n900 here still Aug 24 11:20:20 lcuk: have you used maps on n950? Aug 24 11:20:26 psycho_oreos: 。。。。 Aug 24 11:20:29 lcuk: do you agree it's like 1000000% better? Aug 24 11:20:51 rm_you|johnx, i know it is better, the ovi bug stops me logging in Aug 24 11:20:59 :( Aug 24 11:21:03 * lcuk will use it soon :) Aug 24 11:21:03 jiero, one of the many things you can do with N900 :) Aug 24 11:21:04 mine works flawlessly Aug 24 11:21:08 what is this ovi bug? Aug 24 11:21:27 bug 234 Aug 24 11:21:28 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/234 (some) applets should be resizeable Aug 24 11:21:39 vi___: they wont work, ovi maps needs aegis Aug 24 11:21:39 http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=234 Aug 24 11:21:40 04Bug 234: (some) applets should be resizeable Aug 24 11:21:58 it NEEDS aegis? rofl Aug 24 11:22:04 goddamn aegis Aug 24 11:22:09 still wish that thing would just die Aug 24 11:22:10 well in a way yes Aug 24 11:22:21 because it needs a nokia account to work, and that wont work without aegis Aug 24 11:22:46 aegis make me want to sick in my own pants. Aug 24 11:22:50 while wearing them. Aug 24 11:23:37 vi___, I saw your thread on WTB. I suppose nobody took the bait? I guess the other WTB is spreading FUD heh Aug 24 11:23:45 lcuk: did you read the several comments that said a reflash fixes it? :) Aug 24 11:24:01 psycho_oreos: some guy asked for $1001 Aug 24 11:24:18 vi___, and you still reject the offer? Aug 24 11:24:24 psycho_oreos: yes. Aug 24 11:24:30 vi___, ahh ok Aug 24 11:24:35 psycho_oreos: that is x2 my car. Aug 24 11:25:02 I am a harware enthusiast. Not an idiot. Aug 24 11:25:18 yeah it's not worth THAT much more <_< Aug 24 11:25:39 it's neat, but if i had to BUY it, barely worth the $500 in current state Aug 24 11:25:43 probably way less Aug 24 11:25:43 ok more like x1.5 my car Aug 24 11:25:53 i'd much rather have a galaxy tab or something Aug 24 11:26:04 for that price Aug 24 11:26:05 and keep n900 Aug 24 11:26:06 vi___, I did at one stage fork out around about that much in AUD for my old nokia phone (brand new at the time of course). I'm skeptic if some of those sellers do actually own one or are they simply scammers :) Aug 24 11:26:35 yeah honestly for people who got them, now would be the best time to ditch them Aug 24 11:26:47 depending on what I get back from the nokia care point, I may be wtb an RX-51 board, any condition. Aug 24 11:26:50 since it looks like even the N9 is barely going to be released anywhere Aug 24 11:27:07 and later they will be worth nothing Aug 24 11:27:15 Does anyone have an old rx-51 board they wanna punt? Aug 24 11:27:26 and nokia is almost certainly not going to ask for them back once they get this thing behind them Aug 24 11:27:41 they will forget meego/maemo and the names of everyone involved ASAP Aug 24 11:28:00 what doesn't matter is their resell price, what does matter is that you still have the physical item. If you love to tinker around I'm sure you'd keep the device as long as you can :p Aug 24 11:28:31 yeah, that's why i'm holding on to mine like my life depends on it :P Aug 24 11:28:38 nokia can get it back from me out of my cold dead hands Aug 24 11:28:54 \o Aug 24 11:29:28 * psycho_oreos sees Elop intercepted that message and sends that bit of info to his secret track & arrest personnel dept. I think you're now wanted ;) Aug 24 11:29:50 lol Aug 24 11:30:43 actually if they took it back it might be a miracle, i could just go buy an android phone and stop wasting my life re-doing the work that's already been done to get the things i want working on my phone Aug 24 11:30:56 like Pandora... which has a native app... Aug 24 11:31:05 not if you're dead as you requested :D Aug 24 11:31:12 and media playing, which works with the built-in app or one of several 3rd party apps... Aug 24 11:31:17 well amputated hands Aug 24 11:31:21 :P Aug 24 11:32:21 * ShadowJK wishes "designers" stopped messing with media player so they could make a usable one :) Aug 24 11:33:04 ShadowJK: i'm just working on mplayer. it doesn't even have a GUI :P Aug 24 11:33:22 i am about to have mplayer2 working i think Aug 24 11:33:51 * ShadowJK made the neon stuff work in maemo5 mplayer iirc Aug 24 11:33:58 yeah Aug 24 11:34:03 it will work Aug 24 11:34:28 iirc not autodetected by configure, and needed special flags here and there to assemble Aug 24 11:34:39 it's a bit better now Aug 24 11:36:59 nokia is announcing some new stuff Aug 24 11:37:03 symbian Aug 24 11:37:12 * psycho_oreos shudders Aug 24 11:37:45 * ShadowJK cringes Aug 24 11:37:56 but it's always nice with Qt devices imo. Aug 24 11:38:15 even if it is W9/Sea Ray? Aug 24 11:38:15 wtf? new symbian stuff? Aug 24 11:38:23 so it appears Aug 24 11:38:26 i thought that platform already burned to the ground :P Aug 24 11:38:43 psycho_oreos, well if I can develop for it, I'm good. I wouldn't buy such a device tho. Aug 24 11:39:18 holycrap ffmpeg has been compiling for 60 minutes now and 70% of that has been docs generation >_< Aug 24 11:39:31 mece, you most likely could but I guess without actually buying the hardware and wanting to develop programs for it... well you know the drill Aug 24 11:41:40 psycho_oreos, I just really like Qt, so the more Qt devices the better. Aug 24 11:46:06 mece, you know you could probably see yourself in luck (maybe) in getting W9 for free like how the other devs got N950 ;) Aug 24 11:46:16 maybe nokia will hand them out like candies again Aug 24 11:50:34 how do i join a channel (irc) when using account-plugin-idle? is there some hidden documentation somewhere? Aug 24 11:51:14 psycho_oreos, well I have an N950. but from what I hear wp don't support qt. Aug 24 11:51:55 utanapischti: it was... complicated when i finally figured it out Aug 24 11:52:08 if i recall correctly, you need to make a contact Aug 24 11:52:16 and start a chat with that contact Aug 24 11:52:27 it has been a while since i did it Aug 24 11:52:57 mece, ahh that'd be interesting. I thought nokia would take Qt to wp7, if they don't they've basically contradicted their point of making Qt available to wp7 and leaving it dead in its tracks along with maemo/meego Aug 24 11:53:20 the normal "chatroom betreten" (join chatroom?) does not work? i just thought i dont know how to name the chatroom... Aug 24 11:53:36 psycho_oreos, have they said they would make it available for wp7? I haven't heard that. Aug 24 11:53:46 using jabber it was straightforward... Aug 24 11:53:48 :.\ Aug 24 11:54:32 psycho_oreos, they said to make qt available for the next billion people, not the next 32 people (which is what I believe the total sales of wp7 phones will be) Aug 24 11:54:33 maybe i'll stick to ssh-ing @home and have weechat in screen there... Aug 24 11:54:41 mece, no but they were intending to have it on wp7, but that was on some random news site I read awhile ago Aug 24 11:55:18 so qt for dumbphones, making dumbphones smartphones, in the iphone sense of the word. Aug 24 11:55:27 Is what I figure it means. Aug 24 11:56:03 and nokia's wp7 won't even stand out from the rest of its wp7 community manufacturers apart from having nokia branding lol Aug 24 11:56:14 I thought s40 was for next billion Aug 24 11:56:21 * SpeedEvil may be getting confused Aug 24 11:57:04 SpeedEvil, that's what I meant by dumbphones Aug 24 11:57:30 ah Aug 24 11:57:33 psycho_oreos, I'm just ignoring wp7 as I have no interest in that Aug 24 11:57:39 utanapischti: yeah i use XChat on n900 Aug 24 11:57:50 or ssh and use irssi in a screen on home server :P Aug 24 11:57:55 symbian belle looks like android Aug 24 11:58:09 mece, hahahaha I thought you'd go wherever Qt takes you ;) Aug 24 11:58:30 psycho_oreos, well, yeah, but I predict wp7 to fail miserably Aug 24 11:58:56 i'n used to sshing @home to weechat in screen because of my 9300ers... Aug 24 11:58:57 psycho_oreos, for a phone for me I only care about linux. Aug 24 11:59:07 mece, I predict death to nokia :) after nokia stops producing maemo/meego devices Aug 24 11:59:21 mece, +1 me too Aug 24 12:00:36 9300ers? Aug 24 12:00:37 psycho_oreos, I'm not in a hurry to get a new linux phone tho. N9 is plenty for me right now. But it's a tad worrying that there is absolutely no other device in sight at all, anywhere. Aug 24 12:00:46 am I the only one that uses irssi on the n900? xchat is such a waste of screen space. Aug 24 12:01:03 u not vi___ :) i also do Aug 24 12:01:07 vi___: how is xchat a waste of screen space? Aug 24 12:01:33 couldnt stand xchat.. but DocScrutinizer's .conf makes it better Aug 24 12:01:37 as i said, i do too :P just not DIRECTLY on n900, via ssh Aug 24 12:01:43 Sicelo: nokia (communicator) 9300 Aug 24 12:01:43 vi___: i use irssi, but from my own server via n900 Aug 24 12:01:46 more stable connection on my home server Aug 24 12:01:57 nfc is pretty sweet... Aug 24 12:02:02 mece, apart from others in bits and pieces really there's not much.. openmoko is probably the only distant relative of more full featured linux on a handheld device Aug 24 12:02:18 kewl utanapischti, i have been using same, 9300i, till 2 weeks ago :P Aug 24 12:02:34 i dont see how the n900 can replace the 9300 Aug 24 12:02:41 vi___, I use irssi on N900 but not all the time, and yeah I don't really like how with xchat under N900 its all cramped Aug 24 12:02:42 psycho_oreos, I'm hoping for more meego, and I do think there will be. Aug 24 12:03:04 they should be together utanapischti :) Aug 24 12:03:26 mece, only time will tell at this point :/ I'm hoping of a meego device equivalent to N900/N950 or better and that will fulfil my desires Aug 24 12:03:50 all i want is a phone with a keyboard. i appreciate the linux bits, but android would be fine <_< Aug 24 12:03:52 apart from that cordiatab has GSM functionality it seems Aug 24 12:04:02 for me the 9300 is a phone and the n900 a nerd-toy Aug 24 12:04:14 n900 is for fun, 9300 for business Aug 24 12:04:21 utanapischti: hey i remember when they wouldn't admit n900 was a phone Aug 24 12:04:21 wtf is 9300? Aug 24 12:04:23 true :P Aug 24 12:04:26 back at the berlin conference Aug 24 12:04:30 mece: a phone Aug 24 12:04:41 series 80 based nokia Aug 24 12:04:50 its been said many times that N900 is not a phone but an internet tablet with phone functionality Aug 24 12:05:12 so nerd-toy is not too wrong :P Aug 24 12:05:33 psycho_oreos, well, I doubt we'll see another device like N900. I think that was a one time blip of awesome. Aug 24 12:05:52 and compared to the likes of symbian devices, I'd be happy to stick with a linux phone, something that I can tinker with at any time rather than dealing with symbian's epic control schemes Aug 24 12:06:47 you dont need to tinker on 9300, you are forced to tinker on n900 Aug 24 12:06:54 thats the difference Aug 24 12:07:06 Is it safe to say that one of N900's flaw that made Nokia stop on it Aug 24 12:07:16 mece, I agree N900 is definitely awesome (with some minor issues of course) but I wouldn't agree that there won't be another device similar or better than N900 apart from android devices Aug 24 12:07:46 android devices are nothing like N900 Aug 24 12:07:46 ... Actually, I can't even decide what's bad about it Aug 24 12:07:59 utanapischti, maemo was marketed for the niche community, that's the only reason why it lacks so many features when it is given phone functionality Aug 24 12:08:00 the keyboard Aug 24 12:08:04 what flaw CodenameStrike-N ? Aug 24 12:08:39 Android got nothing on this Aug 24 12:08:47 type a longer email on one of the communicators (9110 upwards) and you'll feel the difference... Aug 24 12:08:57 I agree but some of the specs on android devices (physical/hardware specs mind you) are equal or better than N900. Its just their OS (android) is rather somewhat shocking :) Aug 24 12:09:04 android is a smartphone os, maemo is desktop linux. Aug 24 12:09:45 because I remember being totally awed by someone drawing on an N900 Aug 24 12:09:47 Sicelo: too configurable, needs tweakings for nice sailing, when most people are like: wtf is this "X-terminal?" Aug 24 12:10:27 utanapischti, what about responding to a tmo thread with very deep explanation? lemme dig that post that I wrote using only N900 Aug 24 12:11:25 X-terminal isn't a flaw, it was most likely a left over from the predecessor's idea of maemo as an internet tablet Aug 24 12:11:27 that's why the n900 is a nerd-toy... Aug 24 12:11:33 nerds will use it Aug 24 12:11:50 smile! i got one n900 too Aug 24 12:11:54 utanapischti sounds like a name from a Hindi text or the Epic of Gilgamesh. Aug 24 12:11:57 and what about openmoko owners? Aug 24 12:12:05 are there any? Aug 24 12:12:13 em: gilgamesh epos Aug 24 12:12:22 lol, that can't be a reason to stop N900 CodenameStrike-N. they just have bad moods, lol. stopping products while buyers still want them. just now we were referring to 9xxx devices, read up, and you will see people still wanted them.. and there wasn't anything particularly wrong with them either Aug 24 12:12:29 utanapischti is the "noah" in the gilgamesh epos Aug 24 12:12:30 you must be either blind or ignorant to not see them Corsac :) no offense Aug 24 12:12:51 well, there are some owners, maybe Aug 24 12:12:52 utanapischti: oh well then that would be why it sounded like that to me :) Aug 24 12:12:54 but users... :) Aug 24 12:13:19 Corsac, hardly different to the situation here with N900 Aug 24 12:13:44 lol, that can't be a reason to stop N900 CodenameStrike-N. they just have bad moods, lol. stopping products while buyers still want them. just now we were referring to 9xxx devices, read up, and you will see people still wanted them.. and there wasn't anything particularly wrong with them either Aug 24 12:14:03 figured as much Aug 24 12:17:28 hmmm... now that irc-plugin doesnt connect at all... it connectet for every attemt to join a chatroom and i tried that many times in a short interval so maybe the irc server now blocks me because of too fast reconnecting... and no meaningfull error message... i'll stick to using irc via sshing @home... Aug 24 12:17:51 its not like nokia has bad moods, it was rather an epic fail attempt that they released N900 late and had too much of high expectations for the said device Aug 24 12:18:20 Sicelo: thanks for appreciating my xchat conf :-D Aug 24 12:18:45 yeah. prolly so. but this isn't the first time, sadly.. Aug 24 12:18:49 yw DocScrutinizer Aug 24 12:20:32 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ in case anybody got teased. (duh, I have to update those files I guess) Aug 24 12:27:01 utanapischti, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1062097&postcount=5 <--- long enough to qualify a long email? did that via N900 whilst in hospital :p Aug 24 12:28:04 some build cathedrals using matches... some write books on bad keyboards... Aug 24 12:28:06 :-D Aug 24 12:29:16 and I wasn't just responding to one tmo thread at the time. I did a whole bunch of replies with just two thumbs that I have, N900 and a seat in hospital :p Aug 24 12:38:09 moo, all Aug 24 12:39:14 oom Aug 24 12:43:40 some people think that n900's failure was due to open-sourceness or too many choices, but I think the culprit was Nokia's half hearted support of it, combined with changing development goals and high price Aug 24 12:44:59 yeah Aug 24 12:45:03 nokia basically killed it Aug 24 12:45:13 with no advertising / support Aug 24 12:45:21 and no negotiation with vendors to get it subsidized Aug 24 12:45:37 and treating the maemo team like second class citizens at the company half the time it seemed like <_< Aug 24 12:48:47 And then there was the ovi debacle Aug 24 12:49:13 what do you mean? The inability to get it running for a long time? Aug 24 12:50:34 I only had an access to duty-call phone then, so OVI was not really on my radar Aug 24 12:52:58 Ovi store was (from memory) basically not working for the first three months of launch, and for the next 6 months diddn't work well, and took ages to get stuff approved, ad was then shut. Aug 24 12:53:01 and Aug 24 12:53:10 ovi store killed the N900 for commercial devs Aug 24 12:53:14 where shut = queries about how to get apps in store was met by 'don't bother' Aug 24 12:53:26 Indeed. Aug 24 12:53:35 yeah basically we got Angry Birds, and that was it. Aug 24 12:53:52 there's also 3d roller coaster! Aug 24 12:53:53 I have Angry birds :) Aug 24 12:53:58 lol Aug 24 12:54:00 Angry birds, and the next level pack was purchasable for a week or two, and then went away Aug 24 12:54:01 bounce evolution wasn't too bad imo, of course not as impressive as angry birds but Aug 24 12:54:16 Bounce evolution, with another few dozen levels would be awesome Aug 24 12:54:16 what about spin! and zenbound? Aug 24 12:54:52 I really like the bg-music used in bounce evolution (time attack mode) Aug 24 12:54:54 I hoped there would be full version of labyrinth :( Aug 24 12:55:02 heh Aug 24 12:55:51 OVI == Nokia's high ambitious plans to earn money with apps, rather than selling proper hardware. They are silly, or call it crazy Aug 24 12:56:29 a long depressing list of me-too business decisions Aug 24 12:56:51 and it was rather late entry, again full of fail with ovi that ovi never reached to the same status as android's marketplace or iOS's App Store Aug 24 12:56:58 I have seen this approach termed cargocult marketing Aug 24 12:57:14 while Nokia had a decent unique feature of offering a FOSS OS Aug 24 12:57:20 psycho_oreos, you can find the mp3 with dpkg -L bounce Aug 24 12:57:41 MohammadAG, I did but thanks for the info :) Aug 24 12:57:52 With my user hat on, I don't care about FOSS Aug 24 12:58:10 but Nokia at large (or at "high") never really got the idea behind FOSS, and the result is aegis and Nokia vanishing 2012 Aug 24 12:58:14 I would have found a n900+ a worthwhile upgrade. Aug 24 12:59:33 now we'll get N9 instead, and even that is stillborn Aug 24 13:00:09 at least it solidified :| Aug 24 13:00:22 I would really like to know how much of them they plan to manufacture, since they tried hard to make it fail :) Aug 24 13:00:23 so what's the thing about aegis Aug 24 13:00:36 if aegis dies, the N9's a pretty good device tbh Aug 24 13:00:40 N9 :/ Aug 24 13:00:40 needs a physical keyboard Aug 24 13:00:41 you can still replace kernel Aug 24 13:00:49 N950 is moreso stillborn than N9 heh.. in either case both will be left crippled, half-baked or whatever other term you prefer to use Aug 24 13:01:04 jacekowski: yes, and you can still get proper linux on milestone Aug 24 13:01:09 only thing i use the physical keyboard for on the N950 is irc Aug 24 13:01:13 n9 won't have AB at all ;-) Aug 24 13:01:18 aka this Aug 24 13:01:39 i'm thinking about W7 version of N9 Aug 24 13:01:44 if it happens Aug 24 13:01:47 and that would make me a N900 keyboard warrior? ;) Aug 24 13:01:49 the vkb is actually pretty good, you can get high typing speeds on it Aug 24 13:02:08 edheldil, Angry Birds are included into N9's stock firmware Aug 24 13:02:14 s/keyboard/hardware\ keyboard/ Aug 24 13:02:14 psycho_oreos meant: and that would make me a N900 hardware\ keyboard warrior? ;) Aug 24 13:02:19 psycho_oreos: indeed, the HARM thing is a deadend Aug 24 13:02:41 DocScrutinizer, HARM? Aug 24 13:02:47 attan Aug 24 13:02:48 well you could ssh from the N900 to the N9 :P Aug 24 13:03:01 jacekowski: N9 as a ploy to fulfill their contract with intel and then replace the os with WP? Aug 24 13:03:12 edheldil: dunno Aug 24 13:03:17 sorry my head isn't working.. I'm resorting to asking google :| Aug 24 13:03:21 edheldil: there was no contract with intel Aug 24 13:03:22 o/ folks Aug 24 13:03:34 ut it looks like WP7 will not be abandoned like maemo/meego Aug 24 13:03:38 DocScrutinizer, ahh! I get it Aug 24 13:04:33 ab: really? Then there's still a chance for it ;). Mayvbe it would be possible to get new versions of AB ffor n900 via this route Aug 24 13:04:54 edheldil: ab is a part of N9 yes Aug 24 13:04:58 (free with magic) Aug 24 13:04:59 Angry Birds with Magic is on the N9 Aug 24 13:05:00 or something Aug 24 13:06:11 jacekowski: so this contract is just a myth? Ehh, that serves me well :) Aug 24 13:06:41 Hello - looking to get a Nokia n900 Aug 24 13:06:55 What's the current state of play as regards turn-by-turn offline nav for the car? Aug 24 13:07:05 monav Aug 24 13:07:16 monav.openstreetmap.de Aug 24 13:07:31 speech output is in the queue Aug 24 13:07:57 what about modRana? It definitely works somehow ... Aug 24 13:08:01 asktoby, either use alternative apps or hack the nokia maps to work with maybe a 3D map view and possible turn-by-turn nav Aug 24 13:08:09 s/apps/programs/ Aug 24 13:08:09 psycho_oreos meant: asktoby, either use alternative programs or hack the nokia maps to work with maybe a 3D map view and possible turn-by-turn nav Aug 24 13:08:54 hiemanshu, to get magic working all you need is RFID card. For example, people were able to unlock new levels with Helsinki public transport cards Aug 24 13:09:25 is monav written in Qt? Aug 24 13:09:25 ab: but first I need a N9 for that :P Aug 24 13:09:58 moo, ab Aug 24 13:10:03 ab lolwtf Aug 24 13:10:09 hiemanshu, right, n950 is not enough, it does not have NFC :) Aug 24 13:10:17 MohammadAG: iirc yes Aug 24 13:10:30 MohammadAG, really, it is hillarious Aug 24 13:10:32 ab: exactly, but I already finish AB on a lot of devices Aug 24 13:10:34 I really mean a lot Aug 24 13:10:48 So it is possible currently to use n900 for in-car nav in some form? Aug 24 13:10:54 asktoby: yes Aug 24 13:11:03 for some reason, i was thinking of getting an iPod touch yesterday Aug 24 13:11:03 i use it on my bike handlebar :) Aug 24 13:11:13 someone punch me in the face please Aug 24 13:11:14 MohammadAG: do you need to talk? Aug 24 13:11:16 That's good. My eBay auction ends in 7 minutes. :) Aug 24 13:11:22 * hiemanshu punches MohammadAG Aug 24 13:11:27 where it hurts most Aug 24 13:11:43 hmm, 78MBs maps for israel, this is... interesting Aug 24 13:11:44 * psycho_oreos pours a bucket of icy cold water over MohammadAG's face Aug 24 13:11:45 its awesome routing one through small paths in unknown cities .. while being OSM based the quality may differ of course Aug 24 13:11:51 asktoby: not only in some form... works pretty good Aug 24 13:12:03 MohammadAG: the 'routing logic' is in the files Aug 24 13:12:05 I'm not planning on getting a data plan. It all works offline? Aug 24 13:12:32 asktoby, as long as you download the map files and install them correctly, yes Aug 24 13:12:36 cehteh, point is, israel's maps are usually one mb or something Aug 24 13:12:38 MohammadAG: yes monav is qt, AFAIK Aug 24 13:12:44 cause they're usually empty Aug 24 13:12:45 Brilliant, thanks. Aug 24 13:12:56 routing in the blink of your eye Aug 24 13:13:02 asktoby: I used marbe iirc and that wasn't that bad compared to the navi on my friend's C7(?), gave better advice to keep the route for 18km etc. Trsted on our way Nuernberg->Finowfurt (CCCamp) Aug 24 13:13:03 no much cpu required Aug 24 13:13:31 make that "Tested" or "Trusted", whatever you prefer Aug 24 13:13:35 MohammadAG: read the authors diploma thesis, this are not maps, this is preprocessed routing information Aug 24 13:13:52 also thats detailed vector maps .. works completely offline Aug 24 13:13:56 and Marble* Aug 24 13:13:58 asktoby, this is very true for nokia maps. Though getting modRana, CloudGPS, et. al. to use offline maps is different (they use more open sourced map providers) and I don't even know if they still require internet access on top of all that Aug 24 13:14:17 dont compare apples with cherries Aug 24 13:14:46 asktoby, I also have to warn you as well that GPS without internet access at all may take longer to pinpoint your location and may work more horribly during cloudy days Aug 24 13:15:08 asktoby: n900 requires internet access for the GPS to get fix. Aug 24 13:15:17 no it doesn't Aug 24 13:15:53 without internet it just takes longer, sometimes very long and you need good signal reception Aug 24 13:15:59 it'll complain if you don't give it internet access, but I think it depends on certain conditions. I'm sure you could somehow make it never connect to internet Aug 24 13:16:09 asktoby: ( psycho_oreos ) offline navi also even supposed to work with marble and moNav plugin Aug 24 13:16:11 that was noted above Aug 24 13:16:25 MohammadAG: India is 293M :/ Aug 24 13:16:56 DocScrutinizer, heh marble is yet another program that doesn't depend on nokia maps as well iinm. Aug 24 13:17:46 yet another? what else? Aug 24 13:18:03 modRana, cloudgps Aug 24 13:18:06 cehteh: you might be right, but many times I have just gave up and connected :( Aug 24 13:18:08 aah well, doesn't depend on nokia doesn't mean it does on board navi Aug 24 13:18:48 of course not but that means you'll need to download the maps from other sources :/ if only they could be made to work with nokia maps Aug 24 13:19:27 hiemanshu, at least most map apps work for you Aug 24 13:19:39 most google maps apps show a white blank map for israel Aug 24 13:19:42 MohammadAG: sure, with the wrong address Aug 24 13:19:46 except mappero and the iPhone app Aug 24 13:19:55 edheldil: with what app? Aug 24 13:20:16 mwarf, 3 new symbian devices Aug 24 13:20:36 nokia maps shuts down the gps when there is no position after some (too short) time Aug 24 13:20:37 * DocScrutinizer turns away, bored Aug 24 13:20:40 thats a known bug Aug 24 13:20:41 gpxview, modrana, nokia maps. Aug 24 13:20:55 cehteh: 60s Aug 24 13:21:05 maybe i dont use it at all Aug 24 13:21:21 modranda, mappero and the gps-track-logger widget works Aug 24 13:21:35 ah, possibly that was the reason with ovi maps, because I remember sitting for an hour on a spot and not getting the fix Aug 24 13:21:46 and location test GUI app to the rescue Aug 24 13:22:00 the gps tracklogger is a good thing anyways, as it keeps the gps on while you can switch other apps and doesnt eat much power Aug 24 13:22:15 the others could have been due to me being fed up with the connect popup Aug 24 13:22:19 start GPS via location test GUI, when fix start whatever map prog you like Aug 24 13:22:37 i use the tracklogger widget for that Aug 24 13:23:04 thanks for the tips Aug 24 13:23:20 That reminds me of a joke. Aug 24 13:23:32 edheldil: disable "netwok GPS" in settings -> no more connect requester Aug 24 13:23:38 heya javispedro Aug 24 13:23:44 javispedro: hi Aug 24 13:23:48 hi Aug 24 13:23:57 *: ciao Aug 24 13:24:01 MohammadAG: now has an n950? Aug 24 13:24:40 had it since 1 or 2 august Aug 24 13:24:48 speaking of modrana, I was a bit disappointed when I tried to use it for real. Hopefully it gets more usable Aug 24 13:25:50 DocScrutinizer: thanks, I know, but that requires extra effort, comparable to 10 cancels of that popup :) Aug 24 13:30:50 how to get the same power saving level as smart reflex without using smart refelex? Aug 24 13:35:18 what was your lowest standby current draw with SR? Aug 24 13:37:48 It seems you can tell the N900 to use an external bluetooth GPS device which I already own, which should simplify things Aug 24 13:38:07 n900 has internal gps as well Aug 24 13:38:36 Sicelo: Smartreflex is largely irrelevant to power draw when idle Aug 24 13:38:47 Sicelo: It only affects the device when active Aug 24 13:39:06 ok Aug 24 13:40:01 and smartreflex is broken by design Aug 24 13:40:38 It's not. Aug 24 13:40:43 It's broken by implementation. Aug 24 13:40:56 that's part of the desing Aug 24 13:48:55 it has a bug with some external gpses Aug 24 14:27:24 there is 64MB of unpartitioned space at the end of the emmc. Is it there for a particular reason? Aug 24 14:38:46 hi all Aug 24 14:39:44 from my old nokia phone it's possible to set barring on incoming, outgoing, international etc. calls. how can i do that with maemo? Aug 24 14:40:33 i also know that commands for manipulating barrings are something like *#351#yes for checking status for example Aug 24 14:40:44 but that doesn't function on n900 too Aug 24 14:47:00 vdv: Maemo isn't a phone platform. It just has a minimal "phone" app. Maybe you can write some software to do it. Aug 24 14:49:21 probably with starhash one can enter the old style codes Aug 24 14:51:41 ShadowJK, i've tried, but it says, that service code is not supported Aug 24 14:52:21 *#06# works Aug 24 14:52:30 but *#351# not Aug 24 14:53:46 seems there's a starhash enabler in repo... Aug 24 14:58:10 you'd need that before it would accept anything except *#06# Aug 24 15:23:46 vdv: there is a program for those gsm-code stuff afaik Aug 24 15:24:19 vdv: and for basics you need to enable it in a config file with a texteditor of your choice... Aug 24 15:28:54 python on extras builder doesn't have subprocess module. python on n900 does. wtf? Aug 24 15:51:01 autobuilder starts with rm -rf / doesn't it Aug 24 15:53:36 python2.5-minimal? Aug 24 15:59:00 ShadowJK: I guess no: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/subversion_1.6.17dfsg-1maemo1/armel.root.log.OK.txt Aug 24 16:20:01 ShadowJK: I heard rm -rf / doesn't work Aug 24 16:23:35 vdv: install *# starhash-enabler (@chemist: that's the luxury variant of an editor) Aug 24 16:25:25 hmmm, is there a good "device lock" shortcut/widget running around? Aug 24 16:25:26 chem|st: and no, I don't think there's any app particularly for handling USSD like *#351#, those USSD should get sent via GSM control channel without any special preprocessing that would look to the actual sequence Aug 24 16:25:54 DocScrutinizer, already installed :) Aug 24 16:26:35 \o/ another download Aug 24 16:27:12 if it were a 0.99 app I was rich Aug 24 17:26:10 .join #meego Aug 24 17:26:25 typo :P Aug 24 17:39:43 hello,i use opera browse news night, how to modity user.css ,let opera support night mode? Aug 24 17:55:47 psychologe, that's rather a question for an opera channel, as I don't think it's Maemo specific Aug 24 18:04:31 Mh. I don't know how this happened, but now I've got some whiteish stripes on the bottom right of my screen. Aug 24 18:06:23 man cloudgps is pretty cool. it's a shame it lacks features Aug 24 18:26:44 Yo Aug 24 18:27:09 ~ping Aug 24 18:27:09 ~pong Aug 24 18:54:26 ~burp Aug 24 18:54:26 * infobot burps loudly Aug 24 18:55:27 pardon me Aug 24 18:57:35 * infobot blushes Aug 24 18:58:00 ! Aug 24 18:58:44 ~ is the key Aug 24 18:59:29 ~ ~ Aug 24 18:59:37 hmm Aug 24 18:59:51 ~~ Aug 24 19:00:01 mhm Aug 24 20:28:27 javispedro: ?? Aug 24 20:28:39 ?? Aug 24 20:29:04 online - offline - online - offline Aug 24 21:15:03 W. T. F. Aug 24 21:15:10 the Android guys are completely crazy Aug 24 21:15:14 completely, completely. Aug 24 21:15:30 http://team-touchdroid.com/ Aug 24 21:15:36 note: mute speakers, protect your eyes. Aug 24 21:25:05 and as usual, the entire thing exploded into a rather giant flamewar, and I wasn't even there! shame, I had popcorn around. Aug 24 21:41:29 javispedro, Android is so lame. Aug 24 21:41:44 What an idiotic video. Aug 24 21:42:07 * GeneralAntilles wonders about web applications that can't handle more than one open window. Aug 24 21:43:20 note that the harmattan ui guidelines force single window apps too :( Aug 24 21:43:36 with a few exceptions: conversations, mail. Aug 24 21:43:43 * javispedro filed a bug as the browser is not on that list. Aug 24 21:43:43 Well, that's a mobile device Aug 24 21:43:44 Just got my n900 and I have to say, this is the single most awsome phone ever :) Aug 24 21:43:55 it's something completely different for a complicated web interface. Aug 24 21:44:04 DeadHedge, welcome to the 21st century. Aug 24 21:45:22 Pft :) Aug 24 21:46:39 Linux has been dead to me for quite some time but this has sparked my interest again Aug 24 21:48:01 This is, hopefully, the future. Aug 24 21:48:24 Problem with desktop Linux is that most of the distributions don't actually have customers. Aug 24 21:48:40 Nokia doesn't suffer from that Aug 24 21:48:42 I crashed my display and had to replace it. After restart it asked me for the time again (maybe because it was too long without battery?). Aug 24 21:48:59 I was surprised that the N900 is not capable to fetch the time on its own. Aug 24 21:49:14 Do I explicityly have to install openrdate or a similar package? Aug 24 21:49:42 Is there no way to get the time from the 2G/3G network? At least from GPS it should be possible. Aug 24 21:49:45 right? Aug 24 21:49:49 What do you use? Aug 24 21:50:03 Huh? Aug 24 21:50:10 It fetches time from the cell network just fine here. Aug 24 21:50:19 yeah Aug 24 21:50:19 Is your backup battery dead? Aug 24 21:50:39 settings - time / date Aug 24 21:50:56 update automatically Aug 24 21:51:03 rd: your network might be wonky Aug 24 21:51:05 works great Aug 24 21:51:22 you can find packages for gps time sync around (don't remember anyone of the top of my head) Aug 24 21:51:27 also rdate works Aug 24 21:52:41 btw; is there a problem with the bat. app. it keeps asking about apmd Aug 24 21:52:59 then i have to boot my phone Aug 24 21:53:50 what bat app? Aug 24 21:54:24 sec Aug 24 21:54:38 I tried rdate, yes worked for me as well. Aug 24 21:54:50 DeadHedge, thanks for the pointer to settings, it was disabled. Aug 24 21:54:58 advance power monitor? .. who needs that? :P Aug 24 21:55:18 advanced power Aug 24 21:55:28 rd, np Aug 24 21:55:34 GeneralAntilles, thanks for the pointer to the backup battery. Maybe not only the display, but also the backup battery broke :-( Aug 24 21:56:12 whats wrong with advancwd power? Aug 24 21:56:46 the backup battery has been discharged/broken on mine since day 1 Aug 24 21:57:13 so I wouldn't worry Aug 24 21:57:48 javispedro, that means everytime you remove your battery, the nokia lost all its settings? Aug 24 21:57:56 they could saved some weight (1gramm) and some money (10 cent) by leaving it out .. it never worked anyways Aug 24 21:57:56 no, only time Aug 24 21:58:02 & date. Aug 24 21:58:04 Hm, how does N900 maintain the clock, through the battery? Aug 24 21:58:06 At least here it tells me it is january 1st, 2009. Aug 24 21:58:08 The time clock Aug 24 21:58:14 not cpu/whatever Aug 24 21:58:28 it does have a battery and rtc Aug 24 21:58:34 is there a ntpdate package without installing ntpd? Aug 24 21:58:42 use rdate Aug 24 21:58:43 javispedro, but does it also disable the automatically update date? Aug 24 21:58:49 ah Aug 24 21:58:56 rd: I don't remember Aug 24 21:58:58 then doing that on bootup should fix it Aug 24 21:59:06 because everytime my SIM feels like sleeping, and i have to wiggle it a bit, I have to reset it :D Aug 24 21:59:08 date from 2g/3g network is broken here, but I blame my provider. Aug 24 21:59:32 cehteh, nice idea. Aug 24 21:59:34 the 'automatic' timesetting is always 2 minutes off for me, anyone of you know how that works? Aug 24 21:59:35 Here too. (tmobile) Aug 24 21:59:51 If you co and look at syslog - you seee that it gets a date of 0/0/100 from the network Aug 24 21:59:51 Do you know if there is a dbus command to enable the automatic update? Aug 24 21:59:57 go Aug 24 22:00:14 how is meego compared to maemo? Aug 24 22:00:25 would be nice when it could use gps as timesource Aug 24 22:00:29 Does anybody know where the backup battery is located? Aug 24 22:00:41 cehteh: I'm quite sure someoen did a package for that Aug 24 22:00:41 I did not see it while looking through the service manual. Aug 24 22:00:42 somewhere on the motherboard Aug 24 22:01:12 its tiny and not replaceable (well some soldering, prolly doable but not even worth the effort for an enthusiast and geel) Aug 24 22:01:14 k Aug 24 22:01:23 DeadHedge the 1.2CE meego version I tried on my N900 seemed slow, but it was in's still in active development. And I missed the N900's task switching Aug 24 22:01:42 cehteh: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=779209&postcount=22 Aug 24 22:02:01 faina: ok, ty Aug 24 22:02:24 rd: nice Aug 24 22:02:28 I don't have opinions about the N9 variant of Meego Aug 24 22:02:40 Other than to curse microsoft Aug 24 22:02:49 :) Aug 24 22:03:54 ok, let me rechare my n900 until tomorrow. And then I test again, how long the date survives without battery. Aug 24 22:04:52 10 secs :P Aug 24 22:04:55 maybe less Aug 24 22:05:04 we all have this problem :P Aug 24 22:51:38 hmm Aug 24 22:51:54 either Steve Jobs just resigned, or today's april fools. Aug 24 22:52:40 huh? Aug 24 22:52:47 http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/08/24/steve-jobs-resigns-as-apple-ceo/ Aug 24 22:54:13 wat Aug 24 22:55:36 and i guess the stock will be sooo screwed up now Aug 24 22:56:06 not that i'm a fan of how apple works, but.. yeah, it has clearly succeed Aug 24 22:56:08 Stevecaplyse Aug 24 22:56:33 hmm, other sources confirm this. Aug 24 22:56:51 since when, 15mins ago? Aug 24 22:56:54 The new CEO will go for meego for iphone 5. Aug 24 22:57:03 of course Aug 24 22:57:10 :) Aug 24 22:59:37 let's see how wikipedia will react Aug 24 22:59:40 @ edits Aug 24 23:00:28 aw, no edit permissions Aug 24 23:00:36 already locked? Aug 24 23:00:43 those wikipedians are gniusess Aug 24 23:01:30 btw, about the Andridiots, even the press is starting to notice they're just a bunch of ... Aug 24 23:01:32 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391767,00.asp Aug 24 23:06:52 hrm, sorry for the spam Aug 24 23:07:08 N900 though it was a good idea to randomly change to 3G from wifi... Aug 24 23:30:57 would be lulz if some company buys apple Aug 24 23:31:16 aand indeed the stock would react negative Aug 24 23:31:23 "Breaking News: Apple shares fall 7 percent after CEO Steve Jobs announces resignation" Aug 24 23:31:52 that's the start, wait till the EU market wakes up Aug 24 23:34:54 * FIQ|n900 thinks it will fall 20% Aug 24 23:35:06 * SpeedEvil gogles 'how to sell short' Aug 24 23:48:33 lol SpeedEvil :P Aug 24 23:48:53 perhaps tomorrow is an opportunity to buy apple at the end of the day Aug 24 23:49:15 you get it pretty cheap and after the hype is over it'll probably take off like a rocket again :p Aug 24 23:53:21 Just when I considered buying an iPod Aug 24 23:53:30 damn, should've considered that 2 years ago! Aug 24 23:53:33 wait WHAT? Aug 24 23:53:34 * SpeedEvil boggles. Aug 24 23:53:36 * GeneralAntilles ate too much. Aug 24 23:53:39 you consider buying an ipod? Aug 24 23:53:46 considered Aug 24 23:53:55 Applies market cap is >$1000 for every american. Aug 24 23:54:01 * Gh0sty takes out the crosses, pitchforks, garlic, silver bullets and torches Aug 24 23:54:01 yesterday Aug 24 23:54:22 think thats about enough to kill anything inhuman Aug 24 23:54:36 kryptonite Aug 24 23:54:37 but, but, I wasn't drunk! Aug 24 23:55:10 Gh0sty: You should probably specify cold iron pitchforks. Aug 24 23:55:58 cold iron rusty pitchforks Aug 24 23:56:04 (why cold?) Aug 24 23:56:13 gulp Aug 24 23:56:23 you don't wanna know Aug 24 23:57:38 Elves. Aug 24 23:58:01 elves? :o Aug 25 01:09:21 hi, did anyone use the FM transmitter in their n900? Aug 25 01:25:14 probably everyone who owns an N900 Aug 25 02:54:14 my understanding is you can run maemo CE on hp touchpad and then run velvet-ui on top of that, correct me if i am wrong **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 02:59:58 2011