**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 02 02:59:57 2011 Sep 02 03:31:19 hi, does anyone know a way to launch an image from a command line? (I'm using the Desktop Execution Widget to get quick access to a few movies and hopefully images) Sep 02 03:32:56 I was hoping for "image-viewer /home/myImage.jpg" Sep 02 03:37:51 found it... there is ImageMagick's display, or perhaps /usr/bin/dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.image_viewer /com/nokia/image_viewer com.nokia.image_viewer.mime_open string:file:///file1 Sep 02 03:55:25 youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRZ0ZUQU-3U Sep 02 03:55:28 * newbie007 oops Sep 02 04:18:21 damnit Sep 02 04:19:00 i had to order a new port and am gping to ship this n900 to a friend in cali to put it on Sep 02 05:00:01 hi! Sep 02 05:00:19 in order to transfer everything on a n900 from one device to another, what would be good to back up except Sep 02 05:00:33 a) all files Sep 02 05:00:47 b) the backups made by the device's backup software Sep 02 05:01:01 c) list of installed packages Sep 02 05:01:46 a) all files ... everything is a file Sep 02 05:05:34 Which is a great benefit for scripting. Sep 02 05:12:24 robbiethe1st: answered to xkr47 Sep 02 05:12:32 [06:55] in order to transfer everything on a n900 from one device to another, what would be good to back up except Sep 02 05:12:32 [06:56] a) all files Sep 02 05:12:46 .. i guess the rest of his list is uninteresting by that now :( Sep 02 05:18:48 how would a bare metal recovery work with the n900? Sep 02 05:18:55 (ie. can it be done by an end user) Sep 02 05:25:41 joga: it's called cold flashing, yes Sep 02 05:57:11 cehteh, yeah but I'm not sure I could for example just sync all files to the new device.. and I'm not sure I can get a package list out of some debian binary files to know what to install in the new device Sep 02 05:57:33 dpkg --get-selections Sep 02 05:57:55 (and --set-selections) Sep 02 05:58:14 the buildin backup and fapman support that too Sep 02 07:26:42 xkr47: a backupmenu image :-D Sep 02 07:28:32 joga: real bare metal? out of luck you are, probably. CAL restore you must, but not having any you do Sep 02 07:30:12 joga: coldflash NOLO (if that's reall baer metal, otherwise not needed), then flash rootfs and eMMC, then install backupmenu, then restore backupmenu images Sep 02 07:30:39 s/reall baer/realy bare/ Sep 02 07:30:40 DocScrutinizer meant: joga: coldflash NOLO (if that's realy bare metal, otherwise not needed), then flash rootfs and eMMC, then install backupmenu, then restore backupmenu images Sep 02 07:39:13 DocScrutinizer, sounds like a hurdle :) Sep 02 07:39:33 DocScrutinizer, what? :) Sep 02 07:39:39 cehteh, thx Sep 02 07:39:54 cehteh, fapman ? Sep 02 07:39:56 ah ok Sep 02 07:40:02 some 3rd party Sep 02 07:40:08 check out backupmenu Sep 02 07:40:23 only way to do proper "disk images" Sep 02 07:41:12 funny enough this is the answer to both of you, xkr47 and joga Sep 02 07:41:40 hehe Sep 02 07:42:13 and you *might* wnat to search for a tmo thread "what is CAL" Sep 02 07:43:42 in short: the "config" partition on NAND that can't get backed up on N900 (unless robbiethe1st and me come up with a nifty solution a bit later) and rumour has it you're busted when you nuke it... So no "bare metal recovery" Sep 02 07:44:46 robbiethe1st: check out nandread/nandwrite also, maybe they are even nicer than mtd_debug Sep 02 07:45:22 come with mtd-tools pkg I guess Sep 02 07:49:25 Do note I'm not using either Sep 02 07:49:45 But yea, nandwrite'd be what I'd use for flashable images if I put them Sep 02 08:54:45 http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20100779-64/meego-os-fading-fast-intel-says-its-still-committed/ Sep 02 08:55:06 are there any meego products out yet, btw? Sep 02 08:57:37 no Sep 02 08:57:42 and there won't be any Sep 02 08:58:03 so n9 won't count? Sep 02 08:58:37 n9 has harmattan Sep 02 08:58:41 not meego Sep 02 08:59:12 wait, is the n9 going to be out *somewhere* at least? Sep 02 08:59:42 dunno Sep 02 09:00:08 ofc Sep 02 09:20:44 http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20100779-64/meego-os-fading-fast-intel-says-its-still-committed/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 Sep 02 09:21:00 Yea yea Sep 02 09:21:06 flux: some "pad" is on it's way... but that's about it Sep 02 09:21:06 Not news though Sep 02 09:27:40 WeTab is a meego product. Sep 02 09:28:56 Does it use Meego UX? Sep 02 09:30:25 RST38h, no Sep 02 09:30:31 but meego-core Sep 02 09:30:45 isn't meego-ux just a reference ux? Sep 02 09:53:55 Morning Sep 02 10:53:19 robbiethe1st: for doing backups of CAL you'd want to use nandread/nandwrite nevertheless Sep 02 10:53:33 as well as for kernel backups Sep 02 10:54:09 would augment backupmenu to a *complete* backup tool Sep 02 10:54:49 that's really capable to completely restore a device from a backup (and only from that backup) Sep 02 10:56:43 while now you're screwed if you want to rollback to previous kernel version and you don't have a install package for that old kernel Sep 02 10:57:08 even more same rationale applies to CAL that's not backup'able at all right now Sep 02 10:57:35 err not restorable Sep 02 10:58:56 phoenix has cal editor Sep 02 10:59:37 yeah, but that requires a) closed non-available software, b) a PC, c) a dongle (usually) Sep 02 11:00:25 while nandread&nandwrite could do a backup and restore of CAL *on device* Sep 02 11:01:16 it'd be a worthwhile project to RE the protocol between phoenix and NOLO though Sep 02 11:02:31 robbiethe1st: btw console only gave me a black unresponsive screen in backupmenu Sep 02 11:03:18 dunno, the main menu worked nice, so nfc why console doesn'T work on stock kernel Sep 02 11:04:25 another funny effect is when screen backlight goes from rather dim to full brightness when connecting charger Sep 02 11:05:07 I know there's a charging script, but never knew it's "messing" with screen brightness Sep 02 11:06:45 Meanwhile: Ohio man cuffed for shagging inflatable pool raft Sep 02 11:08:08 * RST38h was suspicious about Ohio since he heard two American girls on the metro chatting about how they escaped Ohio for Moscow to work in some weird Christian non-profit Sep 02 11:09:48 RST38h: lol Sep 02 11:09:56 <`0660> :) Sep 02 11:51:52 DocScrutinizer, Yes. No kernel FB module = no terminal(well, it's there but invisible, apparently). And dim -> bright, yea. it's a feature; that way you know it's charging(or not) Sep 02 11:52:18 dim is because people want to save power, but on charger, it should be bright(what's the harm?) Sep 02 11:52:20 :-D Sep 02 11:53:40 what a Kernel FaceBook module ? Sep 02 11:53:41 :) Sep 02 11:55:58 Kernel AdSense module, rather Sep 02 11:56:06 with its own tcp/ip stack Sep 02 11:57:39 framebuffer Sep 02 12:12:46 is there a sms sending problem with the latest power-kernel? Sep 02 12:13:04 Or is my sql database only to full Sep 02 12:13:10 are there some problems known? Sep 02 12:15:23 sms sending with pk48 wfm Sep 02 12:16:05 Hey guys, is there any hack Sep 02 12:16:21 for disabling that mmc magnet watcher? Sep 02 12:18:38 patch ke-recv, or patch kernel Sep 02 13:17:54 Meanwhile: Baidu has forked Android, launching a mobile OS at its annual shindig which also saw the Chinese search outfit slotting web apps into its home page to go with its Chrome-alike browser. Sep 02 14:29:45 Meanwhile: Samsung CEO Choi Gee Sung told a group of reporters at IFA that the company would "never" pursue a webOS deal, and bemoaned the trend of "acquiring an operating system." Sep 02 15:44:29 How can I find in which package icd/osso-ic-dbus.h is? Sep 02 15:46:41 dpkg --help Sep 02 15:46:58 thanks Sep 02 15:47:08 for the pointer ;) Sep 02 15:47:19 I think it might be -S Sep 02 15:47:31 but not sure Sep 02 15:47:42 u right ;) Sep 02 15:49:49 though dpkg cannot find it Sep 02 15:50:04 anyone heard of a Sep 02 15:50:24 that's probably in a -dev pkg Sep 02 15:50:27 not on the device Sep 02 15:51:20 so why dpkg -S cannot find it Sep 02 15:51:59 iirc it only looks through installed pkgs Sep 02 15:52:05 maybe check apt-cache or something Sep 02 15:52:22 and the device wouldn't provide sources normally :p Sep 02 15:52:58 hoo, I see apt-cache is what I need Sep 02 15:53:17 sdk image on device :) Sep 02 15:53:37 I need a hand-warmer for next winter Sep 02 15:55:01 Thanks a lot Sep 02 16:06:21 well this is odd. lost my pen Sep 02 16:06:30 i wonder where it's at Sep 02 16:07:34 psycho_oreos: you pinged me like 1 week ago? Sep 02 16:09:35 Shapeshifter, yeah I did, though I used a workaround instead.. now that leaves a suggestion for alarmed Sep 02 18:54:05 * timeless kicks the n900 Address Book Sep 02 18:55:03 it's giving me "Can't perform operation. Internal error" when i try to update a contact Sep 02 19:53:47 wow Sep 02 19:53:53 people still touch maemo bugzilla? Sep 02 19:54:47 hehe Sep 02 19:55:41 * timeless sighs Sep 02 19:55:46 "New contact" is hanging Sep 02 19:56:00 and i can't make a phone call, because the phone app is what triggered the "new contact" Sep 02 19:56:25 this is an example of how using libraries instead of out of process api calls results in really crappy end user behavior Sep 02 19:56:54 -- why should my phone be stuck just because some crappy library can't manage its address book correctly? -- Sep 02 19:59:40 timeless, amusingly, qgil made some meego bugs there Sep 02 20:35:36 timeless, if everything is eventually hanging, you might have stumbled upon the all-IO-hangs kernel bug Sep 02 20:36:05 ham is stuck too.. Sep 02 20:36:53 top claims that ham is using cpu time Sep 02 20:37:04 kernel isn't doing anything with emmc anymore, everything that accesses it, either to swapin/swapout, or page in parts of theme,locale,icons, or indeed an executable (or repo data as is the case with ham) will hang Sep 02 20:37:08 and rtcom-call-ui appears a bit Sep 02 20:37:51 oh, I guess IO is still working if you were able to launch xterm :-) Sep 02 20:38:15 well, i had an xterm already Sep 02 20:38:22 not sure of your definition of "launch" Sep 02 20:38:40 and i dunno if top is part of busybox and thus not actually a "launch" either Sep 02 20:38:47 something funny happened to me today. HAM was saying "One or more catalogs failed to update", I tapped away that, and then it tried to update again. Repeat indefinitely :-) Sep 02 20:38:59 it's busybox and stored on nand Sep 02 20:39:00 i've hit that Sep 02 20:39:15 some mozilla repo I had for fennec 404d Sep 02 20:39:21 yeah Sep 02 20:40:49 "ps aux | grep D", if there's stuff repeatedly stuck with "D" in the "STAT" column you're basically fucked and need a reboot to recover Sep 02 20:41:15 ham probably doesn't count Sep 02 20:42:59 or anything that actually uses cpu in top Sep 02 20:45:11 ShadowJK: Or a strategic kill Sep 02 20:47:44 [mmcqd] Sep 02 20:47:56 [pdflush] Sep 02 20:48:01 lzop Sep 02 20:48:09 apt-worker Sep 02 20:48:23 * timeless wonders what lzop was trying to do Sep 02 20:48:25 maybe its just swapping too much? Sep 02 20:49:02 sure, but what's it for? Sep 02 20:51:00 there's an lzop compression program Sep 02 20:51:06 SpeedEvil, doesn't work Sep 02 20:51:23 yeah, you can't kill things stuck in kernel land Sep 02 20:54:12 if ham/apt-worker is still showing CPU time it's not stuck Sep 02 20:54:29 contacts probably goes crazy if diskspace is low, too Sep 02 20:55:03 ~40mb avail on rootfs Sep 02 20:55:15 ShadowJK: Oh - I missed that bit. Sep 02 20:55:17 >1000mb on /home Sep 02 20:55:27 >26gb on MyDocs Sep 02 21:09:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHIYNc2nd4w&feature=related Ringtone cuteporn. Sep 03 00:07:37 Hello fellow Maemo-users! :D Sep 03 00:08:26 Am developing an application over a few months now, and decided to upgrade it a little with a 'swipe-in-time' feature Sep 03 00:09:10 user swipes left->right / right->left and window changes, any idea how to implement this? Sep 03 01:50:43 chattan: 猜啊。 Sep 03 01:51:23 lol,我这个软件竟然可以从右往左写。 Sep 03 01:51:30 这是什么啊。 Sep 03 02:36:32 anybody here running the rootfs from eMMC? Sep 03 02:37:08 wonder if we can simply pass new atags to the kernel instead of using a bootmenu.sh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 03 02:59:56 2011