**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 10 02:59:58 2011 Sep 10 03:45:51 is the latest CSSU PR 1.4 or is it still in testing Sep 10 08:42:06 'sup maemo Sep 10 08:42:19 crashanddie: git black magic Sep 10 08:42:29 hmm? Sep 10 08:42:44 That's up ;) Sep 10 08:42:45 there's no black magic in git, just order and reason. Sep 10 08:43:16 Black magic is the art of doing something nobody else understands Sep 10 08:43:48 I don't see what git has to do with that ;) Sep 10 08:44:18 I've got a couple dozen people using my gitorious install every day, working very smoothly Sep 10 10:18:40 Hi guys. Reflash day :) The Nokia-provided backup tool also backs up contacts I hope? Since that's essentially the only I really need it to backup, I want to start with a clean slate. Going to rsync the whole thing now anyways, so can't really miss anything, but would like to be VERY sure. Sep 10 10:19:34 /home/user/.osso-abook* are iirc the contacts Sep 10 10:21:18 flashing only rootfs won't remove contacts anyways :) Sep 10 10:23:00 I want to enlarge /home as well, so eMMC is also going :) Sep 10 10:23:27 My crappy internet dropped btw, did I miss a reply before yours MohammadAG? Sep 10 10:23:36 /home/user/.osso-abook* are iirc the contacts Sep 10 10:23:56 Thanks :) Sep 10 10:40:35 ~reflash Sep 10 10:40:35 i guess reflash is zImage and/or initrd.bin on CF and press C+D+Reset (collie) OR updater.sh, zimage.bin and/or initrd.bin on CF/SD and press OK while rebooting, then option 4, then CD or SF, then HAI (yes), then wait and cross fingers (all other models) Sep 10 10:40:56 Hm.. not the info I was looking for :) Sep 10 10:41:37 I have no idea how to tell infobot this, but shouldn't ~reflash mention http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware ? Sep 10 10:45:01 Btw, why is the rootfs image also called FIASCO? I find it funny to think it's because of the events leading up to a reflash, but that's probably not it ;) Sep 10 10:50:21 I wouldn't know why its called fiasco nor would I know the full name if its an abbreviated term. afaik it doesn't just contain rootfs images, it also contains images for the bootloader (NOLO) amongst a few other things Sep 10 10:50:32 infobot: what on earth are you talking about collie for? Sep 10 10:50:34 lbt: what are you talking about? Sep 10 10:50:53 infobot: collie, you muppet Sep 10 10:57:02 On a related note: That page keeps going on about "this doesn't reset your lock code". I don't use a lock code, but a question does come to mind: What if you forgot your lock code? Is there a way to reset it? Sep 10 10:57:56 if your device wasn't initially powered on, no, if your device is still powered on and has not shown the lock code yet then yes Sep 10 10:58:25 though there is a workaround by using older firmware.. I don't know if it works (I think the last time I tried it but it didn't work) Sep 10 10:58:54 in either case the lock code is encrypted and can be easily decrypted with a normal computer Sep 10 11:00:03 Ok, so in the remote case that you turn off your phone and forget your lock code before turning it on again (talk about short-term memory) you can still get at it. What encryption does it use that's so easily crackable? Sep 10 11:00:25 IIRC DES Sep 10 11:01:36 it is DES Sep 10 11:02:09 its a lot better than its predecessors (i.e. N8x0 and possibly even 770) which had lock codes in plaintext Sep 10 11:02:42 If you turned off your device and forgot it has a lock code, you'll have to use the workaround which requires flashing at least 3 times altogether Sep 10 11:03:07 you can boot another OS and read it from mtd, and crack it on your computer Sep 10 11:04:05 Funny. I never got the point of these things anyways, since by the time someone has physical access to the device all security is broken anyways. Sep 10 11:04:52 booting from another OS requires the other OS to be installed in the first place :) Sep 10 11:04:53 yes, therefore I don't see the point in encrypting it. It's just some stupid after all and does not protect your files. Sep 10 11:05:00 psycho_oreos: no Sep 10 11:05:28 It's possible to load it with the flasher for example. Sep 10 11:06:22 NIN101, yes it is possible but if one is knowledgeable in doing so why go to that extent when a simple reflash would do? plus not all flash methods are 100% safe either Sep 10 11:06:44 ErwinJunge__, not all the time will the thief be that knowledgeable :) Sep 10 11:08:01 in fact in a much simpler scenario that the thief was dumb enough to turn off the stolen device with lock code enabled would probably chuck the device away upon seeing the lock code when the device is turned on.. unless of course the thief is knowledgeable in flashing devices.. again it all depends Sep 10 11:08:22 well, for a correct security concept you have to assume that :-). Sep 10 11:09:48 then again if one was that paranoid about it, they can either simply not take their device around and to keep it in a safe when not in use.. or otherwise employ something like truecrypt Sep 10 11:12:05 the latter is what I'm doing, and something more. And the lock code is still activated, if someone steals my phone while it is turned on it's he/she would still have access to the files obviously. Sep 10 11:13:12 not if you set autolock to a much shorter interval :) Sep 10 11:13:41 does lock make mass storage not work? Sep 10 11:13:43 yeah, it's on 5 minutes. Sep 10 11:14:23 SpeedEvil, lock code/autolock? no I doubt it Sep 10 11:14:36 but how can you click on "mass-storage mode" when the device is locked... Sep 10 11:14:39 *touch Sep 10 11:15:01 in fact you can't even get out of the lock screen :) Sep 10 11:15:27 ah Sep 10 11:15:41 Never used lock Sep 10 11:16:41 not afraid of someone else fiddling your device when you're not physically there? ;) Sep 10 11:17:10 No. :( Sep 10 11:17:42 heh that's a bad practise.. I have a habit of autolocking my device Sep 10 11:18:13 Depends how often it's out of your posession Sep 10 11:18:55 there's never a depending factor :) once its lost it'll be a lesson learnt or you'll never learn :) Sep 10 11:19:18 i.e. its better to be safe than sorry regardless of the outcome Sep 10 11:19:23 Sure. Sep 10 11:19:49 But if you're out with the phone 16h/day, vs 16h/year, forex Sep 10 11:20:59 actually thinking about it, you don't really need to even boot with another OS, flash with older PR, etc.. if the thief that has possession of your device, he could get away with using flash box.. there's no need to mess around too much Sep 10 11:21:25 it doesn't mean that 16h/year meant that your device is guaranteed to not get stolen within that time frame :) Sep 10 11:21:53 You know... what we really need is a lock screen that, when a wrong password is entered, loads a "blank" home-screen and virtual disk images. And activates Prey. Sep 10 11:21:57 you could be walking home late one time from a pub and you happen to be mugged.. the thieves stole all your important possessions Sep 10 11:22:18 Therefor, someone can hit a key, get in(so they won't wipe it) but won't have access to your stuff Sep 10 11:22:39 Multiple user accounts would be nice Sep 10 11:24:13 I really don't think the thieves would be interested in what you stash on your device.. even if its some rare porn you happen to just have. All they care about is reselling and reaping the profits Sep 10 11:24:13 Yea, have a "guest" account for error on login... Sep 10 11:25:32 in other words.. if they can freely access your stuff, its a bonus.. otherwise they're in for profit making Sep 10 11:26:07 For safety reasons I use full system encryption with Fedora on my laptop, but that has the potential danger of "lose your pass, lose everything" since it's completely unrecoverable. Sep 10 11:29:26 Backup Sep 10 11:30:14 idont, just out of curiosity, are you the creator behind that N900's promotional video with the intro that goes off about N900 versus iPhone? Sep 10 11:30:26 bbl Sep 10 11:31:00 psycho_oreos, nope, haven't made any videos Sep 10 11:31:20 idont, fair enough, just funny to keep seeing your handle and being reminded of that video Sep 10 11:31:40 psycho_oreos, I see ;) Sep 10 11:31:54 idont, you do know which video I'm referring to right? :D Sep 10 11:32:20 psycho_oreos, tbh not, but I do have an idea about the content of that video Sep 10 11:32:36 *nods to oreos* Sep 10 11:32:55 idont, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk6F2V144Hc Sep 10 11:33:37 I had a device stolen few weeks ago, all the thief did was to just immediately shut off the wireless connections and reflash it… otherwise I would've been able to track him down Sep 10 11:34:58 psycho_oreos, haha, I've never seen that video before. I see your point now :-p Sep 10 11:35:24 it even has the capital D in it ( like my TMO account) Sep 10 11:36:00 ysss, I guess you're unlucky to have the thief knowing how to flash the device.. there was a tmo thread of a lucky person who happen to track his stolen device down when the thief simply restored factory settings Sep 10 11:36:15 idont, heh ironic no? :D Sep 10 11:36:20 I've protected my device against flashing. Sep 10 11:36:32 SpeedEvil, wtf how? Sep 10 11:36:53 Take the device, put the wall-charger in, and then drop it right on the plug. Sep 10 11:37:11 lol and a broken microUSB port : Sep 10 11:37:12 :p Sep 10 11:37:32 psycho_oreos, well, it's not like I chose my name because I'm that much into Apple hw ;-) Sep 10 11:37:39 the thief sure will have good time reselling that broken N900 ;) Sep 10 11:37:40 psycho_oreos: yeah, I read that… and some other blog articles of people stalkingg their thieves as well. I was hoping that my thief would do something 'silly' as that, alas it didn't turn out that way. Sep 10 11:37:45 Fortunately, the pads at the back look clear - I just need to get up the energy to solder it on Sep 10 11:38:10 idont, nah it was coincidental that your handle was the same as that N900 video which gone viral back in the days Sep 10 11:38:27 ysss, yeah that sucks :/ sorry to hear that Sep 10 11:38:44 Currently swapping battery daily Sep 10 11:38:47 psycho_oreos, I see Sep 10 11:39:04 idont, and a nice music theme to boot :D Sep 10 11:39:18 yep Sep 10 11:39:27 :-D Sep 10 11:55:28 Any experiences with swappolube? The wiki page explains the different options, but doesn't have any actual measurements of effects. Did anyone do some sort of benchmark test? Sep 10 12:07:29 is there a reason for all these CSSU updates? Sep 10 12:22:26 hd portrait + whitelist + others fix, typo fixed, security fix Sep 10 12:22:42 it doesn't hurt to follow that tmo thread :P Sep 10 12:37:11 anyone having gps issues with latest cssu? Sep 10 12:38:57 * angelox|laptop is waked up Sep 10 12:39:14 Hi DocScrutinizer51 Sep 10 12:40:03 Is there a public key available for https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/? Sep 10 12:40:33 yes Sep 10 12:40:35 When I use gpg --recv-key ADB4438160A655EF Sep 10 12:40:42 I'm unable to pull it in Sep 10 12:40:54 It should likely get published Sep 10 12:41:21 So that people who are getting warnings can verify the authenticity of the repo Sep 10 12:41:25 I'm sure a copy of the key might be on the device itself.. i.e. N900 Sep 10 12:43:24 I'm suspicious that it is not: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76410 Sep 10 12:43:27 anybody using openvpn on N900? Sep 10 12:43:48 That thread points to people having problems with that key. Sep 10 12:43:49 i seem to get "TLS: tls_process: killed expiring key" in openvpn sessions. Sep 10 12:44:07 trumee: Looks like your key is expired? Sep 10 12:44:37 jeremiah_: i havent set any key. Sep 10 12:44:54 jeremiah_: I have the same problem Sep 10 12:44:56 just did apt-get update Sep 10 12:45:11 jeremiah_: http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-users/2007-07/msg00104.html Sep 10 12:45:23 The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ADB4438160A655EF Sep 10 12:45:47 jeremiah_: seems like there is some permissions issue Sep 10 12:46:17 trumee: Yeah, I think you're right Sep 10 12:46:29 What is the name of your Openvpn conf file? Sep 10 12:46:40 I call mine the default name "tun0.conf" Sep 10 12:46:50 And on my debian box it lives in /etc/openvpn/ Sep 10 12:46:54 jeremiah_: funny thing is that opevpn process is run as root so it should have all the permissions Sep 10 12:47:22 jeremiah_: shouldnt matter what the conf files are called i guess Sep 10 12:47:34 trumee: Yeah. I think it has to run as root since it is giving you a new IP address, but I think permissions will still matter. Sep 10 12:48:00 trumee: No, you're likely right, shouldn't matter what they are called, but we can at least look at the perms of the conf file Sep 10 12:48:06 See if we see anything obvious. Sep 10 12:48:53 jeremiah_: going by the link above, it is probably the cert/key file permissions which matter Sep 10 12:49:15 jeremiah_: btw, you dont get that error? Sep 10 12:50:02 Which error? Sep 10 12:50:14 The openvpn error or the missing key error? Sep 10 12:50:47 When I run openvpn here, I don't get any errors. Sep 10 12:50:48 jeremiah_: expired key error on N900? Sep 10 12:51:03 trumee: No, but I haven't tried to access that Nokia URL either. :/ Sep 10 12:51:21 This happens from time to time though if I remember correctly. Sep 10 12:51:26 jeremiah_: the error triggers after exactly one hour of running openvpn Sep 10 12:51:40 Ah, that. Hmm. Weird. Sep 10 12:51:51 I wonder if there is a setting you can tweak? Sep 10 12:52:34 jeremiah_: "reneg-sec 3600" Sep 10 12:53:02 Have you tweaked that? :) Sep 10 12:53:29 jeremiah_: not yet but i would rather have the permissions issue solved rather than tweaking the behaviour Sep 10 12:56:02 heh, probably the smarter way to go. :) Sep 10 12:56:47 trumee: This is what I have on my conf file: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3457 Aug 26 23:19 /etc/openvpn/tun0.conf Sep 10 12:57:43 jeremiah_, have you checked the gpg keys inside /etc/apt on your N900? those trustdb.gpg, trusted.gpg, trusted.gpg~ contains keys for the repositories Sep 10 12:57:49 how about the permissions of key file? Sep 10 12:58:47 jeremiah_: the permissions of my key file is -rw------- Sep 10 12:59:06 jeremiah_: and crt file is -rw-r--r-- Sep 10 13:04:47 Key file has the same perms as yours Sep 10 13:04:57 But not root Sep 10 13:05:06 That one is owned by me Sep 10 13:06:11 psycho_oreos: Are you sure those are up to date? And that they cover the download repo? Sep 10 13:08:30 jeremiah_, http://pastebin.com/Hynbc64Y Sep 10 13:47:09 * DocScrutinizer wonders about running apt under user account might do some weird things Sep 10 13:47:24 It just says 'go away' Sep 10 13:47:30 must be root Sep 10 13:48:19 why isn't the user always root anyway Sep 10 13:48:24 it's a very, *very* single-user system Sep 10 13:49:18 Some seperation is a good idea IMO Sep 10 13:49:51 If only from the fact that userspace can't easily kill non-user processes Sep 10 13:49:57 kerio: running all processes as root is a very poor idea, no matter how single-user the system seems to be Sep 10 13:49:59 kerio: because of the danger of fuckups Sep 10 13:50:08 DocScrutinizer: sudo gainroot Sep 10 13:50:22 kerio: what? Sep 10 13:50:23 or HAM Sep 10 13:50:37 if you're not going to ask for a password you might as well just leave everything open Sep 10 13:51:47 kerio: That is actually a good point, passwordless root is a serious problem. A user that types "sudo gainroot" *should* go into "careful now, this could be dangerous" mode Sep 10 13:52:05 no, gainroot should be removed Sep 10 13:52:24 add user to /etc/sudoers, asking for a password Sep 10 13:52:31 and set a password Sep 10 13:52:52 That's definetely better, agreed. Same goes for ssh btw. Why do I have to ssh in as root always? Sep 10 13:53:46 I'm not bothered enough to fix it myself though. Are you? Sep 10 13:53:55 u can set sudo gainroot to require password Sep 10 13:53:58 kerio: BS Sep 10 13:54:14 gainroot can't be remved Sep 10 13:54:24 Is the ssh as root thing even fixable? Sep 10 13:54:37 DocScrutinizer: why not Sep 10 13:55:02 ErwinJunge__: yes, i disabled it on mine Sep 10 13:55:30 kerio: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools , § "# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot" Sep 10 13:55:39 Sicelo: Could you provide some instructions? I guess it involves somehow setting a pass for user? Sep 10 13:56:00 pity i messed something up somehow, now can't demand password for sudo gainroot :( Sep 10 13:57:05 kerio: (why not) there's no other way on a busybox system to become root Sep 10 13:57:38 yes ErwinJunge__, then you edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config ... there's a part that says 'PermitRootLogin' Sep 10 13:57:51 DocScrutinizer: /sbin/sudo? Sep 10 13:58:07 kerio: as su doesn't work, due to lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2010-06-23 06:13 /bin/su -> busybox Sep 10 13:58:25 sudo -i Sep 10 13:59:49 less `which gainroot` Sep 10 14:00:01 heh, Scumbag N900 - Marketed to linux nerds / Uses busybox Sep 10 14:00:15 Sicelo: Wouldn't setting a pass for user somehow screw up stuff? It seems to me that if this was a good idea it would be the default? Sep 10 14:00:37 nope. doesn't screw anything :) Sep 10 14:01:21 Considering that I'm about to reflash anyway, I might as well test it after the rsync is done. rsyncing over usb network takes ages btw. Sep 10 14:02:05 so presently u ssh as root and do everything as root too? Sep 10 14:03:21 Yup Sep 10 14:03:31 I don't like it though, but that's what the default does... Sep 10 14:03:49 su - user Sep 10 14:03:57 I prefer the sudo "root for the duration of one command" style Sep 10 14:04:30 DocScrutinizer: just doing ssh user@n900 seems the "right" way to do things Sep 10 14:04:42 yeah, sure Sep 10 14:04:48 I just didn't bother Sep 10 14:05:13 didn't bother with what DocScrutinizer? Sep 10 14:05:15 Neither did I. It bothers me a bit that I'm always sshing as root, but not enough to fix it yet. Sep 10 14:05:38 with being / not being root when ssh'ing to N900 Sep 10 14:06:59 actually I can ssh in via root and user account same way Sep 10 14:07:52 as I've set up authorized_keys for user account as well Sep 10 14:07:58 if only i could figure out why i can't set password to be required for root again Sep 10 14:08:12 eh? Sep 10 14:08:21 on sudo gainroot? Sep 10 14:08:41 Sicelo: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools , § "# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot" Sep 10 14:08:53 DocScrutinizer: I get permission denied, since the pass isn't correct (it can't be, since I never set it in the first place) Sep 10 14:09:13 ErwinJunge__: on which action? Sep 10 14:09:21 ssh user@n900 Sep 10 14:09:41 the point is you can't ssh to an account that has no password set Sep 10 14:09:49 That's what I just said :) Sep 10 14:10:22 err what? Sep 10 14:10:35 >>...since I never set it in the first place<< Sep 10 14:10:46 That I can't ssh in as user since I never set the pass for user Sep 10 14:11:03 so where's the problem? Sep 10 14:11:07 your tools page helped .... but something must have happened thereafter, as no password is required for sudo gainroot, even though all the relevant files are as in your method Sep 10 14:11:41 you've run update-sudoers? Sep 10 14:11:44 The problem is that I didn't set a pass :) The reason however is that I always thought it might screw up the boot process somehow. Sep 10 14:12:02 yes, update-sudoers runs fine Sep 10 14:12:56 http://www.extremetech.com/computing/95457-how-to-surf-t-mobile-without-a-data-plan --> This is amazing :) Sep 10 14:13:25 Umm... Sep 10 14:16:04 my /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo file has the Defaults targetpw and USER ALL = PASSWD : /usr/sbin/gainroot Sep 10 14:16:40 ~ $ sudo -l |grep gainroot Sep 10 14:16:41 (root) /usr/sbin/gainroot Sep 10 14:17:34 Sicelo: also a sudo -k might help ;-) Sep 10 14:18:23 Sicelo: you're aware that sudo usually remembers password for a user, for some 5 min Sep 10 14:19:46 i wasn't aware, but this is the same even after a reboot Sep 10 14:19:58 hmm, strange then Sep 10 14:20:30 indeed, as for the bove commands, i get the same output u have just posted Sep 10 14:20:50 s/bov/abov/ Sep 10 14:20:51 Sicelo meant: indeed, as for the above commands, i get the same output u have just posted Sep 10 14:21:48 grep gainroot /etc/sudoers Sep 10 14:22:55 must be in that file only once, like >> user ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot << Sep 10 14:23:46 user ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot Sep 10 14:24:02 same Sep 10 14:24:11 ~bm Sep 10 14:24:11 it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Sep 10 14:25:58 Sicelo: so only thing I could imagine is you've set an empty root password Sep 10 14:26:28 Sicelo: also please try sudo -k Sep 10 14:28:03 let me confirm root password. i positive i set it, but let me see :) Sep 10 14:28:30 setting root password again is never a bad idea ;-) Sep 10 14:29:38 of course a grep "^root" /etc/passwd also helps Sep 10 14:30:13 it's set. Sep 10 14:31:48 then do an "id" please Sep 10 14:32:47 (as obviously root doesn't need to enter password for "sudo gainroot") Sep 10 14:32:58 uid=0(root) gid=0(root) Sep 10 14:33:03 ;-P Sep 10 14:33:12 uid=0(root) gid=0(root) Sep 10 14:33:13 su - user Sep 10 14:33:18 sudo gainroot Sep 10 14:33:51 sorry, the above is if i'm root Sep 10 14:34:03 uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) if i'm user Sep 10 14:34:11 that's obvious Sep 10 14:38:21 sudo -k; if [ x$(whoami) == xroot ]; then echo "you're not supposed to run sudo gainroot as root, please use sudo - user!"; fi; root Sep 10 14:39:33 though: Sep 10 14:39:38 IroN900:~# sudo gainroot Sep 10 14:39:39 root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. Sep 10 14:44:26 Sicelo: anyway see http://paste.debian.net/129209/ esp line 16 Sep 10 14:44:28 guess it will be fixed on a next flash :( Sep 10 14:45:24 I honestly fail to see where's the problem, except you not being aware of sudo -k Sep 10 14:46:11 i run sudo -k, and get back to the prompt Sep 10 14:46:35 that's ok, sudo -k just expires the password memory Sep 10 14:46:47 see http://paste.debian.net/129209/ Sep 10 14:47:36 first time the root cmd didn't ask for password as it had been in sudo's 5min memory Sep 10 14:47:49 after sudo -k it asks for password Sep 10 14:47:53 (line 16) Sep 10 14:49:03 for me it's still the same. strange, because this worked before. guess i installed something which messed it Sep 10 14:49:40 I can'T see what could mess it up, if there's only one line for gainroot in etc/sudoers Sep 10 14:50:33 only a rooted /usr/sbin/sudo could cause this Sep 10 14:51:14 IroN900:~# ls -l `which sudo` Sep 10 14:51:16 -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 91584 2009-04-17 10:50 /usr/bin/sudo Sep 10 14:52:00 if this binary is correct, and /etc/sudoers file is correct, then how could it fail? Sep 10 14:52:50 grep "gainroot" /etc/sudoers Sep 10 14:52:50 and i have same output too, except mine is 90040 bytes :/ Sep 10 14:53:04 duh Sep 10 14:53:45 your device got rooted ;-P Sep 10 14:54:41 IroN900:~# grep "gainroot" /etc/sudoers Sep 10 14:54:43 user ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot Sep 10 14:54:44 IroN900:~# Sep 10 14:55:17 there must not be more than one line containing gainroot in etc/sudoers! Sep 10 14:55:40 i have only one Sep 10 14:55:53 if there isn't, and the one line in yours looks like that one above, then the sudo binary is the culprit Sep 10 14:56:09 * Sicelo suspects package sudser Sep 10 14:56:15 eeeeew Sep 10 14:57:46 hmm http://maemo.org/packages/view/sudser/ Sep 10 14:59:27 uh Sep 10 14:59:55 is there any weather widget that can connect to 3G hourly and disconnect after it has fetched the new data Sep 10 15:00:20 no widget does disconnect from 3G Sep 10 15:00:36 Sicelo: seems sudser is "clean" Sep 10 15:02:33 i think i'll try reinstall rootsh and see Sep 10 15:02:48 bindi: basically icd2 does "disconnect" though actually you never disconnect from 3G APN login usually - there are some apps that claim to do that, for errr unclear reasons, as mere being "online" not in itself eats any power or data volume Sep 10 15:03:21 Sicelo: I'd like to understand why your sudo binary has different size than mine Sep 10 15:03:35 hey guys Sep 10 15:03:41 does some of u develop on device? Sep 10 15:04:24 I would just like to know where is the 4.74 qt-x11-maemo Sep 10 15:04:32 Sicelo: http://paste.debian.net/129211/ Sep 10 15:04:56 also is there a arm qt4-dev package for this version? Sep 10 15:07:56 here's mine, looks similar .. http://pastebin.com/5dH1QcDR Sep 10 15:09:30 hmm, yeah. so WTF it has different size? Sep 10 15:10:14 actually I start to think about s/;-P/:-S/ in [2011-09-10 16:48:14] your device got rooted ;-P Sep 10 15:10:59 please paste full output of ls -l `which sudo` Sep 10 15:12:31 http://pastebin.com/MmrPA595 Sep 10 15:15:24 sigh, this one line could've been the output ;-P Sep 10 15:15:39 sysinfo-tool -g /device/sw-release-ver ? Sep 10 15:15:59 please don't pastebin Sep 10 15:16:07 :-D it's also one line Sep 10 15:16:27 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 here Sep 10 15:16:40 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 Sep 10 15:17:34 some fsckng rogue package installed a fake /usr/bin/sudo on your system Sep 10 15:18:08 or on mine ;-P Sep 10 15:18:19 DocScrutinizer: so you're saying being connected to the internet using 3G and doing nothing doesnt drain battery more? Sep 10 15:18:30 yes, exactly Sep 10 15:18:48 unless you are getting pings from the internet Sep 10 15:19:03 DocScrutinizer: busybox-power (extras-devel version) fixes su: /bin/su -> /bin/busybox_root Sep 10 15:19:11 which has: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 80768 Sep 10 14:50 /bin/busybox_root Sep 10 15:19:14 lol, i think it's my side, and i'm really suspecting sudser. i think the behavior started around time i anstalled it Sep 10 15:19:22 for that there's actually only the teardown of GPRS connection Sep 10 15:19:31 though I know you dislike 'messybox' ;-). Just sayin' Sep 10 15:20:13 Sicelo: I cheked the sudser source in that .tgz, it looks "clean" Sep 10 15:20:44 idont: thanks for informing me Sep 10 15:21:10 DocScrutinizer: yw Sep 10 15:21:46 btw, don't mind the date of the /bin/busybox_root binary, I'm currently testing BusyBox 1.19.2, which has been released a few days ago, on my device. Sep 10 15:22:46 * Sicelo wonders if apt-get install sudo won't make matter worse :/ Sep 10 15:23:28 idont: I'd not like to swap fremantle busybox for any augmented stuff, too much risk to break system init. I'd rather go for a parallel decent shell plus unix tools every day Sep 10 15:24:54 Sicelo: http://paste.debian.net/129216/ Sep 10 15:25:01 Sicelo: go for it Sep 10 15:25:43 don't forget to copy the "rogue" sudo binary to a safe place prior to doing apt-get install Sep 10 15:25:52 for later forensic purposes Sep 10 15:26:42 DocScrutinizer: yep, I've noticed your opinion in the chan log before, and I see your point. I, for one, like to have most of the common *NIX utilities on my device by default without taking up too much space. When I do need full GNU versions, I'll only install those. Sep 10 15:27:22 But of course, bash > ash :-) Sep 10 15:27:28 fair enough, I just am concerned about the risk to swap out stock busybox Sep 10 15:28:12 if I may believe http://maemo.org/download-stats2/index.php?unixname=busybox-power&os=Maemo5, then it should be risk free as I haven't had a single report of a failing device Sep 10 15:28:12 yuck, my grammar gets worse every day... *I'm just concerned* Sep 10 15:28:28 *relatively risk free, you can never be sure of course Sep 10 15:30:03 anyway fellas, RL is fading away around me, since hours actually. IOW I need a break Sep 10 15:31:11 thanks :) Sep 10 15:31:22 Sicelo: what's your policy for sudo? Sep 10 15:31:40 atp-cache policy sudo Sep 10 15:31:45 apt even Sep 10 15:31:56 same as here? Sep 10 15:34:46 yes, same Sep 10 15:35:13 so go and reinstall from nokia repo via apt-get Sep 10 15:35:25 check if size changed after that Sep 10 15:36:01 prior to that do a cp `which sudo` /home/user/MySpace Sep 10 15:36:27 and MAKE A BACKUP!! preferrably via BM Sep 10 15:36:37 ~bm Sep 10 15:36:37 hmm... backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Sep 10 15:37:22 as breaking sudo or the sudoers config will definitely kill your system and require a reflash usually Sep 10 15:37:27 hmm Sep 10 15:37:33 how can I get adblock for opera on the n900? Sep 10 15:38:01 * DocScrutinizer is Over&Out Sep 10 15:38:22 ah Sep 10 15:40:42 DUH Sep 10 15:40:52 Sicelo: you got R&D mode enabled? Sep 10 15:41:38 (not that this would explain the different size of binary, but it would explain the behaviour at least) Sep 10 15:46:37 no. i have never used R&D Sep 10 16:06:36 For some of my sites microb always asks for a password even though i have saved them before. weird. Sep 10 16:11:54 Sicelo, DocScrutinizer: -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 90040 Apr 17 2009 /usr/bin/sudo --> Mine is same size as Sicelo's Sep 10 16:14:14 Quick reboot Sep 10 16:21:28 weird stuff, on my both devices it's 91584 Sep 10 16:22:17 I wonder if any of the *-gnu packages I installed might have replaced it Sep 10 16:23:23 if any apt/dpkg guru would tell me how to find *all* the packages on a deb system that provide a certain file... Sep 10 16:23:58 it requires special information on the repo I do not think maemo.org provides Sep 10 16:24:01 it's called apt-file Sep 10 16:24:08 :-/ Sep 10 16:24:11 unless you mean "all installed packages"? Sep 10 16:24:14 thanks javispedro Sep 10 16:24:19 yeah Sep 10 16:24:21 ah Sep 10 16:24:23 then it's easy Sep 10 16:24:26 dpkg -S /file Sep 10 16:24:27 of course all installed pkgs Sep 10 16:25:02 IroN900:~# dpkg -S `which sudo` Sep 10 16:25:04 sudo: /usr/bin/sudo Sep 10 16:27:11 DocScrutinizer: Can't test for you right now, in reflashing Sep 10 16:27:18 s/in// Sep 10 16:27:19 ErwinJunge meant: DocScrutizer: Can't test for you right now, in reflashing Sep 10 16:27:42 Ah, you got what I meant :) Sep 10 16:30:15 apt-cache policy $(dpkg -S $(which sudo)|cut -d: -f1) Sep 10 16:30:41 gives a proper Installed: 1:1.6.8p12-4osso22+0m5 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages Sep 10 16:35:14 javispedro: thanks :-) Sep 10 16:35:27 np Sep 10 16:35:57 javispedro: what's your size in ls -l `which sudo` ? Sep 10 16:36:30 90040 Sep 10 16:36:36 o.O Sep 10 16:37:03 fremantle pr1.3, mdate Apr 17 2009 Sep 10 16:37:20 lol, yeah, that's same on all systems it seems Sep 10 16:38:34 IroN900:~# busybox ls -l `which sudo` Sep 10 16:38:36 -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 91584 Apr 17 2009 /usr/bin/sudo Sep 10 16:41:11 phew, phone still lives. Flashing anything (phone, bios, anything) always leads to a high-stress situation for me. I'm just very scared to brick stuff. Sep 10 16:42:02 After it finally finishes booting for the first time, I'll tell you what sudo looks like on a fresh pr1.3 system Sep 10 16:43:32 :-D \o/ Sep 10 16:43:35 thanks Sep 10 16:44:24 -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 90040 Apr 17 2009 /usr/bin/sudo Sep 10 16:44:30 uh huh, can you change the user agent of the opera browser? Sep 10 16:44:34 meawhile: http://paste.debian.net/129227/ Sep 10 16:44:38 mobile youtube not giving me all videos.. Sep 10 16:44:38 I.e. your sudo is the one that's different Sep 10 16:44:53 dang Sep 10 16:46:03 Hm... wtf. It says it can't find my sim card... Sep 10 16:46:07 could these differences be firmware related? Sep 10 16:46:34 ErwinJunge: would you mind following the steps as of http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools >># fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot Sep 10 16:46:42 what's way to force re-install of sudo? i have backed everything up now Sep 10 16:46:56 and see if it asks for a root password for you, on sudo gainroot Sep 10 16:47:15 Sicelo: There's nothing wrong with your sudo. It's exactly the same size and date as the freshly flashed edition. Sep 10 16:47:35 how do I get flash for the opera mini D: Sep 10 16:48:01 I'm starting to think I might have damaged something a while ago when I accidentaly dropped the phone... Could that cause the missing sim? Sep 10 16:48:14 yes, indeed Sep 10 16:48:34 Crap Sep 10 16:49:34 Fixable? Sep 10 16:49:55 DocScrutinizer: the instructions on your page worked fine for me initially. i got the password request on sudo gainroot. it changed afterwards Sep 10 16:50:03 depends, usually not. Though there's a lot of reasons why it can tell "SIM not found" Sep 10 16:50:49 Sicelo: when did you download your firmware image? Sep 10 16:51:32 could it be Nokia sneaking in with a modified version of sudo binary some point in time in the past? Sep 10 16:52:03 obviously it's not the first time they silently change the firmware image Sep 10 16:52:27 DocScrutinizer: Mine is dated 2010-11-04 Sep 10 16:52:38 DocScrutinizer: i like the rsync script on your webpage. You sync your fs with computer everyday? Sep 10 16:52:51 yep Sep 10 16:52:58 * Sicelo wonders if apt-get install sudo won't make matter worse :/man-db-pages: /opt/man/man8/sudoedit.8.gz Sep 10 16:53:00 I hope it does ;-) Sep 10 16:53:01 I didn't redownload today since the version number didn't change (I checked the nokia website) Sep 10 16:53:41 DocScrutinizer: backup if the device is stolen? Sep 10 16:53:42 downloaded July 4, same day i bought my n900 :P Sep 10 16:53:56 trumee: more like if it breaks Sep 10 16:53:58 sorry for the spam just now :-s Sep 10 16:54:44 heh Sep 10 16:54:54 TI MetaWatch might be shipping already Sep 10 16:55:03 DocScrutinizer: I was assuming the missing sim had been a software issue. It's one of the reasons I decided to reflash. Sep 10 16:55:35 DocScrutinizer: cool. Did you ever try opensync with contacts? Sep 10 16:56:06 DocScrutinizer: with Kontact/kaddressbook. Sep 10 16:56:19 javispedro: I'm lost - we see two filesizes for Sudo version 1.6.8p12, and we see two different behaviours regarding asking for password, and both are not related Sep 10 16:56:33 trumee: I gave up on that :-/ Sep 10 16:56:48 DocScrutinizer: well, the answer here is "reflash the nonworking one" Sep 10 16:57:05 DocScrutinizer: ah, good to know you did try. Opensync refused to talk to N900? Sep 10 16:57:33 which is what ErwinJunge just did, and seems the filesize didn't change and still is not the filesize of my sudo which still works as supposed Sep 10 16:58:00 what's the failure? Sep 10 16:58:06 trumee: it was such a mess I have even forgotton about details Sep 10 16:59:11 DocScrutinizer: my bug report was set as invalid :(, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10023 Sep 10 16:59:13 04Bug 10023: OpenSync/Syncml fails on N900 Sep 10 16:59:36 javispedro: [2011-09-10 16:02:28] if only i could figure out why i can't set password to be required for root again Sep 10 17:00:19 Opensync guys have been stuck with code for a very long time Sep 10 17:00:38 I wouldn't play much with sudo config either way Sep 10 17:00:41 chances for a reboot loop are giant Sep 10 17:01:01 javispedro: we checked Sicelo's setup is identical to mine, as of http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Sep 10 17:01:24 [2011-09-10 18:44:24] DocScrutinizer: the instructions on your page worked fine for me initially. i got the password request on sudo gainroot. it changed afterwards Sep 10 17:02:01 only thing that seems to differ is filesize of sudo binary Sep 10 17:03:03 javispedro: this should tickle your spider senses and signal there's sth completely fishy, no? Sep 10 17:04:26 just been checking irc logs... http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-07-19.log.html#t2011-07-19T01:38:20 Sep 10 17:04:42 at that point in time, it worked as expected Sep 10 17:05:46 DocScrutinizer: You can update your page btw, 8192 confirmed to work as size for /home Sep 10 17:06:26 are there any EPG / TV guides available for N900? Sep 10 17:06:29 Related to that, you still need to remove the possibly faulty 28G claim Sep 10 17:12:32 ErwinJunge: done. thanks Sep 10 17:37:24 *sigh* - could somebody else than Sicelo check if http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tool §# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot will work for them, please? And then report here, together with a copy of ls -l `which sudo` output Sep 10 17:38:57 if you're reluctant than even a report of >> ls -l `which sudo` << showing a different filesize than 90040 would be fine Sep 10 17:39:19 DocScrutinizer: Sorry still working on it. Wanted to clean up my phone first. Sep 10 17:39:43 Got openssh installed now, so will go and try it Sep 10 17:39:49 ErwinJunge: thanks, mate :-) Sep 10 17:40:25 nevertheless some more contributions highly appreciated, so we could finnaly see a pattern Sep 10 17:41:56 I could imagine sth like SSU keeping "old" sudo binary when updating to 1.3 while flashing the 1.3 image installs that 90040-file Sep 10 17:42:31 anyone have Interest in say, port of ontv or like? :) Sep 10 17:43:00 ooh he's back Sep 10 17:43:03 :-) Sep 10 17:43:12 xmltv: What? Sep 10 17:43:29 [2011-09-10 19:00:55] are there any EPG / TV guides available for N900? Sep 10 17:44:06 javispedro: Sep 10 17:44:09 I could imagine sth like SSU keeping "old" sudo binary when updating to 1.3 while flashing the 1.3 image installs that 90040-file Sep 10 17:44:41 that's why I suggested flashing =) Sep 10 17:44:56 to break my working sudo? ;-P Sep 10 17:44:58 or fs is broken, or .. Sep 10 17:45:12 I'm still not sure what's broken or working Sep 10 17:45:33 password was asked for Sep 10 17:45:39 my sudo works as expected, asks for password on "root" and "sudo gainroot" Sep 10 17:45:44 And root given after correct pass Sep 10 17:45:48 im just thinking, each time my pc aint alive, i miss having my notifications for series coming up Sep 10 17:46:11 nobody have a magazine with tv airing-listings lying by the remote no more hehe Sep 10 17:46:17 and you want to remove asking for the password, or you want to make it ask for a password? Sep 10 17:46:42 of course we want to make it ask for password XD Sep 10 17:46:45 honestly, on the phone? Sep 10 17:46:58 shouldnt have a sudoers environment.. Sep 10 17:47:02 DocScrutinizer: In summary, it works on reflash. Filesize still 90040 Sep 10 17:47:05 DocScrutinizer: not that obvious, imho it's stupid thing to do Sep 10 17:47:15 either way check for NOPASSWD in sudoers as that's the default Sep 10 17:47:24 ErwinJunge: works for you, filesize 90040 ?? Sep 10 17:47:37 xmltv: Furthermore, few people watch TV any more Sep 10 17:47:47 rst38h hehe Sep 10 17:47:52 Which reminds me... Sep 10 17:47:56 xmltv: not interest here, I d/l everything Sep 10 17:48:07 it worked for me with that filesize too. i just don't understand what could have changed it Sep 10 17:48:10 DocScrutinizer: Yup. It asks for pass, filesize 90040 Sep 10 17:48:17 well, xmltv usage is also meant for say, digital channels Sep 10 17:48:18 The plot thickens Sep 10 17:48:41 I had sudo that didn't ask for pw some time ago Sep 10 17:48:45 (before a reflash) Sep 10 17:48:53 then WTF is wrong with that filesize? And - completely unrelated - WTF is wrong with Sicelo 's setup/system? Sep 10 17:48:56 evil Sep 10 17:49:03 but iirc then it wasn't like that on the original flash came with something Sep 10 17:49:24 DocScrutinizer: Specifically, wtf is wrong with YOUR filesize Sep 10 17:49:27 mhm, no, the elves have not digitized the latest DrWho yet. Sep 10 17:49:34 Since I'm convinced that 90040 is the correct one Sep 10 17:49:39 ErwinJunge: or that, yes :-D Sep 10 17:50:06 but size has nothing to do with this particular behaviour, that's obvious Sep 10 17:50:10 90040 is the size of the file immediately after reflash Sep 10 17:50:26 First thing I did was ls -l `which sudo` Sep 10 17:50:32 echo "user ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" >> /etc/sudoers Sep 10 17:50:39 anyway I got that 91584 on TWO devices, one of them never got updated since 1.2 days Sep 10 17:50:52 xmltv: BZZZZZ wrong Sep 10 17:51:06 thats default way Sep 10 17:51:16 that's not maemo way though Sep 10 17:51:19 * Sicelo now wonders if he doesn't have extra space or something in his /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo Sep 10 17:51:30 lol Sep 10 17:51:41 xmltv: default way to fsckup your system on maemo Sep 10 17:51:46 Maybe it's a difference in image? I use the global edition. Sep 10 17:52:29 same here Sep 10 17:52:32 i wouldnt mess with it anyways, having a sudo env on a portable hackable aint safe :p Sep 10 17:53:10 whatabout sudo gainroot, and all the "win" it brings? :D Sep 10 17:53:16 IroN900:~# sysinfo-tool -g /device/sw-release-ver Sep 10 17:53:18 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 Sep 10 17:53:34 8GB of app space feels so enormously liberating. Why didn't Nokia do that as the default? Sep 10 17:53:46 That's the same version Sep 10 17:53:58 So that's not the cause either Sep 10 17:54:04 xmltv: merlin1991: sorry you both lost me Sep 10 17:54:26 ErwinJunge: SSU vs. flashing img Sep 10 17:54:49 I guess my sudo binaries are both pre-1.3 Sep 10 17:55:03 DocScrutinizer: "having a sudo env on a portable hackable aint safe", I was saying that rootsh basically brings the same mayhem Sep 10 17:55:24 but still is considered the good solution to start hacking Sep 10 17:56:14 merlin1991: yes, we are all aware that un+-installing rootsh will kill the "security" introduced by my # fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot "hack" Sep 10 17:56:28 hang on doc, let me open my tablet and give u details on how i did it Sep 10 17:56:46 xmltv: honestly, not needed. But thanks Sep 10 17:57:04 argh, i was hacked and someone called 'shutdown -h now' on my root prompt... Sep 10 17:57:20 ah.. no, just needs the electrical outlet charger :p Sep 10 17:57:31 either way, my personal config is to leave all sudoers as defaults, do not isntall rootsh (so gainroot is a nop), and install an extra file that allows sudo -s to work (without password, my personal preference) Sep 10 17:58:14 well, that's basically what rootsh does as well Sep 10 17:58:45 seemingly badly Sep 10 17:58:59 why? Sep 10 17:59:09 because it's not working =) Sep 10 17:59:14 EH?? Sep 10 17:59:15 and I doubt it's an issue with the sudo binary itself Sep 10 17:59:23 rootsh works Sep 10 17:59:27 ever did Sep 10 17:59:49 * javispedro 's still not sure what kind of problem you have then.. Sep 10 17:59:54 obviously I completely missed to state my point (once again) Sep 10 18:00:03 either way, have to go again, sorry. Sep 10 18:00:35 a workaround; add to .bashrc: alias soho="ssh root@localhost", create id_rsa.pub (ssh-keygen) as user, do "cat id_rsa.pub > /root/.ssh/authorized_keys2" Sep 10 18:00:37 javispedro: Sicelo tried to follow what I adviced in # fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools, and it didn't work for him Sep 10 18:00:45 dang Sep 10 18:01:36 Sicelo: your idea about hidden chars in 01sudo is a good thinking Sep 10 18:01:59 xmltv: WHAT? Sep 10 18:02:22 when i try to deploy an app that uses QtMultimediaKit 1.2 i get the error module “QtMultimediaKit” is not installed import QtMultimediaKit 1.2 ^ Sep 10 18:02:33 I have already installed the package libqtm-12 on the device using apt-get Sep 10 18:02:43 thats how i gain root, running ssh server and connecting myself to localhost as root user Sep 10 18:02:46 maemo5 freemantle pr1.3 Sep 10 18:02:58 so what's wrong with rootsh? Sep 10 18:02:58 someone please help Sep 10 18:03:23 code is here http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/9586/ Sep 10 18:03:40 by the way, how do i get vi or nano to show if there are spaces or other characters? Sep 10 18:03:45 seems yu all lost the thread some hours ago, except Sicelo, ErwinJunge and me Sep 10 18:04:19 Sicelo: err, not at all? Sep 10 18:04:34 you can spot them by moving the cursor Sep 10 18:05:10 strangr the deployed app is .py? Sep 10 18:05:24 nope Sep 10 18:05:37 Sicelo: uninstall rootsh, reinstall rootsh, do again: Sep 10 18:05:39 sed -e "s/Defaults env_reset/Defaults env_reset\nDefaults targetpw/;\ Sep 10 18:05:41 s+user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+user ALL =\ Sep 10 18:05:42 PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+" \ Sep 10 18:05:44 -i /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo Sep 10 18:05:45 update-sudoers Sep 10 18:05:53 xmltv no Sep 10 18:05:59 'import QTMuti..' comes from what exactly then? Sep 10 18:06:08 QML Sep 10 18:06:15 libqtm-12 Sep 10 18:06:43 QtQuick Sep 10 18:08:01 Sicelo: maybe you *missed* a space, e.g on ALL = PASSWD: Sep 10 18:08:29 xmltv its QML Sep 10 18:08:38 could easily result in "ALL =PASSWD:" the way I've broken up the lines Sep 10 18:10:09 * DocScrutinizer ponders deploying proper script files for download, rather than these froggin wiki 
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Sep 10 18:10:17 strangr aye, dont know much about that tbh... however 'import' is looking for library along a path LD_LIBRARY_PATH (and perhaps something similar toQML_LIB_PATH) Sep 10 18:11:18 strangr since your installed library most likely is an extras-devel, your tablet may not know where it is located (prefix could be /usr/local?) Sep 10 18:11:19 see in main.cpp I have the line viewer.setMainQmlFile(QLatin1String("qml/xyz/main.qml")); Sep 10 18:11:36 sorry Sep 10 18:11:48 viewer.engine()->addImportPath(QString("/home/opt/qtm12/imports")); Sep 10 18:11:48 run the binary with QML_IMPORT_TRACE=1 and you can see where it searches for the imports, make sure libqtm-12 installs files in the correct dirs Sep 10 18:12:28 viewer.engine()->addImportPath(QString("/home/opt/qtm12/imports")); Sep 10 18:12:32 DocScrutinizer: Considering these things are mostly "best practice" anyways, how about integrating with CSSU? Sep 10 18:12:52 err, well... Sep 10 18:13:01 wont that add the directory into wherever it searches imports Sep 10 18:13:13 ? Sep 10 18:13:13 http://pastebin.com/h97r1JsX Sep 10 18:13:18 i would assume so, but double check with import trace... Sep 10 18:13:24 seems nobody would like to get default PASSWD: in sudo gainroot with CSSU Sep 10 18:13:36 I do :) Sep 10 18:13:48 fine will do that Sep 10 18:13:53 And it *is* best practice Sep 10 18:14:27 hmm, javispedro was all of a different notion Sep 10 18:15:12 strangr win-win for you is to locate the library path yourself, then call binary with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH Sep 10 18:15:19 and indeed a password that's broken that easily is of questionable benefit except to stop sysadmin friend who 'borrow' your phone while you're peeing Sep 10 18:16:17 Scripts that users download that kill the system by simply calling "root" and then do evil? Sep 10 18:16:24 thanks Sep 10 18:16:27 you'd at very least add password protection for HAM as well Sep 10 18:17:02 I'm assuming QA would get evil stuff out of the repos Sep 10 18:17:11 ErwinJunge: you can do same by downloading a package with a rogue postinstall script Sep 10 18:17:28 (QA) BWAHAHAHA Sep 10 18:17:33 That's not caught by the auto QA? Sep 10 18:17:42 Then what's the point of the QA procedure at all? :) Sep 10 18:17:51 Dinner now, afk Sep 10 18:17:58 afk here as well Sep 10 18:18:06 good luck Sicelo Sep 10 18:19:09 thanks for your efforts :) Sep 10 18:46:25 * DocScrutinizer notices exposing qualities of a bull terrier, this 90040 vs 91584 issue eats my tranquility Sep 10 18:46:57 IOW it drives me mad Sep 10 18:47:19 I see me flashing PR1.2 in a few hours :-S Sep 10 18:48:17 anybody around who updated to PR1.3 via SSU and definitely never flashed since then? Sep 10 18:48:42 I'm still on 1.2. Sep 10 18:48:50 if there's anybody, please paste result of >> ls -l `which sudo` << Sep 10 18:48:57 derf: \o/ Sep 10 18:49:02 my hero :-) Sep 10 18:49:55 Moo, derf Sep 10 18:50:20 The conservative lobby of #maemo Sep 10 18:50:36 91584 Apr 17 2009 Sep 10 18:50:46 \o/ Sep 10 18:50:51 derf, CSSU. Sep 10 18:51:05 I was RIGHT, RIGHT right right righ... Sep 10 18:51:12 (1.3 upgraded from 1.2 over wifi) Sep 10 18:51:23 -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 91584 Apr 17 2009 /usr/bin/sudo Sep 10 18:51:45 :-))))) Sep 10 18:51:53 so another miracle solved Sep 10 18:52:04 what was the issue? Sep 10 18:52:22 users that flashed 1.3 have filesize 90040 Sep 10 18:52:26 oh Sep 10 18:53:26 And why is it a problem? Sep 10 18:53:35 because Sep 10 18:53:58 BTW, Ovi Store appears to only allow one mobile phone Sep 10 19:12:34 got rid of that error Sep 10 19:13:04 strangr awesome :) Sep 10 19:13:29 had to move the set import statement above the statement that loads the qml Sep 10 19:13:54 but now i m gettin something worse Sep 10 19:14:04 CameraBin error: "Internal GStreamer error: negotiation problem. Sep 10 19:14:14 Camera error: "Internal GStreamer error: negotiation problem. Sep 10 19:14:21 Camera state changed: QCamera::UnloadedState Sep 10 19:14:23 ??? Sep 10 19:15:29 any ideas? Sep 10 19:16:49 afraid im clueless when it comes to gstreamer.. seems like youre missing gstreamer plugin for camera allthought i find that hard to believe Sep 10 19:17:57 CSSU? Sep 10 19:19:34 apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-camera => allready newest version right? Sep 10 19:20:50 need to check that Sep 10 19:20:58 DocScrutinizer: Congrats on solving one of the great mysteries of our time :) Sep 10 19:21:03 Sicelo: CSSU what? Sep 10 19:21:16 heh :-D Sep 10 19:22:05 Now to figure out what the difference is and why it's not updated with the SSU ;) Sep 10 19:24:18 Anyways, I'm off. Byebye all Sep 10 19:28:38 xmltv thanks neway Sep 10 19:28:41 :) Sep 10 19:29:35 xmltv i'll check gstreamer plugins.. i must be having the latest versions to my knowledge Sep 10 19:33:45 DocScrutninzer: doing charge.sh ... Sep 10 19:34:41 running* Sep 10 19:36:07 i only don't find i2cset Sep 10 19:36:31 can't * Sep 10 19:39:49 i2cset is in i2c-tools iirc Sep 10 19:40:37 E: Couldn't find package 12c-tools Sep 10 19:40:45 s/12c/i2c/ Sep 10 19:40:46 angelox|laptop meant: E: Couldn't find package i2c-tools Sep 10 19:41:14 i need compile them i think Sep 10 19:43:24 nah they are in the devel repos for sure Sep 10 19:43:27 hen depends on them Sep 10 19:44:08 here we go: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/i2c-tools/3.0.2-1maemo3/ Sep 10 19:46:04 thanks Sep 10 19:46:49 angelox|laptop: you can install them from extras-devel Sep 10 19:46:57 ooh Sep 10 19:47:09 merlin1991 said that it seems Sep 10 19:48:11 angelox|laptop: btw bq.tgz of ShadowJK comes with i2c* as well Sep 10 19:48:49 alas I guess each method installes them elsewhere, so you might have to edit some paths Sep 10 19:49:18 ok Sep 10 19:49:25 i'm running charger Sep 10 19:49:28 charger.sh Sep 10 19:49:33 what would you like to know? Sep 10 19:49:43 anyway i2ctools are in bq.tgz same location you found charge.sh.txt Sep 10 19:49:55 Status: 0x90 Sep 10 19:49:55 does it chage? ;-D Sep 10 19:50:02 looks rather good Sep 10 19:50:18 but Battery level stills in 0% Sep 10 19:50:43 paste full output of one minute charger.sh, as well as bq27200.sh Sep 10 19:51:13 meh, it won't jump to 100% in 30s ;-D Sep 10 19:51:25 it's the current that counts Sep 10 19:51:35 :) Sep 10 19:51:37 ok Sep 10 19:51:39 let me restart Sep 10 19:51:50 does it flow into or out of battery Sep 10 19:52:12 open one shell running bq27200.sh 5 Sep 10 19:52:25 open another after that, and run charger there Sep 10 19:52:42 yes,but i need add > /path/for/some/file/ Sep 10 19:52:45 :) Sep 10 19:52:58 or install openssh Sep 10 19:54:02 btw first you need to `stop bme` Sep 10 19:54:11 oh Sep 10 19:54:20 didn't know Sep 10 19:54:24 charger.sh conflicts with bme Sep 10 19:54:53 I just checked if charger.sh takes care about it - it doesn't Sep 10 19:55:21 so issue `stop bme` before starting with connecting charger Sep 10 19:55:32 then start bq27200.sh Sep 10 19:55:38 then start charger.sh Sep 10 19:55:49 ok Sep 10 19:55:50 then post the outputs of both Sep 10 19:55:56 one minute sir :) Sep 10 19:57:41 actually you could start bq27200.sh even before stopping bme Sep 10 19:57:51 doesn't hurt and gives more info Sep 10 19:58:13 just in case you hadn't started the whole procedure yet Sep 10 19:59:29 then 0x90 looks good? Sep 10 19:59:37 so the sequence is: start bq27200, stop bme, connect charger, start charge.sh Sep 10 19:59:44 hello Sep 10 20:00:07 can somebody help me with osso-abook and telepathy libraries? Sep 10 20:00:23 if [ $STATUS == 0x10 ] || [ $STATUS == 0x90 ] ; then MODE="CHARGING" Sep 10 20:00:54 echo $(date) "standby -> CHARGING. Current available capacity: " $NAC "mAh" >> /home/user/MyDocs/charger.log Sep 10 20:01:16 http://pastebin.com/zT3tg6Yu Sep 10 20:01:33 http://pastebin.com/3L247Rad Sep 10 20:02:05 then start bme? Sep 10 20:02:19 there's a solid orange light now Sep 10 20:03:41 this all looks very very strange Sep 10 20:03:52 i know :( Sep 10 20:04:19 should i strike my phone at the wall? :) Sep 10 20:04:22 I'd prefer to see what's actually going on input/cmd side as well Sep 10 20:05:20 that's what i did: http://pastebin.com/aXVDL4UW Sep 10 20:05:54 and this with some accidents http://pastebin.com/jZnRjLN8 Sep 10 20:06:26 should i start bme again? i don't know anything about it Sep 10 20:07:44 please reboot the phone, then run bq27200.sh for some minutes and paste Sep 10 20:07:52 without charger connected Sep 10 20:07:59 with the charger? Sep 10 20:07:59 ah o Sep 10 20:08:01 ok* Sep 10 20:08:18 to be precise run bq27200 and after some defined time connect charger Sep 10 20:08:28 ok Sep 10 20:08:50 make a mark in the bq27200 output on when charger got connected Sep 10 20:09:01 of course Sep 10 20:09:03 run both situations for at least one minute Sep 10 20:09:10 with screen dim Sep 10 20:09:13 via ssh Sep 10 20:09:19 screen dim? Sep 10 20:09:23 locked Sep 10 20:09:27 dark Sep 10 20:09:29 ah ok Sep 10 20:09:31 sorry Sep 10 20:09:41 np Sep 10 20:10:16 this one line mentioning >450mA draft from battery scares me Sep 10 20:10:37 the battery currently is weak Sep 10 20:10:54 well, yeah it's ~3.700V Sep 10 20:11:00 just ./bq27200.sh ? or ./bq27200.sh 5 ? Sep 10 20:11:04 5 Sep 10 20:11:06 ok Sep 10 20:13:53 http://pastebin.com/x0yA0Byj Sep 10 20:15:07 angelox|laptop: powerkernel? Sep 10 20:15:14 Nope Sep 10 20:15:25 i just can't understand why negative values Sep 10 20:15:31 lsmod|grep bq Sep 10 20:15:58 angelox|laptop: negative values are discharge current Sep 10 20:16:18 it discharges faster after charger connected :-P Sep 10 20:16:41 hmm Sep 10 20:16:50 lsmod|grep bq doesn't returns anything Sep 10 20:17:05 now keep bq27200.sh 5 running Sep 10 20:17:12 stop bme Sep 10 20:17:21 start charge.sh Sep 10 20:17:44 paste the output of bq again, mark where you've done what Sep 10 20:18:21 wops Sep 10 20:18:35 now i'm not sure when i have done the things :( Sep 10 20:18:41 i did everything on the run Sep 10 20:18:44 np Sep 10 20:18:55 I'll be able to tell from the logs (I hope) Sep 10 20:19:45 i'd like to meter if the battery pins are receiving current,but i don't know how leave the phone powered on without battery Sep 10 20:19:48 btw keep all running Sep 10 20:20:01 you can't Sep 10 20:21:27 some time: http://pastebin.com/t2J18pV2 | http://pastebin.com/ugASAmX0 | http://pastebin.com/6yMB1wWW | Sep 10 20:21:36 i don't know if the last one is important Sep 10 20:21:42 wow that old charge.sh Sep 10 20:23:41 angelox|laptop: you're sure your charger is OK? looks like it'd provide just some 4.x Volt Sep 10 20:24:38 how can i check it? :( Sep 10 20:24:43 another phone it chargers i think Sep 10 20:24:43 0x90 is kinda strange, typically you'd see 0x10 if wallcharger=1 Sep 10 20:24:59 your phone detects there's a charger connected, it also detects it delivers voltage to vbus and has D+- short Sep 10 20:25:07 but it doesn't charge Sep 10 20:25:39 yeah. sth id odd Sep 10 20:26:06 i did check in the shop,new battery really costs expansive,just imagine a new charger :( Sep 10 20:26:50 were those ./bq27200.sh readings taken with screen on or off? Stock kernel or kernel-power? Sep 10 20:27:09 stock|off Sep 10 20:27:13 no PK, screen off Sep 10 20:27:32 * angelox|laptop is going to shot his N900 to wall Sep 10 20:27:50 better ask Nokia for a repair on warranty Sep 10 20:27:53 the current draw is consistent with screen off, usb on, charger off. Which is damn strange, since charger thinks it's charging Sep 10 20:28:11 ShadowJK: exactly Sep 10 20:28:30 might happen when wallwart-charger voltage is way too low Sep 10 20:28:42 DocScrutinizer: i've already sent my phone 2 times Sep 10 20:28:59 though I'd think bq24150 should detect volt-low or supply-bad or sth thn Sep 10 20:29:09 DocScrutinizer: unfortunately they don't do ANYTHING. The phone fakely charges,so they thinks it's ok Sep 10 20:29:20 idiots Sep 10 20:29:24 yes Sep 10 20:29:32 first time: we've updated your software Sep 10 20:29:41 second time: enjoy your E7 Sep 10 20:29:42 lol Sep 10 20:29:45 tell them you want it back with battery CHARGED by the phone Sep 10 20:29:53 secound time: we have changed your battery Sep 10 20:30:30 anyway, first check your wallcharger Sep 10 20:30:36 use another charger Sep 10 20:30:41 What's the current on what happens if you submit your n900 for repair, and request a n900 as a replacemet? Sep 10 20:31:32 SpeedEvil: i don't know how to ask that, they see the CHARGING BAR moving,they say "It's working" Sep 10 20:31:40 frustrating :( Sep 10 20:31:47 angelox|laptop: try same procedure as before, but this time with your PC as power source Sep 10 20:32:33 angelox|laptop: tell them you only take it back when they CHARGED your empty battery to 100% *with the phone* Sep 10 20:32:34 also, the usb phy has a signal line to bq24150, which goes active after charger detection and charger=1, and makes the status 0x10 instead of 0x90 Sep 10 20:33:08 will take them 4h to sit the phone on some desk until they notice it switched down with empty battery despite "charging" Sep 10 20:33:24 So this would indicate a break, and since bq24150 thinks it's charging, the current has to go somewhere Sep 10 20:34:08 Though I'd also try reetart charge21.sh Sep 10 20:34:33 err, this won't change any of the problems Sep 10 20:34:55 nope, but version 21 has soft-start ;-) Sep 10 20:35:07 only complicates things Sep 10 20:35:52 DocScrutinizer: another problem: the warranty is at 20km~ (IIRC) from my home Sep 10 20:35:53 I'd really think the wallwart is maybe bonkers Sep 10 20:36:00 mm Sep 10 20:36:03 cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus Sep 10 20:36:13 or have you gone through that Sep 10 20:36:19 not yet Sep 10 20:36:24 * angelox|laptop is booting his n900 to test again from PC charging Sep 10 20:36:48 * DocScrutinizer hands over the mic to ShadowJK Sep 10 20:36:53 nah Sep 10 20:36:59 o/ Sep 10 20:37:07 I'm watching a western on tv Sep 10 20:37:10 Jane Fonda Sep 10 20:37:58 DocScrutinizer: what should i do with it connected to PC? just the bq27200? Sep 10 20:38:46 that's a good start Sep 10 20:38:55 bme stoppedd ? Sep 10 20:38:57 stopped* Sep 10 20:39:03 * ShadowJK always has bq27200 running in an xterm Sep 10 20:40:06 bq27200 can be run with bme both started and stopped. I'd try with bme started first Sep 10 20:40:30 ok Sep 10 20:40:40 but it stills discharging Sep 10 20:40:42 10:55 3660 0 0 -185 0 0 0 65535 0 33 0 Sep 10 20:40:42 then stop it and start charger.sh Sep 10 20:41:56 Out of curiosity, does usb mass storage work? Sep 10 20:41:57 That's not a sw problem Sep 10 20:42:04 ShadowJK: yes Sep 10 20:42:25 even PR1.2 didn't work Sep 10 20:43:23 0.o how have u been surviving all this time? Sep 10 20:43:28 http://pastebin.com/Ye1piGuh | http://pastebin.com/3TwY47dM Sep 10 20:43:38 This is very strange, because if it was simple broken between charger chip and battery, charge chip would give an error.. Sep 10 20:44:39 I suspect some component of bq24150 broken Sep 10 20:44:45 yes,the current from charging is comming,and going to some(magic)where,and it is not the battery Sep 10 20:44:56 s/charging/charger/ Sep 10 20:44:56 angelox|laptop meant: yes,the current from charger is comming,and going to some(magic)where,and it is not the battery Sep 10 20:45:09 there's no current coming from charging Sep 10 20:45:31 and it's obviously not going anywhere Sep 10 20:45:52 did you see my last pastebins ? Sep 10 20:46:01 kind of strange Sep 10 20:46:23 you could test if booston can provide 5V to USB connector, but you'd need a h-e-n F-F-USB-adapter to actually find out, I guess Sep 10 20:48:18 well, your battery is shortly going to shutdown the system on low voltage Sep 10 20:48:33 err, your system is shutting down on low battery voltage Sep 10 20:48:38 yes Sep 10 20:48:50 then,actually what can i do about my phone? Sep 10 20:48:59 it evidently doesn't charge no matter what you do Sep 10 20:49:08 send in for repair Sep 10 20:49:10 * angelox|laptop 'll send his phone to USA,or any other country,they(warranty shop) shouldn't be so stupid like in Brazil Sep 10 20:49:11 is there any utility to chkdsk N900 FAT partition? Sep 10 20:49:42 ~bm Sep 10 20:49:42 from memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Sep 10 20:51:06 DocScrutinizer, for some *really magic* way,it charged a bit when i was trying meego Sep 10 20:51:22 ShadowJK: ponder this: L1140 defect Sep 10 20:51:33 but i'm not sure if it charged while dd'ing for the eMMC or when it was booted up Sep 10 20:51:34 hm Sep 10 20:52:02 or C1141 Sep 10 20:52:30 but if current through its sense resistor drops below 50 it'd terminate as ... oh it wouldn't if voltage was too low on output Sep 10 20:53:13 booston is the tool to check Sep 10 20:53:41 what is booston? Sep 10 20:53:59 ~booston Sep 10 20:54:05 :( Sep 10 20:55:28 /usr/sbin/booston , at least if u have h-e-n Sep 10 20:55:43 Was *so* tempted to say "it's a ciity in Maassachusetts". Sep 10 20:55:56 lol Sep 10 20:56:16 i haven't no more h-e-n since my device has been flashed 10~ times Sep 10 20:57:23 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1023402&postcount=821 Sep 10 20:57:58 angelox|laptop: use that script Sep 10 20:58:24 lol 4) errortext2="Battery OVP - WTF are you doing?";; Sep 10 20:58:37 watch out, the attachment is not the script ;-) Sep 10 20:58:46 i see Sep 10 20:58:57 but i'm not sure if i have enough power for the test Sep 10 21:01:01 --> 03) "battery too low, VBUS shut off" Sep 10 21:01:14 should i use it with(out) the charger? Sep 10 21:01:22 without! Sep 10 21:01:28 ok Sep 10 21:01:44 it's meant to power the USB internally ;-) Sep 10 21:01:53 wow Sep 10 21:02:02 you need to shut down BME for it to work Sep 10 21:02:38 ooh actually it takes care Sep 10 21:03:08 booston.sh: line 25: dbus-send=/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/dbus-send: not found Sep 10 21:03:41 errr Sep 10 21:03:41 that's sh booston.sh Sep 10 21:03:53 just ./booston.sh does: -sh: ./booston.sh: Permission denied Sep 10 21:04:13 chmod a+x ./booston.sh Sep 10 21:04:27 same Sep 10 21:04:33 booston.sh: line 25: dbus-send=/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/dbus-send: not found Sep 10 21:04:55 umm Sep 10 21:05:16 sorry,bad GDM Sep 10 21:05:27 did i miss something after my last message? Sep 10 21:05:58 no Sep 10 21:06:12 just wondering if your booston.sh looks like it should Sep 10 21:07:33 i'll pastebin and download the raw patch Sep 10 21:07:39 raw file* Sep 10 21:09:54 can you upload it somewhere? stills don't working Sep 10 21:09:59 and if i install h-e-n? Sep 10 21:12:24 get http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/booston Sep 10 21:13:50 ./booston: line 25: dbus-send=/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/dbus-send: not found Sep 10 21:13:51 again Sep 10 21:16:42 how can I make blessn900 open instead of the default one when camera lense is opened? Sep 10 21:16:52 sorry I dunno what this error suggests Sep 10 21:17:05 i get that error too :/ Sep 10 21:17:07 it's obviously missing the " of the original Sep 10 21:17:17 btw,about the warranty shop i went,there were about 3 tickets in a reclain website about the same SHOP,same PROBLEM,same PHONE :( Sep 10 21:17:40 t900:~# which run-standalone.sh Sep 10 21:17:41 /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh Sep 10 21:18:06 t900:~# which dbus-send Sep 10 21:18:08 /usr/bin/dbus-send Sep 10 21:18:32 Nokia-N900:~# which run-standalone.sh Sep 10 21:18:32 /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh Sep 10 21:18:32 Nokia-N900:~# which dbus-send Sep 10 21:18:32 /usr/bin/dbus-send Sep 10 21:18:32 Nokia-N900:~# Sep 10 21:18:36 btw I uploaded a bugfixed version Sep 10 21:18:51 it misssed a line for i2cget :-o Sep 10 21:21:45 dang Sep 10 21:22:03 there's sth odd with my shell scripting foo Sep 10 21:23:17 i'll turn my device off Sep 10 21:24:07 There's any *stable* release of MeeGo for N900? I think maybe it charge,since strangely it charged my device Sep 10 21:24:48 bah.. cant change the font of desktop command execution widget Sep 10 21:24:54 I uploaded another fixed version Sep 10 21:25:07 embarrassing Sep 10 21:25:30 * DocScrutinizer wonders how this ever could've worked on his t900 Sep 10 21:26:21 what's the difference between BMe and BME alternative Sep 10 21:26:25 looking at pybattery settings Sep 10 21:27:07 ?? Sep 10 21:27:24 what is pybattery? Sep 10 21:27:39 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24905 Sep 10 21:27:45 meh Sep 10 21:27:52 o/ cya all Sep 10 21:28:04 but I had another question :( Sep 10 21:28:09 how do I make blessn900 the default app Sep 10 21:28:22 oh hello Sep 10 21:28:28 googling is actually working Sep 10 21:34:44 umm Sep 10 21:34:53 i installed camera lens launcher and set the preferred application to blessn900 Sep 10 21:34:59 guess what happens when i open the cover Sep 10 21:35:00 nothing Sep 11 00:10:19 I am in the search for a good case for my N900 with a belt clip, but the ones I found on ebay say "Magnet may place your device into sleep mode, but will not harm your device". any idea what does this mean? Sep 11 00:12:04 related? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36194 Sep 11 00:19:06 thanks angelox|laptop Sep 11 00:19:06 sure thing, smhar Sep 11 00:21:35 lol Sep 11 00:45:19 seems a magnet case is a no option for me :-( Sep 11 00:49:38 infobot: useless Sep 11 00:49:38 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( Sep 11 00:50:17 The PDair aluminum case doesn't use magnets, and works fairly well with the Noreve metal belt clip. Sep 11 00:50:22 Sep 11 00:50:28 looks like apple won huh? Sep 11 00:50:38 meh Sep 11 00:51:14 heh Sep 11 00:51:16 Though PDair themselves will sell your email address to spammers, so its up to you whether you want to support them. Sep 11 00:51:28 I'll sue them off the planet's surface for infringing my patents on using light for displaying info on a flat surface Sep 11 00:51:42 hahahaha Sep 11 00:52:14 and of course my (R) end (foo) on white cases Sep 11 00:52:20 what exactly did they sue them for? i thought it was also similarities with how the os looked Sep 11 00:52:53 i know a galaxy s sure did look like it was trying its hardest to look like an iphone Sep 11 00:52:56 meh, a device with flat surface and round corners Sep 11 00:53:15 so does that mean my transformer is next? Sep 11 00:53:20 :-) Sep 11 00:53:23 apple invented the round corners Sep 11 00:53:35 it has rounded corners Sep 11 00:54:14 smhar, I'm guessing it also depends on how strong the magnet is and if you have your N900 in a extra case like otterbox. I have bought a generic leather case with magnet and have my N900 inside otterbox, when I place my N900 into the generic leather case I place it with the screen facing towards my body. Sep 11 00:54:19 it is eu tho Sep 11 00:54:32 nobody can buy stuff there either Sep 11 00:54:46 other than in germany Sep 11 00:54:54 I hope this whole nonsense will severely damage their corporate image Sep 11 00:55:12 yeah. they are really overdoing it Sep 11 00:55:23 are they suing in the us as well? Sep 11 00:55:43 i know i heard japan was the next country Sep 11 00:56:27 smhar, of course my generic leather case has a belt clip on it Sep 11 01:06:37 The Noreve n900 cases also use mechanical fasteners. Sep 11 01:06:46 and support belt clips. Sep 11 01:07:25 jrayhawk, searching Sep 11 01:08:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iro26b9VTKQ Sep 11 01:09:30 belt clips are really lame Sep 11 01:09:35 :) Sep 11 01:14:26 Thusfar I've only found plastic button-release belt clips and metal orientation-release belt clips and I would really like to find a metal button-release belt clip. Sep 11 01:48:18 Any of you guys using MfE? Sep 11 01:51:48 I need the output of 'gconftool-2 -R /apps/activesync' (of course stripped for account info) Sep 11 01:57:00 good night people Sep 11 02:24:47 the problems listed for me with SSU update are: "packages missing: libwildmidi0 and modest-home-applet" <- where can I find these to manually dpkg? or what do I need to uninstall to bypass this? Sep 11 02:35:23 When I try to install CSSU (I had to reflash my N900) I get the message "To update your device to this version of the operating system you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC. Connect the device to your PC via a USB cable and launch the application." I have no PC (no windoze PC), is it no longer possible to install CSSU without a PC? Sep 11 02:36:21 Ken-Young: look in the "problems" tab when viewing the details Sep 11 02:36:50 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ Sep 11 02:37:35 my issue is that apt-get doesn't work on the two packages I need: libwildmidi0 and modest-home-applet Sep 11 02:38:07 Strengths Thanks! Sep 11 02:39:35 Strengths, Where is the "problems" tab - I see no such tab on the application manager, just a "Create backup" button. Sep 11 02:39:50 "Package modest-home-applet is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has be obsolete, or is onlyh available from another source" Sep 11 02:41:39 how can I find the other package that refers to that one? and will getting rid of the other package mean I can update the SSU? Sep 11 02:42:18 Ken-Young: click the "Details" button instead of the "Continue" button Sep 11 02:43:41 Thanks again. Sep 11 02:49:24 Strengths: Won't 'apt-get check' list the broken dependencies? Sep 11 02:53:07 n900-dk: that read the package lists, built the dependency tree and read the state information... Done Sep 11 02:53:13 no other info Sep 11 02:54:32 and you can't use 'apt-get install modest-home-applet'? Sep 11 02:54:47 that's what I tried and got the above message **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 11 02:59:56 2011