**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 11 02:59:56 2011 Sep 11 03:15:28 n900-dk: this is my hildon-application-manager.list http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1328578 Sep 11 03:39:10 modest-home-applet lives in Nokia Apps repo afaik Sep 11 03:39:20 check HAM, you may have that disabled Sep 11 03:41:32 MohammadAG: is that just the App Manager? That runs Sep 11 03:41:42 MohammadAG, WHen I launch CSSU features, I get the error message "Reding the configuration settings gave a FATAL ERROR while loading. Not all settings available. Exiting." Do you know how I can fix that problem? Sep 11 03:42:32 yes, ham = hildon app manager Sep 11 03:42:45 Ken-Young, no idea, we didn't develop that app Sep 11 03:42:55 yeah, I'm stumped how to proceed from here Sep 11 03:43:05 MohammadAG, OK, thanks. Sep 11 03:43:29 tap the title bar, tap catalogues, find Nokia Apps/SSU, tap it, check it's not disabled, save Sep 11 03:47:18 hmm.. taking an awful long time before displaying catalogs Sep 11 03:48:06 ok, Sytem Software updates was disabled, enabling now Sep 11 03:48:32 not sure why it was disabled Sep 11 03:48:50 perhaps I thought the Community SSU replaced the need for it? Sep 11 03:51:27 MohammadAG: That fixed it, Community SSU is downloading now :) Thanks! Sep 11 03:54:04 Once CSSU is installed, how does one enable the automatic transition between landscape and portrait modes driven by the accelerometers? Sep 11 04:10:01 hmm.. on restarting the phone, I get a notification: "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device". Rebooting just gives the same error :/ Any ideas MohammadAG? Sep 11 04:50:30 uh-oh, a google search reveals nothing short of a replacement will fix that :P (or rehot rapuyama and gazoo, whatever that is) Sep 11 09:23:22 those are the two main modemchips Sep 11 10:11:25 /join #tmo Sep 11 10:11:50 ... fail? Sep 11 10:20:03 #tmo ?? Sep 11 10:20:24 Hmm Sep 11 10:21:05 I tried to insert some dejavu font's in /usr/share/fonts, but they doesn't seem to be recongnized Sep 11 10:21:13 Am I doing something wrong? Sep 11 10:22:15 pooooooh #tmo, bah! Sep 11 10:23:27 was blindly checking rooms... Sep 11 10:23:36 ;-P Sep 11 10:23:37 silly space slash mistake Sep 11 10:23:50 FIQ|n900, you might want to have a look at how android fonts work or even nokia-pure fonts work Sep 11 10:24:04 more like there was a space in between :) Sep 11 10:24:40 between where? Sep 11 10:25:29 you had a space in between what you said and the forward slash to tell your IRC client that what you wrote was meant to be a command Sep 11 10:26:14 ah yep, that's what I meant before :) Sep 11 10:26:46 ~moo Sep 11 10:26:46 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Sep 11 10:27:40 ah Sep 11 10:27:50 ah? Sep 11 10:28:04 peaceful 9-11 to the world! Sep 11 10:30:44 ah as in to what jylan said heh Sep 11 10:31:11 Strengths: and yes, reflow-heating those two chips (Rapuyama and Gazoo) might fix a "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error." permanent failure Sep 11 10:32:01 ah, had to use fc-conf Sep 11 10:32:56 * DocScrutinizer wonders where and how to store that factoid Sep 11 10:34:57 er, fc-cache* Sep 11 10:35:11 maybe the "keywords: fonts, /usr/share/fonts, truetype, change font, fc-conf, available fonts, add font" will help google to point to this very chanlog location ;-D Sep 11 10:36:14 :P Sep 11 10:36:38 and, fc-cache, not fc-conf as said, typo Sep 11 10:37:15 and "linux" Sep 11 10:37:42 duh, and X11 Sep 11 10:38:01 i finally got my n900 broken Sep 11 10:38:17 :'( Sep 11 10:38:32 what happened? Sep 11 10:38:32 how come? Sep 11 10:39:05 no idea, at first i was facing problems with the battery Sep 11 10:39:23 like it wud be 70%, i'd play a lil game of sudoku and all of a sudden the battery's empty Sep 11 10:39:39 not that bad yet Sep 11 10:39:42 later on, i wud recharge the phone, when i unplug the charger, the phone wud still think it is still plugged in Sep 11 10:39:51 hmm Sep 11 10:40:11 yesterday, i was recharging it, suddenly it turned off, and wudnt turn back on Sep 11 10:40:22 get a new battery Sep 11 10:40:23 luckily i backup my phone every other day and i keep the backup on my pc Sep 11 10:40:30 yea its sunday Sep 11 10:41:00 im not sure i can wait 24 more hours to get my phone online again Sep 11 10:41:10 what's happening when you just plug in wallwart charger? Sep 11 10:41:26 wallwart ? Sep 11 10:41:32 ugh. played basketball yesterday and my entire body is going to die Sep 11 10:41:35 Nokia fastcharger Sep 11 10:41:38 im looking for a way to migrate the contacts from the backup files to a symbian phone Sep 11 10:41:50 ah, i dont have that, i have the genuine nokia chargers Sep 11 10:41:56 tigerdirect got a shipment of touchpads and they sold out in 1 hour Sep 11 10:42:23 HP probably made a mistake in abandoning it Sep 11 10:42:27 MohammadAG are you available ? Sep 11 10:42:38 they could sell it cheaper than the rest and continue development on webos Sep 11 10:42:42 :) Sep 11 10:42:50 i'm sure they will still make a profit Sep 11 10:43:14 afaik its not going to be easy converting maemo contacts into symbian if you have a dead N900 to boot ontop of all that Sep 11 10:43:18 Not at $99 Sep 11 10:43:28 At $99, you can't buy the parts, even in volume Sep 11 10:43:49 Macer: nope, they abandoned the business as there's been no margin for them at original sales price Sep 11 10:44:05 hmm Sep 11 10:44:05 psycho_oreos there must be some solution Sep 11 10:44:17 even a db reader wud work for me Sep 11 10:44:26 i'll create the contacts 1 by 1 on ovi suite and sync them Sep 11 10:44:30 SpeedEvil: you might be abe to for a little bit more Sep 11 10:44:31 maybe 200 Sep 11 10:44:48 biston, there would be a solution yes, but not as easy imo Sep 11 10:44:51 Macer: nope, they abandoned the business as there's been no margin for them at original sales price Sep 11 10:45:03 ouch Sep 11 10:45:05 make cheap products, then when everyone has one (or at least very many), be nice to devs and take 30% of profit from apps, profit?! Sep 11 10:45:23 DocScrutinizer: they could have made it up with licensing Sep 11 10:45:24 lol Sep 11 10:45:50 i don't really see why devs should not take a look at the webOS platform, there's few apps but MANY webOS owners Sep 11 10:46:15 FIQ|n900: that's the scheme Nokia tries to copy from $fruitphone and will fail epically on it Sep 11 10:46:44 DocScrutinizer, hm :P Sep 11 10:46:45 actually already did Sep 11 10:47:08 $fruitphone? hahaha Sep 11 10:47:28 i think hp could have found a way to cut costs on the touchpad Sep 11 10:47:38 Nokia's shift from hw manuf to content provider (or sth silly like that) been anounced quite some years(?) ago Sep 11 10:48:03 i still find it hard to believe they can't cover the cost at 200 heh Sep 11 10:48:15 maybe even 150 Sep 11 10:48:29 i'm sure even a transformer costs like 100 per unit to make Sep 11 10:48:40 Macer: the screen alone is probably like 100 bucks in quantities, in Hongkong Sep 11 10:48:59 hm Sep 11 10:49:21 the touchpad has that pull out screen extension doesn't it? Sep 11 10:49:33 and you have to ask for 3 times your sourcing costs, for a rule of thumb Sep 11 10:52:01 http://www.precentral.net/how-much-does-touchpad-cost-hp-build Sep 11 10:52:01 http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/HP-TouchPad-Carries-$318-Bill-of-Materials.aspx Sep 11 10:52:15 tank-man: heh Sep 11 10:52:19 beat you to it ? :) Sep 11 10:52:33 i stand corrected Sep 11 10:53:01 most expensive components are the display+touchscreen Sep 11 10:53:12 yeah. like 130 for both Sep 11 10:53:17 is MfE closed source or would CSSU team be able to fidle with it? Sep 11 10:53:30 MfE? Sep 11 10:53:37 mail for exchange Sep 11 10:53:37 closed iirc Sep 11 10:54:04 the worst exchange app ever made Sep 11 10:54:06 :) Sep 11 10:54:16 Macer: tank-man: why not just believe me? way easier ;-D Sep 11 10:54:31 hehe, but bether than nothing if you are going to use Exchange Sep 11 10:54:35 DocScrutinizer: rule of thumb is to never believe someone on irc Sep 11 10:54:36 :) Sep 11 10:55:55 what would it take to make a clone of MfE, is it possible? Sep 11 10:56:08 what does MfE do? Sep 11 10:56:13 i am sending my n900 to my buddy to solder a new usb port back on Sep 11 10:56:15 i can't do it Sep 11 10:56:30 was wondering if there was something cool he can do to the usb port while he is doing it? Sep 11 10:56:32 Macer: I'd not think this rule of thumb implies you can trust in web pages Sep 11 10:56:45 DocScrutinizer: depends on the web page ;) Sep 11 10:56:46 pabs3: Sync mail/calender against Exchange server Sep 11 10:56:57 i wouldn't trust truthfulinformation.cn Sep 11 10:57:35 maybe a hosting adapter? Sep 11 10:57:46 or boosting the power so the phone can power another phone? Sep 11 10:57:49 :) Sep 11 10:57:58 or can he add a laser beam to the usb port Sep 11 10:58:07 n900-dk: IIRC the evolution desktop mail client has support for that, so maybe you can steal code from there Sep 11 10:58:45 * DocScrutinizer tatoos "FOOL" on Macer's buttocks with a 50W CO2-laser Sep 11 10:58:59 :) Sep 11 10:59:30 would be nice to have a 50W CO2 laser built into my n900 Sep 11 10:59:40 i might need an extended battery tho :/ Sep 11 10:59:47 I want a proper laser pointer Sep 11 11:00:20 SpeedEvil: can't wire it up to something and make an app to turn it on? Sep 11 11:00:21 :) Sep 11 11:00:23 1nm-1mm, 1nW-1GW, 360 degrees to 0 degrees. Sep 11 11:00:32 1AAA battery Sep 11 11:00:40 pabs3: Ok thanks, eventhough I'm not able to code :) Sep 11 11:00:42 oh Sep 11 11:01:04 you mean an actual laser pointer Sep 11 11:01:29 n900-dk: there is no time like the present to learn something new :) Sep 11 11:01:32 september 11th Sep 11 11:01:56 lets see if my 2 tours in iraq has prevented another terrorist attack from happening today Sep 11 11:02:16 although i did not see the relationship between iraq and terrorism... but whatever Sep 11 11:02:24 * DocScrutinizer just wants some paper to wrap it around his tobacco Sep 11 11:02:37 DocScrutinizer: don't use bible paper Sep 11 11:02:52 use a pipe Sep 11 11:02:55 no bible here, so no risk this might happen Sep 11 11:02:56 hm Sep 11 11:03:08 * DocScrutinizer fetches his pipe Sep 11 11:03:12 any idea why camera lens launcher doesnt do anything when i tell it to open the preferred application, which is blessn900 Sep 11 11:03:24 but the popup menu works, where I can select blessn900 Sep 11 11:04:59 DocScrutinizer: Oh I see, RAPUYAMA = baseband, GAZOO = PMU Sep 11 11:05:08 yep Sep 11 11:05:19 bindi, and does it work if you execute blessn900 manually? Sep 11 11:05:22 Odd. My sim card sometimes goes missing and then comes back again. I reflashed yesterday, so I guess it's a hardware issue, but it's puzzles me that it drops at random. Sep 11 11:05:39 I don't really, that's just a copy paste from googling your nick in IRC logs of this channel :P Sep 11 11:05:41 psycho_oreos: how manually? from the n900 menu and the popup menu, both weork Sep 11 11:06:47 bindi, don't understand by popup menu.. isn't that sort of part of camera lens launcher? Sep 11 11:06:55 psycho_oreos: yeah that Sep 11 11:07:27 bindi, so if its the same and you said the popup works along with your menu, then where's the issue? that you don't get a popup menu at all? Sep 11 11:07:36 i think i was unclear Sep 11 11:07:40 camera lens launcher has 3 options Sep 11 11:07:46 use preferred application, popup menu, or do nothing Sep 11 11:07:52 preferred application = blessn900 - doesnt work Sep 11 11:07:58 popup menu, select blessn900 = works Sep 11 11:08:19 ahh preferred application part doesn't work, no I haven't personally tried that Sep 11 11:09:11 DocScrutinizer: Any idea what could cause seemingly random sim missing events after which the sim comes back at seemingly random times? Sep 11 11:11:00 bindi: confirmed not working for me as well... Sep 11 11:11:14 perhaps it is time to file a bug report Sep 11 11:11:54 ErwinJunge: hw contact problems, or other random fails of modem hw Sep 11 11:12:21 even SIM itself may show such error pattern Sep 11 11:13:19 Hm.. any way to figure out which? Sep 11 11:13:43 iirc SpeedEvil was able to reproducably make his SIM "fail" by pressing near "E" key of kbd Sep 11 11:15:47 Wasn't me Sep 11 11:15:54 works though Sep 11 11:15:55 that was someone else I think Sep 11 11:16:06 reproducable fix as well? ;) Sep 11 11:16:06 err ShadowJK then? Sep 11 11:16:43 I 'fixed' that behaviour by putting a 3G only SIM in the phone. Sep 11 11:17:10 Nokia Care fixed it for me after 2 months Sep 11 11:17:16 by giving me a new N900 Sep 11 11:18:24 * SpeedEvil is currently pondering nokia care. Sep 11 11:18:30 Or soldering the USB port back on. Sep 11 11:18:57 "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device, but most likely will need to reflow heat the " Sep 11 11:19:01 Nokia Care hasn't been really happily giving new N900s recently. At least here in the Netherlands I know of one person who got an N8 multiple times before finally and after a lot of work from his side getting an N900. Nokia Care claimed it was an "upgrade". Sep 11 11:19:01 Rapuyama and Gazoo chips" Sep 11 11:19:11 * DocScrutinizer shudders thinking that even SpeedEvil managed to kift his USB Sep 11 11:19:15 lift* Sep 11 11:19:17 hehe, now *that* a notification message Sep 11 11:19:42 is the rapuyama and gazoo thing from forums? Sep 11 11:20:04 schematics at http://cellphonediagram.com/wp-content/uploads/NOKIA/nokia%20baru/23mar/N900_RX51_schematics_v2_0.rar Sep 11 11:20:24 DocScrutinizer: To be fair - it was utterly my fault. Sep 11 11:20:34 haha Sep 11 11:20:44 SpeedEvil: broke it jsut so you could fix it? :) Sep 11 11:20:47 I mean - impact on the plug - at a worst case angle from a drop Sep 11 11:20:48 Strengths: Is that in reply to my question? Sep 11 11:21:04 Dropped it 1.2m or so, onto the plug, on a hard floor Sep 11 11:21:19 N2200 - Gazoo, D2800 - Rapuyama listed in http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic#Page_11_RAPUYAMA.2C_GAZOO Sep 11 11:21:24 SpeedEvil: i'm sure the crappiness of the usb port in it had something to do with it Sep 11 11:21:38 It bent the plug on the adaptor Sep 11 11:21:39 any other phone would have had a usb port that would have survived that easily Sep 11 11:21:42 the wall adaptor Sep 11 11:21:43 well, that's indeed not a case where you could hope it survives Sep 11 11:25:47 ErwinJunge, for me it just got worse and worse over a period of a few months, the suggested "fixes" of cleaning contacts or padding did nothing or just slowed down degradation by a day or two Sep 11 11:26:13 Strengths: funny you seem to have found an alternative source for the schematics. It's the same version we know since ages, anyway - just checked it Sep 11 11:26:23 ok Sep 11 11:26:35 so the "v2" is misleading Sep 11 11:26:41 yes Sep 11 11:27:10 unles they changed stuff without noticing it on first page Sep 11 11:27:27 ShadowJK: Hm... not too happy about that prospect. Thanks for telling me though. Sep 11 11:27:41 obviously I couldn'T compare the whole document (I didn't try a diff though) Sep 11 11:28:42 DocScrutinizer: Does the "pressing near e leads to missing sim" thing tell you anything useful as to what the cause may be? I'd prefer to have it fixed rather than go through Nokia Care. Sep 11 11:29:29 this specific error pattern suggests there've been problems with reflow process leading to por solder joints of the BGA chips Sep 11 11:30:40 DocScrutinizer: And would that be fixable? :) I have only a vague idea of what you just said. Sep 11 11:30:58 if you for example fail to properly preheat the chips for 30+ min, then on soldering you create mech tension when the chips and PCB cool down after reflow Sep 11 11:31:24 Ah, now that I understand :) Sep 11 11:31:36 putting the whole phone in an oven to reheat some solder on 2 chips doesn't sound good Sep 11 11:31:47 or chips were exposed to air for too long and so collected humidity Sep 11 11:32:10 which leads to solder joints "boiling out" some water/steam Sep 11 11:32:19 where can I change the schedule for checking for apps updates? Sep 11 11:33:20 http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check Sep 11 11:35:35 how many N950 dev phones are they going to make? Sep 11 11:36:03 DocScrutinizer: So theoretically I could get someone to fix the solder joints of the BGA chips? Sep 11 11:36:10 so I could disable it and use alarmed to do '/usr/libexec/apt-worker.real check-for-updates' at specific time? Sep 11 11:36:16 all were made some months ago, probably even a year ago Sep 11 11:36:52 instant collectors item Sep 11 11:36:59 ErwinJunge: some qualified SMT rework shop may be able to reflow the chips, yes Sep 11 11:37:32 n900-dk: probably yes Sep 11 11:37:36 tracker is used to index images and videos and music - correct? Sep 11 11:37:49 because I don't really do these on N900 Sep 11 11:37:51 n900-dk: never checked the apt-worker.real part Sep 11 11:37:56 DocScrutinizer: Alright, thanks. I'll try that before going through Nokia Care Sep 11 11:37:59 can it be disabled? Sep 11 11:38:13 FIQ|n900: yes Sep 11 11:38:26 i guess this will speed up a bit and the battery would be more nice Sep 11 11:38:30 hm, how? Sep 11 11:38:48 tracker config app Sep 11 11:38:56 Ok Sep 11 11:39:03 or just edit the config file by hand Sep 11 11:39:03 will check it out Sep 11 11:39:22 you can set up things like "never run indexing while on battery" Sep 11 11:41:12 I'm trying to get gcc on n900 to compile a very simple program (talks serial to a usb motor controller over ttyACM0), I found some instructions telling to install a few debs but seems I lack the standard libs Sep 11 11:41:34 someone also mentioned including the sdk repo and doing apt-get build-essential but is that safe? Sep 11 11:42:01 no Sep 11 11:42:09 joga: The preferred method is simply using scratchbox, or if you're on Windows esbox. Sep 11 11:42:16 s/The/My/ Sep 11 11:42:17 ErwinJunge meant: joga: My preferred method is simply using scratchbox, or if you're on Windows esbox. Sep 11 11:42:20 it will most likely cram your rootfs Sep 11 11:42:49 keep backups, be prepared to reflash, and if apt-get asks ig you're sure you want to blow away your system, say no Sep 11 11:43:01 s/ig/if Sep 11 11:43:02 wow Sep 11 11:43:06 load avg went just up 6.08 for some reason Sep 11 11:43:30 htop is your friend ;-) Sep 11 11:43:34 using top Sep 11 11:43:40 apt eating a lot Sep 11 11:43:42 fair enough Sep 11 11:43:56 it's checking for updates I guess Sep 11 11:44:00 <.< Sep 11 11:44:12 ShadowJK, that reminds me Sep 11 11:44:27 libc6-dev probably needed. Biggest problem is running out of diskspace or accidentally killing something Sep 11 11:44:28 DocScrutinizer, that's what I was afraid of.. Sep 11 11:44:33 apt-get once told me "if you continue, you will be out of root space, continue anyway?" Sep 11 11:44:38 at least it asked :P Sep 11 11:44:55 well, I don't strictly have to do this with c anyway, I just happened to have a program ready in c Sep 11 11:46:03 I did this on N800 and N810 a few times, never tried it on N900 Sep 11 11:46:11 there are ways to set up a proper development system on N900. Just needs a lot of work to move everything out of the 250MB rootfs to eMMC Sep 11 11:46:42 easiest is probably just a chroot Sep 11 11:46:42 a build-essential install, followed by cursing and reflash and restoring backups is probably a few magnotudes faster than figuring out scratchbox though ;-) Sep 11 11:48:13 or you check if build-essentials maybe actually is optified already, or you optify it manually Sep 11 11:48:44 nothing in sdk repo is optified Sep 11 11:48:53 thought as much Sep 11 11:49:04 DocScrutinizer: I got tracker-cfg, where do I set this don't do when using battery Sep 11 11:49:21 BatteryIndexInitial ...? Sep 11 11:49:23 could I compile such a program in easy debian? Sep 11 11:49:23 who would've cared to optify a pkg that's not meant to get installed on target platform Sep 11 11:49:44 bindi: sth like that, yeah Sep 11 11:49:54 there's BatteryIndex and BatteryIndexInitial Sep 11 11:50:09 # nice trackerd, doesn't exactly make it bearable, but somewhat less sucking Sep 11 11:50:10 sed -i -e "s/Throttle=0/Throttle=10/" /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg Sep 11 11:50:24 joga, try tiny-c-compiler Sep 11 11:50:27 ah Sep 11 11:50:33 Enable or disable indexing when on battery power. Sep 11 11:50:34 if it's just a simple C program Sep 11 11:50:51 FIQ|n900, yes it's simple, just spitting some bytes to serial, nothing more Sep 11 11:50:54 was already disabled Sep 11 11:51:11 so try it :) Sep 11 11:51:17 it's available in repos Sep 11 11:51:21 hello Sep 11 11:51:36 FIQ|n900, doing it right now ;) Sep 11 11:52:04 easiest is probably just a chroot Sep 11 11:52:13 wouldn't that be really slow? Sep 11 11:52:21 is there a shortcut for x-term, I'm in a reboot loop, managed to disable lifeguard, phone boots but can't get into x-term Sep 11 11:52:27 bindi: Sep 11 11:52:28 # Set to true to disable initial indexing when running on battery Sep 11 11:52:30 BatteryIndexInitial=false Sep 11 11:52:42 # Set to true to disable indexing when running on battery Sep 11 11:52:43 BatteryIndex=false Sep 11 11:53:02 less /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg Sep 11 11:53:23 ctrl-shift-x Sep 11 11:53:42 (for xterm) Sep 11 11:54:04 it didn't work I guess, nothing happened :( Sep 11 11:54:30 well, if h-d is not coming up then it possibly fails Sep 11 11:54:51 understood the manpage incorrectly then Sep 11 11:55:11 bindi: manpage?? Sep 11 11:55:11 ShadowJK: nice 2 finger salute I'll try to remember :) Sep 11 11:55:17 FIQ|n900, tcc hello.c -o hello says "tcc: file '/usr/lib/crt1.o' not found, tcc: file '/usr/lib/crti.o' not found, test.c:1: include file 'stdio.h' not found" Sep 11 11:55:19 *3 finger Sep 11 11:55:22 DocScrutinizer: i googled it :D Sep 11 11:55:23 or fingertip Sep 11 11:55:35 which one Sep 11 11:55:54 man trackerd ? Sep 11 11:56:04 (I guess I should just remember the package names for such) Sep 11 11:56:30 linux.die.net/man/5/tracker.cfg Sep 11 11:56:43 aah Sep 11 11:57:13 well, the original tracker.cfg has a lot of comments Sep 11 11:57:14 Should I wait to get help, I'm desperate at the moment. I don't want to reflash, just did that 1 week ago :/ Sep 11 11:57:56 joga, I haven't used it for myself, just saw it in the repos Sep 11 11:58:03 so no idea, sorry :p Sep 11 11:58:19 I guess I just don't have some -dev pkg but I'll look into it, thanks for the tip Sep 11 11:59:01 bindi: I'm puzzled about the weird sematics as well, I mean "set XXX=false to enable XXX" WTF? Sep 11 11:59:11 we can flash via flasher-3.5, can't we copy files to directories via it? Sep 11 11:59:14 o_o Sep 11 11:59:56 yeah Sep 11 12:02:43 ? Sep 11 12:03:34 s1nan: no, alas not Sep 11 12:04:05 s1nan maybe figuring out what you did to get a reboot loop within a week would be advisable? :) Sep 11 12:05:26 I changed transitions from maemodder, after installing hildon-desktop for portrait mode Sep 11 12:05:42 oooh Sep 11 12:05:52 everything was fine, I felt some lag so I used optimizen900, then reboot loop. Sep 11 12:06:07 ouch! Sep 11 12:06:24 X.x Sep 11 12:06:29 s1nan: Is it a fast reboot loop? Sep 11 12:06:31 optimizen900 sounds like a really bad idea to even touch with a 10 feet pole Sep 11 12:06:32 Sorry. Sep 11 12:06:47 nope, it boots, I see the desktop Sep 11 12:07:01 then black squares come, then I see empty desktop Sep 11 12:07:04 how do I rightclick on vncviewer <.< Sep 11 12:07:11 then squares again, after that, reboot Sep 11 12:07:46 well, I was using optimizen900 without any problem Sep 11 12:08:03 meh Sep 11 12:08:16 I guess same thing would happen if I used the reboot button Sep 11 12:08:49 problem is transitions.ini, I guess. I just need to replace it with default one Sep 11 12:09:20 problem is, can't get x-term started, have not button for x-term at top menu, and see it on desktop. Sep 11 12:09:48 Plus, ctrl+shift+x didn't work, should I keep them pressed..? I also tried that though.. Sep 11 12:11:14 so, any ideas to resurrect my n900? Sep 11 12:11:18 how do I rightclick on vncviewer <.< i prefer PresenceVNC Sep 11 12:11:41 FIQ|n900: figured it out, volume up button while tapping Sep 11 12:11:45 You can also adjust quality, like if you're on 3G, and things like that Sep 11 12:11:45 FIQ|n900: anyway what's better about it Sep 11 12:12:11 hmm Sep 11 12:12:23 i'll look into that Sep 11 12:12:56 Well, you can actually send things not on N900 keyboard. IIRC, vncviewer was able to do that as well, but not as much keys Sep 11 12:14:06 And, I once tried running minecraft just to see if it worked - for some reason the keys didn't work in vncviewer at all, but they did in presence Sep 11 12:14:15 Not that i will do that, but just as a test Sep 11 12:16:42 no ideas? Sep 11 12:17:18 can't we replace file via flasher?... :( Sep 11 12:19:26 s1nan: boot rescueos... Sep 11 12:20:14 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75369 Sep 11 12:21:54 looking into it Sep 11 12:22:27 ah, it is for linux I guess Sep 11 12:22:33 using PC atm Sep 11 12:22:36 win7 Sep 11 12:23:29 well :/ Sep 11 12:24:12 that looks promising though Sep 11 12:25:37 but unable to help me, sadly :( I was thinking to have Ubuntu too, one more reason to have it Sep 11 12:25:54 windows has flasher, it would be possible to boot the initrd at least. Sep 11 12:26:35 initrd? Sep 11 12:27:10 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1077983&postcount=18 Sep 11 12:28:31 things getting messy for me Sep 11 12:32:01 downloading initrd and kernel, what is next? Sep 11 12:34:21 aha, I made it to run x-term Sep 11 12:34:23 ^^ Sep 11 12:34:29 b2w, to use it you need to know the linux console. To boot it: turn your N900 off, run the flasher command and connect your N900 to your PC... Sep 11 12:35:12 I thought so, just needed confirm, diving into x-term Sep 11 12:37:04 My problem is a small one, a tool which will make N900 run in mass storage mode, starting from root would be very helpful for programmers, wouldn't it? Sep 11 12:39:40 isn't that what RescueOS does? Sep 11 12:42:57 no Sep 11 12:43:41 I didn't run it yet, have no linux on this computer, so I don't know. But it says mass-storage mode in core features. It can be just like normal n900 connects to computer in mass-storage mode, not like I mentioned Sep 11 12:44:41 psycho_oreos, no? Sep 11 12:44:49 I don't see how mass storage mode could help to e.g. replace transitions.ini Sep 11 12:45:08 Atarii, not without one needing to run a few commands Sep 11 12:45:41 heh transitions.ini sits on rootfs.. good luck with that :p Sep 11 12:45:46 mass storage mode in rescueos exposes maemo home and MyDocs. That's it. To replace your file, you have to to mount the rootfs, and this is possible. Sep 11 12:46:01 if I could see (reach) the directories, so I could move default transitions.ini easily Sep 11 12:46:08 you can. Sep 11 12:46:41 backed up default transitions.ini, lets see if it works Sep 11 12:48:00 yea. I'm da killa nob here, a'right? As good as new, thank you guys for all your help! :) Sep 11 12:48:11 What does this syslog message mean?: Sep 11 12:48:12 Sep 11 14:41:20 Nokia-N900 kernel: [122278.481323] wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up Sep 11 12:52:10 n900-dk: probably means your wlan AP doesn't support PSM properly Sep 11 12:53:54 by the way.. any of you guys know which lines to change the feel of "menu splash"in transitions.ini, I like dscobsct custom transition, but when I do it with maemodder, maemodder changes the transitions.ini and that makes CSSU features app to crash, also made me into reboot loop. Which lines to change, to have that "menu splash"?.. Sep 11 12:56:01 DocScrutinizer: Hmm, seems to be a bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9101 Sep 11 12:56:03 04Bug 9101: Wifi doesn't enter power saving mode properly (wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up) Sep 11 13:01:57 one more question for today, I am using default kernel, and I have no need the programs those need power kernel. Is there any positive thing for me to switch to power kernel? Sep 11 13:08:05 hi all Sep 11 13:08:17 hmh...do you guys ever get some (heat related?) shutting down of the phone while installing easy debian? Sep 11 13:08:26