**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 15 02:59:57 2011 Sep 15 08:30:45 duh, pubn.. err jerbnik :-) Sep 15 08:32:35 Morning, all Sep 15 08:32:42 moo Jaffa Sep 15 08:40:56 Moo all Sep 15 09:15:11 moo Sep 15 09:20:53 sorry, I didn't check if this has already been discussed, but after the recent updates I cannot lock/unlock my n900 with the key on the right Sep 15 09:34:08 MohammadAG: ping Sep 15 09:39:25 Hack it, then! Sep 15 09:39:29 Got BackupMenu? Sep 15 09:41:57 hello badys Sep 15 09:43:06 has someone instersting hydra .Hydra is a tool to guess/crack valid login/password pairs .......install the newest version on my N900 Sep 15 10:22:42 javispedro: morning! Sep 15 10:23:06 hi Sep 15 10:25:03 morning folks Sep 15 11:21:08 hello. Sep 15 11:59:44 Ballmer: Windows Phones aren't selling very well, but we're not worried Sep 15 11:59:51 http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/15/ballmer-windows-phones-arent-selling-very-well-but-were-not/ Sep 15 12:00:10 morning Sep 15 12:00:28 RST38h, hey, just read about lcuk, is it true or joke? Sep 15 12:00:43 ZogG: true =( Sep 15 12:00:46 With Nokia we have a dedicated hardware partner that is all-in on Windows Phones, Ballmer said. They are not doing something on Android or [any other operating system]. Sep 15 12:00:50 damn =( Sep 15 12:01:01 'damn' does not even start to describe it Sep 15 12:01:01 how old he was? Sep 15 12:01:06 30s Sep 15 12:01:19 what happened ? Sep 15 12:01:27 was a good guy =( Sep 15 12:01:53 nobody knows Sep 15 12:02:40 Meanwhile, this Uncle Fester appears to be gloating about the whole Elop deal... Sep 15 12:08:42 who is fester? Sep 15 12:09:20 ZogG: Addams' Family Sep 15 12:09:35 (see also: my brother) Sep 15 12:13:22 <_trine> it looks like Nokia and Netgear etc are forming a go out of business quick club Sep 15 12:14:20 With HP Sep 15 12:14:33 you forgot hp Sep 15 12:14:47 ah, ok, SpeedEvil caught it Sep 15 12:14:48 <_trine> they'll be part of the etc group Sep 15 12:15:23 Jaffa: Did you try feeding him bulbs? Sep 15 12:15:39 [related question: anyone tried feeding Ballmer bulbs?] Sep 15 12:17:55 <_trine> I didnt know until this week I only live a short distance from where Lcuk lived Sep 15 12:21:43 mornin Sep 15 12:23:24 What's netgear doing? Sep 15 12:23:35 except putting bad caps in my ethernet switch Sep 15 12:26:16 Ballmer: Windows Phone can win third place in mobile! Sep 15 12:26:23 I heard they were going down to the beach Sep 15 12:26:26 [no shit, if they kill Symbian] Sep 15 12:27:43 Chief executive Steven Elop, a former Microsoft executive, is reported to have decided Nokia phones in the US will only be available ready locked into carriers' networks and that unlocked phones that let you the consumer pick the network you want will no longer be sold. Sep 15 12:27:58 Cheers, American users. Sep 15 12:29:50 RST38h: isn't that a way to have more nokia phones subsidized? Sep 15 12:30:16 Corsac: No idea Sep 15 12:30:22 (I don't know the current state of nokia phones in the us, wrt carriers, but I had the impression they weren't really interested right now) Sep 15 12:30:41 It is a way to make sure no discerning power user will ever buy your phone though Sep 15 12:30:59 I'm not sure it's considered bad though :) Sep 15 12:31:25 * RST38h doubts any amount of ass licking will make a carrier subsidize inferior, unpopular product over a popular one Sep 15 12:31:41 Well, they are sort of locked anyway. By network technology. Not a whole lot of options. Sep 15 12:32:02 Actually, latest Nokia phones are (were?) penta-band Sep 15 12:32:09 so it is not that bad Sep 15 12:32:27 won't give you cdma, but you should be ok with gsm/umts networks Sep 15 12:33:21 RST38h: And there are lots of those in the US :) Sep 15 12:34:00 Well, there are just a few carriers in the us to begin with Sep 15 12:34:07 but you can at least choose between those Sep 15 12:34:37 Afaik there is only one left on gsm? Sep 15 12:54:41 X-Fade: Both TMobile and AT&T are GSM and nobody is letting them merge yet Sep 15 12:55:13 X-Fade: There are also smaller providers around, if I understand things correctly, especially in midwest Sep 15 13:07:39 RST38h: though I admit I never really understood if USA carrier situation is really that bad, it seems to me there are like 100 carriers offering GSM, just only for little patches of whole USA Sep 15 13:08:28 Right, that is what I have read, although there were only 3 or so (including major ones) at the East Coast Sep 15 13:08:50 It's not that bad. Sep 15 13:09:14 * RST38h has been to AT&T Wireless office and yes, it is THAT bad =) Sep 15 13:09:50 They don't care. They don't have to. They are the phone company. Sep 15 13:11:03 http://maps.mobileworldlive.com/network.php?cid=280&cname=United States Sep 15 13:11:25 s/ /%20/ Sep 15 13:11:27 SpeedEvil meant: But%20I just collapsed into giggles. Sep 15 13:11:46 That's an interesting fail. Sep 15 13:12:09 OMG Verizon running GSM network??? Sep 15 13:14:27 ~GSM_in_USA is http://maps.mobileworldlive.com/network.php?cid=280&cname=United Sep 15 13:14:28 okay, DocScrutinizer Sep 15 13:18:52 SpeedEvil: DUH, indeed Sep 15 13:19:01 LOL Sep 15 13:19:41 well, I guess ibot isn't using a per-cahn array of "last said" for each user Sep 15 13:21:20 the memory footprint is just large enough right now, even without per-channel*per-user history and with some timeout on s/// as well (though I guess the timeout doesn't purge the history) Sep 15 13:23:11 meanwhile, what's THAT: http://cordiatab.com Sep 15 13:23:24 That is smoku Sep 15 13:26:29 GeneralAntilles: not that bad? please elaborate Sep 15 13:27:28 GeneralAntilles: do you mean it's not that bad that there are so many small local GSM carriers, because . Or do you suggest this proposition is basically incorrect? Sep 15 13:35:02 Venemo hey Sep 15 13:35:23 long time no see Sep 15 13:44:26 DocScrutinizer, I'm suggesting the choice selection for most areas isn't any more limited than the ISP selection would be Sep 15 13:44:40 and that most US consumers don't actually care whether it's GSM or not. Sep 15 13:44:47 As their get their phones from their carriers Sep 15 13:44:54 s/their/they/ Sep 15 13:44:55 GeneralAntilles meant: As they get their phones from their carriers Sep 15 13:45:05 The service is atrocious though Sep 15 13:45:29 That's incredibly area dependent. Sep 15 13:47:35 <_trine> ShadowJK, they had some great routers with atheros chipsets now they have built the new design with crappy broadcom Sep 15 13:48:35 GAN: I mean the customer service, not the signal quality (which also seems to be lacking with everyone but Verizon) Sep 15 13:48:51 Also seems to be area dependent. Sep 15 13:49:12 But, yes, government-supported monopolies behaving like monopolies is a Bad Thing. Sep 15 13:53:14 lcuk's death still makes me feel numb inside, even today. Sep 15 13:53:27 :( Sep 15 13:58:22 DocScrutinizer, do you mind putting the topic back Sep 15 13:58:33 shrink the current link Sep 15 13:58:51 ok Sep 15 14:00:09 going to shrink later Sep 15 14:00:22 we already had larger topic poems Sep 15 14:01:29 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/15/windows_phone_disappoints/ <-- hehe Sep 15 14:03:05 ruskie: I wonder why... the biggest phone manufacturer ever bids on that horse (me thinks it is a gambling-decease in .fi) Sep 15 14:03:18 disease ;) Sep 15 14:03:44 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/15/search_companies_and_isps_may_be_asked_by_gov_to_tackle_copyright_infringement/ <-- omg... "Online file-sharing is a 'direct assault on freedoms'" Sep 15 14:04:08 Nice Sep 15 14:04:13 ruskie, what out mate, you're starting to sound a lot like pupnik there ;) Sep 15 14:04:40 next thing we know, you're going to start raving about al qaeda and bush. Sep 15 14:04:42 crash: To be honest, this particular headline made me cringe too, this morning Sep 15 14:04:48 I know Sep 15 14:08:00 crashanddie, lol Sep 15 14:33:51 autobuilder is out of memory? Sep 15 14:35:31 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/15/paypals_big_plan/ <-- hmm Sep 15 14:35:51 BTW, where is pupnik? Is he ok? Sep 15 14:36:42 Haven't heard from him in what feels like months. Sep 15 14:37:15 these recent news suddenly made me wonder where everybody else is Sep 15 14:37:23 qwerty12 included Sep 15 14:37:40 ~seen pupnik Sep 15 14:37:53 pupnik <~pupnik@p54B2A321.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 110d 5h 5m 56s ago, saying: 'o/'. Sep 15 14:38:09 o/ Sep 15 14:41:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNUgFYRrDGM Sep 15 14:42:03 Nice video by Gary. Sep 15 14:44:31 RST38h: well, you know qwerty12's goodbye "love letter" Sep 15 14:44:58 RST38h: and pupnik's last day here he was rather ... himself. but 100x times worse. Sep 15 14:45:06 X-Fade: Yeah, I remember this one, as well as discussion (at a cafe in AMS) about how this demo can be extended to multiple N900s placed on a desktop Sep 15 14:45:13 i have still been worried about jott, finally called his phone a month or so ago and got a german automated message... left a message on it... his site is stale/dead now... Sep 15 14:45:26 javispedro: I actually liked the letter =) Sep 15 14:45:37 javispedro: He left in style! Sep 15 14:45:58 qwerty left a goodbye letter when he left? Sep 15 14:46:00 i missed that Sep 15 14:46:13 iirc it was "fuck you" Sep 15 14:46:24 in 1000 words Sep 15 14:49:15 anyone have a link to that? Sep 15 14:53:10 qwerty :) Sep 15 14:54:16 rm_work, it was very sweet. Sep 15 14:54:26 Jaffa got a shoutout Sep 15 14:54:27 as did crashanddie. Sep 15 14:55:01 it's still on the wiki =) Sep 15 14:56:51 In all fairness, I got back in touch with qwerty afterwards, and he did apologise for what he said. Sep 15 14:57:01 I used to love internettablettalk.com Sep 15 14:58:02 crashanddie, yeah, I wasn't all that excited by the diatribe. Sep 15 14:58:10 penguinbait, we all did. Sep 15 14:58:18 yeah :/ Sep 15 14:58:24 and then it became... TMO. T_T Sep 15 14:58:32 Then it got filled with the sorts of people who buy MetaWatches and then ask why they can't pair them with their "iPhone 4"s. Sep 15 14:58:46 rm_work, its death had very little to do with that Sep 15 14:58:50 oh, there we go. Sep 15 14:58:53 and everything to do with rising platform popularity. Sep 15 14:59:20 and not sheltering the devs from the community. Sep 15 14:59:28 Actually, let me revise that s/people who buy MetaWatches/people who PREORDER MetaWatches/ Sep 15 14:59:30 (someone will now be forcibly obligated to put something about elitism, etc.) Sep 15 14:59:40 javispedro, you smug bastard. Sep 15 14:59:52 javispedro, how's't anyway? Sep 15 14:59:59 * javispedro glances at the watch... oh, 5pm =) Sep 15 15:00:23 well, it's still missing a few minutes to 4-hour change as it said on the online instruction booklet Sep 15 15:00:37 *charge Sep 15 15:00:54 the band looks slightly cheaper than what I thought Sep 15 15:01:10 fortunately, it seems easy to replace Sep 15 15:01:57 That's too bad. Sep 15 15:01:59 and what they say about the display is true: there's a mirror behind the LCD -- so "white" pixels are not actually white but totally reflective Sep 15 15:02:14 Weird choice Sep 15 15:02:57 therefore you can get into a very low contrast situation Sep 15 15:03:04 hrm Sep 15 15:03:04 but imo, still readable Sep 15 15:03:12 * rm_work doesn't even know what a metawatch is Sep 15 15:03:17 need to check how it looks under sunlight Sep 15 15:04:18 also, left buttons are a bit hard to press; on the other side, right ones are quite easy. Sep 15 15:04:25 I think this is clearly intentional Sep 15 15:04:45 but you probably need to know if you are lefty Sep 15 15:05:01 rm_work, http://metawtach.org Sep 15 15:05:11 Now owned by a former Nokia exec and some Fossil people. Sep 15 15:05:23 http://metawatch.org/ Sep 15 15:05:57 that looks... neat? Sep 15 15:06:21 rm_work: wait until I put my demo online of running QML on the watch =) Sep 15 15:06:25 lol Sep 15 15:06:47 (it actually runs on the phone, controlling watch display via BT) Sep 15 15:07:10 still not done the BT part =) but QML part (calculating damaged area, etc.) is done Sep 15 15:07:48 so if weather.com says it is forecasted to be rainy today, you can have your watch just display a huge picture of an umbrella so you can remember before you walk out the door? :P Sep 15 15:08:16 it can display the huge umbrella while vibrating Sep 15 15:08:21 lol Sep 15 15:08:37 does it have a speaker? Sep 15 15:08:38 or just a beeper Sep 15 15:08:42 neither Sep 15 15:08:45 lolwut Sep 15 15:08:46 javispedro: the idea of an internet-connected watch amuses me Sep 15 15:08:49 a sad omission imho, I would've enjoyed a beeper. Sep 15 15:08:56 it does have an accelerometer. Sep 15 15:09:00 but I fail to see an use for it. Sep 15 15:09:02 so it cannot be used as a stopwatch. k. Sep 15 15:09:17 partly because it would make it fairly easily possible to have dramatic things happen when you press the button on a watch Sep 15 15:09:25 BCMM: an internet connected watch is what i've wanted for the past 12+ years Sep 15 15:09:33 like... explosions, i suppose Sep 15 15:09:37 well, my plan is to allow for QtQuick plugins to be written for the watch Sep 15 15:09:40 lol yes Sep 15 15:09:44 I am calling them Watchlets =) Sep 15 15:09:50 or at least a loud explosion-like sound from a nearby stereo Sep 15 15:10:03 that would actually be a fairly entertaining prank Sep 15 15:10:15 come home to see FBI van parked in front of house -> press button on watch -> computer at home triggers a mini-EMP in your house Sep 15 15:10:18 javispedro, pedometer? Sep 15 15:10:26 GeneralAntilles: oh, good point. Sep 15 15:10:31 GeneralAntilles: so you can detect pedophiles? Sep 15 15:10:40 http://pastebin.com/aLRzqnN0 <-- a qml "watchlet" sample Sep 15 15:10:46 (note: raw source code) Sep 15 15:10:47 americans can't spell greek... Sep 15 15:10:54 * rm_work always thinks of "pedometer" as a pedophile detecting device Sep 15 15:11:34 javispedro, did you see the Python lib for N900? Sep 15 15:11:44 yeah Sep 15 15:12:02 I am missing exactly the BT part so I will take a look. Sep 15 15:13:13 My non-IRC-using friend has an N900 that lost its USB port in the classic fashion. Will Nokia Care be able to tell that he took it to pieces to inspect the damage? Sep 15 15:13:30 <_< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vp30JdsUjM Sep 15 15:13:44 is there some tamper-evident thing somewhere? Sep 15 15:14:05 first question is obviously: why the fuck did he take it apart if he still has warranty? Sep 15 15:14:37 javispedro: Do you actually have one of these? Sep 15 15:14:39 ShadowJK: i only just told him he still has warranty. also, he's an engineering student; i think they like taking this apart Sep 15 15:14:43 harbaum: charging it now Sep 15 15:14:49 (for the first time) Sep 15 15:14:59 also, what are nokia care UK doing at the moment with broken N900s? still offering to replace with the full-retail-kit version of some other handset? Sep 15 15:15:00 Where do you got it from? Are they being sold? Sep 15 15:15:33 harbaum: seemingly a batch of the digital one went through, and for some reason I got one despite having preordered it just a week ago Sep 15 15:15:42 BCMM: if he's an engineering student, just have him solder a usb plug back on it T_T Sep 15 15:15:46 Ohm they have a forum for me: Hardware Interface Projects 0 posts, 0 topics Sep 15 15:15:47 For those who immediately void the warranty on purpose. Sep 15 15:15:54 it is easily possible if you know what you're doing Sep 15 15:15:55 to GeneralAntilles' disgust =) Sep 15 15:16:00 or have him ask his professor to do it Sep 15 15:16:06 harbaum, it's clearly because he bribed somebody in TI's shipping department. Sep 15 15:16:14 GeneralAntilles: proba Sep 15 15:16:31 probably the lady who fixed my.Ti account =) Sep 15 15:16:33 rm_work: he hasn't done it yet because he wasn't sure he could get the soldering iron at the right angle Sep 15 15:17:00 rm_work: i told him i was sure other people had soldered them, but at this point he'd rather not screw thing up warrenty-wise Sep 15 15:17:04 if he hasn't already Sep 15 15:17:29 now, i would imagine that they don't even open it if the port has fallen off, but if they do, can they tell it's been previously opened? Sep 15 15:17:45 javispedro: Did you get the digital or analog one? Sep 15 15:17:54 Aren't there some loctited screws in there that would be mysteriously loose? Sep 15 15:18:02 harbaum: digital Sep 15 15:18:36 so, let's try to get this qtmobility bluetooth thing to work before I curse the entire thing and go raw sockets. Sep 15 15:19:21 ShadowJK: is that the blue screws? Sep 15 15:19:49 yeah Sep 15 15:39:44 ShadowJK: thanks Sep 15 15:40:59 nobody knows of any tamper detection anyways Sep 15 15:41:17 iirc neither that or moisture detector is mentioned in service manuals Sep 15 16:03:26 * javispedro lols Sep 15 16:03:34 so, trying auto pairing crashes the watch Sep 15 16:03:51 to be fair, they do say "SSP pairing mode" is "beta" Sep 15 16:10:17 Nice Sep 15 16:21:54 when nitdroid n13 release ? Sep 15 16:51:57 "I want to make a product. I have the prototype and motivation and am trying to learn how to do business." - lcuk@twitter, 5 Sep 2011 Sep 15 17:00:14 javispedro, the watch crashes/can crash? Sep 15 17:00:42 MohammadAG: well, it's a computer... Sep 15 17:00:59 javispedro, so's my car Sep 15 17:01:18 Sep 15 17:01:19 oh wait, that says check oil and turns off by itself sometimes Sep 15 17:01:37 either way, it's clearly a prototype Sep 15 17:01:53 they basically tell you to go and find your own way to flash the muC. Sep 15 17:01:56 *uC Sep 15 17:01:58 You check oil, oil is fine, and it still says check oil, you tell it to go fuck itself, and it turns itself off? Sep 15 17:02:02 probably cause it wipes the floor with oil overnight Sep 15 17:02:46 ShadowJK, so i'm driving down a hill the other day Sep 15 17:02:52 stressed it a bit Sep 15 17:03:02 and it turned off Sep 15 17:03:11 javispedro, not shipping 'til mid October Sep 15 17:03:15 I'm going to go die now. Sep 15 17:03:48 brake didn't work anymore, steering locked, it's on drive (yes, it's automatic) and oh... yeah, it's on a steep hill Sep 15 17:03:50 GeneralAntilles: that's what TI told you? O.o Sep 15 17:04:01 ebrake helped, though some part inside me cringed Sep 15 17:04:09 Mohammad: handbrake then? Sep 15 17:04:27 RST38h, isn't that called an ebrake nowadays? Sep 15 17:04:30 What kind of death machine is that? Sep 15 17:04:36 Mohammad: I am old fashioned Sep 15 17:04:37 VW Golf Sep 15 17:04:41 Urgh Sep 15 17:05:03 Well, I'd get a BMW if I had the money Sep 15 17:05:07 My car's steering and brakes continue to function even if engine is off. Granted, I only get one or two power-assisted braking and after that it's unassisted :-) Sep 15 17:05:18 BMWs also get this thing Sep 15 17:05:29 Not as murderous, but still Sep 15 17:05:36 and if I put it in gear and spin up the engine with the clutch I get powersteering back too :-) Sep 15 17:05:39 but i'm fine with this, except I desperately need an AUX plug in it Sep 15 17:05:51 (I have a habbit of coasting through towns with engine off) Sep 15 17:05:55 in the middle of hte night Sep 15 17:06:17 Wearing a mask and a cape? Sep 15 17:06:28 was 4 AM the other day with no one in sight, had it going at 190kmph Sep 15 17:06:41 that was fun Sep 15 17:07:13 anyone know those tape to 3.5mm adapters? Sep 15 17:07:36 yes Sep 15 17:08:25 You may be better off buying a $100 car radio/cd with an aux Sep 15 17:08:42 A lot of them have USB and/or SD card sockets nowadays,too Sep 15 17:09:42 ^ Sep 15 17:09:51 The tape adaptors are really atrocious. Sep 15 17:10:09 well, they do work, just not very well Sep 15 17:10:25 why didn't some smartass make them for CDs? Sep 15 17:10:25 umm question Sep 15 17:10:25 does every app on Harmattan have an instace of the status menu? Sep 15 17:10:25 +n somewhere in there Sep 15 17:10:33 since when do vw golf have a check oil light Sep 15 17:10:49 it does not? Sep 15 17:10:51 RST38h, don't have any tape in it Sep 15 17:11:00 err, forever? Sep 15 17:11:16 it has an airbag light too, wonder what means Sep 15 17:11:32 20:10 RST38h: You may be better off buying a $100 car radio/cd with an aux Sep 15 17:11:42 i'd do that if my parents didn't mind Sep 15 17:11:54 means your airbag controller hasbeen borked Sep 15 17:12:03 so,pray it does notlight up Sep 15 17:12:05 nothing to worry about then Sep 15 17:12:19 Mohammad: WOuldn't they like a new stereo? Sep 15 17:13:04 no, because new stereos are hard to use Sep 15 17:14:30 lol Sep 15 17:17:06 javispedro, did you at least get some unboxing pictures? Sep 15 17:17:16 hello there Sep 15 17:17:18 javispedro, I mean, you gotta be the first person to take unboxing pictures of a MetaWatch with an N950. Sep 15 17:17:20 RST38h, it's always lit Sep 15 17:17:44 RST38h, they listen to CDs, those are so last decade Sep 15 17:18:21 anyone used the N950's video cam? Sep 15 17:18:32 it's awesome Sep 15 17:18:46 if your airbag light is always lit, this usually means that either the airbag or its controller are broken Sep 15 17:18:48 MohammadAG: MTF apps at least get the statusbar "screenshot" via a shared pixmap then proceed to render it wherever they feel to Sep 15 17:18:53 At least in Hondas and Toyotas Sep 15 17:19:06 Mohammad: those cheap stereos usually include CD Sep 15 17:19:15 GeneralAntilles: hah, I didn't =) Sep 15 17:19:21 Loser. Sep 15 17:19:25 RST38h, point is, they don't mind the stereo in it Sep 15 17:19:27 You don't even know what you've got. Sep 15 17:20:14 * javispedro giggles Sep 15 17:20:22 oh, look at the time. Sep 15 17:20:39 I should be working =) Sep 15 17:21:02 so i need a reason to get a new one Sep 15 17:21:15 oh and new speakers, these suck Sep 15 17:21:15 what happens when it crashes? Sep 15 17:21:15 You sir, have fucked me up Sep 15 17:21:15 or something like that? Sep 15 17:21:46 well, when a car crashes, airbags deploy. usually. Sep 15 17:22:07 javispedro, qml apps use the same mech as mtf Sep 15 17:22:28 Qt apps are different Sep 15 17:22:28 but cool, it's just a shared pixmap Sep 15 17:22:36 thought it was a status area for every app Sep 15 17:22:56 the procedure to "fetch" it is rather complex though Sep 15 17:23:06 seemingly the root window has a property which is another window which has the pixmap as property Sep 15 17:23:12 RST38h: (broken) ...or the right seat airbag is on babyseat mode Sep 15 17:23:31 DocScrutinizer, doubt it's that Sep 15 17:23:57 given your locale I also doubt it Sep 15 17:24:26 javispedro, so it's handled by the compositor? Sep 15 17:24:51 probably when you open the controller module, you'll find the loose gears of an old wrist watch and nothing else inside Sep 15 17:25:00 umm, is replacing car stereos easy? Sep 15 17:25:07 yup Sep 15 17:25:29 if you got arms with 7 joints Sep 15 17:25:30 MohammadAG: I think it's both systemui and compositor -- systemui owns the second window, compositor owns the root one Sep 15 17:27:53 technically, my fingers have 15 joins, my writst has one, my upper arm has another one, and my shoulder has the final joint Sep 15 17:28:02 so yeah i have 7+ joints :p Sep 15 17:28:29 javispedro: what the hell are you talking bout? MW? Sep 15 17:28:47 no, the harmattan statusbar Sep 15 17:28:52 MEH Sep 15 17:29:00 MohammadAG started! I promised! Sep 15 17:29:13 *promise Sep 15 17:30:49 I love how MW has just a pixmap that can have a second window for system info (read time, date) superimposed Sep 15 17:31:55 quite cheaply done Sep 15 17:31:59 And I'll be damned if a mediaplayer widget displayed on that MW and controlled by at least 4 of the 6 buttons isn't the coolest thing since sliced bread Sep 15 17:32:11 quite cheaply done too. Sep 15 17:32:31 well, is it known how to control harm's media player? Sep 15 17:32:39 (fremantle I know) Sep 15 17:32:43 fsck HARM Sep 15 17:33:13 build it on fremantle, when it works bother to port Sep 15 17:33:26 actually I'm using qt Sep 15 17:33:30 if that aegis coffin hasn't flopped completely until then Sep 15 17:36:02 * javispedro is not so sure about keeping qtgui loaded always as a daemon on fremantle. OTOH, half of the applications already do that on harm.. Sep 15 17:36:59 yeah Sep 15 17:37:12 but harmattan is working in a much larger memory pool Sep 15 17:37:22 + it swaps some to gzipped ram Sep 15 17:38:38 * DocScrutinizer writes an autokick autoresponder on .*[Hh]armattan.* Sep 15 17:38:57 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/15/no_plug_ins_on_windows_eight_browser/ Sep 15 17:39:02 Hey, hey, don't get excited =) Sep 15 17:39:17 harmattanized the dark side of the force is Sep 15 17:39:19 ruskie:intended userbase won't need any Sep 15 17:39:27 hehe Sep 15 17:41:00 RST38h: see how they're being partially serious with their new JS crap Sep 15 17:41:16 actually some particular person made me curse the system architects for no reason, by his proposition that batery savings mode was the method of choice for reducing battery wear of terribly poor written dta traffic hogging apps Sep 15 17:41:29 Ballmer has probably read about all those CEOs crapping on their own companies, Elop, etc. and decided to follow Sep 15 17:41:50 * RST38h can guess who it was Sep 15 17:42:00 javispedro: Nah, I doubt anyone will miss plugins Sep 15 17:42:08 what? Sep 15 17:42:14 javispedro: The last one to go was Flash, and that was mainly for Youtube Sep 15 17:42:24 you're forgetting minigames Sep 15 17:42:25 I already don't use any plugins Sep 15 17:42:31 javispedro: You can now do most of these in HTML5 Sep 15 17:42:51 when I enter a lab room right after dinner virtually every other computer has a flash games website opened =P Sep 15 17:42:56 *lunch Sep 15 17:42:58 javispedro: And if you are going to tell me they will need a rewrite, scroll back to what I said about attention span a couple of hours ago Sep 15 17:43:27 BTW, Ballmer has said something more interesting today Sep 15 17:43:28 but but but, the facebook farm thing! Sep 15 17:43:49 Facebook is full of cattle as it is, does not need games. Sep 15 17:43:51 or is that passé already? Sep 15 17:43:57 fsck flash, fsck JS, back to the basics and shoot all web-designers Sep 15 17:44:07 http://html5games.com/ Sep 15 17:44:41 Here: Sep 15 17:44:52 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/15/windows_phone_disappoints/ Sep 15 17:45:11 either way, they'll eventually allow activex crap for all their real clients Sep 15 17:45:13 and http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/15/ballmer-windows-phones-arent-selling-very-well-but-were-not/ Sep 15 17:45:25 and the only one damaged from this will be, obviously, theora/webm plugins. Sep 15 17:45:27 Google is already allowing activex in chromeOS Sep 15 17:45:30 RST38h: *YAWN* now thats new? Sep 15 17:45:31 calling it "native client" Sep 15 17:45:46 Doc: It is the person saying it which is new Sep 15 17:46:00 nice picture Sep 15 17:46:12 the guy really fits there Sep 15 17:46:23 javispedro: Actually, it looks like there won't be native development neither for WP nor for Win8 Sep 15 17:46:46 javispedro: Microsoft is pushing C# everywhere, so unless you are Google or Adobe, you will not be getting native SDK Sep 15 17:46:59 they're pushing JS for Win8 Sep 15 17:47:52 tbh, I can't wait and see how this entirely UI is done and compare the binaries with the Win7 Media Center executables, and check for matches =) Sep 15 17:48:06 *"entirely new UI" Sep 15 17:49:00 javispedro: reports say that XAML will be preferred api for ui Sep 15 17:49:01 "I won't say I'm not saying I love where we are, but I'm very optimistic to where I think we can be," Ballmer said. WTF?! pardon my french Sep 15 17:49:31