**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 19 02:59:57 2011 Sep 19 06:16:35 MohammadAG, ping Sep 19 07:00:40 has someone used ipv6,,,,, Sep 19 07:02:08 i ping ipv6.google.com ,it response PING ipv6.google.com (2404:6800:8005::67): 56 data bytes Sep 19 07:02:29 ping: sendto: Network is unreachable Sep 19 07:02:34 officially ipv6 isn't supported on the n900 last I heard Sep 19 07:02:43 or maybe I'm mis remembering that bit Sep 19 07:02:44 no clue Sep 19 07:03:07 i install kernel-power Sep 19 07:16:47 moo Sep 19 07:27:50 povbot, well, do you have an ipv6 address? does the gateway route ipv6 trffic? Sep 19 07:27:50 flux: Error: "well," is not a valid command. Sep 19 07:28:02 oh, he's gone :) Sep 19 07:29:25 hehe Sep 19 07:40:14 no surprise we're < 300 here, when internets think they can go down for no reason Sep 19 07:41:00 * DocScrutinizer curses t-com, ZyXEL, Fuji-Sie, and the world Sep 19 07:45:17 and a special curse goes to the inventors of JS and particularly their invention of possibility to build endless loops in JS Sep 19 07:45:57 hehe Sep 19 07:47:05 it's *so nice* when a page like metawatch.com/forum hogs one of your two cores for several days, helps heating the room and makes me always remember the page with loving feelings Sep 19 07:54:12 hi, I am traveling to Rome in a day, which application to get? Sep 19 07:54:24 is the re a bus sceduale application Sep 19 07:55:23 probably asked here alot Sep 19 07:55:46 which gps program to choose? Sep 19 07:55:56 I am trying to get the ovi maps Sep 19 07:56:03 the one that does offline stuff... Sep 19 07:56:59 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MoNav <-- like this? Sep 19 07:58:22 is rome on openstreet? Sep 19 07:58:38 probably Sep 19 07:58:49 I think most of the world is on there Sep 19 07:59:14 ok, I will install it no Sep 19 07:59:16 now Sep 19 07:59:27 hoped to find a bus application for rome Sep 19 07:59:30 there's a webtool so you select the area you want to download Sep 19 07:59:38 and it will generate an offline map for you Sep 19 07:59:56 hmm Sep 19 08:00:00 monav-routing-daemon Sep 19 08:00:03 actually you can download premade offline stuff Sep 19 08:00:10 which is the frontend? Sep 19 08:00:15 monav Sep 19 08:00:46 guess I need to get it from the google code site Sep 19 08:01:12 cityLights, http://monav.openstreetmap.de/installers/monav-0.3-Maemo5.deb Sep 19 08:01:22 and you want this as well: http://monav.openstreetmap.de/mapsets/Italy.zip Sep 19 08:01:37 http://monav.openstreetmap.de/ <_- here for more info Sep 19 08:01:38 sweet! Sep 19 08:01:58 it also explains what you need to setup to make it work Sep 19 08:02:07 I was very happy and impressed with MoNav Sep 19 08:02:32 wow the second one is 1.1G Sep 19 08:02:37 yup Sep 19 08:02:40 good thing I cd to the micro sd Sep 19 08:02:53 it's entire Italy Sep 19 08:03:29 there used to be another program Sep 19 08:03:42 btw, will it run on the N800? Sep 19 08:03:54 this is n900 only build from what I see Sep 19 08:05:01 ppl here used to talk about another navigation program Sep 19 08:05:03 once question about monav, do u get map updates? Sep 19 08:05:09 *one Sep 19 08:05:12 but I guess that is good for me Sep 19 08:05:59 hope the setup is clear in the program Sep 19 08:06:15 will see in an hour after it downloads Sep 19 08:09:06 I'd install marble - never even knew monav had a frontend Sep 19 08:10:03 an own frontend Sep 19 08:10:39 does marble do offlie? Sep 19 08:10:52 marble has some quirks and probably you shouldn't use it for longer than 15min, then close and reopen ;-D Sep 19 08:11:00 marble uses monav Sep 19 08:11:20 among others Sep 19 08:11:24 o Sep 19 08:13:11 iirc monav comes boxed with marble, you don't need to install it separately Sep 19 08:13:34 I see Sep 19 08:13:36 that's why I thought it had no own fronend Sep 19 08:13:51 is there any chance I could buy a N9 there? Sep 19 08:13:57 nfc Sep 19 08:14:35 if you could, you'd get the first "working" nav app by Nokia that runs on a linux Sep 19 08:14:44 needs online though Sep 19 08:15:21 it can't use monav ;-D Sep 19 08:15:47 wish I could fix my N800 there Sep 19 08:15:56 o.O Sep 19 08:16:36 no N800 here Sep 19 08:16:53 I love the camera popout ;-P Sep 19 08:20:29 cityLights: what's wrong with your N800? Sep 19 08:30:50 [09:46:24] it's *so nice* when a page like metawatch.com/forum hogs one of your two cores for several days, helps heating the room and makes me always remember the page with loving feelings <== Clever browsers would have interrupted the script long before Sep 19 08:31:39 I'm not using a "clever browser", I simply curse and possibly nuke "dumb webpages" Sep 19 08:32:11 preferrably together with the moron webdesigners who made it Sep 19 08:32:53 DocScrutinizer: my N800 screen rotates Sep 19 08:33:05 I mean like in the old tv sets Sep 19 08:33:11 and for sure curse JS designers for implementing endless loop constructs - may they burn in hell for that Sep 19 08:33:22 constant picture goes up Sep 19 08:33:27 ouch Sep 19 08:33:54 should be easy to fix Sep 19 08:34:09 probably a cable / connector issue? Sep 19 08:34:36 VSync broken? Sep 19 08:34:45 right Sep 19 08:35:26 if it's not either the SoC or LCD controller chip that blows chunks, then it can't be hard to fix Sep 19 08:36:05 where is the repair center in rome? Sep 19 08:36:14 lol, nfi Sep 19 08:36:41 I'm a bit more north here Sep 19 08:38:54 next time , maybe I visit you Sep 19 08:38:59 maybe fosdem Sep 19 08:39:07 havent been there in a while Sep 19 09:10:29 never expect when having background knowledge on something that the seller doesn't know.. it'll haunt you when the undesired outcome has been revealed. Something I ought to learn when I curiously asked a N900 seller Sep 19 09:25:09 psycho_oreos, ??? Sep 19 09:25:31 that got cut at "when I curiously asked a N900 seller" Sep 19 09:27:17 ruskie, I didn't say anything after that :) I asked the N900 seller on tmo thread which hardware revision he had. I was hoping (literally borderlining to expecting) his to be at least 2204 so that I could go and buy it. Turns out to be revision 2101 Sep 19 09:29:29 what's the significance of that difference? Sep 19 09:34:15 its not publicly documented but I've been preferring the latter revisions as I have read many owners of broken microUSB ports to be 2101 Sep 19 09:36:11 nobody apart from nokia guys would know what the revisions meant.. for the rest of us `normal' people. It may not mean anything that particularly significant unless if one were for instance curious enough to tally up information prior to acquring more N900 Sep 19 09:39:48 psycho_oreos: you also evaluated the ratio between broken usb on 2101 vs 2204 against the ratio of 2101 vs 2204 total out in the field? Sep 19 09:40:30 Doc <== exercises scientifi approach Sep 19 09:40:35 scientific Sep 19 09:41:12 figure: 2101 sold: 500.000, known usb fatalities: 1000; 2204 sold: 2000, known USB fatalities: 600 Sep 19 09:41:20 DocScrutinizer, no I've only been tallying up all the revision numbers reported to have USB issues, came out that 2101 was reported the most. None have reported USB issues with 2204 or they didn't mention which revision they have Sep 19 09:41:21 RST38h: <== ZX Spectrum? Sep 19 09:43:13 I can't imagine the USB issue being as bad as overclocking with maybe only 2000 or so N900 capable of overclocking and the others would suffer detrimental issues :) Sep 19 09:43:36 maybe the USB fatalities are not bound to hw-rev at all? Maybe only those manufactured in korea have issues with USB SMT while those made in e.g Hungary never had any issue, regardless of hw-rev? Sep 19 09:43:47 but.. I don't know the actual sums, those numbers are just `figuratively' speaking Sep 19 09:44:48 its hard to say but I'm going by solid facts considering I have two N900, one already really old and never had microUSB issue as big as having it fallen out. Both are 2204 Sep 19 09:45:27 two 2101s, no problems Sep 19 09:46:20 you could even probably argue those summit ones never had any issues yet there probably would be heaps of issues that people just didn't want to report it because they knew it was a pre-production device :p Sep 19 09:47:43 and the odds are stacked high, I somewhat would personally prefer revision 2204 than having to deal with 2101's `later found out' USB problem and requiring fix Sep 19 09:48:38 Texrat reported his preproduction device's USB fell out Sep 19 09:48:44 two 2101s, no problems either Sep 19 09:49:52 yeah there was a person reporting his 2101's USB never fell out after having it exposed to being pulled out/plugged back in 3-4 times each day. That was the same thread that I informed a potential buyer that maybe he should check which revision the seller actually has Sep 19 09:51:35 lemme ask you guys conversely on the same notion of thought if you were in my shoes. Lets say your revision 2101 never had any issues, but you have enough money (just) to buy N900, there's a person selling his N900. You asked which revision he has and he informs you he has e.g. 1803. Would you still buy it? Sep 19 09:52:18 s/buy N900/buy yet another N900/ Sep 19 09:52:18 psycho_oreos meant: lemme ask you guys conversely on the same notion of thought if you were in my shoes. Lets say your revision 2101 never had any issues, but you have enough money (just) to buy yet another N900, there's a person selling his N900. You asked which revision he... Sep 19 09:52:21 funny detail: 1, N900: Sep 19 09:52:29 BogoMIPS : 499.92 Sep 19 09:52:31 Features : swp half fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 Sep 19 09:52:52 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/19/verity_stob_september_shorts/ <-- lol Sep 19 09:53:00 hmm features list is different compared to mine with 2203 Sep 19 09:53:07 2. N900 (same hw-rev, same processor rev): Sep 19 09:53:10 BogoMIPS : 249.96 Sep 19 09:53:12 Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv3 Sep 19 09:53:30 fun Sep 19 09:53:37 maybe it's what's enabled or something? Sep 19 09:53:42 and at what freq its running? Sep 19 09:54:19 same kernel I presume? Sep 19 09:54:46 not same kernel, of course ;-D Sep 19 09:55:33 2nd is an ancient h-e-n enabled PK-v44 or sth, 1st is recent stock kernel Sep 19 09:56:13 I meant same kernel version.. I'm guessing thumbee features seems to have appeared in latter versions of kernel.. there was a tmo thread about it at one stage. I think Hurrian talked about it Sep 19 09:56:48 I have one on pk48 and the other on pk47, both have the same feature list Sep 19 09:57:12 and does it look like my 1st or my 2nd one? Sep 19 09:57:21 both looks like your second one Sep 19 09:57:29 duh Sep 19 09:57:43 :) so its kernel version that makes the difference so far Sep 19 09:57:44 yeah, ok. that's a PK feature then Sep 19 09:59:18 probably PK enables thumb and thumbee Sep 19 09:59:43 nfc how the lower bogomips are caused Sep 19 10:00:56 for those who like to join in on the game: cat /proc/cpuinfo Sep 19 10:00:57 thumb and thumbee are enabled by default? Sep 19 10:01:54 not on my PR1.3 CSSU device obviously Sep 19 10:02:28 I thought thumb2 causes crashes though Sep 19 10:07:07 cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -e 'Bogo\|Feat\|Rev'; sysinfo-tool -g /device/sw-release-ver; uname -a Sep 19 10:08:16 IroN900:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -e 'Bogo\|Feat\|Rev'; sysinfo-tool -g /device/sw-release-ver; uname -a Sep 19 10:08:18 BogoMIPS : 499.92 Sep 19 10:08:19 Features : swp half fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 Sep 19 10:08:21 Revision : 2101 Sep 19 10:08:22 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 Sep 19 10:08:24 Linux IroN900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux Sep 19 10:08:41 . Sep 19 10:08:49 t900:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -e 'Bogo\|Feat\|Rev'; sysinfo-tool -g /device/sw-release-ver; uname -a Sep 19 10:08:51 BogoMIPS : 249.96 Sep 19 10:08:52 Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv3 Sep 19 10:08:54 Revision : 2101 Sep 19 10:08:55 RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_MR0 Sep 19 10:08:57 Linux t900 2.6.28.10power46 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 12 03:11:24 EET 2010 armv7l unknown Sep 19 10:11:40 any apache experts? Sep 19 10:11:51 when I put up an mp3 or avi file it says forbidden Sep 19 10:11:52 *cough* Sep 19 10:12:08 MohammadAG: chmod? Sep 19 10:12:19 chmod what? Sep 19 10:12:34 MohammadAG: Make sure everyone can read the file? Sep 19 10:12:35 right now it's -rwxr-x--- Sep 19 10:12:44 hah Sep 19 10:12:48 a+r Sep 19 10:12:52 chmod o+r Sep 19 10:14:01 thanks Sep 19 10:14:05 np Sep 19 10:14:29 chmod 764 Sep 19 10:14:47 what does that mean btw? Sep 19 10:14:58 ? Sep 19 10:14:59 MohammadAG: Count the bits :) Sep 19 10:15:15 421421421 Sep 19 10:15:46 4 for read, 2 for write and 1 for execute. They are octal bits fyi Sep 19 10:15:47 rwx == 111 == 1+2+4 == 7 Sep 19 10:15:49 ugo Sep 19 10:16:19 still don't get it :p Sep 19 10:16:29 111b Sep 19 10:16:55 user: r(4) + w(2) + x(1) = 7 Sep 19 10:17:19 group 4 + 1 Sep 19 10:17:36 others: nuttin = 0 Sep 19 10:17:54 -rwxr-x--- = 750 Sep 19 10:18:17 is there a way to show symlinks in the dir listing? Sep 19 10:18:18 the first dash is usually for special bits, like sticky usually Sep 19 10:18:26 find -type l Sep 19 10:18:26 user=7 group=5 others=0 Sep 19 10:19:03 (special bits) also link, dir, etc Sep 19 10:19:17 block/char device Sep 19 10:19:24 or user=(read + write + execute or 4+2+1=7), group=(read + execute or 4+0+1=5), others=( or 0+0+0=0) Sep 19 10:19:35 yup Sep 19 10:20:35 DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/tad16Qx2 <--- fyi about that N900 features comparison + firmware version + uname -a (well I added one more extra command into the mix :)) Sep 19 10:20:59 MohammadAG, did you try that? find -type l Sep 19 10:21:20 yes Sep 19 10:21:32 it shows my symlinks Sep 19 10:21:58 hah looks like I lied :x I have both on pk48. I guess I upgraded because of the scare with BME issue or whatever it was Sep 19 10:22:16 was that what you wanted though? Sep 19 10:22:28 I wanted my symlinks to show in apache's dir listing Sep 19 10:22:49 I think find may recursively show symlinks if there's subdirectory under the parent directory where you issued find Sep 19 10:22:50 and be able to download them from another device on the network Sep 19 10:23:04 ahh Sep 19 10:23:48 I'm definitely not an apache expert (in fact my skills has quickly dulled over the years.. these days I probably look at xampp instead) Sep 19 10:24:14 symlinks show like normal files in apache dir Sep 19 10:24:28 usually *-latest is a symlink Sep 19 10:24:59 but they don't Sep 19 10:25:06 chmod ;-) Sep 19 10:26:33 MohammadAG: anyway the file that the symlink points to must be readable by apache as well Sep 19 10:26:56 apache's running as root Sep 19 10:27:07 that's meaning nothing Sep 19 10:27:20 MohammadAG: FollowSymLinks in part of your config Sep 19 10:27:27 apache mustn't leave the specified dirs Sep 19 10:27:45 X-Fade, oh, I have that in .htaccess Sep 19 10:28:00 root@mohammad-i5laptop:/var/www# cat .htaccess Sep 19 10:28:03 Options +FollowSymLinks Sep 19 10:28:12 MohammadAG: Well, then you need to make sure you are allowed to do that :) And if the path is correct. Sep 19 10:28:36 X-Fade, this is all on my laptop P Sep 19 10:29:01 MohammadAG: You need the tags surrounding it. Sep 19 10:29:35 http://mohammadag.org/../../../../../../etc/shadow Sep 19 10:29:56 beware Sep 19 10:30:03 Oh .htaccess. Then make sure it gets used. Can also a rights issue on that file. Sep 19 10:32:43 may I add that the symlink points to a file on an NTFS filesystem Sep 19 10:32:55 *cough* Sep 19 10:33:03 gets better and better ;-D Sep 19 10:34:11 may I suggest you try it with a test file in your ~ first, point to that and see if the link works for that Sep 19 10:43:19 symlink to ntfs, craziness ftw Sep 19 10:48:11 MohammadAG: http://superuser.com/questions/244245/how-do-i-get-apache-to-follow-symlinks Sep 19 10:48:34 seems to have some useful comments Sep 19 12:29:22 hey guys, anyone around has a Ffmpeg mp3 converter/extractor? Sep 19 12:29:50 any fremantle deb ? Sep 19 12:30:08 erm... you mean convert from mp3 to wav or something? Sep 19 12:30:40 I'd like to extract acc stream from youtube mp4 and convert it Sep 19 12:31:04 in mp3, because mediaPlayer dont wanna be fed with aac Sep 19 12:31:43 use youtube-dl ? it has an option for extracting audio... though not sure into what and how Sep 19 12:32:05 <_berto_> mplayer can do the work Sep 19 12:46:48 youtube-dl's audio-extracting option just assumes the system in question has the ffmpeg/ffprobe binaries available, then calls those to extract the audio stream and optionally convert it. Sep 19 12:52:38 even though libfaad is present ffmpeg doesnt seem to be able to load it at run time or somehow Sep 19 13:06:00 Meanwhile: Wealthy Americans Turning To Europe For Medical Treatment Sep 19 14:49:41 Did nobody mention http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ yet? Sep 19 14:50:18 Yaarrrr! Sep 19 14:51:19 Thar be a new feermwaaar for yer N950 Sep 19 14:51:20 oops Sep 19 14:51:40 Who made the irc chatter app? Venemo? Sep 19 14:52:28 mece: me and Venemo yes Sep 19 15:10:15 Avast, MohammadAG, ye mutinous galley slave if that be a lie it's to the plank with ye! Sep 19 15:14:15 javispedro, http://twitter.com/#!/ozetadev/status/115602190785187840 Sep 19 15:15:29 pft. Sep 19 15:16:25 I wonder why he mentioned that.. Sep 19 15:18:13 Silly Sep 19 15:43:39 Ubuntu 11.04 64-bit and planning to flash rootfs on N900. Should I install flasher_3.11.5_amd64.deb (description says it's for Harmattan) - it's then only 64-bit available. Or go with maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz ? Sep 19 15:44:42 ah, If you are using 64-bit Linux, you'll need to force installation as follows: Sep 19 15:44:53 so I'll go with 32-bit flasher-3.5.deb Sep 19 15:47:17 GeneralAntilles, javispedro cause when he said MOSLO wasn't reality Sep 19 18:07:25 ping Venemo Sep 19 18:08:26 pong thopiekar Sep 19 18:33:25 ale152: Did you get gphoto to work? Sep 19 19:01:42 Anybody got a list of canned vibra patterns? Sep 19 19:05:31 ? Sep 19 19:05:51 GeneralAntilles: I have no idea what that means :) Sep 19 19:05:59 For mce.ini Sep 19 19:06:18 A list of patterns people have already worked out so I don't have to experiment with them for 30 minutes. Sep 19 19:10:31 Ah, in that case: can't help you. Never messed with it. Sep 19 19:43:46 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Sep 19 20:10:38 hello ErwinJunge! Sep 19 20:10:45 no, o didn't :( Sep 19 20:10:47 ale152: hi :) Sep 19 20:10:57 np, was just wondering Sep 19 20:11:00 it gave me some errors like "permission denied" Sep 19 20:11:21 oh, so you did try but it didn't work Sep 19 20:11:23 :( Sep 19 20:11:46 yes Sep 19 20:13:28 tomorrow i have an exam, after that i'll try again :D Sep 19 20:13:46 *i'm haveing Sep 19 21:10:39 ale152: Seems to run here (I'm getting the usage instructions for gphoto2 by running gphoto2) Sep 19 21:11:21 All I did (apart from copying the stuff) was linking libgphoto2 and libgphoto2_port to /usr/lib Sep 19 21:11:39 Apparently /usr/local/lib is not in the library path... Sep 19 21:12:32 Did you try to run it with an actually connected camera? Since that's a bit hard for me to test atm. Did you get the usage instructions by running gphoto2? Sep 19 21:15:26 recompile with --prefix=/usr Sep 19 21:24:04 MohammadAG: the ln thing makes it work, might fix it later :) A better fix would be to put /usr/local/lib in the library path btw. Is that fixable? Sep 19 21:29:28 I'm off to bed, but will read the logs later for your answer :) Byebye Sep 19 21:33:52 LD_LIBRARY_PATH I guess Sep 20 02:14:06 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/19/beast_exploits_paypal_ssl/ Sep 20 02:14:21 ^ generic SSL crack, not PayPal-specific Sep 20 02:16:25 diginotar? Sep 20 02:16:51 Oh dear Sep 20 02:18:40 In principle, the JS can be blocked 'trivally' in a browser patch I suspect Sep 20 02:20:21 hmm Sep 20 02:26:48 wtf @ that article luke-jr :i Sep 20 02:27:54 well, I presume the solution is to force TLS 1.1+ Sep 20 02:27:58 and everyone upgrades Sep 20 02:28:24 wonder if this is also due to a bug not that long ago ~6 months ago Sep 20 02:28:34 which had somewhat similar signature Sep 20 02:28:50 was something that allowed man in the middle on ssl Sep 20 02:31:24 I'm unsure on the attack Sep 20 02:31:36 Is it the javascript sends lots and lots of packets Sep 20 02:31:39 Or is it onw Sep 20 02:31:40 e Sep 20 02:32:10 should read the article more in detail Sep 20 02:32:27 but just got up from a 3h sleep ... and feeling a bit ill :( Sep 20 02:32:48 googling for quick fixes for throat soar :p Sep 20 02:32:59 doctor google should have something! :p Sep 20 02:35:56 Gh0sty: Gargle with some whiskey. Sep 20 02:36:25 Honey and lemon may work Sep 20 02:36:43 yeah I read a lot of lemon and honey Sep 20 02:36:58 and also salt in some water could help Sep 20 02:37:08 not sure about the whiskey though Sep 20 02:37:14 its 4h30 in the morning here Sep 20 02:37:25 Only 3:30 here Sep 20 02:37:25 starting the day with a whiskey ... might not be such a good idea :p Sep 20 02:37:35 you guys never sleep? :p Sep 20 02:37:43 or still awake? Sep 20 02:38:03 or you are vampires: only sleep while there is sun ;) Sep 20 02:38:29 I've failed at sleep so far **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 20 02:59:56 2011