**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 24 02:59:57 2011 Sep 24 03:44:17 wow Sep 24 03:44:21 he is getting serious about it Sep 24 03:44:27 https://picasaweb.google.com/107020777578949615250/Random#5655765772150985250 Sep 24 03:44:29 LOL Sep 24 03:44:39 wish i had that sort of shit in my house :) Sep 24 03:48:24 Decapping a IC? Sep 24 03:48:58 ? Sep 24 03:49:13 he is trying to figure out the best way to get a new usb port on there Sep 24 03:49:27 he said the one i got from digikey is too tall by 1mm Sep 24 03:49:35 and he is going to order the "right" one on monday Sep 24 03:50:51 ah Sep 24 03:51:36 he said the design sucks heehehe Sep 24 03:51:40 nokia fail Sep 24 03:51:46 there is 0 extra space for it Sep 24 03:52:32 he was going to use solder paste on the pads and use hot air Sep 24 05:18:12 hi Sep 24 08:23:20 why does n900 sometimes reboot instead of turning off when I choose "switch off"? Sep 24 08:25:47 the UI was lagging for some seconds after unlocking it so I thought I'd reboot it since it helps with that (for a couple of days at least ;)), but when I switched it off, it booted and showed the dim nokia logo and then after a while showed the dots and the keycode prompt Sep 24 08:26:30 in this case it didn't matter but I just feel a bit uneasy about the inconsistency Sep 24 08:27:10 (and was wondering if the UI thing had something to do with it) Sep 24 08:29:59 it will automatically reboot if it hangs for too long Sep 24 08:42:45 hi. Is someone using Facebook account in Contacts? It is not possible to go online for me... Sep 24 08:43:06 maemo5 Sep 24 08:44:15 try jabber ... chat.facebook.com Sep 24 08:44:38 * Sicelo doesn't have facebook account to test Sep 24 08:47:54 ShadowJK, ok, that makes sense then Sep 24 08:49:09 Someone said facebook changed stuff Sep 24 09:36:53 Shadow: "changed stuff" ? Will be Contacts also changed? Sep 24 09:49:03 no. it was just a few details on login. jabber should be ok Sep 24 13:14:22 javispedro: moo Sep 24 13:14:29 mooh. Sep 24 13:19:39 moooh Sep 24 13:25:15 ~pwned Sep 24 13:25:15 extra, extra, read all about it, pwned is like owned, but better. Sep 24 18:06:11 does anyone know how to fix the sign-in issue for yahoo on n900 in Conversations with the pidgin protocols installed? signing into yahoo doesn't work Sep 24 18:41:15 found the fix: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=970716&postcount=18 Sep 24 19:32:26 hi all Sep 24 19:32:52 anybody hanging outthere who knows sysparts/cgroups? Sep 24 19:44:15 @javispedro:congrats for your post about aegis on N9/950 Sep 24 19:45:15 hah Sep 24 19:46:33 I am currently dealing for other 2 spare N900 Sep 24 19:46:36 :D Sep 24 20:11:48 javispedro: link? Sep 24 20:12:20 jacekowski: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575 Sep 24 20:16:20 i think i'll stay with my n8 then Sep 24 20:16:23 and try to hack this Sep 24 20:16:35 OMG you brought djszapi guy out of whatever hole he has been hibernating in! Sep 24 20:18:24 javispedro: you are screwed now. Sep 24 20:18:38 RST38h: mostly Sep 24 20:18:47 javispedro: he won't let go. will have to shoot him or something. Sep 24 20:26:24 javispedro: I've seen dmesg and find mentioned on in the thread already, how much more of the usual "power commands" i use daily on my n900 are affected in general? Sep 24 20:26:42 "power commands" as in above windoze level ;) Sep 24 20:26:46 you tell me Sep 24 20:27:00 I've been thinking about making a list with what aegis stock config forbids Sep 24 20:27:26 everything kernel related: dmesg, all mounts, inserting modules, nfs, cifs, ntp, rdate, .. Sep 24 20:27:37 aebis will forbit making that list :-) Sep 24 20:32:35 vpn Sep 24 20:35:15 probably also forbids all bluetooth profiles not supported by the OS.. keyboards, mice.. bluetooth tethering (maybe N9 as modem would be allowed but not other way around), etc Sep 24 20:36:00 so in other words, if I want to use the n9 like the n900 I have to flash meegoCE? Sep 24 20:36:09 yes Sep 24 20:36:30 if you need a smartphone you're better off staying with N900 ;-) Sep 24 20:38:15 for the time being, that is.. Sep 24 20:38:24 thb even if harmattan is that much pita I'd still get it just for the sake of a proper meegoCE kernel that lets me do what I want todo Sep 24 20:39:48 though harmattan os probably wont run on meegoce kernel? Sep 24 20:41:26 if we were able to run it on a kernel that only differs in a single byte, the problem would be gone Sep 24 20:42:12 actually about that, there's a lot of "custom kernel" talk on the thread but as far as I've read it it's still impossible to actually run your own kernel Sep 24 20:46:30 merlin1991: yeah Sep 24 20:48:15 and some incompetent idiotic management at Nokia thinks this is the way things should be, so unless the engineers find a way (and we all are smart on how we communicate about it) this won't probably ever change Sep 24 20:48:56 rsp won't last for >2..4 weeks Sep 24 20:50:44 invoking the legalese is virtually a call to us to grab the torches and pitchforks. and next post already brings the torches Sep 24 20:57:27 o hi Sep 24 20:57:39 anybody have problems with xmpp voice connections? Sep 24 20:57:46 it suddenly stopped working for me Sep 24 20:58:39 other side can hear me, but i don't hear anything Sep 24 20:59:33 and it keeps saying "connecting", occasionally showing a "connected 0:15..." or so, but then it switches back to connecting Sep 24 21:01:42 quite common problem with NAT Sep 24 21:01:50 i thought so too Sep 24 21:01:58 but even with a public IP it doesn't work Sep 24 21:01:59 inbound datastreams fail Sep 24 21:02:23 although a firewall might have been in place Sep 24 21:02:24 even public ips can have nat infront Sep 24 21:02:33 my cellco has that infact Sep 24 21:02:39 public IP behind a NAT? or plain direct net access? Sep 24 21:02:48 what does it translate then to? Sep 24 21:02:53 no clue Sep 24 21:03:00 ok Sep 24 21:03:00 but that's the info I got from them Sep 24 21:03:06 their tech people at that Sep 24 21:03:07 well, the odd thing is that it used to work Sep 24 21:03:13 and suddenly it doesn't anymore Sep 24 21:03:18 on different networks Sep 24 21:03:25 when I was figuring out why stuff worked on one sime but not on the other Sep 24 21:03:48 turned out they had something setup wrong on the one that was working(i.e. inbound connections worked) Sep 24 21:04:22 gmail<>gmail seems to work Sep 24 21:04:53 could you by any chance try SIP Sep 24 21:05:06 last I checked jingle worked with sip Sep 24 21:05:30 nfc what jingle is and how that's related Sep 24 21:05:31 sip works Sep 24 21:05:34 jingle is just used to setup the session Sep 24 21:05:47 DocScrutinizer, jingle is the stuff that is used to do voice chat on xmpp Sep 24 21:05:49 jingle is the xmpp protocol i think Sep 24 21:05:57 xmpp protocol is the xmpp protocol Sep 24 21:06:10 orly? Sep 24 21:06:20 it setups an out-of-band channel to chat Sep 24 21:06:30 for me SIP is SIP Sep 24 21:06:42 https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Jingle_(protocol) Sep 24 21:06:44 or Sep 24 21:06:48 ~rfc SIP Sep 24 21:06:52 yes, SIP != jingle == xmpp voice Sep 24 21:06:56 sip works without problems Sep 24 21:07:13 infobot: ping Sep 24 21:07:13 ~pong Sep 24 21:07:32 corecode, voice or video or a lot of other things infact ;) Sep 24 21:07:41 yes Sep 24 21:07:56 ~literal rfc Sep 24 21:07:56 RemoteVNC - a remote desktop application, based on libjingle, which uses Jingle for screen sharing. <-- example Sep 24 21:08:12 ~factinfo rfc Sep 24 21:08:12 DocScrutinizer: there's no such factoid as rfc Sep 24 21:08:22 o.O Sep 24 21:08:39 but I thought the voice channels jingle setup were the same as sip sets up Sep 24 21:08:54 it's just what sets it up that's different Sep 24 21:09:23 i don't think there is STUN for jingle, works somehow differently Sep 24 21:09:28 ICE Sep 24 21:09:46 still uses RTP though Sep 24 21:10:19 SIP *is* about setup, the transport is usually RTP Sep 24 21:10:22 i wonder how i could debug this Sep 24 21:10:27 or rather, fix Sep 24 21:10:38 DocScrutinizer, jingle is about setup as well Sep 24 21:10:51 so jingle != SIP Sep 24 21:11:02 same job, different protocol Sep 24 21:11:03 or jingle == SIP Sep 24 21:11:16 anyways Sep 24 21:11:21 but never jingle *uses* sip Sep 24 21:11:28 yeah Sep 24 21:11:29 thanks, sad that you don't know Sep 24 21:13:10 ~aegis Sep 24 21:13:11 extra, extra, read all about it, aegis is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or ... Sep 24 21:20:18 dang Sep 24 21:20:21 ~aegis Sep 24 21:20:21 i heard aegis is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif Sep 24 21:21:23 infobot: no, aegis is aegis: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ Sep 24 21:21:23 DocScrutinizer: okay Sep 24 21:21:24 ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif Sep 24 21:21:44 damn Sep 24 21:23:08 ~aegis Sep 24 21:23:08 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif Sep 24 21:24:20 I believe that should read "third party software written by vendors that hate and distrust their customers, preemptively believing them to be criminials" Sep 24 21:28:34 SpeedEvil: http://gmr.osmocom.org/trac/ Sep 24 21:29:03 Oooh! Sep 24 21:29:04 neat Sep 24 21:29:55 yeah, now we're starting the next poker game, this time with really huge players Sep 24 21:30:54 plus I gather we won't get a Siemens 2W micro-BTS in orbit, used for a few hundered bucks, so we need to use their infra Sep 24 21:31:35 I'm just happy it's not iridium ;-P Sep 24 21:32:16 otherwise the 3 letter agencies were even more concerned about what we're doing Sep 24 21:35:23 Well - you get the handsets moderately cheap Sep 24 21:35:47 sure, but you hardly can emulate a "BTS" Sep 24 21:36:10 well, actually you can Sep 24 21:36:16 as it's almost GSM Sep 24 21:36:47 but then again, the position of the one real "BTS" is rather exclusive and unique Sep 24 21:37:26 and the real fun is starting on messing with that one Sep 24 21:38:43 thuraya also has really competitive minute plans Sep 24 21:39:28 if it wasn't for the completely missing coverage indoors, it'd actually be an alternative to plain old GSM Sep 24 21:40:13 Hi DocScrutinizer, my N900 should be arriving next week hopefully :D Sep 24 21:40:33 nice :-) Sep 24 21:40:44 welcome to the club :-) Sep 24 21:40:49 heh Sep 24 21:41:38 lemme give you an URL so you can't say nobody toldya Sep 24 21:41:42 ~usbfix Sep 24 21:41:42 methinks usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Sep 24 21:42:09 emphasis on "before it breaks" here Sep 24 21:42:15 hmmm Sep 24 21:42:48 HyperSnyper: where did you get it? Sep 24 21:42:56 ebay.co.uk Sep 24 21:44:50 is the usb really that sketchy ? Sep 24 21:45:08 not done soldering since leaving college Sep 24 21:45:16 n that was a fair while ago Sep 24 21:45:17 heh Sep 24 21:46:39 well, I think jacekowski and SpeedEvil both had issues with USB coming off, and they are both no hulks regarding handling hw Sep 24 21:47:01 i'm sticking with my N8 Sep 24 21:47:12 it lasts 3 days on single charge Sep 24 21:47:19 otoh I got 2 devices here, working since 2 years and >1 year, with daily plug rounds Sep 24 21:47:27 my phone screen just went inresponsive Sep 24 21:47:35 DocScrutinizer: I dropped mine at the absolute worst angle 1.5m Sep 24 21:47:37 and then i locked it, and unlocking won't bring it back on Sep 24 21:47:38 So... Sep 24 21:47:45 With the USB lead in Sep 24 21:47:50 and it seems to work faster than N900 Sep 24 21:48:04 the phone is still running though Sep 24 21:48:07 jacekowski: not faster, just semplir Sep 24 21:48:11 simpler* Sep 24 21:48:19 tbh. there is nothing bad i can say about this phone Sep 24 21:48:44 bindi: what means irresponsive? Sep 24 21:48:58 DocScrutinizer: i was just messing with terminal, and then touch screen didnt work anymore Sep 24 21:49:08 so i locked it, and unlocked.. wouldnt come back on Sep 24 21:49:09 looked at the N8 abit jacekowski but just not really what i wanted Sep 24 21:49:10 hmm Sep 24 21:49:24 i just got an email, and the led is flashing about that Sep 24 21:49:28 bindi: you had a browser window open? Sep 24 21:49:30 and i'm now ssh'd in Sep 24 21:49:32 hmm no Sep 24 21:49:40 nothing but terminal Sep 24 21:49:58 holding the power button does nothing either Sep 24 21:49:59 strange, usually this is a result of device in swaphell Sep 24 21:50:16 uhh Sep 24 21:50:20 see what dmesg says Sep 24 21:50:29 http://pastebin.com/7bPSTpMU Sep 24 21:50:33 nothing out of the ordinary there Sep 24 21:51:23 hmm yeah Sep 24 21:51:36 http://pastebin.com/aT9vF7iV Sep 24 21:51:56 oh Sep 24 21:52:05 I suggest you make sure the device will come back up and even connect to wifi and start sshd without any user interaction, then reboot Sep 24 21:52:06 now the screen came on Sep 24 21:52:20 DocScrutinizer: i wouldn't say simpler Sep 24 21:52:26 any reason why it just started working? Sep 24 21:52:36 DocScrutinizer: apps take less time to start Sep 24 21:52:40 DocScrutinizer: things like that Sep 24 21:52:45 DocScrutinizer: and there is no swap problem Sep 24 21:53:06 bindi: trackerd finished indexing? Sep 24 21:53:15 how do I know? :p Sep 24 21:53:18 i disabled it on battery Sep 24 21:53:20 top Sep 24 21:53:45 uh huh what should i be looking for Sep 24 21:53:58 jacekowski: (swap) obviously :-P Sep 24 21:54:33 bindi: well, not that it works again, it's hard to do "post mortem" forensics Sep 24 21:54:41 s/not/now/ Sep 24 21:54:42 should've checked top earlier Sep 24 21:54:42 DocScrutinizer meant: bindi: well, now that it works again, it's hard to do "post mortem" forensics Sep 24 21:54:47 wat Sep 24 21:54:50 oh Sep 24 21:55:18 or simply "you should've checked top earlier" ;-) Sep 24 21:55:34 :( Sep 24 21:56:35 maybe you did sth on shell that caused some heavy cpu or IO load? Sep 24 21:56:50 nope Sep 24 21:57:01 opened terminal, ls *.py, wrote ./latitude and was about to press tab and it didnt work Sep 24 21:57:33 hmm Sep 24 21:57:37 no idea Sep 24 21:58:24 I just connected it to wlan so could be mail checker Sep 24 21:58:36 maybe some ping floding or other "DoS attack" via connection to internet? Sep 24 21:59:23 we'll probably never know :[ Sep 24 21:59:29 is there any decent GPS Mapping software for N900 at the moment DocScrutinizer Sep 24 21:59:40 HyperSnyper: What do you mean by gps mapping? Sep 24 21:59:41 or mail checker trying to find the 5 new mails on a pop3 account with 5GB of read mails Sep 24 21:59:42 all reviews i read seem to have very different opinions Sep 24 21:59:44 sygic is half decent Sep 24 21:59:53 osm2go Sep 24 22:00:05 gps navigatiion Sep 24 22:00:12 sygic is half decent Sep 24 22:00:47 SpeedEvil how much b/w does it use ? Sep 24 22:00:55 HyperSnyper: Oh - I misread Sep 24 22:01:05 It's not a routefinder Sep 24 22:01:11 It's a map editor Sep 24 22:01:14 oh Sep 24 22:01:40 check mappero and marble Sep 24 22:03:51 I love the spam on http://talk.maemo.org; lets me know what sports are on Sep 24 22:04:59 little did I know my very own thread is getting all fired up :) Sep 24 22:08:52 The amount of spam on tmo sure is amazing. Sep 24 22:32:59 from football to boxing Sep 24 22:34:31 I think the spammers are getting smarter now, they realise that the mods at this time is asleep (mostly because they are all US based) so they decided to spam at this time to make the most of their point Sep 24 23:46:54 n900 is "down" after a failed upgrade with apt-get :$ and i need a way to backup its contents before reflashing it .. i can get it into Nokia Firmware Upgrade Mode but i dont know how to mount its internal storage :/ (cant open the phone) Sep 24 23:46:58 any idea? Sep 24 23:48:41 you don't have backup menu? Sep 24 23:48:46 err backupmenu Sep 24 23:49:50 tzorvas: no way, except rescue-os on a uSD Sep 24 23:50:41 i want back my contaaaaaaacts :'( i should find a way :$ Sep 24 23:51:01 you won't lose your contacts if you flash the fiasco/combined firmware however Sep 24 23:52:49 psycho_oreos: hm.. http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_only_the_kernel_from_a_FIASCO_image_.28expert_topic.21.29 ? Sep 24 23:53:40 tzorvas, no not flashing just the kernel, flashing the whole rootfs Sep 24 23:54:59 if i flash the whole rootfs won't i loose my contacts that are stored inside internal storage (eMMC) ? Sep 24 23:55:38 your contacts are stored in eMMC which lives on a separate memory chip and is not part of rootfs Sep 24 23:55:54 it gets mounted but it does not physically reside on the same memory chip Sep 24 23:59:31 psycho_oreos: can you please point me to the right instructions set? Sep 25 00:03:56 tzorvas, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Console_with_Flasher-3.5 Sep 25 00:05:59 so with sudo /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 -F -f -R i won't flash emmc, right? Sep 25 00:06:36 you still need to provide it with an actual firmware image and it all depends on which firmware image you get Sep 25 00:06:48 the ones clearly labelled eMMC will overwrite your eMMC Sep 25 00:07:45 is this right? Sep 25 00:07:45 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin200174197PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 Sep 25 00:08:00 I guess so, yes Sep 25 00:08:20 there is also an option for flasher Sep 25 00:08:54 --flash-only and i can set, nolo/kernel/initfs/rootfs Sep 25 00:09:14 you were told to flash the *entire* rootfs Sep 25 00:09:55 if you want to be ignorant and do whatever you want to make it work, its up to you. I've made it clear that you *should* flash the entire *rootfs* Sep 25 00:23:32 psycho_oreos: it has all contacts :D Sep 25 00:23:53 thanks for your help.. Sep 25 00:24:27 apt-get upgrade is dangerous, good idea to make backups first :/ Sep 25 00:24:30 Rootfs has no contacts Sep 25 00:24:36 contacts are in /home Sep 25 00:24:52 and that was all previously covered Sep 25 00:25:04 ShadowJK: the best solutions was to backup, keep it and reflash it so i can update to latest CSSU firmware Sep 25 00:25:22 the problem was that.. i wasnt able to update in latest CSSU with OTA Sep 25 00:25:24 CSSU doesn't provide firmwares Sep 25 00:27:30 CSSU isnt updating N900? i was able to do backup but it was asking for plug it in PC and use pc suite for the update.. Sep 25 00:27:59 CSSU only provides updates, they do not release firmwares like nokia does Sep 25 00:29:02 DocScrutinizer you about, ok to pm ? Sep 25 00:29:28 yes but the process is pretty much the same.. backup -> update etc.. i didn't want to confuse CSSU with nokia firmware updates sorry. Sep 25 00:31:12 and that's only if you used HAM (Hildon Application Manager) Sep 25 00:31:40 any other suggestion instead of ham? Sep 25 00:32:08 the other alternatives are not for beginners Sep 25 00:34:31 whatever Sep 25 00:38:06 in fact CSSU itself is not really recommended for the faint at heart :p without backups one could be at a detrimental loss Sep 25 00:38:44 and looks like the mods are on the tmo, cleaning out those spams Sep 25 00:39:59 thankfully i did backup before doing apt-get dist-upgrade Sep 25 00:40:43 not when you were panicking a moment ago Sep 25 00:42:42 well i will not do this again for sure and i will sacrifice 20 more minutes instead of just doing risky things and having the risk of a heart attack :$ Sep 25 00:43:26 Wish I could find a headset that is clip on Sep 25 00:45:41 `clip' on? Sep 25 00:46:42 yeah, like around the back of the ear so it doesn't fall out Sep 25 00:47:36 hmm wired? I'm sure there's a fair few Sep 25 00:47:48 wired would be ideal Sep 25 00:47:53 better security Sep 25 00:48:03 I looked for a long time, couldn't find any Sep 25 00:50:41 http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Reviews/Accessories/R3K9Q9H4 <--- this? :D Sep 25 00:51:07 haha Sep 25 00:51:11 wtf, those are big ass headphones Sep 25 00:51:37 this is not wired but weird for n900 headphones :P Sep 25 00:52:07 I want something with a mic for talking on the phone... a "headset" not "headphones" Sep 25 00:52:47 fyi that does have mic apparently, its probably built inside the headset.. that's why its deemed as headset not headphone Sep 25 00:53:19 I need something I can ride in the car with, run around with, etc Sep 25 00:53:20 and as for weird terms, its not as weird as BH-905 :p they don't cover your ear but go ontop of your ear Sep 25 00:53:34 just not earbud Sep 25 00:53:51 yeah, that would suck Sep 25 00:53:57 being on top of the ear Sep 25 00:54:04 I have a nice pair of audio technica cans Sep 25 00:54:46 << sony mdr-7503 cans :) Sep 25 00:54:56 ath-50s Sep 25 00:55:22 Although I hard a pair of a700s recently and was blown away Sep 25 00:55:31 though, he did use an extra portable amp Sep 25 00:56:59 http://www.fishpond.com.au/Lifestyle/Cyber-Acoustics-Neckband-Style-Headset-and-Microphone-Silver/0646422100784 <---- that? :D Sep 25 00:57:00 Sennheiser <3 Sep 25 00:58:36 http://www.i-touchcomputers.com.au/index.php?productID=254 Sep 25 00:59:05 http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headsets_pc_music-PC-141 Sep 25 01:01:32 http://www.icidu.com/index.php/audio/headset/headset-sporty-neckband.html Sep 25 01:01:37 there's really plenty of them Sep 25 01:01:46 I can't walk around in the street looking like a telemarketer Sep 25 01:01:50 it needs to be a dangling mic Sep 25 01:02:15 all .au links Sep 25 01:02:20 I'm in 'merica Sep 25 01:03:05 the sennheiser link wasn't .au :) neither was that icidu Sep 25 01:03:48 I can't walk around looking like this: http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/telemarketer1.jpg Sep 25 01:07:03 http://www.chinatob.com/pid10168162/Neckband+Headset+with+Microphone+TB-M910.htm Sep 25 01:08:51 can you get nackband mic + jack ? Sep 25 01:08:56 then use any headphones u want Sep 25 01:09:43 http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headphones_sport-line_504604 Sep 25 01:09:50 see the two connectors... It won't fit the n900 Sep 25 01:10:08 http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headphones_sport-line_504607 Sep 25 01:10:20 internetishard, you can get adapters for those, not too hard really Sep 25 01:10:59 http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headphones_sport-line_504601 Sep 25 01:11:09 http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headphones_sport-line_504603 Sep 25 01:12:22 http://www.amazon.com/Jabra-CLIPPER-Bluetooth-Stereo-Headset/dp/B0040X33SE/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1316912898&sr=1-3 Sep 25 01:12:50 I don't think he wanted a bluetooth headset :) Sep 25 01:13:11 least he wont have to worry bout adapters Sep 25 01:13:12 :P Sep 25 01:13:13 otoh it doesn't go around the ear, it looks like a standard earplugs Sep 25 01:13:37 I'm sure that's besides the point Sep 25 01:16:15 and if one wants to compare with bluetooth, there's this: http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headsets_mobile_music_504111 Sep 25 01:19:41 http://www.plantronics.com/us/product/backbeat-903-plus&skuId=sku5630014 <-- or even these Sep 25 01:22:59 needs a mic Sep 25 01:24:32 which? Sep 25 01:27:47 last link Sep 25 01:28:46 Microphones Dual-Mic Sep 25 01:28:55 in the specifications page Sep 25 01:29:20 oh yeah Sep 25 01:29:24 * psycho_oreos wonders if you're not looking hard enough or your simply tired and cbf'ed reading up on the specs close enough Sep 25 01:29:25 I'm looking at the wired ones Sep 25 01:29:41 and the sennheiser links that I previously posted? Sep 25 01:47:54 some look okay Sep 25 01:47:57 looking for place to buy them Sep 25 01:49:17 seriously, 50$ for some cable and generic earpod speakers? Sep 25 01:51:34 if you're talking about sennheisers, they are like one of the audiophile's recommended manufacturers Sep 25 01:51:55 its like buying a merc :p Sep 25 01:53:52 psycho_oreos, the mic is on that dangling clip, I take it Sep 25 01:53:55 I think I'll get them Sep 25 01:54:18 I take it they'll be compatible with 3.5mm jack in the n900 even though it doesn't list the size Sep 25 01:54:50 internetishard, doesn't help when you don't provide the actual link, nor do I condone any of the products I've mentioned Sep 25 01:55:06 what do you condone? Sep 25 01:55:12 http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headphones_sport-line_504604 Sep 25 01:56:20 I'm a fan of bluetooth headsets. I have tried numerous wired headsets with mixed results and now using bluetooth headsets I only have to worry about other interferences over wireless Sep 25 01:56:37 plus there was a tmo thread about owners with worn N900 TRRS ports Sep 25 01:57:05 what were the negatives of the wired headset? Sep 25 01:57:37 people wore out their n900 audio port? Sep 25 01:57:59 I'm pretty careful with mine... the main thing about bluetooth headsets is that they can be eavesdropped on pretty easily. Sep 25 01:58:21 (easily in comparison to strong crypto) Sep 25 01:58:28 if you're trying to move around confined places sometimes your cables gets caught with other objects near you when moving around in confined spaces and as a result either the plug gets pulled out, your headphone gets yanked out of your ear, etc Sep 25 01:58:49 sure, yeah Sep 25 01:59:14 they can be eavesdropped when and if there's an mitm attack, you'll know when you get eavesdropped they disconnect the link between you and your headset Sep 25 01:59:43 I've read articles saying that don't agree Sep 25 01:59:58 http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/08/eavesdropping_o.html Sep 25 02:04:07 to inject audio to, and record audio from bypassing cars that have an unconnected Bluetooth handsfree unit running. Sep 25 02:04:43 so if the devices are already pre-paired, the case wouldn't really matter unless the attacker breaks the pair and inserts itself in between the two devices Sep 25 02:06:49 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53399 <--- audio port problem with N900 Sep 25 02:19:00 psycho_oreos: err - note the dte Sep 25 02:19:25 SpeedEvil, dte? Sep 25 02:20:17 date Sep 25 02:21:10 SpeedEvil, for that tmo thread? yes its old but its a good starting point for reading Sep 25 02:23:28 The headset wire breaks Sep 25 02:23:30 possibly Sep 25 02:23:32 Mine has Sep 25 02:23:36 and done that Sep 25 02:23:43 Oh - I diddn't read internetishard's question. Sep 25 02:25:20 reading Backlogs is overrated anyways **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 25 02:59:57 2011