**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 27 02:59:57 2011 Sep 27 07:35:43 Moo gentlemen Sep 27 07:45:02 ~seen Pali Sep 27 07:45:11 pali <~quassel@rohar.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 12h 14m 4s ago, saying: 'ping DocScrutinizer'. Sep 27 09:12:40 Are nokia warranties - EU - portable across countries? Sep 27 09:13:39 Could I send my phone to a country that's shipping the n9 for repair, in the hopes of getting a n9 as a replacement? Sep 27 09:14:39 Though I'd be holding od till there is some clarity on the state of the release image Sep 27 09:14:51 SpeedEvil: yes Sep 27 09:15:14 SpeedEvil: also just ask Nokia for a Maemo/Meego phone Sep 27 09:15:35 they tried to dump a N8 on me, until I reminded them it's not equivilent by far due to not running proper Linux Sep 27 09:36:30 "Although there are talented people still there, a lot of talented folks have left MSFT senior leadership in the past 18 months or so - Liddell, Elop, Muglia, Bach, etc, etc. Although Elop was instrumental in getting the Nokia deal up and going" Sep 27 09:37:09 RST38h, that basically explains it all Sep 27 09:37:11 "MSFT is still very strong in the enterprise but to the consumer, MSFT seems completely dead. MSFT has no consumer mindshare any longer" Sep 27 09:37:20 http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2011/09/friday-friday-friday-microsoft-company.html Sep 27 09:37:57 * SpeedEvil imagines that as the announcement of Rebecca Black coming onboard as microsoft head of marketing. Sep 27 09:39:07 The comments! The comments!!! Sep 27 09:39:23 "The review results this year looks opposite to the actual work. Good engineers who, is used to own code, are getting 4 and 5, so they are leaving, but the ones, who is awarded the top scores, are unable to manage the inherited code base." Sep 27 09:44:31 Even more fun: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=836373 Sep 27 09:45:48 in other news nokia announced that they actually started shipping N9 to operators/retailers Sep 27 09:46:07 OMG Sep 27 09:46:18 Did they announce it at somebody's personal blog? =) Sep 27 09:46:54 no Sep 27 09:46:58 press.nokia.com Sep 27 09:47:04 http://www.nokia.fi/nokia/lehdisto/tiedotteet/tiedotteet?newsid=1549733 probably in the wrong language for some :) Sep 27 09:47:05 http://press.nokia.com/2011/09/27/nokia-n9-begins-shipping/ Sep 27 09:50:34 Surprisingly cheap in some ways Sep 27 09:50:58 The rumored prices were much higher. Sep 27 09:51:37 before taxes though, so shop prices probably will be noticeably more Sep 27 09:53:05 I forgot VAT - true Sep 27 09:53:38 Bang on 500 pounds. Sep 27 09:53:40 yeah VAT and the shops own margin Sep 27 09:53:51 depending on the shop Sep 27 09:55:03 ~aegis Sep 27 09:55:04 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif Sep 27 11:12:32 Morning, all Sep 27 11:22:51 hi Sep 27 11:35:42 BWAHAHA >> "With the innovations in industrial design, user interface, **and_the_Qt_developer_experience**, the Nokia N9 sets the bar for how natural technology can feel...<< Sep 27 11:46:05 http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/MainSearchProductCategory.html?q=n9 16GB 614,99 € - 836,90 € 64GB 699,00 € - 1.015,90 € Sep 27 11:46:54 if I buy 2 pcs N900, I also got 64GB and sigma 1GHz CPU ;-P Sep 27 11:47:10 for same money to shell out Sep 27 11:49:46 but you can't get a pink N900 Sep 27 11:50:20 OK no (mostly useless) NFC, but then double screen area, two hw kbds, NO AEGIS lockdown to OVI store... Sep 27 11:51:30 and I probably can even find two pink spare N900 2nd-source cases in China, and somebody to mount those for me, and still save enough for a coffee to enjoy all this ;-D Sep 27 11:53:22 btw there have been first reports of shadow-images burnt in to amoled screen after as short as a few minutes of static content display Sep 27 11:53:31 yet unconfirmed Sep 27 11:56:20 plus a lot of testers frowned on pentile pixel scheme Sep 27 11:59:34 on the bright side: it's shiny Sep 27 12:12:49 hey everyone Sep 27 12:44:00 hey Sep 27 12:46:13 hey Sep 27 13:35:32 can someone post the greek sum ascii letter Sep 27 13:36:49 ΣΣ Sep 27 13:37:08 thanks Sep 27 13:37:22 yw. Sep 27 13:37:44 times like this i wish the N950 had cp in browser Sep 27 13:38:07 post it to swaziland :P Sep 27 13:52:27 Nitpick time, apologies in advance. Unicode has the "n-ary summation" mathematical operator ∑, and the Greek capital letter sigma Σ (which are different); there's no "greek sum letter", and definitely no "greek sum ascii letter". Sep 27 13:53:38 apologies accepted Sep 27 14:55:23 actually they differ in rendering on my IRC client here Sep 27 14:55:52 math operator way taller Sep 27 14:56:44 possibly using max line height Sep 27 18:02:24 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/27/zombie_linux_merger/ <-- erm Sep 27 18:52:35 ruskie: you missed all the fun in #meego-bar then Sep 27 19:27:41 hello Sep 27 22:12:58 hi. does CSSU work with kernel power? Sep 27 22:15:45 yes Sep 27 22:19:38 thanks Sep 27 23:04:26 well... my buddy got what he believes is the proper port ... i didnt know these things were so specific Sep 27 23:04:36 lame Sep 27 23:04:59 he said he is going to try to reflow it on wednesday when the ports get there Sep 27 23:05:14 fingers crossed Sep 27 23:05:27 Good luck. Sep 27 23:05:34 hope i get my n900 back and working soon Sep 27 23:05:38 :-) Sep 27 23:05:56 because there is no way i would ever get an n9 Sep 27 23:05:58 lol Sep 27 23:06:24 maybe an n950 if nokia wasnt being stupid and not releasing it to the public Sep 27 23:06:46 n9 for almost 900 tho? no thanks Sep 27 23:07:13 rip off .. no qwerty either? fail :-) Sep 27 23:07:46 I just got a Pre 3 Sep 27 23:08:04 pretty cool except my HP webOS profile is on a server which is broken, so I had to hack it to activate it. uh oh. Sep 27 23:08:29 but, I've got two phones because I'm an idiot, so I can have a Pre 3 for QWERTY and an N9 as the other Sep 27 23:09:04 N9's pretty good Sep 27 23:09:14 the vkb is good Sep 27 23:13:14 Robot101: where did you get it? Sep 27 23:13:21 javispedro: ebay Sep 27 23:13:37 hm.. Sep 27 23:14:11 anyone used a Motorola Xoom? Sep 27 23:14:57 the keyboard is it's just a smidge bigger than the Pre2 which makes it typable on (at speed) for me Sep 27 23:15:06 I'm very used to the N900 keyboard and the Pre 2 was just too small for me Sep 27 23:15:25 e-mail just works, unlike Modest which just cries in the corner when it sees my mailboxes Sep 27 23:15:39 calendar and contacts sync seamlessly with gmail and facebook Sep 27 23:26:22 hi Sep 27 23:26:45 i miss my n900 Sep 27 23:27:01 i sold it and bought a n8 Sep 27 23:28:42 that was an error ;P Sep 27 23:29:27 lol Sep 27 23:30:42 i sold it because it was a constant pain but i miss always having to charge it and flash it all my n8 does is take pics Sep 27 23:35:26 Paul123: constant pain? I am running testing + devel things + cssu-testing and apart of no-sim error once every ~120 days I have no problem, last time I was force to flash was the PR upgrade Sep 27 23:35:50 mines always had problems Sep 27 23:36:16 I stopped using skype, that made a huge difference! Sep 27 23:36:19 having fcam and kernel power messed it up Sep 27 23:37:50 i sold my n900 on ebay but now the guy got his money back because he says it dont work but that cant be possible so hopefully he'll send it back Sep 27 23:37:56 since the cssu camui is fixed (or the bugs changed^^) I use that, for playing with the cam fcam was/is nice but there is no need Sep 27 23:38:14 he should do that Sep 27 23:38:46 paypal send me half my money back Sep 27 23:39:13 so he got 50% back till he ships the device back to you? Sep 27 23:39:24 no he has 100% Sep 27 23:39:40 for how long? Sep 27 23:39:52 have you requested the device Sep 27 23:40:05 bacause i was too lazy to respond to paypal they beleived him Sep 27 23:40:15 yesterday Sep 27 23:41:00 i doubt hes gonna send it lol Sep 27 23:41:08 i hope though Sep 27 23:41:49 request it, and tell paypal, the money is frozen in his account for some days Sep 27 23:42:13 i think it was removed Sep 27 23:42:15 "to lazy" is no excuse Sep 27 23:42:17 the hold Sep 27 23:42:40 i know my fault paypal gave me half out of their pocket Sep 27 23:42:46 not the buyers Sep 27 23:43:29 ehrm so you got 50% and paypal refunded 100%? Sep 27 23:44:10 ya he has all his cash back and paypal gave me 50% because paypal was nice Sep 27 23:44:26 hes in st lucia! Sep 27 23:45:18 i still have my n900 thats broke and a n8 so i might buy a n9 Sep 27 23:45:32 I would request the device, either way, if it is broken, I would tell paypal that it was fully functional when you sent it... Sep 27 23:45:40 i did Sep 27 23:45:46 even broken n900s sell on ebay... Sep 27 23:46:04 and I am sure n8s do too Sep 27 23:46:08 ya Sep 27 23:46:21 i want to fix my broken one Sep 27 23:46:54 mohammad said he might fix my screen and digitizer Sep 27 23:47:10 and still got to fix usb Sep 27 23:48:55 so hopefully ill get the good n900 back in the mail sell my n8, buy a n9 and ill be happy with a n900 and n9! :) Sep 28 00:38:06 good morning Sep 28 01:48:53 heh Sep 28 01:49:01 well. i love my n900 Sep 28 01:49:11 i miss it. stupid usb port Sep 28 01:49:14 :-) Sep 28 01:49:17 Stupid Nokia Sep 28 01:49:21 what a pain Sep 28 01:49:28 haha Sep 28 01:49:59 indeed, GeneralAntilles Sep 28 01:50:02 well... my buddy gets the new port in tomorrow. he said it was a lot easier to find it with the n900 there Sep 28 01:50:11 I would be more inclined to go buy an N9 if I knew it'd actually do some good Sep 28 01:50:18 so hopefully he can ship it out thursday Sep 28 01:50:23 You can buy N9s? :P Sep 28 01:50:32 i would get one if it had a qwerty Sep 28 01:50:33 Where are you? Australia (Pff) Sep 28 01:51:31 I thought they were on sale now Sep 28 01:52:20 Apparently Sep 28 01:52:26 But only in places like China and Australia Sep 28 01:52:38 Not actual real places where real people with money for Nokia products live. Sep 28 01:53:18 I'd pay the shipping.. Sep 28 01:53:48 Gray market N9s are probably gonna go for $800 USD Sep 28 01:54:21 hmm Sep 28 01:54:27 ..yeah, i'd go for that Sep 28 01:57:54 my n900's getting a bit old.. I'd be fine with $800 for an upgrade Sep 28 01:59:19 I wish I could fix my hildon-desktop crashes Sep 28 02:03:59 sheepbat: So would I. Sep 28 02:04:12 (If I had the cash) Sep 28 02:56:48 GeneralAntilles, oi, withdraw that comment Sep 28 02:57:19 Australia is a real place with real people. And the last time I checked, our economy was going a whole lot better than yours buddy Sep 28 02:57:32 damn Sep 28 02:57:45 :p **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 28 02:59:56 2011