**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 01 02:59:56 2011
Oct 01 04:12:10 <DocAvalanche> ~xyawn
Oct 01 04:12:11 <infobot> i guess xyawn is nice coffee
Oct 01 04:12:15 <DocAvalanche> k
Oct 01 04:12:28 <woldrich> ~atari
Oct 01 04:12:28 <infobot> i guess atari is a very good old computer that used to be produced before the amigas, and some are still used at mixing studios, and there even is a hacked linux that runs on those computers ...
Oct 01 04:13:07 <DocAvalanche> wow
Oct 01 04:13:39 <DocAvalanche> ~tickle woldrich 
Oct 01 04:13:39 * infobot jumps on woldrich, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!"
Oct 01 04:14:16 <woldrich> ~kick infobot 
Oct 01 04:14:16 * infobot kicks infobot
Oct 01 04:14:20 <woldrich> hmm.
Oct 01 04:15:18 <infobot> woldrich: you're a nasty person
Oct 01 04:15:44 <woldrich> bots ain't supposed to have opinions
Oct 01 04:15:55 <infobot> I do
Oct 01 04:17:20 * woldrich does infobot 
Oct 01 04:18:45 * infobot does the woldrich jig
Oct 01 04:19:23 <woldrich> infobot, source
Oct 01 04:19:23 <infobot> To build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file.  Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source.  The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`.
Oct 01 04:19:29 <woldrich> meh.
Oct 01 04:19:32 <woldrich> YOUR source
Oct 01 04:24:10 <DocScrutinizer> ~spell woldrich
Oct 01 04:24:12 <infobot> possible spellings for woldrich: wold rich wold-rich Aldrich Goodrich Roderich wolfish Ulrich oldish Aldric coldish baldric ostrich goldfish wold whorish Aldrich's wolds Woodrow cloddish flourish wold's
Oct 01 04:24:29 <woldrich> whorish
Oct 01 04:24:47 <sl4sh3r> infobot, opengl
Oct 01 04:24:48 <infobot> well, opengl is a 2- and 3D graphics pipeline, designed with hardware implementations in mind.  The industry standard for 3D graphics programming.
Oct 01 04:25:07 <woldrich> ~sophie zelmani
Oct 01 04:25:16 <woldrich> ~sophie\ zelmani
Oct 01 04:25:19 <sl4sh3r> infobot, osso
Oct 01 04:25:23 <woldrich> ~zelmani
Oct 01 04:25:26 <woldrich> I think we killed infobot 
Oct 01 04:25:31 <sl4sh3r> loooooool
Oct 01 04:25:39 <infobot> kill me? HAH
Oct 01 04:25:49 <sl4sh3r> lolol
Oct 01 04:26:47 <sl4sh3r> is that possible to develop opengl applications inside scratchbox (even without hw acceleration)?
Oct 01 04:27:59 <DocScrutinizer> ~dict zelmani
Oct 01 04:28:02 <infobot> could not find definition for zelmani
Oct 01 04:29:44 <woldrich> infobot, title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJpGTEyBMqs
Oct 01 04:30:20 <woldrich> bah. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp6dwlF1DTw was the actual video.
Oct 01 04:36:15 <sl4sh3r> nice tune
Oct 01 04:36:40 <woldrich> :)
Oct 01 04:40:35 <sl4sh3r> How can I change target architecture in Makefile to make code run on ARM?
Oct 01 04:40:54 <psycho_oreos> why don't you use scratchbox instead?
Oct 01 04:41:00 <sl4sh3r> I'm using
Oct 01 04:41:12 <sl4sh3r> It's my first day using it
Oct 01 04:42:01 <sl4sh3r> I have downloaded Xournal source, made all hacks that I wanted, tested on the "maemo 5 emulator"
Oct 01 04:43:44 <sl4sh3r> but I don't have idea how to change the target architecture
Oct 01 05:40:43 <sl4sh3r> infobot, deb
Oct 01 05:40:44 <infobot> [deb] the extension for debian precompiled packages
Oct 01 05:41:26 <woldrich> sl4sh3r, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2GpHZsI5Fc
Oct 01 05:49:29 <sl4sh3r> didn't know this artist, good music
Oct 01 06:32:38 <MohammadAG> sl4sh3r, sb-conf SELECT FREMANTLE_ARMEL
Oct 01 06:34:09 <sl4sh3r> MohammadAG, thanks I found this command a few minutes ago
Oct 01 06:35:36 <sl4sh3r> MohammadAG, do I need to add armel specific catalogues on /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to compile for ARM?
Oct 01 06:37:11 <sl4sh3r> I have managed to compile for x86 without any problem, but Im still figthing with dependencies on ARM
Oct 01 06:44:10 <MohammadAG> fakeroot apt-get build-dep xournal
Oct 01 06:53:02 <sl4sh3r> MohammadAG, "E: Unable to find a source package for xournal"
Oct 01 06:57:06 <MohammadAG> sl4sh3r, add extras devel
Oct 01 06:57:11 <MohammadAG> into sources.list
Oct 01 06:57:30 <MohammadAG> as well as the same line with deb-src instead of deb, then apt-get update
Oct 01 07:05:00 <sl4sh3r> MohammadAG, I don't have idea how should be the final line
Oct 01 07:05:05 <sl4sh3r> lol
Oct 01 07:29:17 <MohammadAG> sl4sh3r, deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free
Oct 01 07:31:54 <sl4sh3r> MohammadAG, thanks!
Oct 01 07:41:42 <sl4sh3r> MohammadAG, omg its working on N900! Thanks a lot again!
Oct 01 08:13:52 <timmyt> how to share 3g over the bluetooth?
Oct 01 08:15:08 <timmyt> guys, 
Oct 01 08:17:25 <t7^> timmyt, there is a blutooth dialup networking package in there somewhere
Oct 01 08:18:17 <t7^> you want to share you internet from your n900 to your laptop right?
Oct 01 08:19:22 <psycho_oreos> http://www.maemo-freak.com/index.php/downloads/appsdown/1337-bluetooth-dun-package-now-available-tether-n900s-internet-connection-with-your-pc
Oct 01 08:19:34 <psycho_oreos> lrn2usegoogle srsly
Oct 01 08:20:24 <t7^> check this also http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/bluetooth-dun/
Oct 01 08:24:49 <timmyt> t7^ right
Oct 01 14:28:42 <HyperSnyper> what do u people use for grabbing album art on your n900, the "google-art" one ?
Oct 01 15:01:24 <Estel_> hey, I got unconfirmed reports, that kp49 pre-release is broken regarding 'evil infamous' i2c 'patch', the same way kernel-bfs7 is
Oct 01 15:02:25 <Estel_> the thing is, that kernel-bfs7 is kp49 + BFS + con kolivas patches + ubifs patch
Oct 01 15:02:51 <Estel_> and it loads bq27x00_battery.ko from start.
Oct 01 15:03:15 <Estel_> the thing is that, it means kp49 act like that also, and no one noticed that
Oct 01 15:03:32 <Estel_> can anyone using kp49 confirm it?
Oct 01 15:04:11 <Estel_> it can be done by many ways, easiest one is to try executing bq27200.sh as root
Oct 01 15:04:33 <Estel_> if i2c is busy, then kp49 is bugged as well.
Oct 01 15:16:25 <ShadowJK> If kernel module is loaded, bme and bq27200 should not work
Oct 01 15:30:34 <Estel_> but it does work
Oct 01 15:30:49 <Estel_> and idont claim it's based on kp49 + unrelated patches
Oct 01 15:30:59 <Estel_> kp48 surely isn't bugged, but kp49?
Oct 01 15:31:34 <Estel_> i mean that bme work, and bq27200.sh doesn't work, of cours e
Oct 01 15:32:10 <Estel_> ShadowJK, I'm writing all of this, because kp49 is semi-oficial for a quite long time, and is to hit repos soon
Oct 01 15:32:24 <Estel_> it is possible that no one noticed this 'little' thing
Oct 01 15:32:53 <Estel_> if that is not the case, it would mean that it got enabled 'magically' in bfs7, which I doubt
Oct 01 15:33:06 <ShadowJK> If bme is loaded before kernel module, bme continues to work. If bme is stopped and you try to start it, it will most likely fail
Oct 01 15:34:05 <Estel_> the best irony is, that bfs6 with possibility to echo enable 'evil' patch, was ok, and bfs7 based on kp49 without bfs 'dangerous' patch introduce this evil tying out of box
Oct 01 15:34:23 <Estel_> ok, will check that. I would just like someone with kp49 to confirm it
Oct 01 15:35:14 <Estel_> I don't feel like installing kp49, already got kp48 and bfs for comparision, and I'm less interested in kp49 now. But this may be important thing to check for kp49 users, and for future updates of kp
Oct 01 15:35:36 <Estel_> brb, checking if I'm going to have reboot after restarting bme in bfs7
Oct 01 15:36:47 <DocScrutinizer> ping pali about it
Oct 01 15:37:00 <DocScrutinizer> pali is KP maintainer
Oct 01 16:05:27 <Estel_> ShadowJK,  You were right. Dangerous path was not enabled - it was just bq(...).ko module loaded from start. Seems like blacklisting issue.
Oct 01 16:06:24 <Estel_> Thanks for help there!
Oct 01 16:06:49 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: so you say a "stop bme; start bme" will cause havoc?
Oct 01 16:07:46 <DocScrutinizer> ...unless you modprobe -r bq27200  prior to that
Oct 01 16:10:01 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: long time ago I tried to talk a user through blacklisting that module, seems it didn't work for unknown reasons
Oct 01 16:11:27 <DocScrutinizer> seems inclusion of that module to PK wasn't well prepared and tested - so it better never got included the way it's now
Oct 01 16:12:39 <DocScrutinizer> maintainers need to learn that messing with kernel is another level of responsibility than messing around with an app pkg
Oct 01 16:13:34 <DocScrutinizer> as not *all* users will use the app but all will have to use the kernel
Oct 01 16:14:53 <DocScrutinizer> and quite usually problems introduced by kernel issues are way more severe - like bootlops, empty battery (so no reflash -> deadlock) etc
Oct 01 16:20:08 <pauly2> sounds like a problem..
Oct 01 16:24:25 <guylhem> hello
Oct 01 16:24:33 <guylhem> could I get some help for a reboot loop?
Oct 01 16:25:52 <NIN101> guylhem: just ask
Oct 01 16:26:26 <guylhem> well I did a rm in the wrong directory, cleaning up MyDocs my mistake yesterday late at night
Oct 01 16:26:41 <guylhem> can't remember if I rebooted
Oct 01 16:26:50 <guylhem> but now I'm stuck in a reboot loop
Oct 01 16:27:14 <NIN101> do you remember the name of the directory?
Oct 01 16:27:32 <guylhem> the n900 MyDocs directory - whole thing
Oct 01 16:27:59 <DocScrutinizer> shouldn't hurt
Oct 01 16:28:10 <NIN101> exactly. 
Oct 01 16:28:33 <DocScrutinizer> well it for sure hurts *you* (if you got valuable data there)
Oct 01 16:28:45 <guylhem> never mind my data. It's gone now :-)
Oct 01 16:29:03 <guylhem> I did reinstall the important stuff during the night like maps, etc.
Oct 01 16:29:07 <DocScrutinizer> so don't worry, just reflash
Oct 01 16:29:21 <DocScrutinizer> maybe you got multiboot or sth
Oct 01 16:29:34 <DocScrutinizer> this might depend on data in MyDocs, dunno
Oct 01 16:29:49 <guylhem> Well I have a backup made from nokia app, not from the bootmenu
Oct 01 16:30:01 <guylhem> yes I got multiboot
Oct 01 16:30:10 <DocScrutinizer> SEE? blaerg!
Oct 01 16:30:18 <DocScrutinizer> ~maemo-multiboot
Oct 01 16:30:18 <infobot> maemo-multiboot is probably deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED
Oct 01 16:30:31 <guylhem> I wanted to use it to do backups ... my mistake
Oct 01 16:30:51 <guylhem> I fear the nokia made backup won't be very complete
Oct 01 16:31:05 <DocScrutinizer> depends
Oct 01 16:31:10 <guylhem> ie with the stock backup application
Oct 01 16:31:33 <DocScrutinizer> it has all your apps and accounts and msgs and contacts, usually
Oct 01 16:31:56 <guylhem> the only weird things I had was the special kernel - I fear I won't find it back
Oct 01 16:32:11 <guylhem> I mean, it won;t be restored
Oct 01 16:32:18 <DocScrutinizer> for sure not
Oct 01 16:32:25 <guylhem> and I'll have to dig additional stuff.
Oct 01 16:32:43 <guylhem> so do you know a way to interrupt the reboot loop before I try to reflash??
Oct 01 16:33:15 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, you can try rescue-initrd or NIN101 's way smarter alternative
Oct 01 16:33:52 <NIN101> guylhem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75369
Oct 01 16:33:52 <DocScrutinizer> you also might recover by flashing --kernel-only
Oct 01 16:34:22 <guylhem> thanks - I have no idea what I did wrong besides this rm
Oct 01 16:40:53 <DocScrutinizer> nothing, you nuked multiboot
Oct 01 16:45:14 <guylhem> not sure about the multiboot thing - it's my 1st week with a n900. I'll check /var/lib/dpkg/info to be sure about the name
Oct 01 16:46:47 <DocScrutinizer> keep away from nitdroid and you're safe ;-D
Oct 01 16:49:13 <guylhem> coming from a droid device I have no desire to see it again :-)
Oct 01 16:51:17 <NIN101> "no desire" - a pun :-)?  
Oct 01 16:55:35 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Oct 01 16:55:42 <guylhem> nope - it was a x10 mini pro, the closest thing I could get to a n900 (keyboard etc)
Oct 01 16:55:50 <guylhem> but now I got myself a true n900
Oct 01 16:55:55 <guylhem> :-)
Oct 01 16:56:15 <DocScrutinizer> take extreme care of your USB port!
Oct 01 16:56:39 <DocScrutinizer> as that's the one fly in the ointment
Oct 01 16:57:24 <guylhem> I've read about it. the n900 has a warranty of 18 months, and afterwards I think I can resolder that. Already did that to a Zaurus and a friends phone.
Oct 01 16:57:37 <guylhem> Still got some mini usb left - no micro however
Oct 01 16:59:02 <ds3> how critical is it to replace all the fasteners if the N900 is disassembled? the service docs says to toss them and replace them with fresh ones
Oct 01 17:02:54 <DocScrutinizer> guylhem: see->
Oct 01 17:02:58 <DocScrutinizer> ~usbfix
Oct 01 17:02:58 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
Oct 01 17:03:56 <DocScrutinizer> guylhem: 18 months of warranty are worthless as Nokia has no more spare N900 (or very few) - they usually replace broken N900 by some crap, like N9 or E7
Oct 01 17:04:03 <DocScrutinizer> N8, sorry
Oct 01 17:04:30 <guylhem> I'll resolder it myself then or get a spare n900 for parts
Oct 01 17:04:55 <DocScrutinizer> preventive soldering may be a good idea
Oct 01 17:05:25 <DocScrutinizer> if you feel comfortable with disassembling and soldering
Oct 01 17:06:09 <SpeedEvil> ds3: People have snapped the screws when reinserting
Oct 01 17:06:22 <SpeedEvil> ds3: They are like engine head bolts - they are torqued hard enough to deform them
Oct 01 17:06:36 <ds3> SpeedEvil: are replacement fastener kits available?
Oct 01 17:06:48 <DocScrutinizer> not really
Oct 01 17:06:50 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
Oct 01 17:07:07 <ds3> sigh
Oct 01 17:07:32 <ds3> the keyboard  open switch is broq on mine and I suspect something got in.... so much for opening and cleaning :(
Oct 01 17:07:37 <guylhem> good idea about the preventive one. I'll do that.
Oct 01 17:07:40 <DocScrutinizer> anyway number of screw-died fatalities is relatively low, judging by reports here
Oct 01 17:08:15 <ds3> okay, time to get the day started. bbl
Oct 01 17:08:26 <DocScrutinizer> same here, o/
Oct 01 17:09:21 <guylhem> don't know how nokia specific this advice is, but for electronics never ever use an electric screwdriver.
Oct 01 17:09:23 <DocScrutinizer> ds3: just make sure you tighten the screws with minimum torque sufficient to tightly settle them
Oct 01 17:09:58 <DocScrutinizer> and make sure you don't cut a new thread but use the old "thread" in plastic
Oct 01 17:10:11 <ds3> I always hand torque and I have broken fastners of this size in other things before 
Oct 01 17:11:26 <DocScrutinizer> well, you're free do find arbitrary matching spare screws, they're not particularly special
Oct 01 17:15:09 <DocScrutinizer> just take care about the plug at flat plastic connector ribbon, it easily breaks when bent on unplugging it, or on accidentally pulling the ribbon
Oct 01 17:21:25 <DocScrutinizer> well, my tools have a handle diameter of <15mm and I'm fastening by twisting the tool with 2 fingers
Oct 01 17:22:13 <DocScrutinizer> screws will go in really easy if you don't miss the old thread
Oct 01 17:22:39 <DocScrutinizer> of course if a screw already has a defect then all care won't help
Oct 01 17:24:14 <DocScrutinizer> s/with 2 fingers/between thumb and index finger/
Oct 01 17:26:07 * DocScrutinizer ponders sending out spare screw sets, for $1.49 plus packaging/portage
Oct 01 17:27:02 <RST38h> How low have we fallen, to have to repair these N900s by hand
Oct 01 17:27:34 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: you're free to program your CNC to do that for you ;-)
Oct 01 17:27:42 <RST38h> Yeah =)
Oct 01 17:27:54 <mr_jrt2> It's quite the classic-car syndrome.
Oct 01 18:08:22 <guylhem> ok got a working telnet... but what is root password for nin101 initrd ?
Oct 01 18:08:33 <NIN101> "rootme"
Oct 01 18:08:37 <guylhem> thanks!
Oct 01 18:08:56 <guylhem> much better with a large keyboard :-)
Oct 01 18:09:00 <NIN101> :-)
Oct 01 18:09:58 <guylhem> ok I see no multiboot in /var/lib/dpkg/info
Oct 01 18:10:04 <guylhem> only bootmenu
Oct 01 18:12:19 <guylhem> wonder what I did that broke it
Oct 01 18:12:22 <guylhem> no syslog either
Oct 01 18:12:42 <guylhem> can't create mmcblock0 with mknod in /dev
Oct 01 18:13:17 <NIN101> do you want to access maemo emmc partitions?
Oct 01 18:13:35 <guylhem> no just my mmc card to create a snapshot of maemo filesystem
Oct 01 18:13:54 <NIN101> your mmc card is mmcblk0*
Oct 01 18:14:01 <guylhem> I used the mount root script in /rescueos - maemo is mounted in /mnt
Oct 01 18:14:09 <guylhem> no such device in /dev
Oct 01 18:14:20 <guylhem> but it it listed in /proc/devices
Oct 01 18:15:23 <guylhem> well I;ll use maemo's /dev files
Oct 01 18:16:18 <NIN101> hmm, strange.
Oct 01 18:16:27 <guylhem> hmm can't either
Oct 01 18:16:40 <guylhem> no such devices
Oct 01 18:17:33 <guylhem> tried to remove/put back the mmc but it didn't help
Oct 01 18:19:00 <guylhem> I'm using the initrd
Oct 01 18:19:41 <NIN101> I'll take a look if I have a the same problem.
Oct 01 18:19:53 <guylhem> I guess I'll just do a tarball meanwhile
Oct 01 18:20:13 <guylhem> I have to check which part is the big 27G part to mount it
Oct 01 18:21:12 <NIN101> guylhem: can't confirm it on my device, I have the device nodes
Oct 01 18:21:20 <guylhem> weird
Oct 01 18:21:41 <NIN101> guylhem: give "mdev -s" a try...
Oct 01 18:22:08 <guylhem> I don't have the nodes, but they are listed in /proc, but if I use maemo copies it doesn;t help. mdev didn't either
Oct 01 18:22:29 <guylhem> how could I mount the big partition? I'll just store the tar gz there
Oct 01 18:23:04 <NIN101> it's mmcblk1p2
Oct 01 18:24:15 <guylhem> doesn't work either
Oct 01 18:24:59 <guylhem> looks like I've got a mmc problem
Oct 01 18:26:42 <NIN101> probably
Oct 01 18:28:05 <guylhem> ok thanks for your help I'll see what I can do. And thanks for your rescueos!
Oct 01 18:28:26 <NIN101> and with do you mean "doesn't work either", did you mean the nodes are not there or that you got something like "invalid argument" on mounting?
Oct 01 18:28:37 <NIN101> yw. 
Oct 01 18:28:59 <guylhem> nodes not there, and can't even access the files from maemo nodes
Oct 01 18:29:21 <guylhem> cat: can't open '/mnt/maemo/dev/mmcblkp1': No such file or directory
Oct 01 18:29:36 <guylhem> as if the module was not loaded
Oct 01 18:29:45 <NIN101> did you look in /dev/? 
Oct 01 18:30:00 <guylhem> in /dev no mmc*
Oct 01 18:51:54 <guylhem> found the cause for the mmc problem: it had the casing open and didn;t like
Oct 01 18:52:03 <guylhem> that. Just closing the cover create the mmc devices
Oct 01 18:52:10 <guylhem> cover is open, card is now inaccessible
Oct 01 18:52:14 <guylhem> cover is closed, card is now accessible
Oct 01 18:52:18 <guylhem> (!!)
Oct 01 18:53:32 <NIN101> I kinda knew it :-)
Oct 01 18:54:04 <NIN101> but actually you should have received kernel messages regarding this.
Oct 01 18:55:07 <guylhem> didn't think about the dmesg until now :-)
Oct 01 18:55:49 <guylhem> anyway regarding the reboot loop, any suggestion about what I should look for ?
Oct 01 18:59:15 <guylhem> what services in /etc is the knight rider equivalent to?
Oct 01 18:59:29 <guylhem> (so that I know from where to start in etc/init.d...)
Oct 01 19:00:50 <psycho_oreos> was that supposed to be many questions in one?
Oct 01 19:02:04 <NIN101> if you think the problem is bootmenu related you can chroot into maemo and try to remove it..., it's not that you have much to lose now, also keep an eye on your battery.
Oct 01 19:02:44 <guylhem> is it not charging the battery while connected?
Oct 01 19:03:08 <guylhem> I guess the problem is related to something I removed from mydocs
Oct 01 19:03:39 <guylhem> when I typed rm -fr in the wrong window
Oct 01 19:03:40 <NIN101> no you have to start the charging script yourself bash /rescueOS/charge21.bash, and it will not daemonize -- and own risk :-). 
Oct 01 19:03:50 <guylhem> ok
Oct 01 19:05:44 <guylhem> in my chroot : Unable to write to /var/cache/apt. maybe I need to mount the emmc in some specific place?
Oct 01 19:08:05 <NIN101> yeah it's probably missing optification, and honestly I think you should reflash COMBINED. 
Oct 01 19:09:30 <guylhem> I will ... at the moment I'm just trying
Oct 01 19:09:42 <guylhem> to see if I can fix the loop
Oct 01 19:09:57 <guylhem> do you know which process starts the knight rider light?
Oct 01 19:10:19 <NIN101> /sbin/preinit 
Oct 01 19:10:26 <NIN101> starts /sbin/init, which is upstart
Oct 01 19:10:31 <NIN101> upstarts scripts are in /etc/event.d/
Oct 01 19:10:44 <NIN101> but it also uses /etc/init.d
Oct 01 19:11:38 <guylhem> thx - as soon as my tar backup is done I'll try to remount mydocs from the chroot to do some apt-get 
Oct 01 19:11:52 <guylhem> I'll install syslog - hopefully it wil give me more information
Oct 01 19:12:25 <NIN101> in /sbin/preinit you'll probably find the bootmenu code, depending how much they edit you can probably simply remove/comment it out and try to start, always assuming bootmenu caused the reboot loop. 
Oct 01 19:13:42 <NIN101> and before you shut down, unmount /mnt/maemo as suggested in the documentation, because not unmounting ubifs is not cool from my experience :-). 
Oct 01 19:15:25 <guylhem> oops. already rebooted once without umounting. it mounted fine however
Oct 01 19:16:00 <NIN101> :-)
Oct 01 19:16:48 <guylhem> would you have a vanilla preinit so I can compare?
Oct 01 19:17:22 <NIN101> not vanilla, sorry :-)
Oct 01 19:33:46 <DocScrutinizer> bootmenu most probably didn't cause the bootloop - AIUI multiboot barfed on nuking some data it stored to MyDocs
Oct 01 19:34:17 <DocScrutinizer> to recover you need a working kernel in NAND, with matching kernel modules in /
Oct 01 19:36:02 <DocScrutinizer> probably mutliboot renamed the modules directory to point to that of a "new" (possibly android) kernel, but then on next boot failed to flash the matching kernel due to the kernel image to flash from been gone on MyDocs  (talking outa my arse here)
Oct 01 19:36:38 <guylhem> I am not using multiboot - my mistake. I was thinking about bootmenu
Oct 01 19:37:37 <guylhem> I've found some info about flag no-lifeguard-reset I'll try that with syslog to see where the problems comes from. I hate that I don't understand what's happening there
Oct 01 19:37:47 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, whatever, bootmenu is hooked into rescue boot, and it all depends on one single file in / that can simply get renamed/deleted to disable rescueboot+bootmenu
Oct 01 19:38:03 <guylhem> if it's something I did I'd rather know why to avoid doing it again 
Oct 01 19:38:14 <DocScrutinizer> good thinking
Oct 01 19:39:21 <guylhem> I have to go and get a hard drive for backups (main computer down too, due to the same accidental rm -fr..., but I understand what happened there :-), brb
Oct 01 19:39:33 <guylhem> shops will close in ~2 h
Oct 01 19:39:34 <DocScrutinizer> to neuter bootmenu, do >> mv /bootmenu.sh /bootmenu.sh_away <<
Oct 01 19:40:35 <DocScrutinizer> but I never heard bootmenu caused a bootloop
Oct 01 19:40:37 <guylhem> I'll try - hopefully I'll find a way to add a debug to the boot process to see which preinit step or /etc/rc2.d file is causing the problem
Oct 01 19:40:59 <guylhem> we will know for sure. I won't give up until tomorrow
Oct 01 19:41:18 <guylhem> got myself a full day to understand before nuking it :-)
Oct 01 19:41:28 * guylhem going to buy a hd
Oct 01 19:42:02 <DocScrutinizer> bring one for me as well please! :-D
Oct 01 20:04:31 <psycho_oreos> anyone still have that link that shows two N9, one is genuine N9 and the other is the prototype W9 depicting W9 is not powered by meego?
Oct 01 20:30:33 <RST38h> OMG they are advertising windows phone on tv
Oct 01 20:58:51 * guylhem found a 1To WD for 99 Eur
Oct 01 20:59:35 * guylhem wished he did his rm a week after buying the same hd in the US at a lesser price 
Oct 01 21:00:56 <psycho_oreos> you meant 1Tb
Oct 01 21:02:15 <jacekowski> guylhem: what?
Oct 01 21:02:22 <jacekowski> guylhem: i bought 2TB for less
Oct 01 21:02:32 * guylhem is crying
Oct 01 21:02:47 <guylhem> everything is very expensive in .mq
Oct 01 21:03:06 <jacekowski> 80euro for 2TB wd
Oct 01 21:03:20 <guylhem> and I'm going on vacation soon, with plans to purchase various stuff :-) well no HD this time
Oct 01 21:03:46 <guylhem> psycho_oreos: yes 1Tb
Oct 01 21:04:31 <psycho_oreos> guylhem, had me confused with seeing something similar as a boot reason on N900 :p
Oct 01 21:04:37 <psycho_oreos> something like 1_wd_to
Oct 01 21:04:55 <jacekowski> 1TB
Oct 01 21:04:58 <jacekowski> not 1Tb
Oct 01 21:05:06 <guylhem> the hd is for the other device I trashed with my rm -fr
Oct 01 21:05:16 <guylhem> to save some files before reinstalling
Oct 01 21:06:06 <Macer> i wish 3TB would come down a bit more
Oct 01 21:06:09 <psycho_oreos> well more technically it is 1TB but it was a knee-jerk reaction that I just used Tb instead of the correct terminology TB
Oct 01 21:06:10 <jacekowski> yeah
Oct 01 21:06:11 <Macer> like 100/drive :)
Oct 01 21:06:17 <jacekowski> i have to expand my nas
Oct 01 21:06:27 <jacekowski> and i've used up all my space
Oct 01 21:06:29 <Macer> heh
Oct 01 21:06:37 <Macer> i was going to eliminate my fileserver and use a synology
Oct 01 21:06:47 <Macer> and fill it up with 4x3TB drives
Oct 01 21:06:53 <Macer> raid 5
Oct 01 21:07:04 <Macer> so 9 usable... about 8 formatted
Oct 01 21:08:31 <jacekowski> i have synology
Oct 01 21:09:26 <Sazpaimon_> my gps doesnt seem to be getting a signal
Oct 01 21:09:35 <Sazpaimon_> anyone ever experience this
Oct 01 21:09:55 <Sazpaimon_> Im outside right now and have agps turned on
Oct 01 21:10:19 <Sazpaimon_> my data is working, I'm using it right now
Oct 01 21:10:36 <Sazpaimon_> but the gps icon just keeps blinking
Oct 01 21:12:40 <ShadowJK> martinique?
Oct 01 21:13:01 <guylhem> yes
Oct 01 21:13:43 <guylhem> great place but expansive for gizmos
Oct 01 21:13:44 <ShadowJK> Sazpaimon_, "location-test-ui" from SDK Tools repo, or "gpsjinni" from extras :-)
Oct 01 21:14:16 <ShadowJK> location-test-ui is great, you can ask it to do AGNSS and it'll only do (A)GPS and no network location
Oct 01 21:14:40 <ShadowJK> (sometimes though, just closing all gps apps and starting them again seems to work)
Oct 01 21:17:00 <Sazpaimon_> ShadowJK Im using google maps, should I try to killall browserd?
Oct 01 21:17:10 <ShadowJK> no
Oct 01 21:18:00 <Sazpaimon_> Ill get gpsjinni then
Oct 01 21:20:29 <Macer> jacekowski: have you tried the mail server?
Oct 01 21:20:42 <Macer> it seems to have quite a few servers built in.. i wouldn't mind taking advantage of them all
Oct 01 21:20:55 <Macer> but 128MB of ram sounds like it would crush that thing
Oct 01 21:21:39 <ShadowJK> crush what..
Oct 01 21:27:01 <Sazpaimon_> alright it finally got a signal on its own
Oct 01 21:27:08 <Sazpaimon_> wonder why it took so long
Oct 01 21:30:58 <guylhem> the hell if I know what happened??!!%% I just put the 900 in R&D mode and now it boots again!!
Oct 01 21:32:00 <guylhem> I wanted to take tarballs before doing anything weird.
Oct 01 21:32:04 <hatake_kakashi> Sazpaimon_, have you tried changing the SUPL server to google instead of nokia? and also by any chance do you have the latest CSSU installed?
Oct 01 21:32:41 <guylhem> still got "internal error" when trying to open the phone but it's a good step forward
Oct 01 21:32:50 <hatake_kakashi> guylhem, you might want to have a look at BackupMenu by robbiethe1st
Oct 01 21:32:57 <ShadowJK> oh yeah, t-mobile blocks nokia agps or something
Oct 01 21:33:03 <Sazpaimon_> google has an agps server?
Oct 01 21:33:09 <guylhem> hatake_kakashi: was installed. in fact I did suspect it was the problem
Oct 01 21:33:09 <Sazpaimon_> and yeah im on tmobile
Oct 01 21:33:20 <hatake_kakashi> Sazpaimon_, yeah, supl.google.co
Oct 01 21:33:24 <Sazpaimon_> why does tmobile block their supl server
Oct 01 21:33:26 <ShadowJK> com
Oct 01 21:33:28 <hatake_kakashi> guylhem, weird
Oct 01 21:33:45 <hatake_kakashi> s/.co/.com
Oct 01 21:33:48 <hatake_kakashi> s/.co/.com/
Oct 01 21:33:48 <infobot> hatake_kakashi meant: s/.com/.com
Oct 01 21:33:55 <ShadowJK> let's say "interferes" instead of "blocks"
Oct 01 21:33:59 <hatake_kakashi> ffs *facepalms for self*
Oct 01 21:34:09 <hatake_kakashi> supl.google.com *thanks ShadowJK*
Oct 01 21:34:11 <Sazpaimon_> also, i just noticed
Oct 01 21:34:12 <DocScrutinizer> same here, no t-mobile
Oct 01 21:34:49 <Sazpaimon_> microb now directs me to the web2go website on dns errors
Oct 01 21:34:54 <ShadowJK> lol
Oct 01 21:35:03 <Sazpaimon_> like, when i want to google search from the address bar
Oct 01 21:35:22 <Sazpaimon_> but my resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten
Oct 01 21:36:06 <hatake_kakashi> do you have openvpn installed?
Oct 01 21:36:35 <Sazpaimon_> yes
Oct 01 21:36:48 <hatake_kakashi> that could be the culprit
Oct 01 21:36:53 <Sazpaimon_> i havent paid for my vyprvpn though
Oct 01 21:37:00 <Sazpaimon_> so my account is suspended until I do
Oct 01 21:37:25 <Sazpaimon_> i havent used the applet in months though
Oct 01 21:37:41 <DocScrutinizer> so I blame Nokia's supl server infra just fsckdup
Oct 01 21:37:44 <guylhem> ok got another symptom : when screen turns off, the led at the left and right of the keyboard are brighter then the left led start blinking
Oct 01 21:37:58 <jacekowski> Macer: no
Oct 01 21:38:06 <ShadowJK> guylhem, it's supposed to do that in RD mode
Oct 01 21:38:10 <guylhem> ah ok
Oct 01 21:38:17 <DocScrutinizer> it's partially broken for N8x0, it's not working for N950, and it seems it's also flawed for N900
Oct 01 21:38:18 <jacekowski> Macer: if you want it for anything more than storage - don't buy it
Oct 01 21:38:22 <guylhem> that's my 1st week with a n900
Oct 01 21:38:31 <ShadowJK> normally nobody uses RD mode
Oct 01 21:38:38 <Sazpaimon_> Doc, tmobile?
Oct 01 21:38:52 <guylhem> well RD mode seems to have resolved the reboot loop - hell if I know why
Oct 01 21:38:53 <jacekowski> Macer: it's one of the best storage devices i've seen so far, but all additional features are not really working as expected
Oct 01 21:39:03 <ShadowJK> tmobile is known to intercept http traffic though :/
Oct 01 21:39:10 <DocScrutinizer> Sazpaimon_: no t-mobile, I said this above
Oct 01 21:40:42 <DocScrutinizer> actually as long as I got a SIM (O2) in device, it works flawlessly as then it's using this gsm-agps thingie
Oct 01 21:40:47 <DocScrutinizer> ~gsm-agps
Oct 01 21:40:48 <infobot> i heard rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP
Oct 01 21:41:28 <DocScrutinizer> at least on N900
Oct 01 21:41:45 <DocScrutinizer> o/ bbl
Oct 02 00:19:24 <hatake_kakashi> ~ggt
Oct 02 01:16:36 <DocScrutinizer> err ggt?
Oct 02 01:16:43 <DocScrutinizer> ~wtf ggt
Oct 02 01:16:44 <infobot> Gee...  I don't know what ggt means... 
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