**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 03 02:59:57 2011 Oct 03 10:09:14 hello Oct 03 10:09:30 anybody help me with a queenbeecon issue Oct 03 10:10:29 not unless they know the issue :) Oct 03 10:10:37 haha Oct 03 10:10:42 !ask Oct 03 10:11:10 or was it question? Too many channels with different bots :) Oct 03 10:11:31 trying to run ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L Oct 03 10:12:15 using queenbeecon i need it to open xterminal as root but it just opens then closes Oct 03 10:13:48 ~ask Oct 03 10:13:48 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Oct 03 10:14:22 * Sicelo is here against his will :p Oct 03 10:21:51 my issue better explained .. http://pastebin.com/JJdH20Uc many thanks Oct 03 10:48:50 my issue better explained .. http://pastebin.com/JJdH20Uc many thanks Oct 03 10:53:58 Does it need to be root Oct 03 10:53:58 ah Oct 03 10:54:02 simply Oct 03 10:54:09 Quaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak Oct 03 10:54:15 In more detail. Oct 03 10:54:25 find out where /etc/sudoers is populated Oct 03 10:54:42 It's in /etc/ somewhere - look for a directory called something like sudo Oct 03 10:55:03 this has lots of files, which add lines to /etc/sudoers - the format is obvious Oct 03 10:55:13 Add one listing the program you want to run Oct 03 10:55:25 Now, in queen beecon do sudo commandname Oct 03 10:55:29 And you're done Oct 03 10:55:42 (you'll need to reboot first, or populate /etc/sudoers poperly) Oct 03 10:55:52 or couldn't he simply use: echo "ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L" | root ? Oct 03 10:56:18 Y'ello Oct 03 10:56:35 or "su -c " Oct 03 10:57:02 this requires a password to be entered. Oct 03 10:59:02 Indeed Oct 03 10:59:07 the sudoers route doesn't Oct 03 10:59:51 try your suggestions now speedevil back in min Oct 03 11:01:30 Hey Speed. Oct 03 11:01:45 etc/sudoers.d/ Oct 03 11:02:09 plus run update-sudoers (instead of boot) Oct 03 11:03:09 Ah, Doc is awake too :O) Oct 03 11:05:50 yeah, moo Oct 03 11:05:59 not yet awake Oct 03 11:06:19 yeah - that Oct 03 11:07:59 It's 12:05pm... How are you not awake? Oct 03 11:09:00 I am also not awake, and it's only 12:06 here. Oct 03 11:09:04 Are you from the future? Oct 03 11:09:34 well speed that command never it doesnt open terminal Oct 03 11:09:44 many thanks thou , hummm what next Oct 03 11:10:00 I am. Which is why I keep breaking my N900. It's getting older, faster :O) Oct 03 11:10:21 Something to do with neutrinos, the details escape me. Oct 03 11:11:53 zerocool999: Oh - it won't open a terminal Oct 03 11:11:54 * CableTwitch puts the network cable back in Oct 03 11:11:58 That just lets the command run Oct 03 11:12:17 If you want it to open a terminal, you have to call the terminal, and get it to execute teh command - which I don't know how to do Oct 03 11:12:24 that works only for things without UI Oct 03 11:12:35 I use it to dim the screen to its lowest level, and to mount filesystems Oct 03 11:12:54 CableTwitch: I never sleep, but most of my storage needed a fsck.nnw - so I had to reboot and not all services are up yet Oct 03 11:13:19 I was with you up to the word 'sleep'. Oct 03 11:14:44 it doesnt have a UI it runs throu xterminal .. Oct 03 11:15:03 my issue better explained .. http://pastebin.com/JJdH20Uc many thanks Oct 03 11:15:59 zerocool999: try to run osso-xterm -e "ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L" instead Oct 03 11:16:28 thats the command i used first , it just opens the closes Oct 03 11:16:29 CableTwitch: a pun, as many users here think I'm a script (or skynet) Oct 03 11:16:56 You never seem to be absent, tis true. Oct 03 11:17:19 except when needing a fsck.nnw, but that's rare Oct 03 11:18:21 nevertheless takes a while nwfs is hard to check Oct 03 11:18:37 nnwfs* Oct 03 11:19:14 Doc, you could post any random 3-5 letters, and I'd assume it was something to do with linux. Oct 03 11:20:09 "The fgrtf process needed uugrt run on it, so I took the opportinity to lkkr and gblm at the same time" Oct 03 11:20:09 and no, that's not novel netware :-P Oct 03 11:20:29 zerocool999: taken from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30808 /usr/bin/maemo-summoner /usr/bin/osso-xterm.launch -e "ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L" Oct 03 11:20:36 at least with a tail it worked Oct 03 11:21:43 @merlin just opens an closes , when using queenbeecon Oct 03 11:21:53 more along neuronal network fuzzy slices, or simply neuronal network file system (though it's not really a fs) Oct 03 11:22:20 Shit, you're a LISP program? ;O) Oct 03 11:22:47 dng how did you find out? Oct 03 11:24:08 Well, it was either that or Eliza, but you haven't asked me to tell you my thoughts, so it was an easy answer. Oct 03 11:24:22 :-D Oct 03 11:24:53 good ol'Eliza, occasionally chatting with her when I'm bored Oct 03 11:25:30 I'm hoping she's much improved from the Paris Hilton sim I recall from my Amiga days. Oct 03 11:25:39 queen beecon my issue better explained .. http://pastebin.com/JJdH20Uc many thanks Oct 03 11:25:44 About 10 responses, that's yer lot. Oct 03 11:26:57 guys i need some help Oct 03 11:27:12 my microb keeps refreshing after a full load Oct 03 11:27:32 the funny thing about Eliza: she also seems to work in a somehow distributed way, I meet her in quite a number of places. But yeah, she's as boring as she been from beginning Oct 03 11:27:33 Mine is just useless. Oct 03 11:28:46 I'm surprised no-one has ported an Eliza clone to the 900 Oct 03 11:28:51 sat2050: you're sure that's not the webpages you visist that are causing that? Oct 03 11:30:04 CableTwitch: meet here next website: http://www.google.de/search?q=eliza Oct 03 11:30:12 her Oct 03 11:32:08 Doc, I'm going to guess you're German, yes? XD Oct 03 11:35:00 SOL3 Oct 03 11:35:22 but one of my favourite locale settings is indeed de_DE Oct 03 11:36:04 mostly because de.wikipedia.com is better than en.wikipedia.com Oct 03 11:38:33 it just happens my avatar also frequently is located there Oct 03 11:47:01 is that all cabletwitch, this is doing my nut in i need more haha Oct 03 11:50:51 zerocool999: why would you use queenbeecon for that? Oct 03 11:51:30 @doc why not use , i just want to create shortcut to open metasploit Oct 03 11:52:26 to start an app in xterm, see /usr/share/applications/hildon/mc.desktop Oct 03 11:53:06 Exec=osso-xterm -e mc Oct 03 11:53:48 for you that's probably Exec=osso-xterm -e "ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L" Oct 03 11:54:56 i have tryed that , nothing happens Oct 03 11:55:10 cheers thou , its a nightmare Oct 03 11:55:31 aah, the sudo part Oct 03 11:55:41 for you that's probably Exec=osso-xterm -e "sudo ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L" Oct 03 11:56:05 maybe even Oct 03 11:56:18 for you that's probably Exec=osso-xterm -e "sudo run-standalone.sh ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L" Oct 03 11:57:54 of course it's wise to first test the "sudo run-standalone.sh ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L" part in a "normal" xterm Oct 03 11:58:13 do you guys think OpenMobile ACL will work with Maemo? It would be awesome if it where posible to get Android-apps running on Maemo. Oct 03 11:58:18 to find out about any error msgs Oct 03 11:59:17 hakkattakk: never heard of it (implies nobody else talked about it here, while I listened) Oct 03 11:59:23 Zerocool: I'll try more in a bit, moving trains currently.... Oct 03 11:59:39 DocScrutinizer: http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/22/openmobile-demos-acl-for-meego-promises-100-compatibility-with/ Oct 03 11:59:59 it´s like Alien Dalvik Oct 03 12:00:06 :nod: Oct 03 12:00:10 thought as much Oct 03 12:00:47 thanks @cable and @doc nothing at all xterminal doesnt even open Oct 03 12:01:52 note that a lot of the more gifted devels are addicted to that dead end project - for unknown reasons. What's been the name...? dang, anyway it was with aegis and crap... Oct 03 12:02:45 zerocool999: xterm has the annoying "feature" to avoid multiple instances Oct 03 12:03:27 iirc not even mc starts when there's already a xterm screen open Oct 03 12:04:19 irssi does Oct 03 12:04:34 ooh it does Oct 03 12:05:02 so check the mc.desktop file more closely Oct 03 12:05:57 if the command to start your app runs in a plain xterm window (as suggested above) then I don't see why it can't run from a properly edited myapp.desktop icon Oct 03 12:07:37 http://paste.debian.net/133813/ for your convenience Oct 03 12:09:58 you first might use the original "Exec=osso-xterm -e mc" line and see if that summons midnight commander for you (given you got a mc installed) Oct 03 12:10:23 if that works, you next test a small edit, like Exec=osso-xterm -e "mc" Oct 03 12:10:42 then Exec=osso-xterm -e "mc --help" Oct 03 12:11:30 haha i got osso-xterm -e "sudo ruby1.8 /home/user/msf3/msfconsole -L" .... i missed sudo out thanks doc for youe help Oct 03 12:11:40 then Exec=osso-xterm -e "sh -c 'echo fooo; sleep 10'" Oct 03 12:12:00 yw Oct 03 12:19:48 * DocScrutinizer frowns at anonymous edits on w.m.o Oct 03 12:20:19 what the heck is wrong with requiring registration to allow edits? Oct 03 12:21:12 DocScrutinizer, no clue Oct 03 12:21:17 same for bug trackers etc... Oct 03 12:21:26 I don't get it why some allow anonymous posting Oct 03 12:21:44 the only info I ever got from such people was: oww it's so that users don't need to register... makes it easier for them Oct 03 12:26:52 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Phone_control&diff=0&oldid=45254 :-( Oct 03 12:27:48 more like http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Phone_control&diff=45461&oldid=45254 Oct 03 12:28:33 and http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Phone_control&diff=next&oldid=45461 Oct 03 12:29:35 ok, earns me wiki edit points for my karma (urgently need another 2 points :-P) - nevertheless it's annoying Oct 03 12:31:10 * DocScrutinizer realizes that it's not a virtual Sunday in other parts of the world Oct 03 12:31:51 * DocScrutinizer wonders what's mwkn all about today... Oct 03 12:32:41 errrr, nuttin? Oct 03 12:32:51 GAN900: ?? no mwkn? Oct 03 12:35:47 ~cookie Oct 03 12:35:49 * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... zip 81435... Telluride San Miguel CO Oct 03 12:36:21 I'll eventually nuke thoe 70,000 ZIP factoids :-S Oct 03 12:36:48 ~listkeys zip Oct 03 12:36:50 Factoid search of 'zip ' by key (20 of 42379): says i got gzip but there ;; zip 10931 ;; zip 12950 ;; zip 14145 ;; zip 20398 ;; zip 26633 ;; zip 28358 ;; zip 32648 ;; zip 3268 ;; zip 33302 ;; zip 34224 ;; zip 46168 ;; zip 47551 ;; zip 48725 ;; zip 48912 ;; zip 52229 ;; zip 52557 ;; zip 55121 ;; zip 56063 ;; zip 59419. Oct 03 12:37:06 ooh only 42,000 Oct 03 12:38:00 ~factinfo zip 33302 Oct 03 12:38:00 zip 33302 -- it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. Oct 03 12:38:26 ~cookie Oct 03 12:38:28 Hey docscrutinizer, zip 68879 is Taylor Loup NE Oct 03 12:38:36 >:-(( Oct 03 12:38:39 ~cookie Oct 03 12:38:41 Hey docscrutinizer, zip 50323 is Urbandale Polk IA Oct 03 12:38:43 ~cookie Oct 03 12:38:45 * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds jargon purple book... n. The `System V Interface Definition'. The covers of the first editions were an amazingly nauseating shade of off-lavender. See also {{book titles}}. Oct 03 12:39:26 * DocScrutinizer makes mental note to pester TimRiker about ZIP Oct 03 13:04:47 * CableTwitch pokes DocScrutinizer to turn the screensaver off. Oct 03 13:05:05 eh? Oct 03 13:58:45 hello Oct 03 13:58:52 hi Oct 03 13:59:22 I'm having trouble with my dear n900 lately. it has aquired gourmet tastes regarding charging Oct 03 13:59:36 only a few charging options work Oct 03 14:00:01 is it possible to affect the charging options through software? Oct 03 14:00:01 thats the USB starting to wear off Oct 03 14:00:12 ? Oct 03 14:00:38 you mean the connector? Oct 03 14:01:24 it doesnt seem to be affected by the particular cable I use, rather the particular charging device Oct 03 14:05:58 jave: What do you mean? Oct 03 14:06:17 o/ crashanddie Oct 03 14:06:40 hey DocScrutinizer Oct 03 14:07:19 jave: what are "charging options"? Oct 03 14:08:17 moo SpeedEvil Oct 03 14:09:23 Owner: "Hey N900, would you like to be charged?" N900: "What do you offer, you slimy weasel?" Owner: "I have 5V DC, 9V DC or 12V DC" N900: "Seriously? That's your menu? Your choice? Do you understand that I run one of the most advanced operating systems in the mobile industry? Do you honestly believe your food worthy of a 7/11-branded payphone fulfils my needs?" Oct 03 14:10:01 *cough* Oct 03 14:10:05 SpeedEvil: for instance. I have 2 microusb dumb chargers. 1 nokia, 1 ///. the /// one works, not the nokia. I have 1 usb car charger. I can charge everything except the n900 with it. Oct 03 14:10:21 //? Oct 03 14:10:25 ///? Oct 03 14:10:34 /// = ericsson Oct 03 14:10:41 You have an adidas phone charger? Oct 03 14:10:41 Oh Oct 03 14:10:51 the usb charger will not work with N900 due to missing D+/- short Oct 03 14:11:11 crashanddie: thats exactly how my n900 behaves! like a spoiled brat Oct 03 14:12:05 when the genuine Nokia charger doesn't work, that's most likely a broken charger then (got one here as well) Oct 03 14:12:21 * MohammadAG curses Israeli shipping services Oct 03 14:12:30 moo moh Oct 03 14:12:32 DocScrutinizer: oh, I see. is it possible to remove the chock in SW? or is it hardwired? Oct 03 14:12:45 hardwired mostly Oct 03 14:12:57 okay. so I need to solder. Oct 03 14:13:13 that's what I did to my noname USB chargers Oct 03 14:13:26 Departed Facility in TEL AVIV - ISRAEL Oct 03 14:13:30 cool Oct 03 14:13:45 MohammadAG: spare 950? Oct 03 14:14:01 DocScrutinizer: I thought the dumb chargers had the short. Oct 03 14:14:10 "Departed facility"?? Oct 03 14:14:12 most don't Oct 03 14:14:16 That sounds like a morgue! Oct 03 14:14:19 DocScrutinizer, no, my N950 Oct 03 14:14:26 aah Oct 03 14:14:31 moo MohammadAG Oct 03 14:14:35 how's it going? Oct 03 14:14:36 it's going back Oct 03 14:14:40 lol Oct 03 14:14:40 moo crashanddie Oct 03 14:15:04 this short dialog was kinda funny Oct 03 14:15:08 Itake it the n950 is as elusive as ever Oct 03 14:15:14 lag might've made my answer stupid Oct 03 14:16:03 crashanddie, having trouble serializing / sending /deserializing stuff Oct 03 14:16:08 we are smart, we rearranged the packages according to their pkg seq number ;-D Oct 03 14:16:08 that's pretty much it :P Oct 03 14:16:14 MohammadAG, language? Oct 03 14:16:23 Qt/C++ Oct 03 14:16:48 I need to serialize a QMap, send it over a QBluetoothSocket, then deserialize it on the receiver Oct 03 14:17:05 Why the QBluetoothSocket? Oct 03 14:17:27 remember that bluetooth messenger thing we discussed? Oct 03 14:17:35 I had it implemented with simple QStrings at first Oct 03 14:17:39 but then that got nasty Oct 03 14:17:58 so I started a dictionary (QMap) implementation Oct 03 14:18:14 the map holds the message type, the sender name, the message itself, and an optional avatar Oct 03 14:18:34 And you write the map over the wire directly? Oct 03 14:18:47 no, I serialize it to a QByteArray first Oct 03 14:19:43 * DocScrutinizer feels like CS became black magic since he had a look last time Oct 03 14:20:10 and, what do you get on the other side? Oct 03 14:20:30 a null QMap Oct 03 14:20:32 http://pastebin.com/mfDUVK6a Oct 03 14:20:43 well, and a null QByteArray Oct 03 14:21:04 the sending part seems fine, but the reading is the one I'm not sure about Oct 03 14:21:16 go back to basics Oct 03 14:21:19 send an int, read an int Oct 03 14:21:25 :-P Oct 03 14:21:56 this being said Oct 03 14:22:08 using a QMap is probably one of the worst ways to encode your message Oct 03 14:22:25 what's a better way? Oct 03 14:22:39 I wanted a QObject, but those can't be serialized Oct 03 14:22:47 Well, the best way is to have an IDL, that allows you to automatically generate your classes Oct 03 14:22:55 IDL? Oct 03 14:23:00 http://pastebin.com/FqKRVM0y <-- reading part Oct 03 14:23:02 Interface Description Language Oct 03 14:23:38 Basically, if I were you, I'd look into Google Data Protocol Oct 03 14:23:46 It might be overkill seeing the size of this project Oct 03 14:23:54 it is :P Oct 03 14:23:56 * DocScrutinizer is used to defining a protocol and sending "plain text" then Oct 03 14:24:09 but those are really the kind of tools you want to look at if you're to start doing serious network-level applications Oct 03 14:24:32 plus, GDP encoder/parser will run circles around Qt's serialisation Oct 03 14:24:35 MohammadAG, the canReadLine() and readLine() seem wrong Oct 03 14:24:46 inz, yeah, that's what I'm thinking Oct 03 14:24:52 but I'm not sure what else to use Oct 03 14:26:15 MohammadAG, is your socket in listeningstate? Oct 03 14:26:28 yes Oct 03 14:26:28 I'm not entirely sure, but maybe you could have a persistent QDataStream for the socket and just read with >> from it. Oct 03 14:26:36 or connected? Oct 03 14:26:44 uh, I'm lost Oct 03 14:26:47 the slot Oct 03 14:26:52 's called on readyRead() Oct 03 14:27:27 MohammadAG, also, you might want to look at socketDescriptor() Oct 03 14:27:40 and simply grab a BSD socket descriptor, and use that for subsequent transactions Oct 03 14:28:55 And also, you did create your socket and do all the connectToServer() stuff with a read/write status, yes? Oct 03 14:29:04 s/status/state/g Oct 03 14:29:05 crashanddie meant: And also, you did create your socket and do all the connectToServer() stuff with a read/write state, yes? Oct 03 14:29:41 s/Server/Service/ Oct 03 14:29:41 crashanddie meant: And also, you did create your socket and do all the connectToService() stuff with a read/write status, yes? Oct 03 14:30:00 crashanddie, yeah yeah, it's all getting sent Oct 03 14:30:06 but I think I'm messing up the reading part Oct 03 14:30:08 sent, yes Oct 03 14:30:14 and received Oct 03 14:30:17 ok Oct 03 14:30:26 but I think readLine() would read one line, not all the QByteArray Oct 03 14:30:42 readAll() would work better, but I'm not sure when I can know all the data was sent Oct 03 14:30:55 so you're not serialising :) Oct 03 14:30:58 yes, that's what readline usually does Oct 03 14:32:13 and for the "all sent" part you will need some ETX signalling done explicitly on sender side I'd guess Oct 03 14:32:57 receiver can't know from thin air when a chunk of transmission is complete, unless you tear down the connection Oct 03 14:35:26 on a sidenote: your if .. else if .. else if; is missing an else catchall. I'd rather use a case Oct 03 14:36:20 DocScrutinizer, it's not an enum Oct 03 14:36:46 are cases only valid for enum? Oct 03 14:36:55 think so Oct 03 14:36:56 or ints Oct 03 14:36:59 but not QStrings Oct 03 14:37:16 aaah QStrings, yeah prolly not Oct 03 14:38:59 add else {printf("wtf, how did I get here?"); return 10} Oct 03 14:40:19 and I'd think you need to read in array[i] per line, until your sender sends "ETX" Oct 03 14:41:12 a few debug printf for plain readline content would help a lot Oct 03 14:43:06 hmm Oct 03 14:50:35 honestly, when your channel QBluetoothSocket is a mere ascii/binary channel, then why not send a printf("%s\n%s\n%s\n", messageType, message, sender) and read exactly same back on rx side Oct 03 14:54:04 if messageType doesn't match one of the 3 allowed constants, your RX will exit the loop and reastart waiting for a valid messageType to be sent Oct 03 14:55:22 if messageType_is_valid then {read_message; read_sender} Oct 03 14:56:48 it's basically not a good idea to try and transfer Objects via a channel Oct 03 15:42:21 ~seen DocScrutinizer Oct 03 15:42:33 docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (12h 16m 31s) #harmattan (12h 16m 31s) #meego (12h 16m 31s) #openmoko (12h 16m 31s) #infobot (12h 16m 31s) #openmoko-cdevel (12h 16m 31s). Has said a total of 139 messages. Is idling for 45m 44s, last said: 'it's basically not a good idea to try and transfer Objects via a channel'. Oct 03 15:42:39 boooh! Oct 03 15:42:44 hi there Oct 03 15:42:50 hi Oct 03 15:43:12 ok, can you point ,me pls to where to read about why intel is not supporting meego anymore Oct 03 15:43:19 and what caused this Oct 03 15:44:57 I saw too many reports that dont answer these basic questions Oct 03 15:45:27 will gstreamer, pulse audio, evolution,qt survive? Oct 03 15:45:55 sure, they don't care about meego Oct 03 15:52:15 sorry, no idea about all that Oct 03 15:53:20 some ppl wrtie clear to read code Oct 03 15:53:41 MohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/10jgJsjY <-draft of a simpler version to send your data thru the channel Oct 03 15:55:28 DocScrutinizer, so how does the receiver identify what it's receiving? Oct 03 15:55:34 cityLights: the common notion about the whole tizen thing is it's a kick-in-the-balls for Nokia, regarding N9 just started shipping with "meego" and one day later meego is declared dead. At least for timing Oct 03 15:56:11 MohammadAG: the RX is waiting for a line that has any of the valid constants for messageType Oct 03 15:56:15 N9 doesnt appear in amazon/buy.com Oct 03 15:57:22 DocScrutinizer, receiver is receiving from 7+ devices Oct 03 15:57:35 but if you want to go for a more evaluated scheme, you want to wrap *all* messages with sth like "STX"

[..]"ETX" Oct 03 15:57:36 that means there's a crapload of race conditions Oct 03 15:57:50 plus I can't send an avatar that way Oct 03 15:58:43 all those concerns apply to your original concept as well, sure you need to take care about that - I have no idea what's the larger image of this small code snippet Oct 03 15:59:34 * slonopotamus wonders where the hell is his n800's wlan0 Oct 03 16:00:40 MohammadAG: sounds like you'll need some TCP-lite protocol stack then Oct 03 16:00:59 this is Rfcomm Oct 03 16:03:42 whatever it is, if you have multiple TX peers on that channel, you need to implement a protocol layer that encapsulates one msg pkg, and also tags it with source and possibly destination (unless all traffic is broadcast), and you'll want to add some CRC or other checksum, and possibly a ACK/NAK and retry management scheme, in case collisions crippled the transferred pkg Oct 03 16:07:06 basically you also should take care your payload never forms a valid msg pkg (incl header/trailer), so RX clients that got outa sync not erroneously sync on the payload part and take that as a full frame Oct 03 16:08:39 all this won't magically disappear by tying to "send QObjects through the channel" Oct 03 16:09:57 either your channel stack already has a layer that implements all this, or you need to take care about it "by hand" Oct 03 16:46:20 When I hold down a key on my N900, after a delay it erases the letter that was typed and replaces it with the symbol for that key as if I had pressed the Alt key. Is there any way I can shorten the delay to make the symbol show up faster? Oct 03 16:46:41 ~seen kwtm Oct 03 16:46:51 kwtm is currently on #maemo (1d 3h 33m 52s). Has said a total of 38 messages. Is idling for 11s, last said: '~seen kwtm'. Oct 03 16:55:10 !posix Oct 03 17:00:48 ~seen infobot Oct 03 17:00:52 infobot is currently on #utos (2d 23h 6m 36s) #asterisk-doc (2d 23h 6m 36s) #botpark (2d 23h 6m 36s) ##t42 (2d 23h 6m 36s) #maemo (2d 23h 6m 36s) #fredlug (2d 23h 6m 36s) ##ols (2d 23h 6m 36s) #asterisk-scf-dev (2d 23h 6m 36s) #flyspray (2d 23h 6m 36s) #asterisk-dev (2d 23h 6m 36s) #webos-internals (2d 23h 6m 36s) #opensimpad.org (2d 23h 6m 36s) #asterisk ... Oct 03 17:08:17 lol Oct 03 17:08:23 poor thing still beeing in opensimpad.org Oct 03 17:48:52 hello. is there a working time tracker with calendar history and categories? Oct 03 18:00:29 what do people usually do for changelogs in ported debian packages, when updating to a new debian version? Oct 03 18:00:56 up till now i've been keeping the maemo changes in the same changelog Oct 03 18:01:37 but now I'm wondering if I want to paste in the new debian changelog entries, or move to using a separate file, like changelog.maemo Oct 03 18:05:35 hello peeps , quick question how do i stop apt-get ugrade not installing nmap beta ... Oct 03 18:12:24 johnsu01: ubuntu tends to include "ubuntu" in the changelog version number, and treats debian as upstream. Oct 03 18:12:47 faina: yeah, I've got maemo in the version number Oct 03 18:13:51 I think I see them just doing things like "newversion-0ubuntu1" as the version and then saying new debian release in the comment Oct 03 18:47:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHJOz_y9rZE <-- amazing Oct 03 19:59:02 if proximity sensor is bad on one n900, can i switch it from another n900? Oct 03 19:59:37 i know the screen and digitizer but not sure about proximity sensor? Oct 03 20:02:09 Just trying again to see if anyone knows: When I hold down a key on my N900, after a delay it erases the letter that was typed and replaces it with the symbol for that key as if I had pressed the Alt key. Is there any way I can shorten the delay to make the symbol show up faster? Oct 03 20:04:23 some gconf maybe :/ Oct 03 20:04:59 ~joergtools Oct 03 20:05:12 ~jrtools Oct 03 20:05:12 [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 03 20:05:15 * Sicelo kicks infobot Oct 03 20:05:18 ah :) Oct 03 20:11:46 out Oct 03 20:22:56 so cool Oct 03 20:23:58 now nokia has rolling OS's strategy Oct 03 20:24:05 every half year new OS Oct 03 20:31:01 zogg_: new announcement you mean? Oct 03 20:36:55 Looks like despite Meego's situation, we're not going to be getting the Mer project back as an option for continuing Maemo :( They seem quite keen on continuing Meego's archetectural decisons. More Meego Reconstructed than Maemo Reconstructed now... Oct 03 20:38:01 ?? what's this? Oct 03 20:45:48 with all this OS clutter I'm thinking of simply putting Debian on the N900, and forget all about Maemo/Meego etc. and using a dumbphone I have lying around here for call support until it'll work properly on Debian. Since I barely use the phone functions this could probably indeed be an option for me and others assuming one is willing to tinker a "bit". :-) Oct 03 20:47:12 The way I see it, modern smartphones ARE computers, just with very limited power sources. Oct 03 20:47:50 NIN101: \0/ Oct 03 20:50:14 So a releationship with Debian is as simple as fixing the silly repo layout changes Nokia came up with and then forging a relationship with Debian similar to the one Ubuntu has, down to being integrated into Debian's package management system for tracking upstream/downstream changes. Oct 03 20:50:43 It's easy enough techically...the hard bit is, as ever, the human resource aspect. Oct 03 20:51:42 It's a dramatic simplification of the situation...but we're talking rough principles here ;) Oct 03 20:52:22 why not start with the currently extant maemo and then update from debian? Oct 03 20:52:39 (a lot like how ubuntu works these days) Oct 03 20:55:25 Because at least I don't want to deal with the maemo stuff on debian, I want newer libs for example, and the closed programs depend on ancient library versions. I want newer kernel versions etc. Oct 03 20:55:58 I'd suggest because we'll need to manage the repos...and having them as close to upstream (Debian) makes the transitions easier. I've never been that clear why Nokia arranged things as they did...some changes have seemed somewhat gratuitous in places. Oct 03 20:58:07 Debian's layout has served it well over the last 18 years, and it's got built-in support for so many archs. Oct 03 21:00:12 I'm not sure how different the maemo repository is when compared to debian? Other than they seem to have broken things into more repository tiers (e.g. extras extras-testing extra-devel) Oct 03 21:02:17 stable, testing, unstable (why rename them?) Oct 03 21:03:09 because they're aliases to the current releases? they're symlinks to the current releases Oct 03 21:03:30 debian releases are things like etch, lenny, etc. stable will point at them. Oct 03 21:04:32 Not sure if its better to do the ubuntu -- run a script to update to latest version, or what I remember of debian, at some point they throw the symlink and an apt-get upgrade will replace half your system. Oct 03 21:05:55 That's why you should use the release names in sources.list instead of the alias symlinks. It saves you from surprises Oct 03 21:07:03 Is there an inventory of how much of maemo is still closed source? I just learned about the cssu, and it seems like several large chunks have been replaced? Oct 03 21:07:39 Quite. I usually track testing though, so surprises are usually single-items like KDE3->4 Oct 03 21:07:51 Yes. Oct 03 21:08:58 http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages Oct 03 21:09:27 NIN101: thank you Oct 03 21:09:36 NIN101 found the link beofre me ;) Oct 03 21:11:07 is there a definition to the color code? Oct 03 21:11:41 I have vague plans to look at the rtcom stuff eventually. Oct 03 21:12:42 Updating the bluetooth stack'd be nice, there's a bug somewhere in it that's preventing syncevolution from working. Oct 03 21:12:52 I think red is license issues and green is open replacement Oct 03 21:13:42 Ah yes, they all say "LGPL" but no source. Oct 03 21:14:02 what announcement were you talking about earlier? what did nokia do this time Oct 03 21:19:40 my buddy couldn't fix it Oct 03 21:19:47 reflowing would melp plastic pieces around it Oct 03 21:19:50 is it recommended to install BackupMenu the first thing you do when you get the n900? I guess it is good to have if you "brick" the n900? Oct 03 21:19:50 melt Oct 03 21:19:54 Bwahaha. Maemo browser - open replacement: Fennec (with a ? though). Fennec is essentially unusable imo Oct 03 21:20:01 and there is 0 space to work with to get the connector on Oct 03 21:20:09 so i guess i will just ebay a new n900 Oct 03 21:20:10 that sucks Oct 03 21:21:01 yes hakkattakk. Oct 03 21:21:19 best approach actually, ssh too Oct 03 21:21:21 then the PowerKernel? After that the CSSU? Oct 03 21:21:42 *Kernel Power Oct 03 21:22:09 those are up to u. i'd say cssu has precedence over pk, depending on your needs Oct 03 21:22:12 :/ Oct 03 21:22:58 Ok, so I will install it in this order: BackupMenu, CSSU, Kernel Power Oct 03 21:23:08 Macer: :/ Oct 03 21:23:38 I guess that´s all the important stuff, after they are installed I can focus on the applications Oct 03 21:24:05 SpeedEvil: yeah suks Oct 03 21:24:08 i will have to ebay a new one Oct 03 21:24:09 :( Oct 03 21:24:16 one ebay seller is selling it for 299 Oct 03 21:24:19 with $50 for shipping! Oct 03 21:24:21 WTF?? Oct 03 21:24:25 oh my Oct 03 21:24:34 I bought mine for around 140$ with shipping Oct 03 21:24:35 even fed ex next day from the arctic doesn't cost that much Oct 03 21:24:44 i wanted a new one ;)) Oct 03 21:24:49 i'm a little weary of used ones Oct 03 21:24:53 ah, I see Oct 03 21:24:55 especially with usb ports breaking off the damn things Oct 03 21:24:56 I think ebay sellers make all their money off of shipping Oct 03 21:25:14 faina: that is retarded tho.. $50 is just unrealistic Oct 03 21:25:16