**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 09 02:59:57 2011 Oct 09 03:14:58 depressed, tried synchronising between two devices? Oct 09 03:58:16 hi.. Oct 09 03:58:23 got a new n900 :) Oct 09 03:58:50 congrats (even though its very rare to get a new N900) Oct 09 03:59:00 mine was brand-new Oct 09 03:59:27 they began to come to Paraguay (my country) roughly 1 year ago Oct 09 03:59:28 :) Oct 09 04:01:36 I love it Oct 09 04:01:49 too bad Nokia all but abandoned the device Oct 09 04:02:01 but that's the one I wanted... Oct 09 04:02:26 it is an endangered species, a great Linux-powered phone *with* a hardware keyboard. Oct 09 04:02:44 should take good care of it too, because they may never give you another N900 if you break it Oct 09 04:03:03 although N950 is even more rare but its a developers only device Oct 09 04:04:17 I plan to care for it. I know about the N950, but it's impossible for me to get one. Oct 09 04:04:43 I think its almost impossible for anyone to get one :) unless if they happen to steal it off someone else's hands Oct 09 04:05:09 I know. :S Oct 09 04:05:17 so it was N900 for me. Oct 09 04:05:36 it's amazing though, for being a 2009 device, it packs a lot of punch Oct 09 04:06:39 * hatake_kakashi has 3 of the suckers, know all too well about it ;) Oct 09 04:07:06 hey, that's great. Oct 09 04:07:21 they're expensive, though. I could just afford one, and barely Oct 09 04:07:52 hatake_kakashi: Tell me about the n950. Is it like the n900, or is it like the n9 which is quite different? Oct 09 04:07:55 they are somewhat expensive yes Oct 09 04:08:25 AFAIK it's a slightly different version of the N9 without NFC but with hardware keyboard Oct 09 04:09:01 kwtm, its more like N900 but with 1GHz processor and I think 512MB physical RAM, apart from that it has 16GB internal space and no NFC compared to N9. Maybe cannot even do pentaband.. the design of N950's shell looks like E7 Oct 09 04:09:35 interesting: just half of the N900's default storage. Oct 09 04:09:55 People wonder at the beast, they can't believe it has 32 GB and a microSD slot to spare. Oct 09 04:10:21 no mmc/sd upgradeability, no removeable batteries but the device still kicks ass because of its rarity and its physical capabilities Oct 09 04:10:23 ok. I see from the Wikipedia page that it's not for consumers, and thus for my own purposes (ie. using the thing, and not just tinkering with it) more bang for the buck to standardize on N900. Hope to be getting a 2nd N900 soon. Oct 09 04:11:14 kwtm, only lucky Qt developers can get their hands on one, maybe even some of the nokia forum champions could apply for one. I was one of the unfortunate ones that didn't get it Oct 09 04:11:36 I have some very basic questions about the N900, please bear with my newbieness Oct 09 04:11:56 sombragris, it'll be even insane when you add another 32GB class10 to that N900 ;) I have in two of mine already Oct 09 04:12:14 oh my :) Oct 09 04:12:22 how much do they cost? Oct 09 04:12:28 depends on brand Oct 09 04:13:30 one of my questions is: how can I upload a ringtone? This means: 1) what audio formats are acceptable, and 2) which is the directory where such audio file should be placed? Oct 09 04:13:34 I wouldn't buy any brand that doesn't offer lifetime warranty neither would I fork out several hundred for just a small piece of card Oct 09 04:14:06 I see Oct 09 04:14:12 what about kingston ? Oct 09 04:14:17 there's three ways to upload a ringtone, 1) USB mass storage mode/PC suite mode (windows/mac only), 2) through wifi and SSH, 3) bluetooth Oct 09 04:14:50 normally music/ringtones are placed in /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds where they get indexed by trackerd (for music player, etc) Oct 09 04:15:06 I've heard mixed reviews about kingston, of a few of which were bad Oct 09 04:16:03 The type of ringtone that its restricted to is the same format as the type of music format its restricted to. I　think exotic formats like ogg, flac, etc aren't supported by default without one installing extra-decoders support Oct 09 04:16:38 mid/midi format isn't supported by default without one installing things like wildmidi + goemon tarball (which is a lot better than freepats version) Oct 09 04:16:39 so it is mp3 then Oct 09 04:16:59 yup mp3 is widely supported Oct 09 04:17:02 no, in fact I just plan to put an mp3 or ogg Oct 09 04:17:30 I'm not sure if ogg is supported, it might be out of the box but its not hard to install extra-decoders support either Oct 09 04:17:39 yes, I see Oct 09 04:18:19 btw, which is a good media player (i.e. something that doesn stutter when you tap the screen or do something else. That would ban SMPlayer, for example) Oct 09 04:18:23 when you connect it through mass storage mode, you don't need to worry about creating directories like /home/user/MyDocs, because that is the default directory that will be exported once you enable mass storage mode Oct 09 04:19:21 its hard to say which is a good media player, the default one is fairly good in terms of all round performance when one has PR1.3 installed Oct 09 04:19:56 smplayer depends on mplayer which I don't think is included in extras repo, you may need to enable extras-{testing,devel} Oct 09 04:20:24 I installed the latest update so it must be that one. I just would like to have access to equalizer or other formats Oct 09 04:20:44 I already got mplayer. Works very well from the console. Oct 09 04:22:07 heh equaliser is not easily accessible with the standard mediaplayer Oct 09 04:23:04 :) Oct 09 04:23:24 it is possible to get compilers on the N900, or all compilation has to be done in a cross-compiler ? Oct 09 04:25:24 you can get compilers for N900 if you want to do development work on N900 itself, there's two ways of going about on it should you choose this route. One is by butchering your rootfs setup (which is what I did, not ideal), the other is running it all in chroot environment (recommended by most people, and you won't butcher your rootfs like I did). Though for larger programs, etc it might be better to do it with cross-compiler known as scratchbox Oct 09 04:26:20 ok Oct 09 04:27:54 I personally would much prefer doing compiling work through cross-compiler as: 1) the keyboard on a normal computer is generally better to work with, 2) I wouldn't risk shortening the life of my ARM　CPU because the device comes out of manufacturer as overclocked when going at maximum speed Oct 09 04:28:23 ahh ok Oct 09 04:29:44 in my wild dreams I thought of having a TeX setup for doing on-the-spot presentations Oct 09 04:29:51 but I thing that'll have to wait Oct 09 04:32:59 although a few people still do development work on N900 itself, its just me being paranoid over the life of my devices :) Oct 09 04:34:55 :) Oct 09 04:34:59 it's a good suggestion Oct 09 04:37:31 and there are those who overclock their N900 as well -_- Oct 09 04:37:40 oh my Oct 09 04:37:47 I wouldn' do that, I think Oct 09 04:38:57 I would never do that, ever. I've seen numerous threads of people saying they have problems with this and that. I asked them if they have overclocked, and they said yes. It makes me wonder if there's a strong correlation between the two, overclocking and device behaving erratically Oct 09 04:39:44 in fact, I dont have problems with the device speed Oct 09 04:39:50 ... so far ;) Oct 09 04:40:39 its a 2 year old device since it was first conceived, 2 years ago it would have been classed as a beast. Oct 09 04:43:03 it still is, when people see it multitasking without a hiccup and with 32 GB of storage, they wonder if it's some kind of secret Nokia prototype Oct 09 04:43:44 the only traits that tell its age are the CPU speed (not so fast for today's standards) and the thickness of the device Oct 09 04:50:51 heh talking about the thickness of the device, you reminded me of some people tried to mock a N900 owner for carrying a brick. The people mocked the owner were all doing various stuff on their other smartphones whilst connected to wifi and the N900 owner secretly tapped a few words into his device making all these other owner's smartphones disconnected from that wireless AP Oct 09 04:51:54 lol :) Oct 09 04:52:31 source: http://www.knownokia.ca/2010/09/quiet-response-to-n900-laughs.html Oct 09 04:53:06 also N900 isn't quite as bulky until you start putting it into otterbox commuter case or doing that 3000mAH battery mod Oct 09 04:53:34 lol :) Oct 09 04:58:56 just read the link Oct 09 04:59:00 beautiful :) Oct 09 05:12:40 there's a sad thing: ovi maps do not work for me Oct 09 05:12:50 cannot get the street detail Oct 09 05:13:19 do you have network connectivity for that N900 and is the N900 using network connection? Oct 09 05:18:59 all I get is the Wifi I leech Oct 09 05:19:05 I got wifi here, at home Oct 09 05:19:41 but I don't have a 3G cell phone data connection, if that's what you're asking Oct 09 05:20:59 my SIM card is just a prepaid card, as is the case with most people here Oct 09 05:21:21 3G connections tie you to a contract and it is usally expensive Oct 09 05:24:24 well it doesn't matter all that much about having a 3G connection (although its ideal). I'm guessing if its using your home wifi, its downloaded maps for your location and you still don't get street detail. I guess ovi maps is outdated Oct 09 05:30:14 3G is only 10 bucks / month Oct 09 05:30:20 120 a year + tax Oct 09 05:33:28 ensoe: where? Oct 09 05:33:45 US, with T-Mobile. the "dumb-phone" plan but still works 3.5G just fine Oct 09 05:34:45 ensoe: i'm in Paraguay Oct 09 05:34:46 :S Oct 09 05:34:57 slightly different rules apply Oct 09 05:35:19 how can I force a re-download in case that it would be possible ? Oct 09 05:40:56 download the maps? Oct 09 05:54:08 yes Oct 09 05:54:18 I got some very coarse maps Oct 09 05:54:24 nothink like street -level Oct 09 05:54:25 :S Oct 09 05:55:41 you might need to try some other maps application, there's a fair few alternatives out there Oct 09 05:56:32 which ones? Oct 09 05:56:50 now.. as an aside Oct 09 05:57:15 I visited maps.nokia.com, and it's perfect. It gets perfect detail on my zone. I'm just baffled I can't integrate it with my gps :S Oct 09 05:57:44 skype sells n900s :) Oct 09 05:57:45 lol Oct 09 05:57:54 $420 Oct 09 05:59:48 sombragris, cloudgps, geeps, mappero, marble and snuggle Oct 09 06:04:27 hatake_kakashi: thank you.. where I could get those? marble, I know that I can get it on maemo.org, but what about the others? Oct 09 06:05:57 sombragris, same story Oct 09 06:06:13 most likely just off different repositories Oct 09 06:10:54 ok :) Oct 09 06:10:57 thank you Oct 09 06:22:29 hatake_kakashi: Lol (re that story), although.. “Here, let me just open up Firefox…" (on the N900) is a joke in itself Oct 09 06:23:44 "Let me tap that firefox icon and hope it will open in a minute or so" would be more appropriate. On N900 firefox s the slowest browser you can have by factors Oct 09 06:24:42 amiconn, I agree but I think that was deliberately mentioned to compensate for those who don't know what microB is and confuses browser with something like windows explorer or finder Oct 09 06:25:28 * amiconn uses opera mobile most of the time, because it's the fastest and because it has text reflow when zooming Oct 09 06:26:02 I only use microb when I need flash, or for visiting ovi store Oct 09 06:38:41 I don't really see anything on the ovi store :S Oct 09 06:43:43 from the browser? Oct 09 06:46:59 this looks awesome http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/kobayashi/ . is there something similar for maemo 5? Oct 09 07:04:33 hatake_kakashi : yes, I mean, I can see some apps, such as BlessN900, but there's not much apps there. Maemo.org looks way more interesting :) Oct 09 07:06:34 sombragris, that's because ovi store is full of fail :) no really ovi has been beta for several years and it has done nothing more than piss developers off Oct 09 07:08:21 I see Oct 09 07:08:37 thanks for the mapps apps, I think cloudgps fits the bill nicely Oct 09 07:08:57 too bad no one works with maps.nokia.com, because it oddly gives the best mapping there Oct 09 07:09:18 the second-best would be google maps Oct 09 07:09:28 but it operates in an online.only fashion Oct 09 07:10:40 maps.nokia.com is no longer the greatest one because they hardly update theirs and plus the SUPL server intermittently works Oct 09 07:11:48 ok Oct 09 07:11:51 well Oct 09 07:11:56 gotta go catch some sleep Oct 09 07:11:58 thank you Oct 09 07:12:00 g'night Oct 09 07:12:02 bye! Oct 09 10:00:34 the important question here Oct 09 10:00:39 + is Oct 09 10:00:43 will the n9 have a terminal? :D Oct 09 10:00:52 it does Oct 09 10:01:42 its not a matter of will anymore, apparently its already released in some countries. I think my country is listed to already be released Oct 09 10:02:00 oh btw Oct 09 10:02:32 nokia's site mentioned that the n9 has a dualcore procssor Oct 09 10:02:40 that's lies Oct 09 10:02:52 yeah i know Oct 09 10:02:54 let me find it Oct 09 10:02:54 err that's a lie* Oct 09 10:03:27 i don't know if it's only on the finnish page Oct 09 10:04:10 http://ensikosketus.nokia.fi/ "ominaisuus 24/28" says "joka hyödyntää tehokkaasti laitteen tuplaydinprosessoria" => "which utilizes the devices dual core processor effectively" Oct 09 10:09:28 is there a list of apps for the n9? Oct 09 10:09:29 appstore stuff Oct 09 10:15:41 maybe this? http://nokiagadgets.com/?cat=265 Oct 09 10:25:44 It's not 100% wrong Oct 09 10:25:51 the processor does have several cores Oct 09 10:26:02 It's just not several binary compatible cores Oct 09 10:27:53 like the omap 3430 found on N900?　:) Oct 09 10:32:23 http://boingboing.net/2011/10/08/wipo-boss-the-web-would-have-been-better-if-it-was-patented-and-its-users-had-to-pay-license-fees.html Oct 09 10:34:49 muhahaha Oct 09 10:36:44 one thing's for sure: if it was that way, there'd be no wipo boss generated bullshit on any web for everybody to read it Oct 09 10:37:34 btw that's the reason why AOL was such a great success ;-P Oct 09 10:38:22 how to setlayout from a sh script? Oct 09 10:38:35 oh, wrong channel, plz ignore me... Oct 09 10:40:58 oh hai Oct 09 10:41:26 I'll get my N9 next week, where can i find the stock images for reflashing it? Oct 09 10:45:18 /dev/random Oct 09 11:13:36 lol Oct 09 11:14:56 the dawn of the end of fremantle? As in "Welcome to #maemo (now meego)" Oct 09 11:15:46 or ruthlessly forward all harmattan related questions to #harmattan ? Oct 09 11:18:32 DocScrutinizer, that's a harmattan question! Ask it in #harmattan! Oct 09 11:18:45 thanks :-D Oct 09 11:24:54 Rsyncing many GB to my new N900's MyDocs over USB, please wait. Oct 09 13:41:42 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-lwSdyZrT658/TpGej9mtM2I/AAAAAAAABx0/CHlL5zrts2A/s800/IMG_0422.JPG Oct 09 13:43:45 volume down to what exactly? Oct 09 13:47:03 DocScrutinizer - see above image Oct 09 13:47:53 SpeedEvil: ? Oct 09 13:48:44 OMG Oct 09 13:48:49 MohammadAG: The charging stuff on this N900 was completely busted. Oct 09 13:49:01 I'm just using the switch as a small earth. Oct 09 13:49:32 The chip is an LTC4054 Oct 09 13:49:41 Single chip lipo charger. Oct 09 13:51:34 1.5V drop * 900mA - SURE! Oct 09 13:52:45 but wait, I suppose it's a switching regulator, with the choke integrated on die Oct 09 13:53:16 No choke, but yes - it's not linear. Oct 09 13:53:53 Is it going to an external 'docking connector' ? Oct 09 13:53:59 cool, all new concept, a non linear regulator without any chokes Oct 09 13:54:14 ... capacitor... Oct 09 13:54:25 lol Oct 09 13:54:46 Anyway. I'm using the part as specified in the datasheet ;) Oct 09 13:55:15 And charging at ~250mA or so. Oct 09 13:55:23 aaah Oct 09 13:56:17 * DocScrutinizer shrugs and returns to TV Oct 09 14:17:16 a /blue/ board> Oct 09 15:42:58 a what? Oct 09 15:51:40 im having trouble with the qt creator in the current qtsdk. i have a project setup like this (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2288292/qmake-project-dependencies-linked-libraries) with libs (static) and main in a subfolder template, but when deploying to the n900, it copies the .a, .a.1, .a.1.0 etc to the device (which makes no sense, they are statically linked). this seems like a bug. within the proj-settings, it says to edit the project file for removal Oct 09 15:51:43 of those entries, but i cant seem to find the right file. anybody had similiar issues? sorry for crossposts Oct 09 17:02:43 x29a: I guess qt creator never been meant to deal with statically linked libs Oct 09 17:03:47 or maybe the option been planned for but never really tested Oct 09 17:04:23 i see Oct 09 17:04:50 i added a pre-deploy step script which puts the files where they are expected, dirty and hardcoded, but dont have the ressources to deal with it Oct 09 17:04:59 thanks for getting back to me though Oct 09 17:05:45 x29a, what was your question? Oct 09 17:05:51 why do you link statically after all? Oct 09 17:05:52 x29a, sorry I haven't been around Oct 09 17:06:06 docscrutinizer: its a huge project Oct 09 17:06:32 hmm, how's that related to static linked libs? Oct 09 17:06:39 x29a, Qt Creator can definitely deal with static linking, same way as it deals with any other libs. Oct 09 17:07:02 in fact, Qt Creator just entrusts this task to GCC Oct 09 17:07:11 Venemo: x29a clearly described the problem Oct 09 17:09:36 and aiui it's not a gcc related issue, rather a packaging issue Oct 09 17:10:53 Is oreos here? Oct 09 17:11:18 mhmm Oct 09 17:11:22 ok DocScrutinizer Oct 09 17:11:27 Ah, guess not. Never mind. Oct 09 17:11:31 ~seen oreos Oct 09 17:11:39 i haven't seen 'oreos', Venemo Oct 09 17:11:47 Well, psycho_oreos Oct 09 17:11:51 ~seen psycho_oreos Oct 09 17:11:52 psycho_oreos <~no@115.131.16.98> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 6h 56m 14s ago, saying: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folder_%28computing%29'. Oct 09 17:11:59 But not to worry, he's not here anyhow. Oct 09 17:13:14 Doc, I found out what the cause of my screen woes was. Oct 09 17:13:37 * DocScrutinizer just wonders why static linking, iirc I've never seen this being done in any other project, except for *very* special cases like initd or skype or... Oct 09 17:13:45 Side lock switch had wonky joints, and the metal casing was loose. Sorted both, all fine now. Oct 09 17:14:06 CableTwitch: cool Oct 09 17:14:39 First time I've fixed a broken N900 that WASN'T a software screwup Oct 09 17:14:50 Hardware, I can deal with. Oct 09 17:15:10 :D Oct 09 17:15:16 I see :-) Oct 09 17:15:59 Venemo: sry, been distracted by the doorbell, scenario is the following: topproject implemented with subdirs template, then one static lib and the main app. link Oct 09 17:16:01 argh Oct 09 17:16:14 x29a, mhmm Oct 09 17:16:40 Ahh, witchcraft. Oct 09 17:16:42 linking works, no problem, the app also works, but when hitting the run/deploy button, it tries to copy the lib.a (plus the lib.a.1, lib.a.1.0, etc) to the device Oct 09 17:16:55 of course, they dont exist and copying static libs to the device makes no sense Oct 09 17:17:50 I guess there's a file list or regex somewhere to exclude files from installing them to device - find and fix it ;-D Oct 09 17:17:58 since the program works, linking and the gcc part are fine, its more a qtcreator/qmake issue. i played with INSTALLS and TARGETS, but i cant find a setting to avoid the copying. also, in the .pro.user, i find the references to lib.a.1, etc but it gets generated by the qt creator Oct 09 17:19:13 x29a, hmm Oct 09 17:19:19 I gather it's not installing any souce or .o either, due to that regex. Add .a Oct 09 17:19:20 docscrutinizer: very likely, but all the deploy/copy to device steps are very closed (no details, or settings), the project settings show the files, but i cant delete them Oct 09 17:19:37 ummm Oct 09 17:20:27 x29a, what happens if you try putting INSTALLS=target to the end of your .pro file. Oct 09 17:20:38 maybe deploy simply can't handle that case. Oct 09 17:20:39 It explodes. Oct 09 17:21:45 after all a statically linked executable needs no special deploy usually, as the whole purpose is to have one self-enclosed binary that just needs copying to target Oct 09 17:21:45 Venemo: thats where it resides right now Oct 09 17:21:55 also played with the order of target.path etc Oct 09 17:22:00 http://i.imgur.com/rkaoD.png this is the evil dialog Oct 09 17:22:40 docscrutinizer: good point, maybe i could open the subprojects themselve and remove all references to deployment Oct 09 17:22:47 x29a, either add the '-after INSTALLS=target' to your qmake command line parameters (resides on the other tab of the same evil dialog), or put the same thing into your pro file Oct 09 17:23:13 x29a, indeed, remove all deployment for the subprojects you don't wanna deploy. that shoud be obvious. Oct 09 17:24:12 Venemo: i assume, qtcreator adds deploy information to subprojects on its own Oct 09 17:24:51 x29a, I dunno, but you should check your .pro and .pri files Oct 09 17:24:55 fringe case - support and QA questionable Oct 09 17:25:36 * DocScrutinizer still misses the point in statically linking that "huge project" Oct 09 17:26:23 DocScrutinizer ++ Oct 09 17:27:12 docscrutinizer: alternative would be, to directly link against the .o, but then youd have to distribute compiled output or build it everytime, right? Oct 09 17:27:32 err Oct 09 17:27:34 dynamic linking involves too much deployment overhead (copy to PATH etc) and its too specialised Oct 09 17:27:49 maybe i dont get the question, sorry Oct 09 17:28:06 why don't you have just a single project? Oct 09 17:28:24 multiple people working on it, its like modules Oct 09 17:28:28 linking several .o seems pretty standard procedure, I don't see the issue - you deploy the binary anyway Oct 09 17:29:12 it feels more seperated this way though Oct 09 17:29:22 and yes, building every time (only if sth changed) is best practice Oct 09 17:29:33 Venemo: if there is a target.path reference, itll try to deploy? Oct 09 17:30:22 x29a, yes Oct 09 17:30:38 docscrutinizer: in case the maintainer wants to change to that approach, as far as i see, he just uses the sourcecode in his big .pro/qmake file, right? Oct 09 17:30:54 it's actually not guaranteed at all that .o from a alien arch work flawlessly, and I guess same applies for .a Oct 09 17:31:05 if you have a line 'INSTALLS += xy' and 'xy.path = /a/path/' line, then it will try to deploy that. Oct 09 17:33:03 x29a: I think this static linking resp local static libs is a valid but *very* unusual approach Oct 09 17:33:23 Static linking increases memory use. Oct 09 17:33:29 If the libs are shared. Oct 09 17:33:38 they aren't here aiui Oct 09 17:33:58 ~aiui Oct 09 17:33:58 methinks aiui is As I Understand It Oct 09 17:34:05 so it's probably a mixed static & dynamic libs design Oct 09 17:34:11 so nice to learn something new every day. Oct 09 17:34:38 and that's even more exotic than plain static linking Oct 09 17:35:07 or it actually links completely static and wases lots of resources on that Oct 09 17:35:20 wasts Oct 09 17:36:21 plus overhead for installing the libs as (possibly local) .so is negligible Oct 09 17:40:35 http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html man ld-linux|less +'/$ORIGIN and rpath' Oct 09 17:41:41 man ld-linux|less +"/$ORIGIN and rpath" Oct 09 17:41:44 actually Oct 09 17:42:04 meh Oct 09 17:42:11 man ld-linux|less +"/ORIGIN and rpath" Oct 09 17:42:18 X-/ Oct 09 18:00:51 hi all Oct 09 18:01:16 i'm searching maemo-cssu channel.... does not exist ? Oct 09 18:01:37 Anyone with n810 have any idea why my device will not connect to wireless after using macchanger? If MAC is set back to original, it works fine. I have gone through the router and made it "forget" this device and still no connection. Oct 09 18:02:38 TNZ_: it's called #maemo-ssu Oct 09 18:03:15 oka, looking for it ... thx Oct 09 18:05:16 nevermind, I think I found the problem. Oct 09 18:07:20 I'm trying to find a workaround for the Wayfinder Map program on n810 (besides navit). I bought a license for it and for the last 1.5 years of the 3 year license I couldn't get it working, Wayfinder went kaput. Oct 09 18:13:35 The wayfinder license server is down I think... Oct 09 18:13:47 Permanently probably Oct 09 18:13:56 hmm Oct 09 18:14:02 how can i find out if my gps is broken? Oct 09 18:14:06 I've been using navit, but am trying to get the old Wayfinder working again Oct 09 18:14:11 maps/ecoach can't find a signal Oct 09 18:14:20 i'm outdoors, connected to 3G, and using A-GPS Oct 09 18:14:29 navit is great at routing, but searching for addresses and POIs needs much work Oct 09 18:14:32 it just worked and the next day it didnt Oct 09 18:27:30 :< Oct 09 18:28:37 read some topic Oct 09 18:28:45 it said i should change supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com Oct 09 18:28:47 i'll try that Oct 09 18:30:07 yep, locked no problems Oct 09 18:35:27 yeah, nokia has a tendency to fsck up supl.nokia.com for all platforms after max 18 months. Same for A-GPS on diablo Oct 09 18:36:28 probably somebody should sue them outa their pants, as warranty in EU is 24 months and you still can buy new N900 Oct 09 18:37:43 so if I buy a new N900 tomorrow, I *expect* supl.nokia.com and GPS to work flawlessly for the next 24 months AT LEAST Oct 09 18:39:13 evidently opening tickets for it doesn't help, so only thing left to do is start a case at court Oct 09 18:39:17 using unauthorized por11 Oct 09 18:39:27 sorry, wrong window Oct 09 18:40:49 DocScrutinizer, I might provide a dumb metapackage that switches to supl.google.com in the CSSU Oct 09 18:41:16 GPS didn't get a lock in 10 minutes, then I remembered the supl.nokia issue Oct 09 18:41:49 argh Oct 09 18:41:57 i'm using kamils batterypatch and speedpatch Oct 09 18:42:09 and his overclocking keeps defaulting mine Oct 09 18:42:26 then remove the "patch" Oct 09 18:42:29 i removed his profile and made a copy of mine with that name, and made mine default with "kernel-config default bindi" but nothing Oct 09 18:42:33 well it seems to work wonders :p Oct 09 18:42:35 MohammadAG: we're fine with that on CSSU, but for stock I'd raher expect NOKIA to provide the services they build on. That's one of the major concerns about whole aegis fsck btw - in 12 months Nokia decides OVI store isn't worth any mor emaintenance and whole N9/HARM is screwed Oct 09 18:44:54 DocScrutinizer, isn't it screwed right now? Oct 09 18:45:26 Moo all Oct 09 18:45:32 Howare things today? Oct 09 18:45:37 I wonder if the metapackage should say something about switching to google's servers Oct 09 18:47:22 Doc:supl.nokia.com gone for good now? Oct 09 18:47:35 works fine on Symbian phones RST38h Oct 09 18:47:45 they just borked it on maemo Oct 09 18:49:05 How interesting... Is it possible at all? =) Oct 09 18:49:41 probably :P Oct 09 18:49:49 it works fine on my N86 Oct 09 18:50:41 Weird shit. I thought the whole supl thing was standardized... Oct 09 18:51:04 * RST38h switched to supl.google.com though, a week or so ago, after failing to get a fix via supl.nokia.com Oct 09 18:56:43 MohammadAG: why META? Oct 09 18:57:09 RST38h: seems the indications sum up, yeah Oct 09 18:58:43 DocScrutinizer, cause it's just a postinst Oct 09 18:58:44 MohammadAG: well, there's for sure nothing wrong with a normal NULL pkg to switch supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com (analog to *#-ena) Oct 09 18:59:07 DocScrutinizer, yeah, but the user should be aware Oct 09 18:59:13 sure Oct 09 18:59:22 especially with people being paranoid about google Oct 09 19:00:25 there's a package name, a pkg-beautyname, and a pkg description - that should suffice for such a harmless non-invasive config change Oct 09 19:01:18 for CSSU I'd think we *might* consider installing it by default Oct 09 19:01:58 there's some sort of readme anyway for CSSU Oct 09 19:03:30 but honestly I'm pissed about Nokia again doing the "let's mess it up" dance for supl Oct 09 19:20:22 MohammadAG: otoh I honestly doubt a pkg is worth the effort for a setting that's easily done by the worst noob out there, when provided 2 sentences of instructions Oct 09 19:22:22 sentence #1: "open settings, open location in settings." #2: "in "location server:" change "supl.nokia.com" to "supl.google.com" " Oct 09 19:26:51 I guess I'd already finish testing GPS functionality the moment HAM would have gone halfway thru updating extras-devel repo Oct 09 19:55:58 what's this supl thing? Oct 09 20:04:31 GPS assistance Oct 09 20:08:49 Venemo: without the INSTALLS in my libs, it tries to copy them to '' on the device, aaah, i dont get it Oct 09 20:09:49 x29a :( Oct 09 20:13:47 what would -after INSTALLS=target do exactly? Oct 09 20:14:21 or could i simply include the libs .pro file in the main.pro so it gets built? Oct 09 20:35:42 hell, if you include it into your build chain then why the heck do you need it to be a local static lib? a simple .o wouldn't behave *any* different Oct 09 20:37:26 * DocScrutinizer completely fails to see why a lib.a is needed when it "gets built" anyway. Oct 09 20:43:13 I thought you planned to share the binary between several developers, so you get the questionable benefit of not needing to compile it locally. If you compile locally anyway ("get built") then there's definitely no rationale at all to make this a lib.a - just build a friggin standard .o and keep that binary for linking on your next compiler run. You're aware the whole purpose of make is to avoid compilation of unchanged .o, so you're not Oct 09 20:43:15 going to build the complete project each time you change a single bit in a small sourcecode file, are you? Oct 09 20:49:40 hmhm, there's a syncml client obex channel on n900 by default Oct 09 20:49:49 that's interesting, though I can't understand how to use it Oct 09 20:52:41 I think e.g. BT contacts export/import is using it Oct 09 20:53:33 I might be wrong though Oct 09 20:54:13 hmhm, the contact export function is only by exporting vcard on a local folder afaict Oct 09 20:54:35 there's also the phone book profile Oct 09 20:54:44 but yeah, for import that'd work Oct 09 20:54:48 phone book profile? Oct 09 20:55:00 the one for cars with built in phonebooks Oct 09 20:55:12 the car fetches your phone book when you connect Oct 09 20:55:28 never worked for me, even with the patched package Oct 09 20:55:38 * MohammadAG blames the Windows CE based car system Oct 09 20:55:38 ok Oct 09 20:56:10 I'm puzzled why I can use syncml from my t61 laptop and not from my x201s, it says connection refused each time Oct 09 20:56:16 with the same config :/ Oct 09 21:01:02 well, if there's no other diffs, there's still a different BT firmware I guess, unless you are using the same BT dongle on both Oct 09 21:02:11 (export only for vcards) hmm, somehow N9 manages to save contacts to N900 and get it back from there Oct 09 21:02:52 s/it back/tnem back/ Oct 09 21:02:52 DocScrutinizer meant: (export only for vcards) hmm, somehow N9 manages to save contacts to N900 and get tnem back from there Oct 09 21:02:57 I love and hate how the N9 doesn't actually merge contacts Oct 09 21:03:06 (you can unmerge them back, positive) Oct 09 21:03:17 (the raw .vcf file is unmreged, negative) Oct 09 21:04:20 I guess it's once again thoroughly messed up, as usual - and of course closed as usual Oct 09 21:04:40 anyway ->#harmattan Oct 09 21:05:05 * RST38h does not understand why we should keep harmattan discussion separate Oct 09 21:05:23 RST38h, Aegis prevents outside discussion Oct 09 21:05:40 * DocScrutinizer doesn't see how harmattan discussion would help a bit on fremantle/diablo themes Oct 09 21:05:52 Mohammad: Ahhaha :) Oct 09 21:06:29 * RST38h no longer sees any Diablo around which btw is sad Oct 09 21:06:56 nah, it's quite to the point: due to aegis QML is basically the only 'working' development environment on HARM, and afaik we got no QML on fremantle Oct 09 21:07:17 * RST38h would not call QML "working", in its current state Oct 09 21:07:27 Anyway, basic Qt also works for me Oct 09 21:07:29 that's why the " are there Oct 09 21:07:31 And there is also SDL Oct 09 21:08:09 * RST38h just came by photos of Cardiff on Saturday night. Cthulhu, please, let me unsee this... Oct 09 21:08:35 when I look at chanlogs of last 3 months or so, I'd guess 98% of what'S discussed here about fremantle doesn't apply at all to HARM, and vice versa Oct 09 21:08:48 Although it does explain Brits' behaviour at .BG resorts... Oct 09 21:09:11 Doc: We can remove -M now. And just call it Maemo6. Oct 09 21:10:02 RST38h: sorry? Oct 09 21:10:59 DocScrutinizer: yes, the adaptors are different, they're embedded in the laptops Oct 09 21:11:18 so I guess there's an issue on the x201, but I don't really know where Oct 09 21:11:23 Doc: It is Meego no longer, just Harmattan or Maemo6 Oct 09 21:11:59 well, #harmattan always been #harmattan Oct 09 21:12:23 and it's never been maemo nor meego in my book Oct 09 21:13:06 of course you can argue it's maemo6 internally Oct 09 21:13:08 BTW, first glimpses of IceCream Sandwich reference phone are out Oct 09 21:13:20 nexus prime? Oct 09 21:13:23 Yeah Oct 09 21:13:38 android naming got ridiculous after honeycomb Oct 09 21:13:40 Although Samsung and Google have cancelled the Oct11 revealing event for some reason Oct 09 21:13:44 but then the similarities between maemo5 and maemo6 are maybe less than those between maemo6 and meegoCE Oct 09 21:13:59