**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 10 02:59:57 2011 Oct 10 04:59:22 how do you get around the issue of the n900 automatically connecting to the MMS apn sometimes instead of the internet one? Oct 10 05:11:56 Psi: only have one apn? Oct 10 05:26:54 kerio: fmms sets up its own one for mms messages Oct 10 05:53:54 I've successfully bricked my n900 again Oct 10 05:56:32 congrats :) Oct 10 05:57:13 i have bricked my n900 only once. Oct 10 05:57:27 it is unbrickable without too much trouble? Oct 10 05:57:50 im guessing ya just need to reload the boot firmware over jtag or something Oct 10 05:58:05 if by bricked you mean you have to flash your n900? Oct 10 05:59:39 i would consider it bricked if either, you need to buy/make special hardware to fix Oct 10 06:00:03 * dm8tbr considers 'bricked' to be "can't be fixed without involvement of special hardware and or experts" Oct 10 06:00:09 yeah Oct 10 06:00:19 ok Oct 10 06:00:24 good to know Oct 10 06:00:45 but nowadays it seems to be general populace consensus, that "It doesn't boot to UI" means "totally bricked" Oct 10 06:01:01 its bricked if its as useful as a brick to 95% of the population :P Oct 10 06:01:46 :) Oct 10 06:02:01 Psi: Just don't let it connect automatically to the cellular network Oct 10 06:09:17 amiconn: i need that for latitude to work Oct 10 07:54:05 hello ,im microB ,i can't use shift+backspace to forward page,has someone same problem Oct 10 08:11:08 hmm Oct 10 08:11:23 N900 keyboard is more usable than N950 keyboard Oct 10 08:18:34 Morning, all Oct 10 08:39:42 If I want to get what n900 is, but 'the next step', what would that be? I need a real keyboard Oct 10 08:40:09 n950, which is not publically available. so: nothing. Oct 10 08:40:17 :( Oct 10 08:40:31 perhaps I should buy another one. or two Oct 10 08:41:02 so I have hardware when they'll vanish from the market. it's such a beautiful little device, can use it for basicly everything Oct 10 08:52:34 Hi #maemo. Oct 10 08:54:14 Hey crashanddie Oct 10 10:19:00 Has anyone had any trouble with OCing on PK V49? Like, 'kernel-config lock freq volt dsp' not working quite correctly? Oct 10 10:46:51 any bash wizards around? Oct 10 10:47:00 mece, ask away Oct 10 10:47:29 I have a string, "4", now I want to loop something as many times as the number in the string. Oct 10 10:49:23 number="4"; i=0; while [ $i -lt $number ] ; do echo foo; let i=$((i+1)); done Oct 10 10:52:22 ok thanks. Oct 10 10:53:53 the -lt bit, is that some data type magic? Oct 10 10:54:10 -lt == less than Oct 10 10:54:16 bash does not have data types Oct 10 10:54:22 so "4" is exactly the same as 4 Oct 10 11:19:09 mece: actually, with a bit of luck: for i in `seq 1 4` ; do ... done Oct 10 11:20:29 aah Oct 10 11:21:29 crashanddie: bash does not have data types?? Oct 10 11:22:05 it has a Oct 10 11:22:08 oops Oct 10 11:22:10 except, edheldil, that's a stupid answer Oct 10 11:22:12 well, it doesn't *need* data types, and everything is a string in expressions, as the whole thing is a plain text interpreter Oct 10 11:22:16 it has strings and arrays at least Oct 10 11:22:27 it has intergers as well Oct 10 11:22:33 crashanddie: why so? Oct 10 11:22:59 edheldil, `` spawns a new process, and looking at this channel name, you really don't want to do process spawning on mobile devices for no good reason. Oct 10 11:23:18 it's like people who do cat foo.txt | grep something Oct 10 11:23:28 nowhere he says that it has to run on the phone Oct 10 11:23:39 halley:~ # help declare Oct 10 11:23:40 declare: declare [-aAfFilrtux] [-p] [name[=value] ...] Oct 10 11:23:42 Set variable values and attributes. Oct 10 11:24:19 ... Oct 10 11:24:22 -a to make NAMEs indexed arrays (if supported) Oct 10 11:24:23 -A to make NAMEs associative arrays (if supported) Oct 10 11:24:25 -i to make NAMEs have the `integer' attribute Oct 10 11:24:27 -l to convert NAMEs to lower case on assignment Oct 10 11:24:28 -r to make NAMEs readonly Oct 10 11:24:29 ... Oct 10 11:25:07 but yes, that's all strictly optional Oct 10 11:25:56 mece: see bash help test Oct 10 11:26:24 arg1 OP arg2 Arithmetic tests. OP is one of -eq, -ne, Oct 10 11:26:25 -lt, -le, -gt, or -ge. Oct 10 11:26:38 while Oct 10 11:26:41 STRING1 < STRING2 Oct 10 11:26:43 True if STRING1 sorts before STRING2 lexicographically. Oct 10 11:26:49 or if comparing non-integer values: != and ==, < and > Oct 10 11:27:18 <__trine> has anyone got a link to where I can download PYRIT for my N900? Oct 10 11:29:16 Bash also has a "does-arithmetic-evaluation-for-the-expressions-by-default" for loop: for (( i=0; i<4; i++ )); do echo $i; done Oct 10 11:29:33 mece: so in bash everything starts as a string, and operators/context does implicit typecasting/conversions Oct 10 11:30:11 fizzie: yup, a much missed feature in plain shell (like messybox) Oct 10 11:31:06 Just a note: I've used `` quite a bit; no noticable slowdown compared to $(cmd) or w/e. Oct 10 11:31:57 that's expected, it's just an alternative of the lexical analyzer Oct 10 11:32:02 robbiethe1st: $(cmd) will most likely also spawn a process, i guess if you do while xxx; it can optimise by calling the internal implementation of xxx if available Oct 10 11:32:34 so that's why it may sometimes be a little faster Oct 10 11:32:40 I guess...I don't think we have that many internal implementations of things, at least on Busybox, though Oct 10 11:32:45 the big advantage of () is you got no nesting problems Oct 10 11:32:52 I mean, we have to use seq... for for loops! Oct 10 11:33:53 seq for loops is insane Oct 10 11:34:02 robbiethe1st, bash is bash, whether it's on busybox or another environment Oct 10 11:34:15 as it expands to an awfully long string in linebuffer Oct 10 11:34:16 But bash != ash Oct 10 11:34:38 true, but OP asked about "bash" explicitly Oct 10 11:34:41 messybox is NOT bash! all but bash Oct 10 11:34:55 Built-in shell on the N900 is ash, which is a part of busybox. You have to explicitly install bash...yeah Oct 10 11:35:36 which was pretty much first thing I did, on N900 as well as on SHR ;-) Oct 10 11:35:53 as, you know: Oct 10 11:35:54 Heh. I don't think I've bothered to install it Oct 10 11:35:57 ~messybox Oct 10 11:35:58 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Oct 10 11:35:59 I just worked around the limitations Oct 10 11:36:17 Oh, yeah, I learned something new today: Flashing PR1.0 onto a later-PR device, then loading up a PR1.3 rootfs/opt... the only thing that won't work is the cellmodem, and a flash with --flash-only=cmt fixes that properly. Sure, it's the expected outcome, but it actually /works/ that way. Oct 10 11:43:41 :nod: Oct 10 11:44:06 I think the leaked-pr12 fix was along that line Oct 10 12:37:40 grmbnl, so my bug might be in n900 firmware in fact Oct 10 12:38:02 it might be https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4835 Oct 10 12:38:04 04Bug 4835: Bump GTK+ version to 2.12 Oct 10 12:38:38 * andre__ slaps povbot Oct 10 12:40:19 definitely Oct 10 12:43:23 Meanwhile: Anaheim Union High School District has killed a controversial incentive program that assigned students color-coded ID cards and planners based on state test scores, required those who performed poorly to stand in a separate lunch line and awarded the others with discounts. Oct 10 12:45:54 sounds kinda nasty Oct 10 12:54:18 hmm im having a question. I used my mac to connect to the works wlan. and got the certificate and stuff and exported it and then put it on my n900 and installed it. but when I connect I get a certificate password? what is this? Oct 10 12:59:53 or is it some other way to fix it? Oct 10 13:26:14 Oh yeaaaahh: http://gizmodo.com/5848209/biker-gang-raids-apple-store Oct 10 13:27:13 <__trine> I have just installed subversion natively on my N900 but it segs faults has any one any idea why this might be? Oct 10 13:28:18 Maybe installing subversion natively has been a bad idea? Oct 10 13:28:46 <__trine> well its part of fremantle Oct 10 13:29:17 <__trine> fremantle/tools free non-free Oct 10 13:29:58 <__trine> is anyone here prepared to help me get scratchbox working on my PC Oct 10 13:40:40 <__trine> RST38h, is that it? just a negative comment? Oct 10 13:46:20 how else would you install svn? :) Oct 10 13:46:51 <__trine> Nokia-N900:~# svn Oct 10 13:46:51 <__trine> Segmentation fault Oct 10 13:47:26 <__trine> could this be because I have the power kernel installed? Oct 10 13:48:14 no Oct 10 13:48:34 its an error with one of the libraries Oct 10 13:48:34 i'd try stracing or gdb'ing Oct 10 13:48:55 but it might not get you any closer in some cases Oct 10 13:50:32 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70570&highlight=svn+segmentation+fault Oct 10 13:52:35 <__trine> reading Oct 10 13:59:23 sat2050, strace it Oct 10 14:03:27 <__trine> found the answer :) Oct 10 14:03:29 <__trine> thanks Oct 10 14:06:08 :) Oct 10 14:06:21 i left working on svn Oct 10 14:06:35 now i just use hamachi to connect to my box and use svn thr Oct 10 14:07:09 <__trine> I would love to be able to compile for the n900 on my PC Oct 10 14:07:56 you can do that Oct 10 14:08:46 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK Oct 10 14:09:55 <__trine> sat2050, I have done most of that and installed it but I dont think I have it working Oct 10 14:11:43 <__trine> now I have svn working I have now been able to compile pyrit ok Oct 10 14:12:43 <__trine> pyrit is needed for wifite Oct 10 14:14:42 i stopped working on maemo development Oct 10 14:15:07 i dont have a development env for it right now Oct 10 14:15:24 <__trine> i mainly compile for my router Oct 10 14:15:30 so i dont know how much help can i be of Oct 10 14:15:32 ok Oct 10 14:27:05 does anyone have EXP with gemote? Oct 10 14:27:34 moo chem|st Oct 10 14:54:23 I can't install Cleven Oct 10 14:56:27 <_trine> cleven is in the repos Oct 10 14:58:09 Yes it's Oct 10 14:59:46 Messaging is that i need: wirless-tools Oct 10 15:09:20 this is probably quite exotic, but can I play a MP3 directly from the terminal? Oct 10 15:09:43 or alternatively, can I have two instances of music player running simultaneously? Oct 10 15:11:17 <_trine> adrianuy, why dont you install wireless-tools apt-get update; apt-get install wireless-tools Oct 10 15:17:24 i can't find wireless-tools in repos Oct 10 15:18:32 do you have extras enabled? Oct 10 15:19:35 Extras Maemo or Maemo Extras-devel Oct 10 15:20:04 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/wireless-tools/30~pre7-1.3maemo+0m5/ Oct 10 15:20:19 Seta00: you can play .wav with command pay-sound Oct 10 15:20:36 play-sound Oct 10 15:20:51 Seta00: http://www.mpg123.de/ Oct 10 15:20:55 for mp3 you'll need a decoder Oct 10 15:22:33 thanks Oct 10 15:29:22 So, Netflix basically did 3 months worth of handwaving for . . . nothing? Oct 10 15:32:22 who's netflix? Oct 10 16:11:35 <_trine> does anyone here use SMSCON? the SMSCON editer is asking for a passwd when I run it and I'm not sure which passwd it wants Oct 10 16:16:21 12345 iirc Oct 10 16:16:22 I seem to recall the password got mentioned somewhere on that app's project homepage or sth Oct 10 16:16:43 and DocScrutinizer is right :) Oct 10 16:17:15 DocScrutinizer: moo... Oct 10 16:17:25 * Sicelo lost his sylus today. thought i was going to have heart attack. luckily, found it later under a car seat Oct 10 16:17:33 *stylus Oct 10 16:17:50 meh, stylus Oct 10 16:18:10 they are 3 for 20$ or sth ;-P Oct 10 16:19:29 <_trine> Sicelo, you are correct,, where is that documented ? thank you Oct 10 16:19:35 so yeah, you'd really think they gone mad about asking that much for 0.8g of plastic, but hey Oct 10 16:20:40 _trine: where DocScrutinizer said. i forget url, and unfortunately am not in a position to check for u right now. iirc it's in wiki Oct 10 16:21:07 * Sicelo whishes infobot was linked to wiki as it is for bug reports Oct 10 16:22:29 <_trine> oh sorry DocScrutinizer I never noticed you reply very sorry Oct 10 16:22:47 <_trine> your* Oct 10 16:23:11 ~maemopkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Oct 10 16:23:11 DocScrutinizer: okay Oct 10 16:23:22 http://wiki.maemo.org/SMSCON_Editor Oct 10 16:24:20 http://wiki.maemo.org/Smscon Oct 10 16:24:27 err Oct 10 16:28:17 * DocScrutinizer cackles at >># (DO NOT edit the encrypted user settings below, use SMSCON-editor or SMSCON!)<< Oct 10 16:29:01 * DocScrutinizer starts strace SMSCON to decode the "ENCRYPTION" Oct 10 16:29:38 * DocScrutinizer is too lazy to read the sourcecode of SMSCON to learn the "encryption key" Oct 10 16:32:08 oh well, on a device where each idiot thief can install rootsh, it's probably actually useful to somewhat obfuscate the password Oct 10 16:34:07 by the way, besides killall/kill, what else can i se to end a runaway process? Oct 10 16:34:25 errr Oct 10 16:34:32 either of those doesn't kill the process :( Oct 10 16:35:11 kill -sigint -sigstop -sigterm -sigkill Oct 10 16:35:44 kill -9 is very popular, aka kill -sigkill Oct 10 16:36:46 ah, thanks. Oct 10 16:37:19 i never used the kill -9 before, as a plain kill usually worked Oct 10 16:37:46 kill -l Oct 10 16:39:42 kill doesn't inderstand --help, so a simple "kill" (w/o parameters) gets you a short usage help line Oct 10 16:39:55 man kill also always an idea Oct 10 16:40:55 I once did killall apache ... on a SystemV server, where killall kills all the proccesses of a current user ... i.e. root in that case :) Oct 10 16:42:09 true that DocScrutinizer, about rtfm ;) just that it's my N900 that needed it, and am on the move :) Oct 10 16:43:22 sun, not sysV Oct 10 16:43:37 err, HPUX? Oct 10 17:04:40 <_trine> I have just run pyrit benchmark on my N900 its running at 27 PMKs/s Oct 10 17:05:02 <_trine> and my computer runs at 180000 PMKS/s Oct 10 17:05:04 <_trine> :) Oct 10 17:16:05 hello Oct 10 17:16:17 why can't I find dh_make in my scratchbox? Oct 10 17:16:47 mh, maybe missin symlink Oct 10 18:52:06 RST38h, did you see this? http://laughingsquid.com/the-call-of-cthulhu-as-a-dr-suess-style-childrens-book/ Oct 10 19:26:34 is maemo ever going to be updated? Oct 10 19:26:50 There's the community support Oct 10 19:27:25 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Oct 10 19:28:19 thanks for that Oct 10 19:28:21 Other than that, there's basically a debate -- go back and base things on community distro like debian, or follow the corporations to tizen. Oct 10 19:28:32 is it worth going onto meego - if it's even possible? Oct 10 19:29:05 You can try one of the meego community editions, if you want. They've got a build that'll run off of a SD card. Oct 10 19:29:16 have you tried it?:P Oct 10 19:29:39 a few months ago... painfully slow and I liked the N900 default UI better Oct 10 19:29:57 The meego UI (at the time) reminded me of android, which seems clunky. Oct 10 19:30:06 true Oct 10 19:30:39 But I haven't tried their more recent releases. Oct 10 19:31:27 are you using the cssu on your n900? Oct 10 19:31:39 *of maemo Oct 10 19:31:57 I installed it yes. Oct 10 19:32:04 though i haven't done much with it Oct 10 19:32:10 mostly they made screen rotation do more Oct 10 19:32:19 lol Oct 10 19:32:22 there's a few demos of CSSU on the wiki or on youtube. Oct 10 19:33:45 so.... "anyone" still updating stuff for the n800 in mass? Oct 10 19:33:57 or is it all one app at a time like I am Oct 10 19:34:08 The CSSU wiki page lists some updates for the Nx00. Oct 10 19:34:17 cool Oct 10 19:34:19 thanks Oct 10 19:34:23 yw. Oct 10 19:35:05 * Tenkawa is determined to find some usage for his n800 Oct 10 19:35:24 lol???? Oct 10 19:35:55 and no, CSSU is first and foremost about fixing bugs, not about rotation Oct 10 19:36:23 I still prefer to use my N810 for mapping rather than my N900. Oct 10 19:36:47 Bigger screen, longer battery life, hardware keys, and a version of Maemo Mapper that actually works. Oct 10 19:37:04 DocScrutinizer: though on casual look the rotation was the most obvious user visible change. Oct 10 19:37:06 i'm gutted my beats by dre earphones don't work on most phones unless it's an apple product or a few RIM phones Oct 10 19:37:07 if I could just update the kernel I could do so much more with that 800 Oct 10 19:37:23 is it possible to port drivers from ios to maemo? Oct 10 19:37:36 well, that's because bug fixes are generally not supposed to be "user visible" Oct 10 19:38:03 :) Oct 10 19:38:07 and ideally CSSU shows *no* changes from stock maemo Oct 10 19:38:33 Unlike when I tried power kernel, my battery life is still good with CSSU Oct 10 19:38:34 except for an occasional button or menu item to enable augmented functionality Oct 10 19:38:47 With a few days of use, you seem to have succeeded. Oct 10 19:39:12 for power Oct 10 19:39:52 CSSU is supposed to yield better battery life than stock - at least it fixes some bugs that eat lots of power under certain circumstances, in stock Oct 10 19:40:08 Oh cool. Oct 10 19:40:11 huh Oct 10 19:40:21 I rarely have battery life problems. Oct 10 19:40:23 DocScrutinizer: Does it fix "No SIM card == less than 8 hours of battery"? Oct 10 19:40:45 with stock, at least. I've been resistant to CSSU, but open to moving to it if there's a compelling reason. Oct 10 19:40:55 definitely not, as this isn'T a know issue. AFAIK Oct 10 19:41:00 isn't battery life one of them? Oct 10 19:41:45 I mean, that is the best explanation I have for why my battery life is so terrible. Oct 10 19:42:09 unlikely Oct 10 19:42:10 Especially after my friend took her SIM card out beacuse it failed, and the same exact thing started happening to her. Oct 10 19:42:35 depressed: you mean, for me? Oct 10 19:42:37 That being the only change she made to the system. Oct 10 19:43:03 dzho: yes even though you said you don't have problems Oct 10 19:43:16 hmm, I'm running one N900 here since almost a year without SIM, and it sat there without me noticing I removed charger plug - each time standby was more like a week rather than 8h Oct 10 19:45:00 of course any fancy borked app that goes apeshit mad when no SIM will change that Oct 10 19:45:01 I wonder if one has a wifi connection and the other doesnt? Oct 10 19:45:59 I have very little installed. Oct 10 19:46:05 maybe something that relies on a proper string for carrier name from cellmo, maybe sth that wants to read out BTS ID, maybe even some smart 2G/3G switcher... no friggin idea Oct 10 19:47:04 i heard networks that use lower spectrums use less power Oct 10 19:48:43 anyway your chances are good to spot the culprit as 8h standby are so bad there must be really heavy CPU usage to do this. So a simple htop will tell what's going on - after all without SIM it can't be the most popular battery hog which is 3G-data traffic Oct 10 19:50:07 hi Oct 10 19:50:29 can someone help me get gmail exchange working on a nokia n900? Oct 10 19:50:52 gmail exchange? Oct 10 19:51:09 gmail via exchange Oct 10 19:51:10 I don't have htop, but the only things that show up in top are the X server, top, xterm, and hildon-desktop. Oct 10 19:51:33 have you been playing with replacement app launchers? Oct 10 19:51:55 Me? Certainly not. Oct 10 19:52:03 ssh in , abd top Oct 10 19:52:09 it's almost meaningless without Oct 10 19:52:27 Well, that would require me to actually connect to a network. Oct 10 19:52:41 wifi doesn't work? Oct 10 19:52:45 derf: hildon-desktop, X. Hmm, do you have catorise or apmefo installed? Oct 10 19:53:04 DocScrutinizer: No. Oct 10 19:53:14 i followed this guide http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=147951 but it just keeps timing out Oct 10 19:55:11 derf: you should get powertop Oct 10 19:55:36 DocScrutinizer: I've looked at it before. It was pretty useless. Oct 10 19:55:59 well, then I can'T help Oct 10 19:57:18 box: u are aware of http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Email_Options ? Oct 10 20:00:28 so should I assume Google uses exchange 2010? Oct 10 20:01:03 SpeedEvil: It's pretty painful at the office, but with wifi these are the only things over 0%: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1352151 Oct 10 20:09:01 box I've only ever got a contacts to sync once when I set the domain to "google" without quotes Oct 10 20:10:06 DocScrutinizer: Here you go: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1352155 Oct 10 20:10:08 depressed ill try that thanks Oct 10 20:10:16 (and yes, it really took 10 minutes to run one command over the wifi here) Oct 10 20:13:50 derf: something is keeping your CPU at C1all the time, this for sure will eat battery during a few hours Oct 10 20:14:02 Yes, I knew that much. Oct 10 20:15:21 I suspect some WLAN issue, or that age old window-scroll bouncer bug that hogs CPU on short menus or other displays that are too short to scroll and thus "bounce up and down" 0 pixels all the time Oct 10 20:16:27 it's probably simple enough to enter flight mode and see what's the battery life then Oct 10 20:16:57 if it's still only 8h then you know it's neither GSM nor WLAN Oct 10 20:21:10 the bouncer bug manifested in hildon-desktop eating 6% CPU all the time IIRC Oct 10 20:21:57 how do i get a nokia messaging account? sorry dont mean to be mundane im just clueless Oct 10 20:22:33 afaik that's dead :P Oct 10 20:22:52 yup, afaik as well Oct 10 20:22:57 and the maemo article you so kindly posted? :( Oct 10 20:24:41 I think registering with OVI is the next best thing you can get Oct 10 20:25:49 ooh, and probably MyNokia still works, dunno as I kicked that off my device before it even could start the first time Oct 10 20:27:18 Anyone tried http://projects.developer.nokia.com/kasvopus - Is it safe? Oct 10 20:27:48 sorry box. i don't use exchange, hence i pointed you to something i know discusses how to use it Oct 10 20:47:08 box: You don't `get` a nokia messaging account. On your N900, select `Nokia Messaging` from the provider list and enter your gmail username and password. If you're anal about security, you can enable Googles 2step verification where they can generate a random password for seperate applications Oct 10 20:49:48 depressed omg thanks!!! Oct 10 20:50:21 no worries but it doesn't bring up labels I don't think Oct 10 20:52:32 thats okay depressed ill live with this :D Oct 10 20:54:02 what are the benefits of using Nokia Messaging? Oct 10 20:55:21 I heard it was push without the battery drain - no idea how that works Oct 10 20:56:12 when it comes to that, i miss my Nokia 9300i with IMAP-IDLE Oct 10 21:04:21 so, box, are u getting Nokia Messaging as a provider on yours? i don't Oct 10 21:07:41 so... is there a package to install nokia's new nokia tune as a ringtone? Oct 10 21:09:06 >:D Oct 10 21:10:00 Sicelo yeh Oct 10 21:10:21 ive tested it, proper push :D Oct 10 21:11:34 ~nokiatune Oct 10 21:15:41 infobot: nokiatune is http://brandbook.nokia.com/servlet/file/Nokia_Tune_Dubstep_Edition.mp3?uploadfile=realm_1/user_407/Nokia_Tune_Dubstep_Edition.mp3 Oct 10 21:15:42 okay, kerio Oct 10 21:15:51 infobot: nokiatune is also WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB Oct 10 21:15:51 okay, kerio Oct 10 21:15:56 ~nokiatune Oct 10 21:15:57 hmm... nokiatune is http://brandbook.nokia.com/servlet/file/Nokia_Tune_Dubstep_Edition.mp3?uploadfile=realm_1/user_407/Nokia_Tune_Dubstep_Edition.mp3. WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB Oct 10 21:16:13 perfect Oct 10 21:18:55 Oct 10 21:22:37 DocScrutinizer: hildon-desktop definitely doesn't eat 6% of CPU all the time. Oct 10 21:23:29 I doubt think it's a wifi issue, as it happens even when not connected to any network, regardless of where I am. Oct 10 21:24:00 I haven't tried leaving it in airplane mode. Oct 10 21:25:21 derf: so what the heck *is* eating CPU then? Oct 10 21:25:48 derf: I mean, the CPU won't stay in C1 just for fun, no? Oct 10 21:25:56 Got me. Oct 10 21:35:27 moo, derf Oct 10 21:35:36 Hi RST38h. Oct 10 21:46:19 derf: I found with busybox tools you're quite lost when it comes to really diagnosing the system - maybe installing and using true top (or htop) could actually help to get a better idea of what's going on Oct 10 21:48:54 e.g with htop it's rather simple to get a display of total CPU time each process used up since it's been started Oct 10 21:56:29 I just watched a video, seems N900 run faster than Samsung GalaxyII - i9100 . Is that true? Oct 10 21:56:30 derf: top5 sorted by TIME+ http://paste.debian.net/135557/ Oct 10 21:56:51 for a CSSU system with 6 days uptime Oct 10 21:57:54 DocScrutinizer: how do i tell infobot not to put full stops after urls when displaying a factoid? Oct 10 21:58:15 didn't know it does Oct 10 21:58:26 ~maemopkg Oct 10 21:58:26 well, maemopkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Oct 10 21:58:33 ~nokiatune Oct 10 21:58:34 nokiatune is, like, http://brandbook.nokia.com/servlet/file/Nokia_Tune_Dubstep_Edition.mp3?uploadfile=realm_1/user_407/Nokia_Tune_Dubstep_Edition.mp3. WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB Oct 10 21:58:44 i used "nokiatune is also foo" Oct 10 21:59:03 is also is a bit awkward Oct 10 21:59:20 infobot: nokiatune is http://brandbook.nokia.com/servlet/file/Nokia_Tune_Dubstep_Edition.mp3?uploadfile=realm_1/user_407/Nokia_Tune_Dubstep_Edition.mp3 WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB Oct 10 21:59:22 FFS Oct 10 21:59:22 ...but nokiatune is already something else... Oct 10 21:59:25 infobot: no Oct 10 21:59:25 Dubstep!? Oct 10 21:59:29 fucking dubstep Oct 10 21:59:35 infobot: nokiatune is http://brandbook.nokia.com/servlet/file/Nokia_Tune_Dubstep_Edition.mp3?uploadfile=realm_1/user_407/Nokia_Tune_Dubstep_Edition.mp3 WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB Oct 10 21:59:35 ...but nokiatune is already something else... Oct 10 21:59:40 fuck you infobot Oct 10 22:00:01 MohammadAG: just when you thought nokia couldn't make a worse decision than going for w7p Oct 10 22:00:01 infobot: no, nokiatune is http://brandbook.nokia.com/servlet/file/Nokia_Tune_Dubstep_Edition.mp3?uploadfile=realm_1/user_407/Nokia_Tune_Dubstep_Edition.mp3 WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB Oct 10 22:00:01 okay, DocScrutinizer Oct 10 22:00:14 i bet that was the reason Oct 10 22:00:26 to distract people from the actual stupidity Oct 10 22:01:52 see, more stupidity doesn't distract you away from stupidity Oct 10 22:02:14 MohammadAG: yeah, that's another stupid idea :> Oct 10 22:02:20 also, unless they pack some 300W bass in phones, this is gonna sound shittier than shit Oct 10 22:02:46 MohammadAG: but packing 300W subwoofers in a phone is yet another stupid idea! Oct 10 22:03:04 NAH that's brilliant :-D Oct 10 22:04:02 * DocScrutinizer drools over a phone with a 300W subwoofer Oct 10 22:04:29 actually I'd forget about the phone - just use the subwoofer in a matchbox Oct 10 22:05:17 might get hard to find a 450W USB charger wallwart Oct 10 22:05:35 a subwoofer in a phone's actually a good idea Oct 10 22:05:39 you can dump the vibra motor :p Oct 10 22:05:59 yup, but that's also patented by *me* since 2008 Oct 10 22:06:27 silent mode? pff, more like DIRTY BEATZ MODE Oct 10 22:08:31 at least this'll be on WP7 phones Oct 10 22:08:40 let's just hope Symbian Belle doesn't have it Oct 10 22:08:55 I should add the ringtone in the CSSU, along with an overclock speakers into subwoofer mode Oct 10 22:35:50 does anyone have bbc iplayer working on their n900? Oct 10 22:41:04 What ringtone do you use? Music download from store? - I have game theme music... Oct 10 23:07:57 ringtone? how's about that incredible marvelous arkanoid theme? http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/arkanoid-wav/16bit-44ks/ Oct 10 23:08:04 lame Oct 10 23:08:30 it scares away dogs :-P Oct 10 23:09:06 and probably can kill mosquitoes Oct 10 23:13:41 well, tbh I got sth only slightly less irritating: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15ScQivK5DY Oct 10 23:13:59 What's the safest/best way to flash devices for customers? Oct 10 23:14:15 Apple products seem to do it pretty seamlessly/safey Oct 10 23:14:31 What have you guys learned about this from doing it with n900s? Oct 10 23:16:22 never heard of injuries or fatalities from N900 flashing either Oct 10 23:17:38 of course the ISA platform is a bit more complex to handle all the possible variants you may face than on a Mac Oct 10 23:19:34 how do you write é on n900? Oct 10 23:24:30 box write what? Oct 10 23:24:51 those things above letters Oct 10 23:25:03 box: accents? Oct 10 23:25:15 depressed lol yeh:P Oct 10 23:28:41 Fn+ctl to invoke virtual onscreen kbd Oct 10 23:28:50 box: press the blue arrow (north east facing), then Sym, choose the type of accent, then select the letter Oct 10 23:28:55 press ' Oct 10 23:29:06 press e on normal kbd Oct 10 23:29:30 ooops, sym of course, not ctl ;-P Oct 10 23:29:35 thanks depressed & docscrutinizer Oct 10 23:29:46 how do you guys know this? Oct 10 23:29:59 box: got the manual infront of me lol Oct 10 23:30:08 lol! Oct 10 23:30:39 umm, I forgot Oct 10 23:30:43 Anyone here got iphone 4s and a n900? Oct 10 23:31:32 maybe from there: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures Oct 10 23:32:39 DocScrutinizer: well, I'm thinking more about fool proof processes Oct 10 23:33:01 Some devices require special drivers to be flashed, for some reason Oct 10 23:33:04 While others don't seem to Oct 10 23:33:19 no Oct 10 23:34:04 "no" to what? Oct 10 23:34:32 no to Some devices require special drivers to be flashed, for some reason While others don't seem to Oct 10 23:35:37 at least "no" to my (missing) ability to understand or get the point of this assumption Oct 10 23:36:34 I'll probably need a description of an example case to understand what you're telling me Oct 10 23:44:14 1 Oct 10 23:44:22 bah, irssi fail Oct 10 23:47:34 hello there Oct 10 23:49:20 Could anyone tell me, how to enable flight_mode from xterm command (on-device or when ssh'ed)? I know I can achieve almost same thing by running several dbus calls for disabling cellular,wifi,bluetooth etc, but I need flight mode directly... Oct 10 23:50:18 hmm Oct 10 23:50:21 I checked http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_Control , but nothing there about flight/normal mode Oct 10 23:50:31 strange Oct 10 23:52:10 yea. systemui set something from /var/lib/mce/mode, but thats black magic for me. Other things are done simillar way in systemui, and have dbus equivalents available from xterm, so I suppose it's existing, but just undocumented in wiki Oct 10 23:52:18 forum searching failed also Oct 10 23:52:52 not only to find answer, but even to find questions, so maybe no one needed that before to the point of asking ;) Oct 11 00:01:54 Estel_ i'm pretty new to all this but is this what ur looking for > http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-switch-to-offline-mode Oct 11 00:05:39 HyperSnyper, it seems that it is the thing I was looking for! Must have missed it. Oct 11 00:05:46 Thanks a lot! Oct 11 00:07:16 The funniest thing is that I'm actually reading other Jebba wiki page, about his Debian etch (non-working now) repository for Maemo. It's a pity he never incorporated his wikis into mainline wiki, cause searching personal wikis is a whole lot of mess and luck/unluck based thing Oct 11 00:07:56 i use google + "site:http://wiki.maemo.org/" Oct 11 00:07:57 :P Oct 11 00:17:18 HyperSnyper, yea. You're right, I focused on mainline wiki and forum, just looked briefly at personal wikis. Jebba wrote, that this (his personal dbus) page got merged into mainline wiki - it seems that it's only one command that slipped away, from the process. Oct 11 00:17:32 I'll fix that in a while, updating wiki Oct 11 00:19:12 meantime, I wonder if there is any way to "hide" some terminal program from interface? I mean that program is still running in background, but user doesn't see terminal window and can't close it without root and 'kill', on purpose or by accident Oct 11 00:19:19 this may be lame question ;) Oct 11 00:20:13