**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 15 02:59:56 2011 Oct 15 04:10:04 hi here.. Oct 15 04:10:34 is there a way so pics are not shown by the photo gallery app in N900 ? Oct 15 04:11:15 there's a pic I want to hid from the gallery, and no matter where I put it, it always appear on the gallery app Oct 15 04:11:28 any pointers? thanks in advance... Oct 15 04:58:15 How do I flash the N900 Oct 15 04:58:27 "NOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes." Oct 15 05:07:21 ~flash Oct 15 05:07:21 somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 15 05:07:26 depressed: ^ Oct 15 05:49:24 yeah yeah, that didn't work so well... Oct 15 05:50:34 perhaps it's just me sucking, or a local issue, but I had to do this; https://github.com/trapd00r/utils/blob/master/n900_flash Oct 15 05:52:16 what didnt work? Oct 15 05:53:43 using the standard aproach I could never get the n900 to find any cellular networks Oct 15 05:56:41 wait what? Oct 15 05:56:54 that has nothing to do with flashing normally ... :/ Oct 15 05:57:02 well Oct 15 05:57:06 I flashed mine already full with the 1.3 once Oct 15 05:57:16 wrote a bash script for it to do it for me ... Oct 15 05:57:16 I've flashed mine at least 25 times now Oct 15 05:57:30 only problem i had was in the 1ste time that I did it Oct 15 05:57:32 20 times of them, I never found any networks Oct 15 05:57:40 I rebooted device between the 2 images Oct 15 05:57:48 so ended up with a chinese n900 once Oct 15 05:58:09 woldrich: but not finding a network is rather hardware issue I though Oct 15 05:58:15 okay, while we are speaking about this... I have to ventilate Oct 15 05:58:41 read about some other people too who get like n900 crapping out on the cellular reception level Oct 15 05:58:48 nokia what the fuck were you thinking not allowing me to 1) flash the device if the battery isn't full 2) charge the battery if the os can not boot Oct 15 05:59:07 nothing I can do about all this Oct 15 05:59:21 I have my own not so positive ideas either about the device Oct 15 05:59:37 and still think now after all the device was not worth the 500 eur I paid for it Oct 15 05:59:59 I understand that, and the n900 is still the best 'device' I've bought, but there's some *really* stupid design mistakes here and there Oct 15 06:00:02 but on the other hand still love the device as an internet tablet and in essence a small linux pc in my pocket ... Oct 15 06:00:06 no? Oct 15 06:00:26 if nokia would have finished the software and marketed the device proper Oct 15 06:00:38 they could have had an iphone killer before the iphone existed Oct 15 06:00:49 doubt that Oct 15 06:00:55 but alas ... they jumped on the meego train and now fell under the microsoft train Oct 15 06:01:01 little to do about that :( Oct 15 06:01:08 see, the iphone and the n900 is exact opposites. Why would iphone users value things like freedom? :( Oct 15 06:01:37 no i mean Oct 15 06:01:42 n900 was there before iphone Oct 15 06:01:43 I wish the n9 had a real keyboard. I'd have bought it :( Oct 15 06:01:58 now it's useless for me Oct 15 06:02:21 the device -when they would have FINISHED the software and SUPPORTED it in a timely fashion- could have been a pre-iphone and pre-android smartphone Oct 15 06:02:37 n950 has kbd, bus nowhere to buy it, and I heard the kbd is worse than n900 Oct 15 06:02:39 but alas ... they just shot themselves in the foot with a "developer model" phone Oct 15 06:03:05 well not going to buy those Oct 15 06:03:14 you know its a dead device you are buying Oct 15 06:03:20 its never going to be supported long Oct 15 06:03:29 and there is not going to be any follow up on them Oct 15 06:03:29 fucking nokia, once I loved you. what are you doing... your market share will continue to drop and drop and drop Oct 15 06:03:48 so ... not going to give nokia and money so they can produce better microsoft phones .. . Oct 15 06:03:56 indeed Oct 15 06:03:59 s/and/any/ Oct 15 06:03:59 Gh0sty meant: so ... not going to give nokia any money so they can produce better microsoft phones .. . Oct 15 06:04:12 s/d/g/g Oct 15 06:04:13 woldrich meant: ingeeg Oct 15 06:04:17 cute Oct 15 06:04:37 lol first time you see a regex bot? :) Oct 15 06:05:04 still working on the ultimate irc bot ... :p Oct 15 06:05:22 who reports television, the weather, does regex, google, imdb, some rss feeds etc :) Oct 15 06:05:53 s/(?:c)ute/$1 . time() . '...ute'/e Oct 15 06:06:11 your bot broke :( Oct 15 06:06:13 only thing is one very old bot has a startup time of 2 minutes ... no idea why Oct 15 06:06:17 should trace it once :p Oct 15 06:06:24 its not mine Oct 15 06:06:34 infobot, source Oct 15 06:06:35 To build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file. Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source. The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`. Oct 15 06:06:36 supybot? Oct 15 06:06:39 i dont run mine here, other networks and private channels Oct 15 06:06:39 meh. Oct 15 06:06:55 probably eggdrop Oct 15 06:06:59 looked into supy Oct 15 06:07:06 but no scripts from anyone ... Oct 15 06:07:16 have you seen buubot? he kicks ass :) Oct 15 06:07:19 so not going to build my own plugins for every function mentioned above Oct 15 06:07:31 not heard of that, whats that? Oct 15 06:07:35 also python? Oct 15 06:07:44 a variant of him is in #buubot (perlbot) Oct 15 06:07:50 he can eval pretty much anything Oct 15 06:08:14 perl Oct 15 06:08:17 nah :P Oct 15 06:08:23 want a python bot if possible Oct 15 06:08:28 but eggdrop will do for now Oct 15 06:08:29 I can replace you with a Very Short Perl Script Oct 15 06:08:48 so you might try but you will fail horribly dear sir :P Oct 15 06:09:10 Gh0sty: supybot Oct 15 06:09:13 thats in python :P Oct 15 06:09:18 i know Oct 15 06:09:26 just put already my idea of supybot above Oct 15 06:09:27 ... Oct 15 06:09:33 ah Oct 15 06:09:36 TL;DR :P Oct 15 06:09:45 its not maintained anymore, there are no external scripts findable almost ... Oct 15 06:09:54 supybot isn't very good imo Oct 15 06:10:01 i mean if I have to write each time my own plugin from scratch Oct 15 06:10:05 thats crap Oct 15 06:10:30 now I take eggdrop, take some finedable scripts, adapt some for my purpose Oct 15 06:10:39 have whatever I want inside of 30 minutes usually ... Oct 15 06:11:09 got some pretty neat script parsing sites (for example my tv script since its for my country specific) Oct 15 06:11:37 and the "official" site is a crappy site with no api what so ever and I really need to parse the webcode ... Oct 15 06:11:45 totally sucky that the official site is like that Oct 15 06:11:54 they even put up "you can not scrape this site" Oct 15 06:12:01 but I cant be bothered :p Oct 15 06:12:10 you can not? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED Oct 15 06:12:19 :) Oct 15 06:12:25 why do they even bother Oct 15 06:12:28 of course you can Oct 15 06:12:32 they from time to time change code to f**** my scripts Oct 15 06:12:38 but I shall prevail! Oct 15 06:12:50 sounds like youtube, grr Oct 15 06:12:56 well yeah the bot code is ok Oct 15 06:13:09 the problem i rather that some people probably parse the site Oct 15 06:13:15 for their digital tv guide Oct 15 06:13:30 and so if half of the country starts doing that ... :p Oct 15 06:13:47 but thats rather an issue of not giving an api or interface on the website Oct 15 06:14:13 and be ignorant and just put a message up like ... dont scrape ... or we will come knocking your door down Oct 15 06:14:16 :P Oct 15 06:28:18 I will repeat my question Oct 15 06:28:30 is there a way to hide pics from the Pictures app? Oct 15 06:28:46 (in N900, maemo) Oct 15 06:29:04 I hate when my nudie pics get seen too Oct 15 06:29:19 doc|home : hear, hear ;) Oct 15 06:29:29 more like hair hair! Oct 15 06:29:34 lol Oct 15 06:29:35 *ba doom tish!* Oct 15 09:47:05 how do we boot from ex4 blk0p2 by default? Oct 15 09:47:37 you can't Oct 15 09:47:39 i'm a little wary of inserting a pivot_root in preinit Oct 15 09:52:50 you can always flash it Oct 15 10:10:03 hi.. I made a build of hildon-desktop for Ubuntu, took sources from Cordia and disabled debuging but I still get these messages, why? https://code.launchpad.net/~cordia-team/+junk/hildon-desktop-compat Oct 15 16:47:31 hey guys :) Oct 15 18:38:42 hello peeps , i have this issue anybody help http://pastebin.com/pDXyFYtN Oct 15 19:03:29 giving a short descriptive topic would lure in more users to actually click on that URL Oct 15 19:05:08 (I for one never click on any random pastebin URL just to find out what's in there - if only because pastebin flash ads and capcha spam blocker and whatnot sucks like hell) Oct 15 19:06:41 ye true all it is trying to find python-pymssql i need it to run SET cant find it anywere Oct 15 20:42:33 is there an option to share internet from laptop to n9 under linux? Oct 15 20:48:59 not any readymade plug and play Oct 15 20:49:29 oh, N9? I thought N9 was locked so you couldn't add features. Oct 15 20:49:42 i thought you were asking about N900 Oct 15 20:49:53 n900 works out of the box on ubuntu Oct 15 20:50:08 just gotta connect in the network .. center thingy :P Oct 15 20:50:37 note he said "from laptop" "to n9" Oct 15 20:50:41 oh Oct 15 20:50:42 lol Oct 15 20:50:48 not "from n9 to laptop" Oct 15 20:50:51 right :p Oct 15 20:50:55 ad-hoc Oct 15 20:51:29 the latter on N900 is a question of installing Bluetooth dun from repo, or mobile hotspot from repo Oct 15 20:51:44 or just connecting the usb cable and selecting pc suite mode Oct 15 21:03:44 moo jacekowski Oct 15 21:03:48 err javispedro Oct 15 21:03:57 moo. Oct 15 21:13:24 hi Oct 15 21:14:11 does anyone know where i can get the previous version of WebOS Games manager? (i read the issue with installing some games like Driver seems to have been introduced in the latest version) Oct 15 21:14:37 It's 404'ing at http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/wgames/0.6.8/ :/ Oct 15 23:09:53 * javispedro is experiencing the fun of trying to go headless using a desktop motherboard that probably hasn't been tested without a video BIOS Oct 15 23:54:18 javispedro: video was never a problem for me, actually desktop ide/sata controlers can be pita as they dont boot unattended if something goes wrong Oct 15 23:55:38 .. and getting boot order right when some disk failed Oct 15 23:56:57 right now I'm going to write off the ability to suspend it, as the BIOS seems to omit half of the DSDT tables when headless Oct 15 23:57:20 this one just wasn't designed for this, guess I should buy cheap card... Oct 15 23:57:36 *VGA card Oct 15 23:59:25 actually, not even ACPI poweroff works Oct 16 00:01:15 Is there anyone online who uses the "orrery" program on the N900 ? Oct 16 00:03:45 Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free orrery 3.4.0-1 [641kB] Oct 16 00:04:57 r00t|n900, I'm trying to find someone who might vote for it in the Extras Testing QA, so that it can get promoted to Extras. It has needed one more vote for quite a while. Oct 16 00:06:31 what package? orrery? Oct 16 00:06:44 tramp, Yes, orrery. Oct 16 00:07:04 what does it do Oct 16 00:07:12 in short Oct 16 00:07:45 Ken-Young: few mins, and will Oct 16 00:08:12 tramp, It's an astronomy app. It shows the night sky, for any time from 300 BC to 3000 AD, moon phases, times of sunrise/sunset, planet elevations, things like that. Oct 16 00:08:27 SpeedEvil, Thanks very much! Oct 16 00:08:51 s/300 BC/3000 BC/ Oct 16 00:09:51 does it include the shift in jupiters orbit that sends a meteor stream lighting up our sky? Oct 16 00:10:04 * SpeedEvil wonders why HAM is being so slow. Oct 16 00:10:07 in 2742 Oct 16 00:11:04 if so, i will so get it Oct 16 00:11:05 tramp, Well, it does list all of the annual meteor showers, it lists the dates, how much moonless time there will be during the shower, plots the radiant on the sky, etc. Oct 16 00:12:09 orrery is just marvelous Oct 16 00:12:18 ken-: if it can be installed via apt, why does it need promoting? Oct 16 00:12:23 orrery Oct 16 00:12:36 ( <-- n00b ) Oct 16 00:12:40 DocScrutinizer, That's very kind of you to say. Oct 16 00:13:12 r00t|n900, I think there are still some N900 users who just download from Extras. Oct 16 00:14:20 HAM is being retarded. Oct 16 00:14:50 I can't get it, though I should have the testing catalog installed. Oct 16 00:14:54 getting deb Oct 16 00:15:04 if its stable it should go in extras Oct 16 00:15:37 Ah Oct 16 00:15:46 tramp, It's pretty stable. I'm just adding a few new features. I'll be pushing a new version in a few days. Oct 16 00:15:56 I wonder why it diddn't tell me that there were updates... Oct 16 00:17:50 the version with new features go in extras-devel, the older version, if stable, should be promoted to extras Oct 16 00:18:05 Well - yes - for which it needs votes in testing Oct 16 00:19:34 tramp, But I will have yet another new version in Extras Testing soon. The QA process now takes more time than the interval between my orrery updates. Oct 16 00:20:16 * SpeedEvil is annoyed at HAM. Oct 16 00:20:40 shouldnt you just wait (or continue developing) before pushing the update then Oct 16 00:20:41 As I understand it, it should have poked me about the new version, I'd have installed it, and possibly remembered to vote Oct 16 00:20:50 If the update is stable... Oct 16 00:20:57 Anyone with "Speed" in their name is bound to get mad as HAM. Oct 16 00:21:05 s/as/a/ Oct 16 00:21:05 Ken-Young meant: Anyone with "Speed" in their name is bound to get mad a HAM. Oct 16 00:21:12 i dont like upgrading every other day, like with notepad++ Oct 16 00:21:55 tramp: Well - don't. Oct 16 00:22:05 tramp, Nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade. Oct 16 00:22:09 if you another update ready, shouldnt you wait the 10 days before pushing Oct 16 00:22:34 no, you push the update when it's ready. arbitrary intervals are pointless. Oct 16 00:22:43 (for varying degrees of ready, of course ;) Oct 16 00:23:06 Anyway - voted. Oct 16 00:23:20 SpeedEvil, Great! Thanks again. Oct 16 00:23:21 so you end up with multiple versions in extras-devel Oct 16 00:23:39 I wonder if HAM is getting upset at never being on charge for 4 weeks. Oct 16 00:23:45 tramp, I will not put multiple versions in a single repository. Oct 16 00:25:46 if you already have one in extras-devel, and you have another one ready, and you intend to push it before the previous one is promoted, how do you not end up with two? Oct 16 00:27:19 tramp, Since SpeedEvil was kind enough to give me a vote just now, I was able to promote the version which was in Extras Testing to Extras. I'll put a new version in Extras Dev soon, and if I don't get any bug reports on it for a few days, I'll push that one into Extras Testing. Oct 16 00:28:39 so you try to make the promotion cycle as fast as you update cycle, and slow your update cycle down if necessary Oct 16 00:29:14 tramp, Yes. Oct 16 00:30:08 would you like me to page with every response as well? Oct 16 00:31:11 I tend to do it, but I realize with traffic this low, it's probably not useful. Sorry. Oct 16 00:32:46 back on topic, thats what i suggested initially, but now i think if you have an anticipated update, its acceptable to have both in extras-devel simultaneously, that way the previous can be promoted while the newer is still testing Oct 16 00:33:43 that's the way things work Oct 16 00:33:49 I think having two versions in the same repository is apt to be confusing. Oct 16 00:34:24 I wish it were possible to remove a version from a repository, if you have a newer version to put there. Oct 16 00:34:30 I can't see anything massively confusing about it Oct 16 00:35:32 how exciting Oct 16 00:35:59 it might just cause older version(s) to never gather the needed votes from testers, as every tester would think "duh, there's a new version, why test the old one?" Oct 16 00:36:08 has anyone been able to run the mud-builder on their N900? Oct 16 00:36:50 DocScrutinizer, I'm afraid our few remaining regular testers are getting burned out. Oct 16 00:37:14 or simply bored ot defocused Oct 16 00:37:18 or* Oct 16 00:37:19 Yup Oct 16 00:37:36 isnt the n900 still the most powerful phone? Oct 16 00:37:39 I'd have to confess I hardly ever test packages anymore. I used to. Oct 16 00:37:47 then otoh it's been like that since I'm watching this Oct 16 00:38:30 There's just not much completely new stuff coming down the pike, and it's not much fun testing the 12th iteration of an app. Oct 16 00:38:54 indeed Oct 16 00:39:29 anyway no app ever gathered the needed votes without massive advertising / begging / bribing Oct 16 00:39:58 either here, or on tmo, or on random blogs Oct 16 00:40:16 A year ago things got tested pretty quickly, as I recall. Oct 16 00:40:43 maybe orrery which is telling a lot about that app Oct 16 00:40:59 A year ago I was testing 2-6 apps a day - now I'm maybe doing one a month, if that. Oct 16 00:41:13 Same here. Oct 16 00:41:16 i would test and vote, but i intend to spend my time developing Oct 16 00:41:29 Well, I never averaged 2-6 a day... Oct 16 00:41:51 tramp, What are you developing? Oct 16 00:41:54 I spend all my time lingering here Oct 16 00:41:56 :-P Oct 16 00:42:36 first i would like to port a few apps like checkinstall, fio, cs-script, and some others Oct 16 00:42:45 Ken-Young: (2..6 a day) I'd be rather surprised if anybody outperformed our #1 powertester SpeedEvil Oct 16 00:43:11 then i would like to make a craigslist watcher Oct 16 00:43:20 I'm not top on number of packages tested Oct 16 00:43:22 with a cli Oct 16 00:43:23 - by a long way Oct 16 00:43:38 SpeedEvil, Who is, do you know? Oct 16 00:43:46 * SpeedEvil wishes craigslist wasn't hopeless. Oct 16 00:43:56 well, yeah. You really *test* while others just vote up or down for the karma Oct 16 00:44:32 http://maemo.org/profile/list/category/packagetesting/ Oct 16 00:44:55 Gosh, could anything be more pathetic than gaming the Maemo karma system at this point in time? Oct 16 00:44:57 The easy way to get more karma without impactin gusers is to go and vote on all the i386 packages Oct 16 00:45:20 At least that worked at one point. Oct 16 00:45:34 LOL Oct 16 00:45:45 SpeedEvil, Cool - I off to the website! Oct 16 00:45:50 why must craigslist be hopeless. mmorpg markets are successful Oct 16 00:46:09 craigslist is the only free online market i am aware of Oct 16 00:47:16 anyway, ive seen free computers on craigslist, but they disappear fast. with a watcher app, you can catch them fast Oct 16 00:47:28 or other items Oct 16 00:47:38 tramp: where I am Oct 16 00:47:47 tramp: I think it actually died. Oct 16 00:47:48 dang http://maemo.org/profile/list/category/itt_thanks/ Oct 16 00:47:49 in #maemo Oct 16 00:48:08 Before it did, there were perhaps 3 items available in a town of 130k Oct 16 00:48:34 huh? we still have craigslist in oklahoma Oct 16 00:48:45 I mean locally Oct 16 00:48:48 plenty of items everyday Oct 16 00:49:13 yes, locally in oklahoma city Oct 16 00:49:15 Sure - but I can't take the bus to oklahoma. Oct 16 00:49:18 It'd sink. Oct 16 00:49:25 ;-P Oct 16 00:49:43 put more air into the tires! Oct 16 00:49:52 im surprised it died where you are, what happened, where are you Oct 16 00:50:00 Central scotland. Oct 16 00:50:03 I used to travel by bus state-to-state in the US heartland. That was an education. Oct 16 00:50:16 It launched in the UK (in the way it did) several years after it did in the US Oct 16 00:50:17 so, what do you use instead? Oct 16 00:50:21 Ebay Oct 16 00:50:34 Hence it diddn't really take off in a significant way. Oct 16 00:51:00 actually I failed to know it until ~20 min ago Oct 16 00:51:04 can ebay supercede local trading in everyway? Oct 16 00:51:15 tramp: yes. Oct 16 00:51:26 tramp: If ebay has a large enough offering. Oct 16 00:52:09 how about a site that combines ebay with local items Oct 16 00:52:49 You can't do that and comply with ebays TOS Oct 16 00:52:56 * DocScrutinizer thinks ebay already did that Oct 16 00:53:12 did they Oct 16 00:53:31 The problem with competing against ebay is that now ebay has two rerigerators within 5 miles of me. Oct 16 00:53:38 can you make an ebay app then? Oct 16 00:54:16 yes Oct 16 00:54:20 There is an API Oct 16 00:54:41 make an ebay app, that also downloads craigslist info...and then Oct 16 00:55:10 Alas no time. Oct 16 00:55:25 make a better craigslist site that sees regular updates, add pictures, profiles, irc Oct 16 00:55:45 make it more trustworthy Oct 16 00:55:52 It's easy to make a successful competitor to ebay. Oct 16 00:56:03 First make a nice shiny low-bandwidth fast site. Oct 16 00:56:13 Now, obtain a time machine and go back to 1993. Oct 16 00:56:25 ok i wad going to say Oct 16 00:57:02 its not that easy to compete with ebay, but to support ebay should be fine Oct 16 00:57:35 Ebay basically limits extremely what you can do with the API Oct 16 00:57:53 you cannot add 'competing' services into your app. Oct 16 00:58:14 so this seems likely to be a multimillion dollar idea, right now. is anyone interested? Oct 16 00:58:52 what do you mean? can you not list ebay items and process their info Oct 16 01:00:43 You can create apps to show ebay items and auctions, but you cannot (and comply with the TOS of the API) present any other 'competing' site along with ebay listings. Oct 16 01:01:38 it wont compete, ebay is just one supported site of the app Oct 16 01:01:48 the app is site neutral Oct 16 01:02:03 The API TOS do not let you do that. Oct 16 01:02:16 Last I read them - which was several years ago. Oct 16 01:02:27 youre becoming more vague Oct 16 01:03:00 It said something like 'you cannot show in your app any items or data from other auction or free item listing sites' Oct 16 01:03:48 why would it say that Oct 16 01:03:56 i dont think so Oct 16 01:04:05 Because ebay is a buisness. Oct 16 01:04:56 i doubt that. but it a quick ToS check could resolve any questions Oct 16 01:05:55 they are a business, and they dont want competitors, but this shouldnt violate that Oct 16 01:06:03 brb 2 Oct 16 01:09:51 back Oct 16 01:11:43 ok aside from a simple craigslist watcher, ive also made an irssi notifier for the n900 Oct 16 01:14:28 the n900 is awesome Oct 16 01:17:36 what else is new? Oct 16 01:21:48 some people dont understand Oct 16 01:22:40 http://developer.ebay.com/join/licenses/individual/ Oct 16 01:23:07 3.1.2.1 'you can't co-mingle ebay and other content' Oct 16 01:25:07 SpeedEvil: I wonder if that's legally binding Oct 16 01:25:29 YAY it lives! Oct 16 01:25:35 DocScrutinizer: me? Oct 16 01:25:41 yoh :-D Oct 16 01:26:37 luke-jr: If you violate the TOS - they pull the API key Oct 16 01:27:00 SpeedEvil: so scrape their HTML? Oct 16 01:27:13 DocScrutinizer: so what's so YAY about me all of a sudden? XD Oct 16 01:27:22 Soemthing else says no spidering. Oct 16 01:27:37 luke-jr: rare guest Oct 16 01:27:38 So you risk your app stopping working. Oct 16 01:27:51 DocScrutinizer: I'm swamped these days :/ Oct 16 01:28:08 ah crap, i cant open the pdf, im out of space on rootfs Oct 16 01:28:25 SpeedEvil: I'd argue fair use Oct 16 01:28:52 Sure./ Oct 16 01:29:11 And arguing fair use doesn't make your app start wonrkin gagain once ebay are actively trying to blck it. Oct 16 01:29:18 you can always update the app to the new chnages, like every youtube app has to Oct 16 01:30:46 ebay cant distinguish the app from am,ny other browser if it doesnt identify itself thus Oct 16 01:31:11 ever heard of jbidwatcher? Oct 16 01:31:24 uses scraping, works fine Oct 16 01:31:45 i bougt this n900 with it Oct 16 01:32:33 heh Oct 16 01:33:16 im going to have to spend the next day finding out what else i can optify to get 5 more meg on my rootfs Oct 16 01:33:37 should run on it too... but likely a little too memory-hungry Oct 16 01:34:19 I like esniper. Oct 16 01:34:32 Nice and simple command line sniper Oct 16 01:35:28 speedevil: i like the searching and watching just as much as the sniping Oct 16 01:36:18 that's also what the discussion was about i think Oct 16 01:39:47 well, my first project was to port a few useful packages to the n900, but mud-builder isnt working on my n900 Oct 16 01:40:14 it looks like ill have to manually optify and rebuild the packages Oct 16 01:43:59 tramp: you know N900/Maemo is dead, right? Oct 16 01:44:46 no i was not aware Oct 16 01:45:10 i have only a suspicion Oct 16 01:45:49 if it is dead, what replaces it? Oct 16 01:46:28 the N9? Oct 16 01:48:16 It's certainly dropping in popularity, as devices fail and ail. Oct 16 01:48:31 And non-committed users move on. Oct 16 01:50:13 until there is another phone that can also accept mouse and kbd, run kismet, ... Oct 16 01:50:32 accept flash drives Oct 16 01:51:02 run other debian packages like irssi, vim Oct 16 01:51:47 why would i want the latest phone cpu when i cant run anything on it? Oct 16 01:52:27 or multitask so efficiently Oct 16 01:57:07 I'm not disagreeing. Oct 16 01:57:45 It's just that we're several months after the last new n900s were available through usual channels. Oct 16 01:58:01 i had motorola linux phones before... were rather disappointing... Oct 16 01:58:14 yes Oct 16 01:58:42 i bricked my old captivate droid just flashing a new mod Oct 16 01:59:26 the software was buggy and froze midflash Oct 16 02:00:13 it also didnt support monitor mode on the wifi chip, and the firmware was closed source and too difficult to hack Oct 16 02:01:23 i gave up on the phones that dont have developers in mind Oct 16 02:01:31 shouldn't one advantage of a relatively open platform like mademo/n900 be that it's relatively easy to keep them supported? or is the n9 platform 100% incompatible? Oct 16 02:01:43 tramp: there is no viable replacement, unfortunately Oct 16 02:02:11 also, NITs are not phones Oct 16 02:02:26 r00t|n900: Maemo is less open than Android, really. Oct 16 02:02:31 NITs? Oct 16 02:02:36 Nokia Internet Tablets Oct 16 02:02:58 thanks Oct 16 02:03:25 I would LOVE to see a replacement, but I haven't seen any yet Oct 16 02:03:33 if history tells us anything, there won't be one for 3 years or so Oct 16 02:03:49 (the time between Sharp's last handheld and Nokia starting on viable handhelds) Oct 16 02:04:07 luke-jr: "relatively"... the only really open phone is the neo/frerunner thing anyway Oct 16 02:04:09 funny, with droid i had to flash to get root, then flash something from Bobs Mod Farm to get buggy cool mode Oct 16 02:04:34 tramp: root access has nothing to do with it being open source Oct 16 02:04:42 that's merely a matter of how the OS was installed Oct 16 02:04:47 i know Oct 16 02:05:12 actually, I do wonder if some of the Android phones could be wiped clean and run a viable Gentoo install Oct 16 02:05:52 it might be more open, but i havent run into any closed source walls myself on maemo, and it seems like all this stuff i do is naturally supported Oct 16 02:06:14 N900 wasn't too bad I suppose Oct 16 02:06:18 if you want to rewrite userspace :P Oct 16 02:06:38 but the hardware is pretty poor by today's expectations Oct 16 02:06:46 even when it was released, the 256 MB RAM was really lacking Oct 16 02:06:46 you can hack Debian and Ubuntu onto the droids, but its much hackier than EasyDebian install from AppManager Oct 16 02:07:03 * luke-jr never saw the point to EasyDebian tbh Oct 16 02:08:40 like i said, how can i drop $800 or so on hardware when it cant even run my progs Oct 16 02:09:25 luke-jr: i know, right? we can install debian apps directly to the phone Oct 16 02:09:53