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Oct 17 04:49:45 <jonwil> anyone here know of an N900 mapping app that can do public transport stuff?
Oct 17 04:50:21 <jonwil> i.e. Google Transit
Oct 17 04:50:22 <jonwil> type thing
Oct 17 04:52:02 <psycho_oreos> I think there are but they are typically localised variants
Oct 17 04:52:06 <joga> jonwil modrana can do that in some proportion I think, and maep at least can show the bus/etc. lines where I live
Oct 17 04:52:46 <jonwil> let me read modrana feature list
Oct 17 04:53:44 <jonwil> thats if I can find the feature list
Oct 17 04:58:25 <jonwil> bah, cant find a usable feature list
Oct 17 04:58:27 <jonwil> google is no help
Oct 17 05:00:15 <psycho_oreos> jonwil, would this be it? http://modrana.org/trac/wiki/SystemFunctionalityEN
Oct 17 05:01:23 <jonwil> That doesnt tell me anything about if it supports public transit stuff and if so, what sort of it
Oct 17 05:02:46 <psycho_oreos> to me it seems more like a GPS recorder and recaller tool simply by skimming through the features and stuff written on main page
Oct 17 05:02:52 <psycho_oreos> err main wiki page
Oct 17 05:02:53 <jonwil> yeah
Oct 17 05:03:22 <jonwil> All I want is a navigation app that supports Google Transit transit data
Oct 17 05:26:01 <SpeedEvil> Isn't google transit data not publically available?
Oct 17 05:29:17 <joga> modrana is more than a gps recorder, it has modes for bus and tram etc but I'm not sure how finished those are
Oct 17 05:29:20 <jonwil> it depends on the operator
Oct 17 05:29:36 <jonwil> My transit operator makes Google Transit GTFS data available
Oct 17 05:30:29 <SpeedEvil> ah
Oct 17 05:50:35 <psycho_oreos> !aegis
Oct 17 05:50:41 <psycho_oreos> ~aegis
Oct 17 05:50:42 <infobot> http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or  http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif
Oct 17 06:00:43 <woldrich> do anyone know where the radio stations is stored?
Oct 17 06:02:58 <Sicelo> each radio app should have it's own db, i suppose. afact there is no centralized location
Oct 17 06:03:00 <psycho_oreos> there's like two FMRX programs that I know of
Oct 17 06:04:20 <woldrich> I mean in the default media player thingy
Oct 17 06:05:48 <woldrich> oh jesus
Oct 17 06:05:50 <SpeedEvil> The python one is stupidly laggy
Oct 17 06:05:53 <SpeedEvil> IME
Oct 17 06:06:08 <woldrich> they actually use sqlite for the list of radio stations
Oct 17 06:06:22 * Sicelo finds cfm to be the smoothest. and Martin Grimme's radio is the best for me, with 0.05MHz steps.
Oct 17 06:06:38 <Sicelo> if only they didn't use the 'slider'
Oct 17 06:06:55 <Sicelo> yeah woldrich. most stuff is sqlite :P
Oct 17 06:07:06 <woldrich> grr
Oct 17 06:09:00 <Sicelo> ~ime
Oct 17 06:09:00 <infobot> i guess ime is in my experience, or input method editor
Oct 17 06:10:05 <woldrich> ~x
Oct 17 06:10:59 <slonopotamus> ~~
Oct 17 06:11:40 <woldrich> ~'
Oct 17 09:22:29 <cityLights> who is going to this year FOSDEm?
Oct 17 09:22:49 <jacekowski> it was few months ago
Oct 17 09:22:54 <jacekowski> next fosdem is next year
Oct 17 09:23:13 <cityLights> right 4-5 feb
Oct 17 09:28:11 <jacekowski> i'm going 
Oct 17 11:20:47 <Juozapas> is it possible to watch vimeo clips on n900?
Oct 17 11:25:48 <psycho_oreos> no idea, try
Oct 17 11:52:39 <arnet> again, did anyone hear that virtual keyboard stops working after CSSU install?
Oct 17 11:53:15 <psycho_oreos> not in my case
Oct 17 11:54:35 <arnet> I found only one link on google, to be precise in cache http://goo.gl/ygU21
Oct 17 11:55:35 <DocScrutinizer> arnet: no
Oct 17 11:56:00 <arnet> I use ukeyboard with extra keymaps. may be that's the reason.
Oct 17 11:56:04 <arnet> hmmm...
Oct 17 11:58:23 <psycho_oreos> ime inputs such as scim, maemocjk, etc may interfere but I cannot see how CSSU can interfere. Plus the guy in that link doesn't really know what he's on about, he has multiple issues and he couldn't describe his situation properly
Oct 17 11:59:04 <arnet> yep... but thanks for the hint, I'll look whether I have scim and maemocjk installed.
Oct 17 12:34:43 <jack_lt> DocScrutinizer, bought a new F - F adapter, no improvements
Oct 17 12:57:28 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/17/nanoparticle_electronics/
Oct 17 13:43:30 <jack_lt> DocScrutinizer, this grey one I have http://pulsator.com/product/879921/809/CMP-USBADAP4.html
Oct 17 14:38:41 * SpeedEvil was stuck in the town centre waiting for a bus.
Oct 17 14:39:00 <SpeedEvil> For no good reason, I went into all the mobile phone shops, and asked about n9.
Oct 17 14:39:57 <jacekowski> and
Oct 17 14:40:01 <jacekowski> what happened
Oct 17 14:40:05 <jacekowski> have you bought one
Oct 17 14:40:08 <javispedro> ... and you now have reason to believe the n9 is all but a dream?
Oct 17 14:40:31 <javispedro> *only a dream ;P
Oct 17 14:47:10 <javispedro> cmon, the expectation!
Oct 17 14:47:54 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: naah - not stocked of course.
Oct 17 14:48:11 <SpeedEvil> If every one of us goes in every day to all the shops, and asks for it... :)
Oct 17 14:49:11 <javispedro> heh, it was known at least, that's a plus when compared to over here.
Oct 17 14:51:12 <dreamer> hey all. anyone familiar with easydebian? I'm trying to upgrade the image to the latset packages. then my n900 suddenly rebooted and now dpkg is 'stuck'. I get an 'E: dpkg was interupted ..' after which 'dpkg --configure -a' gives a 'dpkg: failed in buffer_read(fd): copy info file '/var/lib/dpkg/status': Input/output error'
Oct 17 15:01:04 <jack_lt> DocScrutinizer, we measure 5.06 V, f -f adapter, connected to n900 via usb cable
Oct 17 15:02:00 <DocScrutinizer> you checked for right polarity?
Oct 17 15:04:24 <DocScrutinizer> also, could you possibly use a 50 Ohm resistor to touch VBUS and GND to create a load?
Oct 17 15:08:27 <DocScrutinizer> or alternatively use any of those silly USB gadgets that have no electronics at all and just abuse the USB for power supply, like lamp or fan or dunno what else exists
Oct 17 15:09:09 <jack_lt> DocScrutinizer, will check for the right polarity later ...
Oct 17 15:12:22 <DocScrutinizer> I could think of any other process on your system running in background detects plugin of USB logic (aka session start) and then interfere with bq24150 by dunno which action. Rule out by using a load that has no logic, no connection to data lines of USB. Other than that I only could think of either all your adapters being messed up or broken, or your N900 hw - incl battery - has a problem
Oct 17 15:21:22 <jack_lt> hmm
Oct 17 15:22:35 <jack_lt> I don't think I have signs that something is wrong with my battery
Oct 17 15:23:09 <jack_lt> all though mu n900 acts weird sometimes when charging via usb cable, lockups
Oct 17 15:23:15 <jack_lt> *my
Oct 17 15:23:39 <DocScrutinizer> to rule that out you may want to make sure your screen backlight is off when starting booston
Oct 17 15:24:06 <jack_lt> screen backlight off?
Oct 17 15:25:01 <jack_lt> you mean notification light?
Oct 17 15:25:06 <DocScrutinizer> yep, as it draws a bit of current from battery. If there'S a problem with battery, switching light off may help 
Oct 17 15:25:39 <DocScrutinizer> I mean display screen backlight
Oct 17 15:26:42 <DocScrutinizer> and pretty please test with a POWERED usb hub!
Oct 17 15:26:52 <jack_lt> via settings > display?
Oct 17 15:27:07 * DocScrutinizer suggests lockswitch
Oct 17 15:27:47 * jack_lt has power saving mode on
Oct 17 15:28:17 <jack_lt> 'display stays lit when charging' (off here)
Oct 17 15:28:35 <jack_lt> backlight time-out > 30 sec
Oct 17 15:29:49 <jack_lt> lockswitch?
Oct 17 15:31:03 <DocScrutinizer> *sigh*
Oct 17 15:31:19 <DocScrutinizer> that little slider thing right small side of device?
Oct 17 15:32:03 <jack_lt> ah :)
Oct 17 15:34:40 <jack_lt> doesn't help 
Oct 17 15:34:55 <DocScrutinizer> thought as much
Oct 17 15:35:40 <DocScrutinizer> your noze about device locking up during charging worries me
Oct 17 15:35:49 <DocScrutinizer> note*
Oct 17 15:36:38 <jack_lt> it happens sometimes/ then it seems hard to boot the device
Oct 17 15:36:53 <DocScrutinizer> also your kernel worries me, afaik it's the PK that has this incredibly nasty I2C bug
Oct 17 15:37:16 <jack_lt> actually it happens when charging with the adapter
Oct 17 15:37:23 <jack_lt> which kernel is recommended?
Oct 17 15:37:41 <DocScrutinizer> well, to haunt bugs always use stock kernel
Oct 17 15:38:16 <DocScrutinizer> it won't work for hostmode, but should rule out any hidden bugs in PK48 for good
Oct 17 15:38:32 * jack_lt has pk48
Oct 17 15:38:34 <dreamer> meh, anyone on idea how to get my easydebian to work again?
Oct 17 15:39:15 <DocScrutinizer> and that I2C bug is all but hidden meanwhile - I shouted and swore enough here in this channel so it's supposed to be gone in latest powerkernel
Oct 17 15:40:00 <dreamer> hmm, just realized I didn't install the latest image (v3d instead of v3e), maybe that one works better
Oct 17 15:40:18 <DocScrutinizer> absolutely weird hw related problems like yours seems to be are exactly what'S to be expected from that I2C bug btw
Oct 17 15:40:32 <jack_lt> hmm
Oct 17 15:41:11 <jack_lt> and the bug is in 46 also?
Oct 17 15:41:15 <jack_lt> pk 46
Oct 17 15:41:32 <DocScrutinizer> I don't think so, but I'm not sure
Oct 17 15:42:09 <DocScrutinizer> check pk changelog, look for bq27200
Oct 17 15:42:59 <DocScrutinizer> the versions that claim to support bq27200 sysfs interface will most likely have the bug
Oct 17 15:43:21 <DocScrutinizer> aka battery gauge chip
Oct 17 15:45:43 <jack_lt> 49: * add support for accessing bq27200 battery registers using ioctl
Oct 17 15:46:32 <jack_lt> 48: * disabled board-rx51-peripherals.diff (disabled autoloading bq27x00_battery module)
Oct 17 15:46:42 <DocScrutinizer> you'll probably need to read the powerkernel tmo thread
Oct 17 15:46:57 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/17/verizon_privacy/
Oct 17 15:48:35 <jack_lt> powerkernel tmo thread?
Oct 17 15:51:00 <jack_lt> sorry that's too much jargon for me
Oct 17 15:51:03 <jack_lt> :)
Oct 17 15:51:58 <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaNzEqhAa1s&feature=feedrec_grec_index
Oct 17 15:54:01 <DocScrutinizer> jack_lt: >> * BME and bq27x00_battery module cannot live together << indicates this kernel has NO nasty I2C patch/bug which got introduced to "fix" that issue
Oct 17 15:54:42 <DocScrutinizer> ~tmo
Oct 17 15:54:43 <infobot> somebody said tmo was http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes
Oct 17 15:54:51 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879
Oct 17 15:55:38 <RST38h> Since when script kiddiez started tweaking kernels?
Oct 17 16:10:25 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Oct 17 16:10:30 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=11558701
Oct 17 16:10:56 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: ^^^ check there for first date mentioning the I2C hack
Oct 17 16:12:01 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: the real problem is you can't discuss with script kiddies, you only can shout at them and that usually also doesn't help
Oct 17 16:14:24 <DocScrutinizer> seems v49 implements some new "magic" involving ioctl and I'm all but sure this hack will work now and will *not* mess with I2C causing collisions or deadlocks or whatever - note I say I dunno, I haven't checked the new "magic" yet
Oct 17 16:14:57 <DocScrutinizer> seems the thread has quite a number of reported issues with 49 regarding bq27x00 though
Oct 17 16:15:19 <DocScrutinizer> starting with post #1805
Oct 17 16:15:31 <DocScrutinizer> s/with/after/
Oct 17 16:15:31 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: starting after post #1805
Oct 17 16:17:39 <jack_lt> pk 48 has the bug or not?
Oct 17 16:19:59 <dreamer> hmm, somehow the internal memory of my n900 doesn't get recognized by the host when I'm in storage mode
Oct 17 16:20:14 <dreamer> I only see the expansion micro-sd
Oct 17 16:22:50 <DocScrutinizer> jack_lt: pk48 definitely has the bug
Oct 17 16:22:54 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1008209&highlight=bq27*+joerg*#post1008209
Oct 17 16:23:00 <DocScrutinizer> ff
Oct 17 16:23:22 <dreamer> hmm, the disk is still mounted on the phone. strange
Oct 17 16:23:40 <DocScrutinizer> jack_lt: unclear what's status of pk49 - might have even worse bugs, like yours maybe
Oct 17 16:24:05 * jack_lt uses pk 48 atm
Oct 17 16:24:16 <jack_lt> DocScrutinizer, which kernel do you advise
Oct 17 16:24:34 <DocScrutinizer> use 46, you're on the safe side I think
Oct 17 16:25:14 <DocScrutinizer> but for debug purposes I strongly recommend going back to stock kernel for now, then check booston there
Oct 17 16:25:39 <jack_lt> ok, will check later
Oct 17 16:25:45 <jack_lt> thx so far
Oct 17 16:25:46 <jack_lt> bbl
Oct 17 16:25:49 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Oct 17 16:25:54 <DocScrutinizer> thanks for reporting
Oct 17 16:26:01 <dreamer> I see the internal storage show up in dmesg, but it doesn't get mounted
Oct 17 16:27:18 <DocScrutinizer> dreamer: storage only gets unmounted and exposed to USB when no app/process has open filehandles on it,  otherwise umount fails
Oct 17 16:28:08 <DocScrutinizer> dreamer lsof/fuser might be your best friends
Oct 17 16:28:37 <dreamer> on the phone or the host?
Oct 17 16:28:49 <DocScrutinizer> or - to start with - simply close *all* running apps
Oct 17 16:28:57 <dreamer> I have
Oct 17 16:28:57 <DocScrutinizer> on phone obviously
Oct 17 16:30:12 <DocScrutinizer> sometimes a reboot does wonders ;-D
Oct 17 16:30:26 <dreamer> ok, I tried lsof and fuser on both storage devices (/dev/mmcb1k{0-1} )
Oct 17 16:30:38 <dreamer> DocScrutinizer: rebooting is for windows-users ;)
Oct 17 16:30:44 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Oct 17 16:31:13 <DocScrutinizer> umount ~user/MyDocs -> check error messages
Oct 17 16:31:51 <dreamer> hmm, Device or resource busy
Oct 17 16:32:02 <DocScrutinizer> see? ;-)
Oct 17 16:32:11 <DocScrutinizer> btw mmcblk
Oct 17 16:32:33 <dreamer> there is no mmcblk
Oct 17 16:32:59 <dreamer> there is device 0 and 1, each hase a their own partitions p{1,2,3}
Oct 17 16:33:00 <DocScrutinizer> ooh? /dev/mmcblk0p1
Oct 17 16:33:29 <dreamer> (actually the expansions only has one partition, but you know what I mean)
Oct 17 16:33:32 <dreamer> anyway ..
Oct 17 16:33:41 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:/usr/sbin# mount|grep /dev/mmcblk0p1
Oct 17 16:33:42 <DocScrutinizer> /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir)
Oct 17 16:34:37 <dreamer> I don't have my ~user/Mydocs mounted separately actually hehe
Oct 17 16:34:53 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:/usr/sbin# ls /dev/mmcb1k*
Oct 17 16:34:55 <DocScrutinizer> ls: Zugriff auf /dev/mmcb1k* nicht möglich: No such file or directory
Oct 17 16:35:12 <dreamer> ok, I'll try rebooting. I see lots of /.debian/ stuff in mount. that's perhaps because I was playing with EasyDebian (want to try new image actually)
Oct 17 16:35:29 <DocScrutinizer> HAHA yeah, you bet
Oct 17 16:35:42 <dreamer> ah, check
Oct 17 16:35:52 <dreamer> I ran the 'Close Debian' from the menu
Oct 17 16:35:56 <dreamer> now it's shows up \o/
Oct 17 16:36:00 <dreamer> ok, good to keep in mind hehe
Oct 17 16:36:08 <DocScrutinizer> easy, isn't it? ;-P
Oct 17 16:36:40 <DocScrutinizer> btw I'd call easy-debian an "app"
Oct 17 16:36:53 <DocScrutinizer> which probably should've been closed correctly
Oct 17 16:36:58 <kerio> it's not a normal app, it does shit with unixy stuff
Oct 17 16:37:08 <dreamer> it's more like a chroot isn't it?
Oct 17 16:37:09 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: I know
Oct 17 16:37:11 <kerio> you couldn't run easy debian on iOS :)
Oct 17 16:37:30 <kerio> i mean, you could, but apple would never approve it
Oct 17 16:37:35 * dreamer trying to get this to work in easydebian: http://enchevetres.org/doku.php?id=tek:puredata
Oct 17 16:37:40 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-10-17 18:24:37] <DocScrutinizer> or - to start with - simply close *all* running apps [2011-10-17 18:24:46] <dreamer> I have
Oct 17 16:37:41 <dreamer> except the image is really old -_-
Oct 17 16:37:43 <dreamer> still lenny
Oct 17 16:37:55 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: close *all* the apps! _o/
Oct 17 16:37:59 <dreamer> DocScrutinizer: well I did close easydebian, just not everything was umounted
Oct 17 16:38:17 <dreamer> < kerio> i mean, you could, but apple would never approve it  << hahaha
Oct 17 16:38:18 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-10-17 18:32:41] <DocScrutinizer> which probably should've been closed ***correctly***
Oct 17 16:38:36 <kerio> dreamer: well, iOS is a bsd system
Oct 17 16:38:52 <dreamer> I know
Oct 17 16:39:04 <dreamer> and the current debian userspace can work with bsd kernels ;)
Oct 17 16:39:37 <dreamer> but easydebian is still lenny, so I don't think that would work easily
Oct 17 16:41:11 <kerio> why? it's not running the whole of lenny
Oct 17 16:41:44 <dreamer> true, ok I'm not a developer, but I'm guessing not all the 'hooks' may be there to do the full chroot. I donnu
Oct 17 16:41:48 <dreamer> dunno*
Oct 17 16:41:57 <dreamer> anyway, let me see if this newer image can actually d-u
Oct 17 16:45:46 <jack_lt> DocScrutinizer, testing booston with stock kernel, means also connecting usb peripherals?
Oct 17 16:46:01 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Oct 17 16:46:40 <jack_lt> k
Oct 17 17:34:32 <messerting> Yo, the wiki is down: http://wiki.maemo.org/
Oct 17 17:38:43 <DocScrutinizer> \o/
Oct 17 17:40:05 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wiki.maemo.org   >> It's just you. http://wiki.maemo.org is up. Check another site? <<
Oct 17 17:41:20 <messerting> Works now
Oct 17 17:41:52 <messerting> (there was a message about db connection error)
Oct 17 17:47:15 <ErwinJunge> I'm going to try to build xbmc for Maemo. How do I make a deb package out of the result of "make install"?
Oct 17 17:47:38 <ErwinJunge> Assuming I can get "make" to not blow up that is
Oct 17 17:52:01 <merlin1991> ErwinJunge: have a look at debhelper
Oct 17 17:52:14 <merlin1991> or check the debian/ directory of any other package
Oct 17 17:52:58 <merlin1991> btw are you compiling darhma or eden?
Oct 17 18:02:54 <Sazpaimon> anyone interested in a steam chat plugin for telepathy?
Oct 17 18:24:17 <toxaris> Hello
Oct 17 18:24:34 <toxaris> Enyone inte to Mail For Exchange problems?
Oct 17 18:24:47 <toxaris> in to*
Oct 17 18:41:51 <bigbluehat> I've got an N800…under my desk….what are my OS options besides OS2008? any?
Oct 17 18:42:28 <bigbluehat> I'm cool with sticking with OS2008 if a) I can get #couchdb running on it, and b) it has some amount of future (bug fixes, etc)
Oct 17 18:44:30 <DocScrutinizer51> bigbluehat: I got no idea, but maybe there's a link to info:
Oct 17 18:44:37 <DocScrutinizer51> ~cssu
Oct 17 18:44:38 <infobot> cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Oct 17 18:46:42 <bigbluehat> cool. thanks.
Oct 17 18:47:20 <bigbluehat> looks like I actually want this one: http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project
Oct 17 18:47:42 <bigbluehat> since Maemo5 isn't compatible with anything < N900
Oct 17 18:54:23 <ErwinJunge> merlin1991: current git, but so far I'm only managing to get it to blow up....
Oct 17 19:01:14 <dreamer> uhg, ok. can't upgrade easydebian. that's for sure. and I can't install any other .debs either. unfortunately
Oct 17 19:01:29 <dreamer> so. how would I go about getting pd-extended to run on my n900? :P
Oct 17 19:05:47 <DocScrutinizer> bigbluehat: I know, but iirc there's been a link to diablo-CSSU on that page above
Oct 17 19:07:38 <DocScrutinizer> bigbluehat: that's why I said "there's", not "this is"
Oct 17 19:12:38 <ErwinJunge> How hard is it to get autoconf >=2.63 on scratchbox?
Oct 17 19:17:14 <bigbluehat> DocScrutinizer: gotcha, sorry for being lazy with my parsing. :)
Oct 17 19:17:23 <bigbluehat> I'll give the CSSU build a try soon
Oct 17 20:01:51 * dreamer trying upgrade again, this time with aptitude ..
Oct 17 20:05:24 <bindi> hmm
Oct 17 20:05:41 <bindi> i wonder if it's possible to update your n900's ip to no-ip
Oct 17 20:07:45 <Sicelo> should be :/
Oct 17 20:13:27 <bindi> orly :)
Oct 17 20:13:30 <bindi> a better idea though
Oct 17 20:13:38 <bindi> how do i execute a script every time internet connection is established?
Oct 17 20:15:23 <Sicelo> if someone doesn't tell u how here, u will find it on tmo or wmo. i know it's there
Oct 17 20:15:38 <bindi> i'm looking at http://wiki.maemo.org/DbusScripts
Oct 17 20:16:16 <bindi>   /some/script * * com.nokia.icd status_changed * WLAN_INFRA
Oct 17 20:16:19 <NIN101> bindi: put it in /etc/network/if-up.d/
Oct 17 20:16:20 <bindi> for wlan :-) 
Oct 17 20:16:27 <bindi> oh, okay
Oct 17 20:16:28 <bindi> :D
Oct 17 20:17:07 <bindi> i can just name it script.py and it will be executed? 
Oct 17 20:17:10 <bindi> chmod +x ofcourse
Oct 17 20:17:25 <NIN101> it'll be executed whenever an interface gets up
Oct 17 20:17:59 <NIN101> you'll get an environment variable telling you what interface atm is about to be "up".
Oct 17 20:19:05 <NIN101> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Mhn1kA0c somethign like this would get the time from an network server when an internet connection was established over WLAn.
Oct 17 20:19:17 <slonopotamus> fyi: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1110137&postcount=33
Oct 17 20:19:32 <bindi> what other possibilities are there?
Oct 17 20:19:40 <bindi> i'm fine with 3g and wlan
Oct 17 20:21:28 <Sicelo> nice script NIN101 
Oct 17 20:24:24 <messerting> Norwegian TV show will stream 24 hours of one persons life using Nokia N9 this Friday: http://www.tv2.no/underholdning/senkveld/-hva-om-jeg-treffer-dama-i-mitt-liv-3611481.html
Oct 17 20:25:20 <SpeedEvil> That is probably too long playing angry birds.
Oct 17 20:26:21 <NIN101> Sicelo: thx.
Oct 17 20:29:45 <NIN101> bindi: you can replace the if... with "if  [ "$IFACE" = "wlan0" -o "$IFACE" = "gprs0" ] ; then" i think, and then your python command... 
Oct 17 20:33:14 <bindi> NIN101: i have ip.py in /etc/network/if-up.d and i made it executable
Oct 17 20:33:30 <bindi> changing from wlan to 3G and nothing 
Oct 17 20:33:49 <bindi> running the script manually does the job though
Oct 17 20:38:15 <bindi> hmm
Oct 17 20:57:14 <ShadowJK> I saw a tv ad of N9 today
Oct 17 20:57:31 <ShadowJK> and local newspaper's (non-technical newspaper) editor reviewed N9
Oct 17 20:58:30 <ShadowJK> in a humorous manner, by writing of the hypothetical nokia engineer called "Steve Sboj", who among other things is responsible for making it difficult to use MfE, and difficult to close apps, etc etc :P
Oct 17 21:01:09 <DocScrutinizer> bindi: ip.py seems to have the wrong extension - no really
Oct 17 21:01:17 <bindi> huh? :<
Oct 17 21:01:55 <DocScrutinizer> I don't think the process working on all those scripts is made to start python scripts just like shell does
Oct 17 21:02:04 <bindi> right
Oct 17 21:02:24 <bindi> so #/!bin/sh python ip.py? :D
Oct 17 21:02:47 <DocScrutinizer> maybe even the right shebang helps, if you don't have it already
Oct 17 21:02:55 <bindi> the what o_O
Oct 17 21:03:05 <Sicelo> :)
Oct 17 21:03:20 <DocScrutinizer> basically yes, exactly what you mentioned
Oct 17 21:03:36 <DocScrutinizer> ~wtf shebang
Oct 17 21:03:37 <infobot> Gee...  I don't know what shebang means... 
Oct 17 21:03:43 <DocScrutinizer> ~shebang
Oct 17 21:03:44 <infobot> i guess shebang is the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the shell which interpreter to use
Oct 17 21:04:35 <bindi> right
Oct 17 21:04:36 <bindi> well
Oct 17 21:04:38 <bindi> it still doesn't work
Oct 17 21:05:25 <DocScrutinizer> if the process is using e.g. system("path/to/script") then I'm rather unsure it would work
Oct 17 21:05:40 <bindi> firing it up manually works
Oct 17 21:06:09 <DocScrutinizer> if it'S a shellscript just sourcing the files in ip-up.d/ the obviously it can not work
Oct 17 21:06:25 <DocScrutinizer> then*
Oct 17 21:07:13 <DocScrutinizer> try a simple shellscript wit one line: python path/to/ip.py
Oct 17 21:07:30 <NIN101> something like this should work: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MLBH5ehr 
Oct 17 21:08:32 <DocScrutinizer> hi NIN101 
Oct 17 21:08:40 <NIN101> hi DocScrutinizer 
Oct 17 21:26:22 <luke-jr> possible to get Maemo to always dial a fixed number, then DTMF the destination>?
Oct 17 21:35:50 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: I got asked for that (or a similar) "app" and looked quite a bit into it. No way to cleanly implement it
Oct 17 21:36:07 <luke-jr> :/
Oct 17 21:36:51 <DocScrutinizer> you can't intercept&modify the d-bus call or anywhere form top of telepathy stack down to isi
Oct 17 21:37:26 <bindi> NIN101: i have a script like that
Oct 17 21:37:31 <bindi> #!/bin/sh 
Oct 17 21:37:33 <DocScrutinizer> you *could* tear down the original call in a fraction of a second, and palce a new call instead
Oct 17 21:37:36 <bindi> ... yeah 
Oct 17 21:37:41 <bindi> let me try with the path in there
Oct 17 21:38:15 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: but my toenails curl up on trying to implement such BS
Oct 17 21:39:57 <bindi> right, works with the absolute path
Oct 17 21:40:03 <DocScrutinizer> asking for a hook in telepathy the answer was "help us implement it for harmattan! why would you want to do it for fremantle anyway?"
Oct 17 21:43:45 <DocScrutinizer> s/harmattan/meego/
Oct 17 21:43:46 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: asking for a hook in telepathy the answer was "help us implement it for meego! why would you want to do it for fremantle anyway?"
Oct 17 22:42:00 <NIN101> gn8
Oct 17 23:33:30 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: post-dialing DTMF however should be absolutely straigtforward (think I even tested it): <number>W<dmtf>
Oct 17 23:33:57 <DocScrutinizer> all in lime to ETSI/3GPP specs, aka AT-cmdset
Oct 17 23:34:05 <DocScrutinizer> line*
Oct 17 23:35:47 <luke-jr> so I could just sed my addressbook? :P
Oct 17 23:36:10 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: I'm quite sure w and p work and I tested both, not sure about ; , etc
Oct 17 23:36:49 <DocScrutinizer> well ; prolly doesn't make sense anyway, for dialer
Oct 17 23:38:15 <DocScrutinizer> umm, dialer only has "p"? on "*+"
Oct 17 23:41:39 <DocScrutinizer> anyway my account balance contact phone-number is 5667p1 since ages, and it worked on Nokia 6210 and on N900 after I complaned and the whole USSD thing got fixed
Oct 17 23:42:34 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if anybody tested it on N950
Oct 17 23:57:16 <HyperSnyper> Doc got any themes for the n900 to suggest ?
Oct 17 23:57:18 <HyperSnyper> :P
Oct 18 00:03:26 <DocScrutinizer> nah, I never cared about themes, as long as the actual one isn't completely useless (gray on gray for example)
Oct 18 00:06:41 <DocScrutinizer> or green on black ;-P
Oct 18 00:25:48 <bindi> is there an alternative to cron on n900?
Oct 18 00:43:40 <HyperSnyper> bindi > i was looking it "Alarmed" few days aago seems to be a GUI for adding commands/scripts to the n900 alarm function
Oct 18 00:43:52 <HyperSnyper> not actually tried it myself though..
Oct 18 00:45:09 <bindi> let's see
Oct 18 00:45:54 <HyperSnyper> or there's Fcron > http://wiki.maemo.org/Fcron
Oct 18 00:46:46 <bindi> alarmed seems better :p
Oct 18 01:05:12 <jonwil> anyone here any good with autoconf and friends?
Oct 18 01:06:39 <nox-> well just ask you q
Oct 18 01:06:45 <nox-> your even
Oct 18 01:07:14 <bindi> i wonder if it's possible to take pictures with the front camera and upload them on demand
Oct 18 01:07:23 <bindi> with a script that is
Oct 18 01:07:58 <bindi> or rather
Oct 18 01:08:07 <bindi> how to take pictures with the front camera using terminal? :p
Oct 18 01:14:21 <HyperSnyper> bindi > http://pastebin.com/tWpapQCB
Oct 18 01:14:28 <HyperSnyper> i've not tested that myself either
Oct 18 01:14:29 <HyperSnyper> :P
Oct 18 01:15:01 <HyperSnyper> taken from a tutorial called "Finding Your Phone, the Linux Way"
Oct 18 01:17:43 <bindi> seems to work
Oct 18 01:17:48 <bindi> really bad image quality 
Oct 18 01:17:57 <HyperSnyper> front camera is really bad
Oct 18 01:17:58 <bindi> can't blame it :P
Oct 18 01:17:59 <bindi> yeah
Oct 18 01:18:30 <bindi> i'm bored so i now have a webpage where i can see my phones location, updated every 1 hour
Oct 18 01:18:37 <bindi> not google latitude but uses google maps :p
Oct 18 01:18:48 <bindi> and the ip of the phone is updated there each time it's connected
Oct 18 01:18:52 <bindi> so i can ssh in :D
Oct 18 01:20:22 <HyperSnyper> i use reverse tunnel out with ssh
Oct 18 01:20:47 <HyperSnyper> saves needing open port on phone connection
Oct 18 01:21:03 <bindi> got all ports open with 3G
Oct 18 01:21:36 <HyperSnyper> fair enough
Oct 18 01:21:44 <HyperSnyper> everyone has their own uses
Oct 18 01:21:46 <HyperSnyper> ;P
Oct 18 01:23:17 <bindi> hmm
Oct 18 01:23:20 <bindi> chmod +x cam.sh
Oct 18 01:23:25 <bindi> -rw-r--r--    1 user     root          142 Oct 18 04:18 cam.sh
Oct 18 01:23:28 <bindi> why you no work? :-(
Oct 18 01:23:45 <bindi> logged in as root
Oct 18 01:25:40 <bindi> meh
Oct 18 01:25:43 <bindi> dodgy home dir
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