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Oct 24 05:10:41 <jonwil> is it possible to restart hildon-home without restarting the phone?
Oct 24 05:13:55 <SpeedEvil> killing the process works
Oct 24 05:14:00 <jonwil> will it restart?
Oct 24 05:14:11 <SpeedEvil> yes, quite fast
Oct 24 05:18:11 <jonwil> that worked, it logged the Phone.Sim.get_service_provider_name dbus call
Oct 24 05:19:47 <jonwil> Now to run some dbus-send tests
Oct 24 05:25:59 <jonwil> I need some people to run the following command on their n900s
Oct 24 05:26:15 <jonwil> dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.get_service_provider_name
Oct 24 05:26:41 <jonwil> also dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.get_service_provider_info
Oct 24 05:26:51 <jonwil> trying to find out what that returns
Oct 24 05:58:11 <jonwil> I am determined to find out EXACTLY how the stock operator name widget gets the name it ends up displaying
Oct 24 05:59:23 <jonwil> ok, WTF. Why would get_service_provider_name return "3" as the service provider name. Doesnt sound like a valid service provider name to me...
Oct 24 05:59:33 <jonwil> or is there really a mobile operator named "3"?
Oct 24 06:00:13 <hiemanshu> jonwil: yes, http://www.three.com.au/
Oct 24 06:00:23 <jonwil> of course :)
Oct 24 06:01:26 <kerio> jonwil: it's "3 ITA" here, but i guess anglophone countries suck
Oct 24 06:03:15 <jonwil> what I need to find out is what this damn get_service_provider_info call returns
Oct 24 06:12:41 * jonwil wishes there was more documentation on this dbus crap
Oct 24 06:15:33 <psycho_oreos> actually 3 is supposedly hutchinson but was bought out by vodafone and so its technically known as vodafone hutchinson australia
Oct 24 06:16:13 <jonwil> yeah
Oct 24 06:16:45 <jonwil> what matters is that a value of "3" in a get_service_provider_name call (as I saw on pastebin somewhere) is legit
Oct 24 06:16:52 <jonwil> which it is
Oct 24 06:17:08 <psycho_oreos> as for dbus documentation there's a portion of that on the wiki, though yeah I'll agree its not very detailed and sometimes may leave you pondering how to get it all to work
Oct 24 06:18:06 <psycho_oreos> I'm not doubting you :) but I can't surf the net without the SIM card in it. Hint: I'm using wireless broadband that's part of 3 network
Oct 24 06:18:30 <jonwil> unfortunatly there is basically no documentaton at all for Phone.Sim.*
Oct 24 06:19:19 <jonwil> well basically none
Oct 24 06:20:51 <psycho_oreos> lemme guess, you're trying to get something to work with dbus-scripts?
Oct 24 06:22:19 <jonwil> nope, its for something else
Oct 24 06:22:25 <psycho_oreos> ahh ok
Oct 24 06:23:10 <jonwil> I am trying to find out how to use Phone.Sim.get_service_provider_info and Phone.Sim.get_service_provider_name (along with Phone.Net.get_operator_name) to get the same operator name as displayed by the stock widget
Oct 24 06:24:25 * jonwil is getting really annoyed at these undocumented dbus calls :(
Oct 24 06:24:38 <jonwil> Phone.Net.* is documented so thats good
Oct 24 06:24:43 <jonwil> but Phone.Sim.* is totally unknown
Oct 24 06:30:44 <jonwil> only references to get_service_provider_info I can find with google are to an announcement post for netmon (where it just says "hey, I found this call" without saying anything more), a rant from qwerty12 about non-openness with a reference to it and some references to a shell script for testing stuff which calls that method but doesnt tell me anything about its output
Oct 24 07:03:16 <jonwil> WOW, its actually displaying the correct cell tower name
Oct 24 07:03:52 <jonwil> now I need to find out what gets applied to the label for the stock home operator widget so I can make the custom code the same
Oct 24 07:03:56 <jonwil> so it looks more readable
Oct 24 07:25:34 <jonwil> IT WORKS
Oct 24 07:25:47 <jonwil> Found the right stuff to pass to gtk_rc_parse_string
Oct 24 07:25:54 <jonwil> and its readable
Oct 24 07:26:04 <jonwil> Now I just need to go somewhere where I can switch towers and see what happens
Oct 24 07:26:15 <jonwil> and like magic, it switches towers on me :)
Oct 24 07:26:24 <jonwil> thanks to me living far away from these towers
Oct 24 07:33:31 <cityLights> is anyone here in munich now?
Oct 24 07:33:51 <hiemanshu> jonwil: string "airtel' unit32 0 uint32 0 int32 0 for the first call
Oct 24 07:34:15 <jonwil> what about the other one?
Oct 24 07:34:41 <hiemanshu> array [
Oct 24 07:34:41 <hiemanshu> ]
Oct 24 07:34:41 <hiemanshu> int32 1003
Oct 24 07:35:23 <jonwil> ok
Oct 24 07:35:35 <jonwil> Is "airtel" your carrier?
Oct 24 07:37:18 <jonwil> ?
Oct 24 07:38:31 <hiemanshu> jonwil: yes
Oct 24 07:39:00 <jonwil> Is airtel the actual network operator or are they just a reseller?
Oct 24 07:39:10 <hiemanshu> Actual network operator
Oct 24 07:40:13 <jonwil> is that on 2G or 3G?
Oct 24 07:42:05 <jonwil> thanks for the info btw
Oct 24 07:42:11 <jonwil> looks very much like what I get
Oct 24 07:42:15 <jonwil> but with a different operator
Oct 24 07:42:56 <hiemanshu> 2.5G
Oct 24 07:43:21 <hiemanshu> thats what the phone shows, its EDGE though
Oct 24 07:44:17 <jonwil> thanks for the info, doesnt help me understand those dbus calls though
Oct 24 12:04:31 * nsuffys is away: I'm busy
Oct 24 12:46:33 <Sicelo^> DocScrutinizer: i just got http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail2
Oct 24 12:46:56 <Sicelo^> ran fine. is there anything special u would like tested?
Oct 24 12:49:17 <DocScrutinizer> nah, it seems to run fine, as you already noticed :-D. See if you find any typos or other errors, or sth that's not really plausible
Oct 24 12:50:06 <DocScrutinizer> maybe you could test how it behaves on i2ctools missing (just if you feel bored)
Oct 24 12:50:24 <DocScrutinizer> as that's sth I haven't handled properly yet
Oct 24 13:19:39 <iluminator101> i am getting an error 'Memory not accessable. Unable to save content' when i try take a pic
Oct 24 13:20:03 <iluminator101> on my n900
Oct 24 13:20:43 <BCMM> is mydocs mounted?
Oct 24 13:21:02 <BCMM> is the n900 plugged in to a computer with USB?
Oct 24 13:21:41 <iluminator101> no its not plugged into anything
Oct 24 13:25:28 <iluminator101> i restarted seems to work now
Oct 24 13:25:30 <_trine> see if you can take a picture when its saved to an SD card
Oct 24 13:26:19 <iluminator101> i had unmounting error it works now thanks
Oct 24 14:53:37 <ErwinJunge> I'm missing libnvomx in scratchbox, which apparently has something to do with openmax. I thought openmax was supported on the n900?
Oct 24 15:04:21 <crashanddie> http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/201110/query.jpg
Oct 24 15:05:37 <ErwinJunge> Hey, that's dutch :) "the platform is really slow, etc"
Oct 24 15:05:44 <ErwinJunge> I guess the query explains a bit ;)
Oct 24 15:05:45 <crashanddie> inderdaad :)
Oct 24 15:06:00 <ErwinJunge> And apparently so are you ;)
Oct 24 15:08:02 <crashanddie> I'm not
Oct 24 15:08:07 <crashanddie> I just speak Dutch
Oct 24 15:11:11 <ErwinJunge> That's a pretty rare skill for someone who's not Dutch.
Oct 24 15:23:10 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Oct 24 16:23:36 <n900backer> where do installed kernels go? like kernel power, there is nothin in /boot
Oct 24 16:25:23 <NIN101> to the third NAND partition.
Oct 24 16:25:55 <NIN101> /dev/mtd3
Oct 24 16:27:24 <n900backer> ? i have made an backup image of my device, i want to find out the version of its kernel. how can i do this?
Oct 24 16:27:45 <n900backer> backups r from / and /home
Oct 24 16:27:57 <n900backer> is there anyway to find out the name of its kernel?
Oct 24 16:28:20 <n900backer> i had installed kernel power before but i don't remember which version it was.
Oct 24 16:31:44 <NIN101> e. g., take a look at /lib/modules/ on the backup of /. 
Oct 24 16:33:33 <n900backer> 2.6.28.10power42
Oct 24 16:33:35 <n900backer> tnx
Oct 24 16:48:55 <SergSergiu> hello
Oct 24 16:52:29 <MohammadAG> anyone from the US?
Oct 24 16:54:23 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900?
Oct 24 16:55:01 <GeneralAntilles> USA! USA! USA!
Oct 24 16:55:04 * GeneralAntilles coughs.
Oct 24 16:55:05 <GeneralAntilles> Yes?
Oct 24 16:57:20 <MohammadAG> GeneralAntilles, I have someone's number, it starts with 206
Oct 24 16:57:30 <MohammadAG> do I dial it with +1206 or should something be after the 1?
Oct 24 16:57:44 <jaska> +1206xxxyyyy
Oct 24 16:57:52 <GeneralAntilles> ^
Oct 24 16:58:00 <MohammadAG> thanks :)
Oct 24 17:50:37 <Berlinermauer> Hey Guys, Does anyone has this Problem? After about 2 Days my device hangs up. I cannot use the Apps on the Home Window (hildon-home is not answering) and calls and sms aren't incoming anymore, however if i restart the device everything works fine again
Oct 24 18:01:57 <AlmightyOatmeal> Berlinermauer: sounds like an application has a memory leak. try disabling programs that were recently added around the time the problems began. you can also try ssh'ing into your phone and checking system resource usage and logs
Oct 24 18:35:40 <ErwinJunge> javispedro: Swapping out the source for mupen64plus worked like a charm, except for one small change in pre.mk. Are you planning on updating mupen in the repos?
Oct 24 18:36:12 <javispedro> any worth changes?
Oct 24 21:04:52 <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/a-peel-external-0-95-lcd-single-sim-gsm-quadband-cell-phone-battery-back-case-for-iphone-4-black-103112 - I put a phone on your phone, so you can phone while you phone.
Oct 24 21:06:03 <kerio> SpeedEvil: haha what
Oct 24 21:06:05 <javispedro> that is the future
Oct 24 21:06:13 <kerio> that's brilliant
Oct 24 21:47:33 <DocScrutinizer> that's nuts
Oct 24 21:47:56 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: yoh dawg
Oct 24 22:05:08 <jack_lt_n900> hmm how to use TAB in xchat on n900
Oct 24 22:06:48 <jack_lt_n900> DocScrutinizer, got a 2x usb a 1x micro Y cable
Oct 24 22:06:49 <SpeedEvil> ctrl-i
Oct 24 22:06:59 <SpeedEvil> (or I bound it to alt-rightarrow
Oct 24 22:07:39 <DocScrutinizer> though you prolly want to use the function bound to tab usually
Oct 24 22:07:59 <DocScrutinizer> which is bound to shift-space on my xchat
Oct 24 22:08:15 <jack_lt_n900> DocScrutinizer, right
Oct 24 22:08:33 <DocScrutinizer> ~jr-tools
Oct 24 22:08:42 <DocScrutinizer> ~jrtools
Oct 24 22:08:43 <infobot> i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Oct 24 22:08:49 <DocScrutinizer> ../xchat
Oct 24 22:10:01 <DocScrutinizer> some users said they like this setup
Oct 24 22:10:08 <jack_lt_n900> DocScrutinizer, any advise to connect y cable via hub to n900 and which sequence?
Oct 24 22:10:27 <jack_lt_n900> micro to phone
Oct 24 22:11:23 <jack_lt_n900> midle main to hub?
Oct 24 22:12:34 <jack_lt_n900> other to keybd/ ff adapt?
Oct 24 22:18:12 <jack_lt_n900> DocScrutinizer, ?
Oct 24 22:18:36 <jack_lt_n900> if you have time ...
Oct 24 22:20:54 <DocScrutinizer> jack_lt_n900: you connect the main A-M to hub's upstream port via F-F adapter plus matching cable, the red power USB-M to arbitrary power source (wallwart, host PC, powered hub downstream port), and the micro-B-M to the N900
Oct 24 22:24:04 <DocScrutinizer> sequence is: start h-e-n, start vboost, plug in hub with power supplied, then do the killall vboost; charger; stuff
Oct 24 22:24:26 <DocScrutinizer> then enumerate
Oct 24 22:27:09 <jack_lt_n900> killall vboost?
Oct 24 22:27:20 <jack_lt_n900> as root in xterm?
Oct 24 22:29:25 <jack_lt_n900> DocScrutinizer, 
Oct 24 22:31:09 <DocScrutinizer> err killall booston
Oct 24 22:31:19 <DocScrutinizer> see my post at
Oct 24 22:31:25 <DocScrutinizer> ~hostmode-powered
Oct 24 22:31:25 <infobot> somebody said hostmode-powered was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203
Oct 24 22:31:46 <DocScrutinizer> only the red commands are really needed
Oct 24 22:35:06 <DocScrutinizer> boostoff whatever
Oct 24 22:35:23 <DocScrutinizer> boostoff is also just doing a kill booston
Oct 24 22:35:59 <DocScrutinizer> o/
Oct 24 22:36:27 <jack_lt_n900> and ./charger is that need for charging
Oct 24 22:36:42 <jack_lt_n900> or is that just monitoring
Oct 24 22:40:41 <jack_lt_n900> ./charger seems to be needed
Oct 24 22:48:20 <jack_lt_n900> bbl
Oct 24 23:02:51 <psychologe> hello ,has some used miredo to visit ipv6 ? everytime when i reconnect network(gprs OR wlan),,,i  must restart miredo service ,otherwise can't visit ipv6 host?
Oct 25 00:00:03 <Gyjf> hey
Oct 25 00:00:43 <Gyjf> could anyone tell me how to compile (c code) with gcc for the n900 ?
Oct 25 00:15:12 <x29a> Gyjf: you should check out the getting started docs
Oct 25 00:15:35 <Gyjf> but the gcc manual is loooong :(
Oct 25 00:15:35 <x29a> Gyjf: basically, u use an arm-gcc, but there is toolchains and SDKs which easy the entrylevel for you
Oct 25 00:16:13 <DocScrutinizer> Gyjf: simple answer: not at all
Oct 25 00:16:38 <DocScrutinizer> get the SDK and use it as described
Oct 25 00:16:44 <x29a> i meant qt/maemo, www.developer.nokia.com/Develop/Qt/Getting_started/ 
Oct 25 00:17:30 <Gyjf> isnt it easier to just compile it and scp it over?
Oct 25 00:18:42 <DocScrutinizer> definitely not
Oct 25 00:18:57 <DocScrutinizer> as you need to crosscompile
Oct 25 00:19:18 <DocScrutinizer> target==ARM, you know?
Oct 25 00:19:37 <Gyjf> i thought that would be easier
Oct 25 00:19:43 <Sc0rpius> the best solution is to have Scratchbox setup and running
Oct 25 00:20:00 <Sc0rpius> since even if you manage to arm-gcc in your PC and scp it, you'll end up do it 123974612873461287364 times 
Oct 25 00:20:10 <Sc0rpius> do it the first time, a bug, compile again, another time, another bug, etc.
Oct 25 00:20:33 <Sc0rpius> with scratchbox and your emulator in your PC, you will scp it when it's done.
Oct 25 00:20:34 <Gyjf> i have working sourcecode and i only need one program atm
Oct 25 00:20:42 <DocScrutinizer> and you got no libs without the SDK installed
Oct 25 00:20:54 <x29a> Gyjf: which program? screen?
Oct 25 00:21:13 <SpeedEvil> Gyjf: One way is to copy / on the n900 to /home/user/chroot
Oct 25 00:21:28 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ??
Oct 25 00:21:35 <SpeedEvil> Gyjf: then enable the tools repo, chroot into that (as root) and apt-get install build-essentials.
Oct 25 00:21:44 <SpeedEvil> If you want to build on device.
Oct 25 00:21:52 <x29a> yay
Oct 25 00:21:52 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: Gyjf wasn't asking for native compilation
Oct 25 00:21:55 <Sc0rpius> what a mess
Oct 25 00:23:00 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-10-25 01:55:37] <Gyjf> could anyone tell me how to compile (c code) with gcc for the n900 ?
Oct 25 00:23:00 <x29a> Gyjf: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation
Oct 25 00:23:05 <DocScrutinizer> FOR, not ON
Oct 25 00:23:24 <x29a> the gcc on the n900 is still for the n900
Oct 25 00:23:34 <DocScrutinizer> yep, that's the right wwiki page
Oct 25 00:23:47 <Gyjf> i realy only need one program compiled, didnt think it would be that much work :/
Oct 25 00:24:05 <x29a> no need to be picky, the question wasnt stated clearly, but since we got all possibilities covered, its Gyjf move now
Oct 25 00:24:16 <Gyjf> thx for the help anyway
Oct 25 00:24:19 <x29a> Gyjf: well which one is it then? maybe its in the repos?
Oct 25 00:24:22 <DocScrutinizer> Gyjf: you need the toolchain set up, no matter how many programs
Oct 25 00:24:36 <x29a> and setting up the maemo sdk isnt that hard, there is basically two scripts and following the wiki
Oct 25 00:24:38 <Gyjf> its not, pretty certain
Oct 25 00:24:56 <Gyjf> no name, friend wrote it
Oct 25 00:25:30 <x29a> Gyjf: if it has no deps, i can compile it for you
Oct 25 00:25:39 <x29a> just once, no debugging
Oct 25 00:25:42 <DocScrutinizer> see? :-D
Oct 25 00:25:51 <DocScrutinizer> we are a nice bunch here
Oct 25 00:26:00 <Gyjf> i noticed
Oct 25 00:26:18 <Gyjf> ill just get the skd then
Oct 25 00:26:22 <Gyjf> *sdk
Oct 25 00:27:50 <x29a> must be highly classified or tremendiosly weird hack ur compiling there, but yes, getting the sdk is the best solution
Oct 25 00:27:58 * DocScrutinizer just wonders why nobody ever made an up-to-date VM for this whole crap
Oct 25 00:28:10 <Sc0rpius> because nobody cares about Maemo anymore?¿
Oct 25 00:28:37 <x29a> naa, the devs just dont want to make the entrylevel too easy, think of the android market with all the crap farting apps
Oct 25 00:28:54 <Gyjf> he is picky about who gets the source, sorry :)
Oct 25 00:28:59 <x29a> Sc0rpius: denying maemos death is rule #1 in here, aint it?
Oct 25 00:29:12 <x29a> Gyjf: np
Oct 25 00:29:51 * DocScrutinizer ponders another turn of GOF
Oct 25 00:30:23 <DocScrutinizer> hmmmmmm AV-plug
Oct 25 00:30:48 <Gyjf> n900 cant emulate 32bit can it?
Oct 25 00:31:16 <DocScrutinizer> please rephrase
Oct 25 00:31:43 <x29a> Gyjf: you mean long double?
Oct 25 00:32:00 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Oct 25 00:32:05 <Gyjf> emulate 32bit processor to execute x86 compiled binaries
Oct 25 00:32:19 <DocScrutinizer> it can, but that'S a PITA
Oct 25 00:32:37 <Sc0rpius> to execute a COMPILED x86 binary?=!?
Oct 25 00:32:43 <Sc0rpius> you need QEMU for that and who knows what else
Oct 25 00:32:57 <Sc0rpius> and tons of things, a whole x86 environment 
Oct 25 00:33:03 <Sc0rpius> in the poor device
Oct 25 00:33:31 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html
Oct 25 00:33:33 <x29a> Gyjf: depending on your inet connection, you could be compiling already
Oct 25 00:33:56 <Sc0rpius> well there's gcc for the device.  If it's a tiny .c what you want to compile you could try to get the gcc for the N900 and compile it there
Oct 25 00:34:15 <Sc0rpius> if it's a big project, ./configure and stuff, get the scratchbox 
Oct 25 00:34:26 <Gyjf> its pretty small
Oct 25 00:35:01 <Gyjf> why isnt gcc or g++ in the repos btw?
Oct 25 00:35:08 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Oct 25 00:35:25 <Gyjf> or do i have the wrong repos?
Oct 25 00:35:34 <DocScrutinizer> so we're actually back to SpeedEvil 
Oct 25 00:35:42 <ShadowJK> installing gcc on device consumes alot of space
Oct 25 00:35:52 <Sc0rpius> http://ossguy.com/?p=475
Oct 25 00:35:57 * Sc0rpius waits for bots
Oct 25 00:35:58 <Sc0rpius> no bots
Oct 25 00:36:06 <Sc0rpius> the link is "How to install GCC on the Nokia N900"
Oct 25 00:36:07 <DocScrutinizer> ???
Oct 25 00:36:14 <Sc0rpius> usually there's a bot that says what's the link is about
Oct 25 00:36:14 <Gyjf> yeah im looking at it
Oct 25 00:36:46 <DocScrutinizer> nah, there's no such bot here
Oct 25 00:36:53 <Sc0rpius> aww :(
Oct 25 00:37:42 <DocScrutinizer> there's a mod who might kick you for posting URLs without comment and no clue in the URL itself ;-P
Oct 25 00:38:08 <Sc0rpius> hehe
Oct 25 00:41:08 <DocScrutinizer> btw plain build-essentials might still fit on rootfs
Oct 25 00:41:46 <DocScrutinizer> libs get nasty
Oct 25 00:42:06 <Sc0rpius> I wouldn't EVER install that on my N900
Oct 25 00:42:18 <DocScrutinizer> but for a "hello world" I guess you'd not even need a chroot/optification
Oct 25 00:42:22 <Sc0rpius> even if I write everything down and then uninstall it, I'm sure I will lose several precious MBs of my rootfs
Oct 25 00:42:36 <DocScrutinizer> for sure you will
Oct 25 00:43:54 <DocScrutinizer> back in the good ol'days you unpacked the tarball to your home
Oct 25 00:44:16 <DocScrutinizer> even a subdir of your home
Oct 25 00:44:49 <DocScrutinizer> then added ~/<subdir>/bin to your PATH, and hacked away
Oct 25 00:46:12 <Sc0rpius> and then a nice rm -rf to that <subdir>
Oct 25 00:46:12 <DocScrutinizer> my home still always has a /bin dir
Oct 25 00:47:00 <DocScrutinizer> err ~/bin
Oct 25 02:29:55 <DangerMaus_> yepyep
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