**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 27 02:59:58 2011 Oct 27 09:59:51 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/27/sony_ericsson/ Oct 27 10:01:45 I want to unmount /home - how do I do it? Oct 27 10:01:57 (I want to wipe it before returning to nokia) Oct 27 10:03:41 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whateverdevicefile Oct 27 10:03:45 should wipe it Oct 27 10:03:48 even if it's still mounted ;) Oct 27 10:03:59 SpeedEvil: osso-mmc-umount.sh ? Oct 27 10:04:15 or urandom if you consider there will be enough randomness for that Oct 27 10:04:16 ruskie: yes, ideally I'd like to do it gently. Oct 27 10:04:27 DocScrutinizer: thanks Oct 27 10:06:51 is there some way I can get my google+ contacts integrated in the contacts thingy? Oct 27 12:10:10 Does anybody know if there is a way to skip the date/time/language setting screen you get on the N900 when you remove the battery? Oct 27 12:10:21 more specifically, without using the touchscreen Oct 27 12:10:24 since mine is broken Oct 27 12:11:05 I want to back it up, but it won't boot past that screen so it's effectively bricked Oct 27 12:13:20 Timbo: As far as I know, no. Oct 27 12:13:38 very annoying Oct 27 12:13:41 Technically, possibly. Oct 27 12:13:59 You could boot a kernel with appropruate flags to run a filesystem on the SD Oct 27 12:15:41 had BackupMenu? Oct 27 12:16:23 no :( Oct 27 12:16:44 I'll probably try and get a second hand n900 and swap the logic board out Oct 27 12:16:56 I'm sure a killall will fix the issue Oct 27 12:17:22 dunno what's though Oct 27 12:17:30 it's not booting past the initial settings screen Oct 27 12:17:34 so I can't killall Oct 27 12:17:45 ohwell Oct 27 12:18:03 if it was booting there would be no problem as I could just ssh into it Oct 27 12:18:15 so what did you hope for, to interact with the system, then? Oct 27 12:18:45 the stuff u want to backup is in your MyDocs? if so, try connecting it via usb while switched of Oct 27 12:18:49 *off Oct 27 12:18:49 I was hoping there would be a key combination or something to skip the settings screen Oct 27 12:19:08 well, the whole file system ideally Oct 27 12:19:11 aaah 950 Oct 27 12:19:11 Timbo: you can use the flasher to boot a kernel. Oct 27 12:19:15 but yeah, I haven't tried usb Oct 27 12:19:22 err 900 Oct 27 12:19:27 sorry Oct 27 12:19:31 time for 12648430 ☕ Oct 27 12:19:39 * SpeedEvil ponders if there is anything else I need to wipe on this n900. Oct 27 12:19:43 Aha - swap. Oct 27 12:20:08 SpeedEvil: ok, I'll look into that Oct 27 12:20:32 Timbo: It's possible to boot a meego image from that on the SD Oct 27 12:20:41 I'm not sure how to do this though - I've not done it. Oct 27 12:20:55 Timbo: use http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75369 Oct 27 12:21:25 DocScrutinizer: thatnks Oct 27 12:21:27 -t Oct 27 12:22:23 * jonwil wishes accessing network/cell/etc info was as easy on Fremantle as it was on Harmattan :( Oct 27 12:22:32 Ok - mydocs, home, swap scrubbed. Oct 27 12:23:01 And envelope prepared. I guess time to pack this up and send it off. Oct 27 12:23:17 Leaving me only my backup n900. Oct 27 12:23:23 selling it? Oct 27 12:23:32 Warranty return. Oct 27 12:23:35 The USB port fell off. Oct 27 12:23:41 ah Oct 27 12:23:49 And now it seems to be doing something wierd with the touchscreen. Oct 27 12:25:56 hopefully you dont end up with a piece of junk replacement phone instead of your N900... Oct 27 12:26:08 yeah Oct 27 12:26:09 SpeedEvil: don't forget to add a letter with 72pt notice "only repairs or replacements by another *LINUX* phone accepted!" Oct 27 12:26:26 a guy I know returned his and got an N9 Oct 27 12:26:28 twice Oct 27 12:26:39 eventually got it replaced but it took months Oct 27 12:26:47 whats wrong with a N9? Oct 27 12:26:54 N8 on the other hand... Oct 27 12:26:55 N9?? Oct 27 12:26:59 not N8? Oct 27 12:27:33 actually maybe an N8 Oct 27 12:27:34 flexibale phone from nokia is cool =) Oct 27 12:27:40 tbh I don't remember Oct 27 12:27:45 usually they try to give a a good-N8 phone Oct 27 12:28:02 s/ a / you / Oct 27 12:28:02 DocScrutinizer meant: usually they try to give you a good-N8 phone Oct 27 12:28:08 hmmm, interesting, Nokia is releasing a PR1.3.1 for the N900 Oct 27 12:28:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xL7ASARTlJI#! Oct 27 12:28:35 jonwil: boring Oct 27 12:28:51 nokia are killing themselves :( Oct 27 12:29:10 It sounds like its just a new set of root certificates to revoke the compromised certificates from DigiNotar Oct 27 12:29:14 i'll need to specify that i want linux phone with keyboard if mine breaks then :D Oct 27 12:30:07 jonwil, so basically something one can do on their own Oct 27 12:30:31 someone actually got their money back because nokia couldn't replace their n900 with another n900 Oct 27 12:31:00 It also says it has a "a fixed security control panel applet." whatever that means Oct 27 12:33:12 jonwil: I asked MohammadAG and it seems it's actually the certificate manager settings-plugin, that's fixed to not show blacklisted certs as trusted Oct 27 12:33:44 ok Oct 27 12:33:53 ok, sounds like an important fix then Oct 27 12:34:00 Is that applet closed or open? Oct 27 12:34:21 I know the certificate manager is open somewhere Oct 27 12:34:21 applet? plugin Oct 27 12:34:25 but I dont know about the plugin Oct 27 12:34:59 it says "applet" in the mailing list post I got :) Oct 27 12:35:27 dunno either, but it seems we plan to port it to CSSU as soon as the source gets published, so I think it's supposed to be/become open Oct 27 12:36:20 I get the impression that CSSU can redistribute it, not that these plugins will be open Oct 27 12:36:44 Either way, its good to see Nokia releasing a security update for this major issue Oct 27 12:36:47 well, I dunno if the settings' sub-menus qualify for "applet" Oct 27 12:37:01 You dont see other vendors fixing it on their obsolete devices :) Oct 27 12:38:29 there are other major security issues that are not seeing any fix from Nokia - buzzword adobe flash Oct 27 12:38:36 are there any other linux based phones with a hardware keyboard? Oct 27 12:38:39 now or in the future Oct 27 12:39:02 Timbo: not any generally available ones, no Oct 27 12:39:21 is the n950 going to see the light of day? Oct 27 12:39:32 oops, from Nokia, that is Oct 27 12:39:38 The N950 will never be released for general consumption no Oct 27 12:39:42 Timbo: not for sale Oct 27 12:39:44 boo Oct 27 12:39:48 looks nice Oct 27 12:39:58 I think a GTA04 with a hardware keyboard would be the ultimate in "open phones" Oct 27 12:40:12 *sigh* Oct 27 12:41:12 GTA04 has major problem of too tight link to GTA02 Oct 27 12:41:37 poor case, nearly unavailable LCM Oct 27 12:42:04 whats LCM? Oct 27 12:42:15 LCD Module Oct 27 12:42:22 oh ok Oct 27 12:43:32 I expect GTA04 hw/EE maturity level to be similar to GTA01 Oct 27 12:43:59 sadly looks like my next phone won't be a nokia Oct 27 12:45:02 which will be odd, having never owned a different brand of phone Oct 27 12:45:13 not through any sort of irrational loyalty Oct 27 12:45:25 just because they've made the best solution at the time Oct 27 12:46:54 (GTA04) if they'd not be that locked-in-focused on OM GTA02, they might have opted to get eten M800 for LCM, case, kbd(!) etc Oct 27 12:48:12 GTA04 inside a M800 case would actually meet some of my requirements for an up-to-date phone Oct 27 12:48:59 though the hw kbd is incredibly abysmally bad Oct 27 12:49:10 worst hw kbd I ever touched Oct 27 12:50:18 all keycaps are plane and in one level, with no gap or rim or anything separating them Oct 27 12:51:24 it hard to even visually tell apart one keycap from the other, at night with kbd backlight on it's almost impossible Oct 27 12:54:08 I had a shot on my brother's Galaxy S2 Oct 27 12:54:22 the software keyboard was actually surprisingly good Oct 27 12:54:32 and I've always hated them Oct 27 12:54:34 http://www.google.de/search?tbm=isch&hl=de&source=hp&q=eten+glofiish+m800&gbv=1&oq=eten+glo&aq=4S&aqi=g3g-S7&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2432l6841l0l11453l10l10l1l2l3l0l311l1484l0.3.3.1l7l0 Oct 27 12:54:46 unfortunately it takes up 75% of the screen in landscape Oct 27 12:54:53 so it sort of defeats the point Oct 27 12:55:16 my old nokia E70 had the best mobile keyboard I've ever used Oct 27 13:01:32 I got family that just bought a Galaxy S II Oct 27 13:01:45 to replace a dodgy/faulty HTC Desire :) Oct 27 13:01:56 quite large Oct 27 13:01:58 but very shiny Oct 27 13:03:40 DocScrutinizer: I should do that. I can't face fighting about it initially. If I get a phone which is saleable for a price to buy a device in good condition, I'm OK. Oct 27 13:04:05 sure Oct 27 13:04:44 but better get a new one from Nokia directly, and also teach them to treat their customers "correctly" Oct 27 13:06:11 N9 vkb takes too much space in landscape mode, in the messaging screens - have to rotate around to see what the peeps write and then back again - hope the swype isn't too long away from release Oct 27 13:06:53 also bluetooth kbd's wont work with it - blech Oct 27 13:07:00 * SpeedEvil may open the onvelope, and add a letter. Oct 27 13:08:23 :D Oct 27 13:09:20 no bt kbd, seriously? Oct 27 13:09:46 it hooks up but the HID-stuff seems incomplete on N9 Oct 27 13:10:20 (kbd shows itself as connected but doesn't link to input) Oct 27 13:10:25 * SpeedEvil sighs. Oct 27 13:10:30 * SpeedEvil stabs. Oct 27 13:11:39 what's up Speedo? Oct 27 13:12:20 I just find the concept of a phone that doesn't work with a bluetooth keyboard so retarded. Oct 27 13:12:42 Also somewhat annoyed about the whole 'My usb connector fell off' thing. Oct 27 13:13:41 Meanwhile: Apps and websites that use the Google Maps API will soon have to pay $4 per 1,000 visitors Google announced today Oct 27 13:13:50 Bye bye Mappero, Maep, etc Oct 27 13:14:08 I guess the factor was more getting the sucker out fast, than fix the hid-stuff *sigh* Oct 27 13:15:01 long live openstreetmap, rather Oct 27 13:15:26 * mgedmin hasn't been using maep/mappero with google's maps for a while already Oct 27 13:15:31 RST, damn - I've to take my testing maps out of commission then - not gonna pay for that :/ Oct 27 13:16:51 I was developing a route planner & travelblog-shiz for mobile with gmaps Oct 27 13:17:47 Openstreetmap has major capacity issues. Oct 27 13:18:09 The servers are basically maxed out, and designed for mappers only. Oct 27 13:18:36 Any significant user of the servers risks getting banninnated. Oct 27 13:18:43 hm, point... Oct 27 13:20:15 SpeedEvil: but you can't take google and cache your own tileset and get around the limit, can you? Oct 27 13:20:22 (legally) Oct 27 13:21:21 btw: Yes to more porn on OpenStreetmap. Oct 27 13:21:28 I just wonder how they sum up the 1000 visitors are using same app Oct 27 13:21:35 (porn has always been a driver for more capacity on Internet...) Oct 27 13:21:51 and if you could just randomize whatever they use to identify the app Oct 27 13:23:17 Veggen: no, youc an't do it legally. Oct 27 13:23:21 (btw this move seems to indicate google actually failed and finally gave up on making money by placing ads to their google maps API) Oct 27 13:23:31 Veggen: the T+Cs forbid caching from google Oct 27 13:23:54 SpeedEvil: ok, that was what I meant. You can do it with OSM and get around the capacity problems. Oct 27 13:24:00 which you may or may not regret Oct 27 13:24:06 Veggen: Not really. Oct 27 13:24:07 (at least you can generate your same timles) Oct 27 13:24:10 eh, tiles. Oct 27 13:24:17 Veggen: yes - generating tiles fixes it. Oct 27 13:25:41 The problem for OSM is users caching large areas for use when they're in an area. Oct 27 13:26:36 Especially to deep zooms. Oct 27 13:26:59 whats the latest software available for n900? Oct 27 13:28:31 kurtis: What do you ean by that? Oct 27 13:28:39 PR1.3 is the latest major update. Oct 27 13:28:51 There is soon to be a monor patch pushed out to fix the diginotar thing. Oct 27 13:29:20 SpeedEvil: mmm, yes. OSM needs a rich uncle that doesn't mind people downloading some tiles and have the bandwidth for it. Oct 27 13:29:26 Indeed. Oct 27 13:29:48 The problem is the servers are at the moment at a uni, so they can't have commercial sponsorship to do more bandwidth. Oct 27 13:30:14 I know most of those things. I'm an OSMer as well :) Oct 27 13:30:27 Ah. Oct 27 13:30:44 * SpeedEvil is operating on reflex at the moment - exhausted after cutting the hedge. Oct 27 13:30:50 And hammering branches to bend them Oct 27 13:31:29 (my idea of spare-time-fun is taking my GPS on a walk in the mountains and track a new path. Last years, I've been doing mainly hiking stuff. Oct 27 13:31:57 :) Oct 27 13:35:10 speed is there anyway in which i can install pr 1.3 using my device? Oct 27 13:35:44 You can reflash, or over-the-air update. Oct 27 13:36:04 DocScrutinizer: They use API key which you can generate as an registered user, I think. So they will probably require fees depending on that depending on that Oct 27 13:36:12 What does settings -> about product say about the version Oct 27 13:37:22 3.2010.02-8 Oct 27 13:39:13 ~flashing Oct 27 13:39:14 well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 27 13:41:48 Ah. Oct 27 13:41:59 * SpeedEvil wonders if the opera update was also for diginotar. Oct 27 13:43:09 hmm Oct 27 13:43:45 plausible, but I guess they have a changelog somewhere? Oct 27 13:48:59 http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/unix/ Oct 27 13:51:37 Anyone know of a reason a SIM card would have a list of network IDs on it? Oct 27 13:52:59 #harmattan Oct 27 13:55:02 maybe also interesting: http://www.opera.com/docs/ca/ Oct 27 13:55:19 jonwil: roaming Oct 27 13:55:47 Seems that the list of IDs is what get_service_provider_info returns Oct 27 14:01:57 mgedmin: OSM sucks moose balls though Oct 27 14:02:14 mgedmin: I guess it is Yandex Maps for me now Oct 27 14:02:16 wow, they even map moose! Oct 27 14:04:08 that is now what they do with moose. Oct 27 14:08:11 bah, I found the information for the cellmo call that is behind get_service_provider_info Oct 27 14:08:30 but I cant find any info on the format of the returned values Oct 27 14:10:22 CountryCode, NetworkCode, longname, shortname ? Oct 27 14:10:49 I completely made up this, based on semi-educated guess Oct 27 14:10:56 nope, its a set of bytes Oct 27 14:13:47 I have 4 bytes of data from it Oct 27 14:14:04 from someone who responded to my list posting Oct 27 14:15:01 anyone heard of a mobile company called elisa or one called Saunalahti? Oct 27 14:15:46 aha, both seem to be .fi Oct 27 14:15:55 Ah - now I can run the script. Oct 27 14:16:05 Where is it again - if more data would be helpful. Oct 27 14:16:36 saunalahti is part of elisa these days Oct 27 14:17:13 <_berto_> jaska: is it? Oct 27 14:17:21 SpeedEvil, which carrier are you with? Oct 27 14:17:33 '3' in the UK Oct 27 14:17:35 <_berto_> jaska: but they maintain different branding etc Oct 27 14:17:54 ok, dont know how useful more data would be Oct 27 14:18:00 k Oct 27 14:18:23 I only really need data from anyone who is roaming on a network other than their home network. Oct 27 14:18:30 Ah Oct 27 14:18:42 Then that's not going to work. Oct 27 14:22:29 Bah, I cant understand what these 4 bytes could mean Oct 27 14:22:42 The bytes I have are 66,244,80,0 Oct 27 14:23:05 66 + 244 > 80 + 0 Oct 27 14:23:18 omg, it works Oct 27 14:23:30 hmmm, 244 seems to be the MCC for .fi Oct 27 14:24:29 toldya Oct 27 14:25:02 That doesnt explain the 66 or the 80 Oct 27 14:25:03 66 might be some NC Oct 27 14:25:12 80 as well Oct 27 14:26:25 No sign of a 66 or an 80 operator code for finland Oct 27 14:27:55 I wonder which of the specs is the one that covers the information stored on the USIM Oct 27 14:28:09 reading the UMTS specs might tell me more about what I am looking at Oct 27 14:28:36 are they related to what netmon says? Oct 27 14:29:30 dont think so Oct 27 14:29:36 let me check netmon source Oct 27 14:31:33 ugh, Phython :P Oct 27 14:31:45 Doesnt help me anyway, doesnt appear to be using Phone.SIM for anything Oct 27 14:32:18 ofono doesn't handle this particular cellmo message either Oct 27 14:37:35 well, seems I'm out of ideas, esp since I have no clue how to duplicate the whole thing here Oct 27 14:37:44 I am thinking of producing a libconnui-dev package to document such functions and structures in libconnui as I am able to document Oct 27 14:39:27 none of my x86 tricks are going to help me here :( Oct 27 14:45:00 * jonwil wishes he had an easy to write (and run) fragments of ARM ASM Oct 27 14:52:08 * jonwil wonders if he is the only one interested in a libconnui-dev package... Oct 27 14:54:22 jonwil: you can also document it on the wiki somewhere :) Oct 27 14:54:37 * jonwil sucks at writing usable documentation Oct 27 14:54:37 Is it a possible way to a Sim Toolkit? Oct 27 14:54:53 nope, sim toolkit features are much lower level than libconnui Oct 27 14:55:02 probably would need to change cellmo firmware to do it Oct 27 14:55:05 i.e. not going to happen Oct 27 14:55:15 ok Oct 27 14:55:31 yep Oct 27 14:56:09 we'd get flash-12 rsther than any STK Oct 27 14:56:33 aka SAT Oct 27 14:57:00 eh, what's flash-12 rsther? Oct 27 14:57:18 rather* Oct 27 14:57:19 eek, got it Oct 27 15:01:48 bah, I dont know the right linker arguments to get it to link to libconnui.so.0 Oct 27 15:16:44 bah, the more I stare at this ARM ASM, the more I an convinced that I am not going to get anywhere without either some code/info or some help from an ARM guru :( Oct 27 16:13:17 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Oct 27 18:55:11 http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support is amsuing Oct 27 18:55:50 s/msu/mus/ Oct 27 18:55:50 s/msu/mus/ Oct 27 18:55:51 timeless meant: http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support is amusing Oct 27 18:55:51 timeless meant: http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support is amusing Oct 27 18:58:01 unfortunate colors Oct 27 18:58:14 the red and orange are hard to distinguish here Oct 27 18:59:37 not seeing the HTC Dream/G2 Oct 27 19:03:38 they're not uncommon colors, but yeah, it does blend a bit Oct 27 19:03:58 it'd be amusing for someone to do this for nokia phones :) Oct 27 19:05:11 for values of "amusing" == "sad" Oct 27 19:05:26 nah, "considerably more depressing" Oct 27 19:05:34 (best guess anyway) Oct 27 19:05:38 OTOH, I suppose you could say that the phones have the latest releases Oct 27 19:05:40 disclaimer: i now work for a competitor Oct 27 19:05:48 nope Oct 27 19:05:58 the worst example is that if you ask people who worked for nokia on maemo Oct 27 19:06:08 they could tell you that the latest software was *never* released :) Oct 27 19:06:33 yes, hence my use of the term "releases" Oct 27 19:06:47 it's easy to be up on the latest release if there *are* no later releases Oct 27 19:07:00 that is not a good thing, just shifts the bad to another category Oct 27 19:07:28 well, for one off platforms, it's an interesting grading scale Oct 27 19:07:36 i think the right approach is to map maemo 1..6 Oct 27 19:07:44 and all maemo hardware devices Oct 27 19:07:57 so the nokia 770 not running maemo 6 (aka meego harmattan) Oct 27 19:10:33 * timeless tries updating the (windows) desktop software for a phone Oct 27 19:19:44 symbian phones also interesting, where some nokia phones running "same version" of os are still treated as all different platforms when nokia makes an app Oct 27 19:32:17 ~seen javispedro Oct 27 19:32:31 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 19h 53m 49s ago, saying: 'or $800..'. Oct 27 20:23:12 hi guya Oct 27 20:23:14 guys Oct 27 20:24:59 any european here with a n9 ? Oct 27 20:25:17 yes Oct 27 20:25:38 you petteri ? Oct 27 20:25:47 ? Oct 27 20:25:53 do you have a n9 ? Oct 27 20:26:04 just said yes to your question Oct 27 20:26:18 how much you paid if i might ask Oct 27 20:26:22 599 Oct 27 20:26:31 € Oct 27 20:26:34 16 gb Oct 27 20:26:35 ? Oct 27 20:26:38 yes Oct 27 20:26:48 its a lot :( Oct 27 20:26:59 depends Oct 27 20:27:11 ofc, its a lot for me Oct 27 20:27:22 you could pay less and get a slightly weaker windows phone from nokia :) Oct 27 20:27:40 i could just pay a hobo 50 bucks to kick me in the nuts Oct 27 20:27:45 the lumia (spanish for hooker?) was just announced Oct 27 20:27:51 could save 449 euro Oct 27 20:28:00 it's cheaper, and has slightly less screen realestate Oct 27 20:28:18 im considering getting a n9 from singapore Oct 27 20:28:23 comes without warranty Oct 27 20:28:23 well, you seemed to be somewhat interested in top of the line phones Oct 27 20:28:31 offering you a 1$ phone would have been rude :) Oct 27 20:28:45 * timeless is using a Torch 9810 Oct 27 20:29:17 win7phone isnt that bad Oct 27 20:29:27 which seems to run around 435usd if google product search is trustworthy Oct 27 20:29:38 usa? Oct 27 20:29:46 well, i'm in Canada Oct 27 20:29:53 and i was given the phone Oct 27 20:30:00 same for me, i want to buy one in europe because of the warranty Oct 27 20:30:10 * timeless boggles Oct 27 20:30:34 otherwise could get a singapore n9 for 580 usd Oct 27 20:30:51 so.. some companies have global warranties Oct 27 20:30:58 * timeless can't remember what nokia's policy was Oct 27 20:31:00 not nokia it seems Oct 27 20:31:15 Asus had global warranties for everything except the eeepc line Oct 27 20:31:27 so does dell Oct 27 20:31:30 note that nokia's warranty behavior is "amusing" Oct 27 20:31:31 and apple Oct 27 20:31:54 there was a rumor that n900s were being offered e7 (?)s as warranty replacements recently Oct 27 20:32:00 * timeless isn't sure if it's true Oct 27 20:32:18 either N8 or E7. Oct 27 20:32:18 do you still sell n900 ? Oct 27 20:32:25 ? Oct 27 20:32:31 my n900 is still my personal phone Oct 27 20:32:31 ahem s/you/nokia Oct 27 20:32:45 although i've been offered a curve to use Oct 27 20:32:50 which i will when it arrives Oct 27 20:32:59 forgive my sed dude Oct 27 20:33:11 i don't think you can buy the n900 from nokia anymore Oct 27 20:33:20 in fact, i don't think it's been available from nokia for a while now Oct 27 20:33:23 anyway what will you do timeless if you were in my pants Oct 27 20:33:30 dunno Oct 27 20:33:36 how much loyalty do you have to nokia Oct 27 20:33:39 and what are your requirements? Oct 27 20:33:45 save 100$ and get it without warranty Oct 27 20:33:50 or viceversa Oct 27 20:34:03 i have totally no loyalty to nokia Oct 27 20:34:09 what will you *do* with your phone? Oct 27 20:34:24 social networks, photos, music and videos ofcourse Oct 27 20:34:40 is there a g+ client for maemo? Oct 27 20:34:46 that would be nice :) Oct 27 20:34:59 i want facebook myspace and shit Oct 27 20:35:06 fb integration wasn't too bad Oct 27 20:35:13 at least you could share photos etc Oct 27 20:35:16 chat Oct 27 20:35:18 anyway why does it matter, im just asking about the cash for warranty Oct 27 20:35:18 jesuschrist: i presume you don't want a hardware keyboard Oct 27 20:35:20 issue Oct 27 20:35:27 what do you mean by "photos"? Oct 27 20:35:29 i want that model Oct 27 20:35:33 do you want them to be fast? Oct 27 20:35:33 i was joking Oct 27 20:35:36 i don't think there was an actual client tho... so you would have to use the web browser Oct 27 20:35:42 do you want 100mpix pictures? Oct 27 20:35:43 timeless: uhm... photos? :) Oct 27 20:35:46 or is 1mpix ok? Oct 27 20:35:51 i think that one is pretty self explainatory Oct 27 20:35:52 do you want a telephoto lense? Oct 27 20:35:55 Macer: it isn't Oct 27 20:36:01 er Oct 27 20:36:03 is a vga image sufficient? Oct 27 20:36:10 share....... photos? Oct 27 20:36:12 do you need redeye reduction? Oct 27 20:36:13 1px oughta be enough for anyone Oct 27 20:36:13 i dont care about photos, in fact, if there was a n9 witout camera i would buy it Oct 27 20:36:15 lmao Oct 27 20:36:23 :) Oct 27 20:36:25 Macer: see! Oct 27 20:36:31 it was a very important question Oct 27 20:36:47 if there was an n9 without a qwerty i WOULDN'T buy it... oh wait Oct 27 20:36:48 jesuschrist: i'm seriously willing to talk you through the process of making a decision Oct 27 20:36:59 but being flip isn't the way to go if you want that help Oct 27 20:37:02 * Sicelo has taken no more thatn 10 pics on his n900, and zero videos :P Oct 27 20:37:08 how much talk time do you really need? Oct 27 20:37:21 how often / regularly do you charge your phone? Oct 27 20:37:33 do you plan to travel? if so to which countries/continents/regions? Oct 27 20:37:56 * timeless took a couple of videos Oct 27 20:38:03 almost all of them were accidental :) Oct 27 20:38:05 i dont plan to travel, i need at least 1 hour per day call time, i charge my actually phone every night Oct 27 20:38:09 i sent my asus transformer in for RMA Oct 27 20:38:18 because it had a blob of messed up pixels Oct 27 20:38:25 who watns to bet it comes back the same way i sent it in? :) Oct 27 20:38:30 jesuschrist: how long is a day for you? 16 hours? 12 hours? 8 hours? Oct 27 20:38:39 with a note saying "we couldn't find anything wrong" Oct 27 20:38:40 jesuschrist: timeless is going to get u a BB ;) Oct 27 20:38:41 anyway timeless i cant see the point, i just asked about the warranty Oct 27 20:38:44 do you plan to tether something to your phone? Oct 27 20:38:45 just like nokia with the usb ports Oct 27 20:38:47 hahah Oct 27 20:38:50 Sicelo: dunno actually Oct 27 20:38:58 i'd have to look up our product line and see if any fit Oct 27 20:39:01 j/k timeless ;D Oct 27 20:39:07 timeless : every night i charge my phone, so lets say 16 hours day Oct 27 20:39:07