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Oct 31 03:01:57 <NIN101> hm, well UberNeo, good luck :-). I need some sleep... Good night folks. 
Oct 31 03:19:20 <DocScrutinizer> UberNeo: in /lib/udev/mmc_id change >>echo "SLOT_NUM=0"<< 0 to 1, and a few lines below change 1 to 0
Oct 31 03:20:00 <DocScrutinizer> thanks nin101 for pointing to /etc/udev/rules.d/92-n770
Oct 31 03:20:35 <DocScrutinizer> UberNeo: no other edits should be needed, just what I suggested 2 line sabove
Oct 31 03:21:08 <UberNeo> changed .. rebooting now
Oct 31 03:21:10 <DocScrutinizer> this shall make "internal" mmcblk1 and "external" mmcblk0
Oct 31 03:22:04 <DocScrutinizer> the whole rest of system will happily use mcblk0* and access uSD under that name
Oct 31 03:22:22 <DocScrutinizer> at least that's what I hope
Oct 31 03:22:58 <UberNeo> from dmesg
Oct 31 03:23:00 <UberNeo> mmcblk0: mmc0:85ee SD08G 7.42 GiB 
Oct 31 03:23:06 <UberNeo> mmcblk1: mmc1:0001 MMC32G 29.8 GiB 
Oct 31 03:23:59 <UberNeo> but it solved the issue .. of Calendar and Photos application
Oct 31 03:23:59 <UberNeo> :)
Oct 31 03:25:23 <UberNeo> Also Youtube Videos are also playing now 
Oct 31 03:25:56 <UberNeo> also no dbus-daemon stuff which was eating teh cpu before
Oct 31 03:25:59 <SpeedEvil> :)
Oct 31 03:26:10 <SpeedEvil> Gret!
Oct 31 03:26:12 <SpeedEvil> a
Oct 31 03:26:12 <UberNeo> I think .. this is it
Oct 31 03:26:46 <UberNeo> thanks a lot DocScrutinizer NIN101 and SpeedEvil  .. thanks a lot
Oct 31 03:27:10 <DocScrutinizer> well, give a hacker a real challange ;-D
Oct 31 03:27:17 <UberNeo> my N900 is alive again .. taking the breaths normally :)
Oct 31 03:27:19 <SpeedEvil> Writing this up would be a great service!
Oct 31 03:27:29 <SpeedEvil> As several people have hit this issue.
Oct 31 03:27:47 <UberNeo> sure SpeedEvil  .. i will write doen all the issues faced and the final solution
Oct 31 03:27:55 <SpeedEvil> :)
Oct 31 03:29:46 <UberNeo> one more thing .. now the Swap Space is also getting used .. previouly .. it was there but not getting used
Oct 31 03:30:18 <UberNeo> http://pastebin.com/XjN3iTnq  ... free output
Oct 31 03:35:50 <Macer> lol!
Oct 31 03:35:55 <Macer> http://i44.tinypic.com/244pmih.jpg
Oct 31 03:36:00 <Macer> politics!
Oct 31 03:36:05 <Macer> at  its best
Oct 31 03:37:31 <DocScrutinizer> umount /media/mmc1; sfdisk /dev/mmcblk1 <<FOO; blaVFAT opton option; blablaext3 option; blablablaSWAP option; FOO; echo please open and close back cover; mkswap mmcblk1p3; mkfs.ext3 mmcblk1p2; mkfs.vfat mmcblk1p1; mount mmcblk1p2 /mnt/foohome; umount MyDocs; cp -a /home /mnt/foohome; sed -i 's/SLOT_NUM=0/SLOT_NUM=@/; s/SLOT_NUM=1/SLOT_NUM=0/; s/SLOT_NUM=@/SLOT_NUM=1/' /lib/udev/mmc_id
Oct 31 03:47:55 <Almighty1atmeal> silly question, but how do i resize a desktop applet in diablo?
Oct 31 03:48:20 <Almighty1atmeal> my openvpn applet is too narrow for me to tell it to connect and i can't seem to grab on to that arrow in the lower right corner of the applet window
Oct 31 03:49:12 <Almighty1atmeal> ah, i disabled and re-enabled the applet and it auto resized
Oct 31 03:51:33 <Almighty1atmeal> erm, the applet says connected but the server doesn't see the active connection and ifconfig shows no tunnel interface so i can't verify IP
Oct 31 03:56:37 <Almighty1atmeal> ah, limitations of the applet, seems it didn't like tls authentication. silliness.
Oct 31 04:21:10 <jonwil> anyone happen to know where the nokia hands startup animation comes from?
Oct 31 04:24:15 <ShadowJK> it's an .mp4 somewhere
Oct 31 04:27:09 <UberNeo> jonwil: /home/user/MyDocs/.videos/Nokia_N900.mp4
Oct 31 04:29:59 <jonwil> nope its not that
Oct 31 04:32:13 <jonwil> nokia_n900.mp4 is a promo video for the N900
Oct 31 04:32:23 <jonwil> or something of that nature
Oct 31 04:32:49 <jonwil> so the hands animation is not a .mp4
Oct 31 04:33:27 <ShadowJK> /usr/share/hildon-welcom/media/Hands-v32-h264.avi
Oct 31 04:33:43 <jonwil> ok, that makes more sense
Oct 31 04:34:12 <jonwil> ok, so its played by hildon-welcome then
Oct 31 04:41:01 <jonwil> and from the looks of it, turning it off seems easy enough should I decide to do that. Or making it not play noise if I want to go that route :)
Oct 31 04:48:04 <jonwil> what annoys me about the microb browser is that if you want to embed it in your program you are told to just link to the engine directly (and pull it into your app) and there is no real way to actually talk to the running browserd instance and do what the maemo browser, conversations app and other things do
Oct 31 04:53:43 <DocScrutinizer> jonwil: see ~jr-tools
Oct 31 04:56:26 <DocScrutinizer> ~jrtools
Oct 31 04:56:27 <infobot> rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Oct 31 05:15:18 <jonwil> what is that jr-tools reference for? The startup-anmination-changing?
Oct 31 05:43:00 <jonwil> I must say, hacking the N900 is much easier than hacking my previous Motorola Z6 (also linux based)
Oct 31 05:46:15 <wmarone_> openezx?
Oct 31 05:46:25 <jonwil> Motorola MAGX actually
Oct 31 05:46:37 <wmarone_> ah yeah, when motorola really got into the anti-hacking thing
Oct 31 05:46:58 * wmarone_ played around with a ming
Oct 31 05:47:08 <wmarone_> ls
Oct 31 05:48:29 <jonwil> The root filesystem, bootloader and kernel and stuff were all digitally signed
Oct 31 05:48:54 <jonwil> the "flex" (as Motorola calls it) which holds ringtones, wallpapers and other stuff like that was not
Oct 31 05:48:55 <wmarone_> yup
Oct 31 05:49:22 <jonwil> The early hacks involved modifying files on that "flex" to get telnet and ftp
Oct 31 05:49:40 <wmarone_> that's one reason I avoid motorola devices like the plague, they've always been looking for ways to cripple the device
Oct 31 05:49:41 <jonwil> Then later some guy found a hole in the bootloader
Oct 31 05:49:48 <LaoLang_cool> what about hacking on webos
Oct 31 05:50:20 <jonwil> the hardware in the z6 is pathetic too
Oct 31 05:50:24 <jonwil> It doesnt have WiFi OR 3G
Oct 31 05:50:29 <jonwil> or GPS
Oct 31 05:50:47 <jonwil> these days it would probably be labeled a "dumbphone" :P
Oct 31 05:51:12 <jonwil> However, it does have one thing the N900 does not, the Z6 supports Cell Broadcast SMS :P
Oct 31 05:51:36 <jonwil> and I used it to verify what the actual tower names for my local towers were
Oct 31 05:51:45 <jonwil> when originally getting the early cell broadcast work going
Oct 31 06:04:24 <jonwil> hmmm, my phone has been switching between 3 different towers (on 2G) and it hasnt even moved
Oct 31 06:04:32 <jonwil> I see 3 different cell IDs in my log
Oct 31 06:05:01 <dm8tbr> that's pretty normal
Oct 31 06:05:22 <jonwil> even on 2G?
Oct 31 06:05:52 <dm8tbr> on 3G you wouldn't even know
Oct 31 06:06:33 <dm8tbr> and yes, I've seen exactly that when I was once looking at network topologies in germany
Oct 31 06:08:16 <dm8tbr> O2 uses GK coordinates sent on a CB channel to tell the handset if it is in certain 'home' or 'city' areas with lower minute pricing. the sim compares with radius values stored and shows a message
Oct 31 06:26:55 <jonwil> and now I go out and test with what should be the final run of the cell broadcast SMS detection and logging code (including code to determine when specific data points like the cell ID and network status are now invalid and need to be thrown away)
Oct 31 06:27:17 <jonwil> these logs should show if I get any bogus readings
Oct 31 06:27:33 <jonwil> such as getting an incoming cell broadcast on a cell different to what the last "cell ID change" message printed
Oct 31 06:28:38 <jonwil> This whole cell broadcast SMS thing is extremely fun :)
Oct 31 06:29:34 <jonwil> just need to make a shoppping list before I go :)
Oct 31 08:13:33 <ham5> havent kept up with the software, has a call blocker been made to block unidentified calls ? callblocker was being developed I just seen it hasent been updated in a long time ...
Oct 31 08:37:13 <auenf> http://channelnine.ninemsn.com.au/thecelebrityapprentice/
Oct 31 08:37:19 <auenf> so many appearances of n9 in this show
Oct 31 08:48:56 <psycho_oreos> there was supposedly a show which is poewred by nokia (I suppose you could say funded in layman's terms) and telechoice in .au I can't remember the show but it was some music tv show where I think they handed out N9 and another nokia but I can't remember the model
Oct 31 08:50:36 <psycho_oreos> hmm maybe next time I can uploaded a scanned image of the telechoice brochure if you want to see the ads in .au :þ
Oct 31 08:50:44 <psycho_oreos> well in regards to N9 that is anyway
Oct 31 08:51:43 <auenf> i'm sure i've got a telechoice cattledog here somewhere
Oct 31 08:52:16 <psycho_oreos> eh, mine's downstairs in rumpus but I cbf getting it now
Oct 31 09:37:32 <memre> hi there
Oct 31 09:37:41 <memre> i have a problem with scratchbox2
Oct 31 09:45:45 <ErwinJunge> memre: Could you be more specific?
Oct 31 09:45:58 <memre> yes
Oct 31 09:46:15 <memre> i am trying to use sbrsh but couldn't understand the problem
Oct 31 09:47:00 <memre> wait, I will paste the error log
Oct 31 09:47:47 <memre> my sb2-init command: sb2-init -sn -c sbrsh -r 192.168.4.77 -l 192.168.4.217 parm /opt/toolchain/armel/bin/arm-pardus-linux-gnueabi-gcc
Oct 31 09:49:25 <memre> 2011-10-31 11:42:44.453 (WARNING)       bash[24390]     WARNING: Executing binary with bogus working directory (/tmp) because sbrsh can only see /parm/ and /root$
Oct 31 09:49:32 <memre> 2011-10-31 11:42:44.453 (ERROR) bash[24390]     exec(./bin/ls) failed, internal configuration error: LD_LIBRARY_PATH and/or LD_PRELOAD were not set by exec mapping logic
Oct 31 09:49:38 <memre> # exit 126 (126)
Oct 31 09:49:48 <memre> and that is the error.
Oct 31 09:50:31 <memre> I watched the network traffic, there is no transmission between host and by build machine
Oct 31 09:50:54 <memre> sb2 version: 2.1
Oct 31 09:54:28 <memre> any ideas?
Oct 31 10:58:37 <jonwil> wow, my logging worked perfectly
Oct 31 10:58:50 <jonwil> I learned a few things about the Optus network in the process :)
Oct 31 10:59:02 <SpeedEvil> :)
Oct 31 10:59:36 <jonwil> I passed through 54 different cells and picked up 23 unique cell broadcast names
Oct 31 10:59:55 <jonwil> including one cell that was squawking an empty tower name
Oct 31 11:00:49 <jonwil> including at least one tower names that matched a suburb far away from where I was
Oct 31 11:01:29 <jonwil> It told me I was in Claremont when I was nowhere near Claremont at any point during the day :)
Oct 31 11:01:58 * NIN101 just read backlog and is glad to see that the guy succeeded in swapping from EMMC to SD. 
Oct 31 11:02:11 <jonwil> I also found a bunch of towers that seemed to squawk no tower name at all
Oct 31 11:04:38 <jonwil> I must have been the only person on the entire train who was actually GLAD that my phone dropped out when we passed through the somewhat long tunnel :)
Oct 31 11:05:09 <jonwil> I always know that if I ride that train, I am guaranteed to loose service which is perfect for testing :)
Oct 31 11:38:00 <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: yeah, it it was really simple. In the end all my solutions tend to be extremely simple
Oct 31 11:38:32 <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: thanks for pointing at udev rule :-D
Oct 31 11:41:23 <DocScrutinizer> (<dm8tbr> O2 uses GK coordinates) http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html
Oct 31 11:44:05 <dm8tbr> DocScrutinizer: yep, I'm fairly familiar with their stuff :)
Oct 31 11:44:40 <jonwil> I am happy with the information the N900 is giving me for cells :)
Oct 31 11:46:10 <dm8tbr> the fun bit was that you could even IIRC tell the 3 sectors apart as the antenna positions reported for each were slightly moved toward the MT, away from the BTS
Oct 31 11:46:15 <DocScrutinizer> dm8tbr: would you by any chance have a list of actually used CBchannels for German 4 carriers?
Oct 31 11:46:38 <DocScrutinizer> or is that actually as short as: 50, 211
Oct 31 11:46:52 <dm8tbr> durrrrr, haven't used that in ages :(
Oct 31 11:47:12 <dm8tbr> I remember that yearrrrs ago T-mogelpackung had a load of channels listed
Oct 31 11:47:23 <dm8tbr> but as they couldn't bill for CB usage...
Oct 31 11:47:26 <DocScrutinizer> yep, seem to recall same
Oct 31 11:47:53 <DocScrutinizer> traffic message might still be in use
Oct 31 11:48:38 <dm8tbr> last time i seriously looked at this was still last millenium...
Oct 31 11:49:26 <dm8tbr> when messaging someone over ICQ and telling them you were doing 160km/h on the motorway was still a serious WTF moment
Oct 31 11:52:16 <DocScrutinizer> :-D - yeah same here
Oct 31 11:52:51 <dm8tbr> now I feel old :(
Oct 31 11:53:00 <jonwil> My network doesn't send anything except ch50
Oct 31 11:53:12 <DocScrutinizer> playing with GK wasn't much fun when you had to use a laptop to carry it with you to read out the 6210
Oct 31 11:55:31 <NIN101> DocScrutinizer: yw. and it was cool idea :-).  
Oct 31 11:58:07 <DocScrutinizer> (SMSCB) gave me 2 times a WTF moment - first time when I noticed enabling SMSCB doubled the power consumption of the Nokia 6210, and another one when I learnt N900 cmt has SMSCB always enabled
Oct 31 12:29:15 <iluminator101> hi my n900 keeps saying memory inaccessible unable to save, how can i fix this
Oct 31 12:32:22 <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: (OT) are you interested in ALSA/audio a lil bit? Another example of an extremely simple solution that took very long to find and get it right: my libalsahookexec.so - allows to define a ALSA plugin that will execute arbitrary stuff on your standard alsa based sound app opening resp closing the audio device
Oct 31 12:34:49 <DocScrutinizer> e.g. your arbitrary SIP client opening ringtone audio device for playing the ringtone, this plugin can start the vibrator, mute your mp3 player, whatever you want and can do via cmdline
Oct 31 12:35:45 <NIN101> DocScrutinizer: I am not that interested in ALSA and audio. But this sounds pretty useful. 
Oct 31 12:41:09 <NIN101> afk, lunch. 
Oct 31 12:42:09 <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: the best detail in it: if your cmdline will return an error (I.E. like /bin/false) then opening the audio device with libalsaexechook fails for the audio app. And the pcm_open() call blocks until the cmdline cmd actually returns (obviously it has to, otherwise the prev thing depending on return code wouldn't work)
Oct 31 12:49:39 <iluminator101> DocScrutinizer, you are running the titan kernel?
Oct 31 12:50:11 <DocScrutinizer> sort of, on my test device
Oct 31 12:52:07 <RST38bis> Doc: You, overclocking?
Oct 31 12:52:17 <DocScrutinizer> wut? ME??
Oct 31 12:52:49 <DocScrutinizer> you're kidding
Oct 31 12:53:09 <iluminator101> bbl
Oct 31 12:55:00 <RST38bis> Why titan kernel then?
Oct 31 12:55:05 <RST38bis> any other advantages?
Oct 31 13:02:13 <DocScrutinizer> powerkernel, hostmode
Oct 31 13:03:46 <RST38bis> ah
Oct 31 13:04:20 <FIQ|n900> RST38bis, you did the xchat port?
Oct 31 13:04:33 <DocScrutinizer> you're aware that hostmode is implemented in kernel, and h-e-n GUI is just a extremely simple interface to sysfs, are you?
Oct 31 13:11:07 <LaoLang_cool> anyone interested in porting weechat onto n900? www.weechat.org
Oct 31 13:11:49 <RST38bis> FIQ: Yes, what about it?
Oct 31 13:11:58 <RST38bis> Doc: Yeah
Oct 31 13:12:23 <RST38bis> Doc: Was just surprised by you touching the titan stuff, widely dubbed satan's spawn
Oct 31 13:18:29 <DocScrutinizer> power kernel (aka titan's kernel) is poorly supported regarding git integration etc, and lately seen some "patches" that clearly don't match the quality requirements for kernel stuff (poor or broken concept, untested, no review, no concept about upstream policy etc). But basically PK never was satan's spawn, it's what some people do with it that for sure is qualifying for that tag though
Oct 31 13:22:48 <NIN101> DocScrutinizer: cool stuff. It can also make someone rethink the need of pulseaudio for muting other applications... 
Oct 31 13:27:08 <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: :-D that's actually been the purpose of the whole exercise - avoid using evil PA
Oct 31 13:28:32 <crashanddie> NIN101, I think DocScrutinizer is actually recognised by some as the incarnation of Satan himself by a number of Nokians.
Oct 31 13:28:48 <DocScrutinizer> of course I had to back up this simple libalsaexechook by a comprehensive concept on how to handle stuff that usually is making developers pick PA
Oct 31 13:30:41 <DocScrutinizer> unlike PA my ACI (that'S what I called it) concept is based on plain ALSA for audio processing, and dbus and a central arbiter/server for the mixer setup stuff
Oct 31 13:32:00 <NIN101> crashanddie: yeah, possibly :-). 
Oct 31 13:33:00 <DocScrutinizer> ALSA has virtual usecase-centric devices, even per-app devices each with its own volume control, has mixing since the days PA wasn't even existing
Oct 31 13:33:43 <DocScrutinizer> ACI adds to that a comprehensive concept of resource handling/sharing
Oct 31 13:34:14 <RST38bis> Meanwhile: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/31/windows-8-desktop-interface-kills-aero-for-metro-gets-with-the/ (yes, it got even uglier)
Oct 31 13:36:36 <DocScrutinizer> (btw you can pick whatever you want for meaning of ACI: ALSA/Audio_concept_improved, Advanced/audio_control_interface...)
Oct 31 13:54:59 <kerio> hm, is there a dbus script to check the current traffic monitor stats?
Oct 31 13:55:56 <SpeedEvil> netstory
Oct 31 13:56:11 <kerio> what's that?
Oct 31 13:56:21 <kerio> i'm in a situation where i can't really download more software
Oct 31 13:56:26 <SpeedEvil> it's a graph thingy
Oct 31 13:56:35 <kerio> i'm 1) with a veeeeeeeeeery limited data cap, 2) on PR1.2
Oct 31 13:57:14 <flux> maybe you could download through pc?
Oct 31 13:57:31 <flux> apt-get install at least works with usbnet
Oct 31 13:57:37 <kerio> no, i wanted something so i can monitor the data i'm using right now *on the pc*
Oct 31 13:57:54 <kerio> don't you think i would use the real connection if i had one?
Oct 31 13:58:12 <flux> well I was thinking you wanted to monitor the 3G data consumption of your phone?
Oct 31 13:58:16 <kerio> yeah
Oct 31 13:58:17 <SpeedEvil> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/netstory/0.1.4-1/
Oct 31 13:58:21 <SpeedEvil> netstory is 10k
Oct 31 13:58:24 <flux> and that's the only connection you have?
Oct 31 13:58:24 <SpeedEvil> works well
Oct 31 13:58:26 <kerio> because i'm using it through mobilehotspot
Oct 31 13:58:33 <SpeedEvil> for PC transfer too
Oct 31 13:58:35 <SpeedEvil> Also.
Oct 31 13:58:44 <kerio> flux: why else would i care? when i'm actively using the phone i can just check the widget on the screen
Oct 31 13:58:59 <kerio> i just wanted something i can call through ssh so i don't have to walk to the phone that's near the window
Oct 31 13:59:14 <flux> kerio, my point was that perhaps you can try out new software on the phone without wasting your data quota
Oct 31 13:59:21 <flux> of course, it wouldn't be the final solution
Oct 31 14:00:54 <joga> damn...ran out of battery on n900, I've been wondering if it's a specified behavior to *not* turn on after you've plugged it in an wall socket to charge and let it be there for a few mins before even trying to boot it up
Oct 31 14:01:17 <kerio> joga: if the battery is *really* out of juice, it'll go into emergency charging
Oct 31 14:01:32 <kerio> which is designed to charge really slowly to bring the battery to a state where you can boot in the real charging mode
Oct 31 14:01:36 <joga> I press power, it lights up the led in rising white, then show's a dim or not-dim nokia logo, then just sleeps back
Oct 31 14:01:39 <kerio> because the n900's charging sucks balls :<
Oct 31 14:01:48 <kerio> oh, the real charging mode
Oct 31 14:01:53 <kerio> yeah, it's designed to be like that
Oct 31 14:01:56 <joga> ok so even though it has abundant energy available, it simply does not do that because x?
Oct 31 14:02:00 <joga> ok :)
Oct 31 14:02:21 <joga> (that's not news really, but right now I'm waiting for a call in half an hour that I can't miss)
Oct 31 14:02:43 <flux> maybe it's not a good idea to write to flash when you are not guaranteed to have energy
Oct 31 14:03:07 <flux> which it would inevitable do if it were booted to the OS
Oct 31 14:04:03 <SpeedEvil> If it's going off again - it's booted to linux.
Oct 31 14:04:22 <SpeedEvil> It's just in low-power mode, until the battery rises over threshold.
Oct 31 14:04:26 <SpeedEvil> Leave it a few more min.
Oct 31 14:05:05 <kerio> joga: the n900 isn't really a phone for phone calls
Oct 31 14:05:53 <joga> SpeedEvil yeh, no prob. I just get the feeling many users might find this a reason to throw it out the window
Oct 31 14:06:22 <kerio> joga: indeed
Oct 31 14:06:27 <kerio> it's not a phone for many users :)
Oct 31 14:06:34 <joga> every other nokia phone I've had has the semantics like "if the charger is plugged in -> you can use it)
Oct 31 14:06:39 <joga> s/)/"/
Oct 31 14:06:41 <infobot> joga meant: every other nokia phone I've had has the semantics like "if the charger is plugged in -> you can use it"
Oct 31 14:06:44 <kerio> joga: well, you still can
Oct 31 14:07:04 <kerio> you just have to wait a bit :)
Oct 31 14:07:19 <kerio> and not really, if you drain the battery a lot you get nothing, in most phones
Oct 31 14:07:24 <kerio> even old-school nokia phones
Oct 31 14:07:30 <joga> never had a problem with that, myself
Oct 31 14:07:36 <joga> plug it in, it'll work, always 
Oct 31 14:07:42 <kerio> but even the fastcharger doesn't provide enough juice to actually run everything at max
Oct 31 14:08:01 <joga> at least can't remember any exception besides n900 but my memory is probably not 100% accurate ;)
Oct 31 14:08:08 <kerio> the fastcharger provides 1.1A, the cellmo requires peaks of 2A iirc
Oct 31 14:08:48 <kerio> i had to stop using a crappy second battery i had because the phone part just died after a bit
Oct 31 14:09:00 <kerio> for lack of current
Oct 31 14:09:58 <freemangordon> ~seen pali
Oct 31 14:10:06 <infobot> pali <~quassel@rohar.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 31d 1h 55m 35s ago, saying: 'if we update/create new wrapper for that it is possible'.
Oct 31 14:17:17 <joga> kerio, still it's highly irritating that I get the animated circles before the lock code prompt and then it just shuts down :)
Oct 31 14:17:25 <joga> "emergency" my ass
Oct 31 14:17:26 <joga> ;)
Oct 31 14:18:34 <joga> but I can live with that, it's just that the behavior is somewhat different than you'd expect if you think like "if I give it a charger it'll work"
Oct 31 14:19:32 <joga> the last time I had that I think I just pulled it off the charger, booted it up and then continued charging, but I might've just been lucky
Oct 31 14:20:55 <joga> lol, did that now too, worked fine, now it booted up
Oct 31 14:21:20 <joga> either I'm really good with timing or it just refuses to boot up even if it can
Oct 31 14:23:07 <kerio> idk, i haven't charged it through the usb for more than a year now
Oct 31 14:23:20 <joga> I'm charging it straight from wall scoket
Oct 31 14:23:21 <joga> *socket
Oct 31 14:23:42 <joga> shouldn't be a problem with getting current
Oct 31 14:23:56 <kerio> joga: i doubt it - there's probably a transformer between your n900 and the wall socket :)
Oct 31 14:24:09 <joga> (not that I've actually checked what the ratings say on it)
Oct 31 14:24:20 <kerio> joga: are you using the official nokia one?
Oct 31 14:24:25 <joga> kerio, heh well, yeah I'll grant you that ;)
Oct 31 14:24:32 <joga> the official one, shipped with the phone
Oct 31 14:24:35 <kerio> or at least something that actually follows the usb charger protocol?
Oct 31 14:28:09 <joga> well, it's nokia branded and works better than usb charging, that's for sure, but I just checked very quickly and it didn't seem to have any ratings mentioned 
Oct 31 14:28:59 <joga> but I just kinda took it off the socket for a couple of seconds and looked around it and saw nothing relevant, but some of the text wasn't very easily readable so I just might've missed ti
Oct 31 14:29:04 <joga> *it
Oct 31 14:30:18 <kerio> what the fuck
Oct 31 14:30:26 <kerio> my n900 doesn't turn its screen on anymore
Oct 31 14:30:41 <kerio> it's like... dead
Oct 31 14:30:47 <kerio> except i'm still connected through it to the internet
Oct 31 14:31:02 <kerio> how can i forcibly turn the screen on?
Oct 31 14:31:10 <joga> hmm...
Oct 31 14:31:15 <joga> tried power button press?
Oct 31 14:31:22 <kerio> i don't want to turn it off!
Oct 31 14:31:25 <kerio> i'd lose my internets!
Oct 31 14:31:32 <joga> just click it, not hold
Oct 31 14:31:46 <kerio> yeah, doesn't work
Oct 31 14:31:47 <kerio> :|
Oct 31 14:31:52 <kerio> it's like it's suffering from autism
Oct 31 14:32:03 <joga> sometimes with problematic software (full screen console emulators or such), I've found the power button to be the only solution besides ssh
Oct 31 14:32:22 <joga> keyboard slide? guess you tried that already..
Oct 31 14:32:34 <kerio> yeah, it's still not answering :|
Oct 31 14:32:53 <kerio> wtf is sgx_misr?
Oct 31 14:33:45 <joga> My device sometimes locks up on heavy graphics use
Oct 31 14:33:45 <joga> There's a small driver issue with sgx_misr, in that when you have too many programs (or just one or two) updating the screen too often it can get stuck in a resource staved state and lock up. This happens mainly with very resource intense programs (like GPS/nav or high frame-rate games). There's a script that can monitor it in the background and reset the device if it starts to lock up.
Oct 31 14:33:51 <joga> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52595
Oct 31 14:34:06 <kerio> but i don't want to reset my n900 ;_;
Oct 31 14:34:25 <joga> maybe the script linked in the thread has some commands you might try (didn't check)
Oct 31 14:35:24 <kerio> meh, i'll just reboot
Oct 31 14:49:54 <kerio> alright, i'm back
Oct 31 14:50:00 <kerio> had to switch batteries too :<
Oct 31 15:39:55 <vdv_> hi all
Oct 31 15:40:16 <vdv_> is it possible to install and use maemo sdk on slackware?
Oct 31 15:40:36 <vdv_> or it's only for debian based distros?
Oct 31 15:51:28 <kerio> lol, my battery ran out *again*
Oct 31 15:55:21 <kerio> i don't even
Oct 31 15:55:40 <kerio> my ripoff battery discharged faster than the charger could charge the original one
Oct 31 17:11:23 * luke-jr_ glares at slonopotamus
Oct 31 17:32:54 <Michelle__> I borrwed my brother
Oct 31 17:34:40 <Michelle__> I borrowed my brother's Nokia N900. When I plug in the USB, it asks me if i want to format the drive instead of just reading the contents. How do i fix this? If I choose to format the drive, won't it destroy the phone?
Oct 31 17:37:44 <nid0> 1) no 2) close the popup without formatting it
Oct 31 17:57:01 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, ping
Oct 31 18:05:00 <luke-jr> Michelle__: it won't destroy the N900 (which is a computer, not a phone), but it WILL erase personal files
Oct 31 18:20:17 <Michelle__> luke-jr: Thanks. Worked fine.
Oct 31 18:24:35 <BluesLee> someone with an e7 here?
Oct 31 20:48:08 <mr_jrt> Old one again. My intermittent debugging issues with Qt Creator have resurfaced. It just randomly seems to time out loading libraries. I get a successful run maybe every 30+ or so attempts. Maybe. Any one else have/had this issue?
Oct 31 21:22:47 <x29a> mr_jrt: what exactly are you doing?
Oct 31 21:28:12 <mr_jrt> Qt Creator project, remote debugging on the N900 over USB.
Oct 31 21:28:35 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ping
Oct 31 21:28:47 <X-Fade> Jaffa: pong
Oct 31 21:29:32 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Was complaining at achipa about how it doesn't seem possible to write a new Qt app for Fremantle and he's pointed out that libqtm-12 isn't supposed to be in Extras (or something)
Oct 31 21:30:12 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Hmmm
Oct 31 21:30:47 <Jaffa> X-Fade: http://twitter.com/#!/achipa/status/131117693574193153
Oct 31 21:31:21 <x29a> mr_jrt: im doing the same but over wifi, but shouldnt matter, whats the problem?
Oct 31 21:31:59 <x29a> i rarely get a UTFS timeout
Oct 31 21:33:45 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I guess it needs to be removed from Extras then.
Oct 31 21:35:50 <Jaffa> X-Fade: He also mentioned something about dependent packages being promoted.
Oct 31 21:36:02 <mr_jrt> x29a: Just seems to...stop. I have a breakpoint set on the first line that always hits...but beyond there all bets are off.
Oct 31 21:36:08 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I'm sure there is a bug there.
Oct 31 21:36:17 <Jaffa> X-Fade: I've poked him
Oct 31 21:36:50 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I guess we should assume that once you got something into testing, you can expect it to show up in extras at some point.
Oct 31 21:37:11 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I don't remember anymore why he wanted it in testing, but not extras :)
Oct 31 21:37:16 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Seems reasonable to me.
Oct 31 21:37:33 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Having got something rejected from Nokia Store QA, I flashed my N900 with stock PR1.3. Qt's a mess.
Oct 31 21:37:45 <mr_jrt> x29a: TBH, it's driven me to give up on the debugger and just trace everything manually....but I have a segfault somewhere and I could do with some stepping to nail it.
Oct 31 21:37:46 <Jaffa> X-Fade: libqtm-11 won't install; libqtm-12 will install but segfaults.
Oct 31 21:37:56 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Ouch.
Oct 31 21:40:44 <x29a> Jaffa: what device are you on? n900?
Oct 31 21:42:11 <x29a> i used the qtm 1.2.1 from git (compiled with maemo 5 sdk) and it works much better than 1.1 (too little features) or 1.2 (too instable). some discussion on new "official" builds can be found here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68123&page=7
Oct 31 21:42:36 <x29a> mr_jrt: weird, works fine for me, are you on the newester qt creator/qt sdk tools?
Oct 31 21:46:11 <mr_jrt> x29a: yep 2.3.1? - phew...I just managed to get to my segfault :)
Oct 31 21:50:18 <achipa> good evening everyone
Oct 31 21:50:46 <Jaffa> achipa: 'lo :)
Oct 31 21:51:15 <achipa> sooo, we go medieval on the apps depending on libqtm-1* in extras ?
Oct 31 21:51:36 <x29a> hi achipa =)
Oct 31 21:51:46 <x29a> mr_jrt: "Built on Sep 21 2011 at 11:16:49" i assume. good for you
Oct 31 21:52:10 <Jaffa> achipa: If you point to a good example, I'll see if it works on fresh clean stock PR1.3
Oct 31 21:52:37 <achipa> at this point I guess nothing works
Oct 31 21:52:52 <achipa> the question is should I try to salvage some of those apps or not
Oct 31 21:53:40 <mr_jrt> x29a: Sep 21 2011 at 10:51:01 :)
Oct 31 21:54:20 <x29a> achipa: did you get your sdk back up and running?
Oct 31 21:54:25 <achipa> and the other, should I do it the right way and ditch all the fancy packaging and build one giant qtm package, as that's the only one that can work even semi-decently with the app-manager
Oct 31 21:54:30 <x29a> mr_jrt: but you didnt find the problem for debugging yet, right?
Oct 31 21:54:40 <achipa> x29a: no, but here's the perfect motivation, right ? :)
Oct 31 21:55:00 <Jaffa> achipa: Right. qmltube is in Extras. Let's see if it works.
Oct 31 21:55:06 <Jaffa> Hmm, lots of red on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/qmltube/1.1.1/
Oct 31 21:55:30 <x29a> achipa: rrriiiiight!
Oct 31 21:55:45 <achipa> Jaffa:  I guess that's some bork on the frontend side
Oct 31 21:56:01 <achipa> I'm pretty sure Qt *is* there :)
Oct 31 21:56:39 <Jaffa> achipa: One mega package would seem easier, especially since QML doesn't get the auto shdepends
Oct 31 21:56:58 <achipa> yes, and that can be incremental
Oct 31 21:57:10 <achipa> so no cross-dependency issue
Oct 31 21:57:32 <achipa> (i.e. what is app want modules A and B with 1.1.2 and another wants A and C with 1.1.3)
Oct 31 21:57:46 <Jaffa> My wireless is FUBAR
Oct 31 21:57:55 <achipa> (which is coincidentally also why I rant about the unfeasibility of self-maintained repos)
Oct 31 21:58:26 <achipa> hey, I have 4 computers at hand, none of which can actually compile anything
Oct 31 22:00:55 <achipa> so, apparently mbarcode-plugin-qrcode triggered the avalanche...
Oct 31 22:03:46 <achipa> Jaffa: sadly, I don't know what to do with existing installs. Even if I roll to a megapackage, people would not be able to switch to it without a reinstall
Oct 31 22:11:06 <Jaffa> achipa: How many depend on libqtm-12* in Extras?
Oct 31 22:12:19 <achipa> not many (sadly ? luckily?) as promotions have been super slow lately
Oct 31 22:12:30 <achipa> qmltube and mbarcode are the obvious ones
Oct 31 22:15:11 <achipa> Jaffa: don't see any others...
Oct 31 22:17:43 <achipa> Jaffa: but that's not really sure... I can't see any libqtm-11 dependencies and I'm pretty sure there is an app or two who uses it...
Oct 31 22:18:02 <achipa> wish I had a proper scratchbox install not just this web frontend
Oct 31 22:18:24 * Jaffa has bought a new wireless AP to try and solve his connectivity issues in his house. <sigh />
Oct 31 22:20:02 <jabis> Jaffa: my house is like a 3G black hole - go to the bathroom and no signal, come to the kitchen -> full bars
Oct 31 22:21:38 <jabis> actually an understatement - there just plain and simple is no signal for anything in my bathroom - I suppose it's an omen -.-
Oct 31 22:24:56 <achipa> Jaffa: wireless doesn't solve your problems... it just makes them invisible
Oct 31 22:25:55 <achipa> anyway, too tired to try and convince myself to bring at least one machine into a scratchbox-capable state... will have to wait till tomorrow
Oct 31 22:58:01 <mr_jrt> x29a: Poking around in the vars view suggests it's that old favourite - not rebuilding/linking properly when you change class members :/ ...and a full rebuild confirms it. Grrr.
Oct 31 22:59:54 <x29a> arr
Oct 31 23:00:14 <x29a> what method do you use? subdir template?
Oct 31 23:12:44 * timeless found someone w/ an N9
Oct 31 23:15:10 <x29a> dito
Oct 31 23:15:17 <x29a> its a pretty slick phone
Oct 31 23:15:25 <x29a> though id want an n950
Oct 31 23:38:41 <jonwil> bah, I could have sworn information/code about tablet-browser-daemon or browser-neteal or something was out there but now I cant find it
Oct 31 23:39:45 <drifter> nope
Oct 31 23:39:51 <x29a> chuck testa
Oct 31 23:39:58 <drifter> ...nowhere
Oct 31 23:41:34 <jonwil> why do you say that? :P
Oct 31 23:48:29 <drifter> for the lulz
Oct 31 23:48:49 <drifter> :P
Nov 01 01:01:17 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, there?
Nov 01 01:47:54 <cdahmedeh> hello! is it possible to use google voice for outbound calls to landline on the n900?
Nov 01 01:53:33 * jonwil is bored
Nov 01 01:53:43 * jonwil is looking for something worth reverse engineering
Nov 01 02:20:54 <HyperSnyper> jonwil > "	btw I bet, though Nokia didn't care to keep the UI working, all the NetMonitor functions are *still* burried in BB5 FW"
Nov 01 02:21:34 <HyperSnyper> Doc was talking about that couple days ago, is that something you could look into ;P
Nov 01 02:29:35 <jonwil> Messing with low level stuff like the baseband or bootloader is not something I have the wish to do
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